I had some questions referencing the aerodynamic loss of the hoods and basically accused me of talking BS. Here's a photograph visually showing the difference. www.hambini.com/20220829_142512/ The loss is significant and aggravated because the hood does not see disturbed air, it's out in front of the bike. You can mitigate the loss by holding the hoods but that increases the system drag versus holding the drops. The rim/cable actuation is considerably smaller. This is in addition to the loss from the discs. Whilst I accept that the industry is moving to Disc brakes, from an aerodynamic perspective, they are inferior.
"Disc brakes allow the bike and wheels to be more aerodynamic." Yeah, right. What about the extra spokes to structurally support the rims, is that more aerodynamic? And rotational drag from the disc and calipers? And wider is faster? It's not science they're selling anymore. It's now gone to selling snake oil. Glad there are some frames out there that brakes the mould of selling snake oil. Haha
I think those shifters could be installed lower in the handlebar, and be more streamlined with the rest of the bar. In the sl7 photo, they are way too high.
As an owner of both a Time VXRS (rim brake) and a Giant TCR Pro (disc), I can say that I can tell the differences in the rides. The Time is superior for longer days in the saddle, but the Giant accelerates better. Both handle the curves with aplomb as the geometries are very similar. But as I'm in my 50s and not lining up for the TdF anytime soon, I don't really care about any aerodynamic losses from the discs. The braking performance is better in all conditions and especially great in the wet. Also, having been a wheel builder for nearly 40 years, I can tell you that you can have lighter, stronger wheels with discs as the rim doesn't have to do a second job that requires additional material and strengthening. That also lowers the rotational weight for climbing and faster overall acceleration. But I'm just some punter that likes your videos.
Time's customer service is exemplary. We have been dealing with Time for many years at Athlete Service. Last year one customer discovered that the aluminium bb shell on his 11 year old VXRS had corroded away. We sent his frame back to Time who completely repaired it, without cost. And another whose old frame had developed a tiny hairline crack around the top of the seat tube, under the seat post clamp. They sent him a new ADH frameset, again completely free of charge. They are currently manufacturing a replacement fork for a crash damaged 14 year old frameset, this time quite reasonably for a cost. Another customer who cracked his seats try, they replaced the rear triangle foc, that or it was a brand new frame because we couldn't tell the difference. Now we have a handful of ADHX framesets, and have one built up and ridden. Amazing bike to ride.
Hi Hambini. It's Jean here from the Time Marketing Department. Thanks for the positive review. I'm glad you enjoyed your three week all expenses paid trip to France. You are welcome back anytime and the Ferrari will be at your disposal on your next visit. Sorry you had to make do with the Bentley. All the best and keep up the unbiased (wink) reviews. JEAN
@@Hambini that'll be why mine has a "made in European union" badge on it and a cheeky little tricolor? 100% get what you mean about build quality though
"Hambini on top of Liz Hurley" being now the new industry reference for speed? One of the best review so far where you can just feel the sheer passion with the rant toned down a bit.
‘The fastest thing since me on Elizabeth Hurley…” Hambini aged 5. For the last 3 years, this is one of the many reasons I love this channel. Oh and always the engineering analysis. ;)
Bought an Time ADH21 earlier this year, rim brakes, DA9100 mechanical, far sports 45mm wheels, best bike I’ve ever owned. Simple, reliable, light, and beautiful.
I picked up an ADH21 last year after warrantying my Canyon (BB shell warped) and the difference is noticeable. Canyon feels like made of plastic, ADH21 is stiffer than
@@Reanimator999 yep it ovalized and even wrapping a BB with 1mm of tape, I could take it in/out of my frame with just my fingers. Canyon over the phone told me "how surprised they were because this NEVER happens" hahaha sure...
I followed your advice and bought an alpe d'huez frame (1 year ago), put your bb in and the tolerances were perfect, mounted everything Dura Ace except the brakes (ee brake) and carbon tubulars. It works just PERFECT and it weighs just 6,5Kg with everything (pedals, Garmin and empty bottles)!!!! Thanks Hambini
@@PhiyackYuh yes. I have 5 road bikes. 2 disk and 3 with rim brakes. I mounted all of them and the Time is, without any doubt, the one that presents the best quality of materials and in wich the measures are true and correct
Hambini got some big bolox, he bent his saddle from the weight of his sacks. Great video, that bike is beautiful! I'm not even sure I can afford to look at it. Awesome.
Or follow his advice to go with 105, in Di2 there is no cabling or jxn box as the levers are bluetooth connected to the deraillers, but your frame has to be disc ready.
Hambini's engineering analysis really convinced to get Time bike as my next road bike as well. Simply because I didn't want to waste my hard earned money on crap quality bike pretending as high quality bike. I got myself TIme Izon which is the predecessor to Alpe d'huez. I got it with good deal ($2K USD for whole bike) with power meter in great condition. So what frame color did you get for your Alpe d'huez? Mine is black with clear lacquer coat.
@@Reanimator999 You are right, he ruled out all the other Brands I was looking to. BMC, Cervelo, Scott etc. The first Time Hambini mentioned Time on his channel i started my research about RTM, the braiding they do and the whole process and was hooked. The frames are not very easy to obtain in Germany, in fact I had to buy the frame without ever seeing it in person or trying the bike. My Frame already came made in Slovakia and is the all flat black model. That was the only bummer for me, you don't see the beautiful Carbon Weave, but there was no choice. Took the Aktiv fork as well, because I am not a big weight weenie. Had it built with Ultegra DI2 Groupset, DT Swiss PR 1400 Dicut Wheels at around 6000 Euro. Not a bargain, but 2 years ago it looked really bad for Time so I was in fear they go out of business completely so I took the frame. But not regretting anything, it is beautiful.
@@masatsune3493It is beautiful bike. Well, Bianchi has that famous green color I like, but a paint job alone can't prove the superior quality. It was a good call to take the Activ fork. My Izon has Activ fork too and I still need test it on well paved road, not on pot-hole filled streets of San Francisco. Just like you, RTM is what convinced me to get Time bike. About the flat black color, I think it's not a bad idea to do custom paint or custom vinyl wrap. Their frames are already sold in red, blue, and other colors so why not?
No other bike in all of Raoul's cut-ups looked as cleanly molded as the Time. Just beautiful.... I can only wonder: An engineer designing a frame made of 200-300 pieces of uni-directional would have more tunability in terms of local and global stiffness. The machine Time uses to weave their frame always looks (no pun) amazing. Thanks, Hambini I learn something everytime.
