In your opening, you note one of the joys of UA-cam is interacting with users. With that in mind, I'm wondering if you might avail yourself to attend a few marriage counseling sessions to help me explain why VRR and local dimming were essential upgrades to my purchase at Costco this afternoon? LOL
This was fascinating. I dreamed of systems like this back when I started simming around 1987. Then I was on a Commodore 128 playing SubLogic FS on a TV and getting around 4 fps. It was good enough to learn to fly - input lag wasn't even a distant thought. Taxiing, taking off, using nav radios, gentle turns and pitch changes, using the ILS, and landing - no aerobatics though! When I took lessons the instructor never touched the controls. Anyway, after years away, I built a system in 2014 for Elite Dangerous and got a Rift. Now I can't imagine flying w/o using VR. My system is too slow for MSFS2020. It will probably be another year or two before I build a new system, and I'm hoping there will be a new real Gen 2 VR headset available, and finger tracking so you can turn knobs, push buttons, and etc. Even my experience with VR controls in NMS aren't that bad once you get used to them. The best part is it doesn't take anymore space than just sitting in a chair.
Another good video Russ. A few months ago I bought a SAMSUNG AU9000 55 inch, which was well priced at Costco and on a special deal. That one is a 4K 60 Hz screen, but can handle 1080P at 120 Hz (MSFS at 4k 60 Hz and 1080P 60 Hz is OK, so that may not be an advantage). A pretty good screen, perhaps not bright enough if used in a well lit room, but fine if the lighting is otherwise subdued or when used in the evenings. At present, however, as I am still limited by my GPU, I am working with MSFS using some much older IIYAMA 27 inch 1080P. I have those in a Dual configuration, but do have a third, so will invest in a Triple Monitor Stand at some stage, and will try MSFS on the three screens. The dual screens were much better than a single, i.e. once MSFS enabled multi-monitor support, so I can see how nice triple screens will be. Indeed, I think triple screens would be optimum, and I can see that arrangement will be a good workable alternative to VR (with some advantages such as being able to see and use the physical controls, and being able to share the MSFS experience with others watching or sat with you). Additional comment: worth saying that it's worth checking how many HDMI Inputs a screen has, especially if you wish to use it for several other tasks, such as TV, Blueray, Sound and PC input and so on. The Samsung above is, for me, one HDMI Port low, as I have had to use an HDMI Switcher between the PC and Blueray Player, which is a pain. If you need to use an HDMI Switcher, just get a good one that can handle the resolutions and frequencies, that preferably has a Remote. Or, better still, buy a screen with plenty of HDMI Ports!
I think this is simple: an OLED 120hz VRR is the spot for flight sim and will be for over 10 years if you're not doing VR. Pick the right size, and if it's over 32" 4K resolution is going to be better and be done with it. There is so much 1 - input lag doesn't matter for flight sim. I fly combat sim (Digital Combat Simulator) and input latency isn't even a thing I care about. With GA, this is even more true. Stuff doesn't sneak up on us that survival is about observing something milliseconds sooner and reacting. 2 - High refresh rate doesn't matter, but 120Hz VRR is still helpful. #1 is also why high refresh rate doesn't matter; at 120hz, you have an 8ms advantage presentation time. You didn't survive or die because you saw something potentially 8s sooner. Further, flight simulators are super demanding both in graphics and CPU. No one has a GPU that runs 4k 120hz smoothly with 1% lows of 80 fps or so; and further basically every modern flight sim (DCS, XPlane12, MSFS) still make all current top of the line CPUs with the fastest DDR5 memory run slower than 120hz, and in MSFS (which I hate) slower than 60hz a lot. The only reason I suggest 120hz is with VRR so that when/if you are averaging maybe 80-90fps on really high end hardware, you aren't v-sync'd down to 60hz because of your monitor's limits. You can observe the extra FPS you are getting, it's also better if you're less than 60hz as you don't have to decide if you prefer to vsync to lose further performance versus avoiding screen tearing.
I bought an LG 45 inch curved monitor with 240hz refresh rate. It’s 2K but from 4 feet away, you cannot tell it from 4K anyway. Amazing experience with FS2020!
Hate to nit pick but you should add an addendum. Gaming monitors are very different from TV’s. I’m not an expert and don’t know all of the numbers. gamers and sim racers almost always use 27” monitors at max 1440 p. BTW great video as usual!
Russ I have a rtx3080 card and I’m running three 55inch TVs plus two wimaxit touch screens all off of one computer. One of the touch screens is using the stock video card. On MSFS2020 I run the front tv at 4K and the side TVs at 1080p. I don’t use ultra graphics all around though. This allows me to run smoothly using all those monitors oj one computer and have the screen that I look directly at the most look very nice and the side ones are a little grainy. But that’s ok because they’re in my peripheral vision most of the time. This seems to be a decent solution to the 4K/1080 debate esp when using one computer.
I think someone else did a video where they ran a similar setup but did 2K on the side panels, had decent framerates, and were happy with the picture quality. When you say you're running one of the touch screens of of the stock video card, do you mean the CPU based graphics, using one of the mobo ports?
@@oldRighty1 yes I turned in the onboard graphics card to run my fifth monitor which is a 15”wimaxit touch screen from Amazon. The three 55”tvs and the first 15” touchscreen are run off of the 3080. I would like to be able to have some higher settings because the rendering is sometimes a bit slow but overall it’s a pretty solid setup that allows for nice graphics especially on the main screen and pretty smooth performance
I already had a newish 86" 4K UHD that has HDMI 2.1 and VRR. It's wall mounted and based in the living room. Immersion is an understatement. Ever seen a 5 foot wide G5000 in high res? And the latency is very low indeed for a non OLED. Even my good lady wife was amazed when I took my first flight in the 172 from a tiny black box and we know this aircraft well. That sealed. It also contained digital delights to the point that I'd swear it was 80% close to the real deal. ;-)
Thank you Russ for all these videos. It contributes to the community and keeps you younger. It seems that 55" TV is the right geometry. Is it overwhelmed to seat about 41" away from three big TVs for long time ?. Second question is how do handle all the settings and programing with this main computer, when the screens are partially covered by the small screens panels?
Actually I have never noticed any feeling of being closed in by the three monitors at my 60 degree FOV per degree. That pots my eye even with the back edges of the side monitors at which they are spread apart twice the width of the front monitor. In my setup almost 8 feet. it is true that the front panel does obscure view of the lower front monitor. By making the main monitor one of the side monitor most things are accessible but there are times I need to partially stand up to see the MSFS interface buttons and menus, Fortunately while flying there is no such issue as anything obscured is rightly so.
HI Russ Do you have any videos on what you did for the design and layout of your cockpit structures such as the tables that support the instrument monitors and how to mount 3 50-55" tv.s =? In my setup I have my instrument monitors and flight sim yoke sitting on a desk but it's too high and doesn't quite match the instrument and yoke positions in a real cockpit. I'm using a 58" tv but want to downsize to probably 50" as it' tends to be too tall - I'm craning my head to look up at the ceiling lol. Not being a carpenter I need some advice and/or plans of how to do those support tables etc.
