I abandoned my DH the moment I saw this tree for this very reason. Doesn’t matter what the other tree is. Being pigeonholed into another 5s buff as 50% of my options sucks.
Don't think it's gonna make a difference in Mover vs. Non-mover because the cuplrits are in the spec tree, not the hero talent tree. People using Inertia and damage burst windows will still have access to Fel Scarred. Non-Mover will never have the Inertia amp, which is what's breaking the balance between the options. Blizzard just needs to remove flat % damage amp windows from movement abilities.
Hopefully they get it right this time. DF S3 no-mover build did not keep up with inertia at all, unlike most DH players/content creators thought it would when the season started.
I wish that the aldrachi reaver tree was more movement focused instead of mini-buff focused. That's not to say that I don't enjoy the mini buffs but there are too many. With this tree we have inertia, initiative, demonic/furious gaze, essence break, and reaver's mark. Totally agree that these two trees could have been the movement vs no-mover choice that the community is divided on. But instead I get the feeling the devs probably went the route of perma-meta vs mini-buffs which is not the choice the community wanted.
@@Jedithtv Its fun when its intuitive. The reason I've kind of stopped playing vengeance is because the new Frailty/mini-DRs isn't intuitive. Havoc is already approaching that point of not easily knowing what the best order is and this just further obfuscates it.
I was hoping for more spectacular animations. Blizzard mentioned that hero talents are supposed to be visible to anyone in the group, that you instantly see "ohhh thats an aldrachi reaver!" I sure hope these are placeholders
Okay, good that it isn’t interacting with most of the Glaive talents. If it did, you’d be locked into those talents for this tree and you’d be locked into this tree whenever Glaive talents are good. Decoupling them actually gives more flexibility.
@@Jedithtv that one legion legendary which gave you cdr on eyebeam for every target you hit, infinite eyebeams back to back in one big pull that was the shit man
Movement was fun for a bit but being stuck or pigeonholed into just sucks. I’m over it like I am Breath of Syndragosa for frost dk. I’m really hoping we see DH have more options in war within to get away from the movement build.
Yeah, having essb/inertia/initiative was pretty fun, but adding more makes it all feel exhausting. hopefully theres more iteration to stop this layering short buffs on top of each other-otherwise i think we will swing too far the other way and feel the same kind of fatigue we felt in S2 of DF.
I honestly wonder if they're testing it that you're supposed to be able to use reaver's glaive after every combo, so you're almost always weaving in and out of it. If they lock in the concept of it being glaive, strike, dance, repeat it would end up making the momentum much easier to engage with.
I think Furious Throws/Serrated Glaive and Soulscar interactions are bugged, it's supposed to work. Fel Scarred has to be well-cooked to be able keep up to those 9-slashes blade dances
One thing that feels a bit weird is the 30% dmg increase portion. It would be nice if there was some gameplay around optimising what ability you consume that with… but I feel like it’s gonna end being that u just spam chaos strike and that consumes it. For example: Thrill Of The Hunt makes ur first hit of ur next Throw Glaive do aoe fire damage around the target, where for each target hit by the aoe, there is a chance that immo aura and felrush get a cooldown reset. So on a big aoe pull you are probably guaranteed a proc. And imagine when you start chaining reaver’s glaives, as you showed happens once you “get rolling”, you’ll be pumping out immo/fel rush resets on aoe - would be insanely fun. It could also be a choice buff like reaver’s glaive: Consume Thrill with Throw Glaive for potential immo resets Or Consume Thrill with Demon’s Bite to cause aoe damage from up to 5 targets to be funnelled into the target for 10seconds
Looks promising if things like using chaos strike second make the 15% dmg buff become 30% and lasts twice as long - ie I hope that in ST u have incentive to use the empowers in a different order in ST vs aoe. Love that’s it’s off GCD too. Also need some crazy animations and sound effects to make it feel powerful.
