MSFS Surround Vs. New Multiview: The Best Sim Solution
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2022
- An explanation of Multi Monitor support in Microsoft Flight Simulation using Nvidia Surround(AMD Eyefinity) compared to the new Multiview. Some theory and losts of practical tips for your Multi Monitor home simulator
MSFS FOX/Layout Worksheet in .xls format download:
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Russ, I don’t want to sound repetitive but you have the ability to explain technical issues with such clarity that is second to none… Cheers!
Your videos are a treasure and valuable gift to the sim community. I have been continually impressed by your flight expertise as well as your ability to produce educational and informative videos that are top-tier quality. Please accept my gratitude and appreciation for your efforts, along with heartfelt thanks!
Thanks Russ, for your exceptionally well-explained video - this was exactly what I was looking for! The speed at which you explain and the visual examples and scenarios are fantastic - thanks one again.
I always look forward to whatever Russ has to share. As always very informative and worthwhile information. Thank you Russ!
I'm a new fan. I'm just getting back to my flight sim hobby and I was stumped on the screens. Youve basically answered almost all my questions. Thank you
Great work Russ,very technical but so well explained.Thanks for the info.
Great video Russ! You know your stuff and it’s awesome that you share your knowledge with the flight sim community.
Thanks for this great and informative short video on the topic of geometric distortions in the previous subpar solution for the last two years, compared to SU10 multi view.
No word to say what a good job you did Russ! I thanks a lot for this scientific approach to a well known problem. Generally speaking, you can view or read posts but rarely treated with such passion. Thanks again
Your videos have been a go-to for a while. Thanks for your diligence and passion. I'd love to know more about what your computer specs are (high end/low end)--though we captured a bit of that in this video. Please keep it up your work is highly appreciated.
Russ, we’ll done Sir! I’ve followed your Multi-view setup from 5 yrs ago and also have 3 55” 4k screens. I abandoned the setup when MSFS 2020 came out but have now restored the setup in anticipation of SU10. I do hope Asobo will incorporate the same level of adjustment X-Plane uses so we can really take advantage of Multi-view.
Fantastic job Bruce seriously, great detail, very helpful information. Because of the information you've given me about how to replicate my own Cessna 172 panel with dual G5s and Garmin Navigator, I was able to hone my skills on my simulator and pass my IPC after six years of non-currency. I plan on upgrading to the multi monitor view outside the plane (I'm already using the touchscreens as you use for your instrument panel). When time permits, I'd love to see a video with your impressions of some of the newer video cards and how they might be implemented or, whether or not they're even necessary.
Thank you!
Thank you for this explanation! Now I can explain in detail why I experienced motion sickness as I used a 49" curved monitor due to the stretching in games. Came here looking for information on how to properly set up a triple monitor sim rig and got that too. Thanks!
Thanks Russ ... an excellent explanation and a great help to my problem, I only hope that MS/Asobo get the finer points sorted.
Every good pilot is an engineer at heart... Love your content Russ!
Thanks for all the work you have put into this.
Superb video, simple as that. So helpful, thanks Russ from the UK
Excellent explanation of the differences between the 2 different multi monitor display methods!
Thanks Sir!
Great video. Thanks.
It inspired me to join the beta. And I have to say it works very well.
I use 4 30" monitors so I get a bit creative. One is touch screen for AM.
I have found that using windowed mode for the screens is really cool, You can spend a bit of time fine tuning by moving the view and the screens around to fit into a cockpit mockup. I use AirManager as well and was very pleased with how it works perfectly in the beta at least initially for me.
Lots more testing to come.
Thank for sharing the informations. I'm on 3xUHD 60" high contrast monitors with 190 deg HFOV since 2018, I love my XP11 setup, so immersive
Nice setup
First time viewer here. BEST explanation of viewing distance and multi screen setups I have seen and I have been looking for almost a year for this, the calculations alone are worth watching this video. Your technical explanations are the best I have seen, as I am getting into flight sims again (used a microsoft sidewinder and the first wheel and rudder set). I also play DCS and was wondering how if you play that how to set it up. Subscibed.
Thanks
Absolutely great explanation. Thank you very much Russ
Many thanks. I've just discovered your channel as I have just ordered a rig that hopefully will be able to use FS2020 with multiple TVs.
Have fun!
Thank you Russ. You just make my day!
@Russ, thanks for the excellent explanation and tips!
Thanks Russ, awesome explanation!
