Swiss Cheese X BMC Bike Frame REAMED | Grade A Wankateering
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2022
- This overpriced bag of crap, BMC frame, turned up with a nun's foofie undersized oval bottom bracket and a front mech hanger that looks like it has been designed by a four year old. Amateurish engineering that even shows a lack of common sense.
The brake hose was found to have been fixed with epoxy, it's not clear who did that but it was freed and that took the creak away. The poor bottom bracket life was remedied by fixing the undersizing and correcting the alignment. The owner reinstalled an old Shimano bottom bracket and has creaking and poor bearing life went away.
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So for a bike that has won more classics than anything else, you are over the top in your criticism! For starters this is a 6 year old model that has been through the wear and tear of at least two owners. All the pros have used this brand and raved about it! its a fast good bike and you are just being a right @£$head about bike engineering!
This, after all, is a bike and not an aircraft!
I'm beginning to think you are just over the top on what bicycle engineering means.
You should put your money where your mouth is and get out of your garage/bedroom and start designing for bike companies.
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@@alxhiding hold my beer
I'm ready for Nik Fledge reaming
Where did you get the copium you're huffing from? Must be some strong stuff
Is this the CEO of BMC?
When the bottom bracket alignment looks like a Venn Diagram.
That GCN video of a TT bike and position being slower than the road bike position.... Wow
I wonder if someone was having a laugh at GCN to see how brainwashable cyclists were. Ridiculous.
As a non engineer, I thought it was dubious. I'm glad I was not the only one.
what video?
@@MrBusunglueck . A video from 2 weeks ago when one of their sponsors road bikes was faster than a banned Lotus 109/110 or whatever number. Hambini commented on it in 1 of his most recent videos.
"Can We Beat A Bike So Fast It Was Banned? | Lotus 110 Vs Modern Superbike"
Could it be from the wheels and tyres? Wrong wheels, tyres and tubes with wrong pressure on one side, perfection on the other? I'm faster every year because I run the latest conti GP with latex, those 100pc make a difference.
Other than that, I agree their results make no sense.
This made it so much easier to choose a Look over a BMC
"It is Dry But Reamed no less"... I spat my coffee out. This channel has the perfect mix of sarcasm, self deprecation and utter stupidity. It's no longer about the bikes. Keep it coming!
You could always watch the shill channels.
@@Hambini - I assume you mean GCN who think that lighter is faster and faster is better? The same people who rode a standard "aero bike" faster than a Lotus which was so fast that it was ruled illegal? Perhaps someone should have explained fit to them.
I don't even ride and I'm subscribed^^
I really like the idea to shine a light where it's not supposed to shine. Great illustration of the opening "roundness".
Thanks for featuring my handle bar issue Hambini. New handle bars have been supplied and fitted. Interesting to see what the mode of failure was. Hate to be riding a time bomb.
The Robert Axle Project, I believe started by making Thru Axles that allowed people to use popular trailers that attached via QR with their new TA bikes. This has now evolved into a (mostly successful) attempt to make it easy to buy a QUALITY axle of any type, size, standard for any bike in one place. Not too dissimilar to what you do with BB's to be honest.
i have one on my rear axle. i can attest to its build quality
I bought one so my bike to fit my indoor trainer. After placing the order with The Head Office, they emailed me a local supplier to save me on freight! Great customer service.
I also use Robert Axle Project axles on my bikes. I’ve been very impressed with mine.
RAP as mentioned makes nice axles but makes them with a different end than what came on the bike in case you didn’t like that method.
They have two main selling point for me so far.
1) Their axle don't taper in the middle. I've seen a case where (Specialized) axle taper heavily in the middle where some hub (DT180) bearings supposed to rest on.
2) All axle I bought from them use 6mm hex key. I'm so annoyed by some bike that use 6mm key in the front and 5mm in the rear that whenever I found one, I immediately replace the 5mm head axle with RAP so that I can use just 6mm key on both axles.
