Gandalf: "She left you a son. Tell me, which do you think she would have you value more?" Damn, I wish they had left that in the original cut. It's so blunt, yet so powerful a statement.
Agree with both comments. Like instead that idiot troll scene with the malfunctioning staff... maybe that 'value more' one? In that scene, Gandalf was truly Gandalf, who speaks small wisdoms that opens one's eyes to things they should focus on. An advisor who instead of leading just shows leaders the possible right/better way (as it was his original role)
That would be awesome! But there's going to be a LOTR TV show based on Aragorn's early life and Tolkien wrote he visited the Woodland Realm many times before
Alright, I hate to be the lore expert in the comments, but a show on the Woodland realm would not work AT ALL. The Woodland Elves don't have a movie worth of lore, or a show worth of lore. They only make sudden appearances here and there, but their lore is very bland. They could always make some show and make up their own stories for the Mirkwood Elves, though it wouldn't be as good as something based off of Tolkien's works. Overall, a show based off one group of Elves would be pretty bad.
I would love to see a movie with Thranduil they can show him and his wife together before she died and how she died in the war so well know more about why thranduil wanted the gems.
Hmm, a bio-pic about Thranduil growing up, meeting and marrying his wife, raising Legolas, and even overseeing Smaug’s attack on Dale/Erebor from afar while fighting giant spiders from Mirkwood in between
@Claire Youmans Mithrandir got the ring from Cirdan, who was Narya's original bearer. Upon the wizards arrival in middle earth Cirdan had a vision that Mithrandir would need the ring more and gave it to him.
well, to be fair, his realm is in shambles because of Saurons presence. and his kind are less wise and noble than the galadrim. its not like everything is working out in Mirkwood
@Claire Youmans but why have that non-canon suspicion if we know canonically that its false? and he is definitely not the character to deny a ring of power. even in the hobbit they say he is greedy for treasure and power
Thranduil and his elves have their own powerful magic which is stated in the book. Thranduil casted his spell on his cellar doors, enchanted river to prevent anyone from entering his kingdom, his guards created illusion of feast on Thorin's eyes, Tauriel healed Kili and Thranduil also used magic to hide/reveal his scar. So yeah elves don't need rings of power as they are born with gifts
I wonder though if the symbolism was inspired by different ethnic groups in the real world. The dwarves are portrayed as shorter and having big noses and a greedy affinity for gold. The elves seem like the Nordic whites by contrast, long straight blonde hair, blue eyes, tall. And for generations the hobbits and elves have been in a cold-war, again just like the uneasy relations between the whites and Jewish peoples. Thoughts?
@@BoopSnoot You make a terrible analogy that is not supported at all by the text. It was Sauron's corrupting influence through one of the rings of power that drove the dwarves to insatiable greed.
I have a theory about how Thranduil's wife died. There's a scene in Desolation of Smaug where Thranduil shows Thorin that he has felt dragonfire and reveals his horribly disfigured face. Legolas says that there is no grave and no memory of her. I think that Thranduil lost his wife to dragonfire and there was nothing left of her to bury, hence why he values her gems so dearly.
Sean Corcoran Perhaps. I actually really like that. The IMDB page for DoS does mention that they meant for the scars to be an injury to Thranduil's fea (spirit) showing through to his hroa (body) because the two are so entwined and it was a moment of intense emotion for him. But I do like that theory. Hmm.
It wasn’t PJ’s idea. It was the studio execs who insisted on the love triangle, along with lots of fight scenes and scenes with Alfrid and Thorin. They did not care about the other character’s backstories.
Those gems represented his love towards his wife. Elven love is forever and a sacred bond being immortal love to them is much more important than mortals. As he could have lived forever loving his wife but knowing he can't hurts him and drives him to get the gems back.
Just the opposite in reality... mortal love is far more meaningful as you are choosing to spend the only life you have, your one brief window on Earth, with another person. Let's be real though if immortal beings existed none of them would be married or in love with the same person forever. You gonna spend 10,000 years smelling the same rank pussy over and over? You'll grow tired of that.
Yawg moth we are talking in the mythical sense elves are immortal and stay forever youthful. They cherish love because if an elf loves another elf they can experence life together for eternity.
If the elves were so superior, then why did they need a bunch of stupid jewels to keep the memory of a loved one? That is literally letting worldly posessions replace your real emotions. Karl Marx calls this the fetishisation of commodities, and that is literally what the elf King is doing here. Ironic, since it is the very opposite of natural. Only occurs in societies with highly divided labour. Even humans don't do it naturally, it's a disease of civilizations and "primitive" societies don't do it. Hell even in LotR, the hobbits seem to be immune to material greed. Supposedly, it's a specific weakness of dwarves (and humans to a lesser degree), but here it is the Elf who literally kills for a trinket. At least the Laketowners are literally at risk of starvation, while the dwarves are defending their inherited posessions.
I feel so bad for Thranduil. Elves live forever and he lost his soulmate. Destined to spend eternity alone, without even his wife's gems to comfort him. Dwarves truly are greedy for trying to make him pay to get his family heirloom back. The money wasn't even an object for Thranduil, it was the principle that an old "friend" would try to profit off of his grief. I totally understand why he turned his back on them.
Yes, he wanted the dwarves to make the gems he gave to them into a necklace but after they were made, he was too greedy. It wasnt the elves that wanted this war, it was the dwarves.
yeah those fcking dwarves are so damn greedy , they have tons of golds and gems in that mountain but still they want some payment from thranduil ..like for real that small piece of lasgalen gems is just like 0000000.1% of their wealth , they could've just gave it away instead.
@@jeydidelacruz455 I know they’re already naturally greedy but it had to have been that ring Sauron gave them. One of the seven rings of the dwarf lords. That and the whole gold sickness in the mind. Maybe that ring of power belonged to Thorin’s grandfather before it passed on to his dad. And maybe it still had some influence over the mountain hence why Thorin went mad for a bit. Just a theory
@@jeydidelacruz455 who are you to decide what someone else should do with their property? That 0,0001% still belongs to the dwarfs so they are entitled to do with it as they see fit.
Thranduil only became an isolationist after the death of his wife, meanwhile, the reason he was willing to lead his entire army to war with the dwarfs for a handful of jewels was purely because of these treasures belonged to his wife. Also when Thorin and his company entered his kingdom, they were captured by the woodland elves and were treated as his guest, they were imprisoned after they annoyed Thranduil after the dwarfs insulted him. In addition, Thranduil's woodland elves were only 'isolationist' to dwarfs but were friendly to us men, they have close trading ties with people of lake town. If you get into the woodland elves territory, you will be treated as their friends. And before I forget, Thranduil, helped Bard and his men after the dragon destroyed their homes, it was not like what's been portrayed in the film that he 'bribed' the men with materials to fight for him, he came with good intentions.
CentreLeft Libertarian Perhaps, but it's quite hard to make a music/clip video from a text only source! I do understand that the books and movies are different. This project was only meant to show Thranduil's story as it was portrayed in the movies.
Where in the many books of ME history did you find info about his wife? There isn't any. The only mention of his wife and her supposed passing is from the film writers. If you support that storyline, then you really can't disagree with how they portray the rest of the relationships.
He became isolationist after his father Oropher died in the first battles of Mordor prior to the arrival of High King Gil Galad and King Elendil. Thranduil abandoned the Last Alliance and took his people to Greenwood the Great.
ST3Intrigue new head canon: she had an epic magic battle with the witch King of angmar, and almost had him beat with her light magic, but then he finally used his ring and summoned a serpent of the north to kill her, leaving nothing but ash and white gems in her wake while he transforms into the first nozgul and is later slain by thranduil after he sustains serious burns from the battle and is forced to retreat. the dwarves later find and gather the white gems of lasgalen from the battlefield and inform thranduil of them but refuse to give them up when he refuses to pay a ridiculous amount for them fashioning the gems into a necklace he did not ask for, believes disrespects his wife, remembers the nature of dwarf greed and realizes the convenience thror has created for himself. the dwarves were a tragic race, corrupted by greed brought on by a silmaril, their gold and jewels, the seven rings and their hatred for the elves.
gandalf 's quote to Thranduil that.... its not the gems that his wife left him is what he should love and care for ..but the son she gave him...is epic.
There was also the clip where Tauriel talks about star light being memory. Without the gems, Thranduil feels he has no monument to his wife. Perhaps that is why Legolas says there is no memory.
