Autism Shutdown Vs Dissociation - What's The Difference?
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Autism shutdowns and dissociation can often be confused with each other as they may appear to be similar. But what's the difference between an autistic shutdown and dissociation? This is what we find out as I talk about what autism shutdowns are and what is dissociation.
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I dissociate so much that I rarely have shutdowns or meltdowns. Every time I get overstimulated or stressed, all of a sudden if feels like floaty, my head feels like a haze, sometimes I’m on autopilot and other times I’m consciously there but I feel drunk, the world gets blurred and my head feels heavy, my eyes don’t feel that open and physical pain is more numbed, I remember slapping my face and not feeling much other than a small tingle and warmth on my cheek and my friends told me I looked crazy. When I’m on autopilot sometimes it gets so bad that I accidentally walk to places that I never planned on going or almost get run over while I’m walking to school. Not many people around me understand the experience so people usually ask if I’m on drugs because sometimes while I’m speaking my speech slows down and the things I say make less and less sense. It feels like I need to sleep even when I’ve had 9 hours of sleep. I’m convinced I have some sort of dissociative disorder
i can inform you a bit on did/dissosiative identety disorder you can only get that disorder from what i have heard under the age of 10 but im not so sure anymore
Yo I just commented about something kinda similar. I kind of go beyond the shutdown and get replaced by a me that’s not a me for a bit until I can get a hold of myself again. I’ve never lost time or memories though, although I have been hit by a car by like being on autopilot and losing the wherewithal to pay attention, so maybe I have... idk
@@dgbstudiosscholten9728 it's that age range becuse that's when your personality is being formed but there are different kinds of disassociative dissorders other then just DID. Tho I do think someone on the spectrum could develop DID if they have repeated really bad sensory overloads becuse that can be extremely tramatic if you don't really know what the hell is going on. Tho I'm not an expert on the topic so don't take my word as Gospel
That really looks like DPDR, in reddit many people talk about some similar experiences. It can be triggered by drugs, trauma or genetics. I feel less dissociative in SSRI because has lessen my anxiety and bad toxic thinking,but I've been there really heavily through all my life, and sometimes I feel like this. But personally I shutdown a lot.
Hi! I'm part of an autistic DID system and can tell you your level of dissociation does sound in line with a dissociative disorder but there are many so you would have to research all of them to see what applies or what makes you feel extreme fear anger or disgust cuz we had those reactions at first and then our psych broke the news and it was a lot to handle cuz we knew nothing about it other than Anthony Padilla's video lol. Anyway yeah do research and seek a trauma specialist. However if you do end up having plurality, don't let anyone convince you any alters are evil or need to forcibly integrate. They are severely wrong --The Fellowship of Mithril
I have PTSD and experience dissociation, but I also experience dissociation during sensory overload. I've heard other autistics have had similar experiences.
I've had similar experiences. I tend to cycle between some combination of shutdown, meltdown, and dissociation. Sometimes I experience dissociation without sensory overload, but as far as I know I don't have ptsd or and dissociative disorder, though I've wondered if I might have DID
I've always described my brain like a glitchy and slow computer, even before I knew about ASD 💀💀
My life makes so much more sense now.
I have compared my brain to running Windows 3.1 in a world where everyone else is running the current model of iOS or Linux.
I honestly feel like the other way around. I feel like my brain has the higher processing power so it gets the more demanding processing tasks. The other computers can't process that much that's why they filter it all beforehand lol
I'm autistic and for me a sensory "seeking" mood is similar to derealization. I experience both from stress and needing to "ground" myself by using my senses. It's like I can't feel part of my surroundings even though I'm "aware" unless I engage my senses like touching a texture or crunching on food or running water over my hands. It's like my body becomes disconnected *from* my mind and harder to control.
My reasons for my shut downs is because my brain does not process things as fast as others. And the more severe things that you feed to me, the longer it’s gonna take for me to get around that.
That’s how I describe the way I was feeling like a computer on hibernation mode before I heard you say it, it’s difficult to do basic tasks and I feel like my mind is somewhere else
It seems common for people to start making this enormous leap from mild dissociation (feeling tuned out from your feelings when overwhelmed, stressed, or anxious) to full blown dissociative identity disorder which is an extremley rare and profoundly severe form of dissociation resulting from severe long term early childhood trauma.
One thing to keep in mind is that dissociation is a normal response to stress and or anxiety. Everyone experiences it at some point in their life.
Going from a normal fight flight or freeze response which can incude some emotional dissociation to serious dissociative disorders is like going from 1 to a million in severity of symptoms.
