A brief history of goths - Dan Adams

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  • Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
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    What do fans of atmospheric post-punk music have in common with ancient barbarians? Not much ... so why are both known as “goths”? Is it a weird coincidence - or is there a deeper connection stretching across the centuries? Dan Adams investigates.
    Lesson by Dan Adams, animation by Globizco.

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  • @sorcellerie
    @sorcellerie 2 роки тому +6575

    "it's not a phase, mom"
    **Roman empire sweating**

  • @blindoutlaw
    @blindoutlaw 3 роки тому +3982

    True gothic fashion. Chainmail armour, iron helmet and a glorious axe on your belt

    • @brandonprendergast8342
      @brandonprendergast8342 2 роки тому +63

      Yeah we don't need pants where we're going

    • @lucasbrant9856
      @lucasbrant9856 2 роки тому +45

      @@brandonprendergast8342 Scotland?

    • @collegebro85
      @collegebro85 2 роки тому +31

      Then in the 90's, it turned into chained wallets, iron facial piercings, and a flimsy enough belt to let your JNCO jeans to sag to your knees...

    • @Nikku4211
      @Nikku4211 2 роки тому +12

      Imagine Amy Lee in chainmail armour.

    • @leonardoraele
      @leonardoraele 2 роки тому +4

      @blindoutlaw Joke police here. They used bronze at the time, not iron.

  • @Saternalius
    @Saternalius 2 роки тому +3144

    Steampunk: When Goths discover the colour brown.

  • @josephjackson1956
    @josephjackson1956 5 років тому +9500

    So Goths have been edgy from the beginning

    • @TsulaAngenati2292
      @TsulaAngenati2292 4 роки тому +438

      joseph jackson yes, but the edge came from axes instead of annoying self loathing

    • @TomCook-jw6ur
      @TomCook-jw6ur 4 роки тому +10

      joseph jackson Maybe hedgy; untrimmed; poorly maintained!

    • @RedFloyd469
      @RedFloyd469 4 роки тому +293

      @Jessey Ellis Sue Perkins said it best:
      Emos hate themselves, Goths hate everyone else.

    • @Angel-mn3jr
      @Angel-mn3jr 3 роки тому +30

      Red Floyd u do realize being goth or emo is just the music u listen to-

    • @Angel-mn3jr
      @Angel-mn3jr 3 роки тому +5

      Red Floyd but yes u r right🤨

  • @strega0
    @strega0 7 років тому +5570

    "If you're a Goth, where were you when we sacked Rome?"

    • @vectorskywalker2235
      @vectorskywalker2235 3 роки тому +302

      "oh so youre a goth? Name every Roman Country you captured."

    • @yaboiiiogre1332
      @yaboiiiogre1332 3 роки тому +35

      Vector Skywalker There were only Two Roman Empires, and a bunch if numerous successor states from both the west and the east such as Soissons, Epirus,Trebizond, and more including the Gothic kingdom of Theodoro which became independent around a thousand years after the fall of the Western Empire. None of these were actually completely conquered by the goths. The Visigoths conquered almost all of Spain and southern Gaul and the Ostrogoths conquered Italy from Odoacer after the west fell so the Goths never took over an entire half of the Roman Empire. A much more accurate question would be to ask “If you are really gothic, how many roman cities and towns have you sacked?”

    • @MrCheesecake1928
      @MrCheesecake1928 3 роки тому +22

      Omg you cant ask people why they're goth!

    • @4mnesia__
      @4mnesia__ 3 роки тому +29

      Uhmmmmm
      I kinda had school so I couldn’t sack Rome...

    • @tonchette7993
      @tonchette7993 3 роки тому +1

      Thousand'th like lmao

  • @ashishshrma
    @ashishshrma 7 років тому +9717

    so you mean, it's not a phase....?

    • @nickolassmith8759
      @nickolassmith8759 5 років тому +245

      Yes, its not a phase. Ive been goth since I was 12 and Im 20 now

    • @_Katzenberg
      @_Katzenberg 5 років тому +67

      it's more like a cyclican phase, who knows what would be called goth in the future (if there is one at all)

    • @kaiserwilhelmii9705
      @kaiserwilhelmii9705 5 років тому +76

      Gothic knights are more badass
      Change my mind

    • @eleni4862
      @eleni4862 5 років тому +43

      Once on the goth side always on the goth side

    • @Tricker-the-licker
      @Tricker-the-licker 4 роки тому +3

      @@kaiserwilhelmii9705 no

  • @Asteroid_Jam
    @Asteroid_Jam 4 роки тому +16117

    Don’t 👏say 👏you 👏want👏 a 👏goth 👏girlfriend 👏if 👏you👏freak 👏out 👏when 👏she 👏sacks 👏Rome.

    • @aprilphinazee9288
      @aprilphinazee9288 4 роки тому +216

      I clapped and sung it! 😋 I liked it

    • @JuanManuel-ii1ov
      @JuanManuel-ii1ov 4 роки тому +403

      Sacking Rome is perfect for a first date, then Constantinople.

    • @valon5069
      @valon5069 4 роки тому +75

      Juan Manuel sorry mate, that don’t exist no more. There’s only Istanbul now

    • @JuanManuel-ii1ov
      @JuanManuel-ii1ov 4 роки тому +160

      @@valon5069 Byzantium, Constantinople, Istanbul, only a matter of name, still won't prevent the sacking a la 4th Crusade.

    • @ethanbenner6995
      @ethanbenner6995 4 роки тому +27

      I’ll help her do it.

