Workers Pay for Privileged Students
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2021
- Former college students demand that taxpayers forgive their debts, but welder Chloë Hudson and Mike Rowe say that's a boondoggle and is UNFAIR to responsible workers.
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"Education should be free! No cost, no fees!" chant protestors who want their debts forgiven. Some symbolically burn their student debt, refusing to pay.
President Biden agrees they shouldn't have to pay so much. He'd forgive at least the first $10,000 of student loans.
He'd do that despite the fact that the government already offers generous repayment plans: Pay just a small percent of your income for years, and eventually all the remaining balance will be forgiven.
Seems like indebted students can pay -- but they'd rather taxpayers do it for them.
That upsets Mike Rowe. The protests "struck me as kind of self-involved," he says.
"I know guys who worked hard to start a construction operation ... had to take out a loan on a big old diesel truck," he adds.
Why forgive student loans, but not that loan?
"For some reason we think a tool that looks like a diploma is... somehow more important than that big piece of metal out in the driveway that allows the guy ... to build homes."
Politicians do act like college students are more important. In a rap video, Michelle Obama pushed everyone to go to college, and added, "If you want to watch paint dry, don't go to college!"
Quite the insult to blue collar work.
But in reality, too many people go to college, leaving a "skills gap" of millions of unfilled jobs - skilled trades which 4-year colleges mostly ignore.
Forgiving student debt would make that worse.
It would perpetuate a system in which colleges charge big bucks to impart little practical value.
People without college degrees do thrive in the skilled trades. Welder Chloë Hudson's made $150k/year with her work, after she got a "Mike Rowe Works" scholarship to a trade school.
She loves the work, and how useful it is.
"It's amazing that I can watch the Daytona 500 and know that my parts are on every Joe Gibbs race car that's out there going around the track," she says.
She chose welding after being shocked by the cost of college. She didn’t want incur all that debt.
"There is not a single loan I have ever taken out where I didn't have an expectation put on myself that I was going to repay it. So that's long hours. That's getting up at four o'clock in the morning and making sure I'm at work on time. That's staying late. It's working weekends, it's working holidays."
Yet now politicians want her to bail out those who got useless liberal arts degrees. She's not happy about that.
"I am taxed heavily. I mean, it's $25,000 plus I was taxed ... and it was not a good feeling to know that, you know, the government thinks that they can spend my dollars better than I can," she says.
The worst part is having to pay someone else's loans when I already paid mine.
Apparently that’s a bad way to think according to some of my “friends”
I gave up 4 years of my early 20s to get the GI Bill, and getting my engineering degree paid for. I can’t stand the kids on my campus saying it should be free.
Stop paying taxes. Problem solved.
Ain't that the truth.
Same here. Busted my ass to pay mine off after getting a job tangential to my area of study. I thought they were looking at introducing legislation to make the Universities accountable in situations where they continue to grant very expensive degrees with extremely low job placement rates. At some point they're knowingly encouraging a massive student debt bubble...
Woke college kids: “Corporations are greedy!”
Woke college kids: “The taxpayer should pay for my degree!”
Well there was a time when corporations would pay your tuition. What changed the government came along and said they'd make sure everyone can go to college. Of course this just made colleges increase tuition prices.
They do in the rest of the developed world. Guess the USA isn't smart enough to figure out a way to do it.
@@usernamunavailiable Now, almost all companies expect the workers to pay for their training, with no guarantee they will even hire them. SMH
@@SenorJuan2023 Yeah, so why is it then, that hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world still come to America and pay for an education rather than go to a free school in their own country?
@@dewfall56 HUNDREDS of thousands? LOL, perhaps a few go to the top IVY LEAGUE schools, but that's about it. and much of the time, it has just as much to do with networking with other elites than the education itself.
"There is not a single loan I have ever taken out, where I didn't have an expectation put on myself that I was going to re-pay it"
Summarizes it perfectly.
She has character.
College is not for everyone, especially those who do not understand how a student loan works.
These days, they can't tell time unless it's digital.
@@megabatmanmegaman8530 Imagine taking out a large student loan to attend a major university to get a degree that has a low salary range. Could have earned the same degree at the community college and not be in debt.
Which is everyone at 17
“We socialists fight for the workers”
“But also the workers should pay for the bourgeoisie’s degrees”
yup, get rekt.
I am 100% stereotyping here but it seems like those people burning their debt slips or w/e most likely have an Arts degree, probably some Ethnic Studies, maybe Psychology and History too. I don't see any engineers or medical doctors in the crowd. I went to college but already paid off my loans. Damn, I missed the gravy train.
Well if you fight for me, GET THE HELL OF MY SIDE. You have no clue about how I work or anyone like me works. You CHOSE your debt and I chose mine. I'm not demanding you pay my mortgage. So suck it up. Pay your debt and stop expecting others to pay for you
HELLO, it's the working class who needs student loans in the first place.
What exacly does socialists do? Look at venexuela look at sweden not really the truth.
@@lll9107 i for one think these colleges need to take the loss for teaching these kids a bunch of crap they can never use in the real world. from high school, these kids were scammed into these colleges on fraudulent claims, convinced to sign their lives away to attend, and are told lies about what jobs they can expect and how in demand they will be when they get out. rather than shift it to the tax payer why not shift it to the schools themselves. they seem to have more money than brains. defund universities and hold them accountable for their own lies!
They talk about their debt like they’re proud of it
They want the debt yeah then they can play at being a capitolist victim is about being a victim cuz their losers
@@ericrodwell8706 Time to stop blaming others.... Time to wake-up to the multi decade scam that our education system has become... No one should be permitted to Graduate High School
with ZERO marketable skills... As it is now, K thru 12 is mostly wasted time.
It’s also nothing to be ashamed of.
@@ericrodwell8706 but they know in the beginning how much the degree cost an they still chose to pursue it knowing there’s a chance they’ll actually find a job in there career parh
1. Similar transfer is evident in “green economy”
2. Liberal education in US colleges is useless to society. Reverse is true, MBA’s keep ruining and outsourcing American factories
Why aren't people talking about why it's so expensive for college.
Taxes they LOVE TAXES
Because it gets shutdown fast before it can spread. The media won't cover it because they're paid to not talk about it...as well as many other things.
@@insanemang9983 bro taxes without representation
Easy access to loans drove up college costs. Now all of us are expected to pay for the four year party time of the few.
It's expensive because it can be, ignorant ass people agree to pay it every day
Difference between intelligence and stupidity? Trade school graduate that has a choice of jobs vs college graduate that can't find a job.
I work maintenance at a college. Had a college kid say (with zero sarcasm) "I don't know why anyone would become an electrician, everything is going wireless"
Hilarious and sad.
Colleges are for idiots.
Wonder what he was taking lol
@@map3384
That’s quite a broad statement. It’s not that people are idiots it’s that they’ve never been exposed to a certain subject.
My head hurts p
A lot of these students look like the real decision is whether to pay their student loans or buy more Little Debbie snack cakes.
For so called broke indebted college students they sure as hell don’t seem to be missing out on many meals
If they cut down on the Little Debbie snack cakes, they'll be able to pay the school loans! 🤣
Facts maybe a gym membership
I'm dead
But Little Debbie snack cakes aren't expensive! :)
John: a bigger question that you need to address : Why is college so expensive? It goes up 5 to 10% every year and has for the last 30+ years. Why is no one looking into this?
In an effort to help students, and to make college achievable to anyone, the federal government created student loans. Tuition, which normally is limited by the ability of the student body to pay, suddenly had no such containment. Like a lottery winner, university leadership became very creative in finding things to spend money on. And they passed the bill to students who were themselves complicit by selecting schools with posh housing, expansive campuses, and semesters abroad. The road to hell is indeed paved with good intentions.
