You should make a follow-up video with the Taiga Keyboard that's just announced today! I personally from the options would probably buy the PWM Malevolent. I have a Voyager so I got the Moog sound covered. Also keep in mind Sweetwater prices do not include any kind of taxes and I understand UK prices do include VAT.
Hi Gustavo - Yes, it was announced the day after the video went out 😢 Someone also mentioned the MiniBrute ii although that definitely wouldn't have altered my opinion 😊 Prices were a comparison. Some folks in some parts of the US don't pay any or very little tax depending on where they buy from. according to a friend over there 😲
Korg ms20 go up in price when korg stops making them any time again. The mini is like my dad said: you have two kinds of cheap. Cheap that breaks down, and cheap that keeps working. I had 3 recent moogs with issues and you can read about issues with grandmothers online. I wish i got a green ms20 FS when they were about 1k…
I like cheap that keeps working 😊 I think any piece of gear can break down, especially ones with complex electronics. Moogs are no exception but sorry to hear you had so many problems with yours 😢
i have a white ms20 mini , the build isnt like a PREMIUM synth, but the SOUND! this thing has quickly become my fav synth. I have other polys like the rev 2 ubxa juno 106 miniloguexd minifreak blofeld ... and i always resort to the ms20. with that said i just bought a dark version grandmother today ... hope i dont regret it!
I remember “Never Mind the Quality . . . Feel the Width” - about a tailors in London, funny show: ‘Everybody Out!” I’ve had a Grandmother since it came it, it still has a great deal of value to me: it’s meant to be played like Rick Wakeman playing the keys, not Aphex Twin twiddling the knobs. I love the colours, it sets it apart from the black’n’silver brigade. The patch points and MIDI make the unit an excellent conversion machine, connecting MIDI devices like the Octatrack or my DAW with my Eurorack modular gear. The keyboard is excellent, as is the build: it’s a properly heavy synth. Quality is an important to me, I believe it will last longer than, say, a Kong MS20. It uses a classic subtractive synth model so it is easy to interpret and patch them components: there are no menus, just a few features buried deep in the MIDI implementation. An important factor - Moog have changed owners since I bought my Grandmother. I don’t even know if they are still making them but before long they will be looking to release other products. I do wish I’d gone for the Matriarch with all the additional features (I wish I’d had enough to buy a EMS VCS3 to be honest) but I won’t get rid of the Grandmother, it’s limited but it’s too useful and it sounds great.
I'm glad that comment wasn't totally wasted 😊 Yes, it's a bit special, for all the reasons you mention. 👍 We're all waiting to see what's next from Moog
My ambient music setup centers around an analog island consisting of a Korg ARP 2600M and a Korg Minilogue XD, both connected to a Novation SL MK3. While the Minilogue XD isn't purely analog (only two of its three oscillators are analog), it's a crucial part of my setup. I've been contemplating which analog synthesizer to add next, and I've narrowed it down to either the Moog Matriarch or the Moog Grandmother. After careful consideration, I'm leaning toward the Matriarch. Here's why: Although the Grandmother is an excellent synthesizer, its monophonic capabilities would largely overlap with what my ARP 2600M already offers. The Matriarch, on the other hand, would significantly expand my sonic palette by providing: Additional voices for chord work and evolving pads More comprehensive modulation options Stereo sound design capabilities Enhanced ambient music possibilities When specifically considering ambient music production, the Matriarch's ability to generate complex, evolving stereo textures would be more valuable than the Grandmother's simpler architecture and built-in spring reverb.
Hi Richard - Good setup. Yes, the Matriarch is definately the one to go for. Wen I bought my Grandmother it was about 2x the price of the Grandmother, now it's about 1.6 times which is far better value 👍
Excellent points Ian. I miss my Grandmother and would love to have it again but if I'm putting in that much money I'd rather add a little more and get something with a few more features. Thanks for the great video! :)
You are fortunate to own the ‘dark’ version. They are less easy to get hold of and as you note, seem to command a higher price than the garish and unsettling standard version. Similar situation with the Matriarch
I went for a GM because I wanted to get back to having knobs and stuff, I used to have a Prodigy back in the 80's and wanted to get back to hands on control. I reckon I would still get one today, and its not over complicated.