HELLO HAMBINI!🔥💪 Another good one from a 5 year old 🥰
Kudos to Hambini for this little anecdote. Previously ive never seen the relevance of where Hambini delves into the topic of crosswind stability for wheels until now. Back when I was poor id have 30 mm deep wheels on my bike. Later I got some 50s and never noticed the difference.I love doing time trilas but just ran with the 50s on- didn't have any issues. I recently bought some 88mm deep wheels for the TT bike.Realised they are considerably faster- when its not windy its like free speed. But there is serious trade off between the speed of the wheels and crosswind stability. The 88mm are really unstable. Hadn't realised what the relvance of what Hambini was talking about until now.
Hambini ! Thank you for continually holding these companies accountable for crap product!
Thank you Hambini for pointing out obvious design and manufacturing flaws! To the person who said you were over the top I don't see it. People pay ridiculous $ for these bikes and should receive a fair value for what they pay. FYI - BB Infinite has a remedy for the design flaw of the press fit bottom brackets. They make a 1 piece so the bearings stay in alignment with the spindle - simple and effective.
I have Robert thru axles. Nicely made and I converted my shite Cervelo RAT to these. Great conversions and nicely machined
Good video and explanation , it would be nice to see the process of machinning the BB hole for roundness / aignement , like on what kind of machine and tools you do it.. keep up the good work , cheers from France.
The Robert axle project is a super light nicely machined aftermarket thru axle, I have been using them in most of my bikes for thousands of kilometers without any problems.
In metrology there is a difference between precision and accuracy. Being precise does not mean you are accurate, but just repeatable. Precision engineering can therefore mean "repeatable crap". 😂
Been watching the channel fo 3 years now an Hambini is still 5😮
Hambini, the Gordon Ramsey of bikes
@Hambini the Robert Axle Project was/is just an aftermarket thru axle advertised as being 'more precise' and from memory also had the option of some different ends that allowed connection of a little trailer to tow you kids along behind you.
I thought they used the seat post for those trailers, WTF are they doing with our road bikes?🤬. Damn.
Good video. Im a bike mech from MY. I think on newest generation 2019 frame the hydraulic hose channel already move up above the bottom bracket position. Also csunk bolt for front mag hanger already change to rivet. But the alignment of the front mag hanger completely mess up (bend out when fixed front mag). I dont found any bend mark etc on the hanger but to realign this front mag hanger is completely disaster. Not to spoiled up the condition i just fabricate out shim to adjust the alignment 😂 just sharing my findings 😅
Great result, well done mate 👏
Like the video, been riding bmc teammachine slr01 2018 rim brake model. It has been trouble free for roughly 30k km. I'm happy with it. Doesn't mean its perfect on the inside. It works really well for me.
Have a look on the inside of car components. Quick, shoddy CNC milling of the injection molds, sharp edges everywhere. But you would never know it if your dashboard stayed in place. Because it works.
Long live Hambini's videos. The truth.
Love my two BMCs to bits so this was a particularly painful watch 😧 Meanwhile, congrats on 100k subs, onwards and upwards!
"Somewhat troubled state". That's very good.
You have inspired me to run rim brakes up front and disc brakes at the rear on my bike 😂
Changed front fork?
@@robertp7209 haven’t done it yet but would need a new fork and front wheel. Would be unique I reckon.
@@clp91009 unfortunately, can’t revert to rim brakes in rear. Never had any issues stopping a road bike with rim brakes, can easily lock up rear wheel. It’s the front wheel brake that takes more loading than rear, just like in cars, for the same reason. My disc brake equipped ultegra fitted road bike is good for trash, nothing but a racket those temperamental brakes make - can raise the dead in cemetery. Seems like temp and humidity like to affect them. I don’t believe in throwing good money after bad.
@@clp91009 don’t forget - you need a different shifter/brake lever on the left side, can’t use the hydraulic brake lever.
Robert axle project are an independent manufacturer of replacement thru axles, I had to buy some to replace the absolutely crap Focus R.A.T axles that came with my Focus bike.
