Going THROUGH The Hit
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- This video addresses a super common issue I see where students don't throw the disc out away from their body but instead continue rotating their whole body forward, never really allowing them to get a full hit on the disc.
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0:00 - Welcome back yall
0:33 - Backswing
1:43 - The forward arc
3:39 - How to stop this
6:03 - Not talkin about touch here - Спорт
I haven’t even watched the video yet and I already feel like this is going to be a personal attack at my form. 😂
Strong agree
ditto
Pretty convinced I was the Muse here
yep, you're dead
On our form Zack. You're not alone.
And I watched this more than once
still getting kicked in the nuts
A big help for me came from Ace It Disc Golf. The tip: don’t force your arm to come into the power pocket. The centripetal force of the rotation will bring it in. This helped me keep my arm loose and allow it to whip out.
The problem he describes is pretty spot on bas far as describing what I do wrong.
Same. And despite all the instructional videos I've watched, I don't think I've heard anyone else explain this basic part of the throw in this way.
Unfortunately I think this has been overlooked by me as well. Wish I saw this a year ago!
if i won the lottery i would fly josh to my local course and have him walk me through all my problems. this is spot on for what my biggest issue is right now. thanks!
I had to go to the field to test this out to make sure, and yeah, this is exactly what I have been doing wrong for many years. Thanks so much.
Literally what I worked on yesterday. Very difficult to do, but it definitely feels more powerful. Can’t wait to get this concept to feel natural in my swing.
This is exactly why Overthrow is at the forefront of form coaching. No one is close!
Thinking of your back shoulder as the "handle" of a whip can really help you mentally align all of these things to the hit correctly-without trying to maintain simultaneous thoughts about each separate piece. It also naturally creates the small "pause" that happens to allow the arm to launch forward into the power pocket and then to the hit.
The mental model of "throw to 10 o clock" is super helpful too. All the magic of your hips and shoulders SHOULD happen right around 10 or 11 o clock if the basket is at 12.
Both great tips
@@radagascar1serious question: how does the disc travel toward the basket if you throw at 10 o’clock?
This was one of my ah-ha moments! I never really knew how to put it into words, but I felt like I had an early extension and creating a what felt like "loopy" backswing gave me more time to plant my front foot and also for some reason it helps my elbow go forward and outward rather than going forward and rounding at like 12 o'clock (what you talk about at 2:30). Suuuuch solid advice. It allowed me to hit lines and took off no distance. Night and day change and made me fall in love with the game again.
This is it. I did this most of the way through my last round and was super frustrated, I just stopped tracking my drives altogether toward the end and it got a little better, but the biggest thing was the rounding off and finishing the pull at around 2:00 instead of 12:00-12:30. The frustrating thing is that players will say you're griplocking it or something like that, when it has nothing to do with the grip and if you start releasing earlier while still doing this, then you've created another problem.
This is exactly what I’m working on and info I needed. I’ve got my off arm more active and helping add power, but lost distance, and was pulling my shots. Thanks for the video 👍
Great video !! You are correct about super common issues !!!! I needed this video!!!! You rock !!!
💡!!! As a former baseball player and coach, I should've already known this. Gonna work on this in my next round.
I didn’t know about this separation of the hit and the follow through! Great job again Josh
Love this and all your content. Thank you.
Best explanation of Hit and Follow through out there. Thanks!
I’ve really been struggling with my back hand from trying to fix my form and your videos are becoming a major help
Very enlightening!
I always force the arm around and most of the time I haven't released it yet even at12:00.
Great teaching. Thanks
I think this will change how many players think about their swing (aka, pulll-through) while also getting them closer to figuring out their optimal elease point. I saw a question on a FB form check page earlier today asking about it. Your explanation of the backswing shape was helpful too
Nice to see yall are basically teaching the same stuff as seabas/sidewinder but for the masses
"Through the disc." So simple but something I hadn't thought of. That visualization is such a helpful thing, thank you!
great advice, I had been wondering this exact position!