If I can't be truly competitive on the spec without backflipping for damage next expac it's DOA for me. It should be a question of burst vs sustained damage or something, not straight up overall DPS discrepancy. Still hate it after 2 whole years. Please free us
Does reaver glaive use fury? Because as i see it, this could be a small issue, if it doesn't. With the extra resources i think that dh will have pretty much full uptime on the rotation, even if reaver were to cost like 40 fury to cast it. You get a lot more fury with this tree.
@@Jedithtv I see. If i were the dev team i would add a cost to reaver, prob 40, at least 30. With all this extra generation, you will still have full uptime, and consuming fury synergizes better with other talents. Maybe they should also consider increasing fury pool to 150 or even 200, to avoid overcapping with blind fury which is very common, But that's just what i think. Maybe they should also make reaver stack up to 2, so basically 6 fragments=2reaver glaives back to back.
This feels super clogged rotationally, you want to ideally get the 30% going into your essence break, but that would involve precasting BD before essence break, meaning you cant death sweep before meta. Also you probably want to get your 30% buff on the hunt, but then you can't cast eyebeam first for furious gaze. It feels a little underbaked to be honest. Great analysis either way! Love the attention to detail
How do you feel about the concept of mover and no mover being broken apart into separate DPS classes instead of being the subclasses within Havoc? I think it would be interesting to see both builds be able to be fleshed out into having their own variations instead of being variations themselves.
Demon hunter has definitely improved throughout Dragonflight, I just feel like all these buffs and dps windows are just excessive. I like the zoomer gameplay and I am 42 years old, but keeping track of all of these window buffs is starting to get exhausted. Great video as always, hopefully some of those passive bugs are fixed or looked at.
Does thrill of the hunt work on abilities like essence break? Or even the meta impact damage? I keep imagining situations like empowering annihilation with inner demon to potentially get a big crash with momentum or no mover builds, or something like a big death sweep from restless hunter if EB and/or meta wont consume the thrill buff... OR could you get a stronger dot from soulscar or a buffed immo aura for ragefire... more testing must be done!
The spec introduction is interesting to say the least, but the execution is poor, the spec have too much upkeep with buffs and less action or flowing with the DH kit already tight window on them. Aldarachi Reaver would be FAR better if they transformed some of the passives into interactive changes to skill so DH built combos with their abilities to extend said buffs until it reaches a burst of damage, far better than this passive tree+. I still curious about Fel Scarred though.
While every class and spec got rework ... we got nothing new... one throw glaive and some cloud that do 11k damage when using empowered spells.... -_- why blizz take out Fodder to the Flame .... While im watching videos of other classes, seeing the reworks and the new spells with reworked abilities and animations i have the dumb feeling that DH`s are let down ....
Outside of everything, ignoring tuning and interactions, it's honestly so -boring-, I'm watching mages with pet phoenixes call down hundreds of meteors and insane non-SKB playstyles, I'm watching paladins burn down the world with hammers, even a pretty much entirely passive tree like riders of the apoc is still very fun to play with. DH just seems so lackluster in comparison to what's coming out of other specs, maybe they're tuning it more towards Veng and I just don't see the vision, considering it's the only spec of the two that has more to gain from constantly shattering souls as fuel for it's spenders
to be completely honest.. hero talents make me not want to play the game.. they are uninspired and in case of dh add another tedious thing to look out for.. for every class I am interested in playing the hero talents and change give me the feeling they are making it play out worse and you know a system aint doing it is when you hope you dont feel/see it as much during playing so it does not make your class worse/more tedious
Doesn't anyone see that retail is dead ? It's just the same shit over and over again with a different skin slapped onto it. It's so convoluted too now that its just not fun in any compacity. It's the definition of insanity - repeating the same process over and over again expecting different results...
Spot on. Havoc *really* didn't need yet another 5 second buff window.
Yeah not excited to play around more small buff time windows...