Great show again funny just watched another aussie utbe how went to BMC and how wonderful they are and again you gives the truth
Subjective review is different from objective review. You ride this fancy brand new frame and felt great, but you won't expect the headache until the pieces are starting to fall apart due to poor engineering or QC.
you can't say this often. but this was an exceptional harsh reaming today
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Robert axle project makes some real quality axles - mostly for trailers / haulage but they also do regular ones. They had a collaboration with Chris King not too long ago to make axles that match the CK lineup. Quality goods !
Sunday morning reaming. 💥💥💥
I don't think you're going to be invited to BMC HQ like Cam Nicholls anytime soon? 😃
That's a very cheap way of them doing marketing. They should have spent the 10k USD for his trip on sorting out their schoolboy engineering. Quite pathetic engineering.
Cam just ended his channel...
Easily THE shadiest "presenter" on UA-cam.
@@dzrdza haven't watched David Arthur then. Dripping grease all over the floor.
@@testalino Yes, David Arthur is the worst! Total sell-out prost.
Badly molded Carbon, used to be made by quest composites. Had 2 slr01 frames from 2014, still my favorite riding bike. But 1 rear brake cable pulled straight to the frame, warranteed. Second frame spontanously showed hair cracks on the top tube. I was ridiculed by BmC customer service manager. Eventually ended up scrapping the frame after collision with a car. Crash replacement service too expensive
I had a 2010 BMC sl01. Paint cracked where seat stays meet downtube on first ride. Supplier tried to suggest this was normal and to be expected! Eventually got a replacement upgraded frame as they'd wasted so much of my time there was no UK stock in my size of the original frame... Still riding that bike and it's fine. BSA bb though!
Watches all your videos and learn a lot . I want to know which frame you personally think it’s the best on the market now for aero frame
Your "switzerdeutsch" is immaculate.
It does not matter how much it costs or where it is made, it is the quality that counts. Keep showing us the crap alerts Hambini. Mr. Fledge does not want to hear his expensive bike is crap. As for pro bikes, they are made for them and usually replaced each season and have spares so not the same as the public buys in most cases. By the way I have 20-30 year old bikes still in good shape, so why are relatively new bikes like this BMC allowed to leave the factory?
Nik Fledge doesn't even ride. Admitted it himself in that idiotic post of his that Hambini pinned. Has the audacity to say you can't expect perfection at 12k. What a fucking clown 🤡.
Disagree, it’s how much it costs that counts, gives the owners bragging rights - don’t you see? Plenty of ways to spend money, if someone is buying - someone is selling.
@@robertp7209 Theres a sucker born every minute. People WILLING to trade money for somebody else's problem. That's pretty entertaining!
Price will never ensure high quality.
Quality is proven.
But never waste your time convincing suckers born every minute with (not so) common sense. They're itching to be rid of their money. Its a symptom of the materialism disease.
@@rollinrat4850 😁😁And the more they pay the faster they go😁😁.
@@robertp7209 Right.... everybody KNOWS you can buy fitness and skills. It's what marketing tells 'em.
Question. Is there a video where you make a list of best bottom brackets to worst? I would love to see your take on which is the best to worse and why.
Bmc used to have a built in seat clamp that was either open or closed. I've seen them break a number of times and never seen one cover by a warranty. Customer were told they were over tighten, which was impossible. Wouldn't go near a BMC with Hambini's
It’s always the same way - their best defense is always to go on the offense. Same shet with waking-the-dead disc brake racket. Just blame the customer for contamination or lack of maintenance. Yeh right F’in finger prints. Instead of inadequate design - that is the root cause, speaking as an engineering professional.
Hambini is the bike god
Very disappointed that the pen was not checked to see if it was working… the result of being dry butt reamed obviously! 😂
I think the fenders mount is great
the axle project makes through axle that let you use it with trainers. I use it on my orbea orca with smart trainer for zwift
Legend as always ✊🏾👊🏾
Oh no! You finally got to my BMC.😬
Awesome video and frame inspection,I think Carbon handlebars should be banned,they are not safe especially the aero ones.Safe riding.💯👌🏻✌🏻
Weirdest creak I've encountered was from shift cables grabbing and releasing on the cable guide under the bb. I think I just accidentally shifted some cable loose while stationary putting some weight on the cranks and the sound suddenly stopped. Replaced the guide, creak gone.