Dissociation (disconnect from feelings) is normal and can also be listed as a symptom of many different psychological issues including anxiety disorders which are common, and very treatable. I'm just hoping to reassure people with anxiety that they don't suddenly have DID or something, because DID is very rare.
Dissociative disorders are a set of severe disorders each distinct from the other, but all resulting from experiencing profound trauma. You can dissociate often and not have DID.
Speaking from many years working in mental health with a focus on trauma, and also as a person who has both autism spectrum disorder type 1, and ptsd.
Just to correct you DID isn’t rare it’s common. It’s 1 to 3% (without OSDD counted) and everything above 1% is common
@@ducktes someone with OSDD-1b here, can confirm it's often undiagnosed and unreported! hence it seeming like a "rare" disorder, the main issue is misinformation and underrepresentation sadly.
not actually that rare
I have quite a bit of experience with both shutdowns and dissociation and I find the main difference is I am far more self aware during a shutdown and don’t usually experience any lapse or loss of memory during a shutdown which I do when I dissociate plus when experiencing a shutdown I don’t get any disconnection from reality.
Hmm I see that's interesting to know. I know that memory issues can be a thing with dissociation but I wasn't sure if it was a major part of it or not?
@@IndieAndy I don't know if it is a major or common part of dissociation for others. I just know for me personally my dissociative episodes often include dissociative amnesia which at best just makes things a little hard to memorize and at worst results in lost time that can vary from hours to even days. When the latter happens i am told my behaviour mimics the behaviour i express when in a shut down in which i run on autopilot and am quiet withdrawn until i feel less overwhelmed and more comfortable re emerging and the only difference in that instance is i don't remember any of it and it is caused by usually different more intense stressers.
Same
The loss of memories or time is a great difference to highlight. Yes I'm the same in my experiences.
I have a severe disassociation disorder. It’s so bad I have seizures and I’m constantly semi conscious. Im convinced I’m autistic and have pushed myself too hard and the trauma has led to this…
Does anyone have their brain basically force them to fall asleep for a few minutes to sort of reboot from a shutdown? Not like narcoleptic falling asleep wherever you are but needing to sit down and fully shut off to relieve the excess stress.
Yeah this has been happening to me alot recently!
Yes, I've been trying to get answers for this for years! I had never made the connection until recently when I started doing research on autism that I might have it
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hey there, when I'm on shutdown I get insomnia at night and can only sleep when my brain consciously chooses to release that tiredness hormone- that can be at any time of the day except "reasonable hours"
From the constant gaslighting in my life, my body has gotten good at subconsciously convincing itself that it’s fine, when it’s not. If I don’t go out of my way to listen to when I need to rest, I can push myself past the point of shut down and basically it’s like someone else takes over my body for me. I don’t mean like to the point where I can’t remember, or can’t control my body, but like I feel like someone else is saying the things I’m saying, or doing stuff. Like sometimes when I’m speaking, it feels like someone else is speaking and I’m just listening. It’s very odd. It feels like a reroute to pushing past shut down. Mind you, not a very healthy one. So for me, shut down and dissociation can be hand in hand. Also, never diagnosed w autism though highly suspected by me, and nobody has listened yet enough to believe me when I say I dissociate, but like... I know that’s what that is lmao.
This I can relate to, the disacotiation when you have told your body too often "I'm fine", when you were not fine
so helpful, Lacy, thank you! I have this same experience exactly! You describe it so well!! In fact I've not heard it explained so well. It's like something switches over in my brain and, although I try not to do it too much, I can push through, but go into this altered state. I think it's really hard to differentiate between what is trauma and what is suspected autism (i'm self-diagnosing at the moment aged 59!). I do also have complete shut down, where I can't move or speak, but am aware of my surroundings, albeit looking down from outer space. It's so helpful to watch this video and see what others have written. I hope it's helped you too. x
I have this same experience from early childhood, thanks for sharing
I experience shutdowns and dissociation. After watching the video and reading some comments, I wonder if I tend to dissociate while having a shutdown. Usually during a shutdown, I have no awareness of what's going on around me or what anyone is saying to me. I go completely mute. When I come out of a shutdown, I never remember anything that happened. When I dissociate, it's more just like a sense of nothing around me being real, feeling like my name isn't actually my name, not recognizing my face in the mirror, and/or just a general sense of disconnection. After seeing some mention of loss of memory after dissociative episodes, I wonder if what I've thought were really short less extreme shutdowns were actually dissociation which would make a lot more sense since usually I know I've had a shutdown because I suddenly feel really "out of it" afterwards whereas there have been a few times where someone's said something that made me think "huh, I have no recollection of that, I guess I had a shutdown " but at the same time I wasn't feeling the after effects of a shutdown.