Hey Ian. Great review of objectively knob-y features vs price. However, sonic features of GM, Matriach, and other synths although arguably subjective, are at least 50% of the reason to buy one synth over another. I've had my GM for almost 5 years and it was a love-hate relationship until I added three off-board hardware effects: reverb, delay, and audio preamp. Now i have a synth that delivers the punch and other-worldliness i hoped for with GM out of the box. I completely agree that GM is a fickle machine but certainly through perseverance and a few off board effects, it is now quite wonderful to play. Full disclosure: my GM made two return trips for in-warranty repair. I purchased the extended warranty.
Hey Ernest - Sorry to hear you've had probs. In spite of the hand-made/made in the USA claims, I don't think Moog is any more reliable than any other synth I like the GM as it is but I have also run it through a few effect which , to be fair, would enhance any synth 😊 but I really like the one knob per function aspect 👍
I am a Korg fan & have always been inspired by the MS20, but never tried one hands-on & I will take your comments onboard the next time I delve into PMT.
The Korg MS20 re-issue was a kit (and very expensive!), but I did indulge, having had an original in the early 80’s. They released a flat MS20M kit, which I got too, minus the keyboard, flat and the ability to use Volt per Octave. I love Korg gear, but the prices drive me mad.
Hi, thanks for this video! Can i ask you please an opinion? I have a Sequential Take 5 and a Behringer Model D, so a poly and a mono (and a TD 3 but use it very little); can be worth to upgrade my setup taking a grandmother? My idea was: for bass/leads Grandmother and Model D (1 for bass and 1 for leads) and Take 5 for Strings,pads, etc. I really love pastel colored version and the name and that sound but in italy costs around 1.300 euros now and from my beginner point of view the sound of my model D seems very similar. What do you think? Thanks for you help!:)
Hi Francesco - When you're just building a studio or starting out it's a good idea to get synths that complement each other and don't duplicate sounds that the other synths can do. Although the Model D and Grandmother are different they also have a lot of overlap. There's also the Behringer Model 15 which is based on the Grandmother and which wouldn't break the bank😊
I had both MS10 and MS20 at some point, ended up selling the 20 as I found the 10 to sound better.... was that only my units?? I would assume that the sound generating circuitry would be the same, only scaled down in the MS 10?
I think the Minibrute 2 should also be considered. Its very feature rich. It has more features than Grandmother. That being said it didn't click the same way my grandmother did. I got the 2s version and it was a great start before i dove into eurorack and is still very useful with my modular.
I had been tossing back n forth between the grandmother and the matriarch. So I seriously look at the grandmother on video to see how high the ceiling is as far as sound goes. I already have a micromoog. It seems the grandmother is an updated version of the micromoog with reverb and modern design and patch/sync features. Then I just watched you here. The money will strapped me in/down, but I. have to go with matriarch. Not all that happy as far as the price goes. But I'll buy it once, take care of the bloody thing. It's my last synth that I ever buy. I always wanted a mini moog. Just too much money now, and there's an abundance of synths out there now. I always wanted the alesis A6. I cant trust the hardware cause of the age. Again, also the price. I might as well buy the software version. I bought the moog soundset in hopes one day, getting the matriarch to satisfy my lust for moog gear. All because I just couldn't afford the mini moog when I was younger. Well the matriarch, dfam, mother 32, and subharmonicon should do it for the money Love watching ya speak on this. It was confirmation for me.👍 I'll keep an eye on ya, cause you know synths. Actually I almost pull the trigger on the behringer poly d when I randomly across your video on it. Paraphonic. ...I said, "Oh no way. 🫡thanks again.
Thank you for your kind comments 😊 I think the Matriarch is a great synth (although over-priced) but it is sort of paraphonic, too. Hope you enjoy it 👍
@IanWaugh You're welcome 👍. I'm not happy at all of the price, and no way will I buy a used 1. I'm aware of the machine being able to go paraphonic. Unlike the behringer. They had me sold until I saw your video. They must had a hush hush agreement with moog cause they the Behringer company don't advertise that part, but rather spell poly on their machine tho. False advertising . Just my opinion. Thanks again.👍
Tax varies in the USA depending on where you live and where you buy from. I've looked at prices of various synths on Sweetwater and compared them to UK prices and you cansee that some use a £=$ conversion while others do take into account the conversion rate.