  • @TheEyesThrone
    @TheEyesThrone 2 роки тому +802

    Ancient barbarian goths: “Im sad we havent taken over the world yet”
    The cure: well im just sad

    • @Randive
      @Randive 2 роки тому +7

      Rome was trying to take the world too, but I won’t deny anyone else wouldn’t have if they could.

    • @hermit0715
      @hermit0715 Рік тому +4

      @@Randive Some maybe not all. I believe some of us just want to see each other prosper with freedom.

    • @KatieDeGo
      @KatieDeGo 6 місяців тому

      I would give my foot to get Robert Smith to smile 😊

    • @KornOnAKob420
      @KornOnAKob420 Місяць тому

      LMFAO

  • @EVanimations
    @EVanimations 7 років тому +5582

    Man I love this art style, very Samurai Jack

    • @pasijutaulietuviuesas9174
      @pasijutaulietuviuesas9174 7 років тому +118

      EVanimations Gotta get back... Back to the past... Samurai Jack... WATCH OUT! Gotta get back...

    • @EVanimations
      @EVanimations 7 років тому +164

      Man, I wasn't even implying SJ invented the style. It just happened to remind me of it. Such unnecessary hostility.

    • @MasterGXD
      @MasterGXD 7 років тому +2

      Morbidcrab ur mum a dunce

    • @masquenmanifest
      @masquenmanifest 7 років тому +4

      omg i was just thinking this when i read your comment

    • @FRISHR
      @FRISHR 7 років тому +35

      Extra T H I C C

  • @sovietblobfish2330
    @sovietblobfish2330 2 роки тому +644

    When she says she’s goth but won’t execute the prime minister of Italy

  • @pumpkinlightsfanservice9484
    @pumpkinlightsfanservice9484 5 років тому +6405

    Can we all agree that there is just something so starkly elegant in gothic architecture? It’s stunning, the amount of strength such matchstick-like pillars and arches convey, and the intricate stonework and glass just adds to the overall feel. Elegance, grace, and the demand for respect just seeps from the walls!

    • @gunjfur8633
      @gunjfur8633 4 роки тому +51

      Can't disagree

    • @RikkuTakanashi
      @RikkuTakanashi 4 роки тому +145

      I'd never known that Gothic architecture was called thus to be derogatory. You'd never think it looking at it's elegance and grace. I always thought it was called goth because gothic and goth tend to be associated with "darker" aspects of society and the gothic era architecture were from a period people consider the darker ages. Which, if you really think about it, the stunning architecture of the "gothic era" was actually probably the brightest and most marvelous things in the average person's life back then.

    • @ducoo6212
      @ducoo6212 4 роки тому +43

      @@RikkuTakanashi the word goth(ic) was just a term created in the renaissance and then used to name catholic church architecture of past centuries. its just a term like byzantine with no source at all.

    • @justanawkwardnerd
      @justanawkwardnerd 4 роки тому +19

      I know, it must be some of the most beautiful forms of architecture I've ever seen! Definitely one of my favorites! It's just so awe-inspiring - mind-boggling how it was coined as boorish!

    • @bagleboy7985
      @bagleboy7985 3 роки тому +4

      Usually I don't mind liking comments when they're already on numbers like 666, but I can't be the one to ruin the 666 likes on THIS video.

  • @masterklaw4527
    @masterklaw4527 2 роки тому +637

    Goth is going to outlive everyone who says it's just a phase.
    Current streak: >1500 years

  • @genericangst8665
    @genericangst8665 6 років тому +1882

    You forgot one very important kind of Goth: The Sims Goths.

    • @ilovecheez7769
      @ilovecheez7769 4 роки тому +18

      Ah, Indeed.

    • @emryss9513
      @emryss9513 3 роки тому +3

      Thank you- X3

    • @ericwhang9684
      @ericwhang9684 3 роки тому +30

      bella belongs to tha streets smh

    • @GothikaRodriguez
      @GothikaRodriguez 3 роки тому +22

      I stole Cecilia's Husband so I can become a Goth 🤦🏽😭

    • @KatariaGujjar
      @KatariaGujjar 3 роки тому +9

      @@GothikaRodriguez
      Very --barbaric-- gothic of you

  • @ioannispolemarkhos7364
    @ioannispolemarkhos7364 4 роки тому +2282

    Vandals then: "We'll break your stuff, we don't care."
    Vandals now: "We'll break your stuff, we don't care."

    • @justanawkwardnerd
      @justanawkwardnerd 4 роки тому +26

      Maybe that's where the word comes from?

    • @liamjm9278
      @liamjm9278 4 роки тому +196

      @@justanawkwardnerd The Vandals sacked Rome so hard that the word Vandalism was invented.

    • @akakios7386
      @akakios7386 3 роки тому +77

      @@liamjm9278 And then of course Christian and Roman writers focused on that, and all the negatives without remembering A.) They actually built more that they destroyed, (The amount of stuff they built in Carthage is facinating, they did still sack Rome though, very hard, almost too hard). B.) the Vandals were also Christian, a different type of Christian, but Christian none the less.
      -
      But hey, this is what happens, people tend to villainize their enemies, I mean no offense to modern Christianity. The past was brutal, and people seem to love turning their rivals into demons.

    • @liamjm9278
      @liamjm9278 3 роки тому +21

      @@akakios7386 Ok barbarian.