Great Video, I have tried VR, its great, but for a few reasons reasons my eyes get strained after 20 minutes especially when my motion sim is active. With MSFS introducing Multiview decided to bite the bullet and purchase three 50 inch 4K TVs (cannot fit much more in the space I have available) and am really enjoying the experience. It does not of course have the immersion of VR, but everything is super clear from edge to edge and I don't have to be moving my head all the time due to VRs mostly limited FOV and the image is not 'bouncing' like it did in VR with motion. Videos like these really help in understanding the correct setup, which I think is very important to ensure everything looks as it would in the real world.
I receive comments all the time about why I'm not using VR. For me, it's about enjoying the physical aspects of what I've built. And I really enjoy building stuff for my cockpit, as much as playing games with it.
The multi monitor support will probably be really fun thing with FS2020 (just need time to set everything up again to try it out :D ).
Again great video by Russ
Hey Russ, thanks for making this video. It was VERY helpful to understand the fine details of how this all "maths" out. I've been flying VR exclusively for years but found "airline style" IFR to be extremely cumbersome sitting in my pit, trying to look down through the nose hole at the [things]. So I have been mocking up a new pit for flat screen instrument procedure training. I really dislike Track IR so triple screen Multiview is the way. I really appreciate you explanation and again, I thank you for the information. :)
Finally debunking the myth of "stretching the image at the edges" with surround, which in fact results from placing the side monitors at and angle while in flat projection mode. An indeed multiview is much better than surround allowing angling the side displays. However, while waiting so long for multiple display proper support I switched to VR and I will never go back.
I still use massive amounts of buttons and levers to fly in VR without touching the mouse, I even use voice commands with Axis and Ohs to operate the autopilot in the airliners. The hidden benefit of VR for the semi-serious VR cockpit builder - you don't need to care how your buttons and levers look like, because in VR you can't see them. You only need to feel them the tactile way and you are allowed to admire the stereoscopic view not only of the scenery but also of the beautifully recreated cockpits with lights and shadows dancing on them while turning flying at dusk.
Preaching to the choir…❤️ VR
I also have VR however flying 10h in VR from EU to US is not a good idea so I also use 3 monitors. VR for short flights sure but longer flights NO WAY.
Love the setup!
Well done Russ. You explained these concepts perfectly. I never understood before why really wide field of views distorted. It didn't occur to me that it was rendering it as if it were on a flat screen rather than a curved one. It seems to me that surely there must be a way of just rendering one view and the having some post processing to remove the warping from the image based on the angle you actually have the screens at. Mathematically it should be possible. I am not sure if it technically is.
There is software to map images like FlyElise but it is $$ and cumbersome and MSFS needs all the CPU power it has already without another program.
@@rbarlow correct Russ.
I use three projectors on a 470" curved screen with FlyElise warping software. I can promise you "It is cumbersome"!
I would also add words like "convoluted", "counter-intuitive" & "complicated", but for those with the perseverance, the reward is an impressive panorama which should suit FS2020 nicely.
I'm really looking forward to it.
Thanks for sharing this video.
@@davidwilkinson4969 my friend Chuck has the Malibu sim featured in a video I posted and just built a cylindrical screen with 3 projectors and using FlyElise. The end result is quite immersive but he spent a lot of time getting things dialed in.
FlyElise makes a product that does what you suggest called Immersive LCD Pro. fly.elise-ng.net/immersive-lcd-pro/?gclid=CjwKCAjwpKyYBhB7EiwAU2Hn2Q0idDs4RJho5N-bR5Kf9h4i3OjfrQoD1uMo7jJQ9Uz5M7_8q1eH0hoCgMsQAvD_BwE
The home version is €150 but if they can do it you’d think Microsobo could add it as a feature. I can live with the current setup in MSFS but need bezel correction and scenery only views ( but with wings cowling and prop disc.
Excellent video, thank you very much for your time
wow what good explainations clear an sound informative and interesting
Thanks for another great video.
great work - really appriciate
I like how you have the 3 monitors. My setup would never accommodate something such as that. One monitor will have to definitely suffice!
You might consider VR then since it requires hardly any space. It is extremely immersive and great fun.
This Is great Russ. I had to lower my expectations because even my 3060 just doesn't like 4k on 3 screens. 1080p I found works best for me.
Yes I think a 4090 might almost handle 3 x 4K … if you have too much money
The problem with a lot of simmers is that they forget that in the real world, you are looking at a curved image. You have extra space in the real world for your gear because your view in the cockpit is through a curved glass that goes around your cockpit and gear.
If you are serious about your sim experience, you should either stick to curved monitors or VR headsets.
Hi, thank you for your great video and explanations. I was wondering if it was possible to set up a three monitor setup with a large 32:9 wide view monitor in the middle and two standard 16:9 27 inch monitors on either side? Or do all the monitors have to be the same size and aspect ratio?