Hi Ian!! I didn't vibe with it just based on the name... 😆I've never actually even heard it. You are very smart to get the black version! The multi-colored one makes me want to BARF. 🤮 (Plus all this modular stuff is Chinese to me...) I would LOVE a sub 37 though... Great video!!!
Hi - thank you 😊 Yeah, you might think synths would have more techy names, named after stars or constellations or quantum particles 😄 But it sounds great and patching isn't too difficult. The Sub 37 is great! Fancied one of these but too similar to the Grandmother, I think.
What bothers me about the Korg MS20 mini is that they opted to keep the original shape instead of a flat design. Yeah, the original design is a classic, but if I am going to buy a compact synth, I want to be able to fit it in a backpack with my laptop. And what's the point of a mini version if it is not compact?
@ 999USD or in Canada recently 1399 CAD now with Covid inflation @ 1499CAD the pastel grandmother is Still a Excellent value for an authentic Moog with CLASSiC Moog tone + modular capability & Spring verb... I bout it instantly! remember Moog's Selling the Minimoog for 4999 USD! However at 999 UK pounds for England ect. which is = 1250USD or 1725CAD I agree its a bit Steep for you lot.
@@IanWaugh yes of course ;) but if you want a 'Real Moog' mono the grandmother is its closest available Sibling & ultra cheep by comparison. and even against the Behringer model d clone I definitely like the grandmothers powerful Moog Sound more.
Moog Grandmother is an entry level synth. I got bored of mine and sold it within a couple of months. If Korg were to make a MS20 ‘plus’ with sprung mod wheel and some extra features like an arp it would be the ideal monosynth
Hi Greg - yes, I can see how you might see it that way - it does seem basic but you can do a lot more with it when you gett into patching. but I'm not sure it's any more powerful than the GM although they do sound different. Depends what you want.Interesting that you mention the MS-20n as I always wanted one 😊 Did you get a replacement?
@@IanWaugh i got the full size reissue of the ms-20. I prefer it to the grandmother. I even bought a matriarch but it was too heavy to gig so I sold it too after a couple of months. The search for the ideal synth continues!
My first synth, in 1978, was a Korg MS10 ... and I felt like in heaven. Later on synths came and were sold again. In 2020 I bought a Grandmother for € 889 (the colourful edition). Great fun and a great synth and Moog sound. Then I got an offer for a used Matriarch (nearly new) for € 1.700. And yes ... the Matriarch was placed on my desk. Although the Grandmother was pretty easy to handle, I sold the Grandmother. And the Matriarch is still there (and will be there, as it is a fantastic instrument).
The Malevolent was TERRIBLE, the build was like soup and it made the Korg mini look like a tank! Found it very limited tonally and it lasted just 2 weeks with me
@@IanWaugh Aye, you're right...I had the FS of the MS20 and it was a TANK, loved that thing. I'm jinxed though...just returning mty Grandmother as it's got loads of defects :( P.S. great vid, made your opinion piece useful and relevant to everyone, thank you
Moog went out of business in the 80's. Bob died in 2005. I have absolutely no interest in the modern Moog company or their products. When I saw that they were capitalizing on the transgender craze in order to advertise their products, I became thoroughly disgusted with them. Moog needs to disappear.
@@final_mile_music9713 Stop defending those people. If it was none of my business then they would keep those activities in their own bedroom instead of parading it around everywhere.
Horrible synth... looks like a toy, sounds harsh... and that stupid name: in a world where we have the Andromeda, the Jupiter, the Prophet, the Iridium... this one is the _Grandmother._
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You should make a follow-up video with the Taiga Keyboard that's just announced today!
I personally from the options would probably buy the PWM Malevolent. I have a Voyager so I got the Moog sound covered.
Also keep in mind Sweetwater prices do not include any kind of taxes and I understand UK prices do include VAT.