The little add on points on the seat stay might be there for an add-on brake bridge to stiffen the frame.
😂😂😂 your reviews it’s just too funny 😅, on the serious note I’m after an aero bike ( I trust you ) what brands you would recommend !?
In BMC’s defense… in 2014 the front mech mount failed on my 2009 road machine. I’d bought in 2010 as a close sale from the USA. I lived in Australia when I bought it but lived in Norway when the failure occurred. There were several reports of this occurring online. Since the frame had long since been discontinued they couldn’t give me a replacement. So they offered me the then brand new GF01 carbon frame set (won Paris-roubiax) for $500usd. The frame set sold for $2500 used at the time. I jumped at the opportunity. The bike was great. Built it up with DA di2 and built myself some carbon wheels. Got hit by a car and payed out for a $2500 frame set plus every other part that was even scratched. Replaced it with a tmr01 which i still absolutely love and bet is just about as quick aerodynamically as todays aero bikes.
I’m sure Hambini would have a great time giving that bike a reaming though! 😅
Judging by the new haircut, Hambini reamed the hairdresser as well!
@Hambini I bet the other bike to buy is the 2021/2022 Fuji Transonic 2.1 rim brake
love me a bit of sunday reaming.
Keep banging them out 👍
I have the Team Machine from 2019 with over 30k km. I love this bike and it has no flaws, no sketchy bottom bracket, no creaking, no nothing! Not trying to defend BMC here, but it is not like all their frames have defects like the frame shown here. I would certainly short list BMC if I was to buy a new bike.
same here
That's the problem though, a complete lack of quality control. You get a well made bike, someone else gets the Monday morning special
@@Ob1sdarkside certainly true, but you can find those specials in every brand. QC should certainly be better across the board when the frame costs that much. And it is good that someone points them out. It just needs some context.
@@testalino Yep. that is what you have a QC process for. To reject the Monday morning specials and return to the operator for rework. You can then review your QC data with simple KPIs and tackle issues head on. Its not record science, operators improve or leave and the customer gets a better product for his hard earnt 2K
The inconsistency of quality is an obvious problem. QC, (lack of it) is the larger bike industry's largest problem.
Consumers have little idea what they're paying for, yet THEY are paying for it, one way or another. Yet bicycles are very simple machines.
I work in this industry. I'm a retired mechanical inspector. Nobody's fooling me. The larger bike industry often ashames me!
I can afford and obtain 'high end' bikes near cost. Yet I want none of it. I keep riding my old bikes because they're perfectly functional. I built them from a bare frame.
Watching this in my kitchen... 9 yr old son walks in. I sprint across the room, jump over the cat and press pause just as you said "a load of utter F..........." 🤣🤣🤣
I have had no problems with my 2012 purchased BMC SLR01 which has served me without issue for 60’000 km. Not the same model as in the video of course.
That Nik Fledge thread is worth a big bad of crisps and a beer.
Hambini got a haircut, and looks 10 years younger!
Satchin can you have a Wall Of Sin ( like the Top Gear Fastest Lap or the Cool Wall) with manufacturers and their frames prominently displayed behind you and available for download. Please
If you can hear to 20Khz Hambini, good luck to you. While that is the nominal upper range for human hearing, most adults don't get anywhere close to it. Standard audiograms only test to 8khz. Unfortunately that bandwidth is still plenty to hear creaks in bike frames and associated components which are probably closer to 2khz in frequency - right where our hearing is most sensitive.
kinda want to send Hambini a classic steel road bike and see what he says
Ah, the irony of Swiss Milka chocolate adverts appearing during this video…
Bmc is premium quality said marketing boss.
Robert Axle Project, from Bend Oregon, makes the best axles on the planet. They did a collaboration with Chris King and they sold out immediately.
Hambini time!!!
The more these guys pay for their bikes, the more they defend the product to a higher level than the very manufacturers do. Speaks for itself. And there is a sucker born every minute, at least one.