    • @stuckonaslide
      @stuckonaslide 3 роки тому +1

      yes, that is what a vandal is

  • @sadsackkvisling9694
    @sadsackkvisling9694 4 роки тому +865

    I remember when Gothic chicks spent most of their time tending cattle, piggies, wagons, horses, weaving, and babies.

    • @riri_rmrz
      @riri_rmrz 3 роки тому +6

      @@Regarded69 Pretty different. Most “goths” don’t have any biological relation to the ancient Spaniards. It’s just a style now sadky

    • @lil_pan46
      @lil_pan46 3 роки тому +17

      @@riri_rmrz you're kidding..right...?

    • @bruhguy2356
      @bruhguy2356 3 роки тому +18

      @@riri_rmrz Spaniards? Are you on drugs?

    • @Reichthoff
      @Reichthoff 2 роки тому +8

      Valkyries were gothic chicks too! They were the nordic warrior women.

    • @chaudharyakshaypanwar91
      @chaudharyakshaypanwar91 2 роки тому +3

      This goth race is known as jatt/jutt/jat in Indian subcontinent, getae in romania and in greek language and got/goths in germany and european countries.

  • @marylight9700
    @marylight9700 6 років тому +4019

    It's ironic that Christians namely (/possibly others?) see Gothic as Demonic when in reality, Gothic came _from_ when Christianity had a choke-hold on society/was most powerful

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz 6 років тому +280

      Actually it's Enlightnment, Renaissance and in general rationalism which sees gothic as "demonic" in the sense of being populated by irrational "demons", including Christian ideas.

    • @abrupt.cr4sh
      @abrupt.cr4sh 6 років тому +339

      Also, not all Christians see Goth as demonic. Only the more judgmental ones. As a Christian and a Goth, who also happens to be obsessed with the Gothic tribes, I can safely say that most actual Christians have no problems with it. Our only concerns are with lyrical content and what symbols you wear.

    • @martiqueheisler5959
      @martiqueheisler5959 5 років тому +85

      Brandon Phillips Very true (I'm a Christian too, although gothic isn't quite my style lol. No hate intended tho)

    • @jlupus8804
      @jlupus8804 5 років тому +37

      Dang ignorance is strong in this one

    • @haleyconnor1623
      @haleyconnor1623 5 років тому +53

      Ikr I’m Christian but I think it’s ridiculous when people call everything satanic like Halloween or goths like without satan there would be no balance in life

  • @xcarlosssx
    @xcarlosssx 6 років тому +7053

    Real goths were born in the 1200s, posers

    • @1EmaRock1
      @1EmaRock1 4 роки тому +49

      HAHAHAHAHA

    • @TheUnMaka
      @TheUnMaka 4 роки тому +20

      @@1EmaRock1 What's so funny?

    • @1EmaRock1
      @1EmaRock1 4 роки тому +100

      @@TheUnMaka The joke, I am a simple person, I was amused at the joke.

    • @TheUnMaka
      @TheUnMaka 4 роки тому +20

      @@1EmaRock1 I understand your reason of joy, I asked what was the joke.

    • @1EmaRock1
      @1EmaRock1 4 роки тому +118

      @@TheUnMaka Ah! Okay.
      Lately when some young people dressed as gothic appear and say they are gothic, millennial goths complain about these young people who "pretend" to be gothic, and tell them "You are not a real gothic! The real gothic is about the 80's gothic MUSIC "
      The joke based on the history of goticism is that you could say that the millennial goths are not real goths because the real goths are those of the 1200s and they (the millennial goths) are posers.

  • @kindofme07
    @kindofme07 7 років тому +2016

    this video is so visually pleasing

  • @Jazzmany11
    @Jazzmany11 2 роки тому +33

    Mom during the roman empire: "change clothes"
    Kid: "is not a phase, mom"
    present - still not a phase lol

    • @megagorillagripsupersoaker
      @megagorillagripsupersoaker 2 роки тому

      ON GAWD 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊

    • @plebthepebble3877
      @plebthepebble3877 2 роки тому +1

      "mother its not a pha-"
      "silence i do not want you wearing that- witch like clothing-"
      "how do even know what they dr-"
      "silence CHANGE THIS INSTANT were only buying food -_-"

  • @singulartrout
    @singulartrout 3 роки тому +246

    you're forgetting the only true goth icoon of the 21st century:
    Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way

    • @abigailmartin2650
      @abigailmartin2650 3 роки тому +19

      C Fish im shaken to my core why did you have to dredge up this curse

    • @gabyrivera1731
      @gabyrivera1731 3 роки тому +2

      Good god

    • @yoot3008
      @yoot3008 3 роки тому +3

      don’t forget draco

    • @Mike-lx9qn
      @Mike-lx9qn 3 роки тому +1

      I don't get it

    • @Nobody-im2jh
      @Nobody-im2jh 3 роки тому +3

      @@Mike-lx9qn My Immortal fanfiction

  • @WitchKat
    @WitchKat 7 років тому +2219

    hmm, it ignores a bit of the outside forces and influences of Gothic fashion - specifically, the fashion movement based of Victorian era mourning attire, popularized by queen Victoria's famously drastic additions to mourning etiquette after the death of her husband. it's one of the first connections of fashion to the term Gothic, due like the video says to the churches and somewhat to the writing, but specifically connecting the clothing to death and funerals. it's also why every goth ever has to constantly hear the sarcastic questions 'who died?' and 'where is the funeral?'. for all these reasons Gothic subculture is both consciously and subconsciously hardwired to the ideas of death, doom and gloom in the minds of collective society no matter how lively it is in actuality. but hey. at least we can be counted on to put the Fun in Funeral.