@@sampetrie340 Give me a break- Loans were privatized and thus those companies were incentivized to max out profits. Not to mention the bloated administration branch of colleges. This road was not paved with good intentions, it was paved with laziness and greed.
@@jacobodom8401 I am not quite sure that I understand your point. Is it that you believe that rising college costs is due to greedy lenders rather than the federal government ?
There is a lot of blame to go around (including quite a lot to the borrowers themselves), but the (honestly) good intentioned government plays its part. For better or worse, student loans are a response to a less wealthy segment of the population who desire the same opportunities for higher education as the children of the elites have.
The federal government plays its part by guaranteeing the loans, meaning lenders don’t have to worry about the credit worthiness of the borrower. If it weren’t for this intervention, it is doubtful that lenders would offer loans to very many students. The government also created laws making it impossible to discharge student loan debt through bankruptcy. No, the well-intentioned federal government deserve its share of blame for creating a bottomless well of money which schools and students are only too happy to avail themselves of. Which party is being “greedy”? Well, all of them.
@@sampetrie340 when I went to school in 2003 I was called into the student loan office at least 3 times that I remember. The counselor was pushing student loan money on me like a used car salesman. We can pay your rent, your food, car payment ect as long as I was in school. I said no thanks and only borrowed around 20000 which I paid off well over 10 years ago. Imagine what most kids do. Its messed up
@@PolPotsPieHole That is a scary story. They may have THOUGHT they were helping the students, but too often it didn’t work out that way. Good for you that you resisted the temptation to take more than you absolutely needed to achieve your well thought out goals.
“I spent money I don’t have on school and now I want the government to pay my debts”
The government: Sure! I’ll just tax the workers of America, give a portion to the schools, and keep a portion for myself! Oh, and you have to pay that back with your useless degree.
My wife wants our 3 kids to go to college "no matter what". The irony is she went to college, took out loans, and 20 years later STILL makes less than $20 an hour as a preschool teacher (no degree required). I told my kids (all teens) to only go to college if they want to pursue a career that requires it. Otherwise, save your money and don't go.
Your wife is a leftist elitist who thinks her degree represents her worth as a person. Her chosen profession might very well be a means to a political end. The new religion needs converts just like all other religions. What better place than in the schools.
You are a very wise man Larry!
Both my parents have degrees. I spent a year at a technical school and make double my mother, and even with my dad after 5 years. All with my loans paid off in two years. No brainer to avoid the college debt. The world will always need welders, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, ect. Also electrician is a good field to start now in with the large push for EVs as everyone is going to get 110, or 220v outlets for charging in garages. Inductive charging pads(for cars) as well, like BMW has for an opition. Or higher as 80a home chargers are on the way along.
@@tonyrmathis not true, but I can see why you would think that. She went to college to please her mother.
@Mike Quick true!
"Free", the professors will work for free out of the kindness of their own hearts.
they should be willing to considering the crap they spew.
@@jbkibs hahahahaha!!!
They are often not worth even that. They should pay the students for the privilege of teaching.
😂😂😂😂
I'd higher the welding chick..I'd find something for her to weld...even though I don't have a welding business 😄
I dropped out of high school at the end of year 10 and got an apprenticeship as an electrician. 7 years later and I just bought my first house, no college or uni degree required
I read this and I whispered to myself, “badass”. Good job kid!
@@CarGroves Thanks, it's a bit of a dump at the moment 😅 but I'm renovating it slowly
My electrician has 2 ferraris and just 3 employees. Being an electrician you're going places keep wiring bud
I have an economics degree which I never used. I jumped between jobs working as a paralegal and a medical coder, all which paid just a little above minimum wage. Then I did an apprenticeship for a cable technician and within just 3 months I was making $6-8k per month (my biggest paycheck was $3300 for just 1 week)
next step is I will self-study for a cybersecurity certification and start from scratch in the field of IT
Did you get a loan for your house?
"Free education. President Biden likes that."
Less than a month later: "No, no he doesn't"
trusting a democrat. not even once
*I believe President Biden likes what he's told to like.*
@Mike Sixx Unfortunately, there are those that will vote just to get the most freebies.
@@superbrownbrown "my ass been wiped"
I prefer to live in an educated and healthy population.
“You go to hell because I’m not paying it”. My thoughts exactly on me paying for someone else’s college. Instead of taking on student loan debt, I invested in myself with tools, equipment and vehicles. It has turned out a lot better than those I know with a degree.
You have a point as well. You spent money on equipment as a path to employment. College is supposed to be a path to employment as well. Why should a college student get that path for free, while you have to pay for yours?
Me too. I own about $75k in tools that I've paid for over the course of ten years. Those tools have allowed me to earn around 12 times that amount in those ten years. And I am free of personal debt. But being that we have a debt based monetary system, I want to get into investment grade debt past my eye balls.
So, apparently they are teaching absolutely NOTHING in college, especially about loans! The ironic thing about ALL this is, these are "supposed" to be educated people, so you'd "think" they would know a little something about a loan and how it works! Guess not!
@@barryallenflash1 They have to take classes on equality to get a degree.
They'll just learn to steal tools and hock them then burn down what you. Built
I wanted to he a carpenter as a kid. My mom steered me toward college instead. I did poorly in college and spun my wheels for awhile afterward. I became a teacher at 28 but struggled in that profession for many years. Now I’m 51 and have been building and selling furniture for about 6 months. I wish I’d listened to myself when I was as younger.
Been thinking about going into carpentry myself in the future, my senior year I made a nightstand in woodshop that I still have 15 years later and have always considered it as a nice side job/hobby to get extra dough.
FtheTAKERS!!!
Jesus was a carpenter! It's honest work with your hands. Not everybody is cut out for teaching, and fewer still for teaching for a lifetime and it is a lifetime commitment, really. I was a sub for many years and keep saying that I'm going back, but I just haven't gotten that far. Lol.
So when you do "poorly in college" you become a teacher... No wonder that the education in US is down the drain.
My husband wanted to be an art-history major. His dad thought that was useless. He pushed him into finance like him since he was paying. My husband hates math! He has an associate degree and a good job that he likes that pays well. He still wants to be a teacher: teaching art or history or music or gym. I had no idea what I wanted to do. I was pushed to get an associates in business while I figured it out. I dropped out hating it. I was pushed into nursing. I dropped out. I hated it. I was called into ministry while in nursing school. Went back to school and now just got my associates but finally know exactly what I’m doing with my life and am happy about it at 28. I give you props for making it through college doing something you hated! That is so hard! I’m so happy you found what you like and are doing it no matter how long it took! Some/Most don’t they go with what others want or money at the expense of happiness. Happiness isn’t everything but I’ll take it over money any day!
Yesterday "Read my lips, I'll forgive 10K of your college debt"
Today "Come on man"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
He got hit with that Truantinternationapressure
Citizens in countries with "free" education, mostly learn in grade school, that said "free" education is paid via taxes.
It cost money, and said money have to come from either the person, or the people, it dosen't come from empty air.
No it doesn’t come from empty air. As a citizen from one of those countries I can assure you that we are happy to pay our taxes to ensure all kids get the same access to a decent education. In a first world country your income shouldn’t determine your right to learn or access healthcare. That’s what a strong government does. It manages money correctly so all citizens can benefit.
@@hayesydays6333 great well some people have healthcare from their job and would perfer just to pay their loans with their money that doesn't get stolen from them with taxes rather than pay for every idiot to get an underwater basket weaving degree
@@dislikebutton3887 You’re obviously American. Good day to you.
@@hayesydays6333 I'm American. I think it's really stupid to think that everyone should pay higher taxes in order for a few people to attend college and get degrees. College degrees aren't necessary to be successful. Skilled trade jobs give people the money to be happy and live. It's not necessary to go to college to get good jobs. And it's stupid for everyone to pay higher taxes in order for people to for healthcare. If you would work and get a job, your company can provide the healthcare you want and you simply pay for it yourself.