But one of Thranduils most unreasonable talks is this - one moment he would go to war just for these gems, and at the other moment he looks upon his dead warriors and says that he lost enough of elven blood for this cursed land. And where is logic in this? To me a big land where ppl can live safely is more worthy of fight a war than a bit of jewelery, which are presiouss to only one man as a memory for his lost wife.
I read somewhere that when Tauriel says "There's no love in you" to Thranduil, she was utterly wrong, and actually he had loved so much thay he had been hurt very deeply upon losing his wife, and he couldn't love anything without feeling great grief. Tauriel's love for Kili was going to be used to highlight this.
Yes that’s correct. Though all of this was made up for the movies. We don’t get much insight into Thranduil’s relationship with his wife in the books: and his reasons for being at Erebor have nothing to do with her.
@@golwenlothlindel Yes. All he wanted was the white gems (denied to him by the dwarves, for some obscure reason) so he went to Erebor to try to get them from Thorin. He did NOT want to go to war (in the book) but was talked into helping the people of Laketown get back what Smaug stole from them from Thorin. He did eventually get some of the white gems back in the form of a necklace "of Silver and white gems", thanks to the generosity of Bilbo, whom he, the king, named elf friend. Jackson completely changed the written nature of the Elven King. Still a good story, but very different from the book. I didn't mind, of course. The more Thranduil (Lee Pace) in the movie, the better!
Then again, perhaps it would be a profound relief. Not having to hazard death in a fight and instead just march back a few hours/days earlier than scheduled? One could see that as a worthy trade.
Ya! How come everyone else gets to ride something, but there's those poor elf warriors on foot! They must have the stamina of Jesse Owens! They walk/run everywhere and then fight like the devil!
Willing to declare war, and willing to put the lives of thousands of his kin in danger, all for a necklace. Some may call Thranduil selfish, but this shows just how much he loved his wife, and how much she meant to him.
Or maybe he merely foresaw that the Orcs would move on Erebor and overcome the Dwarves there. Which is what happened, and they almost lost even with the help of the Woodland army, the Men of Laketown, and Gandalf himself. It doesn't take a military genius to realize that, and no one wants rich Orcs for neighbors.
True - without that scene it makes you assume he is cold and heartless even though we could understand why. I also love how he puts Legolas on the path to meet Aragorn
the hatred between elves and dwarves started in the first age. King Thingol asked the dwarves to put a silmaril into a necklace. when Thingol came to claim it the dwarves were filled with greed and they wanted the necklace for themselves so they killed Thingol. the elves went after the dwarves in revenge for their king and killed almost all of them but some ( i think it was two) of the dwarves returned home and lied about the elves not giving them proper payment causing the strife between the two races. (all this is from the Silmarillion)
Yeah, that deleted scene is shown in the Behind the Scenes footage. It was filmed and should have been in the extended version, but the studio execs edited it out. What a stupid move! It explained Thranduil’s motivations clearly.
Luthien and Beren is Tolkien's best story by far and its a love story. Honestly that story is 100x better than the entire LOTRs. Action, Drama, Romance and very epic.
Thranduils crown is so badass...such an awesomely designed crown usually items that are sharp and narrow usually are associated with bad/evil intentions but since it is wooden it fits perfectly since it tells you that Thranduil as a character is in a moral gray area it also tells you that he doesn't value the gems as much because if he did his crown would be studded with them.He instead values what they represent to him. The last remaining memory of his wife. As usual the prop makers at ILM prove why they are the best in the world.
I read that when Elves are married their souls connect and never marry another since it against their nature. And seeing Thranduil alone and pained with the loss of his wife just makes me sad because THEIR LITERAL SOULS CONNECTED! It’s so tragic and painful for a character so great.
The only reason thranduil didn't go with his wife to death is cause of there son he had to raise him since Legolas was probably quiet young when she died Legolas even said he didn't remember her so he was either a child or a baby when she was killed
Gems of Lasgalen were an addition to the story by Jackson. Basically, the story is loosely based on another story from Silmarillion. Instead of Thranduil, the elven king was Thingol and the name of the necklace was Nauglamir. Nauglamir was the most precious work of dwarven smiths and it was made for the elven king of Nargothrond, Finrod. Nargothrond was sacked by Glaurung, the father of dragons. Hurin found the necklace after the death of the dragon and tossed it on the ground in front of Thingol. Thingol appointed the dwarves to place a Silmaril, stolen from Melkor by Luthien, to the Nauglamir and the dwarves delivered. The dwarves decided to keep the necklace as payment, kill the king, sack the elven city, and lie to their fellow dwarves of what had happened. Elves sent soldiers to kill the dwarves and dwarves retaliated by sending an even greater host, stealing the entire treasure from the elven city of Doriath. Beren retaliated, killing the dwarves and claiming the Nauglamir which then he gave to Luthien.
Nauglamir wasn't Thingol's to keep. Nauglamir was made by dwarves for Galadriel's brother, King Finrod. Dwarves simply demanded Thingol that he gives them back the Nauglamir since Finrod is dead. I hold Thingol responsible for the sack of Doriath. Even his wife, Melian warned that Nauglamir and Silmaril will bring great destruction to Doriath.
@@MuhammadAhmad-pl4sj Yes but who was it that agreed to place the silmaril on the nauglamir? Was it not the dwarves who agreed on the request of thingol? They should have just demanded nauglamir, instead they agreed on the commission. No it was not the dwarves to keep after placing a silmaril of which luthien and beren stole from melkor.
Seriously Lee Pace was Absolutely marvellous!!👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👍👌 And of course gorgeous!!! They should do a movie about just Elves lives!! 👏👏👏👏 And to the ones who put thumbs down if you’re not a fan of the movie why you’re here?? Stay out with your negativity!! Shew off!!🙄🙄👎
I totally dig Thranduil's immense drive to recover those jewels. I mean, yeah sure he has Legolas as a living memory of his wife but Legolas is of his own and his son would not be around him all the time and eventually go on his way. He would at least have those jewels as a constant reminder of his beloved through the thousands of years after he lost her.
0:29 "When Eluriel died I lost everything, until those gems arrived on my doorstep. In that moment I received some semblance of hope. An opportunity to grieve her memory. And Thrain took that from me. Stole that from me. _Killed that from me._ People keep asking if I'm back and I really haven't had an answer. But now yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back. So you can either hand over that necklace or I'll kill you with a fuckin' pencil!"
I like how he portrays the arrogance and pride of the elves. Shows you they knew they were above most races in wisdom, stature, art, grace, and lifespan.
Idk In art ,war and other aspects dwarves seem clearly superior, considerijg they had mithril,such advanced unbelievable weapons and such durability that dain the ironfoot killed around 3,600+ orcs alone during War of Rings outside Erebor(not in movie) before being struck by an arrow. I would clearly prefer dwarves in architecture and war and tools
@@BarlasofIndus Not war. Definitely not war. The only things the dwarves have are weapons and numbers. Thranduil >>>>>>> Dain in a fight. And if we go off Tolkiens verse, Fingolfin could essentially solo Ironfoot.
That is contentious. When elves die they go to Valinor in the Halls of Mandos and get reincarnated there that was the gift of the Elves which is to be always bound to Arda. All the Elves of middle-Earth were allowed to go to Valinor so maybe Thranduil will be united with his wife again as it is known that some time during the Fourth Age all of the elves in Middle-Earth are either gone or sailed West.
Beautifully edited. You restored a character arc that was otherwise broken in the original cut of the film -- because the most important scene was cut for some reason. There are many beautiful moments in the Hobbit trilogy that was lost to the mess of a production that it had. Including this.
Tom Moore Thank you so much for your kind words! I was exploring the arc of Thranduil's story as it was hinted throughout various scenes in the movies, as well as learning how to rearrange audio clips and work with multiple layers of audio.
ya, she is annoying. That ass-pulled elf-dwarf romance was annoying too. Good to know they just made it all up, in reality "Tauriel" doesn't even exist.
@@Amphitera uh-huh that's what you mean but little do you know that Legolas was not supposed to be in the story, go back to lord of the rings ya sliky hair the book is damn short bet almost anyone here read it, don't like it go tell the director :) bruh it was described as elf with hoods on and dark green clothing or something get some sense
All he wanted was the only treasure other than Legolas to remind him of his wife. Having it stolen, and the thieves refusing to give it back would send anyone over the edge.