    • @kikaiko99
      @kikaiko99 6 років тому +24

      AlphaMonster best comment.

    • @Queenofobscurepairings
      @Queenofobscurepairings 6 років тому +41

      Ya! It irks me too. I love how original goths give us all this. But I into Victorian/Edwardian clothing..and I hate when people say "Am goth" and am "NO! you just in love dark era of Victorian/ed times when death was common and they were madly love with idea." You know.

    • @kennethmckay6391
      @kennethmckay6391 4 роки тому +72

      Thats because fashion was a happy side effect not the point of the gothic music subculture.
      And it was a music subculture. That a lot of people dont realise, acknowledge, or accept this is their problem.

    • @vampireotaku4172
      @vampireotaku4172 4 роки тому +9

      Don't forget edwardian as well. My favorite 🖤

    • @RaRa-vf3zx
      @RaRa-vf3zx 4 роки тому +39

      But this isn’t about fashion, but about origin and terminology lol

  • @pilipusezra5957
    @pilipusezra5957 7 років тому +3502

    Kudos for the beautiful animation!

    • @Xeronimo74
      @Xeronimo74 7 років тому +55

      yeah, it's gorgeous!

    • @WhispersOfWind
      @WhispersOfWind 7 років тому +13

      yes, something to behold. In this sense I really love 'illustrations' of various sort, and (general) drawings/art... that tell _something,_ some more elaborately (so) than others.

    • @helenhoang3793
      @helenhoang3793 7 років тому +3

      Philipus Ezra I

    • @rickandjoanw6010
      @rickandjoanw6010 6 років тому +24

      It looks like something from samurai jack

    • @Peachey1117
      @Peachey1117 6 років тому

      Philipus Ezra I

  • @mercury3222
    @mercury3222 5 років тому +135

    Well, what can I say?
    It was Walpole

  • @Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost
    @Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost 5 років тому +58

    Thanks for this. I always thought that saying "goth originated in the early 80s with death metal" was far too narrow to describe the culture. Especially with many Goths having a common interests in classic horror movies and literature, many of which predate the 1970s at the latest.

  • @lucenildofilho5710
    @lucenildofilho5710 7 років тому +2437

    Now I'm wanting them to do episodes about all music styles

    • @kdoe1305
      @kdoe1305 7 років тому +28

      Lucenildo Filho
      Yaaasss death metal and black metal!
      :)

    • @badusername723
      @badusername723 7 років тому +18

      Is Gorillaz a music style?

    • @scarletstarlet773
      @scarletstarlet773 7 років тому +18

      +Bad Username no, it's a band

    • @GlowZoe
      @GlowZoe 7 років тому +2

      Bad Username yes actually

    • @darksidecola4529
      @darksidecola4529 7 років тому +20

      K Doe If they did one on metal in general I would die of happiness.

  • @CrazyMixization
    @CrazyMixization 7 років тому +2683

    "to artists finding beauty in darkness"

    • @fandyus4125
      @fandyus4125 7 років тому +38

      What about it?

    • @DrPonner
      @DrPonner 7 років тому +70

      There is a beauty in darkness.

    • @fandyus4125
      @fandyus4125 7 років тому +160

      Hello darkness, my old friend.

    • @Dantick09
      @Dantick09 7 років тому +37

      When I close my eyes all I see is beauty

    •  7 років тому +29

      There is so much beauty in this darkness that I cannot see.

  • @cristianbocanegra497
    @cristianbocanegra497 5 років тому +10

    My goodness... These series are so amazing!! Explained in a way that keeps drawing you deeper and deeper into curiosity. I love it. Thank you!!

  • @freakzone1284
    @freakzone1284 3 роки тому +16

    Amazing video, i love how Siouxsie portrays the gothic style at the start of the video

    • @RIXRADvidz
      @RIXRADvidz 2 роки тому +2

      She is considered to be a Goth Goddess by some people. Nina Hagen and Lena Lovich also defined the Goth Goddess look. good music too.

  • @gretchenhangleton9603
    @gretchenhangleton9603 7 років тому +78

    "Artists finding beauty in darkness" ! What a great phrase to sum up Goth. Great video, nicely done.

  • @AYAmusic.
    @AYAmusic. 7 років тому +170

    The animation in this is flawless

  • @joshuaperales3408
    @joshuaperales3408 2 роки тому +4

    im genuinely blown away by how in depth and well made this video is! i wasnt expecting this when i clicked on it! well done!

  • @Foxtrotter42
    @Foxtrotter42 3 роки тому +89

    anyone else notice how the modern goth looked exactly like Siouxsie Sioux from Siouxsie and the banshees?

    • @punkrockjoanofarc
      @punkrockjoanofarc 3 роки тому +5

      I do! She rocks!

    • @GanjaMasterBlaster
      @GanjaMasterBlaster 3 роки тому +5

      I already recognized her!
      Big fan of Siouxsie and the Banshees

    • @Foxtrotter42
      @Foxtrotter42 3 роки тому +3

      @@GanjaMasterBlaster Same, incredible voice

    • @GanjaMasterBlaster
      @GanjaMasterBlaster 3 роки тому +4

      @@Foxtrotter42 i know
      I really love her voice, especially the song Spellbound
      Also big fan of the cure as well
      And I'm a cybergoth fan of Eisenfunk

    • @Foxtrotter42
      @Foxtrotter42 3 роки тому +2

      @@GanjaMasterBlaster Yesss Spellbound is one of my favourites, The Cure i'm not too big on however gotta love A Forest, I'm more into Birthday Party and Bauhaus

  • @KuroiHato69
    @KuroiHato69 7 років тому +218

    I am an Elder Goth and I absolutely loved this! Beautifully done and wonderful explanations. I too hope that you do one about the different Goth music subgenres and please use the same artist!

