Why I'm (Probably) Selling the Moog Matriarch
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The @sonicstate video I mentioned : • Moog Matriarch Review ...
0:00 Intro
1:51 Hands on
3:14 Voice Modes
7:12 Oscillators
9:03 Mixer
11:00 Filter
15:47 Delay
19:44 VCA modes
21:07 xxxxx
23:22 Mod Bus
27:15 Arp / Seq
32:09 PATCHING (its bed time ill keep doing chapters tomorrow.)
54:13 Long Conclusions
COMPLAINTS BY MODULE :
ARP
Switch to disconnect keyboard from arp / sequencer
Even a way to point the arp / sequencer to certain voices
Ratchet and tie as performance controls during the arp would be great
MOD
A cv in for amount, so I could modulate this whole bus with something other than the mod wheel
Or a cv in to replace the lfo with some other source that could also modulate the whole bus
Just like the sub 37, the range on the pot for pitch is 90% useless
UTILITIES
I actually think they're exactly what they need to be.
Being vca's, being bipolar, mults working as mixers, all good choices.
OSC
Why can't I disconnect oscillators from pitch to use them as unsynced lfo's
the lowest notch on the CV switch should be lo frequency.
MIXER
I cannot believe it isn't stereo.
Needs to be stereo, even if it's just cv in for panning, which there is definitely room for the jacks.
If or even better, panning CV and pots for panning
FILTER
One master cut off gives us some cool behaviors, but it really makes me wish each filter had a seperate cutoff also.
Spacing would be much more useful of it actually changed both filter cutoffs, and was modulatable like that.
Because as it stands, using the filters truly seperately would require a lot ton of external patching.
Envelope amt in should break the normalled connection to envelope 1, letting us use the amt knob to attenuate some other signal, instead of just modulating the envelope contribution.
ENVELOPES
Are fine, but modulating times would be nice
DELAY
Spacing works way great here, and honestly I think it's better than two separate times
I would love a switch like the filter, for series, parallel, or ping pong.
OUTPUT
Cv ins should break normalling, but that's it.
And for everything on the back, note & gate outs for individual voices would make this so much more flexible when paired with a eurorack system.
True 4 voice poly would be way more straightforward, as of now it can be done with some external midi to cv conversion
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Funny timing with that Miles Away video 2 days ago about how he rebought a Matriarch after selling it
Lol was about to say the same thing. I sold mine and am coming here to feel better about my decision lol.
Thinking the same thing
Agreed
UA-camrs buy and (maybe gonna?!) sell stuff, just to have something to talk about … Don’t waste your life on it …
@@kierenmoore3236 oh believe me I've fallen into this trap a couple of times myself
My favorite thing about UA-cam is how i have so many people saying, "I'm buying the Matriarch, i'm selling it, i bought it again." I think that just proves it's special. Been that way for a couple years now.. but i absolutely love mine. I'm in a weird musical place where i don't have a genre, and it's been nice to just sit down with it and enjoy it for what it is every day... ignoring tons of other more expensive gear.
Have been making music for decades, and the moment i played it i knew i had to own one… and i will never part with it. It’s part of my musical brain now. 😂
The weird you speak of is just creating music with no boundaries, that's the approach I take. Genre just limits creativity. Glad you said.
I've been itching to get the matriarch.
I think the Matriarch makes a lot more sense if you stop trying to make it a Moog One and think of it as a super beefed-up 2020s Minimoog: a mono synth with 4 VCOs in a couple of filters that could do stereo (but BPF is more fun), and there's a delay there too. It gives you modular capabilities, but I think it shines more as a classic mono synth, unpatched.
Matriarch is my favorite synth that I own. It’s character is so much more unique than everything else
The Matriarch is my hub for running all my synths through via the VCFs or VCAs to take advantage of the filter and delay. I also have two Gamechanger Audio Light Pedals for a dual mono spring and it's just so freaking sweet to run everything through it.
i've got a matriarch dark, the moog triple and a grandmother, this is one my all time favourite synths
i think my favourite thing is creating a sequence then overwriting it in real time
I love that your videos pop up as I'm getting ready for work. Excellent way to start my day. Keep on jorbin
It's Jorbin' time!