This is exactly what I do and after watching a video from slingshot disc golf he says imagine your drawing a V with the disc and I thought that was helpful for me so I figured I would share on the comments to maybe help others with another visualization you can use. Love your channel man keep up the great work👍
I needed this Josh!! Thanks mang!!
Josh, you the man for helping me with my form!
Appreciated the touch shot clarification, I feel like I've just been incorporating the opposite of this advice for my touch putter throws :D
Hits the nail on the head for my most major throwing flaw - thanks for the tips! I try to keep the disc in front of my body and feel like my back is still facing the target (even though it is not). A work in progress.
You are good at explaining things. Thanks!
Good vid. This is something I've found makes a big difference while I'm currently learning leftly. If the pocket rotates around the disc comes out all fluttery, overly-turning, and inconsistent. I need to remember to 'open my elbow as a way to use the pocket more.
Learning off hand?
A great way to make the point without saying "keep your head down" which can be translated in ways that can cause injury.
Nicely done.
This is EXACTLY the video I have been needing
I just went to play a practice round tonight and made myself focus on executing this part of my swing. I had, indeed, been pulling it through my body. It added 30-40 feet to my drives and made them more accurate. No joke. Fantastic video! Thank you so much for sharing! 🤙🏼
Good work!
I believe the problem described here is the biggest issue in my form currently. Will work on this!
Bro this is great. Taking this video with me out to the field tomorrow.
Holy crap....this is an awesome video...I just sent a disc 100 feet OB into the woods due to the "wrong form". Thank you for this!!!!
Just set a “UDisc” course record working on this. I’m a 1.5 year playing AVERAGE disc golfer. This is the best video I’ve seen on DG out of thousands. I have an extremely hard time working on one thing at a time….so this video is perfect for me bc it’s more than one thing but it isn’t impossible to use it for extreme improvement your first time working on it. I par’d the first 3 holes that I usually birdie and then just trusted the swing path here and got on fire. Time to really work on my left arm bc I didn’t at all that day. Thank you guys!
Great work!
I finally know what I’ve been doing wrong! I recorded myself throwing and I couldn’t figure out that I was doing exactly this. Thanks !!!
I just broke 400 for the first time, but looking at video of my throws, something still looked really awkward. This video was exactly it, thank you! Can't wait to get back out to the field!
This isn't the video that fixed me but it's the one that made me realize what problem I thought I had (and did). Getting a full clean hit/snap is EVERYTHING. 400ft lasers from baby steps shifting weight and so much spin on the disc.
Ha. I’m pretty sure you are following me around and watching me play at this point. I’ve been struggling with this lately. Seems like I’ve been focusing too much on following thru and pulling everything right. I’ll be out a Perkerson Park this afternoon if you want to follow me again and make more videos about what I’m doing wrong.
I’m set up and ready to stalk
@@OverthrowDiscGolf lol
Great video!
Thank you, this is what I couldn't figure out, thought it was how my plant foot was and or few other things. I went out my door (11 acres ) and threw with this new knowledge and understanding and its crazy. I'm hitting my line is much more consistent now. Thanks again, this was a very frustrating part of my game.
I read 11 aces, but acres works too
“Hit” with the back of your wrist with your elbow high whipping your arm out to ten o clock and spin out as hard as you can from there. You can’t learn this you have to throw 1000 discs and feel it
Yes, this!
Exactly what I need, thank you
This is exactly what I need to work on. Noticed last week that controlling my head by keeping my chin pinned to my front shoulder helped a bit.
Wow i have been taking videos of myself and couldnt figure out why it doesnt look right i think this might be where one of my issues are. Thanks!
Somehow this is exactly the video I needed.
"Carrying the Pocket with the follow through" - that was the difference between me throwing 325' and 400' in a single distance field session. I saw you touch on this multiple times during the last monthly form review and was silently begging for a video on it! Thanks for hearing my brainwaves!
Brainwaves received
Great stuff!
best discolf teacher on youtube.
Always go back to this video so good
My walk up/approach on the tee pad helped me with this. I used to appoach the tee/shot straight on. Now i try to approach at more of 10 o' clock angle
I was recently able to get a disc that I usually throw 250 to about 270-280, and I think this is the reason why. Now that it's in my mind I can practice and focus on this!