Hi Gustavo - Yes, it was announced the day after the video went out 😢 Someone also mentioned the MiniBrute ii although that definitely wouldn't have altered my opinion 😊
Prices were a comparison. Some folks in some parts of the US don't pay any or very little tax depending on where they buy from. according to a friend over there 😲
Seriously considering buying a second grandmother.
What a powerful sound that I've never heard come out of another synthesizer.
Go for it 👍
when I tried a GM in the shop 3 to 4 years ago there was no way I was leaving without one, it was about £780.00 I think.
@@DisciplinedCommotion Yes, that would be about right 👍 You make great use of yours
behringer has cloned the gm
Korg ms20 go up in price when korg stops making them any time again. The mini is like my dad said: you have two kinds of cheap. Cheap that breaks down, and cheap that keeps working. I had 3 recent moogs with issues and you can read about issues with grandmothers online. I wish i got a green ms20 FS when they were about 1k…
I like cheap that keeps working 😊 I think any piece of gear can break down, especially ones with complex electronics. Moogs are no exception but sorry to hear you had so many problems with yours 😢
i have a white ms20 mini , the build isnt like a PREMIUM synth, but the SOUND! this thing has quickly become my fav synth. I have other polys like the rev 2 ubxa juno 106 miniloguexd minifreak blofeld ... and i always resort to the ms20. with that said i just bought a dark version grandmother today ... hope i dont regret it!
@@Pieces_Of_History2 Hi Robert - be interesting to hear how you think the MS and GN compare.
@@IanWaugh i should be recieving it anytime this week! i will sure let you know after ive played around with it!
@@Pieces_Of_History2 👍
I remember “Never Mind the Quality . . . Feel the Width” - about a tailors in London, funny show: ‘Everybody Out!”
I’ve had a Grandmother since it came it, it still has a great deal of value to me: it’s meant to be played like Rick Wakeman playing the keys, not Aphex Twin twiddling the knobs. I love the colours, it sets it apart from the black’n’silver brigade. The patch points and MIDI make the unit an excellent conversion machine, connecting MIDI devices like the Octatrack or my DAW with my Eurorack modular gear. The keyboard is excellent, as is the build: it’s a properly heavy synth. Quality is an important to me, I believe it will last longer than, say, a Kong MS20. It uses a classic subtractive synth model so it is easy to interpret and patch them components: there are no menus, just a few features buried deep in the MIDI implementation.
An important factor - Moog have changed owners since I bought my Grandmother. I don’t even know if they are still making them but before long they will be looking to release other products.
I do wish I’d gone for the Matriarch with all the additional features (I wish I’d had enough to buy a EMS VCS3 to be honest) but I won’t get rid of the Grandmother, it’s limited but it’s too useful and it sounds great.
I'm glad that comment wasn't totally wasted 😊 Yes, it's a bit special, for all the reasons you mention. 👍
We're all waiting to see what's next from Moog
My ambient music setup centers around an analog island consisting of a Korg ARP 2600M and a Korg Minilogue XD, both connected to a Novation SL MK3. While the Minilogue XD isn't purely analog (only two of its three oscillators are analog), it's a crucial part of my setup.
I've been contemplating which analog synthesizer to add next, and I've narrowed it down to either the Moog Matriarch or the Moog Grandmother. After careful consideration, I'm leaning toward the Matriarch. Here's why: Although the Grandmother is an excellent synthesizer, its monophonic capabilities would largely overlap with what my ARP 2600M already offers. The Matriarch, on the other hand, would significantly expand my sonic palette by providing:
Additional voices for chord work and evolving pads
More comprehensive modulation options
Stereo sound design capabilities
Enhanced ambient music possibilities
When specifically considering ambient music production, the Matriarch's ability to generate complex, evolving stereo textures would be more valuable than the Grandmother's simpler architecture and built-in spring reverb.
Hi Richard - Good setup. Yes, the Matriarch is definately the one to go for. Wen I bought my Grandmother it was about 2x the price of the Grandmother, now it's about 1.6 times which is far better value 👍
The PWM Malevolent has been the object of my desires for a long time.
It just sounds so knarly and deep.