Russ, this was extremely helpful. I decided on a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Graphics Card and 3- SAMSUNG 55" Class QN85B Neo QLED 4K. The struggle now, what cables should I use to connect them? The card has 1 HDMI and 3 Displayport. While the TV's only have HDMI. I don't want to lose anything I tried to gain with this setup. But I'm confused on what cables to use to connect them. Can you help with this? Thanks!
Thank you very much for that very helpful information. But I must ask why you choose to go with TV screens instead of computer monitors? Is it that the TVs cost less maybe? I don't know myself but I presently have a single 2160P x 3840 x 60 Philips 328E1C 32", 16:9, Curved monitor. It offers numerous way to connect, including DP ports, which are my preference. The settings for everything you mentioned, (backlight, VRR, G-Sync, etc.) and many that you didn't mention are all included in the 328E1C. Anyway, I'm thinking of buying 3 monitors and then working out how I can change to the 3-monitor arrangement for flying and the single monitor for day to day use. But that's a problem I'll address for a different time. I build my own computers and I have a single GeForce 3080Ti GPU. I have the GPU calling the shots. As a still-life photographer and use a large format printer so I calibrate my monitor to match my printer. I recalibrate the monitor's color profile about once every month with an XRite spectrophotometer. But for the flight sim, I override the monitor's color profile with one of the built-in profile settings. Also, I have an external 5.1 sound system to handle the audio so built-in speakers aren't important. My point is that even though my GPU doesn't have any trouble with a single 2160 x 3840 monitor I think 3 monitors at 3840 would be too much for it. So, with a limited amount of room to work with, I was thinking about 3, 30" 1080P flat monitors or TVs. But I must wonder if the TVs would give the ability to be driven by my GPU rather than the TV's system. In fact, I'm not even sure there would be any differences in the basic operations just so long as the TV sets offer DP connections. I have a lot to think about but my question that I asked earlier regarding your choice to go with TVs instead of Computer Monitors remains. Would you please explain that? Thanks again for the video! Rich
My YT-Icon was my ultimate sim (see pic) until one day after 35 years the FlightDoctor got me with too much sugar. Good and bad in one, I hadn't known. It's a Glasair IIS-RG D-EDSW that I built myself over 10 years. I saw it at the Reno Races on a visit to the USA to do my IFR in 1992 and couldn't resist
I have a saitek pro flight sim and 58 inches Hisense Roku Tv can you tell me how can I connect the saitek flight sim to the tv or do a you tube video about it
(Until now) My grandfather has an TV LG plasma 50", "PQ30 Series" 1366x768 (12 years approximately) (The label says "300Hz", but it is most logical that it is "60hz" - normal) (I plugged my PC into VGA or HDMI port. And the "input lag" is not perceived 😊) But in another story... My mother has a TV LG Led 43", "ThinQ AI Series" 4K. (The label says "120Hz" - I think it's true) (And the "input lag" is... 😱😱😱 - The image setting in "game mode" fixes the problem, *but* only a little)
What size TV would get you closer to a real life (1 to 1) ratio? When you fly close by The Statue of Liberty you actual sense the size & height of the 3D objects. Or what setup or trick might help? I had a large projector with 150 or 200ft stance but it wasn't 4k and image detail suffered greatly but even at that size objects were better but still no where near 1 to 1 ratios. Any input & experience with that would be great.
One important thing to keep in mind if you're going to run triple monitors. Almost all the latest Nvidia Geforce RTX 30 and 40 series cards have only 1 HDMI input and 3 DP inputs. So, that limits your option of buying dedicated computer monitors and not TVs since the vast majority of TV's have only HDMI (and no DP).
Russ I’m Ron from San Diego again. Got a 21 inch tv to use with air manager and knobster. I believe it is not touch screen. How do I use knobster without the touch screen. As always. Thanks and all the best. Ron
You just enable knobster in the panel settings and instead of touching a knob to select it you just click it with the mouse. It hilighgts yellow and the knobster controls the selected knob on the panel
So in a 3 55inch monitor set up for a say cessna 172 i see some conflicting positions in one, where do you position the left yoke in the front monitor and two, where do you put the pilot seat in regard to front monitor. I sit slightly to the left of center so i am closer to the left monitor
Outstanding guidance, though I'm reading (on RTINGS) many of the $250-300 choices you noted @ Costco do not include Local Dimming (Hisense A6H/LG UQ8000/Samsung TU700D), and the Sammy and LG at that price point do not include VRR (Variable Refresh Rate). Deal killers, despite the fact all three are rated with very low lag times?
Quickly running down the 50"-55" Sammy selection at my regional Costco, I'm seeing you have to drop $800 before you get VRR and 'sub-par' Dimming (per RTINGS). Looking at LGs next. Samsung TU700D - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM Samsung AU8000 - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM Samsung TU8000 - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM Samsung Q60/Q60A - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM Samsung Q60B - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM --- Samsung Q7 QLED 55" $799 (member only price) - VRR, SUB-PAR LOCAL DIM
@@jefflampe9725 Honestly, after watching this vid (a couple times now) I'm more uncertain, to the point I may not pull the trigger by this weekend. I was originally aiming towards Costco's 50-55" 4K LCD LED 60Hz lineup in the $300-350 range - Sammy & LG primarily. I appreciate the checklist that Russ defined, but based on his input, it appears my target price point is missing key features, such as the Variable Refresh and Local Dimming. I mean, who goes to the expense of building a triple monitor pit but doesn't want to fly at night? Dimming seems a must. I believe Russ implied there's a $300-ish perTV solution that takes VRR and Dimming into account, but I'm not seeing it at my regional Costco in the 50-55" range. Rather, if I want, errr, if I NEED VRR/Dimming, looks like I would have to spend upwards of $800 x3. Not what I was budgeting for, so I'm stuck at the hold-short line for the moment. Russ, am I way behind the airplane here and misinterpreting something?
@@corneliuslam8277 possibly for a fighter airplane with a canopy but for most General Aviation airplanes wouldn’t that be mostly the ceiling of the cockpit?
Hi Russ! Just built a PC with 3 monitors and a touch screen monitor over the weekend but don't know where to start. Do you have a guide on how to set it up in windows, x-plane 12 and air manager?
Take it a little at a time. First set up XP12 with your yoke and rudders on a single monitor. When you get comfortable with that I’d add the other two TVs. That is pretty easy. Then I’d add Air Manager and the touch monitor. Trying to do it all at once is overwhelming. I will consider such a tutorial.
@@dabneyoffermein595 what is DCS? Sorry I’m computer illiterate. This is a big jump for me. From just simple laptop stuff then building a PC with all the peripherals
curved tv are better in color shit because on the edge of the screen you looking with better angle. worst geometry better viewing angles. I have curved monitor and after short time my brain don't see any distortions of geometry as it was on the start. In OLED QD-OLED IPS/PLS screen view angles are good not benefit here but in VA or TN there is a difference. and producers don't like to tell what type of LCD is tv.