Hqhahahha instant replay on the paint flying ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Its gonna be the last USA made Moog... hold on to it
There are some pieces of gear that should never be let go of, for me the Matriarch is one of those. It is my desert island synth, if I also had electricity. While it does take some study and work, it is an instrument that I have been able to get more out of than any other synth. To me the matriach is on level with a high end, Gibson or custom fender electric guitar or a saxophone or even a Moog model D. it’s better than a model D for what I want. I do get it though it has no presets and you can’t exactly save where you where, same as an analog guitar peddle board.
So damn informative and helpful man. Excellent. I just added Grandmother to Matriarch and Mother this week. I figure now might be best time to buy other than just having so much fun.
Funny timing with Miles Away’s video. I don’t think I’ll ever sell my Matriarch. It’ll be a modern classic and is such a fascinating and unique device, especially since I want to get a eurorack case in the future. It’s also pretty much the last Moog to be made and manufactured by MOOG, not what they’re about to become with the inMusic acquisition. Seems dumb to let it go, but you do you.
Agreed, seems silly.
Dumb to let it go because it doesn’t work for you anymore?? 😆 it’ll be pretty dumb to hold onto it when you could use that money towards something that actually works for you.
Nice you covered the end at the beginning. I thought, with the new poly inMusic Moog coming that you may have been getting some money set aside for that.
At 25:00 you've got dual attenuators right next to the modulation section. Patch both of them in, and it dramatically reduces the 'dramatic' response of the LFO Pitch AMT :) also takes the mod wheel right out of the equation...
That’s what I came here to say. If you don’t like how the mod amount and wheel are set up, use a patch cable!
Ditched mine and swapped it with a Pro 3, for now, but I did have a lot of fun with it!
These two synths … together … or with even a little bit of euro/semi-modular … is all the ‘euro-ness’ you need …
I rebought it. It’s unique. But I also have a Pro 3 SE.
@@final_mile_music9713 Twins 🤜🏼🤛🏼. Good taste, my friend.
I got the Moog one first, then the grandmother, then the mother32 and dfam, then subharmonicon, then matriarch. They are all great in their own way. Matriarch paraphony sounds are NOT possible on Moog One. Beautiful design.
Keep Rockin in the free world Mr Jorb!
You can just use the software editor for the global parameter changes. It works super quick over USB.
not sure he tried...
omg
Loved the first minute and a half of this video - a no bullshit youtuber not desperately tricking me into watching more than I want - I've subscribed.♠♥♣♦
I'm now old enough to regret selling things I used to have (Juno 60 😭) but looking back, had I not sold them I wouldn't have been able to buy other things to experience and if life isn't ultimately just a about collecting experiences, then what is it for?
That said, I might now be at a point in life where I'll just hold onto what I have... he says having just posted £2K worth of (non-synth) stuff onto eBay.
I Pair mine with a PWM Malevolent, Barp 2600 and a Neutron. Maybe I get a long with mine well because I don’t see it as an instrument unto itself, but really a box of Moog modules with a very nice keyboard attached. I don’t think I’ve ever played it without patching.
Thats a great way to put it, a well packaged bunch of modules.
It does seems like the people who get the most out of it think similarly.
Got a Korg Arp 2600m and it’s a very nice combo with the Matriarch. I don’t do modular though.
This is the way.
I don’t understand why one would buy this synth if they didn’t want to patch it. For me, that and the tone (the way it distorts) are the whole point of it. Oh, and the delay is pretty spectacular too.
This Moog sounds beautiful!
I have a Matriarch dark and it’s been possibly the most fun I’ve ever had with a synth. Yeah, the global settings are annoying. But I seldom even think about them.
Maybe that's my approach, I kept wanting to change them
Yeah, I haven't touched my global settings in like a year, I'm not sure why you'd need to be regularly changing them
There's some set and forget global settings but other I like to switch around and play with. The chrome browser editor I got (forgot which one) makes it a breeze.
Would never get rid of the Matriarch. Just sounds too good.
I have both the Grandmother and Matriarch. I don’t feel anything special about the GM but the Matriarch is just unique and I’ll never sell it. The oscillators, stereo delay and paraphonic sequencer are pretty epic.