Great explanation, extremely helpful. I have 2 32" 1440p monitors, and I am simply trying to "Extend" my view onto a secondary monitor which is only angled 20-30 degrees. In the video you imply that I should be able to set the "lateral rotational offset" to something other than +90 or -90 to accomodate other angles. I find this is not the case, any other number results in the images not lining up where the monitors meet at the bezel. Further I find a lot of issues with free look (i am stuck with the virtual cockpit), where the other views don't stay locked to the main view they kind of rotate/roll/shift in ways that cause disorienting alignment/geometries of objects. Nvidia surround doesn't have that problem, but suffers the stretching affect as you mentioned, as well puts a giant monitor bezel in the center of my view since I only have two monitors not three.... Just wondering if you have any thoughts, have spent hours trying to get this to work.
Another great video Russ, thanks! Has MSFS come up with a way to have a true external view only (without aircraft parts being visible) such as in XP11? Thinking of changing my full scale 737 sim over, but have a ton of research to do - but its all predicated on getting an external view from MSFS. Best wishes!
As usual, well explained so that people like me can understand it . Thank you for doing what you do.
Hi Russ. Great video as usual. I always look out for your new videos as they are always interesting and very informative. Unfortunately my 3 monitors are not all the same size. I have one 75" monitor at the front and two 65" monitors at either side of the front monitor. Hopefully Asobo and Microsoft will develop multi monitor to maych the flexibility of Xplane11 and P3D so I can use MSFS with my mixed size multi monitor setup. Although I suppose it's not a definite that they will develop the multi monitor functionalitry. WHat do you think? Regards Peter
I think Asobo is new to this and don’t know how to approach things from the start. They end up fixing their previous work but usually, as long as MS is willing to pay, the eventually get it right. It just takes time this way.
Russ, I deeply appreciate all your videos since I am starting my Flight Simulator Project. A 1:1 Beech King Air Cockpit, of wood and plastic skin for best immersive feeling and 3 external view monitors, 2 Cockpit Monotors. Since I want to have a real 2 seater I may face some problems with not having the front screen center in line of straight sight, but a little left. Do you have any recommendation? Thanks from Bavaria.
Great video Russ. Problem for a cockpit builder is the lack of ability to "remove" elements of the aircraft when you already have the shell. Planemaker in XPlane11 is much better suited for this. Let's hope FS2020 mult-monitor support for cockpit builders gets up the curve as it is for XPlane11....
Definitely need this in MSFS
What do you use as a home cockpit? 737? Or GA? Reason I ask because I use Prosim 737 as my aircraft in MSFS and you just get the scenery in front of you. It removes all cockpit elements.
@@gregthegroove A C172 which I need to see wings and cowl / prop without anything else to blend in with my setup. XPlane11 planemaker is great for achieving this...
@@gregthegroove perhaps prosim is making some of the aircraft textures invisible? I don’t think this is part of MSFS but a prosim mod.
@@rbarlow yea I believe so. Prosim just uses the scenery like when you can choose just scenery in XP11
Great explanation. I have never seen a multi monitor setup that was not angled in. In fact, it would be ridiculous not to angle the side screens. The whole point is to have a wrap around view, not the view you would have up close to a billboard! In the real world we exist inside more or less a sphere, which is why those military sims use the spherical dome for the visual. What we really need is a junior version of that. A spherical screen around 15 feet in diameter with a small multi projection system just above your head. I’ll look for that in a decade or so! VR, of course, falls way short in terms of actual interface with the cockpit controls. Mixed reality might be the answer for that, who knows. But for now, monitors are so cheap that they are the way to go. Now if only I could afford 6!
I believe with the help of better VR input device such as the PointCTRL, along with the properly positioned transitional input devices such as MCP/AP panel/MCDU etc, and kneeboard/EFB application such as the OpenKneeboard that uses a real pen/drawing tablet as the physical drawing board, VR/MR is the future of the simulator training. USAF(perhaps also Navy?) is experimenting that. But I agree that for "basic" instrument(*i.e. inst. rating etc) training where the advantages of VR won't shine, flat screen is perhaps currently somewhat easier to use. But using VR as the vision system will likely, relatively speaking, drive down that part of cost, especially for an advanced set up, while providing a 3D vision that flat screens/projectors can't. Device such like wearable VR mouse(PointCTRL) or wearable VR controller can significantly decrease the cost of setting up the panels while providing some tactile feedback (though I believe the knobs are still unreplaceable), and have the benefit of quick swapping of cockpit configuration. This might not be appreciated by the Pro-level sim but certainly is not a bad choice for home flyer.
Well done! I wish the center monitor could be vertical to display instrument panel below.
I t would have been a great help to have been shown how to actually set up Multiview Great!