Appreciate your clear, concise, and thoughtful delivery of information. This is the first video I've run across of yours, but I'll definitely be watching more. Thanks!
I have a single 42 inch 1080p TV and it really enhances immersion compared to any computer monitor. The switches and screens look real as they are about the same size as in real life. On some aircraft like the A320, the numbers on the EADI are hard to read but to fix this I would need a 4k TV which my current PC can’t drive.
Large TV's at 1080p are always blurry if you do a lot of G1000 instrument flying. I believe that with 3090+ and 4090 that 3 wide at 1440p will be the go to res. I use 3 32" in lg nano 1ms at hd on 2080ti
Russ, somewhere in one of your vids I caught a glimpse of your floor monitor stands. Can you say which you are using? I'm mounting three 48" units. Much appreciated.
Your videos are extraordinary. They are sooo well made. Everything is clear and pertinent. Congratulations and thanks for sharing your experience with everyone.
6:28 Why does the cockpit have to be closer to the right side? In Microsoft flight sim its possible to change the camera position so the view is in the middle Will that work?
Thanks Russ, I was using MSFS on VR only but you inspired me to go down the triple screens with 2 touch panels and air Manager for hands on, immersive cockpit flying. Just one more left hand screen to complete the setup.
I wouldn't abandon VR as I really think it is the future. Some people cannot overcome the motion sickness issue and until there is a better way to interact without a mouse or keyboard triple monitors is the best solution for serious flight training. I have the luxury of two sims, multi monitor and a dedicated VR sim. I'd hate to have to pick only one.... kinda like having to keep only one of your children.
VR is the way to go for immersion but in my case at least I miss having access to a physical control. Using the motion controllers on my Quest 2 works but is still kind of fiddly.
@@jonbarto9146 I'm flying in VR, so building a C172 cocpit for true imersion and physical control. And VR headset save me a lo-o-o-ot of money - no more needs tons of additional screens, leds, etc...
I have 3 34" lg 2k 120 monitors, and yes it nice, but I find I rarely fly without vr anymore. Sometimes i do while settings up, and preflight, but once everything is setup, I switch to vr. My biggest complaint is, even with 3 identical monitors, 1 is a noticeable different hue! It's so slight, that some people wouldn't even notice, but it drive s me nuts! It cost over 1k for the 3 monitors and the 300$ reverb g2 puts it all to shame in msfs. I got the reverb after using my kids quest2 1 time! If your pc can crunch 3 monitors. It can crunch vr also. One possible downside... I can make myself sick in vr occasionally. Even a simple head tracker adds more immersion than the 3 monitor setup. Either way you go, have a good pc, because you will need it! But for immersion sake and cost, I would rank them from best to worst... vr>single monitor head tracking>multiple monitors. Not only that, the 3 monitors is an absolute pain to get just the angles right, it was the most difficult to setup, costs the most, and adds virtually nothing!
Thanks Russ for the info. I am looking to expand my monitor but only need one since do not have room for any more. So will take information and look for a good quality monitor. Again thanks for the info.
I actually love your description of how to buy these TVs for your simulator. Currently I have only one screen sitting on a desk would love to have three screens on my desk as I do use my desk for watch repair and occasionally work. I have both the alpha yolk and Bravo throttles and I also have the warthog joystick and throttles with the desk clamp mounts. So you can see I don't have much real estate in the room I use for flight simulation. I have been thinking about televisions for quite some time now and seeing whether I would get a curved screen and get rid of the two screens I currently have sitting on my desk or try to jam in a third screen and set it up so I have it like yours. As you said it's all about the Angles and the viewing perspective. If you see any mistakes in my texts because I use voice to text for adding my comments.
Dude, aircraft sims aren't quick twitch and planes are slow enough to react that you would be hard pressed to notice a 100ms delay which almost no TV has. Do you think you are playing a fighting game or a first person shooter? Stop BSing yourself and others.
Your video is very interesting. I want to buy one for my simulator and use it with my new yoke. I was thinking about a 40 to 43 inch but I see that most 4k tvs still come with only 60 hrz, will that affect my simulation? I'll only use 1 screen.
Probably depends on if your gpu can handle 4k at more than 60hz. Ive heard some people say that even with a 4070 they chunk at 4k 144hz. Imo it just makes things a little less smooth but it doesnt make it bad. God bless
Hi Russ, hope you're doing good. I was wondering if you had any thoughts or experience about using a larger front screen compared to the side screens (In my case am planning a 75" TV at the front and 2 x 55" TV's for the side views) All TV's will be from the same manufacturer and from the same product range. I'm using XP11. Would this setup work or would the side screen distort? Many thanks for your help
For X-Plane you can make it work since you can control each view more precisely (Field of view and offsets) but currently I don’t recommend it for MSFS since there is no way I know to adjust the extra monitors to accommodate different sizes .
Great video as always. Hopefully the combo VR+AR goggles will come down in price, I would not today buy a VR headset that doesn't allow me to "see" my hands/keyboard/mouse, unless dirt cheap like a used headset.
Don't be to adamant about waiting to join the party. I noticed over Black Friday HP had the Reverb G2 available for $399. Even just for visual flying VR is worth it. You just can't understand unless you try it. I haven't had a first timer user yet who tried it and said it didn't exceed their expectations.
Hi Russ, very informative video. I like to know if you have tried 3 monitors with PMDG 737 running on 4K? I spent most of my time flying the 737 and is not sure if the Nvidia 3080 Gpu can support 3 monitors with this airplane. Many thanks for your advise.
I have 3 x 58 4K cheapo TVs --- RTX 3060Ti drives them just fine at 30 - want a RTX4K to do 60 --- you will NOT regret the setup -- LOVE the PMDG 737 -- fly it almost everyday
Do you know of a way to run a main front screen (49" curve), 2 side views (32"screens) & a 17" touch screen exclusively for the panel gauges at once? Running a 3090ti over clock gpu currently.
@@simcptmike you may need to moderate your graphics settings but look a a device like this Do you NEED THIS for your sim? Pluggable UD-3900 Review ua-cam.com/video/vZfz2qisJ40/v-deo.html There are newer models now but this is an idea
Russ any comments on the set ups I have seen where people are using a bigger screen up front and then mounting a smaller monitor in a door window frame arrangement giving the sensation of looking out the door windows? I'm a retired airline pilot and fascinated by this hobby. I am looking at building a 172 cockpit as a warm up for something bigger and faster. Your channel has been a big help!
I'm looking int the U7H or R646 at 55" in a pretty dark gaming room for 1 screen setup. Thoughts? Really want to find a cheaper 4k 120hz model. I'm seeing some TV's with 144hz or more may come next year.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to hook up one Xbox to two different screens at the same time. The Xbox only has one HDMI output, so it can only be connected to one display at a time.
