A Brief History of Goth

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  • Опубліковано 30 жов 2016
  • These days, “goth” can mean anything from wearing an all-black outfits to being overly emotional on social media. But before the Internet happened, goth meant something very specific. This is A Brief History of Goth.
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  • @steelblooded68
    @steelblooded68 7 років тому +6084

    Edgar Allen Poe was the original goth

  • @amaya-gn4dr
    @amaya-gn4dr 6 років тому +4821

    Now we have 16 year old white girls who think liking toopoor and lana del rey makes them goth :/

    • @jazl5680
      @jazl5680 5 років тому +242

      Right and they don't even know the real music it's sad I'm sick of people calling me emo , I'm goth

    • @momomomom5409
      @momomomom5409 5 років тому +340

      ppl who listen to lana del rey still can be goth, but listening to lana del rey doesn't make you goth

    • @momomomom5409
      @momomomom5409 5 років тому +181

      @@jazl5680 what do you mean "real music"? every kind of music is real music. you can listen to marylin manson and britney spears at the same time and still be goth, it's still music, being goth doesn't mean you can only listen to one kind of music.

    • @momomomom5409
      @momomomom5409 5 років тому +105

      the problem is that the white egirls who wear black think they're goth and quirky, that's shitty because in being goth the culture is the most important thing, not only wearing black and chains

    • @jhonnycagexrage7458
      @jhonnycagexrage7458 5 років тому +4

      That's really sad

  • @TrulyOutrageous
    @TrulyOutrageous 5 років тому +1774

    1:00- Wilderness by Joy Division
    1:16- Bela Lugosi's Dead by Bauhaus
    1:36- One Hundred Years by The Cure
    2:15- Everyday is Like Halloween by Ministry

    • @JustJohnny
      @JustJohnny 4 роки тому +26

      That Ministry song, when I heard it, I'd have never believed it was Ministry back in the day. It's so different from Psalm 69.

    • @amyatwaroo3085
      @amyatwaroo3085 4 роки тому +2

      THANKYOU!😆

    • @stinkyrat3758
      @stinkyrat3758 4 роки тому +1

      Thank u !!!

    • @nikhiljoshi2961
      @nikhiljoshi2961 4 роки тому +2

      Wilderness is one of the best on that album

    • @juliatravassos8003
      @juliatravassos8003 4 роки тому +6

      goth bless you

  • @BREAKOUT444
    @BREAKOUT444 7 років тому +3613

    Okay. Time to do this for every genre. You got yourself into this, Pitchfork.

    • @classicpinball9873
      @classicpinball9873 6 років тому +36

      James Montegomery they only cover the degenerate genres

    • @Blockistium
      @Blockistium 6 років тому +52

      NU METAL NU METAL NU METAL NU METAL

    • @dreadskeleton
      @dreadskeleton 6 років тому +14

      Classic Pinball Dubstep is next then.

    • @-pinky-5522
      @-pinky-5522 6 років тому +16

      vaporwave

    • @Gothicbride
      @Gothicbride 6 років тому

      James Montegomery I am goth 💀

  • @nataliewn
    @nataliewn 5 років тому +4274

    Emo and Goth are two different things. Just felt like I needed to clarify that.

    • @eliannavanius
      @eliannavanius 5 років тому +159

      Yeah. Emo is like goth, but for pussies

    • @YumoBaBy
      @YumoBaBy 4 роки тому +82

      MV 93 they are not pussy they are emotional everyone gets emotional they are just super emotional and most times cut themselves please get it right

    • @user-cn9mw9em6k
      @user-cn9mw9em6k 4 роки тому +10

      Whats the difference? *i dont know a lot about that

    • @sdawg310
      @sdawg310 4 роки тому +76

      @@user-cn9mw9em6k musically, they're worlds apart and you can learn all you really need to know from the two videos these guys did. In terms of fashion, I understand why people who know nothing about it get the two confused but once you know the differences, they become obvious. Here's a general summary:
      Traditional goth fashion typically includes large black hair teased or sprayed up for volume, lots of jewelry accessories and religious imagery, fishnets, leather jackets, large boots or winklepickers. There's much more of an emphasis on texture over color. Makeup tends to be a little more elaborate.
      Emo has changed a lot over time but typically features straight hair in a long fringe covering part of the face, beanies, wristbands, more sweaters/hoodies, skinny jeans, and sneakers like converse or vans. You tend to see more ear gauges. The makeup usually doesnt stray too far from basic guyliner or raccoon eyes.

    • @garrett_with2ts736
      @garrett_with2ts736 4 роки тому +38

      @@user-cn9mw9em6k to put it bluntly goths want to kill other people and emo's want to kill themselves

  • @vuidesu9895
    @vuidesu9895 4 роки тому +1539

    I see one more egirl that wears “goth” clothing with chains on their pants but only listens to Billie Eillish, Melanie Martinez, and SoundCloud rappers thinking they’re goth and I’m going to go feral

    • @dylangregory370
      @dylangregory370 4 роки тому +69

      Pfft posers *hair flip*

    • @karaokekid9025
      @karaokekid9025 4 роки тому +39

      Billy Eyelash and Meanie Martini

    • @Spookythereaper3
      @Spookythereaper3 4 роки тому +13

      @Vuidesu Yikes. E-girls are the new type in my opinion. I also listen to Billie Eilish :P

    • @devon1746
      @devon1746 4 роки тому +37

      I listen to metal and melanie martinez lol and im Goth

    • @calebpatro8380
      @calebpatro8380 4 роки тому +2

      No you're not poser

  • @RolandAshcroft
    @RolandAshcroft 6 років тому +1467

    Goth's dead ...
    Undead
    Undead
    Undead

  • @krissdiasp6182
    @krissdiasp6182 6 років тому +938

    Darth Vader is goth

    • @ryans7146
      @ryans7146 5 років тому +8

      Kriss Diasp so goth!