Thanks for sharing your review of the Scylon. Personally, I bought a TIME VXR frameset in 2002 and I still use it and love it. It just works nicely all the "time". I've also had many other bike brands over the years (TREK, Cervelo, Pinarello, Colnago, Canyon .. etc) and they just do not compare. They only reason I have not upgraded to a Scylon is that I do not race any more, so I just don't have a need for it.
Nice review. I have owned a Skylon (made in the old a French factory). 7 years on it & it has been flawless. Had to do a little modification to the internal shifting wiring to make it shift perfect but nothing major. Longest time I have owned a frame in 40 years of riding. There isn’t anything produced that I would replace it with.
I commented "So if the maths are correct, this newest bike is 700% stiffer than the same bike from 6 years ago, if marketing is to be believed..." *Crickets*
i've got a 2022 Scylon with the mass damper and what seems to be a much shorter seat post than yours...after some absurd confusion during the ordering process i ended with one painted matte grey and unfortunately its extremely easy to chip and there doesn't seem to be any touch up paint available. You commented you didnt know what Time customer service was like...i contacted them to ask for digital copies of their decals so i could get some new ones made and they could not have been more helpful or accommodating. As you mentioned, the bike was a joy to assemble, i run AXS and some Jagwire elite cables so the front end look reasonably tidy too.
The real reason why Dave Arthur doesn't ride his rim brake tourer anymore is that he has about 10 disc-braked press bikes sat in his garage wanting a review. 😉
Would love to see a Campagnolo Super Record EPS group set on that bike. The carbon crankset would set off the Time paint finish lovely. Anyway who doesn’t love a hirth coupling, beats a splined design for engineering aesthetics.
When something is excellent you often don't notice - because it just works. I had a chance to buy a second-hand Time but instead purchased a new Focus Izalco Max. Well now I have some lovely BB creak to listen to every day.
Not sure which BB new Izalco Max uses, but one-piece BSA adapter for older versions with BB30 worked wonders. Anything BB30/PF30 etc... I just convert them to BSA
Sorry for my unsolicited advice. Between you, me & all other SMP users. I switched to a Berk Lupina saddle. It's particularly flimsy in comparison, but that flimsiness creates more comfort than expected. Every time I get back on the SMP, I'm surprised how stiff the base of the saddle is. An SMP isn't exactly nice to look at nor very lightweight, if you would consider an upgrade, then a lightweight carbon saddle or 3D printed one is something to consider.
@@BartSchrijvers I am still waiting on Selle Italia to release (here in the states at least ☹) their versions of printed saddles. I HOPE that all of the marketing hype about them being better at preventing hot spots/saddle sores/aching sit bones/etc. is more reality than said 'hype', especially for the price$ all of these manufacturers are asking for them.
I have an Alpe d'Huez 01 for 2 years. Building it up with Campa Record 11 was a joy in itself. Seat stem and fork plug went inside as a piston compressing air. And as ride quality goes... my other bike is an S-W Tarmac, which is not bad... Time does everything just a bit better. Stiffer, lighter, more vibration absorbing, dociler handling... just enough for pure joy to ride.
On your advice I bought a 2018 or 2019 Alpe d’Huez 01 last year that was sitting around at some US bike shop. My experience very much mirrors yours, even though I ended up with a disc frame with the aktiv add-on. The build quality is spectacular, and installing your BB was arguably the easiest thing to do of the build. The handling is leagues better than my TCR and I find the ride to just be more enjoyable on a whole. The only flaw I would say is that I don’t think the aktiv fork makes much difference to Chicago potholes, but nothing really would. For US viewers, there is a TIME sales branch in the states and I’ve found them to be very responsive and easy to deal with. Purchasing a stem and a di2 grommet kit was painless and quite quick. If I ever buy another bike, it’ll surely be a TIME. They are simply that good.
Interesting that you too own a TCR. I have the 2023 version w/ SLR 1 wheels 42mm deep. Decent looking bike but a couple days ago I found Time after I have forgotten about it years ago and now re-discovered Alpe D'Huez 2023 and 2024. I totally fell in love with it. I must say I was eyeing a ton of famous brands as I used to ride Pinarellos back in the 90s and all the aero frames kind of pulled me in, but when I saw the new D'Huez it was love at first sight. I don't think I have ever seen anything so simple yet so beautiful and seemingly perfectly built. I can't afford the whole bike, but I realized I didn't need it. I can simply buy the frame which I'm planning on, but here comes another dilemma: paint job! They are painted so incredibly well that each color looks so freaking fantastic that it is extremely hard to pick one. I mean, I didn't particularly like the black one until I realized that it ain't even black but just carbon fibres lacquered which then made me go WHOAH!!! So, what color did you go with?
Can you make a Tier-list of bikebrands you’ve experience with from best to shite manufacturing? Would be interesting and definitely something i would keep in mind buying a new bike.
I think he just did. The impression I get is that, for most of us, you'd have to spend far more money than you would ever want to to get a "good frame" from an engineering perspective. With the unfortunate caveat that there's no guarantee spending a ton of money will achieve that. In that sense, buy a Time if you have the money. The rest of us can rest easy knowing that, unless the BB or something else is massively out of whack, we won't be able to tell the difference if we get a £600 frame anyway. e.g the cranks in the BB in my bikes spins freely and the BB doesn't appear to be getting excessive wear, the frame hasn't cracked or fallen to pieces. Ergo I consider that a win. Would someone like Hambini taking a closer look, using proper measuring devices tell a different story? Quite possibly. But am I going to spend £3.5k (which their website says doesn't include tax or import duties) to get something like the Scylon that's nominally engineered better? Not a fucking chance.
One issue with the quickset headset worth noting is that if you sweat on it, and dont service it, after a while it will seize and be extremely difficult to dissemble unless you have something like Rost Off. I picked up a secondhand RXRS from a negligent owner and scarred the quickset headset cap trying to take it off. Another thing worth emphasizing is the Skylon is a harsh ride. Big bumps are very efficiently transmitted to your hands and rear end. OTH it feels fast, its got that unique Time gliding ride quality.
10:00 although the Time BB looks to be rounder than the other ones, the comparison in the PowerPoint is not good. The scales heavily favours the Time because the scale is larger.
If it wasn't scaled the visual difference to the eye would be imperceptible, even though the difference is still massively consequential when it comes to BB performance. This sort of scaling practise of graphics is pretty standard in the world of science and engineering communication, its purpose is to illustrate the data as hambini has mentioned in the past.