@Claire Youmans oohhh my could you please let me know when you publish it and where (fanfiction or AO3 I assume). Or let me know your username and I will follow. Please please please!!
One thing I appreciated was how the guard behind him tensed and/or reached for their weapons when Tauriel pointed an arrow at him. I always appreciate the background actors doing more than standing around with deadface waiting to be needed again.
It's a cool look, but not very practical for someone who has to ride between trees. The book implied Thranduil had horses, but where he kept them is anyone's guess. I mean, living in a cave and all.
He is sooo epic. Pretty elf eyes of his. I find him one of the most intriguing characters in middle earth. Can I just wake up one day and be so gracious and mysterious and shrouded in beauty like him !?
I absolutley love Thranduil,its obvious that he loved his son (but idk why legolas didnt show affection towars him),he loved his kin and did all what he thought its right to protect them,its shown how deeply he was saddened by elven soldiers death and about the gems they belonged to him,thoren was wrong in not giving it back
0:24 That is the Thorin we love. He didn’t understand why the gems wouldn’t go to Thranduil, since it belonged to him. And when taking the Mountain, he just mocked Thranduil’s desire to have the gems. Greed kills you. If your valuable goods are in your head and your heart you’re done for.
Thorin’s succumbing to Dragon’s Sickness hits harder when you acknowledge how surprised he was to his grandfather’s greed and disrespect towards the Woodland Elves when he openly denies their king his dead wife’s gems, whether or not he knew what that necklace really was.
The grief from losing a loved one can torment the race of mortal men all their lives. Imagine an elf experiencing the same grief for thousands of years.
Search yt for the Thranduil cosplay Lady Gaga parody (I think the song is called Donatella). It's all about his utter fabulousness! ; ) It's actually really good!
I didn't even realize that this mini-story existed within the Hobbit movies and I've been re-watching it a lot lately. Thanks for this bit of Middle Earth lore presented in video format! :)
Fan Httyd tauriel is still with him, but yeah, the hobbit is pretty much a tragedy. thorin and all his heirs and another large portion of his people are dead, same with thranduil who lost many of his people, son and his wife's remains
Wow! This was brilliantly done! I've only recently come across work by Lee Pace and haven't seen the Hobbit movies so I've been piecing bits together to get the story. Your work is masterful in it's combination of clips joined with emotionally moving music. Your work presents a coherent story that maintains the emotion of the scenes. Thank you for taking the time to put this masterpiece together.
Lee Pace in 'Miss Pettigrew Live For A Day' made me fall a little bit in love with the guy. It's a great movie too, so you should definitely check that out.
WHOA!!! Thank you! It now all makes sense! The movie made the elf king seem greedy for jewels but your edit helps see that he did it all because he mourned his dead wife
Peppergirl27, I just replayed your video and noticed that one of the suggestions I mentioned in my previous comment you already included. An oversight on my part for which I am sorry. The scenes with Thranduil really are the best part of the Hobbit movies for me and it is a pity that some of them got cut. Makes absolutely no sense at all. Thanks again for all the effort you must have gone to to make this.
Actually, Gandalf wanted eveyone to treat him like that, thus making him look like someone weaker than what he truly are. after all, He needed to socialize with the lower classes of middle earth, how would he do that if he is treated like a Demigod?
The Vampire Champion he is grouchy, older than the hills and forgets stuff though lmao. the wizards are given restraints on their powers and are basically limited to only protecting and consoling..unless the ruler or person is very evil, nuts or cursed of course.
Who is the most dominating actor in history and best looking? Lee Pace who plays Thranduil. I like how he looked in Twilight as a red haired vampire. The other day I was telling someone how 3 actors from the Hobbit series played vampires. The actor who plays Bard made a handsome Dracula in DRACULA UNTOLD. Aidan Turner who played Kili played a vampire in a series who worked night shift in a hospital ad a doctor. Pace was in another movie I have on DVD called MISS PETTIGREW LIVES FOR A DAY. Movie is set in 1939. DVD is dated 2007, only he was not in it as much as I would have liked.
I love the moment of Gandalf counseling Thranduil. The way he looks up at Mithrandir, the angelic being who was there when the world was made, reminds me of a hobbit looking for guidance from a wise old man.
The look of pure horror on Thranduil’s face when Gandalf asks “which would she have you value more” is a gut punch. Even more so because it’s an ambiguous moment. One could assume his horror is realizing that he has been neglecting his son in favor of the gems. But sadly his and Legolas’ relationship is SEVERELY underdeveloped in these films to the point where you could go either way in guessing how close they really are. But I think his look of horror at Gandalf is more like “how could you even think that I don’t love and value my child?” mixed with a sudden fear that he may have unintentionally caused Legolas to feel like he was less important than the gems. Whether Legolas actually believes this or not is up for debate but it’s clear that Thranduil fears that he does. When he finally tells Legolas his mother loved him, you can see in Legolas’ face that he understands his dad is referring to himself as well as his mom. Both of his parents love him more than life. Such stellar acting by Lee Pace and Orlando Bloom; it devastates me that they didn’t have better development from the script.
Anybody who’s curious about how ‘the rift’ started.. it was the dwarves. They started it. I forget the names so I apologize to any Tolkien fans out there, but basically there was this elf that brought some gems to the dwarves to be turned into jewelry, because dwarves were some of the best jewelers. Long story short, the dwarves did as they were instructed, but took the completed jewelry as payment for their work, and there was something else about how all gems rightfully belong to the dwarves, I think? The elf was pissed, of course, when he came to retrieve and pay for his jewelry only to be told he wasn’t getting it. But basically dwarves started it.
Your wife, the gems, your son, they are never yours. What was borrowed must be returned, and all you keep are the memories with them. Honor the memories, make good ones, for in eternity these shall be your keep.
Elves are my favourite race, they are so elegant in literally whatever they do whether its fighting or not, theyre armour looks amazing as well so clean and nice designs on it
There's one scene missing here... "-Tauriel: If this is love I do not want it. Take it from me. Please... Why is it hurt so much?. -Thranduil: Because it was real."
“You think I give a dead dog for your threats, ya pointy-eared princess?!” - A single dwarf riding astride a boar with his back turned to the elvish king and army that he was roasting I typically lean towards liking the elves more, but that was just savage lol
Really nice video! Thank you for taking the time to edit all these great Thranduil moments together. It really shows the emotional inner turmoil that motivates Thranduil and makes him, imo, the most fascinating character in The Hobbit series. If you don't mind, I do have one suggestion and that would be adding in a couple of things if you are able to do it. There is a scene where Thranduil tells Gandalf about the white gems. He describes them and says they are strewn on silver and he wants them retrieved. This scene was before the scene that you have where Gandalf tells him that his wife left him a son. Also, I think it would be great if you could extend the final scene of Thranduil telling Legalos his mother loved him more than life up through its conclusion where Legalos leaves to include the final shot of Thranduil's face as he is left standing there alone. It is such a powerful emotional moment because even though there is the sense of the beginning of a restoration in their relationship, the sadness on his face is heartbreaking as he realizes he must endure yet another loss, even if only temporarily, from the soon he dearly loves. One reason I really love your video is that it really highlights the emotional depth of Thranduil through all the non-verbal communication. Lee Pace does such a masterful job of creating Thranduil and expressing the many nuances of his emotional complexities because of his ability to totally immerse himself in the character and become him rather than just act the role. That is a rare quality and skill that most actors don't possess and this video you have made really captures it beautifully.
I couldn’t have put this any better myself. Lee Pace is amazing with the depth of emotions he exudes and it’s all done so subtly, but you can still see it laid out bare in front of you. He manages to do this in every role I’ve seen him in, a truly gifted and rare actor. He totally becomes the character so you feel you are not looking at an actor playing a role but at Thranduil himself. I’m so pleased I discovered him through his wonderful portrayal of Thranduil. He has a reputation as being the nicest man on earth too.
O'm not so sure it was the gold. Some people believe that the Arkenstone is one of the lost Silmarilli, the one that was tossed down a crack in the earth at the end of the War of Wrath. Erebor is clearly an extinct volcano where it might have been sent back to near the surface. The Silmarilli caused a kind of posessive madness in those who owned them.