    • @Kirschface
      @Kirschface 4 роки тому +47

      and Kylo Ren is emo

    • @boninunez2885
      @boninunez2885 4 роки тому +1

      Ace in Spades exactly

    • @milksoda655
      @milksoda655 4 роки тому

      Duh

    • @sezumi8435
      @sezumi8435 4 роки тому +1

      Does he listen to goth music? If no, then he's not goth (according to the comments here)

  • @fiilisboa
    @fiilisboa 7 років тому +1568

    *clap clap clap clap clap clap* I want more of that, Pitchfork, a brief history of indie rock, hardcore, emo, grunge, metal, folk, rap, disco, soul, blues, whatever... I want more of that class.

    • @pizzafreak1175
      @pizzafreak1175 7 років тому +9

      Felipe Talking about how emotive hardcore originated from punk would be great.

    • @almac5446
      @almac5446 7 років тому +2

      ANTHONY EVERHART they both suck

    • @talktal
      @talktal 7 років тому +3

      there's bbc documentaries that do a much better job explaining that stuff than pitchfork media.

    • @fiilisboa
      @fiilisboa 7 років тому +3

      talktal LINKS please

    • @pizzafreak1175
      @pizzafreak1175 7 років тому

      Felipe I second this.

  • @gravesx13
    @gravesx13 7 років тому +812

    It doesn't matter if we all die.

  • @rumbleshakes
    @rumbleshakes 5 років тому +403

    #1 Edgar Allen Poe
    #2 Howard Phillips Lovecraft
    #3 Siouxsie Sioux
    #4 Ian Curtis (Dank Racc)
    #5 Horace Walpole (Kid Sunyata)
    #6 Egyptian Pharaohs

    • @Skiamakhos
      @Skiamakhos 4 роки тому +30

      #0 Mary Shelley

    • @eatyourcereal4134
      @eatyourcereal4134 4 роки тому +2

      0.0 Peter murphy

    • @gomaplayzyt3603
      @gomaplayzyt3603 4 роки тому

      Calla Antoinette not for ian curtis, he broke the record

    • @mortalscumm3647
      @mortalscumm3647 3 роки тому +1

      #4 Ian Curtis ... i think

    • @rumbleshakes
      @rumbleshakes 3 роки тому

      @Kid Sunyata If you go back that far then the first Pharaoh, Djoser would be because all the Egyptians were kind of goth looking.

  • @savannahkat4093
    @savannahkat4093 6 років тому +488

    Goth still means something very specific.

  • @moneyinmyviens
    @moneyinmyviens 7 років тому +1318

    picasso is dead

    • @ekklesiamortis
      @ekklesiamortis 7 років тому

      Ace child that is a good one

    • @Eddie-mh5yr
      @Eddie-mh5yr 7 років тому +23

      So is Bela Lugosi

    • @Chelaxim
      @Chelaxim 7 років тому

      Chuck Berry is dead.

    • @cmc3223
      @cmc3223 7 років тому +1

      John Wayne is dead. But that's okay. John Wayne was a nazi.

    • @MyEverty
      @MyEverty 7 років тому +1

      Isn't that so funny?

  • @ThirdDimensionalBeing
    @ThirdDimensionalBeing 7 років тому +364

    Mall goths would never wear an unknown pleasures shirt.

    • @cubanheelsbeerbelly
      @cubanheelsbeerbelly 4 роки тому +72

      sure they would. the internet has been very good to joy division.

    • @TimDuffieRules
      @TimDuffieRules 4 роки тому +15

      Hot Topic totally carries the JDUP shirt

    • @milkdemoness1132
      @milkdemoness1132 4 роки тому +25

      It's a meme within itself. Owning an unknown pleasure shirt is an outward expression of being basic now, unless you owned it at the time

  • @ashleyhansen4479
    @ashleyhansen4479 4 роки тому +558

    Let me tell you one thing:
    Goth is NOT about self harm or cutting and it's really annoying when people say that. I have dealt with self harm and suicidal thoughts but not because I'm a goth.
    Another thing:
    You can wear modern goth fashion, like pastel goth, nu goth, health goth, and e girl/e boy goth while listening to goth music.
    No, Lil Peep, Melanie Martinez, and such aren't goth. Not even Linkin Park, Paramore, or Evanescence if you go back to the 2000's (but honestly, I like their music more).
    Goth music: The Cruxshadows, Nox Arcana (except their music is more darkly inclined), The Cure, Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, London After Midnight, Ministry, Blackmore's Night, Type O Negative, Sisters of Mercy, Xmal Deutschland, Cocteau Twins, Inkubus Sukkubus, Depeche Mode, Rasputina, The Birthday Massacre, The Birthday Party, and so on.

    • @yay4846
      @yay4846 4 роки тому +5

      i agree with you so much

    • @butitsureisfun460
      @butitsureisfun460 4 роки тому +14

      If Ministry is “goth” then that means goth is a broader category that can also include industrial and metal music.

    • @aniyache5507
      @aniyache5507 3 роки тому +4

      Marilyn Manson is goth too:)

    • @CorvetteCoonass
      @CorvetteCoonass 3 роки тому +4

      Don't forget The Mission and All About Eve!

    • @krzlcve
      @krzlcve 3 роки тому +12

      Yes, mental health/suicidal thoughts do not correlate with style and expression

  • @carryhandleenjoyer7411
    @carryhandleenjoyer7411 5 років тому +220

    My epilsepsy got triggered when he started flashing the lights

  • @MoriDarkmoss
    @MoriDarkmoss 7 років тому +336

    Bela Lugosi's Dead, a masterpiece, indeed.

    • @nicoladouglas3270
      @nicoladouglas3270 5 років тому +2

      But is he? Dead? Or is he sat on some island drinking wine with Bowie!!!