@@DomH1994The only three bikes I've ever owned with press fit bottom brackets were a Klein Attitude, a Time Fluidity and a Scylon. I have never had a creaking issue with any of them, and I didn't use anything but light grease on the surfaces. The precision matters a lot.
I also noticed David Arthurs choice of words there. He can't ride one of his finest bikes because of tire size and rim brakes. 😩 I guess I need a new bike. The Time sounds excellent. Great channel Hambini.
lol "one of the finest bikes I've ever owned, I don't ride it anymore because it has rim brakes".... that made me laugh so much. Yeah ok, stop riding that lovely steel frame bike because of rim brakes.. brilliant. Looks like Time have made a very high quality frame there. Also good to see an unbiased review. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure rim brakes have been used for many many decades and worked perfectly well in all those grand tours down some of the steepest mountains known to man... amazing that now the bike industry says we all need disc brakes on our road bikes... hmmmmm
This is the kind of review we are missing. Normal guy on his bike. $4000 frame, evidently well made and the reviewer compares it to a $500 frame and when he's on the bike, he could not tell the difference. I have no doubt that Hambini is giving his honest opinion but it says a lot for the strength of bike marketing. Expressions of stiffness and compliance are common buzz words. Then you have the engineering society praising Time for their engineering quality and the cycling press are happy enough to shill bikes that have had global recall son their handlebars (Trek and specialized)
You are right, it's a nice frame and well made but you can't discernibly tell the difference between this and a decent Aliexpress frame. Both will do the job sufficiently well in terms of what you can feel. You could argue the Time is over engineered or you are paying for European labour but fundamentally, if the test was blind. I don't think anyone would be able to tell the difference. If you weigh in the other things like what it looks like and the badge appeal, then it would sway towards Time but on a performance front, I stand by my comment and say you would be hard pressed to be able to tell the difference. Winspace review is coming up shortly, so that will give a comparison to High End direct to Market CN.
@@Hambini I think a lot can be said about buying into a reliable brand. It is a good thing that it is made in Europe, which support local workers and businesses. But you can also go to a shop and try the bike out. There is customer support and you local shop makes some money. You can't buy a bike from a picture on the internet. Stop buying them online and support your local bike mechanic.
@@Hambini I've been riding the Winspace T1500 aero bike for over a year now and I'm thoroughly impressed with its performance and value. So will be very curious to see your review on this one.
I'm surprised no one's taken a bunch of 'stock' bikes from various manufacturers, strapped a bunch of NVH sensors on 'em, then ridden the same long test route with each bike. You could empirically show which bikes are the 'stiffest' or 'compliant'. That'd actually be useful data. I suspect that NVH wouldn't vary much between frames...
I have crashed my Time a handful of times and broken bones in some of those and smashed my collarbone in one. I've replaced groupset components and the hanger a couple of times. The frame is still in perfect shape, the only damage I have is superficial and due to dropping my chain.
3:38 ah yes the new road bike meta, Fat bike tires and 140mm disc brakes thad are so thin they rub after a medium brake load. Also covered head to toe with colling holes where the pads touch the disc so there is no surface area left to use.
Thanks brokowski!!! I’m having a custom build being done next week as well…mechanical Campangolo Chorus 10spd, Voce shifters (cost savings), Centaur 50/39 aluminum crank (no delamination), and cew others I’ll hit you up on-it later;-)
Are the Centaur (or even Chorus) 10 speed alloy cranks still being manufactured, or did you find then as NOS, or have them from a previous build?? I ask because my most recent fitting required pedal spindle extenders. With all of the dire warnings against using them in carbon crank arms (even fairly strong ones!), I am considering swapping out my 2010 vintage Campy Record CT Ultra Torque compacts for those.
I've had 4 Times. The first was the First model which developed a crack near the head tube. They replaced it with an Edge. That one is 13 years old now and I passed it along to my tall daughter. The next was a VRS Fluidity Aktiv which I built w Record 11, very plush. I was able to pick up a two year old Scylon last year. Damn is it fast. I moved the Record over to this frame and built the VRS with Potenza and wide gearing. I love riding the Scylon for up to three hour rides. For long, hilly, crappy roads I'll take the Fluidity. Just finished the 235 mile Ride Across Wisconsin and was quite fresh at the end. I've had no significant issue with harshness. I run 25mm that measures 27 at 85/82psi.
Worked in a high-end shop in Aus, basically our clients were surgeons & dentists, money no issue typez (but very fast & knowledgeable about bicycles) and it was their brand of choice... TIME was always immaculate, pleasure to work on. We had a fleet of them rolling around, nowadays Aus importing has made them less attainable, and that bunch migrated to Pinarello Mate you will not be happy, but some put Campag on their TIME... sorry.. customer is always right ay...
So a bunch of middle ages ass holes who screw their customers to the wall for every little minor procedure and then spend their ill gotten gains on over priced bikes.
@@sbccbc7471 Several were very handy, however, they also had a fleet of bikes so into the service room they would come... I'm talking about the highest echelon of bicycle consumers - to the point where we were receiving Pinarello bikes prior to them being released, the Campy 80th Anniversary grouppo being offered to them, first in the country type of clients. Sometimes ONLY people in the country type of clients
@@tomcassingham6322 At least you have a true high-caliber clientele. Where I live, none of the high-earning riders I've seen so far can conduct even a regular service on their own bikes, they only know how to wash them at most. Some don't even know how to remove a rear wheel. In my customer base, I only have one home mechanic, he just doesn't know how to handle the more technical stuff, yet.
What Time does is prioritizes smooth cable routing vs hidden stem routing. If you use mechanical cables this is an advantage for shifting. That said You could eliminate the drawback by plugging the routing holes and using electronic shifters.
I've always favoured regular internal routing over integrated internal routing, especially on older bikes or where performance isn't a very high priority. They're easier to pack for travelling too.
I've owned a Time NXR for 11 years, a lovely light bike which handles beautifully. Time used to offer lifelong warranties which says a lot about their workmanship.
I have a 30-year-old steel frame 3X7 MTB with rim brakes. Still much very enjoy riding it and I could not give a rat's ass to what some reviewers say about older tech.