I just discovered that I dissociate a lot at random times. Well, that explains a lot of things and raises lots of questions at the same time.
In the last couple weeks I have had shut-downs, meltdowns, yet another meltdown, a short shut down, a meltdown, a bit of a dissociation, a shut down, a smaller version of a meltdown, more anxiety than usual, a couple "inward" panic attacks, and now I can feel I am heading into a shut-down and I am scared it might be for a longer period of time. I am also a mom, so can't really shut down all the way to fully recover (especially for a long period of time); sometimes I do need a long period of time, but that is beside the point. I wish there was some way to avoid all this from happening. There is a lot of stress in my life also.
It was brilliantly explained, thank you. About dissociation, it's not necessarily linked to DID. You can also experience it if you have another form of dissociative disorder, if you have PTSD, borderline personality disorder, etc. But the way you described it is, according to me, pretty accurate.
It's also worth noting that DID isn't the only dissociative disorder. Dissociative amnesia, depersonalization and derealization are also things. The latter two are probably more relevant to autistic people.
I've had a meltdown and dissociation together. I think. It was terrifying
my meltdowns are awful. I keep having them at the moment. even publicly. I feel really exposed and embarrassed afterwards. I would rather have shutdown but by brain reacts the meltdown way.
SUCH A HELPFUL video.... Having trauma therapy at the moment and my therapist has just suggested that some of my symptoms are like an autistic shutdown and not all of the symptoms I have are trauma based... I do experience dissociation for sure and it's exactly how you described it, but also experience what you described as a shutdown, so have potentially both things to contend with. Felt a bit confused after my therapy, so I'm so glad I can access this video to help me understand!!! (you have a new subscriber) :)
i feel like my disassociation (mostly derealization, sometimes depersonalization) stems primarily from PTSD, but i’m also on the spectrum.. and i know PtSD is more common in those on the spectrum, so i’m not sure aha
I had a lot of dissociation as a kid. My brain, senses, verbal center would shut down. I could be standing, sitting or lying, but I would be completely removed from my surroundings, with nothing at all going on in my head. This was a reaction to overstimulation. Later on I learned to leave stressful situations before I needed to "check out." I have never have meltdowns. My parents were always getting into dangerous rages, and I swore to myself that I would never be like that--and I'm not.
I feel dissociation at times, like when the pandemic happened. It was like something that would happen in movies, except it's real. But sometimes I ask myself, "Is this really happening?" But then when I realize it's the reality, it quickly turns to anger. I often cope with anger and I know it's not good holding in emotions because of shutdowns, but I do it anyways.
I Ike you’re slow delivery of explaining situations. I’ll definitely be back to listen for more of what you know. Thanks 😊
How do you ‘come out’ of a shut down ? What should people do ? What can be done !?
The other day at work, we had a 4.8 earthquake, and I was so disassociate I didn't notice. My clients did.
Not sure if it's a shutdown, but when I feel overwhelmed, lost for words, and cannot process things that don't make sense. I can feel myself slowly staring off into the distance, breathing heavy, I go numb. The computer analogy is relatable. It does feel like "AN ERROR HAS OCCURED" 🤖
As a depressed autistic person I mostly dissociate instead of shutting down. That's just the way of my brain to cope with stress
I rarely meltdown I’ve done a mild one this year but most of the time I just ignore what other people say or cry
I tend to rock in & out of meltdowns and shutdowns extremely frequently.. Mood bottoms and agression often takes over, weather it be silent aggression or visual/verbal aggression.
Highly insightful, thoughtful and inspiring video as always Andy! Thank you for your insight 🙌
Ooh thank you!
Hm, I experience both shutdown and dissociation at times.
Like sometimes I feel totally overwhelmed and withdraw into myself, it's really hard to even answer simple yes/no questions or make the simplest decision, and I just want/need to be left alone until I reenergize and can process information again. People usually think I'm mad at them, but I'm not mad at all, I'm not anything at this point!
And, sometimes I feel like I'm in the matrix, everything seems fake and there's a sense of watching from above (not necessarily above though) , like we're all lab rats in a fake world matrix type situation. It's hard to explain lol
I think some of what you described is derealisation and depersonalisation. Depersonalization is feeling separate from yourself, kind of like you are watching yourself from afar and derealization is feeling disconnected from the world around you, feeling like the world around you isn't real. But IDK if these are things separate from dissociation or types of dissociatio.