@@godzillavkk I read that same comment over and over again and I began to ask myself: but really tho? If you look at it closely, the Dwarves ARE pretty bland. The only ones who got some personality are Thorin (for obvious reasons), Balin (the wise old dwarf) and Kili (love story). The rest... doesn't really have a purpose or at least we don't really build up a connection to them as we don't learn a whole lot about them. Did you know that Gloin was the finance manager of the group? No? Cause it's not explored or even mentioned in the movies and only explained in interviews and behind the scenes videos. While they tried to make every Dwarf unique and give him a "valid reson of existance" and depth (the individuality of one of them is being fat, yeay...), they didn't actually display that in the movies at all. That's one of the reasons why the farwell-scene between Bilbo and the Dwarves doesn't really feel like anything. It's not nearly as emotional as the meet-again in LotR, because we don't really know any of these Dwarves. And they simply covered it up with one of the cheapest tricks of Hollywood: add a bit of lovin. Doesn't matter if we don't know anything about Kili, what his personality is or what his goals are. The sheer display of him loving someone makes him sympathetic. And that's dirt cheap and doesn't make him less bland. The whole love story pretty much adds nothing. It only pretends to do so.
@@godzillavkk OR they could have given them some personality instead. The argument "there are too many of them and you can't explore all of them" is kind of redundant since the fellowship consisted in 9 people aswell and it was more than possible to make them distinct. Same could have been done with 3 or 4 more dwarves in the Hobbit. Some individual dialoges, some insight into their background or goals, it would have been pretty easy.
@@godzillavkk That's a textbook false dichotomy, as if this forced (and yes *bland*) love story was the only way they could try to make the dwarves interesting.
Okay, is it just me or do we need peter Jackson to make an origin film with Thranduil as the main character and how legolas's mother gave her life to save her son's life. What a great arc that can be
Yeah. World Peace and Universal Compassion are like the two ultimate goals of any sentient race and yet they are the two easiest things to achieve. All they require is a change of mindset, something you can do in two seconds. But getting every single person to do it at the same time is impossible. Technology and the internet are bringing us closer to a day where it could happen though.
Not with the Elite wanting to 'regain control of the internet' That is get control of our mind, thoughts and attitudes. We are always being given two bad 'choices' like Hillary or The Donald. It's utter anti democratic BS, anti truth and democracy but as the rich get more powerful they need us less so, besides who needs workers, we've got machines and overpopulation. This century will see the murder of billions via race wars and starvation etc. The powerful rule!
Thranduil was born before the War of Wrath because he took part in it (not to be confused with the one in which his father died). The War was in 587 AD. Then the great angabandu dragons / lizards appeared and he said he was fighting them. He was born in the heyday of Doriath, Elrond was born after the fall of Doriath and we know Elrond is 6500 because the date is given (532 of the First Era) we also know that Elrond was very young during the War of Wrath and did not fight dragons and Thranduil did (of course also was young), which means Thranduil is 7,000 years old (the same as Celeborn). Thraduil was compassionate but reasonable. He just saw the nightmare of wars and his heart as book says was "deep dark and wounded and the memory reached back to the nightmares of war" Intelligent, successful, very disciplined and able to see the bigger picture. He is my favorite character.
The king of the woodland relm eyes😭😭😭 he's hurt, in pain, that pain he feels turns into frustration,..... excuse me Lord thranduil for weeping like a child.....
Gandalf: "She left you a son. Tell me, which do you think she would have you value more?"
Damn, I wish they had left that in the original cut. It's so blunt, yet so powerful a statement.
The only time Gandalf felt like Gandalf in that movie.
Agree with both comments. Like instead that idiot troll scene with the malfunctioning staff... maybe that 'value more' one?
In that scene, Gandalf was truly Gandalf, who speaks small wisdoms that opens one's eyes to things they should focus on. An advisor who instead of leading just shows leaders the possible right/better way (as it was his original role)
That’s why I don’t remember these words from Gandalf? They were cut!!🙄👎
Extended editions are so much better. Still havent watched BOTFA EE, but I'm gonna!
@@friedpickle8332 What are we waiting for?
Who else thinks that Lee pace did a spectacural job in acting Thranduil? I do
I love Thranduil and Lee pace did an awesome job.
He is fantastic!
He totally owns that role. I can't imagine anyone else playing the elf king!
yes very that
Jahnavi Candrika me!
They could do an entire movie based inside the woodland realm and it would be amazing
That would be awesome! But there's going to be a LOTR TV show based on Aragorn's early life and Tolkien wrote he visited the Woodland Realm many times before
Alright, I hate to be the lore expert in the comments, but a show on the Woodland realm would not work AT ALL. The Woodland Elves don't have a movie worth of lore, or a show worth of lore. They only make sudden appearances here and there, but their lore is very bland. They could always make some show and make up their own stories for the Mirkwood Elves, though it wouldn't be as good as something based off of Tolkien's works. Overall, a show based off one group of Elves would be pretty bad.
@@juliaj7939 name of the show?!
I need that film and/or series.
A film on khazadum I think it’s spelt would work much better
Time for Thranduil to get his own movie.
Cosmic Thanos he don't deserve a movie, he's not a relevant character
I would love to see a movie with Thranduil they can show him and his wife together before she died and how she died in the war so well know more about why thranduil wanted the gems.
@@coriesoap1069 you just wanna see thanduril doing fangirl stuff again don't you XD
Hmm, a bio-pic about Thranduil growing up, meeting and marrying his wife, raising Legolas, and even overseeing Smaug’s attack on Dale/Erebor from afar while fighting giant spiders from Mirkwood in between
we could get silmarillion at the least
Thranduil defended the woodland realm without having any ring of power.. how badass!
@Claire Youmans Mithrandir got the ring from Cirdan, who was Narya's original bearer. Upon the wizards arrival in middle earth Cirdan had a vision that Mithrandir would need the ring more and gave it to him.
well, to be fair, his realm is in shambles because of Saurons presence. and his kind are less wise and noble than the galadrim. its not like everything is working out in Mirkwood
@Claire Youmans but why have that non-canon suspicion if we know canonically that its false? and he is definitely not the character to deny a ring of power. even in the hobbit they say he is greedy for treasure and power
Thranduil and his elves have their own powerful magic which is stated in the book. Thranduil casted his spell on his cellar doors, enchanted river to prevent anyone from entering his kingdom, his guards created illusion of feast on Thorin's eyes, Tauriel healed Kili and Thranduil also used magic to hide/reveal his scar. So yeah elves don't need rings of power as they are born with gifts
I think Thranduil was one of the most interesting and complicated characters in the tale, despite taking up really very little screentime.
I wonder though if the symbolism was inspired by different ethnic groups in the real world. The dwarves are portrayed as shorter and having big noses and a greedy affinity for gold. The elves seem like the Nordic whites by contrast, long straight blonde hair, blue eyes, tall. And for generations the hobbits and elves have been in a cold-war, again just like the uneasy relations between the whites and Jewish peoples. Thoughts?
@@BoopSnoot You make a terrible analogy that is not supported at all by the text. It was Sauron's corrupting influence through one of the rings of power that drove the dwarves to insatiable greed.
I have a theory about how Thranduil's wife died. There's a scene in Desolation of Smaug where Thranduil shows Thorin that he has felt dragonfire and reveals his horribly disfigured face. Legolas says that there is no grave and no memory of her. I think that Thranduil lost his wife to dragonfire and there was nothing left of her to bury, hence why he values her gems so dearly.
Sean Corcoran Perhaps. I actually really like that. The IMDB page for DoS does mention that they meant for the scars to be an injury to Thranduil's fea (spirit) showing through to his hroa (body) because the two are so entwined and it was a moment of intense emotion for him. But I do like that theory. Hmm.
she died in a slaughter in gundabad centuries ago, legolas even tells it Tauriel when they arein gundabad
Sean Corcoran It's not a theory, these gems belonged to his wife, they were rightfully his to take. #FuckingDwarves
#sotrue
His theory was about the way in which she died, not why he wanted the gems.
imagine if they concentrated on this, instead of that accursed love triangle.
Yah, the love triangle seemed like a bad idea that no one would tell Jackson was stupid. The emperors new clothes etc.
It wasn’t PJ’s idea. It was the studio execs who insisted on the love triangle, along with lots of fight scenes and scenes with Alfrid and Thorin. They did not care about the other character’s backstories.
What is the triangle? Tauriel + dwarf and?
@@tomasdyntar7423 and Legolas, he likes Tauriel
True brahh
Those gems represented his love towards his wife. Elven love is forever and a sacred bond being immortal love to them is much more important than mortals. As he could have lived forever loving his wife but knowing he can't hurts him and drives him to get the gems back.