Yes, it certainly sounds that way on the demos 👍
Excellent points Ian. I miss my Grandmother and would love to have it again but if I'm putting in that much money I'd rather add a little more and get something with a few more features. Thanks for the great video! :)
It's cheaper over there than it is over here 😊.But price-wise we're heading into poly synth territory
The deepmind12 is like 200-300 cheaper, moog need to lower the price of it by a couple hundo FR.
You are fortunate to own the ‘dark’ version. They are less easy to get hold of and as you note, seem to command a higher price than the garish and unsettling standard version. Similar situation with the Matriarch
Yes, why Moog discontinued the Dark is a mystery (ua-cam.com/video/_0Ojd1Db0eo/v-deo.html) but I did pay over the odds for mine 😊
I went for a GM because I wanted to get back to having knobs and stuff, I used to have a Prodigy back in the 80's and wanted to get back to hands on control. I reckon I would still get one today, and its not over complicated.
Absolutely! The main reason, I think, for using hardware is the hands-on twiddling 👍
Ian, yep, see grab n twist :)
@@DisciplinedCommotion 😄 👍
Hey Ian. Great review of objectively knob-y features vs price. However, sonic features of GM, Matriach, and other synths although arguably subjective, are at least 50% of the reason to buy one synth over another. I've had my GM for almost 5 years and it was a love-hate relationship until I added three off-board hardware effects: reverb, delay, and audio preamp. Now i have a synth that delivers the punch and other-worldliness i hoped for with GM out of the box. I completely agree that GM is a fickle machine but certainly through perseverance and a few off board effects, it is now quite wonderful to play. Full disclosure: my GM made two return trips for in-warranty repair. I purchased the extended warranty.
Hey Ernest - Sorry to hear you've had probs. In spite of the hand-made/made in the USA claims, I don't think Moog is any more reliable than any other synth
I like the GM as it is but I have also run it through a few effect which , to be fair, would enhance any synth 😊 but I really like the one knob per function aspect 👍
I am a Korg fan & have always been inspired by the MS20, but never tried one hands-on & I will take your comments onboard the next time I delve into PMT.
They probably still have the Mini. If you try one, let me know what you think.
The Korg MS20 re-issue was a kit (and very expensive!), but I did indulge, having had an original in the early 80’s. They released a flat MS20M kit, which I got too, minus the keyboard, flat and the ability to use Volt per Octave. I love Korg gear, but the prices drive me mad.
Hey Paul - I missed those earlier kits. heard about the Hz/Volt switch. What idiot decided NOTT to put that on the FS? 😲
Hi, thanks for this video! Can i ask you please an opinion? I have a Sequential Take 5 and a Behringer Model D, so a poly and a mono (and a TD 3 but use it very little); can be worth to upgrade my setup taking a grandmother? My idea was: for bass/leads Grandmother and Model D (1 for bass and 1 for leads) and Take 5 for Strings,pads, etc. I really love pastel colored version and the name and that sound but in italy costs around 1.300 euros now and from my beginner point of view the sound of my model D seems very similar. What do you think? Thanks for you help!:)
Hi Francesco - When you're just building a studio or starting out it's a good idea to get synths that complement each other and don't duplicate sounds that the other synths can do. Although the Model D and Grandmother are different they also have a lot of overlap.
There's also the Behringer Model 15 which is based on the Grandmother and which wouldn't break the bank😊
@@IanWaugh thank you for your help! I discovered today your Channel and i found you're professional and very very nice person!
@@FrancescoCascella-e7p That's very kind, Francesco, thank you. Happy to helpp if I can 😊
I love patching my Moog Matriarch, such a beautiful sounding synth!
Hi - Yes, it absolutely is 👍
I had both MS10 and MS20 at some point, ended up selling the 20 as I found the 10 to sound better.... was that only my units?? I would assume that the sound generating circuitry would be the same, only scaled down in the MS 10?
Interesting and seemingly strange although I don't know if the circuits were identical as the names would suggest 🤔
I think the Minibrute 2 should also be considered. Its very feature rich. It has more features than Grandmother. That being said it didn't click the same way my grandmother did. I got the 2s version and it was a great start before i dove into eurorack and is still very useful with my modular.