Hi Russ! Great content. I have a question about using mulitview with a motion platform. How important is it to attach the monitors to the platform so it moves with you? It would seem it would work fine with the TV's static and the motion platform moving within it since when you pitch and roll the pic within the screens simulate the movement. If the screens were attached, would it be twice the degree of movement? Thanks in advance for you reply!
Great one
Russ. First really enjoy your educational videos. Very helpful. I do have a few questions. I have two 32" monitors and could purchase a third. Don't have the funds at this point for three 55" ones, perhaps in the future. Seeing as how a pilot in a Cessna sits on the left won't two 32s look some thing like the actual aircraft windows? Or the second option is three 32" but according to your spreadsheet that would place the eyes at 24" or so which is somewhat close. Another option would be two 32s straight across with a 32 at an angle on each side. That would push the eyes back some to get a 60 degree view of the two monitors. Any thoughts on this? Thanks again for all you do for this wonderful hobby.
Muchísimas gracias por la explicación
My pleasure
Phenomenal insights Russ! What happens when you use curved monitors?
I just replaced my 24" flat screen with a 32" curved, and everything looks so much better, e.g., the cockpit windows almost "seem" life-size, and gauges / instrumentation is so much easier to see as well. It just feels so much better with this larger curved monitor.
Actually since the sim stretches the image to make it look correct as the viewing angle increases as you move front center to edge on a flat projection, curved screens actually introduce a small error. Probably unnoticeable. Fon a curved monitor to look perfect you would need to place the viewpoint at the center of the radius of the arc, set the displayed FOV to match the physical FOV, and use a cylindrical projection. That being said, if you measure your curved monitor edge to edge and follow the formulas in the video it will probably look good unless your monitor has an extreme curvature.
Thanks so much for those useful information. This is a dream setup. But 55” x 3 for me is a bit overkill. Although I agreed the cost for this setup is quite reasonable, I don’t have enough room for it. 😢 .
Great video. Lots to consider. I'm leaning towards 2, 34 inch curved monitors.
Thoughts please?
Basically, you have sold me on VR
:)
Thanks for such an informative comparison of the 2 options Russ. Does MSFS provide for bezel correction in multi-view?
No currently the images jump from monitor to monitor. Asobo really didn’t understand how hone simmers use the views and probably never thought of it. They also assumed all monitors would have the same resolution and orientation. You’d think they might have looked at XP and P3D before they started coding. They‘ll fix it eventually….
Yes, it seems strange that they haven't taken much notice of the features of the competition's products. My guess is that Asobo/MS were fixated on photorealistic scenery as the killer feature.
Excellent video & explanation !! Thank you so much !! One question though remaining: does this also hold true vor video-projectors ?
Yes if using three flat screens to project on…. For curved screens you need a projection software like FlyElise
Thank you for this clarification !!
Hi Russ
thanks for this interesting comparison for the 2 extended view technologies
is it possible to make the multiview with only 2 screens ?
if 2 multiview screens is supported in MSFS 2020 , with your experience and skill on multiview technology, do you think that the visual result could be acceptable and what are the benefits & limitations versus a 3 screens view ?
Thanks Russ for your Flight sim enthousiat support
Thanks for your explanation, that helped a lot! As the setup process is repetitious i wish Microsobo could come up with an userfriendly interface that takes away the math and brainwrapping... e.g. a simple setup assistent with questions like how much monitors you have, what angle, size... etc. and gives you a fixed preset with zoom setting. Yet given how much explanations we got for the menu settings overall up to now that doesn't seem likely.
Ah, i forgot... thanks to you my framerate dropped again into the high 30's because of the doubled resolution, even with DLSS... yet i prefer a slideshow when it comes with a natural view. 😊Thanks again! 💙
Thank you mr. Barlow for this video and your tool. This will come in handy. Obviously you use inches, so I will just convert them to cm.
Your system consists of 3 monitors of the same size. When dealing with e.g. a 737 home cockpit, chances are you would like to have a larger left hand screen. How does that fit into the equation?
Hey there Russ! Great video(s)! I’m in the process of setting up my sim (first one). Will consist of 3 - 55” TV’s. Is there any way to DM you with a couple of questions?
Hi, i,m new to flight sim and appreciate your content a lot..i notice that with the triple set up display, when i look at the front screen on your video, the plane dashboard overlap on the screen to the right....wonder why the dash board is not flush on the front monitor as i m sure there s a reason for that...best regards
There are relatively few flight sims that support splitting out the 3 viewports like this, although it has been popular in sim racing for many years, which is originally why I picked up triple monitors close to a decade ago. I thought an added perk would be to play them in “regular” games, as many claimed to be “Eyefinity” or “Nvidia Surround” supported, only to find out that this was false advertising, as if a game title does not spilt the cameras out to 3 separate viewports, the distortion in your side monitors will be be unusable garbage every time.