Currently struggling alot with disctance and this surely helps. Whenever I watch slomos of my drives im like wheres my shoulders at . Currently sitting at 377ish feet in distance and would love to pump it to +400. Lets see if this helps! Thanks from the 5/5 content
Another banger!
Using this advice I felt (and heard) snap on my backhand for the first time ever today
I think the brace needs to be talked about in conjunction with this because that's how you stop the rotation and create the hit. Closed shoulders plus the closed hips is where the hit comes from
the not turning your shoulders to the target or opening up as you say i think is why im throwing 320ft drives instead of 375ft - 400ft drives on my understable rhbh
I've been consistently and frustratingly missing right with every drive, and up until exactly right now, I was convinced it was 100% footwork related. Went back to the video evidence after watching this quantent, and wouldn't you know it, my pocket is pointing forward well before the throwing arm is swinging out. Sadly I know that eventually there will come a day when there is nothing more I can learn from Josh that I can immediately implement into my game, but thankfully today is not that day.
I'd love a video on the balance between finesse shots and your average shots. Not up shots! But when to focus on power over accuracy(gaps/low ceilings) Maybe there's a sweet spot between both? McBeast seems to know it pretty well lol.
Yep. We’ll do an approach shot video first
I figured this out by realizing that at the point the disc is coming into the chest and creating an acute angle with the elbow pointing toward the target, I think about keeping my elbow pointed at the target so my shoulder-tricep-elbow section holds momentarily in the right position to make the elbow create a "hinge" around which this arc naturally happens.
that's huge. super clear
I'm going to have to watch a few more times because I'm confused. Am I to aim/release at about 2 o clock when standing still vs 3. Probably doesn't make sense without me drawing what I'm talking about.
So, just as an extreme example. If I am tryign to aim at the center of the basket as a reference point, I should try to throw my hand left of the basket?
Trying to figure out how to aim so I can hit gaps in the woods.
I needed this video much sooner than now, better late than never 😉
This is definitely something I do as I thought the “whip” from turning would just crack the disc out on the intended line… from what you’re describing as the disc rips out of the hand the shoulders should be closed and a line from rear to front should be aiming at the target line…?
Any thoughts on a drill to work on this (Windwaker maybe, focusing on keeping shoulder from opening)? Maybe something using bands/ProPull to have a cue as to where body position should be at disc “release”
Windwaker is the drill!
Thanks! I , will work on that drill and focusing on extending the forearm outward close to full extension at the elbow hinge at that point while not opening shoulders up (I’m surely robbing huge power from rolling my core open and never getting the disc arm fully extended)
damn. just started to discover this a few days ago and out comes the video. The power leak here is massive IMO. Doing a towel snap is a great demonstration. Try to snap it without ever pulling your hand back and suddenly stopping it. It doesn't work and doesn't snap people
I think what would have really helped solidify this is if you had an overhead view of the arm extension VS. pulling it around your body. But great video none-the-less.
Watched the vid a couple times. Think I don't fully get my forearm fully extended before the disc comes out but don't throw to the right, the disc goes straight at the target. Pretty sure I am using mostly arm in my throw as you suggested because my hit point is too close to my body. Just didn't understand how to change my throw to correct the hit point and get the hit point out further from my body.
Pretty sure I am getting this hit figured out. Seems I am getting my shoulders around too far before my arm is extended. To correct the rounding I have brought my elbow up higher and make sure to extend my forearm out away from my body a little sooner. Letting my legs and waist pull me through the throw. Thanks again for your vids. Like the way you guys break it down into simple parts of the throw. Simple but definitely not easy! 🙂
great insight but talk about the arc but you don´t reach out at 4:03 or 4.07, why,,, is it working that way to, to get the end hit. thx for greaat content.
What's your recommended BEST drill to help keep the left shoulder back? My brain knows no other way to move/rotate right now and it's a killer. Please help Obi-Wan!
I feel attacked 😂😂😂. Great tips! Even though it isn’t the focus of this video, keeping the “reach back” away from the body is so key to better accuracy and hitting longer distances consistently.