MTB performance has hugely improved over the last 20 years in a way road bikes haven't. I'm generally as fast on my 15 year old Trek Madone as my brand new Basso Astra, however when it comes to MTB I am just leagues faster on my 2022 Cotic Jeht vs 2005 Scott Genius - despite the former weighing nearly 5kg more! So while there's still a lot of marketing fluff (and some consumer dead ends e.g. 27.5" wheels) modern geo, bigger wheels, dropper posts, bigger brakes, 1x drivetrains, better tyres, wider bars etc. all add up to modern mountain bikes being much more capable than stuff from back in the day. Saying that we are probably at a bit of a plateau for MTB's as the marketeers are now all on the gravel bike train and all the R&D budgets will be going into those.... Probably by making them more and more like mountain bikes from 30 years ago - I can almost imagine the hype around the 2025 Shimano GRX 3x group set :)
Slovakia?! Woohoo, thats for the first time in ages I feel at least remotely proud about my home country :D BTW I am considering to buy Selle SMP as well, based on all I've read it should be exactly what I am looking for, one big and often overlooked advantage being the length of rails allowing for greater adjustability. I already have omm offset seatpost, yet I would like to push my saddle way more forward and this one should allow that.
Looking at the saddle to bar drop, plus the position of the hoods so much down on the bars...you must be pretty flexible! I wish more reviews were like this one!
Hambone, plz. Most of us aren't dropping $4k on a frame. How about a 'tiers' video where you drop 20 manufacturers into the classic tiers (S through F, or whatever)? We'd get your priceless advice on which brands aren't terrible, and you'd reap the 'views' reward that the algorithm bestows upon 'tiers' videos! I just want both of us to be happy.
Hi Hambini!!! Love the channe. Got 1 question for you. What are your thoughts about the Scott addict RC in terms of quality of the frame, carbon layup etc. Would love to know. Cheers and much appreciated
Hambini would you be able to do an overview of the new Time ADHX? Im close to buying one, but there are no reviews and I’m curious to know whether this Dyneema thing is worth it or just marketing.
Cool video on your Time Road bike,their products are excellent.I still have 8 year old Time Atac pedals with 60000km on them and still going strong,there pedals are best.Safe riding and working.💯👌🏻✌🏻
Raced in weekend in C grade. 1st time in awhile. 3/4 seem to have all upgraded to discs. Faster people were faster. Slower people were slower regardless of what bike the were on. Difference in w/kg to w/drag in people over the group was much greater than the difference in aero savings bt bikes. Range of weights, sizes,genders and bike positions as confounding factors.
Newbie rider: "oh~~ yeah~~I'm going be faster with my latest disc brake aero bike " (under delusion and still not fit) Seasoned rider: (whips Newbie rider's a$$ with his 10-20 year old rim brake road bike) 😆
Cool bike. I love avoiding mainstream bikes. I'm currently looking at getting a Time ADHX frame and getting my LBS to build it with Shimano GRX. Wheels tbc. I have a lot of Hunt wheels, which I like, but might try Winspace.
9:58 I might be reading the graph wrong but it seems the time and canyon are being compared on radicly different scales. Canyon is being measured between 20-20.8 while time gets 20-23. From my understanding, would this not guarantee to make the 20-20.8 look worse by having a jagged looking circle? I'm not saying that the canyon is better but just that the difference would be exxagerated
I had some questions referencing the aerodynamic loss of the hoods and basically accused me of talking BS. Here's a photograph visually showing the difference. www.hambini.com/20220829_142512/ The loss is significant and aggravated because the hood does not see disturbed air, it's out in front of the bike. You can mitigate the loss by holding the hoods but that increases the system drag versus holding the drops. The rim/cable actuation is considerably smaller. This is in addition to the loss from the discs. Whilst I accept that the industry is moving to Disc brakes, from an aerodynamic perspective, they are inferior.
"Disc brakes allow the bike and wheels to be more aerodynamic." Yeah, right. What about the extra spokes to structurally support the rims, is that more aerodynamic? And rotational drag from the disc and calipers? And wider is faster?
It's not science they're selling anymore. It's now gone to selling snake oil.
Glad there are some frames out there that brakes the mould of selling snake oil. Haha
and I go for Peak Torque 180 mm adapter :)
I just can't believe we got some actual Hambini ride footage
I think those shifters could be installed lower in the handlebar, and be more streamlined with the rest of the bar. In the sl7 photo, they are way too high.
As an owner of both a Time VXRS (rim brake) and a Giant TCR Pro (disc), I can say that I can tell the differences in the rides. The Time is superior for longer days in the saddle, but the Giant accelerates better. Both handle the curves with aplomb as the geometries are very similar. But as I'm in my 50s and not lining up for the TdF anytime soon, I don't really care about any aerodynamic losses from the discs. The braking performance is better in all conditions and especially great in the wet. Also, having been a wheel builder for nearly 40 years, I can tell you that you can have lighter, stronger wheels with discs as the rim doesn't have to do a second job that requires additional material and strengthening. That also lowers the rotational weight for climbing and faster overall acceleration.
But I'm just some punter that likes your videos.
Time's customer service is exemplary. We have been dealing with Time for many years at Athlete Service. Last year one customer discovered that the aluminium bb shell on his 11 year old VXRS had corroded away. We sent his frame back to Time who completely repaired it, without cost. And another whose old frame had developed a tiny hairline crack around the top of the seat tube, under the seat post clamp. They sent him a new ADH frameset, again completely free of charge. They are currently manufacturing a replacement fork for a crash damaged 14 year old frameset, this time quite reasonably for a cost. Another customer who cracked his seats try, they replaced the rear triangle foc, that or it was a brand new frame because we couldn't tell the difference. Now we have a handful of ADHX framesets, and have one built up and ridden. Amazing bike to ride.
Hi Hambini. It's Jean here from the Time Marketing Department. Thanks for the positive review. I'm glad you enjoyed your three week all expenses paid trip to France. You are welcome back anytime and the Ferrari will be at your disposal on your next visit. Sorry you had to make do with the Bentley. All the best and keep up the unbiased (wink) reviews. JEAN
Nice thought but they don't have a presence in France any more
@@Hambini hehe. That was the best I had. Long day. 👍
😂
They threw in 5 minute closet visit with Liz Hurley to seal the review
@@Hambini that'll be why mine has a "made in European union" badge on it and a cheeky little tricolor?
100% get what you mean about build quality though
7:07 is really compliant, very responsive, and held its speed well.
Glad to see Hambini maturing enough to provide an industry level type of review.
"Hambini on top of Liz Hurley" being now the new industry reference for speed?