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I'm in awe, Professor. Your videos often tempt me to wax maudlin, so I'll leave it at that this time.
Recently it was pointed out that one needs matte screens in such setups to prevent reflections of each monitor onto the other two. I find that screen surfaces are never included in the specs of monitors or TVs online, making shopping for them difficult. From all your experience in X-P and MFS, have you found "inter-monitor" reflections to be a problem? If so, have you discovered models or brands of monitors or TVs that minimize it?
Actually you don’t notice it much while flying. Look at your cellphone which reflects and you look through the reflection. But if you try to film your screen it immediately become glaringly obvious. Look at rtings.com website as it does include reflection in the reviews. I suggest you buy three TVs from some place like Costco with a 90 day no questions return policy and good prices. Then open one and test it with the sim. If it is not acceptable just return all three. Or if some store will hold two while you try one out that works too. You definitely want matching TVs.
@@rbarlow
Good news. Thanks for that advice.
You mentioned that it's time to replace your displays. Have you settled on the models that you'll buy when you do?
@@Buddy308 not seriously yet. I have to wait until my wife is out of town for a few days so I can get them into the basement and installed before she returns😁. Seriously I am not quite ready yet but it is on the todo list.
Hi Russ, very good, did you put the spreadsheet somewhere? Thanks
Hi Ross, thank you very much for that video. Have couple questions for you. Can you confirm that the 3 monitors are televisions.If it is can you tell me what syncro rate it is. Is it 60 hz or 120 hz ?
And finally watching the video we don't see stutters. Did you try Level study jets like pmdg 737 if yes is there stutters or not.
Thanks again
Excellent video again Ross. I wonder if anybody know if it will run 4 monitors on views alone ?
Thanks for great work - one concern- in FOV, you place eye in middle of screens, should it be more left as it would be in an aircraft
Actually the axis of movement is through the center of the screen yet you see the same image on the screen at any eye location only viewed from that angle. If you are off center the visual effect is that you are moving in a crab. This is most noticeable while taxiing or landing on a surface with a straight centerline ahead. Your assertion makes sense. It just doesn’t work. Thanks for your comments.
Nicely explained, Russ, much appreciated.
I am still on a tight budget, so have yet to upgrade my GPU. In turn, VR seems even further away. But, on a brighter note, I do happen to have three 27 inch matching 1080P Screens, so this looks worth the effort to put the three screens together.
Also, as a former real-world Rotary Wing pilot (many years ago), without VR, the lack of any peripheral vision via one screen, makes the current 3rd Party helicopter implementations within MSFS very frustrating and unrealistic, making it feel more like just a video game.
But with two, or three screens, I can see that could work, and provide much better immersion even if it is just 2D and not VR. As I am sure you will know, when flying a helicopter in the real world when at the hover, you just look ahead and pick up movement via your peripheral vision. I think multiple screens could well get much closer to reality, so I think I will give that a go ASAP. I will need a new triple stand, as I threw some of the original single stands away when I created a dual-screen stand set up (with the 3rd used on another machine with its original solo stand).
I agree one key aspect for many, is the scope to include a (living) passenger to share the enjoyment with, which cannot realistically be done with VR, but can be achieved via both single and multiple screens. That is a very real factor mitigating against VR. My wife has certainly enjoyed visiting places in MSFS that we used to know, and flying around them in MSFS to take another look. As it happens, she has reduced vision in one eye, so VR would never work for her anyway.
Maybe we're getting old and sad, but we've certainly visited all of the places that we have lived and/or knew (in various Countries), and that has been great fun, and will be even better with a GPU upgrade to crank up the detail. We obviously had to land at the front of Buckingham Palace, it would be a shame not to!
Get those monitors hooked up, it's awesome!
The stuff in this video isn't as consequential as he makes it sound, for the most part the default settings will suffice for most sim pilots and doesn't require alot of set up time. It will feel like an entirely new game. I've actually put off an upgrade to vr because I was so pleased with the triple set up.
@@fps886797d Thanks, have two already side by side anyway, so will give that a go first, and will add the 3rd if my existing GPU can hack it!
@@keithharrison1453 For comparison, I am running 3 x 1080p monitors for a 5760x1080 resolution using an AMD RX 6700 XT video card. Very happy with performance on high or above settings.
@@mughug9616 Thanks, that's very good to hear. I am distracted by a few things (short notice surgery, so am having to concentrate on getting ready for that), but will get the 2 or 3 monitors set-up ASAP.