I abandoned my DH the moment I saw this tree for this very reason. Doesn’t matter what the other tree is. Being pigeonholed into another 5s buff as 50% of my options sucks.
Follow up - the fel-scarred tree is a pile of useless garbage
Don't think it's gonna make a difference in Mover vs. Non-mover because the cuplrits are in the spec tree, not the hero talent tree. People using Inertia and damage burst windows will still have access to Fel Scarred. Non-Mover will never have the Inertia amp, which is what's breaking the balance between the options. Blizzard just needs to remove flat % damage amp windows from movement abilities.
Hopefully they get it right this time. DF S3 no-mover build did not keep up with inertia at all, unlike most DH players/content creators thought it would when the season started.
I wish that the aldrachi reaver tree was more movement focused instead of mini-buff focused. That's not to say that I don't enjoy the mini buffs but there are too many. With this tree we have inertia, initiative, demonic/furious gaze, essence break, and reaver's mark. Totally agree that these two trees could have been the movement vs no-mover choice that the community is divided on. But instead I get the feeling the devs probably went the route of perma-meta vs mini-buffs which is not the choice the community wanted.
Mini buffs are tiresome. I literally can’t keep track of them all in real time. Brain too smooth
@@Jedithtv Its fun when its intuitive. The reason I've kind of stopped playing vengeance is because the new Frailty/mini-DRs isn't intuitive. Havoc is already approaching that point of not easily knowing what the best order is and this just further obfuscates it.
I was hoping for more spectacular animations. Blizzard mentioned that hero talents are supposed to be visible to anyone in the group, that you instantly see "ohhh thats an aldrachi reaver!"
I sure hope these are placeholders
Thanks for a first look!
Okay, good that it isn’t interacting with most of the Glaive talents. If it did, you’d be locked into those talents for this tree and you’d be locked into this tree whenever Glaive talents are good. Decoupling them actually gives more flexibility.
Yeah exactly. Getting essentially a third charge of throw glaive feeding into soul scar would make it a lock in
Cant wait to try to get this into my essence break / momentum / meta window 😂
It's a bit much isn't it
I'm absolutely ready for some big eye laser play style.
I wanna shoot beams from both ends
@@Jedithtv that one legion legendary which gave you cdr on eyebeam for every target you hit, infinite eyebeams back to back in one big pull that was the shit man
@Jedithtv I shoot beams from 4 sides! ... after taco bell 🔔
I agree 💯 Jedith! I'm over it as well
Think we all are!
Movement was fun for a bit but being stuck or pigeonholed into just sucks. I’m over it like I am Breath of Syndragosa for frost dk. I’m really hoping we see DH have more options in war within to get away from the movement build.
Yeah, having essb/inertia/initiative was pretty fun, but adding more makes it all feel exhausting. hopefully theres more iteration to stop this layering short buffs on top of each other-otherwise i think we will swing too far the other way and feel the same kind of fatigue we felt in S2 of DF.
I hope and pray that Fel-Scarred favors the no movement build. its my favorite build and its probably because I am a boomer XD
Im right there with ya
me too lol
it does
thanks for testing it. keep it up
I honestly wonder if they're testing it that you're supposed to be able to use reaver's glaive after every combo, so you're almost always weaving in and out of it.
If they lock in the concept of it being glaive, strike, dance, repeat it would end up making the momentum much easier to engage with.
I think Furious Throws/Serrated Glaive and Soulscar interactions are bugged, it's supposed to work.
Fel Scarred has to be well-cooked to be able keep up to those 9-slashes blade dances
One thing that feels a bit weird is the 30% dmg increase portion.
It would be nice if there was some gameplay around optimising what ability you consume that with… but I feel like it’s gonna end being that u just spam chaos strike and that consumes it.
For example: Thrill Of The Hunt makes ur first hit of ur next Throw Glaive do aoe fire damage around the target, where for each target hit by the aoe, there is a chance that immo aura and felrush get a cooldown reset.