One of the best review so far where you can just feel the sheer passion with the rant toned down a bit.
i heard mapdec say spins up really well the other day, spins up well is prob not the wheel but the weight nd any wind direction like
‘The fastest thing since me on Elizabeth Hurley…” Hambini aged 5. For the last 3 years, this is one of the many reasons I love this channel. Oh and always the engineering analysis. ;)
Lost it at the David Arthur clip. Thank you for the good laugh
Bought an Time ADH21 earlier this year, rim brakes, DA9100 mechanical, far sports 45mm wheels, best bike I’ve ever owned. Simple, reliable, light, and beautiful.
I picked up an ADH21 last year after warrantying my Canyon (BB shell warped) and the difference is noticeable. Canyon feels like made of plastic, ADH21 is stiffer than
Doesn't get much simpler than a bicycle for transport.
@@slownoah423 Really... A BB shell gets waroed. Wow.
@@Reanimator999 yep it ovalized and even wrapping a BB with 1mm of tape, I could take it in/out of my frame with just my fingers. Canyon over the phone told me "how surprised they were because this NEVER happens" hahaha sure...
How light
I followed your advice and bought an alpe d'huez frame (1 year ago), put your bb in and the tolerances were perfect, mounted everything Dura Ace except the brakes (ee brake) and carbon tubulars. It works just PERFECT and it weighs just 6,5Kg with everything (pedals, Garmin and empty bottles)!!!! Thanks Hambini
Pity no pictures. Sounds like a KILLER bike. Enjoy.
Have you compared it to another bike of yours? Dont underestimate the power of belief. Placebo is real.
@@PhiyackYuh yes. I have 5 road bikes. 2 disk and 3 with rim brakes. I mounted all of them and the Time is, without any doubt, the one that presents the best quality of materials and in wich the measures are true and correct
Hambini got some big bolox, he bent his saddle from the weight of his sacks.
Great video, that bike is beautiful! I'm not even sure I can afford to look at it. Awesome.
You can neaten up the di2 wiring and lose that junction box. See my TCR build video. Drill the bars and use the bar end junction box.
He's an amateur at this game 🤓
Or follow his advice to go with 105, in Di2 there is no cabling or jxn box as the levers are bluetooth connected to the deraillers, but your frame has to be disc ready.
@@tednruth453 good one 😂
Because of you I own a Time alpe d'huez 01 since two years. Love it and it is worth every penny. Thanks for pushing me into this direction
Hambini's engineering analysis really convinced to get Time bike as my next road bike as well. Simply because I didn't want to waste my hard earned money on crap quality bike pretending as high quality bike.
I got myself TIme Izon which is the predecessor to Alpe d'huez. I got it with good deal ($2K USD for whole bike) with power meter in great condition.
So what frame color did you get for your Alpe d'huez? Mine is black with clear lacquer coat.
@@Reanimator999 You are right, he ruled out all the other Brands I was looking to. BMC, Cervelo, Scott etc. The first Time Hambini mentioned Time on his channel i started my research about RTM, the braiding they do and the whole process and was hooked. The frames are not very easy to obtain in Germany, in fact I had to buy the frame without ever seeing it in person or trying the bike. My Frame already came made in Slovakia and is the all flat black model. That was the only bummer for me, you don't see the beautiful Carbon Weave, but there was no choice. Took the Aktiv fork as well, because I am not a big weight weenie. Had it built with Ultegra DI2 Groupset, DT Swiss PR 1400 Dicut Wheels at around 6000 Euro. Not a bargain, but 2 years ago it looked really bad for Time so I was in fear they go out of business completely so I took the frame. But not regretting anything, it is beautiful.
@@masatsune3493It is beautiful bike. Well, Bianchi has that famous green color I like, but a paint job alone can't prove the superior quality.
It was a good call to take the Activ fork. My Izon has Activ fork too and I still need test it on well paved road, not on pot-hole filled streets of San Francisco. Just like you, RTM is what convinced me to get Time bike.
About the flat black color, I think it's not a bad idea to do custom paint or custom vinyl wrap. Their frames are already sold in red, blue, and other colors so why not?
Love the David Arthur plug 😂😂
Rim for the win 💪💪
I know what make of bike I’ll be buying next ! 👍🏻 thanks Hambini dude 👍🏻 Rim brake too 😍
Clear finish showing the weave of Scylon frame is simply beautiful. I got my Time Izon and that also shows the weave too.
Thousands of years of baguette making has allowed the lovely people at time to craft the perfect tube shapes. Ooh la la.
Great to see a Hambini David Arthur colab - can't wait to see future UA-cam output - Bottom Bracket Bumchums 😁
No other bike in all of Raoul's cut-ups looked as cleanly molded as the Time. Just beautiful....
I can only wonder: An engineer designing a frame made of 200-300
pieces of uni-directional would have
more tunability in terms of local and global stiffness.
The machine Time uses to weave their frame always looks (no pun)
amazing.
Thanks, Hambini
I learn something everytime.
Thanks for sharing your review of the Scylon. Personally, I bought a TIME VXR frameset in 2002 and I still use it and love it. It just works nicely all the "time". I've also had many other bike brands over the years (TREK, Cervelo, Pinarello, Colnago, Canyon .. etc) and they just do not compare. They only reason I have not upgraded to a Scylon is that I do not race any more, so I just don't have a need for it.
I fucking miss working in manufacturing.
Hearing you say words like concentric and defects makes me nostalgic for a time gone by.
Nice review. I have owned a Skylon (made in the old a French factory). 7 years on it & it has been flawless.
Had to do a little modification to the internal shifting wiring to make it shift perfect but nothing major.
Longest time I have owned a frame in 40 years of riding. There isn’t anything produced that I would replace it with.
Congrats for owning a bike for that long.
What a beautiful endorsement. Riding classic Time Sprint pedals. Super. One day they’ll go on a Time bike. 🙏🏼
That’s some brilliant double think from Mr Arthur
I commented "So if the maths are correct, this newest bike is 700% stiffer than the same bike from 6 years ago, if marketing is to be believed..."
*Crickets*
@@JackofNothingess don’t forget that the bikes should be lighter than air by now as well
i've got a 2022 Scylon with the mass damper and what seems to be a much shorter seat post than yours...after some absurd confusion during the ordering process i ended with one painted matte grey and unfortunately its extremely easy to chip and there doesn't seem to be any touch up paint available. You commented you didnt know what Time customer service was like...i contacted them to ask for digital copies of their decals so i could get some new ones made and they could not have been more helpful or accommodating. As you mentioned, the bike was a joy to assemble, i run AXS and some Jagwire elite cables so the front end look reasonably tidy too.