    • @LiuLoki
      @LiuLoki 5 років тому +3

      Undead

    • @tricko8000
      @tricko8000 5 років тому +1

      I love She’s In Parties too

    • @KAmbler222
      @KAmbler222 5 років тому

      Yup

  • @demonweber666
    @demonweber666 7 років тому +877

    There are 2 types of Goths: Those who freely and openly express & indulge, whether it be dress, attitude, or alignment. And those that wish they could, but are suffocated by judgemental, irresponsible ideas from close-minded individuals.

  • @homoliber9546
    @homoliber9546 6 років тому +48

    4 bands that invented goth: Bauhaus, The Cure, Joy Division, Siouxsie. Everything else seems to practically come from these mentioned.

    • @DEATHBYFLYINGCDS
      @DEATHBYFLYINGCDS 3 роки тому +4

      Eh not so much the cure, replace the cure with The Sisters of Mercy

    • @mickplays12wowzers73
      @mickplays12wowzers73 3 роки тому +8

      DEATHBYFLYINGCDS their album seventeen seconds came out in 1980 so yeah they kinda did invented goth alongside them. But instead of replacing them I would just add sisters of mercy in there with them.

  • @MorbidMoonflower
    @MorbidMoonflower 6 років тому +230

    There's really nothing wrong with incorporating aspects of goth into other scenes. You do you :-) one thing I love about today's goth scene is how everyone in it finds ways to make it their own.

    • @DEATHBYFLYINGCDS
      @DEATHBYFLYINGCDS 3 роки тому +16

      Indeed, but it those are other scenes not goth

  • @pereztube2
    @pereztube2 7 років тому +423

    jesus was the first goth

    • @_Piers_
      @_Piers_ 7 років тому +15

      randomlygeneratedusername Zombies are not goths...

    • @Jakegothicsnake
      @Jakegothicsnake 7 років тому +19

      +Pook365 Jesus does not qualify as a zombie. Zombies are reanimated corpses. Coming back to life with a total reversal of the death process into the state of true living does not qualify as zombification. Otherwise, those people died and where brought back to life by Jesus would be classified as zombies too.

    • @_Piers_
      @_Piers_ 7 років тому +4

      Jakegothicsnake You're not taking into account the almost total lack of scientific knowledge people had two thousand years ago.
      The people involved would have rather suspended a lot of their critical thinking.
      They'd probably just overlook their leaders surprisingly increased use of the phrase "Grrr, arggg, brains!!" and concentrate on his even more surprising post death mobility.

    • @Jakegothicsnake
      @Jakegothicsnake 7 років тому +1

      Wow, you are just gone........

    • @CassandraPantaristi
      @CassandraPantaristi 7 років тому +14

      No, Nyx/Nox Goddess of the Night was the first goth.

  • @matchagoblin981
    @matchagoblin981 5 років тому +63

    The kid in the top hat pronouncing the X in Siouxsie was a clever touch, you rascals.

    • @Spookythereaper3
      @Spookythereaper3 4 роки тому

      +Batty Babe Definitely very great pronunciation. I always thought it was Susie xD

  • @rkerr9754
    @rkerr9754 6 років тому +271

    DO BRIEF HISTORY OF SHOEGAZE

    • @olivelime9493
      @olivelime9493 5 років тому +5

      Yeeesss, I need to revisit the shoegaze genre. I really love lush, but I’m don’t know anything about the beginnings of this genre

    • @gabrielbennett9376
      @gabrielbennett9376 4 роки тому +3

      @@olivelime9493 I don't know much about the beginnings either, but I have heard that the Cure's Pornography had a large influence on the genre

    • @fenestrapain
      @fenestrapain 4 роки тому +1

      My bloody valentine the end

    • @kpopperontheloose2292
      @kpopperontheloose2292 4 роки тому

      Yes please

  • @Pedrobatista18
    @Pedrobatista18 4 роки тому +82

    "Kanye is goth"
    2019: er... No, he is a christian now

    • @santiagovelasquez4781
      @santiagovelasquez4781 4 роки тому +10

      In some way Goth is very christian

    • @Bloc_De_Notas
      @Bloc_De_Notas 3 роки тому +8

      You can be goth and christian

    • @thearkheartguy
      @thearkheartguy 2 роки тому

      That Cradle Of Filth shirt says otherwise lol

    • @bizyizziaz4831
      @bizyizziaz4831 2 роки тому

      uh why is your whole generation styled like how we grew up
      you good ??

  • @HermitMoth
    @HermitMoth 7 років тому +444

    Pleasantly surprised by the Christian Death reference

    • @TheVinceFly
      @TheVinceFly 7 років тому +2

      right

    • @viciousbee9333
      @viciousbee9333 7 років тому +3

      Indeed, I was surprised too! took me right back to High school!

    • @TheVinceFly
      @TheVinceFly 7 років тому +1

      that's awesome, i'm currently in high school right now hahaha

    • @hads5279
      @hads5279 7 років тому +1

      same!

    • @crux6331
      @crux6331 7 років тому +13

      also what surprised me is when they mentioned the cocteau twins

  • @FRISHR
    @FRISHR 6 років тому +375

    Death and despair! Death and despair!

    • @vampyresgraveyard8040
      @vampyresgraveyard8040 6 років тому +30

      No way no way no way.

    • @marcsvenson7255
      @marcsvenson7255 5 років тому +24

      No wayyyyyyyyy

    • @PCGameNerd917
      @PCGameNerd917 5 років тому +4

      Goth isn't only death and despair. South Park is funny, but real goths isn't like their goths.

    • @miikahayha2406
      @miikahayha2406 5 років тому

      FRISHR real goth’s aren’t like south park’s goth’s

    • @grenadedevourer
      @grenadedevourer 5 років тому +4

      FRISHR Ew Larry you spit on me

  • @ryans7146
    @ryans7146 5 років тому +39

    Lol "mall goth" I was around when this began it was such a sad time in goth history. Everyone thinking Marilyn Manson, Korn and Limp Bizkit was goth. I do love dark wave and industrial that turned into a whole other thing with edc and ultra evovling.