It was purchased on Amazon a while back. There are many similar there now. I suggest with wheels so you can move and vary the sweep back angle on side monitors. Also the height needs to be adjustable so you can be sure monitors are correct for your sitting height. I had to reverse the base feet and add weight to the base ( so the feet didn’t clash or interfere with my sim base) so it was stable with the shorter front legs. I attached a shelf on the longer feet( toward back now) and placed landscape bricks on to assure they didn’t tip forward toward the now shorter front feet. Hope that makes sense.
Picked up a cost effect LG Nano86 55 inch on sale circa 699 4K 120Hz hdmi 2.1 and super impressed. Has VRR and works fine on my Nvidia GPU...may not be an OLED screen or the best HDR but for the price really good...Should be even cheaper as superseded by newer models..
I'm just dipping my feet in multi monitor setups recently. I have no dedicated cockpit setup, just a work desk with a 27" in front of me, and a 24" on my left, on a double monitor arm. Have a few questions, if anyone can help answer those. When will MSFS support different sized monitors in a multi monitor setup? Is it correct, that the my eyes _have_ to be absolutely level with the center/front screen? Else I cannot get the perspective to line up with the second monitor, no matter the settings used. It seems annoyingly high, compared to normal usage. At current version SU10/11, can the same setup/alignment be used across different airplanes when the seating position and default view angle is different? I was noticing than when aligning things for the Cessna 152, then going the the A320 (A32NX), things didn't line up so well anymore, perhaps because default view is pointing slightly downwards - and if I level the view, I cannot see the instruments...
Great video. I just had a new computer with the latest nvidia 4090 card and 13900k CPU. So I can definately get 120 fps. I currently i use a Samsung 4K UHD 40" TV, (model UN40KU6300FXZA, but refresh rate is only 60 Hertz. I can't find the fill rate here. This is however a perfect size. Does it pay to buy the same size at120 Hertz? Will I even notice the difference.
Great video. Regarding curved or very wide screens - I recall I read somewhere that nvidia cards (or xplane or both) prefer to drive one wider screen, compare to three, not so wide screens (interms of frame rate that can be achieved every else being the same). Did you get time to look into that?
Watch this to see the difference between a single wide screeen vs. true multiview. suround is better FPS but there is no comparison ua-cam.com/video/uc0gMN9q0rw/v-deo.html
I bought 3 LG 55" TVs and they work great with XP. I tried to add a 22" monitor and the knobster. My problem is I can't calibrate the 22" touch screen monitor (it says touchscreen not available) so I can utilize the touch screen and knobster. I can only use the mouse to highlight the switch or knob to operate the knobster. Any ideas?
Russ - Rickaroo here agin. Need to buy 6 of the screens while the Xmas sales are in effect. Please give me your best selection. I'll review em of course. I had Sams and Costco in ANC but liked Costco better. Only Sam's here in muddle Ga. Great Holidays to you and yours.
The video was help full. I am using 2 x 27 inch monitors and a 32 inch TV for the main monitor. My mouse will not work on the TV on the instrument panel? If I move the monitor to the pc monitor it works fine. The TV is set on game mode any suggestions.
I'm certainly glad that I subscribed, and found this video. It has answered the questions that I had from the video that introduced me to your channel. I was hoping to get some answers in the comments, but here I am. I'm eager to dive into more. Thanks for sharing!
Is a Four-Monitor Array doable? I fly open cockpit WW1 aviation sims and I've seen three-monitor setups where a center monitor shows the view ahead and a second and third monitors angled back on the sides show the view to either side; blended to merge when you rotate your head to look around with a head tracker like Track IR. I've also seen four-monitor setups with one at top center, but only used to display the desktop; not the sim. QUESTIONS Is it possible to assign a fourth monitor (above the center monitor and angled back) to show an overhead view of the sky in an "open cockpit" aviation simulation? Will the "wrap around" setting for three multiple monitors also see a fourth one (atop center) as "extra real estate" on which the range of the game image can be extended? I'd like to build an array that will do that. Any info?
Your question doesn’t mention which sim you’re using but on XP what you want is possible as it allows each monitor view to be precisely defined as to vertical, lateral and roll offset. Unfortunately MSFS2020 doesn’t allow such granular control. It can generate an acceptable multi view setup with three side by side similar sized monitors. The current multi monitor controls are in the experimental menu so hopefully Asobo has a better plan for the future
Brand new to Flt Sim. (actually first day of real research) I learned to fly many years ago starting with a J Cub with Pontoons and then on to 150's, 172's then Cherokee 6. So this is like learning to fly all over again. I would like to know what your recommendation is for a VR set and do you like using them for this system. It appears that this would be a bit more cost effective then the purchase of three 55" monitors and related setup ie; desk, mounts, overall space required?
Yes VR is easy to set up but interacting with the switches and knobs is not realistic either. It is coming though see my video ua-cam.com/video/FBkbTo_pSXg/v-deo.html
In your opening, you note one of the joys of UA-cam is interacting with users. With that in mind, I'm wondering if you might avail yourself to attend a few marriage counseling sessions to help me explain why VRR and local dimming were essential upgrades to my purchase at Costco this afternoon? LOL
This was fascinating. I dreamed of systems like this back when I started simming around 1987. Then I was on a Commodore 128 playing SubLogic FS on a TV and getting around 4 fps. It was good enough to learn to fly - input lag wasn't even a distant thought. Taxiing, taking off, using nav radios, gentle turns and pitch changes, using the ILS, and landing - no aerobatics though! When I took lessons the instructor never touched the controls.
Anyway, after years away, I built a system in 2014 for Elite Dangerous and got a Rift. Now I can't imagine flying w/o using VR. My system is too slow for MSFS2020. It will probably be another year or two before I build a new system, and I'm hoping there will be a new real Gen 2 VR headset available, and finger tracking so you can turn knobs, push buttons, and etc. Even my experience with VR controls in NMS aren't that bad once you get used to them. The best part is it doesn't take anymore space than just sitting in a chair.
Student pilot here. I really appreciate your insight Russ, cant thank ya enough.
I I bought a 75 inch TV. It's great to fly with this image. I use MSFS2020, DCS and X-PLANE 12!!!
How's the frames with that size?
Another good video Russ. A few months ago I bought a SAMSUNG AU9000 55 inch, which was well priced at Costco and on a special deal. That one is a 4K 60 Hz screen, but can handle 1080P at 120 Hz (MSFS at 4k 60 Hz and 1080P 60 Hz is OK, so that may not be an advantage). A pretty good screen, perhaps not bright enough if used in a well lit room, but fine if the lighting is otherwise subdued or when used in the evenings. At present, however, as I am still limited by my GPU, I am working with MSFS using some much older IIYAMA 27 inch 1080P. I have those in a Dual configuration, but do have a third, so will invest in a Triple Monitor Stand at some stage, and will try MSFS on the three screens. The dual screens were much better than a single, i.e. once MSFS enabled multi-monitor support, so I can see how nice triple screens will be. Indeed, I think triple screens would be optimum, and I can see that arrangement will be a good workable alternative to VR (with some advantages such as being able to see and use the physical controls, and being able to share the MSFS experience with others watching or sat with you).