Well, you gotta realize most of the poser idiots who pay these laughable prices for cookie cutter mass fabbed CF bikes with crap build tolerances are doing it for the “status symbol” purpose. So when the reality of their moronic purchase is revealed of course they are going to defend their silly wildly overpriced garbage. I can’t imagine an adult being such a gullible moron that they would happily pay thousands of dollars for stock, non custom, sweatshop made disposable cookie cutter bikes, but there are loads of such goofballs out there apparently. 😀
@@ivanboesky1520 ego centrics too. “My dic is bigger than yours” 😩😁😂😂
Robert Axle Project is a company in the USA who makes machined aluminum thru-axles. About $100 for each axle, half the weight of OEM axles.
Damn shame they did away with QR on road bikes, thru axles are for shet especially when doing a flat. Pure shet.
Robert Axle Project makes after market thru axles that are bolt style. Lighter than OEM.
Interesting. I am from Nice, also known as Houston. We are compatriots.
I had the "pleasure" of owning a BMC Roadmachine 03 (The alloy version). The BB area is even worse on that model in regards to routing the brake hose. Full of sharp edges and you really have to be careful not to pinch the hose. A bit sad to see.
Question about layup carbon fiber , vs 3D printed vs look "spun fiber" construction, what are the plusses and minus of the different manufacturing techniques?
Great vid. I guess I'm saving for a Look bike. Nice techy pencil. Are you giving the hairdresser any pencil for Christmas?
Chris
Wished I sent you my #specializedpileofpoo Roubaix frame. You would have had a field day with that😉 👍
Carbon fibre frames are a marketing dream. Product churning rules! They can be infinitely remodelled to next year's 'improved' version, with any number of supposed improvements - thinner tubing walls here, thicker there, more aerodynamic here, claimed improvements in comfort, suspension gimmicks, different tube cross-sections and more. There will of course never be a perfect version, and that's certainly good for business.
I owned a carbon bike some years ago and it wasn't a patch on my Reynolds-tubed alloy steel frame bikes. I sold it. Well-designed and built steel frames feel livelier and absorb road bumps better, with the only drawback being the slight weight increase - but if you're a 70kg plus rider for example, who cares? Steel frames can also be readily repaired and repainted, and will last more or less indefinitely if properly cared for.
And Steel frame gives me great workout when I carry it upstairs of my apartment.
@@Reanimator999Thanks for your comment, it gave me a laugh - maybe you haven't got a really light top steel bike!
More seriously, years ago when Reynols 753 tubing was introduced, I remember Raleigh stating that the company had got its team racing machines down to 17 1/2 pounds - that's just a whisker over 7.9 kilos. The internet gives a typical weight for a carbon bike as being about 8.2 kilos. Accepting of course that there will be differences between frame sizes and components, there's not a huge difference in my opinion.
As a percentage of the combined weight of rider plus machine, I'd say that the difference between a carbon bike and a steel bike is negligible.
Let's say a rider weighs 70kg and the carbon bike 8.2kg. The total's 78.2, so the bike's 10.49 percent of the total.
Now let's get the rider on a 7.9kg bike. The total weight is now 77.9kg, and the bike's now 10.14 percent of the total.
The difference is 10.49 minus 10.14, which equals 0.35% - not a lot.
Admittedley these are just rough calculations for fun, but you get my drift - whatever, keep those pedals turning, whatever you ride, carbon or steel!
Liking this 'in Schwitzer Deutsch' at the beginning or 'in Sweaty German' 😂
Can we get a german version of HALLO HAMBINI FANS UND WILKOMMEN on the next video?
I can do the German national anthem if you want
@@Hambini Everything is funnier when it's in german.
I am thankful for that few seconds of silence at the start of the video so I can turn the volume down.
Wimp
The original BMC was British Motor Corporation, that fine outfit that gave us the Morris Marina and Austion Allegro. (Known as the Austin all-agro)
I'm glad to see the crapness has now gone to the land of Rolex.