    • @Spookythereaper3
      @Spookythereaper3 4 роки тому +1

      Ryan Singrossi That's adorably undead. I basically think Marilyn Manson is a goth, mostly because of his style ^.^

    • @DEATHBYFLYINGCDS
      @DEATHBYFLYINGCDS 3 роки тому +5

      @@Spookythereaper3 goth is about the music, without the music there is no goth, and thus manson isn't goth

    • @bizyizziaz4831
      @bizyizziaz4831 2 роки тому +3

      @@Spookythereaper3 why do people into anime think anything goth

  • @babyrocasmama
    @babyrocasmama 6 років тому +246

    As an 80s kid, I always blamed goth on Robert Smith. Glad to see I wasn't completely wrong. lol
    I about died at "The abomination known as Mall Goth!" Every time I see teens at the mall wearing the punk bondage pants they got from Hot Topic, I ask if they found them at a thrift store because I wore them in the early 80s and loved them (old school punk). The looks on their faces is priceless!

    • @lauramosneanu7380
      @lauramosneanu7380 5 років тому +17

      I am 17 and goth and never thought of buying the hot topic trash. I rather buy stuff from second hand stores or take my mom's old clothes and upgrade them. I am European and it's no big deal to order from hot topic but it's a wasted of time,money and credibility :)

    • @Virgomeowmeow111
      @Virgomeowmeow111 5 років тому +97

      @@lauramosneanu7380 im also 17 and goth. i dont really see a problem with someone buying something from hot topic..like, who gives a fuck? they have their freedom to express as they wish. ive never been ti the store but im sure i could find something id like even though i mainly thrift or diy my stuff now. I mean think of people who cant afford to buy expensive pieces? Its about the music!!

    • @xoblitz9038
      @xoblitz9038 5 років тому +16

      @@Virgomeowmeow111 I'm 16 and kinda punk. Hot topic has its good side and its bad side. I'm more of an angry young and poor kid but hey hot topic is great for my friends who like pop culture and want items from anime and mainstream comics. Hell, even I like hot topic sometimes, such as that one time I wandered in with my friends and found Iron Maiden's Live After Death album (Hands down one of the best live album ever made. It's that beautiful to me) on a sweatshirt or the time I got a green army style anorak jacket that became a staple in my wardrobe. The bad side is just how cheap their quality is for the price. That same green jacket quickly broke its zipper and is very thin in material, however it is perfect for Southern California weather lol. Although I usually thrift and DIY or buy straight from local artists, you can buy what you like, for it's your money and the product makes you happy :)

    • @Virgomeowmeow111
      @Virgomeowmeow111 5 років тому +5

      @@xoblitz9038 agreed 100%. Thanks for the insight :))

    • @phyrr2
      @phyrr2 5 років тому +2

      Funny, I always blamed Rozz Williams.

  • @AnotherGradus
    @AnotherGradus 7 років тому +119

    I like the _Home Movies/ Bob's Burgers_ -like earnestness with the character animation. Nice work.

  • @jimnooney3560
    @jimnooney3560 7 років тому +669

    I love how comments on these kinds of videos generally fall into two camps: the people who get the humor and the ultra serious purists who nitpick every detail to death "NIN aren't goth" "Are too" "Are Not" "Are too". As for me I think this is pretty damn funny and I really don't care if Robert Smith's third cousin once removed went to school with Siouxsie's hair stylist. "Did not" "Did too" "DID NOT"...

    • @manonleclercq336
      @manonleclercq336 7 років тому

      tmo

    • @baronsamedi3729
      @baronsamedi3729 7 років тому +8

      some people just don't understand when someone is joking

    • @jimnooney3560
      @jimnooney3560 7 років тому +10

      Baron Samedi To me that's sad. Nitpicking every little detail takes a lot of the fun out of life.

    • @baronsamedi3729
      @baronsamedi3729 7 років тому +1

      agreed

    • @jimnooney3560
      @jimnooney3560 7 років тому

      Baron Samedi Great name!!

  • @miffyjii
    @miffyjii 4 роки тому +61

    I believe you can be Goth, and like anything that you want to like, but you can still stick to being Gothic. You just have side traits, or more to you.
    And I also believe what Im seeing all over the comment section is very wrong, somebody should be able to like a genre of music that doesnt apply to gothic terms, and still be gothic. Its part of who people are, and I feel like it's really hypnotizing to diss people for liking a rapper or pop star or k-pop or something and being gothic.

    • @dollienan
      @dollienan 4 роки тому +19

      La Mali gpths arent dissing people for listening to other genres of music or dressing not to the norm of goth, we are just a bit upset everythings called goth just because its kind of edgy

    • @miffyjii
      @miffyjii 4 роки тому +1

      @@dollienan I get slightly upset about it that too, but there's really nothing we can do about it. It's just what society has planted in peoples minds now.

    • @dollienan
      @dollienan 4 роки тому +1

      La Mali yea, it's wack. But I will continue to educate if asked etc.

    • @ukhtiiiii
      @ukhtiiiii 3 роки тому

      THANK U

    • @DEATHBYFLYINGCDS
      @DEATHBYFLYINGCDS 3 роки тому +14

      The only rule to goth is the music, you can listen to any.music you want, as long as one is gothic rock or darkwave

  • @mattheworegan5371
    @mattheworegan5371 4 роки тому +15

    Epilepsy warning:
    2:12

  • @LiisaLadouceur
    @LiisaLadouceur 7 років тому +1287

    Fantastic! Historically accurate and hilarious.

  • @Xnake
    @Xnake 7 років тому +91

    Visigoths, Ostrogoths were fierce warriors.

    • @AbrilStudiosORIGINAL
      @AbrilStudiosORIGINAL 7 років тому

      thnks.