    • @SuperGman117
      @SuperGman117 6 років тому +6

      What exactly is an Elder Goth?

    • @Saibishii
      @Saibishii 6 років тому +35

      Sigiswulf An older goth, and generally, one who has been in the scene since it's origins (80's) I call them the O.G.'s (originial goths) They are much respected by the up-and-comers as well as the newbs (known as baby bats)

    • @meginna8354
      @meginna8354 4 роки тому +16

      @@Saibishii this sounds like some weird larping

    • @CyberneticHamster108
      @CyberneticHamster108 4 роки тому +18

      All hail the Elder Goth's, Gothulhu fhtagn

    • @averageminecraftenjoyer9419
      @averageminecraftenjoyer9419 2 роки тому +11

      The 80’s and 90’s goths were honestly more fun than those emos that fake depression

  • @GothicElf68
    @GothicElf68 6 років тому +33

    As someone who loves Goth music, fashion, and art, but who also enjoys history and other intellectual pursuits, I loved this. Great educational video concerning the history of the origins of the word, and to a lesser extent, the music itself.

    • @TheItalianTroop16
      @TheItalianTroop16 7 місяців тому

      Bro goths are cringe

    • @purplepedantry
      @purplepedantry 3 місяці тому

      ​@@TheItalianTroop16
      Cringe Culture is dead, you heretic.

  • @Elligons
    @Elligons 4 роки тому +12

    I think this better explains Goths than any Goth Vlogger youtube has to offer. Thanks.

  • @jesseadams828
    @jesseadams828 2 роки тому +8

    This part of history is simply not covered enough. Thank you for the great video!

  • @zombieinferno
    @zombieinferno 7 років тому +185

    back in the late 70s we also referred to early Goths as Batcavers - which came from the London club Batcave that heavily influenced the subculture. We had schoolyard chants regarding Wavers & Batcavers which was ironic since my high school years were ankle length trenches, misfit haircuts, and 40-hole Docs.
    Still in love with my fair skinned, raven tressed beauty.

    • @TomCook-jw6ur
      @TomCook-jw6ur 4 роки тому +1

      Gary A. Like I care?

    • @michaelinglis8516
      @michaelinglis8516 4 роки тому +26

      @@TomCook-jw6ur OH damn! You got him good....took you 2 years but none the less epic burn! "Like i care" i bet thats gonna catch on. Its so fresh, not childish or dated at all!

    • @demonhunter9074
      @demonhunter9074 3 роки тому +3

      Tom Cook the world doesn’t Involve around you or your care level that’s why no one shares their thoughts and opinions with you

    • @kevintcp370
      @kevintcp370 3 роки тому +7

      So Batman is a goth?

    • @ironforged2329
      @ironforged2329 3 роки тому +7

      @@kevintcp370 yeah, he also lives in Gotham City

  • @shaqman5335
    @shaqman5335 7 років тому +864

    wait so gothic is just dark romance

    • @kitaniwolfus7011
      @kitaniwolfus7011 7 років тому +22

      GeoLancer also got music is not limited to one genre

    • @nyxshadowhawk
      @nyxshadowhawk 6 років тому +31

      I think this video just established that the things these terms refer to are connected by a series of tangents. Does the distinction between adjectives really matter that much, if they once meant one thing and then come to mean another? (this is coming from a person who may or may not be considered Goth)

    • @cassiecooper7112
      @cassiecooper7112 6 років тому +47

      My understanding of what goth is is that you find beauty in the darker things in life, like see death as not the end of your life but the next adventure you haven't gone on yet!

    • @Tangers3345
      @Tangers3345 6 років тому +43

      Romanticism in the sense of the literary movement, not makin' love.

    • @themiller3940
      @themiller3940 5 років тому

      Not for me :')

  • @avinavar4818
    @avinavar4818 6 років тому +16

    This was a very beautiful animation, thank you for showcasing the art history and connection of the many art movements named "Gothic" though time! I'm currently at the end of my Upper Div. Gothic Architecture class and I'm sure this video would've prevented a lot of confusion from students who'd joined the class thinking that the portrayal of Gothic churches in literature was what the architects had in mind! I would like to also say that historians also refer to the Dark Ages as "Dark" because of the lack of written historical information and records from the time, making it hard to get solid images of how life was like, thus it being "dark"! Nothing to do with the cathedrals; their whole goal was to install as many stained glass windows as possible to make everything light and "heavenly"!

  • @budrothefox3666
    @budrothefox3666 2 роки тому +6

    The animation reminds me of Genndy Tartakovsky! Well done!
    "Finding beauty in darkness." Definitely describes the entire idea well.

  • @Pwnedgamer94
    @Pwnedgamer94 6 років тому +607

    So you could describe goths as someone who is an outsider, with art that is simplistic, yet beautiful, and embrace darkness as opposed to hiding it away

    • @mirashadowdance
      @mirashadowdance 6 років тому +31

      Pwnedgamer94 modern Goth is more about post punk music such as some of the listed bands. The band members popularized dark. Clothing and make up to match the gloomy tunes.