Honest question. I just dropped 12k on a BMC roadmachine 01 three and then I came across this video. Should I be concerned with the build quality? or has things improved with them over the years as from what I'm reading, this frame is nearly a decade old model. Thanks in advance!
Dude he didnt even know the mount points for rim brakes. Enjoy your bike.
When did BMC stop using rivets for a front derailleur hanger? I’ve just looked at an image of a new frame and it clearly shows rivets. For some reason this model has screws but previous and new models have rivets.
That feeling on Monday morning when you walk in the office and find out that your company took a reaming from Hambini over the weekend. 🤯😵💫🥺
Good the pen is working. -U10
@Hambini,, can you look into setting up a Time bicycles factory tour and interview with the engineers???
Hambini, this is a serious question. I wanna buy high end aero bike (preferably Dura-Ace) but if everything is crap then which bike should I buy? What are my options?
I wanted to buy a high end aero/road bike, too. After 2 years of research, I crossed them all off the list (except Time, which is exceedingly difficult to purchase in the US). I went back to metal. I bought a titanium bike (Litespeed) with rim brakes and I am completely happy. And I still love my old steel road bike (Bertin). I have a Giant TCR (used, carbon, rim brakes), which I also enjoy a lot, but I am happily hooked on metal and I encourage you to expand your search beyond carbon for a kick ass aero bike.
Robert Axle project make very light thru axles. A regular upgrade to drop a few grams
Are there still people, who believe, that if the bike is lets say 14 gramms lighter here and there it will be better.
Okay, it could be if you carry the cost of the upgrades with you all the time in coins.
I am meeting a guy to buy a teammachine slr frame this week (surely they are not all bad). What shoukd I lool for? Should I remove the bb to inspect the shells?
Why not? You're the buyer. Cover all of your bases before regretting later.
When you say you have machined a bb what exactly are you doing? Flap wheel abrasive? Line boring with a single point cutter on a mill or something?
HEY HAMBINI!
Whats your take on the solid oil bearings from SKF for bike use?
loads of drag..meant for headsets and parts that don't spin at high rotations
I need to have a hairdresser 😬 Quite impossible since my head look's like Chris Horner's 😂
For some reason (OK, I admit, they look nice in the pictures and are a bit more of a niche brand than the really big mass-market boys) , BMC bikes interest me. Here's another Hambini video telling you a certain brand is crap. Is there any brand that hasn't been trashed (Time aside)? I think even Giant, who own their actual production factories have been trashed. Either 99% of bike brands are incompetent, or we're just seeing the bad ones in a big production run. Then the question is around QA standards and how many "bad" ones are let through. We can't know. Design errors are a different category and more worrying. Makes you depressed about shelling out so much cash for something that could be a pile of poo though.
There are no regulations for bike industry
@@stibra101 It's the main reason why we get funky standards on bikes all over the place.
Nothing quite like a tight dark hole. That's what Tyrone in always on about anyway.
Was literally just about to buy a BMC now am thinking twice! $50M question is....what brand do you go with if you can't afford Time or Look?
Winspace?
can you do a general view of colnago bikes are they good?
You know the saying about overpriced italian rubbish?
Am I the only person looking forward for a Hambini review of the new S. DivergeSTR ? 😅
A friend refers to the the Swiss as having the arrogance of the Germans without the efficiency. Personally I love BMC's.
At this point the bike industry will source a hitman to take out @hambini
Stay safe bruv
Hi mate! Could you elaborate a bit on your measuring technique? How do you get that data that goes into the roundness chart? Would be really interesting to see!
@@edmundas919 i, too, dabble in hole measurements.
@@edmundas919 link pls?
Look at his old video, also - there is established industry standards for +and - tolerances for each component so between components everything fits correctly. Forget the noise these out of tolerance fitments are causing, noise is not the real problem.
@@yourface4248tighter vs. looser is better, would you agree? 😁
@@robertp7209 i have no tolerance for loose tolerance
I dont even ride road, genuinely just come here for the big fat hello hambini fans! It makes my fucking day haha!
Stress Riser becomes Stress Raiser becomes Stress Razor.
What's the weird post thing above the BB?