    • @sarahgray430
      @sarahgray430 6 років тому +3

      Yo...they didn't sit around writing bad poetry and bitching about how misunderstood they are by society!

    • @liptongreentea3296
      @liptongreentea3296 6 років тому +1

      Sarah Gray yeah you're they got of their asses and sacked rome man what happened to the good old days

    • @mmestari
      @mmestari 5 років тому

      "Weren't they church builders?"
      No and yes. But those Gothic churches were just named after the original Goths.

  • @robjones2408
    @robjones2408 5 років тому +14

    Good to see the inclusion of The Birthday Party in the list of great Goth bands.
    "Release The Bats" is a classic. In fact, all of their songs are epics.
    Iggy's "The Idiot" is an all-time Goth masterwork. I went to many Goth clubs in
    the early 1980s, and "Sister Midnight" was required listening.
    Siouxie Sue and The Sisters Of Mercy were hardcore Iggy fans.
    They have each covered his songs.

    • @reidgelding7909
      @reidgelding7909 2 роки тому +2

      Funny that they mention The Birthday Party (Which are Goth 101) but use previous bands Boys Next Door 'Door Door' cover as an illustration though...

    • @reidgelding7909
      @reidgelding7909 2 роки тому

      & Ian Curtis hung himself to 'The Idiot'...

    • @nitemareman1
      @nitemareman1 5 місяців тому

      Great point. Yet another way Jim led the charge.

  • @jeordiesalemdahmer3368
    @jeordiesalemdahmer3368 6 років тому +13

    I’m a mall goth who loves his nü-metal but Souxie and the Cure is love 💕

  • @pincmin
    @pincmin 7 років тому +68

    90s goth was mostly about a sub-scene of obscure European bands, tiny independent record labels and fanzines. I can think only of Swans and Current 93 as two bands that goths listened to and became popular later.

    • @96powerpower
      @96powerpower 7 років тому +3

      c93 never reached swans' level of popularity though.

    • @pincmin
      @pincmin 7 років тому +5

      I had forgotten about The Merry Thoughts :) Yes, the 90s was a great decade for goth bands and for music projects within and beyond the goth scene, I remember for instance Sopor Aeternus' Dead Lovers Sarabande, so idiosyncratic and different, it was a good decade for weird music projects.

    • @LaMortDeLaMusique
      @LaMortDeLaMusique 6 років тому +3

      Type O Negative? Even Coal Chamber leaned more towards gothic metal after their first album.

    • @officialclownbusiness7788
      @officialclownbusiness7788 6 років тому +2

      Philip Whitehead Type O Negative kicks so much ass, it made me shit blood.

    • @r.ouellette6192
      @r.ouellette6192 6 років тому +1

      Max Power Type of negative is one of the only bands that fused hardcover and goth well. Twitching tongues is like a modern version of TON.

  • @krimson6605
    @krimson6605 7 років тому +62

    joy division.... oh lord... i used to be obssesed with those guys

    • @KryptoChronicutelite
      @KryptoChronicutelite 7 років тому +22

      what happened? they're still just as great now as they were back then.

    • @gomaplayzyt3603
      @gomaplayzyt3603 4 роки тому +4

      krimson Why you USED to? You downgraded taste in music too!? Like my friends!? Oh god no I am always sticking to them

    • @gomaplayzyt3603
      @gomaplayzyt3603 4 роки тому +4

      krimson joy division will be an example what not to do when you’re eighteen if you fall in love

  • @vicvza
    @vicvza 4 роки тому +19

    even though these girls on tiktok who listen to billie eilish and trap and call themselves goth exist, the real goths and any person with a brain will always be there to remind the world what goth really is.

  • @annaschiro4582
    @annaschiro4582 6 років тому +46

    A Brief history of Punk!!!!!!!!

  • @Microfoot
    @Microfoot 7 років тому +57

    Lost me at the last part if it was meant to be taken seriously. The fact that aspects of goth culture have been assimilated into the mainstream and are now trendy is just a sign of how dead goth culture is. Same thing that happened to punk.

    • @ealing456
      @ealing456 5 років тому +10

      Same thing for many MANY genres of music. Face it: musical subcultures are a dying breed if not dead already.

  • @ThisIsRaven
    @ThisIsRaven 7 років тому +745

    HAHAHAHA i actually made a report at 8th grade about the goth subculture
    p.s:why the batcave was not included? :/

    • @namikotv8562
      @namikotv8562 6 років тому +4

      Omg I LOVE you

    • @vampyresgraveyard8040
      @vampyresgraveyard8040 6 років тому +10

      Probably because they haven't heard of speciemen and they didn't mention them if they mentioned specimen then they would of mention the batcave.

    • @Skiamakhos
      @Skiamakhos 6 років тому +15

      The Batcave, although an important historical milestone, wasn't that much of a contributor, long-term, to the scene. It was important because there were a number of members of various London based bands that went there, and of course there's Alien Sex Fiend that were formed there. They were noticed by the mass media (based in London), so brought Goth to the attention of the media, but what's generally ignored is the importance of Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Liverpool & Manchester to the UK scene, and the contribution of rock to the scene. We talk about Gothic rock as having come from the post-punk thing, from the Batcave, but neatly ignore the Sisters, the Mission, the Cult, and All About Eve in that, who cite influences like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Blues & English Folk Music, or Fields of the Nephilim, from Stevenage. In the grand scheme of things, the Batcave was about as important as the Barrel Organ or Edwards No 8 in Birmingham, Liverpool's Planet X or the Wendy House in Leeds.

    • @Skiamakhos
      @Skiamakhos 6 років тому +3

      (and I say this as one who was active in & thoroughly loved the later scene in London in the late 90s/early 00s)

    • @Skiamakhos
      @Skiamakhos 6 років тому +15

      Also, Siouxsie Sioux as the "First Goth"? Go read up on The Damned. They literally were first to do almost everything. They even had their first album and single out ahead of the Sex Pistols when they were a pure Punk group.