I was pressured to go to college by my family. I dropped out , wasn’t for me. I’ve been at the same job for 23 years and do a lot better than them.
You were more responsible than most of the country! ;)
What do you do if you don’t mind me asking?
I got a grant to go to school. When I finished the first two years at a community College I dropped out. I found out it would cost me 25k to finish the degree and I would have a hard time making any money with a political science degree so I dropped out and started in the job market. I went from McDonald's to being a systems engineer with no College loan debt.
Exactly i also am upset with that mentality which was also brought on to them. My mom is the same my dad not. Im worried for my sister shes more of a pushover and i hope she takes her decision and not my moms desicion. I tell her atleast work for a year. Whats the rush?
This is the results of hard work, dedication, and perseverance. Not handouts!
@@brpadington Damn, good for you!
it's funny having gone through college for a 4 year degree i don't think i would recommend it these days as 2 year trade schools seem more attractive and practical. I took STEM
It does not have to be an either or. One can go to a trade school and be job ready after two years. One can go to college for something practical and be even more job ready and with fewer barriers after four years. One can go to community college for two, as they learn their trade, get an associates degree and apply that credit to a four year degree. As honorable as it may sound only presenting a higher quality workforce can the US set itself apart from so many places where the cost of labor will always be cheaper.
It depends completely on what you study. You have to go to college for STEM or medicine, which makes sense. But half of all college graduates have degrees in social science or liberal arts, which are completely worthless to society (i.e. no marketable skills). In which case a trade would have been a far better life choice. The problem is that the kind of students who take liberal arts or social sciences, either don't want to or can't do trade work.
I am fine with helping students get degrees _that the market needs._ But there's no way I'm paying for someone to take social sciences.
edit: I'm not saying there are no fields in social sciences/liberal arts with value (e.g. economics, psychology), I'm generalizing.
Depends on the career field.
Sure a university takes longer and supposedly opens more doors, but my local junior college offers trade certificates that will get people working fast. For example, there is a lot of construction in my area. A certificate in carpentry or welding would be a foot in the door to making not just a decent living, but an excellent living. My uncle is a retired welder and made enough as a single source of income to pay for everything his family needs, his three kids' college, and a comfortable retirement working only six months out of the year.
Too many "entry level" jobs around here ask for years of job of experience and a four-year degree and pay $30,000 a year. Add to that the glut of college grads and you see that prospective employees have to under-bid each other to be more attractive to employers.
I think I would have been a lot happier getting Electrical Engineering Technologies degree rather than the one I chose.
Hey! I was just listening to one of your videos earlier today. Good channel you got there!
$180K in student loan debt How do you get up every morning knowing you have this debt because of poor choices you made.
Shameless.
You get up every morning to go your Engineering job and get paid 100k, then pay off your debt in like 3 years.
As for the "useless degrees", idk... You wake up to brag about it.
Whenever someone says government should pay for something, it actually means taxpayers should pay. Because it's taxpayers that fund government. When students think their debt should be forgiven, what they want is for someone else to pay for their education.
I have a 4 year Degree and I think people who go to College should ABSOLUTELY have to pay their loans back.
Sure... but what if they can't? Not "won't" but can't. As in not "not disabled enough" for a disability discharge, but not able/hired to work for enough to even cover the student loan interest.
If you do what they tell you and take a "$0 monthly IBR" they will get crushed by the IRS for the 1099 "value" of the loan that got "forgiven"... and unlike the DOE, the IRS can come after you with guns and prison...
@@SefuDonalBastet What about the man who takes out a huge loan to buy a piece of equipment or property to grow his business, then certain politicians policies crush his industry, should tax payers pay for his loan too?
Maybe you should point the fingers at the education institution that is both profit driven and government funded for not teaching you to handle your finances properly.
No onee pointed a gun at your head and told you to take out that loan, you made a decision.
@@SefuDonalBastet If they are capable of getting a college degree, they are capable of working. You are talking about a VANISHINGLY small number of people and implying that it is a large number of people. You are talking about two, perhaps three, people in each class. Then people like you accuse those who want to carry concealed as "fearmongers" while engaging in......fearmongering. If they are healthy enough to go through the rigors of college matriculation, they are healthy enough to work.
As for the IRS coming after someone for the taxes for a forgiven loan (FREE MONEY), GOOD. They skinned me for what I EARNED, I see no problem with the IRS skinning them for what THEY DID NOT EARN.
@@SefuDonalBastet Bryan... this concept may blow your brains right out of your head, you ready Bryan?: You treat one group more favorably than another group, it's called... discrimination. 1) What about those who did pay off their student debt? 2) Or worked and put themselves through college? 3) Or funded and entrepeoured a successful business? 4) Equity is the new soy boy buzz word... but it's more a "me, me, me & FUCK YOU!" How about every USA citizen get $50,000 applied, to their choice of "forgiveness" and not DISCRIMINATE.
@Bryan Potratz Bryan... this concept may blow your brains right out of your head, you ready Bryan?: You treat one group more favorably than another group, it's called... discrimination. 1) What about those who did pay off their student debt? 2) Or worked and put themselves through college? 3) Or funded and entrepeoured a successful business? 4) Equity is the new soy boy buzz word... but it's more a "me, me, me & FUCK YOU!" How about every USA citizen get $50,000 applied, to their choice of "forgiveness" and not DISCRIMINATE.
My cousin tried to get me to go to college with him. He called me up AT MY JOB to tell me this. I asked him how I was supposed to pay for college if I quit my job. He said I would get a better job when I graduate college. I said "I'm making money now, I have money in the bank, and I have a car. You don't have any of those things."
Well, God bless you sir and everyone else.
college is a trophy for moms. If you don't go to college but still make bank, your mom will still be disappointed. Women are wired that way....
@@jamespruett27 NEVER simp.
Not all of us were born with rich daddies to gift us jobs, prick.
My mom came to this country and got on the job training and has been a senior pharmacy tech for about 20 years. No debt
I finished school last year
And let me say this,a lot of them did it to themselves.
A lot of teachers in high school always said have a clear direction for where you want to go,forget relationships and stuff,just focus and probably get a scholarship,but remember that a degree is simply a back up,invest in your craft
I got my scholarship while still focusing on software development,got my degree while still pushing contracts on the side
Graduated last year,moved into animation and game dev(which I learnt for free online).So I have zero debt and a Bsc. Hons Degree in computer systems engineering.
When they said have vision they weren't lying,and it comes with sacrifice,put off on relationships,put off on wild crazy nights with expensive bottles,etc.
Now at age 23 I'm self sufficient while watching my age mates complaining about loans,jobs,etc.
It's all about planning and direction.
I went into a school I could never afford,worked with some large companies on my own terms not for peanuts,
Now imagine all that and someone says take your hard earned cash and pay for my mistakes
I remember showing up as a freshman to college. I was a physics major. On our orientation day the chair of the dept addressed us and said "there are many majors you can take at this school and still party hard while maintaining a respectable GPA". He got this totally evil look on his face and followed that up with "this is not one of them. I have change of major forms right here".
So, did you full send it or change major?
We have a severe epidemic of people who refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions or decisions they make in life. Then they expect others to pay for their bad life choices
Guess they learned those lessons from the federal government and Wall St.
It all started with the obama administration.
@@dewfall56 It started way before Obama but he certainly exacerbated the situation
@@dewfall56 na. look at all the single parents on welfare. that has been going on for decades
@@dewfall56
It goes back further than that.
Getting a college degree doesn't mean they learned how to be adults. They are still expecting mommy and daddy, or you, to pay for their bills.