Additional comment: worth saying that it's worth checking how many HDMI Inputs a screen has, especially if you wish to use it for several other tasks, such as TV, Blueray, Sound and PC input and so on. The Samsung above is, for me, one HDMI Port low, as I have had to use an HDMI Switcher between the PC and Blueray Player, which is a pain. If you need to use an HDMI Switcher, just get a good one that can handle the resolutions and frequencies, that preferably has a Remote. Or, better still, buy a screen with plenty of HDMI Ports!
Good point I missed, My TVs are dedicated so I didn't consider the number of HDMI ports
I think this is simple: an OLED 120hz VRR is the spot for flight sim and will be for over 10 years if you're not doing VR. Pick the right size, and if it's over 32" 4K resolution is going to be better and be done with it. There is so much
1 - input lag doesn't matter for flight sim. I fly combat sim (Digital Combat Simulator) and input latency isn't even a thing I care about. With GA, this is even more true. Stuff doesn't sneak up on us that survival is about observing something milliseconds sooner and reacting.
2 - High refresh rate doesn't matter, but 120Hz VRR is still helpful. #1 is also why high refresh rate doesn't matter; at 120hz, you have an 8ms advantage presentation time. You didn't survive or die because you saw something potentially 8s sooner. Further, flight simulators are super demanding both in graphics and CPU. No one has a GPU that runs 4k 120hz smoothly with 1% lows of 80 fps or so; and further basically every modern flight sim (DCS, XPlane12, MSFS) still make all current top of the line CPUs with the fastest DDR5 memory run slower than 120hz, and in MSFS (which I hate) slower than 60hz a lot. The only reason I suggest 120hz is with VRR so that when/if you are averaging maybe 80-90fps on really high end hardware, you aren't v-sync'd down to 60hz because of your monitor's limits. You can observe the extra FPS you are getting, it's also better if you're less than 60hz as you don't have to decide if you prefer to vsync to lose further performance versus avoiding screen tearing.
I bought an LG 45 inch curved monitor with 240hz refresh rate. It’s 2K but from 4 feet away, you cannot tell it from 4K anyway. Amazing experience with FS2020!
Hate to nit pick but you should add an addendum. Gaming monitors are very different from TV’s. I’m not an expert and don’t know all of the numbers. gamers and sim racers almost always use 27” monitors at max 1440 p. BTW great video as usual!
Thanks Russ for this wonderful video.... What would say is better: 1) Two 24" screens 2) One 27" screen or 3) VR
Russ I have a rtx3080 card and I’m running three 55inch TVs plus two wimaxit touch screens all off of one computer. One of the touch screens is using the stock video card. On MSFS2020 I run the front tv at 4K and the side TVs at 1080p. I don’t use ultra graphics all around though. This allows me to run smoothly using all those monitors oj one computer and have the screen that I look directly at the most look very nice and the side ones are a little grainy. But that’s ok because they’re in my peripheral vision most of the time. This seems to be a decent solution to the 4K/1080 debate esp when using one computer.
I think someone else did a video where they ran a similar setup but did 2K on the side panels, had decent framerates, and were happy with the picture quality. When you say you're running one of the touch screens of of the stock video card, do you mean the CPU based graphics, using one of the mobo ports?
@@oldRighty1 yes I turned in the onboard graphics card to run my fifth monitor which is a 15”wimaxit touch screen from Amazon. The three 55”tvs and the first 15” touchscreen are run off of the 3080. I would like to be able to have some higher settings because the rendering is sometimes a bit slow but overall it’s a pretty solid setup that allows for nice graphics especially on the main screen and pretty smooth performance
Great video taught me a lot about what tvs to use thank you
I already had a newish 86" 4K UHD that has HDMI 2.1 and VRR. It's wall mounted and based in the living room. Immersion is an understatement. Ever seen a 5 foot wide G5000 in high res? And the latency is very low indeed for a non OLED. Even my good lady wife was amazed when I took my first flight in the 172 from a tiny black box and we know this aircraft well. That sealed. It also contained digital delights to the point that I'd swear it was 80% close to the real deal. ;-)
Thank you Russ for all these videos. It contributes to the community and keeps you younger. It seems that 55" TV is the right geometry. Is it overwhelmed to seat about 41" away from three big TVs for long time ?. Second question is how do handle all the settings and programing with this main computer, when the screens are partially covered by the small screens panels?
Actually I have never noticed any feeling of being closed in by the three monitors at my 60 degree FOV per degree. That pots my eye even with the back edges of the side monitors at which they are spread apart twice the width of the front monitor. In my setup almost 8 feet. it is true that the front panel does obscure view of the lower front monitor. By making the main monitor one of the side monitor most things are accessible but there are times I need to partially stand up to see the MSFS interface buttons and menus, Fortunately while flying there is no such issue as anything obscured is rightly so.
Very nice, interesting and useful video; next step for me now to understand what the impacts on the fps and overall graphic quality would be...
Thanks for that video Russ I found it very helpful asI shall be shopping for my 3 Tvs soon at Costco
I use 32"x3 lg nano 1ms ips monitors. 1 touchscreen and knobster. Works great. Much better than vr for training, youtube,
Hi
Monitor 1920 x 1080 ??
Very helpful analysis. Thank you.
HI Russ
Do you have any videos on what you did for the design and layout of your cockpit structures such as the tables that support the instrument monitors and how to mount 3 50-55" tv.s =? In my setup I have my instrument monitors and flight sim yoke sitting on a desk but it's too high and doesn't quite match the instrument and yoke positions in a real cockpit. I'm using a 58" tv but want to downsize to probably 50" as it' tends to be too tall - I'm craning my head to look up at the ceiling lol. Not being a carpenter I need some advice and/or plans of how to do those support tables etc.
Russ, this was extremely helpful. I decided on a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Graphics Card and 3- SAMSUNG 55" Class QN85B Neo QLED 4K. The struggle now, what cables should I use to connect them? The card has 1 HDMI and 3 Displayport. While the TV's only have HDMI. I don't want to lose anything I tried to gain with this setup. But I'm confused on what cables to use to connect them. Can you help with this? Thanks!
Great video Russ and very useful...what tv's did you end up getting and do you have a link to them by any chance?
Thank you very much for that very helpful information. But I must ask why you choose to go with TV screens instead of computer monitors? Is it that the TVs cost less maybe? I don't know myself but I presently have a single 2160P x 3840 x 60 Philips 328E1C 32", 16:9, Curved monitor. It offers numerous way to connect, including DP ports, which are my preference. The settings for everything you mentioned, (backlight, VRR, G-Sync, etc.) and many that you didn't mention are all included in the 328E1C.
Anyway, I'm thinking of buying 3 monitors and then working out how I can change to the 3-monitor arrangement for flying and the single monitor for day to day use. But that's a problem I'll address for a different time.
I build my own computers and I have a single GeForce 3080Ti GPU. I have the GPU calling the shots. As a still-life photographer and use a large format printer so I calibrate my monitor to match my printer. I recalibrate the monitor's color profile about once every month with an XRite spectrophotometer.