    • @thomasbrady3827
      @thomasbrady3827 4 роки тому +11

      The old goths could be described as elite cavalry men

    • @oonooooooooo
      @oonooooooooo 3 роки тому +14

      i wouldn’t describe the art as “simplistic”

    • @beaniemartini5835
      @beaniemartini5835 3 роки тому

      I’m gonna say you’re a goth lol

    • @FuzzyDereck
      @FuzzyDereck 2 роки тому +4

      @@oonooooooooo I agree. That’s the only thing I take issue with about this video. I think the narrator should’ve re-used the word “ornate.” That’s a much more fitting adjective.

  • @dungcheeseMORK999
    @dungcheeseMORK999 6 років тому +39

    Finally, someone who explained the history and the connection between the two groups (the Goths and Gothic subculture)!

  • @Scarshadow666
    @Scarshadow666 4 роки тому +16

    I can see some future subgenres of Gothic expression continuing to connect to the past (such as ancient Norse and ancient Germanic culture), and even branching out incorporate other cultures as well, since the nature of a subculture is to evolve over time as new generations express their own version of being Gothic.

  • @CYON4D
    @CYON4D 4 роки тому +1

    Congrats to who ever did the visuals and animations. They simply look amazing.

  • @Elias6233
    @Elias6233 7 років тому +1634

    Really great video, barbaric culture really amazes me. History classes rarely go deep into their civilization and mostly show them from the Romans' point of view.

    • @manospondylus4896
      @manospondylus4896 7 років тому +124

      Elias6233 mostly because almost all of our sources about them come from the Romans and Greeks, since the "barbarians" themselves didn't write about their history.

    • @kehr2019
      @kehr2019 7 років тому +4

      The romans had an empire the goths were just tribes but history doesn't tell is that the romans made it all the way to the river Elbe river so at some point they conquered most of Germany

    • @suleymanthemad1140
      @suleymanthemad1140 7 років тому +28

      16patie Actually many pagan traditions and rituals were saved and transformed into Christian holidays. At least where I come from.

    • @thehh5118
      @thehh5118 7 років тому

      Elias6233 yes! Thank you, I also agree. There's so much more we can learn about different civilisations, I'd take that course! Haha 😄

    • @charliecastillo2011
      @charliecastillo2011 7 років тому +23

      Elias6233 Muslim scholars in Spain (during the Dark Ages) also paved the way for the Renaissance when they preserved and translated Ancient Greek and Roman knowledge. Muslim scholars even gave the West its numerical system of 0 to 10.

  • @chriswaldrip6273
    @chriswaldrip6273 7 років тому +136

    Great video. My only comment is that while The Cure is more well known, they should swap places with Siouxsie and the Banshees in the animation. The Cure came well after Siouxsie, with Robert Smith of The Cure even playing for The Banshees!

    • @CowieThomas1997
      @CowieThomas1997 4 роки тому

      Siouxsie is a Germanic name too.

    • @katrinac5522
      @katrinac5522 4 роки тому +8

      C T actually, the name was taken from the Indigenous American Sioux tribe

    • @katrinac5522
      @katrinac5522 4 роки тому +2

      AJtheory yeah, and that show’s title came from the Sioux tribe

  • @brianmay3852
    @brianmay3852 6 років тому +1

    a very important history lesson that many seems to forget to share. thanks!

  • @rajnirani7772
    @rajnirani7772 2 роки тому +5

    There can't be a better brief history of Goths than this.

  • @amynurss1375
    @amynurss1375 6 років тому +196

    Sisters of Mercy still rule.

  • @mizukisora7735
    @mizukisora7735 7 років тому +27

    I feel like this video was a great summary of what I've cumulatively learned this school year from German class, English class, and my gothic friend's lifestyle. IT ALL COMES TOGETHER NOW.

  • @sdawg310
    @sdawg310 4 роки тому +134

    Cybergoth, Gothibility, Gothic Metal, and Steampunk have very little relation with the Goth Subculture, all of those are kind of their own thing.

    • @sdawg310
      @sdawg310 3 роки тому +21

      @Malum they use the term 'goth' as a synonym for dark or spooky and not as a way of saying it has anything to do with the goth subculture. This video does a pretty good job explaining how many of the things which fall under the label of goth barely have anything to do with one another.

    • @alpertroncp2198
      @alpertroncp2198 3 роки тому +1

      Malum You're not wrong...

    • @edwardsdistress5599
      @edwardsdistress5599 3 роки тому +20

      @Malum slapping the term "goth" on random fashion styles/subcultures that didn't derive from or have anything in common with goth doesn't make them goth. I'd go as far to say that its rather insulting to the background/histories of the subcultures in question. Cyber is industrial/rave, Gothic metal is death-doom and Gothabilly is influenced at best. Steampunk is indeed a stretch because it's Victorian science fiction.
      That being said, if they were going to name sub-genres, they should have started with darkwave, ethereal wave, or at least its counterparts, like deathrock and coldwave.

    • @j0an-07-arc6
      @j0an-07-arc6 3 роки тому +4

      You ain’t goth If you don’t listen to post punk

    • @schonlingg.wunderbar2985
      @schonlingg.wunderbar2985 2 роки тому +15

      The good old times, when goth was about sacking cities and not about keeping gates... Traditionalism is bad and you should feel bad. This is even more true for punk-related traditionalism.

  • @KaritKtana
    @KaritKtana 5 років тому

    What a great video!! And the art ❤❤❤! I want each design and painting to stay on screen long enough to examine it thoroughly!