The real reason why Dave Arthur doesn't ride his rim brake tourer anymore is that he has about 10 disc-braked press bikes sat in his garage wanting a review. 😉
Would love to see a Campagnolo Super Record EPS group set on that bike. The carbon crankset would set off the Time paint finish lovely. Anyway who doesn’t love a hirth coupling, beats a splined design for engineering aesthetics.
Even if to just be different from the 'must have/go-to' Shimano throngs. 😊👍
Finally an honest review, not like David Arthur who’s obviously sponsored for every reviews of the « jolly fast bike » costing way too much money !
My bird loves your delivery and humour, I love your refreshing technical soothsaying.WELL DONE YOU!
Thanks, great review!
Thanks
When something is excellent you often don't notice - because it just works. I had a chance to buy a second-hand Time but instead purchased a new Focus Izalco Max. Well now I have some lovely BB creak to listen to every day.
Not sure which BB new Izalco Max uses, but one-piece BSA adapter for older versions with BB30 worked wonders. Anything BB30/PF30 etc... I just convert them to BSA
@@alexyounghunlee I was thinking of getting the Hambini pf30 one piece
Another user of the Selle SMP. Most comfortable saddle I've ridden. And the beak is there for when you're on the rivet.
Sorry for my unsolicited advice. Between you, me & all other SMP users. I switched to a Berk Lupina saddle. It's particularly flimsy in comparison, but that flimsiness creates more comfort than expected. Every time I get back on the SMP, I'm surprised how stiff the base of the saddle is. An SMP isn't exactly nice to look at nor very lightweight, if you would consider an upgrade, then a lightweight carbon saddle or 3D printed one is something to consider.
@@BartSchrijvers I am still waiting on Selle Italia to release (here in the states at least ☹) their versions of printed saddles.
I HOPE that all of the marketing hype about them being better at preventing hot spots/saddle sores/aching sit bones/etc. is more reality than said 'hype', especially for the price$ all of these manufacturers are asking for them.
Time is like that guy in class who study and successfully pass the exam without cheating and thinking everyone did same.
I have an Alpe d'Huez 01 for 2 years. Building it up with Campa Record 11 was a joy in itself. Seat stem and fork plug went inside as a piston compressing air. And as ride quality goes... my other bike is an S-W Tarmac, which is not bad... Time does everything just a bit better. Stiffer, lighter, more vibration absorbing, dociler handling... just enough for pure joy to ride.
Which Tarmac are you comparing it to? My SL6 rim brake was just written off and I'm trying to figure out how to replace it. Thanks.
@@helenwall3277 it's a 2011 SL3 "Tom Boonen" edition. The last with outside routed cables. I use it for commuting and really without problem.
On your advice I bought a 2018 or 2019 Alpe d’Huez 01 last year that was sitting around at some US bike shop. My experience very much mirrors yours, even though I ended up with a disc frame with the aktiv add-on. The build quality is spectacular, and installing your BB was arguably the easiest thing to do of the build. The handling is leagues better than my TCR and I find the ride to just be more enjoyable on a whole. The only flaw I would say is that I don’t think the aktiv fork makes much difference to Chicago potholes, but nothing really would.
For US viewers, there is a TIME sales branch in the states and I’ve found them to be very responsive and easy to deal with. Purchasing a stem and a di2 grommet kit was painless and quite quick.
If I ever buy another bike, it’ll surely be a TIME. They are simply that good.
Gotta buy one of those off road trophy trucks with 12 inches of suspension travel for the potholes back east lol
@@basedgodstrugglin ...or at least a gravel suspension rally car! 😉
Interesting that you too own a TCR. I have the 2023 version w/ SLR 1 wheels 42mm deep. Decent looking bike but a couple days ago I found Time after I have forgotten about it years ago and now re-discovered Alpe D'Huez 2023 and 2024. I totally fell in love with it. I must say I was eyeing a ton of famous brands as I used to ride Pinarellos back in the 90s and all the aero frames kind of pulled me in, but when I saw the new D'Huez it was love at first sight. I don't think I have ever seen anything so simple yet so beautiful and seemingly perfectly built. I can't afford the whole bike, but I realized I didn't need it. I can simply buy the frame which I'm planning on, but here comes another dilemma: paint job! They are painted so incredibly well that each color looks so freaking fantastic that it is extremely hard to pick one. I mean, I didn't particularly like the black one until I realized that it ain't even black but just carbon fibres lacquered which then made me go WHOAH!!!
So, what color did you go with?
Can you make a Tier-list of bikebrands you’ve experience with from best to shite manufacturing? Would be interesting and definitely something i would keep in mind buying a new bike.
I think he just did. The impression I get is that, for most of us, you'd have to spend far more money than you would ever want to to get a "good frame" from an engineering perspective. With the unfortunate caveat that there's no guarantee spending a ton of money will achieve that. In that sense, buy a Time if you have the money. The rest of us can rest easy knowing that, unless the BB or something else is massively out of whack, we won't be able to tell the difference if we get a £600 frame anyway. e.g the cranks in the BB in my bikes spins freely and the BB doesn't appear to be getting excessive wear, the frame hasn't cracked or fallen to pieces. Ergo I consider that a win. Would someone like Hambini taking a closer look, using proper measuring devices tell a different story? Quite possibly. But am I going to spend £3.5k (which their website says doesn't include tax or import duties) to get something like the Scylon that's nominally engineered better? Not a fucking chance.
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The Liz Hurley comment caught me off guard ahahahaha
The rim brake cartel appreciates your service
Thank you Hambini. You are making the world a better place. Give'n em hell Hambini
The price of used Time Scylons just went up.
One issue with the quickset headset worth noting is that if you sweat on it, and dont service it, after a while it will seize and be extremely difficult to dissemble unless you have something like Rost Off. I picked up a secondhand RXRS from a negligent owner and scarred the quickset headset cap trying to take it off.
Another thing worth emphasizing is the Skylon is a harsh ride. Big bumps are very efficiently transmitted to your hands and rear end. OTH it feels fast, its got that unique Time gliding ride quality.
10:00 although the Time BB looks to be rounder than the other ones, the comparison in the PowerPoint is not good. The scales heavily favours the Time because the scale is larger.
Good point. I hope Hambini is not a sell out. What a loss that would be.
If it wasn't scaled the visual difference to the eye would be imperceptible, even though the difference is still massively consequential when it comes to BB performance. This sort of scaling practise of graphics is pretty standard in the world of science and engineering communication, its purpose is to illustrate the data as hambini has mentioned in the past.