As for the focus of this video, I can tell the difference right away when I come in too tight. My arm does a weird hook in my follow through that looks like I popped my shoulder out and popped it back in 😅
I hear if you can pop that shoulder in and out at the right time during the throw you’ll get 600’
This is the exact issue I'm having at the moment.
I know this is the technically correct way to throw. I have a mental block that tells me if I do this, my disc is flying to the left as an early release does and therefore I release in the less-powerful position too far in front
Throw where it doesn’t matter if the disc goes left.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf this is where field work is crucial. Thanks again for the videos guys, great work as always!
3 min and you earned a sub
Would you consider going over Matty O’s form? It seems like he gets most of his power from snap and spin. Thanks 😊
Would love to
I love your stuff but this confused me. If the thrower was viewed from above, would the disc still move in a straight line from its furthest back point to the moment of release? Or are you suggesting an angle change to the left by about 30 degrees when it reaches you left pec?
The disc moves in an arc, however slight it may be. The best thing I can recommend is pulling up the Simon Lizotte slow motion video we have on the video and just watching the disc path
I have a question about the hand position on the backhand. Specifically where do we grip the disc: 3 o'clock? 2 o'clock? I know as a spin putter that gripping the disc at 12 o'clock compared with 3 o'clock will give me more spin and distance. I am curious on what the 'proper' hand position is for the backhand.
You basically want your hand on the opposite side of the disc as your chest when it’s in the pocket
Curious about your thoughts on people like Chris Dickerson and Kevin Jones who seem to release the disc from their right pec/in the middle of their chest
There are a couple of guys who get super deep into the pocket; GG and Gannon come to mind. It’s obviously a good thing but all of the why’s, when’s, and how’s I don’t fully grasp yet. It kind of destroys the “arm angle has to stay 90 throughout the throw” idea though. So I generally shoot fo no less than 90 and if the disc slides forward pre arm extension I wouldn’t stop it.
The arm angle does NOT stay 90° in long throwers. A much more acute angle is imperative if you care to throw distance.
I wonder if this is why I still struggle occasionally with nose angle. I've done a lot to improve it drastically but I have a feeling that the late release from bad form causes the disc to be at a slight different angle.
Could be. Could also be swing plane issue
As a beginner I’m definitely guilty of releasing during the follow through. Probably why when I try to crank it I throw right into the trees to my right. RHBH. So question.. is it an active movement with the arm/elbow or leave the arm loose to let it get to the hit point??
A bit active.
This video really helped. Now let me go practice
We’ll allow it
Took me a second to realize you were intentionally saying “pathed” and not just mispronouncing “passed” 😂 great video!
Josh you didn’t mention this but when you extend the arm through the hit, is it an active movement with the lead arm going out? Or is the extension of the lead are a natural consequence of rotating, etc.
Active
I feel like this is my biggest weakness. That's why I prefer super understable disc to throw on max hyzer. But when I get the Zeus to like hang up on middle finger it goes 25ft further than my mamba 375-400
I also fall forward off the tee like Conrad on full run up Zeus but not mamba
Nice.
Josh the "wave" in this walk-up is different from your past walkup instruction videos (where you hold the disc vertically on your left side with two hands). I LIKE THIS "wave" as more natural, and it probably sets the body perpendicular to the target (?), and duh Paul does something similar, but as someone who follows your instruction pretty diligently I'm wondering why you changed this and what's the theory behind it? Again, it works nicely but I'd like to understand your rationale, please.
I’ve noticed I have this problem when I try and release the disc on anhyzer. I can do what your saying on flat to hyzer release. But when I try and aim an anhyzer shot, I have to pick my aim point Massively different. I know it should be a little different, but I can feel myself always pull into the follow through and aim about 15 degrees further to the right than I was planning. Any tips?
Try to get an overstable disc to push right on an anhyzer. That’s my favorite drill anyways. If you can do that you’re probably doing it correctly.
Same here, hitpoint is far on the right, maybe because im so committed to 'paint the rainbow'
When I relaxed my head and neck everything started to happen.