@@keithharrison1453 I actually have Occulus Quest 2 but prefer the triple monitos. Maybe being blind in one eye is part of the reason. With a little tweak, it seem to work really well in many of my other sims, rpgs and mmos. Added bonus is a massive Windows deaktop. You will love it. :)
Something I wish I knew before I installed my multimonitor setup. Display port to HDMI cables and adapters will not pass through Variable Refresh Rate (Gsync, Freesync). If you use this cable to connect you graphics card to your tv you will have a fixed refresh rate. The solution is to use a computer monitor with a Display Port connection. I used three 55" Hisense tv's without display port connections, so I only have a fixed refresh rate. You can purchase 48" monitors that have display port connections, you will now have variable refresh rate. There are many problems with Display port to Hdmi cables and adapters. Also make sure to keep the cables as short as possible.
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Hi Russ, I'm planning on doing some instruction in a home simulator. I'd like to sit abreast the student and have 270 degree FOV for looking back at the runway on a downwind. Could I use three 75 inch TV's 90 degrees to each other with success in xplane and msfs? Thankyou! Great channel BTW
Very helpfull video...But how did you manage to seperate the cockpit instruments from the outside view?
Air Manager is the panel used.
Russ- Thank you for your extremely informative videos. Last year,I built a 5 screen simulator set up but I used 40" 1080p monitors. Your equations made me realize my monitors were too far from my viewing position. I would like to find larger monitors, but I don't think anyone makes a 1080p monitor larger than 40" anymore since the world has moved on to 4K. You implied 55"-60" monitors were available for a few hundred dollars. I would love to know where to find those. Any ideas?
Costco had them and I know their liberal 90 day return policy is good if you find they have some flaw like excessive input lag. You are right that most of the monitors are 4K but they can easily be run at 1080p…that’s what I do and at sometime in the future your new gpu might support 3 4K monitors at a decent FPS.
@@rbarlow In your opinion, are the 60hz monitors ok for this setup? The costco UHD monitors in that 300-400 range are all 60hz. the 120hz's start at $899. Thanks for explaining things clearly.
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Great video! What VR headset would you recommend if money isn’t an issue?
Buy the Reverb G2 cheap and in a year or so buy a higher end and capable headset at a better price o
Mr Barlow, fantastic explanations, thank you. Do you think curved monitors would line up correctly, and perhaps reduce the reflection of one monitor off of the other where the bezels meet? Or, would the curve create a distortion making things worse?
Well to be exact the images produced for monitors in XP/MSFS assume they are going to be on a flat monitor so you would be introducing a small amount of distortion if they are viewed in a curved screen BUT the error for FOVs of 90 degrees or less are probably negligible. The other issue is that the monitors themselves have a radius of the curvature and depending on your selected FOV they may not coincide. This may be negligible too. Aside from the reflection issue you suggest I don’t think it would be worth any extra cost for curved screens.
@@rbarlow Yes I'm starting to understand from another video posted by someone with 3 curved Samsung G7s, that with curved monitors, the angle where the monitor bezels meet ends up being shallower than what it would be if the panels were flat. Eg, if flat panels were set at 60 degrees, and you positioned curved monitors in their place, the angle where the bezels meet might only be 45 degrees from each other. I think that makes it an easier decision - if nothing is to be gained from curved monitors, and it possibly might make it more difficult, then I can save money and have an easier time making it work. Thanks again for all the amazing info.
@@gimbalaxis you got it!
@@rbarlow One other thing I think I figure out how MSFS / Asobo are using the Lateral Offset. I think they are taking the straight-ahead view as Zero, and then the FOV from center to the edge of the side window is the offset. So in your example of 3 windows of 45 degree FOV each, the offset from center is 67.5 in either direction (plus and minus, half the total combined FOV).
It's all your fault Russ. Because of you I had to get Air Manager. Then I had to get a touch screen, then a second one. Because of you I had to make me a Knobster. Now I just got in three TV's that were on sale at a price the Minister of Finance approved of the purchase. That was no easy task because she can be tough. (Not really, she loves me) Now I'm in over my head and watching this video for about the third or fourth time. The other times didn't count since I thought I'd never be able to get three TV's at one time. I've got to build a mounting system to hold all of these things. Thankfully I'm very competent on the wood working side. I did cabinet making for about thirty years. Now I need to learn one last lessen concerning you. I need to quit clicking on your darn videos. LOL Love your content sir and I'll see you on Crunch's Discord.