@@DomH1994The only three bikes I've ever owned with press fit bottom brackets were a Klein Attitude, a Time Fluidity and a Scylon. I have never had a creaking issue with any of them, and I didn't use anything but light grease on the surfaces. The precision matters a lot.
Nice to see that there still are well made Bikes made today.
Great to see Hambini in the wild.
The pen is working = gets me every time.
I am still yet to find an appropriate time and place and audience to drop this on
Hambini's work is a masterpiece of engineering.
Hambini single handedly could revive this bike brand 😂
I also noticed David Arthurs choice of words there. He can't ride one of his finest bikes because of tire size and rim brakes. 😩 I guess I need a new bike. The Time sounds excellent. Great channel Hambini.
lol "one of the finest bikes I've ever owned, I don't ride it anymore because it has rim brakes".... that made me laugh so much. Yeah ok, stop riding that lovely steel frame bike because of rim brakes.. brilliant. Looks like Time have made a very high quality frame there. Also good to see an unbiased review. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure rim brakes have been used for many many decades and worked perfectly well in all those grand tours down some of the steepest mountains known to man... amazing that now the bike industry says we all need disc brakes on our road bikes... hmmmmm
This is the kind of review we are missing. Normal guy on his bike. $4000 frame, evidently well made and the reviewer compares it to a $500 frame and when he's on the bike, he could not tell the difference. I have no doubt that Hambini is giving his honest opinion but it says a lot for the strength of bike marketing. Expressions of stiffness and compliance are common buzz words.
Then you have the engineering society praising Time for their engineering quality and the cycling press are happy enough to shill bikes that have had global recall son their handlebars (Trek and specialized)
You are right, it's a nice frame and well made but you can't discernibly tell the difference between this and a decent Aliexpress frame. Both will do the job sufficiently well in terms of what you can feel. You could argue the Time is over engineered or you are paying for European labour but fundamentally, if the test was blind. I don't think anyone would be able to tell the difference. If you weigh in the other things like what it looks like and the badge appeal, then it would sway towards Time but on a performance front, I stand by my comment and say you would be hard pressed to be able to tell the difference.
Winspace review is coming up shortly, so that will give a comparison to High End direct to Market CN.
@@Hambini I think a lot can be said about buying into a reliable brand. It is a good thing that it is made in Europe, which support local workers and businesses. But you can also go to a shop and try the bike out. There is customer support and you local shop makes some money. You can't buy a bike from a picture on the internet. Stop buying them online and support your local bike mechanic.
@@Hambini I've been riding the Winspace T1500 aero bike for over a year now and I'm thoroughly impressed with its performance and value. So will be very curious to see your review on this one.
I'm surprised no one's taken a bunch of 'stock' bikes from various manufacturers, strapped a bunch of NVH sensors on 'em, then ridden the same long test route with each bike. You could empirically show which bikes are the 'stiffest' or 'compliant'. That'd actually be useful data.
I suspect that NVH wouldn't vary much between frames...
The Trek issue stems from some fatso breaking his handlebars in Australia. It’s not built for 120kg riders.
Please do a LOOK 795 BLADE RS analysis
Hambini riding a bike?! What a well made CGI! 🤪😁
Great vid, great bike. Love the ride part. Can't wait for the Christmas special!
Chris
this video is particularly hilarious, even for hambini standards. your build is a huge inspiration for my own road bike. thank you!
I have crashed my Time a handful of times and broken bones in some of those and smashed my collarbone in one. I've replaced groupset components and the hanger a couple of times. The frame is still in perfect shape, the only damage I have is superficial and due to dropping my chain.
Have you enquired with your surgeon and Time customer service to see if they can try and repair your bones with RTM tubing instead ?
Which frameset?
@@Edwin-fw4rh Alpe d’Huez w/Aktiv fork!
Yes man. Wicked review. Superb bike.
New Time manufacturing video a must see
Very, very worth watching: ua-cam.com/video/5bQQqJ3r20E/v-deo.html
3:38 ah yes the new road bike meta, Fat bike tires and 140mm disc brakes thad are so thin they rub after a medium brake load.
Also covered head to toe with colling holes where the pads touch the disc so there is no surface area left to use.
Bugger, just when you had me convinced to buy Chinese you show this! Beautiful looking bike.
Thanks brokowski!!! I’m having a custom build being done next week as well…mechanical Campangolo Chorus 10spd, Voce shifters (cost savings), Centaur 50/39 aluminum crank (no delamination), and cew others I’ll hit you up on-it later;-)
Are the Centaur (or even Chorus) 10 speed alloy cranks still being manufactured, or did you find then as NOS, or have them from a previous build??
I ask because my most recent fitting required pedal spindle extenders.
With all of the dire warnings against using them in carbon crank arms (even fairly strong ones!), I am considering swapping out my 2010 vintage Campy Record CT Ultra Torque compacts for those.
Besides the gonzo nose saddle that bike is beautiful!
For some reason i find myself excited after this vid , I love how you rubbed that top tube
I've had 4 Times. The first was the First model which developed a crack near the head tube. They replaced it with an Edge. That one is 13 years old now and I passed it along to my tall daughter. The next was a VRS Fluidity Aktiv which I built w Record 11, very plush. I was able to pick up a two year old Scylon last year. Damn is it fast. I moved the Record over to this frame and built the VRS with Potenza and wide gearing. I love riding the Scylon for up to three hour rides. For long, hilly, crappy roads I'll take the Fluidity. Just finished the 235 mile Ride Across Wisconsin and was quite fresh at the end. I've had no significant issue with harshness. I run 25mm that measures 27 at 85/82psi.
Worked in a high-end shop in Aus, basically our clients were surgeons & dentists, money no issue typez (but very fast & knowledgeable about bicycles) and it was their brand of choice... TIME was always immaculate, pleasure to work on. We had a fleet of them rolling around, nowadays Aus importing has made them less attainable, and that bunch migrated to Pinarello
Mate you will not be happy, but some put Campag on their TIME... sorry.. customer is always right ay...
So a bunch of middle ages ass holes who screw their customers to the wall for every little minor procedure and then spend their ill gotten gains on over priced bikes.
How many of the clients are capable of working on their own bike(s)?
@@sbccbc7471 These are smart people, they can do anything they want to. Time is their enemy, that's all. (not the bike company)
@@sbccbc7471 Several were very handy, however, they also had a fleet of bikes so into the service room they would come... I'm talking about the highest echelon of bicycle consumers - to the point where we were receiving Pinarello bikes prior to them being released, the Campy 80th Anniversary grouppo being offered to them, first in the country type of clients. Sometimes ONLY people in the country type of clients
@@tomcassingham6322 At least you have a true high-caliber clientele. Where I live, none of the high-earning riders I've seen so far can conduct even a regular service on their own bikes, they only know how to wash them at most. Some don't even know how to remove a rear wheel.