There not taught how to be adults. There taught everything will be easy just go for it
Those adults should march for lower cost, if i was them i would asked government: how dare you let those educators rig the price".
To the contrary, given today's climate on campuses across America, they're learning how to avoid being adults...
Getting a college degree in fact is and attempt to postpone their adulthood for at least another 4 years
1. Similar transfer is evident in “green economy”
2. Liberal education in US colleges is useless to society. Reverse is true, MBA’s keep ruining and outsourcing American factories
I took loans for college. I also went to community college and state schools. Not very much debt and it was easy to pay off. I'm so shocked that ppl are 180k in debt and didn't even major in STEM. So foolish.
"If everybody has a degree, nobody has a degree." -Me
A degree used to mean something. A small percentage of individuals would pursue them in order to distinguish themselves from the rest of the herd. Everyone else would join the regular old workforce. Then, everyone was sold a lie that you NEEDED an expensive degree to be successful. Now, everyone is equal again because everyone has a degree and you can't separate yourself from the next person. It has also had the unintended consequence of breeding generations of self-important snots. Most of these people graduate with some worthless degree and they prance around like they are some sort of intellectual. Meanwhile, they incur massive debt that they'll be paying off for decades. How bright do you think you are when you just got conned into $100k+ debt for a lesbian interpretive dance degree?
Im swedish and here school is free but generally it only allaws smart people to reach the top. I beliave that if smart people are educated and given opportunities society will move forward
I knew something was wrong when my Spanish teacher came from Spain to get we doctorate, because it’s free public college. And when everyone has a degree, it becomes the norm. To differentiate, you need to go to some place else or get yet another degree
"A degree is absolutely worth it." Really? So why are the grads not willing to pay that price? The disconnect is real.
Worth it only if it doesn't leave you with a lifetime of crippling debt.
Nobody is holding a gun to students' heads and forcing them to take on a "lifetime of crippling debt." People possess volition, agency, free will and choices. Private colleges costing $60,000-plus, annually, are not the only available higher education options. Those who willfully incur massive amounts of student debt so that they can obtain an utterly worthless and economically non-self-sustaining degree in a nonsensical discipline such as Women's Studies, Queer Studies, Ethnic Studies, etc., and then complain about their debt, attempting to shirk their debt obligations, are not deserving of sympathy and should receive none. That's a rational perspective from any person who believes that all adults are responsible for their own personal financial decisions.
@@luddity If you took that lifetime of crippling debt without any results post-graduation, the fault is entirely on YOU. Other taxpaying citizens should not have to compensate for your lack of competency.
@@Misaka-gt5yj Yet OTHER taxpaying citizens are forced to pay out of their wallet to buy useless stealth aircraft that's billions of dollars to "foreign aid" to israel
Michelle Obama is promoting college because that is where students can become indoctrinated with leftist ideologies... 🤦🏼♀️
I went for a four year degree, graduated, struggled in the job market and switched to the trades. Wished I had realized that sooner.
Same. I earned a B.S. in electrical engineering emphasizing computer chip design during 10 years of night classes while working full-time days. Engineering programs must be done in a very distinct order. You can't take electronics 2 until you finish electronics 1. You can't take electronics 1 until you finish circuits 2. You can take circuits 2 until you finish circuits 1. You can't take circuits 1 until you finish differential equations. You can't take differential equations until you are done with calc 3....which requires calc 2, which requires calc 1. The list goes on and on. Classes are not offered every semester during evening hours, so you are constantly trying to figure out what to take in what order to satisfy prerequisites. Hence 10 years to graduate. Anyway, graduated in 2002 during the tech bubble burst. Never worked even 1 day in the EE field. Now I'm a statistician in the insurance industry. My high school math, plus a couple of college statistics classes, would have gotten me to the same place I am today. If I could do it over again, I would have finished a degree in math instead of EE.
I realize I had a good guidance counselor. She flat out told me I shouldn't go to college and should go to trade school. I did that and don't regret it. I do buisness in real estate now but I feel if I went to school I would be a broke smart idiot if I did.
Same here
Same here !
If you were willing to start fresh in a new trade, why didn't you extend your B.A. to a Masters or more?
You and your team do a great job of explaining ideas, through different perspectives and evidence. A lot more people ought to be talking about issues this way.
I had about 20k in student loans . Went to trade school , paid my loans . Now I'm virtually debt free and own two homes . College is one way to go about creating wealth , but definitely not the only way .
College: would you like to attend? This is the cost.
Student: yes please, i acknowledge the cost.
College: please pay
Student: you go to hell
The problem is also big, expensive universities. I went to a community college and I only paid $2,500 a semester.
many students dont have to choice and are pressured by society to go to college
@@ericgan7742 That's as bad as saying "Many gang members were pressured by society to become a gang member so they shouldn't be responsible for the murders they committed." A person ALWAYS has a choice. It might be between many different options, all of which they don't like, but they have the choice, and therefore, the responsibility of living with that choice. Make the choice to get a degree in something marketable, make the choice to work during the summer to help pay for it, and make the choice to live frugally and pay back any loans as quickly as possible.
@@Kreeos Notice how every time the government ups the maximum amount a student can take out in loans the Universities up tuition to just over that amount?
Signing a contract for a loan with no intention of repayment constitutes fraud.
My father was basically illiterate and he dropped out of school in the tenth grade. This did not stop him from being a small business owner, though! He did well enough in life that he was able to take care of his family and still be able to have a life himself. I used to be ashamed he couldn't read, but now I see what he overcame despite it.
Just because someone can't read while doesn't mean you're not smart
You should be proud of him and what he accomplished 👍🇺🇲
@@alangilmer3392 The shame I felt originated from both he and my mom, but I never viewed my father as stupid or dumb.
@@heavymetalredneck7973 I am very proud of his accomplishments now. My dad not only couldn't read, he also grew up dirt poor so he had to overcome a lot in the early part of his life.
I feel you same case over here
Wait...
A welder super model? I thought those calendars were just depicting fantasies!
Is not like anyone’s forcing them to take the loans.. smh is like me going to a Ferrari dealership and taking a loan for one car then refusing to pay and expect them to let me keep the car 😂
People make some poor choices with college and I think its largely a cultural one.
I got my bachelors by first attending a community college and then transferring to a state university after I got my associates. I graduated with less than $40k in debt and paid it off in 6 years, 4 years ahead of schedule. I had to drive around a rusty beater for awhile and delayed getting a house until I was 30, not a huge deal for a good salary in a job where I'm not trading my body for money.
Unless you got accepted Harvard or MIT there is little reason why a state school would be insufficient for most jobs you could want. 18 year kids are making decisions to go to schools with overinflated tuition to learn from mostly adjunct professors teaching the exact same class at a state school.
@@Tithis You sound like you think you better than the rest of us, who 'trades their body for money', whatever that may mean.
@@andriyshapovalov8886 What do you mean the rest of us? We're all people. I don't look down anybody based on their employment. If you enjoy what you do and it supports yourself and your family what is there to look down on?
My comment is simply referencing that the physical jobs common in the trades can be hard on ones body. Things like carpenter knee and welders lung got their name for a reason. My grandfather lost much of his hearing due to his work in machine shops. Granted I know a lot of said issues can be reduced with proper technique and gear, but not everybody takes such precautions.
@@Tithis OK, I guess it's just misunderstood. Sorry about that.
My sister thought college should be free, then she graduated and thought debt should be cancelled for those with "essential degrees" but not useless degrees (she has a teaching degree). Now that her debt is almost paid off, she no longer thinks any of it should be free🤨
Typical. Haha.
My man tells an old adage: Now that I've eaten, I see things differently.
She sounds like she suffers from libtardation.
@@bonejam8231 horrible disease, for many, its incurable as it attaches to the brain stem permanently retarding them from understanding simple concepts forever.