  • @ambrosedugas6959
    @ambrosedugas6959 7 місяців тому

    This is one of my favourite ever UA-cam videos now. Thank you for this phenomenal creation

  • @thatguynamedfausto
    @thatguynamedfausto 6 років тому +7

    "That musical wavy lines shirt! SOLD HERE!" I laughted so hard whit that

  • @vannarae1474
    @vannarae1474 7 років тому +260

    Adorable. Who animated this ?

  • @DJCleptonian
    @DJCleptonian 7 років тому +18

    1:58 everyone has been thru this shit at least once in their life .

  • @battym5870
    @battym5870 4 роки тому +1

    thank u so much I've been wanting to know about goth history for months

  • @bastiansenft845
    @bastiansenft845 6 років тому +21

    Who else had 50 seizures when that one guy started flicking the lights on and off?

    • @gomaplayzyt3603
      @gomaplayzyt3603 4 роки тому +2

      Bastian Senft ian curtis wouldn’t be proud

  • @TestMeatDollSteak
    @TestMeatDollSteak 7 років тому +84

    I'm surprised that Nine Inch Nails got a mention, but none of the preceding 80's "industrial" bands did, such as Skinny Puppy, My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult, KMFDM, Ministry, Throbbing Gristle, Einsturzende Neubauten, etc. Also surprised that Marilyn Manson didn't get some sort of mention, since he arguably defined the "goth" aesthetic in the mid-to-late 90's. Pleasantly surprised to see the Birthday Party mentioned, however. Super underrated band.

    • @foreverdreamwithinadream6871
      @foreverdreamwithinadream6871 6 років тому +6

      Well Ministry's song Everyday is Halloween was played in the video though.

    • @fatheroflies
      @fatheroflies 5 років тому +5

      post-industrial and wax trax shit is a separate but related subculture with pretty distinct music. not sure what fields of the nephilim's psychedelic gloomy rock music has to do with thrill kill kult

    • @a.j8307
      @a.j8307 5 років тому +3

      It's talking about when goth reached it's peak in popularity, and that was because of NIN. They we're way more popular than any of those bands. I do think it's odd to mention NIN but not Marilyn, because they were almost joined at the hip in the 90s. MM didn't really make goth music but his look was definitely similar.

    • @Tamerlane666RLSV
      @Tamerlane666RLSV 5 років тому +1

      BECAUSE NiN brought industrial to the POP MASSES that's why. Go make your own 4 minute and 4 second video if you feel this video lacks info!

    • @angelabartolone9150
      @angelabartolone9150 5 років тому +10

      Because the goth subculture is, or at least was, centered around music. While Manson looked goth, his music most certainly is not. Its shock metal, much like Alice Cooper and Ozzy Osbourne before him.

  • @jaceyp.8457
    @jaceyp.8457 7 років тому +69

    A brief history of punk

  • @sueshe2256
    @sueshe2256 5 років тому +5

    Loved this. The animation, expressions and mannerisms were spot on. I felt like I was in a class I hated again. 😂

  • @yourfavoritestranger4786
    @yourfavoritestranger4786 4 роки тому +19

    I like the hijabi among the audience, thank you for including us 🥰

  • @mj127871
    @mj127871 7 років тому +298

    The cure, the best

    • @_Piers_
      @_Piers_ 7 років тому +7

      mj127871 Robert's always insisted they were never goths...but what would he know!!! :)

    • @burberrys5733
      @burberrys5733 7 років тому +17

      Robert Smith is God not Goth

    • @ianturnbow7011
      @ianturnbow7011 7 років тому +11

      Pink Floyd didn't like being called "psychedelic rock" when they debuted with their first LP in 1967. I'm sure that was more so Syd Barrett's opinion of what was largely *his* music for the band at the time. I believe this carried after Syd in 1968 up until ~1980 when the band broke up.

    • @nellycompean6936
      @nellycompean6936 7 років тому

      mj127871 el ISO y la la mañana tiene mucha que sñññgį

    • @underedenxx
      @underedenxx 7 років тому +2

      Pook365 Who can blame him?? The second it was labeled and people started talking about it immediately lost its mystery which.... was the whole point....

  • @atomicbrain9401
    @atomicbrain9401 7 років тому +223

    I fully support this and welcome more videos like it for other genres, as well.

  • @XxTeFixXP
    @XxTeFixXP 8 місяців тому

    Man this was incredible. You need to make more like this!! ❤❤

  • @eobo1
    @eobo1 6 років тому

    binge watching this channel i love this!

  • @gmj1able
    @gmj1able 7 років тому +11

    Cocteau Twins. Thanks for mentioning them.

    • @saturn9372
      @saturn9372 6 років тому +1

      Gabby James yaaass

  • @JimmyCos
    @JimmyCos 7 років тому +173

    A lot of dogmatic goths in the comments section. The video is about the goth subculture in the big sense of the word, not only the original goth rock genre which evolved. Even visual kei are goth today.

  • @Stainedf4rm
    @Stainedf4rm 4 роки тому +12

    I swear I flipping love these and who ever animates these

  • @alexandredion2151
    @alexandredion2151 4 роки тому +8

    Just fell in love with The Cure, I’m totally addicted ✌🏻

  • @creekandseminole
    @creekandseminole 7 років тому +18

    Before I scroll down to read the comments for a few minutes, I'm just wondering how many "Actually" people there are. You know, those people who start off their comments with, "Actually... Batman invented goth comics and Actually it was destined that Anakin invent C-3PO because like poetry it rhymes..."

    • @abysssss
      @abysssss 6 років тому

      _Actually_ ...
      :3

  • @GoreGothSam
    @GoreGothSam 7 років тому +28

    I appreciate that they played the darker side of Cure and Ministry.