For the Grandmother to come to life, I think it needs a small modular as a sidecar. For extra osc and modulation. Then a pair of bucket brigade delay pedals (TC sound nice and are cheap).
Nice video!
Sometimes we gotta make space in synth land…
I had one for a short amount of time. Largely forgot about it, but recently came across a couple of recordings I did back then and listened to them. It really has some fairy dust floating around in its sound that I just cant grasp.
The Intellijel Cascadia caught my attention the other day, but the Matriarch still seems captivating
Hello , I love Jorb
If this even had the limited patch storage of the Subsequent 25 (4 banks of 4 patches) it would be nearly a perfect instrument. That's a lot of knobs you'd have to twiddle to recall a sound.
This is like your Waldorf. Can you put together an equally good Waldorf with your modules?
i LOVE mine, it sounds so, so good. the 4 note paraphony and delay sound better than 1000 grandmothers. i do agree that the filter offset is wack
i know it's a matter of personal taste, but the oscillators sound much better if you don't turn them all the way up in the mixer. they are warmer and fuller. if you go past 12:00, they start to clip. its a cool effect but if you do it all the time it becomes fatiguing. also, the main reason for the pitch mod assign is to allow you to modulate the oscillators in sync mode without effecting the base pitch.
Both of those things get individual attention
Also it's like 3 o clock when they clip
it definitely clips before that. especially in paraphonic mode. i could hear it on your demo. @@JorbLovesGear
sorry. i missed that@@JorbLovesGear
@@wretchro100 you're good it's feature length lmao
I love you Jorb.
Was wondering when you'd post this after seeing it appear on your insta for a while
Dude.
No doubt, the best demo of this beast I've seen on UA-cam.
Great job!!!
Mine is currently put away in its box awaiting for some one to buy it. I like it, I do. And I've been through the 'should I sell it, or should I keep it' routine more times than any other synth I have had. In the end though, I think it will be going for pretty much the same reasons as you mentioned. BTW: the VCOs are pretty much based on the Moog Voyager with more traditional circuits for the waveshapers.
I had that hesitation. Never missed it once though.
I'm as newb as one can be. I played some guitar from age 12 and can't read music but can hear and remember enough to repeat and expound.. If that makes sense, I was also (young) into playing with keys and we owned a honkytonk piano growing up. Friends owned pianos. I don't think I ever owned a "keyboard" Casio or whatever but friends had em and I remember playing with them and those (cheapos) in retail stores lol. I like the sounds and the tweaks. I studied and learned a bit.
So....way ahead and lately....like 35 years later, I almost bought a Grandmother. My goal was to learn and maybe it was a good idea that I *didn't because I found a Modal Cobalt8 for much, much less cost and while I love the analog sound, I am not there yet enough to wrap my head. Half the cost and much easier for me to get into is this cool Cobalt ......and I'm ok with growing into this hobby.
I have other gear but irrelevant here and maybe my entire reply is irrelevant but it's nice to see your understanding and how you make decisions on keeping a tool or letting it go. /cheers.
Thanks for sharing and even though you may trade it out, I've learned so much and loved the sounds.
That's a fantastic sounding synth! Damn.
I went DAWless two years ago and have a nice little collection of noise-makers. Then, two weeks ago, I picked up the SP404MK2. If I'd been savy to the SP back then, I would have saved a LOT of money. But at least I have plenty of sound sources to sample. But I could have gotten by with only one or two monos and maybe one poly. Or just bought one Moog. Oh, well...first-world problem.
In theory it’s a great synth but in the end I realized it was too much of a novelty release for me. If this synth was made more like a Moog version of the DSI Pro 2 with an internal mod matrix, patch memory, etc I would have really loved it. As it is I find it a novelty release used to push the small, cheaply made, overpriced semi modular stuff that came next. Modern features with optional cv/gate jacks would have been nice. I think this was so close to being so great but every time I played it I was more annoyed than anything. If I spend an hour making some crazy sound, I want to be able to save it. Every time I try modular I walk away feeling like I wasted a ton of time. I’ve been making so many One patches every single day. Infinite storage and a mod matrix is so wonderful.