Just the opposite in reality... mortal love is far more meaningful as you are choosing to spend the only life you have, your one brief window on Earth, with another person.
Let's be real though if immortal beings existed none of them would be married or in love with the same person forever. You gonna spend 10,000 years smelling the same rank pussy over and over? You'll grow tired of that.
Yawg moth we are talking in the mythical sense elves are immortal and stay forever youthful. They cherish love because if an elf loves another elf they can experence life together for eternity.
+Spark Of Culture do they stay forever tight?
StriKe jk I think so because they have eternal youth.
If the elves were so superior, then why did they need a bunch of stupid jewels to keep the memory of a loved one? That is literally letting worldly posessions replace your real emotions.
Karl Marx calls this the fetishisation of commodities, and that is literally what the elf King is doing here. Ironic, since it is the very opposite of natural. Only occurs in societies with highly divided labour. Even humans don't do it naturally, it's a disease of civilizations and "primitive" societies don't do it.
Hell even in LotR, the hobbits seem to be immune to material greed. Supposedly, it's a specific weakness of dwarves (and humans to a lesser degree), but here it is the Elf who literally kills for a trinket. At least the Laketowners are literally at risk of starvation, while the dwarves are defending their inherited posessions.
Just love lee pace’s voice its so deep and calm, and he was the perfect person to play thranduil
cant imagine anyone else as this character honestly
@@peachlume i agree
All that and the man is absolutely gorgeous!! 🥰🥰🥰
I feel so bad for Thranduil. Elves live forever and he lost his soulmate. Destined to spend eternity alone, without even his wife's gems to comfort him. Dwarves truly are greedy for trying to make him pay to get his family heirloom back. The money wasn't even an object for Thranduil, it was the principle that an old "friend" would try to profit off of his grief. I totally understand why he turned his back on them.
Yes, he wanted the dwarves to make the gems he gave to them into a necklace but after they were made, he was too greedy. It wasnt the elves that wanted this war, it was the dwarves.
yeah those fcking dwarves are so damn greedy , they have tons of golds and gems in that mountain but still they want some payment from thranduil ..like for real that small piece of lasgalen gems is just like 0000000.1% of their wealth , they could've just gave it away instead.
@@jeydidelacruz455 I know they’re already naturally greedy but it had to have been that ring Sauron gave them. One of the seven rings of the dwarf lords. That and the whole gold sickness in the mind. Maybe that ring of power belonged to Thorin’s grandfather before it passed on to his dad. And maybe it still had some influence over the mountain hence why Thorin went mad for a bit. Just a theory
Don't lie Bateman, you don't feel bad for anyone
@@jeydidelacruz455 who are you to decide what someone else should do with their property? That 0,0001% still belongs to the dwarfs so they are entitled to do with it as they see fit.
Thranduil only became an isolationist after the death of his wife, meanwhile, the reason he was willing to lead his entire army to war with the dwarfs for a handful of jewels was purely because of these treasures belonged to his wife. Also when Thorin and his company entered his kingdom, they were captured by the woodland elves and were treated as his guest, they were imprisoned after they annoyed Thranduil after the dwarfs insulted him. In addition, Thranduil's woodland elves were only 'isolationist' to dwarfs but were friendly to us men, they have close trading ties with people of lake town. If you get into the woodland elves territory, you will be treated as their friends. And before I forget, Thranduil, helped Bard and his men after the dragon destroyed their homes, it was not like what's been portrayed in the film that he 'bribed' the men with materials to fight for him, he came with good intentions.
CentreLeft Libertarian Perhaps, but it's quite hard to make a music/clip video from a text only source! I do understand that the books and movies are different. This project was only meant to show Thranduil's story as it was portrayed in the movies.
Where in the many books of ME history did you find info about his wife? There isn't any. The only mention of his wife and her supposed passing is from the film writers. If you support that storyline, then you really can't disagree with how they portray the rest of the relationships.
He became isolationist after his father Oropher died in the first battles of Mordor prior to the arrival of High King Gil Galad and King Elendil. Thranduil abandoned the Last Alliance and took his people to Greenwood the Great.
EternalXSamurai Sure he died? I thought he became a leader of the silvan elves somewhere
ST3Intrigue new head canon: she had an epic magic battle with the witch King of angmar, and almost had him beat with her light magic, but then he finally used his ring and summoned a serpent of the north to kill her, leaving nothing but ash and white gems in her wake while he transforms into the first nozgul and is later slain by thranduil after he sustains serious burns from the battle and is forced to retreat. the dwarves later find and gather the white gems of lasgalen from the battlefield and inform thranduil of them but refuse to give them up when he refuses to pay a ridiculous amount for them fashioning the gems into a necklace he did not ask for, believes disrespects his wife, remembers the nature of dwarf greed and realizes the convenience thror has created for himself. the dwarves were a tragic race, corrupted by greed brought on by a silmaril, their gold and jewels, the seven rings and their hatred for the elves.
gandalf 's quote to Thranduil that.... its not the gems that his wife left him is what he should love and care for ..but the son she gave him...is epic.
Wish they didn't cut it
No it shows gandelf is a villain
Well it's true his wife would want him to love there son not some gems
Thranduils voice is liquid gold - I could listen to him speak all day. His face is so full of emotion that it hurts. Wonderful performance by Lee.
There was also the clip where Tauriel talks about star light being memory. Without the gems, Thranduil feels he has no monument to his wife. Perhaps that is why Legolas says there is no memory.
Pretty ironic, really, he had a monument to his wife all along and never realised it: his son.
Yeah! but after reading the book i have no memory of Tauriel or Legolas
But one of Thranduils most unreasonable talks is this - one moment he would go to war just for these gems, and at the other moment he looks upon his dead warriors and says that he lost enough of elven blood for this cursed land. And where is logic in this? To me a big land where ppl can live safely is more worthy of fight a war than a bit of jewelery, which are presiouss to only one man as a memory for his lost wife.
Tallis Keeton he is king.
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I read somewhere that when Tauriel says "There's no love in you" to Thranduil, she was utterly wrong, and actually he had loved so much thay he had been hurt very deeply upon losing his wife, and he couldn't love anything without feeling great grief. Tauriel's love for Kili was going to be used to highlight this.
Yes that’s correct. Though all of this was made up for the movies. We don’t get much insight into Thranduil’s relationship with his wife in the books: and his reasons for being at Erebor have nothing to do with her.
@@golwenlothlindel Yes. All he wanted was the white gems (denied to him by the dwarves, for some obscure reason) so he went to Erebor to try to get them from Thorin. He did NOT want to go to war (in the book) but was talked into helping the people of Laketown get back what Smaug stole from them from Thorin. He did eventually get some of the white gems back in the form of a necklace "of Silver and white gems", thanks to the generosity of Bilbo, whom he, the king, named elf friend. Jackson completely changed the written nature of the Elven King. Still a good story, but very different from the book. I didn't mind, of course. The more Thranduil (Lee Pace) in the movie, the better!
Shows dwarfs and gabdekf are villains
Must suck for your commander to have you walk all the way to Erebor , get there and him just goes "nah, back"
Very, very nice reference. Sad one though...
Then again, perhaps it would be a profound relief. Not having to hazard death in a fight and instead just march back a few hours/days earlier than scheduled? One could see that as a worthy trade.
Ya! How come everyone else gets to ride something, but there's those poor elf warriors on foot! They must have the stamina of Jesse Owens! They walk/run everywhere and then fight like the devil!
But it doesn't suck as much as walking all the way there and then having to die in battle ;)
I mean they are elves I don’t think walking is a burden to them. They probably enjoyed it or were content with the backflip
Willing to declare war, and willing to put the lives of thousands of his kin in danger, all for a necklace.
Some may call Thranduil selfish, but this shows just how much he loved his wife, and how much she meant to him.
You sound like that king from Shrek.
“Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.”
Simp
@@strongholds12 yea, thranduil simp
His elves are very loyal and will fight for him no matter the cause
Or maybe he merely foresaw that the Orcs would move on Erebor and overcome the Dwarves there. Which is what happened, and they almost lost even with the help of the Woodland army, the Men of Laketown, and Gandalf himself. It doesn't take a military genius to realize that, and no one wants rich Orcs for neighbors.