    • @Nelson-jc9kp
      @Nelson-jc9kp 7 років тому

      Me too! So happy they went with one hundred years. Love your channel btw, the video where your dad narrated was hilarious. I'm subscribed on my other account

  • @brandxlion
    @brandxlion 7 років тому +7

    Fuckin love The Cure, Joy Division, Siouxie & The Banshees, Bauhaus, & Marilyn Manson

  • @jacobjames1171
    @jacobjames1171 4 роки тому +4

    I love listening to the Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil.

  • @hamblok0
    @hamblok0 7 років тому +281

    Now we got boring witchy goths that listen to Chelsea Wolfe and flirt with armchair occultism and essential oils. No disrespect to CW tho.

    • @Hardbody94
      @Hardbody94 7 років тому +19

      chelsea wolfe is my shortie

    • @AionAndroid
      @AionAndroid 7 років тому +39

      chelsea wolfe is good though lol

    • @hamblok0
      @hamblok0 7 років тому +26

      Yeah, hence why I said no disrespect to CW

    • @CassandraPantaristi
      @CassandraPantaristi 7 років тому +24

      I am a more traditional goth. I love the classical goth bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Cure, The Cruxshadows, Alien Sex Fiend, The Sisters of Mercy, Skinny Puppy, and lots of other bands.

    • @justgween7573
      @justgween7573 7 років тому +6

      what exactly is "armchair occultism"? is it a phrase for people who aren't serious about it or something?

  • @conradwulf
    @conradwulf 6 років тому +18

    it's actually thanks to andi sexgang living at the visigoth towers in brixton, and ian astbury coined the term by calling him the gothic goblin, and calling the women who followed him as the goths. learn real music history.

  • @bubblebubbleblip
    @bubblebubbleblip 6 років тому +1

    I love that you made it like a school project! That's so clever :)

  • @Amy_art_antique_store
    @Amy_art_antique_store 5 років тому

    thank you so much for this, i literally needed this for a school assignment lol

  • @taliahernandez1761
    @taliahernandez1761 5 років тому +7

    0:28 “oh my god” lmfaooo

  • @SimonRobinson137
    @SimonRobinson137 6 років тому +1

    As Brit who was a teen goth-ish in the 1980s I thought you guys did really well creating this video. To be honest I had not really realised how British/ European was - I had imagined that there were more US bands. One US band I do remember was The Cramps - their albums were sold in a lot of goth shops (in oxford anyway). Also, bands like The Southern Death Cult maybe deserve a mention - they became The Cult and their experiences in the US with the still-underground house scene influenced them a lot - maybe more than you guys realise. It's worth hunting some of their interviews as it will add an extra dimension. But yeah, really enjoyed this - cheers. (The reason I say goth-ish was that some of us dressed a bit goth but also were into other leftfield music as well - much electronic.

  • @thefangirlingpuellamagi3345
    @thefangirlingpuellamagi3345 6 років тому +1

    I love how the infamous Unknown Pleasures shirt just keeps reappearing throughout the video

  • @copdatchoppa
    @copdatchoppa 4 роки тому +13

    The goth sub culture has been diluted with many misconceptions revolving around it by society (yes, most likely even by you, the person reading this). We've forgotten what goth was all about; dark fictions, the literature, rebellion, THE MUSIC(most importantly).
    Nowadays the kids like to play pretend and dress up. Little do they know they're just poorly imitating what they think they are.
    Edit: *Also this video is mostly inaccurate* and seemingly based off a standard view of what goth is. Whoever created this video wasn't looking deep enough into the subject, but merely surfacing with research. *(This is another reason why the goth culture is so messy today, people are poorly informed about it)*

    • @sagepebbles2261
      @sagepebbles2261 3 роки тому +3

      How would one get better informed about the goth subculture?

    • @bizyizziaz4831
      @bizyizziaz4831 2 роки тому

      @@sagepebbles2261 why y´all styled like how we grew up

    • @thirdstrike4u
      @thirdstrike4u 2 роки тому +3

      And even by you. Goth is just a music subculture, it's not about rebellion. As for literature you are confusing goth and gothic as the same thing when it's not. Also goth isn't a fashion subculture or a state of mind.

    • @thirdstrike4u
      @thirdstrike4u 2 роки тому

      @@sagepebbles2261 look up kai decadence or acuumortis. Best goth UA-camrs imo.

  • @Monkraft
    @Monkraft 7 років тому +108

    goth money records

  • @elizabethportuondo2778
    @elizabethportuondo2778 3 роки тому +2

    I love how u made this video educational and funny💀

  • @TheMerseySound1
    @TheMerseySound1 6 років тому +1

    You could have considered "Proto-Goth" songs and bands in the 60s
    'Paint In Black' by The Rolling Stones lyrically
    'I Hate You' , 'Complication' by The Monks
    'Talk Talk', 'Talk Me Down', 'Bottom Of The Soul', 'Trouble', 'Come On In', 'You'll Love Me Again' by The Music Machine, especially considering their image at the time
    And for good measure, early Velvet Underground

  • @beansalad6242
    @beansalad6242 7 років тому +4

    3:30 I'm sobbing omfg 😂😂

  • @zeaJ
    @zeaJ 7 років тому +5

    Nice inclusion of Ministry - Every Day is Halloween, coinciding with the fact that this video was published on 31 October ;)

  • @NuYiDao
    @NuYiDao 6 років тому

    Love the format. Now make a VR experience edition. Schnell!

  • @zavadajanos
    @zavadajanos 6 років тому

    This series is awesome! Love it.

  • @ernstundsehrbose4060
    @ernstundsehrbose4060 7 років тому +10

    they actually show the cover of boys next doors "door, door" when talking about birthday party. not a big mistake, but still....

    • @osmark86
      @osmark86 6 років тому

      ernst undsehrböse the Nick Cave fan in me couldn't help get a bit irked by that inaccuracy, but oh well...