Bless your wife for her support…. I tell my wife would you rather have me at home in my basement sim or about at a bar with the guys? Of course I have no interest in the bar but she bought it 😀
@@rbarlow I used that one when I flew RC every other day. I don't think she'd buy it again. :D
How much in fps do you loose when using the multiview? When I tried this yesterday I went from 30-35fps with Nvidia surround to unplayable 15fps with multivew om my computer. 12600k+2080ti on 3x 1440. Works fine in DCS and all the simracingtitles like iRacing, ACC etc.
I run 3x 55 inch curved 4k tvs works great at 45/ angle. I have seen too many with a box view, that does not look right .
Good detail with the math.
Can you make a video about how you sealed the top from monitor to monitor? Is there a fabric up to creating a roof feeling?
I have never tried a two monitor setup but it seems to me that Asobo expected monitors to be added left and right of the existing 0 degree offset monitor. I will experiment since I am not sure but am curious.
I thought we had the ability to remove the the cockpit in MSFS now? Was that removed in SU10.. Think it is called cockpit builder ... just renders the "outside" view.. Curious how that looks/feels with your system.. Also not even sure if you can get gauges that way...
Thanks for the video. Just a short question about G1000 running on your other monitor. Do you notice fps loss when popping out G1000 and move it to another monitor? I have always this problem. Did simupdate fix that? I have also tried to connect my extra monitor on the HDMI input of my motherboard to use the GPU embedded in the cpu, but this do not solve the problem.
Any advise?
Thanks in advance and as always, your videos are very helpful.
Those two smaller monitors with the popped out G1000s are using a Pluggable USB 3.0 to add additional ports. Yes there is a frames loss with popped out windows but with a RTX2080ti GPU the FPS is still over 30 and acceptable to me.
@@rbarlow Thanks a lot for your answer. I do feel less alone. Maybe Asobo will fix this with next Sim Update. We will see. Thanks again for your great video and looking forward for the next one.
Great video, is there's any tutorial to use Multiview using 2 monitors?, Thanks!
Hi Russ,
I have three angled 27 in. monitors on a Volair chassis, running X-Plane 11, and now 12. I set up the FOV at 77.5 deg., with the same offset left and right. If seems to work well for me. I’d like to check it against your spreadsheet. Can you please post the link. Now that MSFS has multiview I may give it a try.
Thanks for the video
Rich
Thank you Russ, it is a great video. I do however have a problem with my set up. I do not have the room for 55" screens so have three identical 43" 4K TCL screens. When I use your spreadsheet I end up with an 18.739 inch eye distance and a 37.48 inch rear width and I can't make that happen. I have Honeycomb Yoke and Throttle Bank. An android screen with knobster that I use for Air manager and an IPad for Foreflight. When sitting comfortably with my feet on the foot pedals my eye distance is 37". Can you give me some advice on what settings and angles I should use. I can't be the only one with this issue, at least I hope I am not.
Secondly I am using a MSI Radeon RX 6800 XT GAMING X TRIO 16G GDDR6 graphics card but am only getting between 20 and 25 fps even after going to medium Global Rendering Quality. On one screen on Ultra I got an average of 60 fps. Can you advise me on this as well?
Just keep reducing the FOV until the eye distance is 37.5…. Looks like 53 degrees FOV for 159 degrees total FOV. If you want more wrap around you need bigger TVs
Wow. This explains why my three monitor setup was stretched out while playing other games. I tilted my side monitors back. I had no idea it was stretched because they expected you to put it flat. Who puts all three monitors flat? Thanks for the info.
Sensacional.
How do you show the cockpit over head panel with your 3 monitor configuration. I have seen that you have the cockpit running in air manager. Can you allso show the over head panel with air manager? I am thinking of setting up a multi panel set up. I have tried VR (HP Reverb G2) but always struggle with using my flight sim yoke and throttles in VR. So multi panel might be teh way to go for me. Thanks for your interesting channel.
thanks a lot Russ, I see you were running xplane, does this configuration works also for the FS2020? I'm also thinking in the future to get a new computer, in this case I can use the old for the panels, how need to be connected and configured the 2 computers, do we need 2 licence for the sim, special sw? thanks a lot
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Most of the video was MSFS. I used a few clips from XP to show the effects of the stretch toward the edges because I didn’t want to set up surround and then switch back to Multiview as my MSFS is all dialed in. Definitely works for MSFS as I showed in my previous video.
ua-cam.com/video/iK6pnS0F7gs/v-deo.html.
Currently you can only use the single computer with MSFS as it has no networking built in like XP. You could run Air Manager panels on a networked computer and a pretty low powered one at that. Unfortunately if you want to pop out the nav displays like the G1000 or G530 and others for use in those panels it has to be on the same machine as the sim so you can drag them to the panel monitor. The good news is that most computers with a RTX3070 and above can run the sim on three monitors and two other monitors for the Air Manager panels with pop outs. You may need this
ua-cam.com/video/vZfz2qisJ40/v-deo.html
A single computer is much simpler and the latest gaming computers can do the job.