Yes indeed. I was thinking of the module versions and the keyboard version totally slipped past... 😢
I'd love to have the Grandmother to connect to my Sound Studio 3.
Hi Eugene - Yes, that would be a nice addition but there are also alternatives 😊
I had been tossing back n forth between the grandmother and the matriarch.
So I seriously look at the grandmother on video to see how high the ceiling is as far as sound goes. I already have a micromoog. It seems the grandmother is an updated version of the micromoog with reverb and modern design and patch/sync features.
Then I just watched you here. The money will strapped me in/down, but I. have to go with matriarch.
Not all that happy as far as the price goes.
But I'll buy it once, take care of the bloody thing. It's my last synth that I ever buy. I always wanted a mini moog. Just too much money now, and there's an abundance of synths out there now. I always wanted the alesis A6. I cant trust the hardware cause of the age. Again, also the price. I might as well buy the software version. I bought the moog soundset in hopes one day, getting the matriarch to satisfy my lust for moog gear. All because I just couldn't afford the mini moog when I was younger. Well the matriarch, dfam, mother 32, and subharmonicon should do it for the money
Love watching ya speak on this. It was confirmation for me.👍
I'll keep an eye on ya, cause you know synths. Actually I almost pull the trigger on the behringer poly d when I randomly across your video on it. Paraphonic. ...I said, "Oh no way.
🫡thanks again.
Thank you for your kind comments 😊
I think the Matriarch is a great synth (although over-priced) but it is sort of paraphonic, too. Hope you enjoy it 👍
@IanWaugh You're welcome 👍.
I'm not happy at all of the price, and no way will I buy a used 1. I'm aware of the machine being able to go paraphonic.
Unlike the behringer. They had me sold until I saw your video. They must had a hush hush agreement with moog cause they the Behringer company don't advertise that part, but rather spell poly on their machine tho. False advertising .
Just my opinion.
Thanks again.👍
@@Nuggyc Yes, the name could be misleading. Some folks have suggested it should be called the Para D 😄
Minibrute 2 is an alternative as well, but keyboard is only 2 octaves
Hi - Yes, you're absolutely right. No idea how this slipped through the net but it wouldn't have altered my overall conclusion 😊
feature-wise it maybe is, but definitely not sound-wise in my opinion. I have both, but never used the MB2 since getting the GM.
@@bike.krueger Yes, I wouldn't put them in the same category but it's good to have alternatives 😊
When showing US prices are you including tax/VAT, which is generally already included in UK prices?
Tax varies in the USA depending on where you live and where you buy from. I've looked at prices of various synths on Sweetwater and compared them to UK prices and you cansee that some use a £=$ conversion while others do take into account the conversion rate.
Subphatty moog with some moogerfooger pedals can do a lot 😉
Yes, that's a nice one although the pedals would cost more than the synth 😄
@@IanWaugh modular.
@@markberglund2056 😊
Hi Ian!! I didn't vibe with it just based on the name... 😆I've never actually even heard it. You are very smart to get the black version! The multi-colored one makes me want to BARF. 🤮 (Plus all this modular stuff is Chinese to me...) I would LOVE a sub 37 though... Great video!!!
Hi - thank you 😊 Yeah, you might think synths would have more techy names, named after stars or constellations or quantum particles 😄
But it sounds great and patching isn't too difficult. The Sub 37 is great! Fancied one of these but too similar to the Grandmother, I think.
Tastes differ. I find the colours quite attractive, much more so than the almost unavoidable black that is always used for synths.
@@robjansen5236 Yes indeed 👍
I dunno, if I had a synth I could troll someone into barfing with, that actually sounds kind of fun!
@@almightyEsquilax Lost me with that one... 😕
You can pick up a Matrixbrute for around the same price of a Grandmother now. Quite a bit more bang for the Buck!
Yes indeed - a few more alternatives now than when I made the video 😊
What bothers me about the Korg MS20 mini is that they opted to keep the original shape instead of a flat design. Yeah, the original design is a classic, but if I am going to buy a compact synth, I want to be able to fit it in a backpack with my laptop. And what's the point of a mini version if it is not compact?