A, ah typical woman... Whatever's convenient is best
I am a minority and a son of an immigrant family, who had 200K plus in student loan for my higher education degrees. My student loan was completely paid off within 5 years of graduation. It took some sacrifices such as being frugal for the last few years, working hard, etc. I am proud that I did it.
And it is something to be proud of, sad that it is less common now
Legend.
Good on you, we need more people like you in this world.
You should absolutely be proud of that! I’m a first generation as well, with hard work and self-sacrifice you set the stage for yourself
We are proud of you as well.
Dislikes are current college students 😂🤣
It’s kind of like loans are expected to be repaid. Those people knew what they were signing up for when they took out that loan. Nothing is free in this world. Pay back what you owe, period.
Odd to think that until not too long ago, and for centuries, University was for only the best and the brightest. Now it's just for the sake of a piece of paper.
As for me, this is why I chose not to go to college. I was really good in school but saw a lot of the BS the college crowd was pushing
Deindustrailization, consolidation, globalization. All of these have been going on for decades.
A large chunk of our GDP is in fields that require degrees. However that work is also done by fewer people per output. Gives a false impression of economic opportunity.
@@StatsMass very true, very specialized jobs like in Tech need a lot of hard work
The greatest wisdom written here. I agree to the core of each and every cell that make me. These people who go to college today do nothing for the world as a whole.
@@BugJuiceFlavor it won't happen. As so many schools have chased growth in tuition revenue, they built more facilities, new departments, expanded staff and curriculum.
Need stable and/or increased revenue to finance debt used to increase capacity and capability of the school and the cycle continues
My husband is a plumber, no college degree. Didn't have dinner with him tonight, he's out on an emergency call. That's an essential employee. He makes way more than I ever did with my degree.
What degree do you have? Did you consider the the job opportunity the degree will grant you before pursuing it?
How much student loan did you have to take? Did you consider how much time it would take for you to do a job to pay it back, (theoretically paying 100% of your salary)?
@@kaberigomes2117 I think that’s her point
Is your husband Johnny Sinns?
As did my nonunion owner-operator dad who mortgaged the house to become self-employed. He bought my cars, paid the insurance, helped me go overseas for school, and more. I paid for the bulk of my education beyond scholarships. I know this is Mother's Day, but I'll never forget my dad for all he did for me. If I could go back, I'd have paid it ALL myself, instead of his working like a dog.
Bet he's making way more than people with degree's. Being a plumber is the highest pay for the least amount of knowledge. Only three things you need to know to be a plumber. Hot's on the left, shit flows down hill and payday's on Friday.
We went through it in Poland, they closed welding schools, etc. and after a few years it became apparent that we did not have specialists
Remember when loan eligibility used to be based on risk!?🤣🤣
I went to school for 7 years to get a doctorate in physical therapy (first 4 years were useless, didn't get to learn my trade until the last 3 years). I worked really hard to pay off my loans and it kills me to listen to humanities whine about student loans and how they can't pay them off. Live cheap, get on a budget, attack the debt.
And that's why every student should be required to take a course from Dave Ramsey. (Even though I'm against making even good things "required by law", in general...)
Any tips for me? I just finished my first year of undergrad and I’m planning on getting a doctorate in physical therapy as well. I have to pay for my tuition all by myself so the idea of paying for 6 more years of school is a bit overwhelming. It’s my dream job to be a PT but I often ask myself if all of this is worth it.
@@ethanmaxwell2235 new PTs make something like 65,000-70,000 starting (at least in my state). My advise is live CHEAP. I lived at home with my parents and worked part time jobs to pay cash for community college. Community college ran me $~3,000/yr while the 4 year university ran me $12,000 a year. So cuts like that early on is great long term, so then you don't have the interest building for the next 6 years. If you have to take out loans or have them already, pay off the interest every month (federal loans make you wait 4 months before you can pay on the interest because the government is dirty like that, but you can pay it after that time period). I paid my interest every month in PT school and saved something like $6,000 in compounded interest. I love my job as a PT but it can be high stress and the pay is not great compared to how much school you have to go through. If that scares you, my husband is a software engineer, learns every day at his job, solves problems and makes $~18,000 more a year than me with a 4 year degree. If you are super passionate about PT, following your dreams. But also remember and realize you will sacrifice years of your life to debt if you don't attack it right after graduation. Sorry for the long answer, but hope that helps friend! Good luck with school
@@art_thoromeo504 Thank you. Much appreciated
I Can't just takes longer..
I went to a JC and then a state school, worked 15 to 25 hours per week and majored in microbiology. Never needed a loan and was able to get a job immediately after graduation. It’s frustrating to see kids not work through school, go to expensive colleges, and major in grievance studies, then complain about debt.
There is a difference.
You took classes that could get you a job.
Wonder how many jobs there are out there for basketweaving?
I spent 4 years in college/university and in the end don't do anything those certificates say I studied. But I also worked all through school, paid off my loan and bought a house by 25. Now I sell steel to all these awesome trades people. I hate how others always want a free ride and don't want to take personal responsibility
@@iamnotamused317 Basket weaving knowledge can be used for designing old fashioned laundry, fruit, designer storage baskets and structures. Plus if CAD was included, then 3D printing.
@@SpeedySailor Hmm, hadn't thought of it that way.
Gonna have to think about a new useless oldtimey degree now.
How about buggy whip designer?
@@iamnotamused317 Creative writing, Poli Sci, sociology
God these people really think that debt can just magically disappear.
I think there's a middle ground here. I want to become a Doctor. I NEED to be in Medical school, but the cost is horrible. 70k per year with 5% interest. Why are we penalizing graduate degrees? Why not control costs to around 35k per year and cut the interest rate to match inflation? Similarly, engineers, who are also blue-collar workers, gotta go to college. Why are we sacking honest workers with 70k per year tuition? We should be upset that colleges and schools have become so elitist and instead focus on making the OPTION to learn more accessible.
"I will prove it to you." That's the attitude of a winner. She understood she was asking for something, not owed something and she wanted to earn it.
Reminds me of an old country song I heard before "Looking for a handout"
The things a college kid would say “I deserve it” the entitlement is so real.and then after all the privilege they feel like they did it completely based on effort and not privileged entitled lifestyle of not paying debts.
Public education from the moment you are in kindergarten tells you that success is only possible by going to college. For the next 13 years, you are told that you must go to college, and anything else is no different than failure.
And it’s s lie, colleges extort thousands and can’t help students land s job
Yup, I’m about to start a job driving a semi, and I’m going to be making around 90-100k in my first year. I’m 22, was homeschooled, and don’t have a GED, or college degree. It’s about where you look, and what can provide the best opportunity for you in life.
No, it doesn't. I'm a public school teacher , and we don't push that on kids in the schools I've worked at. In fact, we offer a variety of pathways for students to choose from.
What country are you from? I wish i had teachers like you here in America.
@@SinginRabbit
you are lying to yourself and to everyone else.
Welding class in school inspired me to become a commercial diver at 19 and at 36 I retired and now I own a small farm on the coast. Dreams come true when you think outside the box. God bless America and those who pursue their dreams!
You sound like the kind of person we need speaking in schools. We need a self sufficient, accountable future.
"You worked hard, organised your priorities, and followed a feasible plan? Good! Now pay up for the people that didn't." -- Government
All I see are students that know they're going to make no money with their gender studies degree and don't want to pay what they consciously signed up for!
Not Quite Accurate. The Big Villain in all of this mess are the Universities. THEY DON'T tell kids this Fluff Degree has ZERO jobs opportunities. They let their Professors develope these fluff degrees and ENCOURAGE students to take them! WHY? BECAUSE THE UNIVERSITIES HAVE ZERO ACCOUNTABLITY FOR SELLING SNAKE OIL DEGREES. When Jimmy Carter initiated the Government Backed student loans, colleges increased their fees exponentially! They knew this was their Goose who laid Golden Eggs. They don't have to counsel students that you need to take classes that offer some jobs skills so you can pay off this debt. Nope. They are the Bartender at a four year long frat party, who never has to take the keys from the drunk drivers. They get to sell as much as they can con the student into buying, never worrying how that kid will pay the bill.