But for the flight sim, I override the monitor's color profile with one of the built-in profile settings. Also, I have an external 5.1 sound system to handle the audio so built-in speakers aren't important.
My point is that even though my GPU doesn't have any trouble with a single 2160 x 3840 monitor I think 3 monitors at 3840 would be too much for it. So, with a limited amount of room to work with, I was thinking about 3, 30" 1080P flat monitors or TVs.
But I must wonder if the TVs would give the ability to be driven by my GPU rather than the TV's system. In fact, I'm not even sure there would be any differences in the basic operations just so long as the TV sets offer DP connections.
I have a lot to think about but my question that I asked earlier regarding your choice to go with TVs instead of Computer Monitors remains. Would you please explain that?
Thanks again for the video!
Rich
What a superbly well done video! Sets the bar for informational videos like this and was precisely what I was looking for. Well done!
My YT-Icon was my ultimate sim (see pic) until one day after 35 years the FlightDoctor got me with too much sugar. Good and bad in one, I hadn't known. It's a Glasair IIS-RG D-EDSW that I built myself over 10 years. I saw it at the Reno Races on a visit to the USA to do my IFR in 1992 and couldn't resist
I have a saitek pro flight sim and 58 inches Hisense Roku Tv can you tell me how can I connect the saitek flight sim to the tv or do a you tube video about it
(Until now)
My grandfather has an TV LG plasma 50", "PQ30 Series" 1366x768 (12 years approximately)
(The label says "300Hz", but it is most logical that it is "60hz" - normal)
(I plugged my PC into VGA or HDMI port. And the "input lag" is not perceived 😊)
But in another story...
My mother has a TV LG Led 43", "ThinQ AI Series" 4K.
(The label says "120Hz" - I think it's true)
(And the "input lag" is... 😱😱😱 - The image setting in "game mode" fixes the problem, *but* only a little)
Hi Russ! Great video! May I ask what TV stands you are using?
What size TV would get you closer to a real life (1 to 1) ratio?
When you fly close by The Statue of Liberty you actual sense the size & height of the 3D objects.
Or what setup or trick might help?
I had a large projector with 150 or 200ft stance but it wasn't 4k and image detail suffered greatly but even at that size objects were better but still no where near 1 to 1 ratios.
Any input & experience with that would be great.
One important thing to keep in mind if you're going to run triple monitors. Almost all the latest Nvidia Geforce RTX 30 and 40 series cards have only 1 HDMI input and 3 DP inputs. So, that limits your option of buying dedicated computer monitors and not TVs since the vast majority of TV's have only HDMI (and no DP).
It's not a problem to use DP to HDMI adapters on the video card
Thanks , this is very helpful!
You're welcome!
Russ I’m Ron from San Diego again. Got a 21 inch tv to use with air manager and knobster. I believe it is not touch screen. How do I use knobster without the touch screen. As always. Thanks and all the best. Ron
You just enable knobster in the panel settings and instead of touching a knob to select it you just click it with the mouse. It hilighgts yellow and the knobster controls the selected knob on the panel
What stands do you use?
So in a 3 55inch monitor set up for a say cessna 172 i see some conflicting positions in one, where do you position the left yoke in the front monitor and two, where do you put the pilot seat in regard to front monitor. I sit slightly to the left of center so i am closer to the left monitor
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Outstanding guidance, though I'm reading (on RTINGS) many of the $250-300 choices you noted @ Costco do not include Local Dimming (Hisense A6H/LG UQ8000/Samsung TU700D), and the Sammy and LG at that price point do not include VRR (Variable Refresh Rate). Deal killers, despite the fact all three are rated with very low lag times?
Quickly running down the 50"-55" Sammy selection at my regional Costco, I'm seeing you have to drop $800 before you get VRR and 'sub-par' Dimming (per RTINGS). Looking at LGs next.
Samsung TU700D - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM
Samsung AU8000 - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM
Samsung TU8000 - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM
Samsung Q60/Q60A - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM
Samsung Q60B - NO VRR, NO LOCAL DIM
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Samsung Q7 QLED 55" $799 (member only price) - VRR, SUB-PAR LOCAL DIM
@@jaylusk4590 I would be very interested what you land on with Black Friday stuff coming up
@@jefflampe9725 Honestly, after watching this vid (a couple times now) I'm more uncertain, to the point I may not pull the trigger by this weekend. I was originally aiming towards Costco's 50-55" 4K LCD LED 60Hz lineup in the $300-350 range - Sammy & LG primarily. I appreciate the checklist that Russ defined, but based on his input, it appears my target price point is missing key features, such as the Variable Refresh and Local Dimming. I mean, who goes to the expense of building a triple monitor pit but doesn't want to fly at night? Dimming seems a must. I believe Russ implied there's a $300-ish perTV solution that takes VRR and Dimming into account, but I'm not seeing it at my regional Costco in the 50-55" range. Rather, if I want, errr, if I NEED VRR/Dimming, looks like I would have to spend upwards of $800 x3. Not what I was budgeting for, so I'm stuck at the hold-short line for the moment.
Russ, am I way behind the airplane here and misinterpreting something?
@@jefflampe9725 and the winner is... LG OLED48C2AUA
Does adding a 4th TV above the front one add much to the triple setup? If it does, which planes would benefit the most?
Not sure I understand what you mean by this … to look up ?
@@rbarlow Yes that is correct. Sorry for not being clear.
@@corneliuslam8277 possibly for a fighter airplane with a canopy but for most General Aviation airplanes wouldn’t that be mostly the ceiling of the cockpit?
Costco for the WIN
The perfect tv for flightsim is my PiMax 5K Super
Hi Russ! Just built a PC with 3 monitors and a touch screen monitor over the weekend but don't know where to start. Do you have a guide on how to set it up in windows, x-plane 12 and air manager?
So lost on where to start
Take it a little at a time. First set up XP12 with your yoke and rudders on a single monitor. When you get comfortable with that I’d add the other two TVs. That is pretty easy. Then I’d add Air Manager and the touch monitor. Trying to do it all at once is overwhelming. I will consider such a tutorial.
@@rbarlow Thanks Russ!
@@chicharonbuyakyak don't forget to try DCS as well. It's amazing with 3 to 4 monitors. (4th monitor if using Helios)
@@dabneyoffermein595 what is DCS? Sorry I’m computer illiterate. This is a big jump for me. From just simple laptop stuff then building a PC with all the peripherals
4k,UHD,OLED,QLED Take your pick .
Genius !!!!
I went with 3 TCL 65" 4k tvs
Nice!
curved tv are better in color shit because on the edge of the screen you looking with better angle. worst geometry better viewing angles. I have curved monitor and after short time my brain don't see any distortions of geometry as it was on the start.
In OLED QD-OLED IPS/PLS screen view angles are good not benefit here but in VA or TN there is a difference.
and producers don't like to tell what type of LCD is tv.
LG C2 or C1..
A better and cheaper option is to purchase a 4K "monitor", not a more expensive TV.