  • @goldenduck3931
    @goldenduck3931 7 років тому +1393

    Next: A brief history of hipsters

    • @LughSummerson
      @LughSummerson 7 років тому +37

      I could dig that, daddy-o.

    • @lalaithan
      @lalaithan 7 років тому +27

      Brief meaning society one day realizes how annoying they are, stuffs them in a box, and leaves them there to out hip each other to death.

    • @eg6370
      @eg6370 6 років тому

      V. Erin hahahahahahahahaha

    • @twofish4433
      @twofish4433 6 років тому +2

      Wait no pls

    • @fivemeomedia
      @fivemeomedia 6 років тому +22

      interesting fact: hipster comes from the word hip which meant to be high on opioids usually associated with jazz musicians and their fans who would smoke the stuff all the time so they called them hipsters

  • @theonlyjamiebourgeois9703
    @theonlyjamiebourgeois9703 6 років тому +59

    Bauhaus personifies early gothic music to me. Happy to see them mentioned.

  • @michaelpelegrino7936
    @michaelpelegrino7936 5 років тому +1

    I always love how the animations here made us understand better.

  • @mj2068
    @mj2068 4 роки тому +4

    finding beauty in darkness. this sentence is so inspiring.

  • @shadow27b
    @shadow27b 6 років тому +181

    Small beef with the timeline: Siouxsie & the Banshees pre-date Bauhaus, and formed concurrently with The Cure, and Joy Division.
    Nick Kent (in NME IIRC), used Goth to first describe Siouxsie (in comparison to The Doors). While she rightly hates being pigeonholed she was the front-runner of the genre, not a later edition or also ran.

    • @Skiamakhos
      @Skiamakhos 6 років тому +20

      She's been many things - punk, goth pioneer, and later post-punk experimentalist. I think she knows her main bread & butter fanbase is goth, but she's always tried to do new things, be inventive & original.

    • @j0an-07-arc6
      @j0an-07-arc6 3 роки тому +1

      Joy division founded the grown works for post punk

    • @ramawa
      @ramawa 2 роки тому +4

      Both Joy Division and the Cure have said that Siouxsie and the Banshees were a huge influence,, You can find the quotes on Wikipedia.

  • @faolair3320
    @faolair3320 7 років тому +713

    Although I am not part of it I adore the goth scene. Their style and the music is really cool and I always kind of liked it.

    • @Cavs191
      @Cavs191 7 років тому +13

      Faolair Leloup is this video just a rip off of pitchforks last video? That was a vid about the history of goths too. But this goth has very little to do with modernitys goth fashion

    • @agatlingpea2232
      @agatlingpea2232 7 років тому +1

      Faolair Leloup good for you

    • @JRG333
      @JRG333 7 років тому +3

      Faolair Leloup then why are you afraid to partake in being a goth?

    • @PhonciblePBonehimself
      @PhonciblePBonehimself 7 років тому +19

      Faolair Leloup come to the dark side ! We have cookies 👻

    • @gnarthdarkanen7464
      @gnarthdarkanen7464 7 років тому +14

      And OUR girl scout cookies ARE made of real girl scouts! :o)

  • @nanodiaz2073
    @nanodiaz2073 3 роки тому +1

    Beatifull BEATIFULL video man, this one and the Spartacus video are my favourites in the entire UA-cam, exelent work.

  • @tetsuoshima2314
    @tetsuoshima2314 2 роки тому +1

    Man, that club scene brings back memories, especially the guy punching the air, so true.

  • @thedarkestowl4224
    @thedarkestowl4224 6 років тому +15

    As a fan of history, gothic rock and steampunk, I found this pretty interesting. Thanks!

  • @Grizzlox
    @Grizzlox 7 років тому +73

    I love it when I click a UA-cam video and actually learn something.

  • @TheSiberion
    @TheSiberion 3 роки тому

    this was very succinctly well illustrated. Nicely done!

  • @chescie_
    @chescie_ 4 роки тому +20

    I love how this dissected the word Goth, cuz it’s so broad.

  • @MetroDerg
    @MetroDerg 7 років тому +29

    probably the first video on UA-cam I've watched within the past year that will genuinely help me in life

    • @TheBasjenator
      @TheBasjenator 7 років тому +16

      What the fuck kind of life do you have that this is useful.

    • @HighDeafRadio
      @HighDeafRadio 7 років тому +1

      That's exactly what I was thinking TheBasjenator. Also what are you watching on UA-cam then? If it's purely videos that don't teach you anything at all I can only imagine you that you watch exclusively meme or music videos but the if the history of the goth culture is so useful in your daily life then why are you watching memes and pop videos?
      So many questions O.o

    • @LughSummerson
      @LughSummerson 7 років тому +5

      Obviously a steampunk barbarian time traveller ghost.

    • @mymyrrah
      @mymyrrah 7 років тому +2

      Ice Zex Memes helped me.

    • @MetroDerg
      @MetroDerg 7 років тому +1

      Blockman Zan ty

  • @zemelosv4941
    @zemelosv4941 7 років тому +158

    Siouxsie and the Banshees didn't get enough credit. They were such an influential band and they were also formed in 1976, just like The Cure and Joy division... so not mentioning them and just listing them as "one of the similar bands that was described as gothic rock" in 4:22 is so damn disrespectful in my opinion. Needless to say Siouxsie Sioux was also the main gothic trendsetter as well....