At this point, we need to FORCE THE UNIVERSITIES TO CARRY THAT DEBT, AND NOT BANKS. We do that, and admission requirements will go so high, that only the top echelon of students could get in. Which is how it should be.
Not only many of these SLACKTIVIST are in those major they preach either on Twitter or in the streets for gender Equity not Equality.
Spot on.
@@Objective-Observer Agree but the internet, and before that libraries, exist where young adults could look up their own info on valuable degrees that way no one can sell any snake oil except to the uninformed.
@@LAHCAH Right on. I see three issues. Where are the parents on this or are they as clueless on what jobs are in demand which pay well. Our gov't is even more of an issue. No matter what, they'll loan you the money. This University takes advantage of this and increase tuition. I don't understand the thought process where if you borrow money, you have to pay it back. It's a common sense and if you feel it''s too much money that you can't pay it back, don't borrow the money. Common sense, but I'm seeing more people that does not have common sense. 3rd is accountability. own up and if you made a contract to borrow money where you have to pay it back, own up to your commitment.
I am a teacher and I tell my students what we were told decades ago: not everyone needs to go to college. I am starting to see vocational schools make a comeback in my community and it is welcomed, indeed.
I recommend finding out which companies actually hire for those trades; as well as, teach students how to get a job. I took Drafting & begged the teacher to send me on another interview at a second company, but he refused. I did not consider asking for a list of companies & contacts. It seemed like those that got jobs in a trade already had connections thru their parents, since I caught them discussing jobs they got months before I finally got 1 interview. Our school canceled "mock" interview in favor of creative stories. They did not teach us the difference between a W2, 1099, or W9. Only in communist countries do they give out jobs & graduating without a job was something I never considered as possibility.
@@grimview My son went to a technical high school, where the civil engineering teacher gave advice on the different levels of jobs and careers available in the field. He was taught that with X certifications you can do Y roles, and with A trade school programs that last B long, you can also do C roles, and finally with 4-year college degrees (and beyond) you can be eligible for these roles. He graduated high school actually holding multiple certificates which would allow him to do survey work and some similar things professionally. My son went a different direction in college, but he retains those as "fallback" options if necessary. Good schools do teach this kind of thing.
Apprenticeships can and should be encouraged. We had a president who wanted to bring industry back but I guess we see how much people are interested in working for a living.
I just graduated from my vocational high school for carpentry. The only reason why Im going to college is because I got D1 scholarships. If I didnt get those scholarships, I would be working in the field right now
I have four kids, two have the potential for college and two are perfect for a trade school. Thank you for understanding this and promoting it.
Personally I worked to pay for my college, I think college reform is needed. Throw out worthless degrees and useless teachers.
Don't need to throw out the useless degrees, just don't allow federally backed student loans to pay for them. I've got no problem with "useless" degrees that interest people, just pay cash if you want to take the underwater basket weaving class. I think the lack of people attending would sort it out without any force once the loans stopped covering the tab.
Punish the hardworking taxpayers who dont make much and have no time for college, and reward the lazy freeloaders with higher paying jobs than the taxpayers who will spit on the taxpayers who made their "free" college possible.
I don’t even know why we entertain a discussion on this subject. You borrowed money, you pay it back
You literally have to sign an agreement that says "I understand that I have to pay this back" before you get the loan.
These are also people who signed a lease saying they will pay the rent. But they don’t.
The only difference I see is the fact that you can discharge your truck loan, credit card debt, mortgage on bankruptcy but not student debt. And guess who they can thank for that? That's right, Xiden!
@@brockbah2048 this. Allow people to bankruptcy out of student loans would solve the problem. The problem it skyrocketing tuition. Tax dollars will only exacerbate the problem.
My dad barley passed high school, started his own fabrication shop after being foreman for many years, and had to teach my brother how to run a business even after my brother got his masters in business. Actually doing the job is more valuable then being told how to do a job.
Bingo! You hit the nail right on the head! I learned MANY times more in a certain field I was in than in the CLASSROOM talking about it!!
College CANNOT teach business... They'll teach how sound like you know what you're talking about when you try to get investors. But business is a on the job learning experience.
No words will ever be more valuable than actual experience.
Many farmers barley make it through school. They can’t wheat to get out and do real work. Sitting in a classroom goes against the grain for them.
"Free college" -- give me something at no cost, and then let's pretend you didn't give it to me because it will hurt my personal pride to admit I needed you.
Waste 12 years of free school and then demand four more years to waste at my expense.
Having the work ethic beats a college degree.
And you need the work ethic to get the college degree
My son turned down several colleges and his dream of being an Army Ranger to learn to weld. COULDN'T BE PROUDER!
He’s smart and he learned well from you
@@kofiofosu9051 I tried lol as long as he grows into a good and honourable man I'm straight.
@Spudz Mckenzie patriots don't serve traitors
@Spudz Mckenzie yea, we're drowning in freedom... ya did a great job with those domestic enemies. Way to keep the oath. I here if you're really good the gov will let you out of the house to celebrate those freedoms this 4th of July. 🙄🙄
Outstanding!
Those that took any degree ending with "studies" should've been more realistic.
Some of my friends started out studying "Engineering studies" before choosing an engineering degree by junior year. They make good money. But yeah, I know what you mean. Gender studies, Native American studies, African studies--totally useless!
they are realistic about you paying for that
@@ledzeppelin1212 The West needs gender studies as much as a fish needs a bicycle.
@@ledzeppelin1212 i wouldn't say they are useless, the market is just so small for them
@@gl4989 thus useless and costly
I signed up to a college for Pharmacy Tech certification and after signing all the paper work, "financial aid" etc, not even the first full week the location is shut down and empty.. my first life lesson about scams!
My son, who is very bright, opted to go to a vocational school to learn welding. He still aspires to go to college but looks at the welding skill as something he can carry with him for any number of opportunities. He's hedging his bets and I applaud him for it.
These people talking about their debt act like they were forced into taking out those loans on useless degrees. I went to a cheaper school, and worked part time while I was in classes. Now I have an engineering degree and I'm set to be debt free 5 years out from graduation.
You picked a real degree. These kids have lesbian dance degrees.
I picked up a trade it’s cheaper an universal. Best decision I ever made
The issue is that at the age of 18 kids have no idea how these loans work, or enough about th real world to choose a profitable career...Most of the time the loans come with Grant's,and it's hard to understand what you actually have to pay back to the government. I agree that kids need to be paying them back. My husband and I just finished paying ours off. But, the government needs to quit giving out loans to kids who have no idea the burden they are obtaining. We paid back almost 150 grand for our degrees, combined... and we dont even use them and probably never will
While I don't disagree with Stossel at all on this one, or you in fact (I chose a not-for-profit online school to get my degree and got away with a fraction of the debt they did), I have to play a little devil's advocate and say I can sympathize with them maybe feeling like they've been tricked and pigeon-holed into this debt. That's not entirely accurate, but I would definitely say that in most cases the adults in their lives failed them throughout school, and it was that failure that drove them into the debt.