So on a big aoe pull you are probably guaranteed a proc. And imagine when you start chaining reaver’s glaives, as you showed happens once you “get rolling”, you’ll be pumping out immo/fel rush resets on aoe - would be insanely fun.
It could also be a choice buff like reaver’s glaive:
Consume Thrill with Throw Glaive for potential immo resets
Or
Consume Thrill with Demon’s Bite to cause aoe damage from up to 5 targets to be funnelled into the target for 10seconds
Let’s just hope using metamorphosis (because it does dmg) doesn’t eat up the thrill buff 🫠
Demonic/essb windows going tighter as expansions comes, 5sec window to cast more than 7 skills(maybe more) skills.
Looks promising if things like using chaos strike second make the 15% dmg buff become 30% and lasts twice as long - ie I hope that in ST u have incentive to use the empowers in a different order in ST vs aoe. Love that’s it’s off GCD too. Also need some crazy animations and sound effects to make it feel powerful.
Aldrachi reaver needs to be completely reworked!
If I can't be truly competitive on the spec without backflipping for damage next expac it's DOA for me. It should be a question of burst vs sustained damage or something, not straight up overall DPS discrepancy. Still hate it after 2 whole years. Please free us
Think we’re all on the edge of our seats waiting for fel-scarred to save us 😆
Does reaver glaive use fury?
Because as i see it, this could be a small issue, if it doesn't.
With the extra resources i think that dh will have pretty much full uptime on the rotation, even if reaver were to cost like 40 fury to cast it.
You get a lot more fury with this tree.
It does not use fury, as mentioned in the video. Bare in mind, each soul frag pick up is counting for 2 stacks when it should only be 1
@@Jedithtv I see.
If i were the dev team i would add a cost to reaver, prob 40, at least 30.
With all this extra generation, you will still have full uptime, and consuming fury synergizes better with other talents.
Maybe they should also consider increasing fury pool to 150 or even 200, to avoid overcapping with blind fury which is very common,
But that's just what i think.
Maybe they should also make reaver stack up to 2, so basically 6 fragments=2reaver glaives back to back.
This feels super clogged rotationally, you want to ideally get the 30% going into your essence break, but that would involve precasting BD before essence break, meaning you cant death sweep before meta. Also you probably want to get your 30% buff on the hunt, but then you can't cast eyebeam first for furious gaze. It feels a little underbaked to be honest.
Great analysis either way! Love the attention to detail
How do you feel about the concept of mover and no mover being broken apart into separate DPS classes instead of being the subclasses within Havoc? I think it would be interesting to see both builds be able to be fleshed out into having their own variations instead of being variations themselves.
Demon hunter has definitely improved throughout Dragonflight, I just feel like all these buffs and dps windows are just excessive. I like the zoomer gameplay and I am 42 years old, but keeping track of all of these window buffs is starting to get exhausted. Great video as always, hopefully some of those passive bugs are fixed or looked at.
Does thrill of the hunt work on abilities like essence break? Or even the meta impact damage? I keep imagining situations like empowering annihilation with inner demon to potentially get a big crash with momentum or no mover builds, or something like a big death sweep from restless hunter if EB and/or meta wont consume the thrill buff... OR could you get a stronger dot from soulscar or a buffed immo aura for ragefire... more testing must be done!
what if you play into the sigil build with this hero talent?
Helps a lot to generate souls!
I suggest watching my NEWEST video for Aldrachi Reaver!
The spec introduction is interesting to say the least, but the execution is poor, the spec have too much upkeep with buffs and less action or flowing with the DH kit already tight window on them.
Aldarachi Reaver would be FAR better if they transformed some of the passives into interactive changes to skill so DH built combos with their abilities to extend said buffs until it reaches a burst of damage, far better than this passive tree+.
I still curious about Fel Scarred though.