Hmm maybe but from what I was reading, these were things to do with dissociation also? Like I say and I hope it came across in the video that I don't know much about the topic but that's how I've understood it.
@@IndieAndy I'll look into it. Psychology is one of my special interests.
Absolutely brilliant video Andy
Ooh thank you Sophie! Really appreciate it 🙂
Idk if this would be a shutdown but sometimes if I feel myself becoming overwhelmed like sensory overload, ill purposefully shut myself off from preventing that. Like I'll just sit on my own, not feeling like I'm part of the world but still very much aware that im there and I won't speak, either barely or at all. It's confusing because I go non verbal when in sensory overload too
I think shutting down is a form of dissociation because it occurs on a spectrum. Shutting down for me is feeling numb and disconnected even though I am aware of my surroundings.
An example of dissasociation was during a trauma I remember making an image of a little image of a rainbow that seemed very real and to this can't recall what happened only in the moment I knew I couldn't stop looking at the rainbow because something bad was happening. To a lesser extent dizziness or tiredness can happen when triggered by something. I also struggled with connecting my mind and body at times which is a kind of disassociate.
As an autistic DID system this is a very interesting question. In our experiences, meltdowns and shutdowns lead to dissociation. So it starts out as I can't tolerate anything anymore, then go non verbal except for base noises like whining,. After that is escape instinct and if that doesn't work, freeze instinct and then if that doesn't make the distress go away, dissociation and inevitably a switch. Hope that helps! --The Fellowship of Mithril
I was off school for two weeks then I went back for three days then i went off for two weeks again and this is my first week back bfor Christmas and let’s just say it’s not going well with em
Thanks this helps, I experience both shut downs and, less commonly dissociation. When I've tried to explain the difference I don't have the words beyond when I dissociate I feel an overwhelming wrongness. Like I'm not really there.
I have both Autism both DID. It is a complete shut down and disconnection and then another alter comes out to rescue so I continue functioning but don’t really remember the whole time
Your videos are always cool and wise.
Aww thanks dude!
As an autistic gal with DID suspicions, I want to mention that DID is (in my comprehension) when characters are brought to life whenever an overwhelming/traumatic event happens in someone's life. These characters, aka alters, help the person suffering cope with day to day life.
i couldn't relate to the PC analogy because i can always fix the problem since computers are my special interest
Love your content Indy!
Ooh thank you!
I have been diagnozed with Autism at a age of 36years old, and one of the "shutdowns" ive had some.. problems with.. If i get betraid by someone i really trusted, i can go on a "cleaning house" operation.. meaning.. cutting contact with everyone that is around him that i know about. Can be other friends, or someone i work with. Is this something anyone else have had any experience with?
As someone who has autism and OSDD I dissociate a lot more than shutdown. That’s why my therapist is questioning my autism diagnosis
No well trained pediatric occupational therapist confuses these. Pat Wilbarger developed the concept of the"Window of Tolerance" in the late 1980's and early 1990's. I was using it in 1994, so it isn't a new thing. I also treated abused children. You don't use the same therapy techniques or you will harm your client.
i tend to lose my voice when over stressed even being peer pressure it is very difficult to figure things out when you lack the proper knowledge to help you navigate through like even when you dont show any signs during school hours
Hmm... maybe what I think is a shudown is a dissosication... It's soothing. I don't need to mask. I feel little, withdraw within myself, and feel disconnected. I basically become socially invisible. When I'm like that, I find myself wishing I could stay like that.
My experiences of this, is I had a meltdown that then led to a shutdown. I have no recollection of this at all. Then another two times I think it was more dissociation. It was like I missed parts of the day, like watching a movie and there are missing parts from it. I don't remember any of it.
Can a shutdown trigger disassocatin? Becuse Ive expetenced bolth or a shutdown leading to a disassociating episode and then I loose track of time. Sometimes I just shut down and go nonverbal.
Yeah I would imagine so
It’s pretty similar. I have DID and autism level 2 both diagnosed officially so who knows.
Great content, was really informative
Great video😊
dude your eyes are incredible
Do you think those who suffer meltdown should practice dissociation on purpose at key moments?
I do
i dissociat allot every day to much for my feeling that it nolonger feels natural what should i do #i have adhd and pddnos any tips
Ah yes, no views but 4 likes.
That's my kind of video 😂 From what I know UA-cam has been having issues all over the place these last 2 weeks so not surprising to see that 😂
UA-cam’s been drunk for a lot more than two weeks, I hope to get it into an AA program, it really needs help.
Hmm yeah true true!
(This is irrelevant, but your teeth are cool).