In my customer base, I only have one home mechanic, he just doesn't know how to handle the more technical stuff, yet.
Wow this was a nice change of pace Bini.
Nice to see Lord Hambini outside in the big wide world! Brilliant although I appreciate a roasting can't always be outside! Good on ya
an honest man, amazingly new
Did David Arthur say that narrow tyres and rim brakes don't work and are completely useless?
What Time does is prioritizes smooth cable routing vs hidden stem routing. If you use mechanical cables this is an advantage for shifting. That said You could eliminate the drawback by plugging the routing holes and using electronic shifters.
I've always favoured regular internal routing over integrated internal routing, especially on older bikes or where performance isn't a very high priority. They're easier to pack for travelling too.
This video proper made me chuckle after a shit day in the office. Cheers buddy.
Thanks Hambini, you star. I've heard they're very well made, from other sources too. Good to know they're still available in Rim 👑 version too. 🧐
Thanks for being honest especially on "how it rides": it's a double triangle frame. So many others spend so much time and words on road bike handling
I've owned a Time NXR for 11 years, a lovely light bike which handles beautifully. Time used to offer lifelong warranties which says a lot about their workmanship.
I have a 30-year-old steel frame 3X7 MTB with rim brakes. Still much very enjoy riding it and I could not give a rat's ass to what some reviewers say about older tech.
The best ride the ride you love. Keep rocking your MTB.
MTB performance has hugely improved over the last 20 years in a way road bikes haven't.
I'm generally as fast on my 15 year old Trek Madone as my brand new Basso Astra, however when it comes to MTB I am just leagues faster on my 2022 Cotic Jeht vs 2005 Scott Genius - despite the former weighing nearly 5kg more!
So while there's still a lot of marketing fluff (and some consumer dead ends e.g. 27.5" wheels) modern geo, bigger wheels, dropper posts, bigger brakes, 1x drivetrains, better tyres, wider bars etc. all add up to modern mountain bikes being much more capable than stuff from back in the day.
Saying that we are probably at a bit of a plateau for MTB's as the marketeers are now all on the gravel bike train and all the R&D budgets will be going into those.... Probably by making them more and more like mountain bikes from 30 years ago - I can almost imagine the hype around the 2025 Shimano GRX 3x group set :)
Slovakia?! Woohoo, thats for the first time in ages I feel at least remotely proud about my home country :D BTW I am considering to buy Selle SMP as well, based on all I've read it should be exactly what I am looking for, one big and often overlooked advantage being the length of rails allowing for greater adjustability. I already have omm offset seatpost, yet I would like to push my saddle way more forward and this one should allow that.
Hambini is absolutely savage with the slammed stem!!
damn. I don't know what it is about the sound of carbon bikes passing. I love it.
Great video...convinced me to finally mount my brake levers on the back of my seat post...top that aero effect!
Thank you Mr. Hambini.
Does my eyes deceive me? A clean Hambini bike? Bullocks! You blew my mind! This is a dream bike to me. Nice video!
Is that clean?
Love the on the road shots!
Looking at the saddle to bar drop, plus the position of the hoods so much down on the bars...you must be pretty flexible! I wish more reviews were like this one!
Hambone, plz. Most of us aren't dropping $4k on a frame. How about a 'tiers' video where you drop 20 manufacturers into the classic tiers (S through F, or whatever)? We'd get your priceless advice on which brands aren't terrible, and you'd reap the 'views' reward that the algorithm bestows upon 'tiers' videos!
I just want both of us to be happy.
Love the SMP saddle.
I watch this channel just for hambini comments they are hilarious even though I love cycling.
Hi Hambini!!! Love the channe. Got 1 question for you. What are your thoughts about the Scott addict RC in terms of quality of the frame, carbon layup etc. Would love to know. Cheers and much appreciated
I almost went to work for Time recently, because your hair is inspiring.
Hambini would you be able to do an overview of the new Time ADHX? Im close to buying one, but there are no reviews and I’m curious to know whether this Dyneema thing is worth it or just marketing.
@hambini why is your bb pf41 bb86 out of stock. I want to buy your bottom bracket please…
Cool video on your Time Road bike,their products are excellent.I still have 8 year old Time Atac pedals with 60000km on them and still going strong,there pedals are best.Safe riding and working.💯👌🏻✌🏻
Raced in weekend in C grade. 1st time in awhile. 3/4 seem to have all upgraded to discs. Faster people were faster. Slower people were slower regardless of what bike the were on. Difference in w/kg to w/drag in people over the group was much greater than the difference in aero savings bt bikes. Range of weights, sizes,genders and bike positions as confounding factors.
Newbie rider: "oh~~ yeah~~I'm going be faster with my latest disc brake aero bike " (under delusion and still not fit)
Seasoned rider: (whips Newbie rider's a$$ with his 10-20 year old rim brake road bike) 😆
Rumor has it that narrow tires and rim brakes stole Arvid Davthur's wife. He's never forgiven them.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Holy shit. I am GOING TO STEAL THIS
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nicely information Engineering Hambini big thanks
Cool bike. I love avoiding mainstream bikes. I'm currently looking at getting a Time ADHX frame and getting my LBS to build it with Shimano GRX. Wheels tbc. I have a lot of Hunt wheels, which I like, but might try Winspace.
I must say I do like the look of the top-tube going into the headtube, Not bad but good....
"Everything's stiff" especially Tyrone. Enjoy that ride Frenchie.
9:58 I might be reading the graph wrong but it seems the time and canyon are being compared on radicly different scales. Canyon is being measured between 20-20.8 while time gets 20-23.
From my understanding, would this not guarantee to make the 20-20.8 look worse by having a jagged looking circle? I'm not saying that the canyon is better but just that the difference would be exxagerated
"I loved that bike but I never ride it anymore".....glad i wasnt the only one that picked that up
Please Hambini, join the ChainWaxMafia!!!! Your Scylon will look twice as nice...
Very informative, really enjoyed that.
Loved Time frames. Used to have a VXRS. If I ever sell my hairdresser, I will get a Skylon in a heartbeat!
Hambini loves those saddles with the beaks, 'cause his hairdresser recommended them
Massive Time fan….best frames and best pedals!!