Not sure how Andrew pres is able to stay so eyes forward
Tight
Gotta say this one confuses me. I understand the out-in-out idea behind the swing path, but I don't understand if you're realistically supposed to keep the throwing arm fairly loose and use the hips/off arm to rotate the body, how do you achieve this "hit" out away from the body? I know that for more advanced players, you do want to eventually incorporate the throwing arm actively swinging towards the end of the throw. Is this where we're supposed to achieve the hit?
Correct. An active outward move is used here
It looks like the disc path you’re describing should be more of a wide “v” shape instead of a straight line. Is that accurate?
Accurate
I think this swing-fault might be what's holding me back. It feels like it shows up whenever I try to give a bit of extra oomph.
I think it needs a name.
Oh, and a drill to fix it!
Wait. Wait. But I have a harder time just getting to the hit in the first place. Bad timing leading to early release is a separate issue that actually happens earlier in the throw. Please help!
Hard to say without seeing it, but I would check walkup angle and how it relates to swing path
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I think this checks out. I often find I’m walking up too straight or that my final stride is too straight. But I do think a video about causes of the early release and how to avoid it would be huge. I always recall the tragedy of PP’s early release approaching the green on 18 final round world’s 2021. 😢 And that was a standstill where she looks pretty well lined up.
At the moment I throw consistently between 120 and 130m (if I don't throw the disc to the ground or roll it or throw it to the sky), sometimes little more, and I'd like to reach 150m one day. My biggest problem is that I can throw 70% power and go just as far as at 100%, I just can't keep my form in check at higher power. How could I tackle this issue?
Slowly. This one is tough because you have to gradually increase speed and have your body get it. Unfortunately that usually means giving your body enough time to work it out
I have the same problem. I've found it's a combination of timing and the rounding that happens when I'm trying to crush it.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I'll try my best!
I havn't thrown above 100m yet what I know of (except in a few slightly downhill shots perhaps) and I watch loads of instructional videos and try and think of all the tips and tricks but of some reason I can't seem to put it all into practice when I am actually throwing. I know lot's of things I am guilty of when throwing but still.... If I could go up to at least 110m consistently on my drives I'd be superhappy. And damn it I've seen 13 year olds throwing further than me so it is clearly a form issue. lol.
(I have measured a couple of throws at 96m with u-disc, which isn't the most reliable way of measuring but something, lol, with the bad form I have.)
I think I should study Corey Ellis cause I am stubborn and really want to start my "run up" sideways of some reason.
What if the disc is releasing early left?? Like 8-9 o clock
Walk up more to the right
Has anyone taken lesson or form reviews from Josh? Are they worth it?
You help a lot of beginners with this channel, good job. If you would like to discuss the actual biomechanics of a disc throw, to help higher level players, please feel free to reach out to me.
@Overthrow Disc Golf this guy is the real deal. I think this could help a lot of players downstream, too.
Sure. Send me an email
He does more than just help beginners-not that there’s anything wrong with that-because of his ability to re-articulate what’s been so inaccurately described in the past by others. He’s also a resource for other coaches who are contributing to the growth of the game by working with new players in their community. As a former NCAA volleyball coach and a competitive ultimate player for 20+ years, I get value from OT’s content. I look forward to seeing what you’ll one day bring to the DG instruction game
Thanks so much for this video! This is definitely something I do incorrectly, but it seems like doing it correctly would decrease power (not disagreeing with you at all -- just saying for me, right now, with my current form and all its warts). Do you have any drills you can recommend to work on getting down the "feel" of this, either from yourself or Seabas, Ace It, etc? It would be great to have that kind of stuff included along with videos like this one, where the gist is then something like: "Here's something many do incorrectly, here's how it should look, and *here's how to teach your body what that feels like*". Keep up the great content!
Edit: I'm a goofball -- the Windwaker Drill was made for exactly this! ua-cam.com/video/y6CXx2joau4/v-deo.html
Beto!
My problem is aiming when trying to throw far
Super common.
This is the Dan Beto drill. From the pocket you throw the disc out away from you. I don't have it down myself yet, but I'm working on it.