Good point! I assume it was made as a cheaper alternative to the biggie. If you want flat there's Behringer's K2... 😊
There was the flat / desktop Korg MS-20 kit.
@@mickeythompson9537 With a Hz/Oct switch I believe...
@@mickeythompson9537 Seems cool! I wasn't aware of this one
@ 999USD or in Canada recently 1399 CAD now with Covid inflation @ 1499CAD the pastel grandmother is Still a Excellent value for an authentic Moog with CLASSiC Moog tone + modular capability & Spring verb... I bout it instantly! remember Moog's Selling the Minimoog for 4999 USD! However at 999 UK pounds for England ect. which is = 1250USD or 1725CAD I agree its a bit Steep for you lot.
The Minimoog is a cash grab 😊
@@IanWaugh yes of course ;) but if you want a 'Real Moog' mono the grandmother is its closest available Sibling & ultra cheep by comparison. and even against the Behringer model d clone I definitely like the grandmothers powerful Moog Sound more.
Moog Grandmother is an entry level synth. I got bored of mine and sold it within a couple of months. If Korg were to make a MS20 ‘plus’ with sprung mod wheel and some extra features like an arp it would be the ideal monosynth
The grandmother has a great keybed and sprung pitch bend wheel but the tone of the filter is boring
Hi Greg - yes, I can see how you might see it that way - it does seem basic but you can do a lot more with it when you gett into patching. but I'm not sure it's any more powerful than the GM although they do sound different. Depends what you want.Interesting that you mention the MS-20n as I always wanted one 😊
Did you get a replacement?
@@IanWaugh i got the full size reissue of the ms-20. I prefer it to the grandmother. I even bought a matriarch but it was too heavy to gig so I sold it too after a couple of months. The search for the ideal synth continues!
@@goldenmantis Yes, far more to the Matriarch but the search for the perfect synth continues, , always... 😊
My first synth, in 1978, was a Korg MS10 ... and I felt like in heaven. Later on synths came and were sold again.
In 2020 I bought a Grandmother for € 889 (the colourful edition). Great fun and a great synth and Moog sound.
Then I got an offer for a used Matriarch (nearly new) for € 1.700. And yes ... the Matriarch was placed on my desk.
Although the Grandmother was pretty easy to handle, I sold the Grandmother. And the Matriarch is still there (and will be there, as it is a fantastic instrument).
Hi - Yes, super - occasionally think about getting one but...😊
The Malevolent was TERRIBLE, the build was like soup and it made the Korg mini look like a tank! Found it very limited tonally and it lasted just 2 weeks with me
That's interesting. Specs look good on paper but I can't imagine any build worse than the Mini 🫢
@@IanWaugh Aye, you're right...I had the FS of the MS20 and it was a TANK, loved that thing. I'm jinxed though...just returning mty Grandmother as it's got loads of defects :( P.S. great vid, made your opinion piece useful and relevant to everyone, thank you
@@Farold_Haltermeyer Thank you for your kind comments. Sorry to hear there's probs with your GM 😢
@@IanWaugh have you ever been told you have a bit of Dennis Norden about your delivery?
@@Farold_Haltermeyer Ha! Ha! Nope. I think he had a great delivery. Not quite there yyet 😊
Moog went out of business in the 80's. Bob died in 2005. I have absolutely no interest in the modern Moog company or their products. When I saw that they were capitalizing on the transgender craze in order to advertise their products, I became thoroughly disgusted with them. Moog needs to disappear.
That's one way to look at it 😊
Get a life. You can’t even watch a video on instruments without getting outraged over something that none of your business.
@@final_mile_music9713 Stop defending those people. If it was none of my business then they would keep those activities in their own bedroom instead of parading it around everywhere.
Maybe you need to disappear. Move to Mars or something! 😂😂😂
Horrible synth... looks like a toy, sounds harsh... and that stupid name: in a world where we have the Andromeda, the Jupiter, the Prophet, the Iridium... this one is the _Grandmother._
🤣 2 out of 4 ain't bad 😊
That harsh sound is what makes it!😂 tbh you have to push the VCOs past 12o to get that. So I never go below 12o!
@@rodnee2340 Yes, that adds a bit overdrive so it can do harsh AND gentle 👍
:)