I work at my old high school right now as an in-between job (planning to get into something better this Summer) and the college propaganda is just everywhere. It's a really good school, especially for a public school, but because it gets very high performance out of the students it winds up falling into the trap of pushing all of them to college. They have what's called a "College GO week." If the name is pretty self-explanatory. It's a week where the whole faculty espouses the 'wonders' of college life and the importance of getting a degree. Of course do we have a "College DON'T GO week?" Yeah, no. Of course not. Is there a "Trades week?" Nope. It's all about college, and most of the parents are in on it too. We're demanding 16- and 17-year-olds to decide what they want to do for the rest of their lives and make a massive, long-term financial investment in that before they even graduate high school. Not only that, we - the adults in their lives - are making it out as if college is absolutely required, as if the bachelor's degree is the new high school degree (which winds up only devaluing it even more, including our own). It's kind of fucked up.
So you and I might sit back and say "You should have picked a cheaper and better school like us, you idiots. You should have gone online. You should have worked more on the side. You should have, should have, should have..." At some point *WE* should maybe stop and say "Well, who was supposed to tell them all that and why didn't they?" Again, I don't disagree with your sentiment, and I don't disagree with Stossel. I do, however, think that maybe we're putting too much blame on the students for being ignorant and entitled and not enough on the teachers and parents who let them be ignorant and made them entitled. Let's not even get started on their degree choices, which I may not be in much of a position to talk with a freaking English degree, but again I'd point to the adults in their lives who didn't say "What the hell is that? No, you aren't going to get anywhere with that."
Not everyone can complete an engineering degree and you know that
As a shop teacher from 1980 until 2020, I watched the demise of industrial classes in California public schools. From the 1990's on the whole focus for schools was to prepare students for college. Not to prepare student for their own future or for life! I made an effort as I adapted to the new curricular ideas of technology education and then the big engineering push trying to maintain as much hands-on individual skill development within these programs as possible. We have crippled our society by eliminating these basic classes.
I went to a high school that was hyper focused on academics (we have different schools focused on different subjects in my district) and I was really excited about getting to high school because I wanted to take a shop class and I heard that this class was offered in high school but they didn't offer it and that was a real bummer
I’ve heard recordings and conversations between dumb teachers on zoom being recorded talking about how the first 5 or 6 classes will be about some social issue whilist the class is about physical therapy.
The whole game changes when you go from learning knowledge and the how-to of any given subject to some teacher trying to promote their own personal philosophy on life, masquerading as a class on whatever.
Activists pretending to be teachers is quite an effective strategy I can’t blame them, while they are learning real things and important stuff intertwine it with your political agenda, sort of a subliminal brainwashing if your good, one last point I’ll make and this one I’m kinda going out there but why don’t you see protests and marches in high schools? Is it right as you hit 19 you feel that urge? Or is it where the teachers who are pros at this stuff are located? Nazi children were a thing so don’t tell me it can’t be done early. That is just a random take so I dunno.
I completely agree where are basic classes. And common sense today's kids have no idea how to fix the simplest things or even cook. If they think everyone only had to go to college to get a paper good luck always having to call on the SKILLED minority to fix their rotted windows leaking roof or broken vehicle. Soon the skilled will be the most valued, the next generation will be helpless.
The real problem is the inflated prices of college leading to rediculously high student loans
Mr stossel is absolutely right .....
Again,
Thank you for the video.
I think JBP summed it up best. College students are angry when they realize after 4 years they're still at the bottom of the ladder.
In particular, those who didn't look for an internship DURING college
@@projectjt3149 not all jobs have the intern option.
Yep, and there are only a few job openings for the best of the best PhD candidates to teach in college, or do research. It's better if you have a degree that is in demand, like engineering, or a STEM field. However, your CRT, English Lit, Philosophy degree, etc is not great for the job market. There's intense competition over jobs (ie: the crumbs). Many of these people get jobs in college admin, want to change the world, and are angry, frustrated (understandably), but think they know better than everyone else, so they push their political ideology onto the school, which degrades the value of the degrees even further (teaching students what to think, instead of how to think).
The colleges know they are diploma mills, and are cashing in on the students. To attract more, they fund unnecessary amenities at the college to make it "fun", but combined with the bloated administration salaries required to run these amenities, this jacks the price tag even higher. At some point, the bubble is going to burst, and the colleges are going to go out of business.
Now some of these students want to tax everyone to get bailed out, proving that for all their smarts, they don't actually understand how the world outside the University works (ie: they're not as smart as they think they are).
@AEGON VII Lets stop with that BS lie about every one taking liberal art degrees, Part of the problem have been colleges and frankly employers wanting that 4 year degree. Boomer parents telling there kids and grand kids to go to college, so you don't have to bust your ass all your life doing manual labor. There was a big push to get a degree, a big part tied to enriching the schools profits. Look at some of these colleges running multi million dollar sports, highest paid public employee in America college football coach.
My bother has a engineer degree, that he has never used in 25 years. That degree did however open up management job for him.
I know a guy working at Tractor Supply, with a electrical engineer degree. My niece just graduated with a biology degree, ended up on the line at the Toyota plant.
@@spencers4121 Not everyone is going to use their specific degrees for a specific job. Your brother likely was offered that position due to the combination of having the piece of paper and the underlying skill set. I doubt someone with a liberal arts degree would have been given the same opportunity. I have an undergraduate degree in engineering and didn't really use it until I turned 40, but it got me into interviews.
Many people do well with liberal arts degrees because they are motivated and can think critically. STEM degrees are still of greater need and more useful. I'm sure there is more to the story with the guy at Tractor Supply or your niece. Choice, perhaps.
The underlying problem is kids who can barely attain a B average in high school and test below average on the SAT/ACT still enter college. Societal expectations are responsible for this flawed thinking, but the individual needs to do some simple "back of the napkin" math to determine if the investment will be worth it.
There can’t be a corner office if no one knows how to build it.
What a quote!
Apprentiships + Trade schools are in Colleges.
@@carmenlajoie2719 Not always. No. Join the Army and go into the Engineers. Take an apprenticeship with a union. There's a MILLION ways to get technical training without involving a college. Many companies prefer to teach apprentices so that they learn to do things their way. The military is THE BEST way to learn a trade. You get PAID to learn a new trade.
Getting free education in the military should not be the only way, thats how they entice everyone. When nothing else exists
@@carmenlajoie2719 English is clearly not your first language. Let me show you the difference; BEST - meaning superior or most desirable. ONLY - meaning without any other option. I used BEST. So, read this again, "The military is THE BEST way to learn a trade." Do you see the difference, yet?
@@carmenlajoie2719 honey u need stop your bs talk . l was in the army for 12 year learn a trade , in now lm doing same trade when l was in the army , military pay u do a trade l was in waster treatment specialty now working with la water and power
Thanks for sharing
I wish these children would look at colleges for debt forgiveness instead of government. Colleges charge way to much for theses "degrees".
Whats the point of a free education when what these kids are learning wont actually pay the bills anyway?
Politicians and media are persuading a lot of young people into thinking you go to college to get a degree to make good money when you get out. Yet, many of these kids go into college for dumb stuff that doesn't translate into a good paying job. They are lied to that getting a degree helps them in life when it's specific degrees help them in life and they should research it beforehand.
Stossel, the one adult in media from my childhood who hasn’t lost his mind to the woke mob.
ya that's about it because the mainstream media and politicians have long since lost theirs !!
and mike rowe
Thats why hes not on big network anymore. Not a tool. Keep em coming John!!!
Seriously.
If you got $180k in student loan debt and can't find a job I instinctively ask, "What worthless program was your degree in?"
I don't think the main issue is the debt, I think its the unbelievably high cost of college studies which are absolutely not warranted in most colleges.
I own a one-man company, but if I needed to Hire someone I would not under any circumstance hire anyone like these shown in this video protesting!
Stossel for President!
He’s too smart for that
@@endorbr yeah
Literally
Vote for Trump. He knows all that and has the money to fix it.
I watched a video a few years ago where college professors were advocating for this "free education" and I thought to myself, if you're all for the free college why don't you and your colleagues volunteer to teach these free classes that way you can practice what you preach!