The Moog One proves Moog can make a super modulation analog synth. But I don't think they can make heavy modulation matrix synths at the price point that DSI could. I know every keyboardist equipment piece is unique, and theres tradeoffs, but I'd love more lush synths with modulation, instead of picking a synth that has one or the other. The PRO2 hits the mark, as does the 3, Matrixbrute, etc. Moog should make another followup to the 37, I know they had the subsequent CV, but its been years, the PRO3 really really competes with the sub 37.
can’t believe you still have the mixer on that rack mount 🙈😂
She hasn't fallen yet
The Matriarch is so magical. I have wanted it since it came out. So much synthesis in one place. I love the colors. I agree that the delay is so important to its vibe. I have an MFB Dominion 1 which is very similar in some ways. Paraphonic, semi modular, built in sequencer and arp. Definitely gets me in a similar place but with a different flavor. Hopefully one day I can add the Matriarch to the family. For now just enjoying vids. Always love your stuff. Thanks hun!
Watching this video makes me wish it had a Lag Processor for smoother changes in the Random Waveforms.
Great video as always, Jorb. Really appreciate these longform ones with the thought and depth you provide. I have had my Grandmother for almost a year now and love it. I have been tempted to upgrade to a Matriarch by thinking of it as a GM with more bells and whistles, but honestly, though they share a lot of DNA they are pretty different machines. I think I'll stick with the GM as an immediate and easy to use mono with a lot of tricks up it's sleeve. The other thing I have noticed having recorded with the GM is that it takes up so much space in a mix, cause it thicc. You have to be very deliberate with arrangements and eqing to get it to not overwhelm a song (unless you want that). I imagine that a four osc paraphonic version of that would be even more difficult to get settle in to a full band type mix...
Jorb! Come on in, want a coffee? Good seeing you.
I needed one so bad
@@JorbLovesGear ☕︎there you are, gonna be a fine day today.
I’ve gone back and forth about selling mine, specifically because of how many of the global features are things that I wish had front panel representation. However, it does sound so great and so special, that I know I’d end up regretting that decision. Yeah, it’s not perfect, but there isn’t anything better.
The right answer is "keep all synths". I mean like, duh man. ;)
I'm supposed to sell a lot of gear but never have 😅
Clever sequencer
I've been on the fence for this synth. I'm looking for a mono that can growl, good for bass (I've already got poly's). What's your go-to for bass?
This can absolutely growl, but might be a lot if you aren't willing to explore.
Im partial to my arp odyssey through a drive pedal
hi Jorb - if you could only choose one of two - the Take 5 and the Matriach .... which one you YOU get ???
The global settings is definitely a WTF moment for Moog in an otherwise great synth. There are some meh editors out there, I think I'm just going to write my own Python script to do it.
Have you tried Chonky?
@@MrHihowryou On a Mac. And really... my Python script UI looks better.
InMusic would do well to decree all new models will have parameters settings on phone app through WiFi or USB
@@electrosonicnebulainmusic wont do anything that doesn’t immediately bring in money.
@@AutisticCuriosity I'm sure it can be a selling point, they can do it via USB for all I care. It's cool to have screenless anything and be able to configure on an app on the phone easily and only when you need to, especially compared to that nightmarish keypress system configuration.
Nice drum machine, is that the TT78? Also, Matriarch is like 10 times more amazing with a few extra eurorack modules to do wonky cv processing.
I would LOVE to buy maestro jorb's matriarch!! especially with the discount after all that paint flickery. 😂
I'll never understand people complaining about how long it takes to create a certain patch or sound. When you create a piece of music and ideally document it some way, it potentially could be around until the end of time. How long it took you to come up with a sound is irrelevant to me.
Hehe, this video just affirms that I'm not selling mine. I don't think I've ever touched the globals on it, myself.
hey Jorb - did you end up selling? do you miss it? do you think you’ll get another one some day?
I do still have it! Not sure for how much longer, but the price seems to just be going up
is there a way to patch the Matriarch such that the delay “mix knob” just becomes a delay “level” knob and doesn’t affect the volume of the dry synth output?
@@reallyoldcob nope, you could get independent levels by patching into external modules, but unless I forg a out some global setting that knob is always mix.