  • @tiaj.2625
    @tiaj.2625 4 роки тому +4

    No mention of the father of Goth, Dave Vanian? He decided to be a vampire when everyone else was dressing as punks

  • @renderosity
    @renderosity 6 років тому

    Awesome animation! Very funny and informative. Like...uh...infunnymative. Will share this all over!

  • @user-ht2mi4fv6g
    @user-ht2mi4fv6g 3 роки тому +6

    Warning: Flashing Lights at 2:13

  • @kuliranisti
    @kuliranisti 7 років тому +16

    Killing Joke ? ? ? ?

  • @tmp745
    @tmp745 7 років тому +79

    um this goth vid has 6,666 views...m

  • @MxPotato84
    @MxPotato84 5 років тому

    This was amusingly funny. Love it!

  • @Goth_Person.
    @Goth_Person. 5 місяців тому +2

    “Kanye is definitely goth”
    - that one goth kid in the video with the fishnets

  • @SicklyLove.MP4
    @SicklyLove.MP4 4 роки тому +11

    I totally didn't click on this just because I'm goth ._.

  • @nancymoralesgarrido3228
    @nancymoralesgarrido3228 4 роки тому +3

    Oh My Goth!!! This is pretty cool!, all the references were so perfect and I loved the cute goth exhibitors 🖤

    • @bizyizziaz4831
      @bizyizziaz4831 2 роки тому

      omg why are you all styled like how we grew up

  • @sachadcx
    @sachadcx 6 років тому +1

    This video was perfect in so many ways

  • @kyoyameganebereznoff
    @kyoyameganebereznoff 3 роки тому +39

    Just a reminder that people are allowed to dress goth and also listen to music that you personally don’t care for. People who have the same taste in fashion don’t always have the same taste in music. While fashion and music are frequently linked, they’re not always joined at the hip, and some of these artists I see being dissed in the comments may have been inspired by the music listed in the video. I just watched an awesome video about a rapper who was inspired by Kate Bush; someone’s inspirations may not directly line up with the genre they end up writing in.
    TL;DR - People are allowed to like things even if you don’t like them. Be nice, for goodness sake.

    • @KimiChanJapan
      @KimiChanJapan 2 роки тому +12

      People can dress in black or like a goth person would. That doesn't make them goth if they don't like the music. It makes them darkly inclined.
      If one Dresses punk and doesn't like punk music than the aren't punk. If someone Dresses black metal but but only likes rap it doesn't make them a metal head.
      One can dress in scrubs if they want, but that doesn't make them a nurse or Dr.
      The clothing doesn't make one goth, and goths will tell someone who isn't into the goth scene that they aren't goth.

    • @johnnywitter8283
      @johnnywitter8283 2 роки тому +2

      @@KimiChanJapan True.

  • @Alex-qf9tw
    @Alex-qf9tw 4 роки тому +88

    Edgar Allen Poe is the first Gothic icon why didn't you go all the way back c'mon this is disappointing as all ways

  • @enjoyDrankMix
    @enjoyDrankMix 7 років тому +4

    This actually should've mentioned how christian death was a huge contribution not a later band

  • @hippiedaze1970
    @hippiedaze1970 6 років тому

    Thanks for this video. Very nice.

  • @yiliankarisawa4836
    @yiliankarisawa4836 6 років тому

    Everyone one always forgets about New Romantic/ Blitz Kids which were part of it, especially in the 80s in England.

  • @danamahmoud951
    @danamahmoud951 7 років тому +30

    I LOVE the little girl in the background wearing the hijab! Cute!

    • @user-gp1hk9vh8q
      @user-gp1hk9vh8q 4 роки тому +4

      Yeah because that was the point of the video

  • @a.j8307
    @a.j8307 5 років тому +3

    As a huge NIN fanboy, I was super happy when they mentioned Pretty Hate Machine. Trent helped make goth sexy in 1989.

  • @HollieBlack
    @HollieBlack 4 роки тому

    Can you please explain the gothic look of The Addams Family cartoon strip and Vampira from well before the 70s? Where did they get this look from? Were there Goths in the 30s, 40s, and 50s?

  • @jasuk2992
    @jasuk2992 5 років тому

    All the voice actors were so good and really liked the video

  • @pryingeyes1551
    @pryingeyes1551 5 років тому +6

    While the gothic scene was popular in the 90s (I was in it,) NIN wasn't a contemporary gothic artist. More acts like London After Midnight, and Miranda Sex Garden. Nine Inch Nails fans were called "NINnies," as an insult in the scene.
    Mostly, an accurate video other than that, and the end.

    • @tommythecat7752
      @tommythecat7752 5 років тому

      But just because a bunch of purists who don't understand the connection between Industrial and Darkwave say it doesn't make it not true. They don't sound anything like the other bands but their early work did have an element of Darkwave in it.

    • @shikenkanbaby
      @shikenkanbaby 5 років тому

      @@tommythecat7752 I think he's stating that NIN simply were not a goth band. They were a dark sounding band that people stated were goth and that the mall goths gravitated towards. Funny enough it is around this time that goth began to end because record producers, journalists, black metal fans, emos etc misused the term which destroyed its meaning and identity. Even to this day goth is considered an insult even in nightclubs where they only play goth rock ha ha.

    • @tommythecat7752
      @tommythecat7752 5 років тому

      @@shikenkanbaby Yeah that's fair enough

    • @invader4life36
      @invader4life36 5 років тому

      prying eyes WHAT!?!!? Nine inch nails isn’t a gothic band. Where you get your information from? Also what’s a gothic scene? you do know gothic and goth are two different things.

    • @shikenkanbaby
      @shikenkanbaby 5 років тому

      @@invader4life36 NIN are not goth because they're not goth rock. They're industrial. Goths listened to goth rock、grungers listened to grunge 、metal heads listen to metal. The music comes first then the subculture.