But not if you need a big space to enclose your cockpit inside the monitors. 55” monitors,
@@rbarlow I can purchase a 55" Samsung "MONITOR" that is better suited for today's video cards and flight simulators.
It's called a VR headset... anything less is... less.
Appreciate your clear, concise, and thoughtful delivery of information. This is the first video I've run across of yours, but I'll definitely be watching more. Thanks!
Please tell us which make and model TV's that you bought.
Russ this is a TREMENDOUS video! Thank you for the organized detail efforts
I have a single 42 inch 1080p TV and it really enhances immersion compared to any computer monitor. The switches and screens look real as they are about the same size as in real life. On some aircraft like the A320, the numbers on the EADI are hard to read but to fix this I would need a 4k TV which my current PC can’t drive.
Large TV's at 1080p are always blurry if you do a lot of G1000 instrument flying. I believe that with 3090+ and 4090 that 3 wide at 1440p will be the go to res. I use 3 32" in lg nano 1ms at hd on 2080ti
RIP pixels
Russ, somewhere in one of your vids I caught a glimpse of your floor monitor stands. Can you say which you are using? I'm mounting three 48" units. Much appreciated.
Your videos are extraordinary. They are sooo well made. Everything is clear and pertinent. Congratulations and thanks for sharing your experience with everyone.
My pleasure. As a retiree I have no expectations for my channel other than sharing what I’ve learned with others.
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Why does the cockpit have to be closer to the right side? In Microsoft flight sim its possible to change the camera position so the view is in the middle
Will that work?
Thanks Russ, I was using MSFS on VR only but you inspired me to go down the triple screens with 2 touch panels and air Manager for hands on, immersive cockpit flying. Just one more left hand screen to complete the setup.
That's certainly an option but why not a better VR headset like the Varjo? Triple screen is a "before VR" path.
I wouldn't abandon VR as I really think it is the future. Some people cannot overcome the motion sickness issue and until there is a better way to interact without a mouse or keyboard triple monitors is the best solution for serious flight training. I have the luxury of two sims, multi monitor and a dedicated VR sim. I'd hate to have to pick only one.... kinda like having to keep only one of your children.
VR is the way to go for immersion but in my case at least I miss having access to a physical control. Using the motion controllers on my Quest 2 works but is still kind of fiddly.
@@jonbarto9146 I'm flying in VR, so building a C172 cocpit for true imersion and physical control. And VR headset save me a lo-o-o-ot of money - no more needs tons of additional screens, leds, etc...
I have 3 34" lg 2k 120 monitors, and yes it nice, but I find I rarely fly without vr anymore. Sometimes i do while settings up, and preflight, but once everything is setup, I switch to vr. My biggest complaint is, even with 3 identical monitors, 1 is a noticeable different hue! It's so slight, that some people wouldn't even notice, but it drive s me nuts! It cost over 1k for the 3 monitors and the 300$ reverb g2 puts it all to shame in msfs. I got the reverb after using my kids quest2 1 time! If your pc can crunch 3 monitors. It can crunch vr also. One possible downside... I can make myself sick in vr occasionally. Even a simple head tracker adds more immersion than the 3 monitor setup. Either way you go, have a good pc, because you will need it! But for immersion sake and cost, I would rank them from best to worst... vr>single monitor head tracking>multiple monitors. Not only that, the 3 monitors is an absolute pain to get just the angles right, it was the most difficult to setup, costs the most, and adds virtually nothing!
HI. Is there a way to be able to see all the instument panel in the field of view, like in a real airplane or will it be allways cut by the screen?
Thanks Russ for the info. I am looking to expand my monitor but only need one since do not have room for any more. So will take information and look for a good quality monitor. Again thanks for the info.
I actually love your description of how to buy these TVs for your simulator. Currently I have only one screen sitting on a desk would love to have three screens on my desk as I do use my desk for watch repair and occasionally work. I have both the alpha yolk and Bravo throttles and I also have the warthog joystick and throttles with the desk clamp mounts. So you can see I don't have much real estate in the room I use for flight simulation. I have been thinking about televisions for quite some time now and seeing whether I would get a curved screen and get rid of the two screens I currently have sitting on my desk or try to jam in a third screen and set it up so I have it like yours. As you said it's all about the Angles and the viewing perspective. If you see any mistakes in my texts because I use voice to text for adding my comments.
Dude, aircraft sims aren't quick twitch and planes are slow enough to react that you would be hard pressed to notice a 100ms delay which almost no TV has. Do you think you are playing a fighting game or a first person shooter? Stop BSing yourself and others.
Another excellent video that covers the subject in-depth and with practical examples. Thanks, Russ.
What computer's configuration do you have? (graphics card and processor)
First rule of simulation, NEVER buy a TV for any computer games or simulation. There is a HUGE difference between TVs and monitors.
What monitor, pc or console do you recommend. Senior just getting started.
Your video is very interesting. I want to buy one for my simulator and use it with my new yoke. I was thinking about a 40 to 43 inch but I see that most 4k tvs still come with only 60 hrz, will that affect my simulation? I'll only use 1 screen.
Probably depends on if your gpu can handle 4k at more than 60hz. Ive heard some people say that even with a 4070 they chunk at 4k 144hz. Imo it just makes things a little less smooth but it doesnt make it bad. God bless
Buongiorno. Lei che dimensione usa di tv e le sue caratteristiche? Grazie.
Hi Russ, hope you're doing good. I was wondering if you had any thoughts or experience about using a larger front screen compared to the side screens (In my case am planning a 75" TV at the front and 2 x 55" TV's for the side views) All TV's will be from the same manufacturer and from the same product range. I'm using XP11. Would this setup work or would the side screen distort? Many thanks for your help
For X-Plane you can make it work since you can control each view more precisely (Field of view and offsets) but currently I don’t recommend it for MSFS since there is no way I know to adjust the extra monitors to accommodate different sizes .
lg oled 55
Expensive but plenty of choices out there.
Great video as always. Hopefully the combo VR+AR goggles will come down in price, I would not today buy a VR headset that doesn't allow me to "see" my hands/keyboard/mouse, unless dirt cheap like a used headset.
Don't be to adamant about waiting to join the party. I noticed over Black Friday HP had the Reverb G2 available for $399. Even just for visual flying VR is worth it. You just can't understand unless you try it. I haven't had a first timer user yet who tried it and said it didn't exceed their expectations.
Hi Russ, very informative video. I like to know if you have tried 3 monitors with PMDG 737 running on 4K? I spent most of my time flying the 737 and is not sure if the Nvidia 3080 Gpu can support 3 monitors with this airplane. Many thanks for your advise.
I have 3 x 58 4K cheapo TVs --- RTX 3060Ti drives them just fine at 30 - want a RTX4K to do 60 --- you will NOT regret the setup -- LOVE the PMDG 737 -- fly it almost everyday
Do you know of a way to run a main front screen (49" curve), 2 side views (32"screens) & a 17" touch screen exclusively for the panel gauges at once?
Running a 3090ti over clock gpu currently.