Hello Jorb, is that waveform display for real or you put that in the vid?
That's a mirror pointed at my very real oscilloscope
Super analog.
@@JorbLovesGearshoutout to Cuckoo!
I'd like to believe the first second of the video was done specifically with me in mind
What would you replace it with?
And the buy/sell/buy cycle continues Heh, but does this mean because it takes so much noodling to achieve what you want, you're not into and moving away from euro-rack/modular workflow?
this a hot chocolate snuggle blankie time video0ooo!!
Cozy up fam
I really like some of what the Matriarch does, but after using a cheaper true-analog synth with CV and no patch recall, I found it was wildly impractical for what I do. So now I appreciate that sort of thing only from a distance, happy to look but not touch.
I have sold mine because first of all it connot save presets, it collects dust, I did not like cv connections at the back and tuning knob at the back, plastic keyboard and cheap-ish plastic everywhere, limited amount of waveforms and oscilator ranges, signal flow around the delay, VCA ''module'' is stripped as hell...why one LFO? useless sequencer (I can use a daw as a sequencer) ...generally cool synth but made in China and who was designing these CV connections made it quite limited...for example mixer can have CV modulation or ADSR as well...each parameter could have CV in but does not...oww...and delay is cool but if it could go down to 0ms it would be A LOT more useful.
Very expensive with only 4 voices...6 would be A LOT more useful....
It's not made in China, it's made in the US. Some parts come from China, but this is true for almost every single product in existence. Moog still handbuilds all their synths in the US.
The most interesting thing on this, is these videos will make people buy the Matriarch not sell it. I'm not really sure another synth actually sounds like it. Pretty different and quirky and some new synths lack a lot of character. it's also not just a reissue of something old which is welcome in the synth world too
Your Matriarch sound so much better than mine, it is disturbing
Im using a Tascam Model 24 mixer with Bluetooth and my phone is hooked up to my mixer. I am running two channels, left in one and right in another. Should i be using one channel and just use the left (mono) channel. My spacing has absolutely no effect.
Good 😂
I love Stereo Ping-Pong Delays.
This is why I subscribed- warm thoughtful videos bravely exploring ideas without knowing the conclusion for sure. Like having a chat with a nerdy friend who actually gets what you’re so overjoyed and frustrated with.
I feel all those global settings frustrations. It’s like having a girlfriend with a fabulous ass and a great but cutting sense of humour but who can be a real b@tch too!
Sure get rid of her. Dump the quirky awkwardness … and replace it with what?! There are other synths it’s true BUT this is the MATRIARCH - and we both know you’ll going to miss her and she is in replaceable.
On a more serious note the usual reason I want to sell is familiarity- I just need some space then I come back and we’ll WOW!
Bloody paint flaked off mine too!
You
I let mine go and bought a Prophet 10. Best decision I made.
What Synth are you making space for? 😅
Polybrute has been calling my name
@@JorbLovesGear Isn’t a Polybrute 12 coming? You might want to check …
@@kierenmoore3236 if nobody asks me to demo it, I'm gonna cry
That modulation section does seem very frustrating.
I love my Matriarch for having weird sounds, but it is useless if you want a specific sound. It is very hard to get the same sound twice. And it is almost impossible to get a specific sound, like a piano or a violin. If you recorded a song with the Matriarch, good luck getting again to play in a concert. But i still love it, because I havs 2 Yamahas and 2 Roland's.
Just in time for that new polyphonic Moog that's coming out
Yeah, just need to borrow eight THOUSAND dollars
@@JorbLovesGear haha, hopefully: 1. They'll look at how Sequential and Oberheim are pricing their synths and price accordingly, 2. They see you as a good influencer and spot you one to review. Thanks for this video btw, it made me hope the new Moog synth is a Matriarch with patch saving and 8 note polyphonic for $4-5k. That would be an insta-buy.
Someone actually made a good video about the Matriarch, (except me)!
If you're hearing resonance 1 on the right that just means you've got your output cables backwards haha
ha ha! "(probably)" = my kind of guy
This is an excellent review and I appreciate hearing the peculiarities you like and do not like. However, complaining that a paraphonic synth isn't polyphonic seems a bit unfair. It does what it says it does.