I understand now why the gems are so valuable for Thranduil, and I hate more Thror and the dwarves for playing with it...
arturoggf thror likely knew they were his wives' but I'm not so sure thorin did. he was shocked when thror refused to hand them over .
RukudoSage69 Yes, I was thinking that Thorin did looked surprised when the chest was closed... So he probably didn't know...
I don't think Thorin knew, or anyone else. It was only Thror who knew. But yes, he is evil and should die.
Katie Miller no he's just a dwarf you dont give a fk. I hate materialistic people
You're being too cruel, Thror had been corrupted by the Last of the Dwarven Rings. He was supernaturally greedy.
He's 6500 years old so he probably has a very peculiar way of thinking that we mortals can't fathom...
That does not mean that the manner of thought of Men is to be of any less considerable importance or relativity.
I thought he was more than 10,000 years old coz he lived during the first age.
@@qwertylink9066 I think he's like 8,000+ years old
Seems weird that for that long time he didn't figure out how to take his belongings out from that mountain.
@@Michel_Guitard ok but who asked?
Yes he should have his own movie based on the elves. He’s superb as Elven King, his voice, his built, his facial expressions, everything!
these scenes show that thranduil is not heartless and mean.. he just want the best for his people and his son..
Che Lee 😂
True - without that scene it makes you assume he is cold and heartless even though we could understand why. I also love how he puts Legolas on the path to meet Aragorn
Thranduil was such a well played character he’s legit one of the coolest characters in the hobbit trilogy
the hatred between elves and dwarves started in the first age. King Thingol asked the dwarves to put a silmaril into a necklace. when Thingol came to claim it the dwarves were filled with greed and they wanted the necklace for themselves so they killed Thingol. the elves went after the dwarves in revenge for their king and killed almost all of them but some ( i think it was two) of the dwarves returned home and lied about the elves not giving them proper payment causing the strife between the two races. (all this is from the Silmarillion)
well, That deleted scene should be in the movie...
yeppers
In the extended edition it is
Nia no, it isn't and that's unforgivable
Yeah, that deleted scene is shown in the Behind the Scenes footage. It was filmed and should have been in the extended version, but the studio execs edited it out. What a stupid move! It explained Thranduil’s motivations clearly.
Before watching this I used to just think he was an greedy Ahole who entire army to War for handful gems. I don't why that last season was not there.
I have to admit King Thranduil is sooo MAJESTIC!! He portrayed THE KING OF ELFS perfectly!!
Would be cool to have Gondolin too and have King Turgon portrayed as how he is in the Silmarillion.
Hello
Please make another movie about Thranduil and his wife!
It would be pure fan fiction.
@?, ?, 😂😂
They can't. Tolkien never wrote much about Legolas and his family.
@Child of Selene I'm a woman and nothing he said was misogynistic.
Luthien and Beren is Tolkien's best story by far and its a love story. Honestly that story is 100x better than the entire LOTRs. Action, Drama, Romance and very epic.
I wish that scene hadn't been deleted!! The one where Gandalf confronts Thranduil about valuing his son, I mean.
Thranduils crown is so badass...such an awesomely designed crown usually items that are sharp and narrow usually are associated with bad/evil intentions but since it is wooden it fits perfectly since it tells you that Thranduil as a character is in a moral gray area it also tells you that he doesn't value the gems as much because if he did his crown would be studded with them.He instead values what they represent to him. The last remaining memory of his wife. As usual the prop makers at ILM prove why they are the best in the world.
I read that when Elves are married their souls connect and never marry another since it against their nature. And seeing Thranduil alone and pained with the loss of his wife just makes me sad because THEIR LITERAL SOULS CONNECTED! It’s so tragic and painful for a character so great.
The only reason thranduil didn't go with his wife to death is cause of there son he had to raise him since Legolas was probably quiet young when she died Legolas even said he didn't remember her so he was either a child or a baby when she was killed
Gems of Lasgalen were an addition to the story by Jackson. Basically, the story is loosely based on another story from Silmarillion. Instead of Thranduil, the elven king was Thingol and the name of the necklace was Nauglamir. Nauglamir was the most precious work of dwarven smiths and it was made for the elven king of Nargothrond, Finrod. Nargothrond was sacked by Glaurung, the father of dragons. Hurin found the necklace after the death of the dragon and tossed it on the ground in front of Thingol. Thingol appointed the dwarves to place a Silmaril, stolen from Melkor by Luthien, to the Nauglamir and the dwarves delivered. The dwarves decided to keep the necklace as payment, kill the king, sack the elven city, and lie to their fellow dwarves of what had happened. Elves sent soldiers to kill the dwarves and dwarves retaliated by sending an even greater host, stealing the entire treasure from the elven city of Doriath. Beren retaliated, killing the dwarves and claiming the Nauglamir which then he gave to Luthien.
Thank you. This is the epic that PJ borrowed, and used.
Nauglamir wasn't Thingol's to keep.
Nauglamir was made by dwarves for Galadriel's brother, King Finrod. Dwarves simply demanded Thingol that he gives them back the Nauglamir since Finrod is dead. I hold Thingol responsible for the sack of Doriath. Even his wife, Melian warned that Nauglamir and Silmaril will bring great destruction to Doriath.
@@MuhammadAhmad-pl4sj Yes but who was it that agreed to place the silmaril on the nauglamir? Was it not the dwarves who agreed on the request of thingol? They should have just demanded nauglamir, instead they agreed on the commission. No it was not the dwarves to keep after placing a silmaril of which luthien and beren stole from melkor.
"How do ye of uncouth race dare to demand aught of me, Elu Thingol, Lord of Beleriand?"
Great point. Did not think of this. Totally a parallel, it seems
I still want a whole Thranduil movie and of course Lee playing it
Seriously Lee Pace was Absolutely marvellous!!👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👍👌
And of course gorgeous!!! They should do a movie about just Elves lives!! 👏👏👏👏
And to the ones who put thumbs down if you’re not a fan of the movie why you’re here?? Stay out with your negativity!! Shew off!!🙄🙄👎
I totally dig Thranduil's immense drive to recover those jewels.
I mean, yeah sure he has Legolas as a living memory of his wife but Legolas is of his own and his son would not be around him all the time and eventually go on his way.
He would at least have those jewels as a constant reminder of his beloved through the thousands of years after he lost her.
0:29 "When Eluriel died I lost everything, until those gems arrived on my doorstep. In that moment I received some semblance of hope. An opportunity to grieve her memory. And Thrain took that from me. Stole that from me. _Killed that from me._
People keep asking if I'm back and I really haven't had an answer. But now yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
So you can either hand over that necklace or I'll kill you with a fuckin' pencil!"
I like how he portrays the arrogance and pride of the elves. Shows you they knew they were above most races in wisdom, stature, art, grace, and lifespan.
Not all of them, Elrond is humble
@@leenaleewitch3731 Yes but those elves are also weaker then Wood elves. Wood elves were asshole but they’re also extremely skilled fighters.
@@Who-Uhm-Cares wood elves are also less wise/intelligent
Idk In art ,war and other aspects dwarves seem clearly superior, considerijg they had mithril,such advanced unbelievable weapons and such durability that dain the ironfoot killed around 3,600+ orcs alone during War of Rings outside Erebor(not in movie) before being struck by an arrow. I would clearly prefer dwarves in architecture and war and tools
@@BarlasofIndus Not war. Definitely not war. The only things the dwarves have are weapons and numbers. Thranduil >>>>>>> Dain in a fight. And if we go off Tolkiens verse, Fingolfin could essentially solo Ironfoot.
That cut out scene. It gave me insight as to why he was hellbent on retrieving the gems. His wife.
My heart feels so broken for him. He lost his love and now he has to live without her for the rest of the eternity. Always makes me so sad. 😔
There is always a another girl, love is a energy
@@Rajomega1 his wife is his life
@@Rajomega1 give em love dear
That is contentious. When elves die they go to Valinor in the Halls of Mandos and get reincarnated there that was the gift of the Elves which is to be always bound to Arda. All the Elves of middle-Earth were allowed to go to Valinor so maybe Thranduil will be united with his wife again as it is known that some time during the Fourth Age all of the elves in Middle-Earth are either gone or sailed West.
Who else can't get enough of Thranduil
No one could play Thranduil this good like Lee Pace! He did an amazing job.
Beautifully edited. You restored a character arc that was otherwise broken in the original cut of the film -- because the most important scene was cut for some reason.