They sell overpriced books that the teachers sell with a code that you need and it can't be reused
@@miguelruiz4613 and every year they make a few addendum on those books and force you to buy the latest.
I mean teacher have to get paid to eat no?
They'd love to just teach and be paid fairly, but that's not possible. The colleges and universities are screwing the staff too, but those accredited degrees are REQUIRED by HR to get any job.
@@desarguesbaptiste5577 So who is going to pay a teacher when education is free?
I know of a teenager that is learning trades, and will earn more than 100k a year by end of high school. Smart kid.
Damn right. Why should those with less pay for the privileged?
There's an old joke that tells it all: A doctor has a leak in the toilet in the master bathroom and calls a plumber. The plumber arrives, examines the toilet, fixes it, and hands the doctor the bill. The doctor looks at it and says, "Hey, look, I'm a doctor and I don't make this much!" The plumber says, "Neither did I."
The punchline is that the plumber was a former doctor? Good one.
@@pallmall7385 My first thought was actually that the plumber went to the doctor lol
Was that the 3rd story bathroom or the 6th story? Doctors make more money than anybody on earth.
@@Thunder_Dome45 Agreed! I respect their work but I had a phone consultation for about 1 minute with a doctor. Can't see them now due to Covid. He prescribed something and that was it. I wonder how much he got paid for that?
@@letsgobrandon9435 he killed himself because he couldn't stand going from being a rich dude to prison. He we stupid and didn't notice we don't send celebrities or rich people to jail.
I'm a self employed sole provider. I can't even imagine not only NOT PAYING my debts, but demanding someone else pay it. Protest about it. And demonize the people that don't want to pay it.
I just can't even fathom this.
Those people burning their debt papers should be put in jail.
I second and mirror your comment.
Probably because you're a decent person and not an insane narcissist.🤔
It's called communism and thievery.
That's because you're awesome.
People forgot that skills are what makes money, not education.
Education isn't for everyone I'd say. Manual labor is meant to be the larger portion to be occupied, the problem I see isn't education, it's the quality of and the compulsive college attendence. An exorbitantly priced diploma doesn't make anyone's IQ rise but if you have the "skill" certain degrees are definitely a requirement.
I've been a builder for 35+ years. My million dollar house is paid off, as is my car collection and I have no debt. I paid for my daughters college degree out of pocket and I have never made less than 150k a year. And yet, we can't find young kids that want to work. $20+ dollars an hour to teach you a skill and no one answers our ads. Young kids do not want to work nowadays.
I have several degrees and my daughter asked me after HS graduation if I'd be upset if she didnt go to college. I had never even pushed her to go to college, but all of her friends were going to college, so she just assumed I wanted that for her too. What she hadnt remembered was that I didnt begin college until I was in my 30s, and had been in the military for 15 years before cracking a book. I simply told her that it was her life, and that there are many options that dont involve a degree. She ended up going to school to become a hairdresser and she loves her job. That is far more important than having paper hanging on the wall, and she has NO student loans.
Plus, I get free haircuts. ;)
You sound like a good papa. Much love, homie.
Your daughter has the ability to make people feel good about themselves.
“Several”, do you know how many? Several sounds pretty good, I guess.
completely agree! parents are pressuring kids into careers they are not interested in and are not "naturally" good at. hence you have unhappy people. i encouraged my son to get a degree in what HE IS NATURALLY good at. he has been working in that line of work ever since. he is self employed - is happy - makes his own hours and because i taught him about finances and credit he has no debt whatsoever. he also can repair anything and everything from motherboards to fridges and cars. part of the problem is PARENTS NOT PARENTING ! we teach our kids how to talk - how to walk - how to eat even - but most parents forget to teach their kids about money!
All of us in the trades laugh about this about this every day. We make double what a college graduate would make and yet they look down on us. That's cool with us 😊☺️
Ask a bank teller who has money in their accounts... the guys who come in dirty!!
I did a trade as well. I make 3 times what my wife makes with her Bachelors degree.
Sometimes we make triple. I love being able to spend and not dent my finances. I had a leak in front of a business and guy was walking with his 12/13 yr old son and i could hear him say "see that? That's why you go to college." I thought i probably make more than your dad and it didn't take 20 years to make almost 6 figures...plus plumbers can all benchpress their cars lol
I don’t disagree with you that trades make good money if done right, but most degrees at a university make more than tradesman do? I’m just looking up the stats on it and a person in finance, engineering, etc. make more than a tradesman.
@@adamnowacki2491 the thing is, for those professions requiring degrees, the jobs are in lower supply and the people need to get much more experience and certification to reach the level of pay you see them making statistically. Most with those degrees get in for less than a year and quit cuz they can't handle it. Trade jobs are more plentiful, especially right now, and easier to start your own trade practice, too. Certifications are cheaper and faster too. That's why trades are better for most people when schools aren't indoctrinating them to go to college.
Stossel -you the man. Another kick ass video!
Excellent Segment,
I decided against getting a 4 year degree and am glad I did. 50 years later I worked at things I was interested in and excelled because of that. I didn't spend 1 day working in an office. I spent 35 years as a white water river guide and scuba dive master around the world. Now retired I have money in the bank, am debt free and a happy guy.
Sounds like something where I live, in British Columbia Canada
Congratulations! Yuo were ahead of the curve.
ok BOOMER
Thank you John Stossel and Mike Rowe for your continued words of wisdom.
How about they just get rid of the fees and crazy interest and just pay the actual amount they borrowed.
I’m pretty sure these are the same people who are complaining about why the national debt keep increasing.
Sarcasm?
Nah, they don't have time for such critical thinking, they're too busy in scrolling down famous person's Twitter just to find that one mildly racist comment in order to cancle them
High school education, 4 years military service, 25 years in the fire service, 49 years old and zero debt.
hard work pays off in the end!
Based gen Xer. Kudos to you sir.
"Hard work" is "offensive" to the woke
@B Mac ok, you can fight your own wars, do emergency medical, and life-saving work on your own family and extinguish fires in your home and vehicles.....patrol your neighborhood at 3:00 am for free on your off hours.
I think it's reasonable to pay taxes for military, police, fire, and primary education. Those jobs should pay fair wages at taxpayer expense.
After that, I'm sure we would agree that a LIMITED (very limited) government is a reasonable proposition.
Zero debt is about as close as we'll ever get to freedom.
@B Mac That's about the most ignorant opinion I've ever heard. Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.
I'm a 19, female and a Norwegian electrician trainee and it's absolutely great. I save lots of money every month, and the further I get into my apprenticeship, the more I will earn. My husband and I are renting a cute little place together, and we will probably get our own house in three to four years. I basically get paid to get educated, and I make a contribution to the workforce.
What is it like to be an electrician in Norway?
What's your salary?
@@MrMelkorn cooperated is a mild word, Germany just invaded them as they did with every other state during ww 2
@@MrMelkorn that feeling when Americans are so busy looking for an excuse as to why they can't follow the lead of other countries that they just blame the Nazis as the reason why the other country is doing better than the USA. Just accept that America can do the same thing, you guys just choose not to because...... a lot of powerful people benefit from the current system. Also Norway got invaded in WW2, you dolt.
@@MrMelkorn Cooperated with Germany in WW2? Are you crazy? The Norwegians resisted the Germans from day one. I don't know where you went to school, but you need to get your money back. You've been robbed.
I owe 226k in student debt bc of my two grad degrees. I am now 34 and lives below my means and tried to find a job that pays me even a little more even though it caused me to work longer hours...I am constantly stressed and not sure I’m doing what I want to do but guess what...after that sacrifice I can now pay allll of my federal loans back. So, don’t I deserve a break for my responsibility? These kids...they haven’t even tried to work to pay it off. I’m angry.
Having a balance of people between trade school and college is important.