@@simcptmike you may need to moderate your graphics settings but look a a device like this
Do you NEED THIS for your sim? Pluggable UD-3900 Review
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There are newer models now but this is an idea
Russ any comments on the set ups I have seen where people are using a bigger screen up front and then mounting a smaller monitor in a door window frame arrangement giving the sensation of looking out the door windows? I'm a retired airline pilot and fascinated by this hobby. I am looking at building a 172 cockpit as a warm up for something bigger and faster. Your channel has been a big help!
I'm looking int the U7H or R646 at 55" in a pretty dark gaming room for 1 screen setup. Thoughts? Really want to find a cheaper 4k 120hz model. I'm seeing some TV's with 144hz or more may come next year.
How would this work if at all with the Xbox series X, can you run multiple tv’s?
Unfortunately, it is not possible to hook up one Xbox to two different screens at the same time. The Xbox only has one HDMI output, so it can only be connected to one display at a time.
Hi Russ, what brand triple monitor floor stand are you using?
It was purchased on Amazon a while back. There are many similar there now. I suggest with wheels so you can move and vary the sweep back angle on side monitors. Also the height needs to be adjustable so you can be sure monitors are correct for your sitting height. I had to reverse the base feet and add weight to the base ( so the feet didn’t clash or interfere with my sim base) so it was stable with the shorter front legs. I attached a shelf on the longer feet( toward back now) and placed landscape bricks on to assure they didn’t tip forward toward the now shorter front feet. Hope that makes sense.
Picked up a cost effect LG Nano86 55 inch on sale circa 699 4K 120Hz hdmi 2.1 and super impressed. Has VRR and works fine on my Nvidia GPU...may not be an OLED screen or the best HDR but for the price really good...Should be even cheaper as superseded by newer models..
I'm just dipping my feet in multi monitor setups recently. I have no dedicated cockpit setup, just a work desk with a 27" in front of me, and a 24" on my left, on a double monitor arm.
Have a few questions, if anyone can help answer those. When will MSFS support different sized monitors in a multi monitor setup?
Is it correct, that the my eyes _have_ to be absolutely level with the center/front screen? Else I cannot get the perspective to line up with the second monitor, no matter the settings used. It seems annoyingly high, compared to normal usage.
At current version SU10/11, can the same setup/alignment be used across different airplanes when the seating position and default view angle is different? I was noticing than when aligning things for the Cessna 152, then going the the A320 (A32NX), things didn't line up so well anymore, perhaps because default view is pointing slightly downwards - and if I level the view, I cannot see the instruments...
Great video. I just had a new computer with the latest nvidia 4090 card and 13900k CPU. So I can definately get 120 fps. I currently i use a Samsung 4K UHD 40" TV, (model UN40KU6300FXZA, but refresh rate is only 60 Hertz. I can't find the fill rate here. This is however a perfect size. Does it pay to buy the same size at120 Hertz? Will I even notice the difference.
Great video. Regarding curved or very wide screens - I recall I read somewhere that nvidia cards (or xplane or both) prefer to drive one wider screen, compare to three, not so wide screens (interms of frame rate that can be achieved every else being the same). Did you get time to look into that?
The three screens use different camera angles, this is not possible with one screen. He has a video on this.
Watch this to see the difference between a single wide screeen vs. true multiview. suround is better FPS but there is no comparison ua-cam.com/video/uc0gMN9q0rw/v-deo.html
I bought 3 LG 55" TVs and they work great with XP. I tried to add a 22" monitor and the knobster. My problem is I can't calibrate the 22" touch screen monitor (it says touchscreen not available) so I can utilize the touch screen and knobster. I can only use the mouse to highlight the switch or knob to operate the knobster. Any ideas?
Russ - Rickaroo here agin. Need to buy 6 of the screens while the Xmas sales are in effect. Please give me your best selection. I'll review em of course. I had Sams and Costco in ANC but liked Costco better. Only Sam's here in muddle Ga. Great Holidays to you and yours.
Hi, dont you still need a power display port adapter for the 3rd TV? I remember the LCD Tv's required power for the 3rd TV.
The video was help full. I am using 2 x 27 inch monitors and a 32 inch TV for the main monitor. My mouse will not work on the TV on the instrument panel? If I move the monitor to the pc monitor it works fine. The TV is set on game mode any suggestions.
Make shure it handle 120 MHz
Yes I mentioned that at about 10:00 in the video… also variable refresh rate is important
I did. I purchased the 48in LG C2 OLED. Once you go OLED you can’t go back!
Thanks Russ!!!! I'm at the point of updating my sim and I'm looking for 55" TV's.
Russ, what is your graphic card setup and which scenery packages do you use ? The resolution looks great.
I'm certainly glad that I subscribed, and found this video. It has answered the questions that I had from the video that introduced me to your channel. I was hoping to get some answers in the comments, but here I am. I'm eager to dive into more. Thanks for sharing!
Is this the Roseville Costco? (Where you were showing the TV's)
Thank you for all the very helpful content. I was wondering if you have come up with a short list of 55" screens that you like?
Excellent video and information. Thanks...
Can you do the same setup using VR monitors or 180 degrees vr monitor?
Is a Four-Monitor Array doable?
I fly open cockpit WW1 aviation sims and I've seen three-monitor setups where a center monitor shows the view ahead and a second and third monitors angled back on the sides show the view to either side; blended to merge when you rotate your head to look around with a head tracker like Track IR.
I've also seen four-monitor setups with one at top center, but only used to display the desktop; not the sim.
QUESTIONS Is it possible to assign a fourth monitor (above the center monitor and angled back) to show an overhead view of the sky in an "open cockpit" aviation simulation?
Will the "wrap around" setting for three multiple monitors also see a fourth one (atop center) as "extra real estate" on which the range of the game image can be extended?
I'd like to build an array that will do that. Any info?
Your question doesn’t mention which sim you’re using but on XP what you want is possible as it allows each monitor view to be precisely defined as to vertical, lateral and roll offset. Unfortunately MSFS2020 doesn’t allow such granular control. It can generate an acceptable multi view setup with three side by side similar sized monitors. The current multi monitor controls are in the experimental menu so hopefully Asobo has a better plan for the future
Thank you for a very helpful and an elaborate life video Russ!
any PWM eye strain looking so close to 3 monitors at same time ?
i got an lg oled that is made for gaming and its insanely amazing.
Very good, informative video.
Thanks for sharing.
for that money i'd buy a real aircraft.
49" UltraWide panels are extremely nice.
Thank you, for doing the legwork and sharing.
Thanks for the informative video.
Thank you very much
Brand new to Flt Sim. (actually first day of real research) I learned to fly many years ago starting with a J Cub with Pontoons and then on to 150's, 172's then Cherokee 6. So this is like learning to fly all over again. I would like to know what your recommendation is for a VR set and do you like using them for this system. It appears that this would be a bit more cost effective then the purchase of three 55" monitors and related setup ie; desk, mounts, overall space required?
Yes VR is easy to set up but interacting with the switches and knobs is not realistic either. It is coming though see my video
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