There are many beautiful moments in the Hobbit trilogy that was lost to the mess of a production that it had. Including this.
Tom Moore Thank you so much for your kind words! I was exploring the arc of Thranduil's story as it was hinted throughout various scenes in the movies, as well as learning how to rearrange audio clips and work with multiple layers of audio.
Tom Moore thranduil was cut because the film needed more of Alfred.
Tom Moore after a few viewings, I don't find it that messy. Everything falls into place . Speaking for myself and my spouse
peppergirl27 where did you get the footage of Gandalf talking about her jewels or her son?
Brian Davis isn't that on the extended edition?
Thranduil is the only reason I love hobbit so much 😱😱😱😍😍😍 it's a pity he don't get much screen time in the movie 😭😭😘😘😘😘
Shut the fuck up
The emojis are a tad to much
@@AncientSavant7572 🤣🤣🤣
Pace did such an amazing job in this role. He could not have played that Elf better.
Now i understand Thranduil. Thanks a lot for this video.
I felt great when Thranduil cut that she-elf's bow.
ya, she is annoying. That ass-pulled elf-dwarf romance was annoying too. Good to know they just made it all up, in reality "Tauriel" doesn't even exist.
@@Amphitera in reality none of them exist
Well the other option was to make Kili and the rest of the dwarves save for Thorin bland.
Wth???
@@Amphitera uh-huh that's what you mean but little do you know that Legolas was not supposed to be in the story, go back to lord of the rings ya sliky hair the book is damn short bet almost anyone here read it, don't like it go tell the director :) bruh it was described as elf with hoods on and dark green clothing or something get some sense
All he wanted was the only treasure other than Legolas to remind him of his wife. Having it stolen, and the thieves refusing to give it back would send anyone over the edge.
5:00 "More than anyone... More than life ... *More than me, inplicit in the silence*" Masterpiece, how without a word, we understand it...
@Claire Youmans ))
@Claire Youmans oohhh my could you please let me know when you publish it and where (fanfiction or AO3 I assume). Or let me know your username and I will follow. Please please please!!
Implicit, but yes. Great observation.
One thing I appreciated was how the guard behind him tensed and/or reached for their weapons when Tauriel pointed an arrow at him. I always appreciate the background actors doing more than standing around with deadface waiting to be needed again.
Can we just appreciate how absolutely magnificent that stag is that he’s riding?
It's a cool look, but not very practical for someone who has to ride between trees. The book implied Thranduil had horses, but where he kept them is anyone's guess. I mean, living in a cave and all.
It's an Elk, not a stag
He is sooo epic. Pretty elf eyes of his. I find him one of the most intriguing characters in middle earth.
Can I just wake up one day and be so gracious and mysterious and shrouded in beauty like him !?
Bruh
@@em3sis Brah...
@@Darkboy2525 gay
@@h.o.2953 correct
Thranduil has a heart on his face.
Adriana Eskils lol I saw it 2
@@theepicolaf-gunther1389 where???
I absolutley love Thranduil,its obvious that he loved his son (but idk why legolas didnt show affection towars him),he loved his kin and did all what he thought its right to protect them,its shown how deeply he was saddened by elven soldiers death and about the gems they belonged to him,thoren was wrong in not giving it back
And gandelf let this happen
0:24 That is the Thorin we love. He didn’t understand why the gems wouldn’t go to Thranduil, since it belonged to him.
And when taking the Mountain, he just mocked Thranduil’s desire to have the gems.
Greed kills you. If your valuable goods are in your head and your heart you’re done for.
Thorin’s succumbing to Dragon’s Sickness hits harder when you acknowledge how surprised he was to his grandfather’s greed and disrespect towards the Woodland Elves when he openly denies their king his dead wife’s gems, whether or not he knew what that necklace really was.
The grief from losing a loved one can torment the race of mortal men all their lives. Imagine an elf experiencing the same grief for thousands of years.
Can we just talk about how *fabulous* Thranduil is?
Search yt for the Thranduil cosplay Lady Gaga parody (I think the song is called Donatella). It's all about his utter fabulousness! ; ) It's actually really good!
I didn't even realize that this mini-story existed within the Hobbit movies and I've been re-watching it a lot lately. Thanks for this bit of Middle Earth lore presented in video format! :)
Poor Thranduil! The gems were lost... His son left him... What does he have now?
Fan Httyd he has all that sweet pum pum,INCLUDING TALIA
His looks. He's Fabuuuuulous!
Fan Httyd so true
The hobbit 4 coming? :(
Fan Httyd tauriel is still with him, but yeah, the hobbit is pretty much a tragedy. thorin and all his heirs and another large portion of his people are dead, same with thranduil who lost many of his people, son and his wife's remains
Wow! This was brilliantly done! I've only recently come across work by Lee Pace and haven't seen the Hobbit movies so I've been piecing bits together to get the story. Your work is masterful in it's combination of clips joined with emotionally moving music. Your work presents a coherent story that maintains the emotion of the scenes. Thank you for taking the time to put this masterpiece together.
You absolutely have to see The Fall and the Pushing Daisies series.
Lee Pace in 'Miss Pettigrew Live For A Day' made me fall a little bit in love with the guy. It's a great movie too, so you should definitely check that out.
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ELVES: Fix your hair we're going to war
4:25 A persons greatest sadness can only come from losing their greatest happiness
Thranduil 👏 needs 👏 his own 👏 film 👏
WHOA!!! Thank you! It now all makes sense!
The movie made the elf king seem greedy for jewels but your edit helps see that he did it all because he mourned his dead wife
The look of pain and betrayal on Thranduil's face at 0:23 says it all - brilliant acting from Lee Pace ❤
Just do a whole series with Thranduil. Please.
Thranduil is one of those unique characters that you wanna slap and hug at the same time.
Peppergirl27, I just replayed your video and noticed that one of the suggestions I mentioned in my previous comment you already included. An oversight on my part for which I am sorry. The scenes with Thranduil really are the best part of the Hobbit movies for me and it is a pity that some of them got cut. Makes absolutely no sense at all. Thanks again for all the effort you must have gone to to make this.
Never quite understood how most of Middle Earth treat Gandalf as a silly old man. Hes just below a god for pete's sake! XD
Actually, Gandalf wanted eveyone to treat him like that, thus making him look like someone weaker than what he truly are. after all, He needed to socialize with the lower classes of middle earth, how would he do that if he is treated like a Demigod?
The Vampire Champion he is grouchy, older than the hills and forgets stuff though lmao. the wizards are given restraints on their powers and are basically limited to only protecting and consoling..unless the ruler or person is very evil, nuts or cursed of course.
"You would not part an old man from his walking stick" sneaky demigod
That's one of my favorite lines!
To be fair he didn't cast any significant, game changing spells to Blast some guys to smithereens.
The most dominating actor in history of movie and the bestlooking
Who is the most dominating actor in history and best looking? Lee Pace who plays Thranduil. I like how he looked in Twilight as a red haired vampire. The other day I was telling someone how 3 actors from the Hobbit series played vampires. The actor who plays Bard made a handsome Dracula in DRACULA UNTOLD. Aidan Turner who played Kili played a vampire in a series who worked night shift in a hospital ad a doctor. Pace was in another movie I have on DVD called MISS PETTIGREW LIVES FOR A DAY. Movie is set in 1939. DVD is dated 2007, only he was not in it as much as I would have liked.
That was so well done. Thank you for putting in that scene between Gandalf and Thranduil that SHOULD have been in the extended version!!
"You pointy-eared princess." I love the elves, but this is funny hahaha.
Bard : You would go to war over handful of gems?
*Feanorians laughing in the background *
I love the moment of Gandalf counseling Thranduil. The way he looks up at Mithrandir, the angelic being who was there when the world was made, reminds me of a hobbit looking for guidance from a wise old man.