Has anyone tell you that you look like Skeet Ulrich from the Film Scream 1? ^^ If i were a director i would take you for scream^^ btw good video
nope thats a new one
oh well, at least i can lvl a WW monk via pandaria event to be ready for a reroll in WW >.
Well , more micro management for buffs and debuffs, f*** :). Why blizz cant stop adding difficulty to the classes?
I like the Aldrachi in lore, but this playstyle seems like it won't be for me. A shame. Thanks for the vid though, explains things really well!
Is that one the Tank? i ask because dont know nothing about DH
Both specs get access to both hero trees
It looks boring but maybe it plays good at the end :/ we'll see. But i still have hope for the Fel-Scarred spec.
We hold faith for fel scarred !
BROOOOO GO TEST THE OTHER SPEC THE TREE IS ON WOWHEAD RN!!!! IT LOOKS NASTYYYYYY!!!!!
Video coming soon : )
If we get any more windows, they might as well call our hero talent tree................The Microsoft 5 Second Travel Sickness tree.
Do you have the ui saved and is it shareable?
Its all default UI
@@Jedithtvwhat is your UI scale? I feel like my default ui has the quest box too close to the right target frame
so long as momentum/vengeful retreat is part of the rotation, DH will be annoying to me. I just want the BFA gameplay.
hopes for felscarred perma metamorph
While every class and spec got rework ... we got nothing new... one throw glaive and some cloud that do 11k damage when using empowered spells.... -_- why blizz take out Fodder to the Flame .... While im watching videos of other classes, seeing the reworks and the new spells with reworked abilities and animations i have the dumb feeling that DH`s are let down ....
Its an alpha.. lot of things bound to change..
There's so many tiny stuffs brooooo
Outside of everything, ignoring tuning and interactions, it's honestly so -boring-, I'm watching mages with pet phoenixes call down hundreds of meteors and insane non-SKB playstyles, I'm watching paladins burn down the world with hammers, even a pretty much entirely passive tree like riders of the apoc is still very fun to play with.
DH just seems so lackluster in comparison to what's coming out of other specs, maybe they're tuning it more towards Veng and I just don't see the vision, considering it's the only spec of the two that has more to gain from constantly shattering souls as fuel for it's spenders
looks awful. Why do we keep moving away from the core of made dh fun? too much buff management is not fun.
nothing screams “hero talents” about these
The animation on glave rly Lőw …:/
That will definitely be improved. A lot of the hero talents trees don't have their animations or even audio cues implemented yet
@@Jedithtv I wish you were right, but I really doubt it
Somehow the hero talents seem very boring without any thought process and literally refurbished buffs… feels quite mähhh
The point of them is to be non-intrusive and just add extra bonuses to what we already have
I wanna see Fel Scared. This one looks incredibly meh. Tired of the same DH. We need a change. We need new (really new) things.
Is it aldraki? Or chi?
It is Aldraki.
to be completely honest.. hero talents make me not want to play the game..
they are uninspired and in case of dh add another tedious thing to look out for..
for every class I am interested in playing the hero talents and change give me the feeling they are making it play out worse and you know a system aint doing it is when you hope you dont feel/see it as much during playing so it does not make your class worse/more tedious
Throw glaive is the most boring dh skill, oh boy a hero tree around it
Am i the only one who thinks this is booring?
Im with you
The lamest class design of hero talents i have seen go pick something to use your hero talents.....dunb.
It's a shame that youtuber Alpha get an invitation and the right gamers don't
It’s a shame you waste your time leaving a comment and thinking your opinion matters
looks really damn boring.
Doesn't anyone see that retail is dead ? It's just the same shit over and over again with a different skin slapped onto it. It's so convoluted too now that its just not fun in any compacity. It's the definition of insanity - repeating the same process over and over again expecting different results...
Lol
Still way easier than rogue already is 🤷 I’m looking forward to Aldrachi Reaver, and love playing inertia/momentum