@@rbarlow thanks a lot Russ, sorry for my second question but i really love your setup and i would like to do exactly the same with 3 tv for the view and 2 for the air manager. But how do you drive all of that, 1 computer with 2 video card?, can you tell the configuration you are using (cpu and video card type). thanks ciao
This excellent video raises a big question - do I invest in multi-vision or next gen VR. Let’s start with today. Given you have produced so many excellent videos on hardware, help me understand how to fly in VR when one is blind to everything and can only operate controls by feel and one can only see the panel, controls, etc. in the sim. Although I am fortunate to have alpha/bravo/rudder pedals flight controls and have built switch and autopilot panels, I have not been able to bridge anything on my desktop to VR. Seems like two separate worlds. So should flight simmers invest in multi-view or the next generation of VR (which may offer see through to desk)?
Well that’s why I still have a three monitor set up in addition to a VR sim . I have struggled to make VR as easy as possible ( check out my video on Mighty Mouse and Knobster does VR)but it is still not ready for prime time training yet. In the air force part of learning a new plane was the blind cockpit check were you were expected to locate all the switches and controls while blindfolded. You do get used to your sim controls but it is a struggle. When we get Mixed Reality with high rez pass through video we will have arrived. May be a couple or three years off before it is affordable. In the meantime you can’t beat cruising the world in VFR in VR.
Maybe stay tuned to a VR mouse device called PointCTRL. Currently it only supports DCS in theory, due to every game has its own way for VR cursor implementation. The dev will provide support for MSFS2020 once the backlog of the production cleared to a degree that he can invest more time to software development. That should solve the problem of hitting switches. It can control knobs more easier and accurately than using VR controllers but not in an intuitive way; And I have some idea for the knobs though not proven IRL: buy/diy some device that have the shape/dimension close to the real one and put them in a position that relatively closer to where it is in the real cockpit, to help operate them easier. Or just use a bunch of knobs that has shapes that distinguishable in blind. For the kneeboard, application such as the OpenKneeboard that uses a real pen/drawing tablet as the physical drawing board could be helpful.
@@rbarlow Do you randomly select commenters for prizes and then ask for shipping fees? I received an en email that appears to be from UA-cam telling me I was a winner, a Sony laptop, and that I just needed to send $150 for shipping.
@@stevechalmers3607 If you had read that response carefully you would notice it was not from me. It was from a Gmail account UA-cam channel called “text me at telegram 👉@Russ_Barlow”. I would have no way to email you as I don’t have your address” I manually deleted hundreds of comments of that phishing scam but more may have appeare. I blame google but I haven’t found a way to report it to them’
Is there anyway to have less angle on the side screens? I use 3 across the windshield of my a320 and I would like to use multi view to show an accurate view out the windshield only, any thoughts? Thanks
Great video and explanation Russ. I run 3x32" Samsung curved monitors in a "panoramic" setup following the curve of the monitors in Nvidia surround, hate the stretching in flight sims (IL-2\DCS\BMS Falcon). Do you think Multiview will become available outside of MSFS for use in other sims? I believe iRacing has it's own solution, sure wish others did..
I'm also running 3 x 32" Samsungs (G5s in my case). I was at least able to set up DCS (just got into it) with OK view without stretching. Might still need a bit more tweaking with the lua files though.
@@UndeadParrot yes, mine are Samsung LC32G53TQWUXEN (G5's I believe) 144hz GSync. I'll look into the DCS lua procedure, but it would be great if there was a native Win11 or Nvidia solution..
@@gradocchio If you don’t have any other displays (for MFDs etc), you should be able to select 3 displays from settings.
Just make sure the left display is selected as main display.
@@UndeadParrot actually I do and extract MFDs to 2 8" lilliputs using Helios. My resolution in DCS is (IIRC) 7680x 2240.
@@gradocchio In that case, you might have to go with the lua editing route. It's not that difficult though, I spent something like hour or so tweaking the settings.
Hi Russ. Can you share your graphics settings and frame rates with the 5 monitor setup?
I'm finding with my Ryzen 5900x, RTX 3080, 32 Gb RAM, and M.2 Hard drive I'm getting 20 FPS on the ground and about 25FPS at 3000' in populated areas on High Graphics settings. Coming in to land in pupulated areas I'm dropping below 20 FPS and stuttering. Sacrificing high/ultra graphics for the realism of a multiview 5 screen setup is killing me, but i can't go back to surround and I can't bring myself to do any less than 5 monitors.