It was advice to get his help
The look of pure horror on Thranduil’s face when Gandalf asks “which would she have you value more” is a gut punch. Even more so because it’s an ambiguous moment. One could assume his horror is realizing that he has been neglecting his son in favor of the gems. But sadly his and Legolas’ relationship is SEVERELY underdeveloped in these films to the point where you could go either way in guessing how close they really are. But I think his look of horror at Gandalf is more like “how could you even think that I don’t love and value my child?” mixed with a sudden fear that he may have unintentionally caused Legolas to feel like he was less important than the gems. Whether Legolas actually believes this or not is up for debate but it’s clear that Thranduil fears that he does. When he finally tells Legolas his mother loved him, you can see in Legolas’ face that he understands his dad is referring to himself as well as his mom. Both of his parents love him more than life. Such stellar acting by Lee Pace and Orlando Bloom; it devastates me that they didn’t have better development from the script.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER!!!!! THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL😭😭😭
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The way he turned. He’s so stylish
Anybody who’s curious about how ‘the rift’ started.. it was the dwarves. They started it. I forget the names so I apologize to any Tolkien fans out there, but basically there was this elf that brought some gems to the dwarves to be turned into jewelry, because dwarves were some of the best jewelers. Long story short, the dwarves did as they were instructed, but took the completed jewelry as payment for their work, and there was something else about how all gems rightfully belong to the dwarves, I think? The elf was pissed, of course, when he came to retrieve and pay for his jewelry only to be told he wasn’t getting it.
But basically dwarves started it.
It's hard to hear them in some parts and I feel for Thranduil alot.
Your wife, the gems, your son, they are never yours. What was borrowed must be returned, and all you keep are the memories with them.
Honor the memories, make good ones, for in eternity these shall be your keep.
It's true ,we kind of forget that we hit the grave alone .no one or nothing beside us .
Elves are my favourite race, they are so elegant in literally whatever they do whether its fighting or not, theyre armour looks amazing as well so clean and nice designs on it
Note to Thranduil.............insure that face for a billion dollars!
After knowing why Thranduil wanted the gems, he has become one my favorite characters of Middle-earth
There's one scene missing here... "-Tauriel: If this is love I do not want it. Take it from me. Please... Why is it hurt so much?.
-Thranduil: Because it was real."
“You think I give a dead dog for your threats, ya pointy-eared princess?!” - A single dwarf riding astride a boar with his back turned to the elvish king and army that he was roasting
I typically lean towards liking the elves more, but that was just savage lol
My all time favourite movies.... Hobbit Triology and Lotr Triology...my favourite. Thranduil awesome character....I from India
This was fantastic
Really nice video! Thank you for taking the time to edit all these great Thranduil moments together. It really shows the emotional inner turmoil that motivates Thranduil and makes him, imo, the most fascinating character in The Hobbit series. If you don't mind, I do have one suggestion and that would be adding in a couple of things if you are able to do it. There is a scene where Thranduil tells Gandalf about the white gems. He describes them and says they are strewn on silver and he wants them retrieved. This scene was before the scene that you have where Gandalf tells him that his wife left him a son. Also, I think it would be great if you could extend the final scene of Thranduil telling Legalos his mother loved him more than life up through its conclusion where Legalos leaves to include the final shot of Thranduil's face as he is left standing there alone. It is such a powerful emotional moment because even though there is the sense of the beginning of a restoration in their relationship, the sadness on his face is heartbreaking as he realizes he must endure yet another loss, even if only temporarily, from the soon he dearly loves. One reason I really love your video is that it really highlights the emotional depth of Thranduil through all the non-verbal communication. Lee Pace does such a masterful job of creating Thranduil and expressing the many nuances of his emotional complexities because of his ability to totally immerse himself in the character and become him rather than just act the role. That is a rare quality and skill that most actors don't possess and this video you have made really captures it beautifully.
I couldn’t have put this any better myself. Lee Pace is amazing with the depth of emotions he exudes and it’s all done so subtly, but you can still see it laid out bare in front of you. He manages to do this in every role I’ve seen him in, a truly gifted and rare actor. He totally becomes the character so you feel you are not looking at an actor playing a role but at Thranduil himself. I’m so pleased I discovered him through his wonderful portrayal of Thranduil. He has a reputation as being the nicest man on earth too.
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0:25 I find this part of the scene important, where even Thorin expresses his concern over the signs of his grandfathers madness for gold.
O'm not so sure it was the gold. Some people believe that the Arkenstone is one of the lost Silmarilli, the one that was tossed down a crack in the earth at the end of the War of Wrath. Erebor is clearly an extinct volcano where it might have been sent back to near the surface. The Silmarilli caused a kind of posessive madness in those who owned them.
Holy mother. After so many years, now I know the motive of thranduil- to have the belongings of his wife back.
Watch this movie countless times
i can't help it, i don't know why but i just didn't like the red-haired girl and i absolutely loved the part where he chops her stupid bow in half.
Well the other option was to make all the dwarves save for Thorin bland.
@@godzillavkk I read that same comment over and over again and I began to ask myself: but really tho? If you look at it closely, the Dwarves ARE pretty bland. The only ones who got some personality are Thorin (for obvious reasons), Balin (the wise old dwarf) and Kili (love story). The rest... doesn't really have a purpose or at least we don't really build up a connection to them as we don't learn a whole lot about them. Did you know that Gloin was the finance manager of the group? No? Cause it's not explored or even mentioned in the movies and only explained in interviews and behind the scenes videos.
While they tried to make every Dwarf unique and give him a "valid reson of existance" and depth (the individuality of one of them is being fat, yeay...), they didn't actually display that in the movies at all. That's one of the reasons why the farwell-scene between Bilbo and the Dwarves doesn't really feel like anything. It's not nearly as emotional as the meet-again in LotR, because we don't really know any of these Dwarves.
And they simply covered it up with one of the cheapest tricks of Hollywood: add a bit of lovin. Doesn't matter if we don't know anything about Kili, what his personality is or what his goals are. The sheer display of him loving someone makes him sympathetic. And that's dirt cheap and doesn't make him less bland. The whole love story pretty much adds nothing. It only pretends to do so.
@@xDarkestDemonx Well it was better than the alternative. Where EVERY dwarf save for Thorin would be bland. Because that's how it is in the books.
@@godzillavkk OR they could have given them some personality instead. The argument "there are too many of them and you can't explore all of them" is kind of redundant since the fellowship consisted in 9 people aswell and it was more than possible to make them distinct. Same could have been done with 3 or 4 more dwarves in the Hobbit. Some individual dialoges, some insight into their background or goals, it would have been pretty easy.
@@godzillavkk That's a textbook false dichotomy, as if this forced (and yes *bland*) love story was the only way they could try to make the dwarves interesting.
I love this edit. I have watched it many times since seeing the movies.
Okay, is it just me or do we need peter Jackson to make an origin film with Thranduil as the main character and how legolas's mother gave her life to save her son's life. What a great arc that can be
Given how he messed up The Hobbit, I would prefer not.
What a great edit, exactly what I was looking for when I got curious about the gems.
Interestng how TLOTR started with selfishness and covetousness and ended with friendship and abnegation. Makes one think.
Yeah. World Peace and Universal Compassion are like the two ultimate goals of any sentient race and yet they are the two easiest things to achieve. All they require is a change of mindset, something you can do in two seconds. But getting every single person to do it at the same time is impossible. Technology and the internet are bringing us closer to a day where it could happen though.
Not with the Elite wanting to 'regain control of the internet' That is get control of our mind, thoughts and attitudes. We are always being given two bad 'choices' like Hillary or The Donald. It's utter anti democratic BS, anti truth and democracy but as the rich get more powerful they need us less so, besides who needs workers, we've got machines and overpopulation. This century will see the murder of billions via race wars and starvation etc. The powerful rule!
Thranduil was born before the War of Wrath because he took part in it (not to be confused with the one in which his father died). The War was in 587 AD. Then the great angabandu dragons / lizards appeared and he said he was fighting them. He was born in the heyday of Doriath, Elrond was born after the fall of Doriath and we know Elrond is 6500 because the date is given (532 of the First Era) we also know that Elrond was very young during the War of Wrath and did not fight dragons and Thranduil did (of course also was young), which means Thranduil is 7,000 years old (the same as Celeborn).
Thraduil was compassionate but reasonable. He just saw the nightmare of wars and his heart as book says was "deep dark and wounded and the memory reached back to the nightmares of war"
Intelligent, successful, very disciplined and able to see the bigger picture. He is my favorite character.
The king of the woodland relm eyes😭😭😭 he's hurt, in pain, that pain he feels turns into frustration,..... excuse me Lord thranduil for weeping like a child.....
That was last thing that was part of his deceased wife. Thranduil asked fairly and Dwarves still refused.
Balin:"No one leaves here! Not with the kings consent!"
Thranduil:"Damn right"
The Soviet Union Escapes several minutes later.
Well done!!! Really fills in some gaps. Fantastic.