Also, chipping the paint on video makes this particular Matriarch famous and therefore worth *more* money.
My section there explaining the voice architecture in the beginning was mostly to help people understood how it behaves before I dug in, I'm not mad it isn't fully polyphonic.
And yeah I'll put it in the jorb museum 😂😭
Audiorate into S&h into chorus setup mixed less wer
It's very easy to type korn while trying to type jorb
I'll buy it from you
Love my Matriarch. I’ll never part with it!
If you sell it, I guarantee you will regret it in less than 6 months. It's a masterpiece of a synth, and I've been wanting one for such a long time lol
I have a grandmother which i think is enough for me after years of contemplating selling it for a matriarch. I also have a prologue 16 voice, and though i can gripe about the lack of a real mod matrix and just one LFO, it's so satisfying to have a synth who's baseline sound character is "easy, nice and usable." These moogs have to be tweaked so goddamn much. It's nice for a full afternoon of tinkering but it's a chore
You should have both. I di rumn my Matriarch in monopany.
I haven't tried the Matriarch but I did have the Grandmother for a while, and... yeah. Sold it, kept my old Rogue, which does the things it does much more readily and with zero faff. I've had and sold a bunch of great sounding synths that I just couldn't be arsed to navigate. Life is short. If you can do the things you want with simpler gear, go for it. Seems common now though, this idea of putting functionality behind either obscure shift presses or buried menus that change with every OS update.
I have a Matriarch but never wanted a Grandmother because I have a Rogue too (my first Moog). Love the Rogue. So raw!
@@stolencoats63 Rogue gets nowhere near enough love imo. Little beastie!
Im totally bummed because l dont have stereo from my Matriarch but yous on UA-cam is intensly stereo. Something isnt kosher. I have to call Moog and Tascam. When i ran my Radioshack crap mixer, i heard stereo, but my tascam is mono.
Trade it in for the upcoming Moog Mirror
Rumors say 5 of them to cover the cost.... Yeah I would
@@JorbLovesGear doesn't everyone on the youtubes get everything for free?🤣
Sounds like I gotta buy another Matriarch so the sold/unsold Matriarch world stays in equilibrium.
Great video! I love the Matriarch but I feel you regarding the esoteric key combos to access global settings. The appeal of the synth is the immediacy of operating it without menus, but when you have to dig into the global settings, you really start wishing it had a screen. Hopefully someday, some company will find the perfect balance between immediate sonic exploration and widespread accessible functionality.
I really do like the Matriarch. But the constant thing I keep running in with mine is how hard it is to get a soft and sweet sound out of it. I feel like no matter what you do, you'll always get a harsh, white noisy patch no matter what you do. I'm thinking about selling it just for that reason alone. I feel like synth this much should be able to do both.
You can do both, I would buy some patches from experienced sound designers to recreate on your matriarch and get to know it more.
Thats actually a great idea@@NealCaen
Well, I bought it twice, and sold it twice. So I can relate.
How much are you selling for?
Not sure yet, smh
@@JorbLovesGear lmk, you may have a buyer
I bought one! lol
I got rid of mine because of all those stupid global settings ,
No patch saving is an auto sell
Great video! I think u want to sell it because you didn’t get the black one haha jk ;)
Don’t. I did. Then a year later bought it back.
Say it ain’t so!
I guess I'm the only one that thinks it looks hideous and every switch looks like it will need replaced in 5 years
In terms of play modes it's comparable to Vermona Perfourmer and, ironically, the loathed and limited but very cool sounding Akai Timbre Wolf. Grandmother and Matriarch are relatively affordable and easy to understand by just looking at the panel which is also really cool. Nice bulky size for the cavemen among us too.
8 voices vs 1?
What are you muttering, this time?
The global settings are a pain in the....
Inspired me to make a video.. "Why I don't car Jorb is selling his Moog Matriarch ." should also be an hour long.
Lol
Nice. We can pair it with me "I don't care about folks who don't care; yet still put the effort in to post a comment" :)
@@Daphoid Sorry but I also I don’t care about people that post comments about people posting comments either.. 😘
I have sold it too