    • @kdoe1305
      @kdoe1305 7 років тому +6

      hibiscus head
      They can't get all OCD on the 1 stage of the entire story. It's just educational anyways.

    • @zemelosv4941
      @zemelosv4941 7 років тому +4

      Lawrence Bottorff
      Well I guess bands avoid the goth label because they find it limiting.. which it is in my opinion. And also Bauhaus out of the three bands that were mentioned happen to be the least diverse and versatile so it kinda makes sense why they didn't seem to mind being branded as goth. On the other hand, Robert Smith of the cure looked and dressed "goth" but that was it, there was nothing goth about their music imo and so is the case with many of their contemporaries, including Siouxsie and the Banshees but they did influence the gothic subculture however.

    • @madamehearse9379
      @madamehearse9379 5 років тому +2

      Chill lol

    • @idil3993
      @idil3993 4 роки тому +1

      narrator couldn’t pronounce it properly that’s the only explanation..

    • @cajejskscaksls2996
      @cajejskscaksls2996 4 роки тому

      hibiscus head omg I love that band so much ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @sonnybrown4758
    @sonnybrown4758 5 років тому +1

    You guys are so damn good at this. I love these videos.

  • @megalopolis2015
    @megalopolis2015 5 років тому

    This was so cool. Thanks for posting.

  • @jessie801000
    @jessie801000 7 років тому +388

    Remember when MTV was good?

    • @ramsierjouster2443
      @ramsierjouster2443 6 років тому +2

      Jtzkb I think he means "M"

    • @miempire9198
      @miempire9198 6 років тому +2

      xErikTheRedx no i was still unborn

    • @GabiN64
      @GabiN64 6 років тому +1

      No.

    • @bobhope9783
      @bobhope9783 6 років тому +1

      xErikTheRedx you're going back to the 80s with that question..unless it's rhetorical lol

    • @youngceo5638
      @youngceo5638 5 років тому

      Not really

  • @obrkenobi1170
    @obrkenobi1170 7 років тому +9

    I gotta say, The animation is absolutely beautiful.

  • @cybercat29
    @cybercat29 5 років тому

    This is very informative. Thank you for creating this video.

  • @Khobotov
    @Khobotov 4 роки тому

    Amazing artwork in your video.

  • @AH-qy6nh
    @AH-qy6nh 6 років тому +3

    This was very well done, thank you! The team behind this should be very proud.

  • @mechanova
    @mechanova 7 років тому +15

    there needs to be an art book of all these great images. idbuy one for sure

  • @harbingersev-oh-wohne
    @harbingersev-oh-wohne 3 роки тому +1

    That was amazing, I'm so glad I watched that

  • @griefschicken8875
    @griefschicken8875 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks to UK. You made a genre of music that I value the most..

  • @theoneonyoutube4925
    @theoneonyoutube4925 7 років тому +232

    Goths don't sweat...
    They sizzle.

  • @pukinbabymiller4290
    @pukinbabymiller4290 7 років тому +63

    My dad was a trad-goth back in the early 1980's and I was raised into the culture. Proud to call myself goth in opposition to today's titles such as scene or emo. Gothic culture has something very wholesome and warming about it.

    • @HighDeafRadio
      @HighDeafRadio 7 років тому +5

      Did he really name you Pukinbaby?

    • @pukinbabymiller4290
      @pukinbabymiller4290 7 років тому +7

      lmao nah. that's just some random alias. how'd you come by your name, high deaf? lmao

    • @El-Silver
      @El-Silver 5 років тому

      @@pukinbabymiller4290 so .... Lets go conquere hispania

    • @jackieeem1590
      @jackieeem1590 5 років тому +1

      I would like to know more, since I am also a Goth. But not raised in any such environment.

    • @Floral_Green
      @Floral_Green 5 років тому +6

      jackieee m
      Step 1: Be born in Northern Europe in the early Medieval Period
      Step 2: ???
      Step 3: Profit

  • @pryingeyes1551
    @pryingeyes1551 9 місяців тому +3

    Speaking of The Doors' influence, they were actually the first band to be called "gothic rock" in a review in 1967. Some of their songs, like Strange Days, The Crystal Ship, and The End would not sound out of place from a gothic band in the '80s.

  • @melindasimon3027
    @melindasimon3027 5 років тому

    Thank you for this informative overview

  • @KanaiIle
    @KanaiIle 7 років тому +513

    Ah. So it was Walpole. 3:33

    • @juliahenriques210
      @juliahenriques210 7 років тому +48

      Sure it was. As always.

    • @homerisLT
      @homerisLT 7 років тому +67

      Extra Credits :)

    • @pez4
      @pez4 7 років тому +59

      It's always Walpole

    • @soldierside365
      @soldierside365 7 років тому +19

      Angelica Ichticola bloody Walpole..

    • @bobbyferg9173
      @bobbyferg9173 7 років тому +14

      When the profile picture matches the comment.
      Well kinda

  • @lancelovecraft5913
    @lancelovecraft5913 7 років тому +60

    No mention of Siouxsie Sioux? it was her maiden voyage that started the goth scene in the 70s! Why do people fail to understand this

    • @jebes909090
      @jebes909090 6 років тому +10

      because no one actually cares about goths.

    • @TheDisney1901
      @TheDisney1901 5 років тому +2

      Actually, look at 4:22.
      -S.

  • @myliege8197
    @myliege8197 2 роки тому

    I' ve seen a lot of Ted-Ed videos, but this one is the most interesting to me.

  • @tsmeman63
    @tsmeman63 2 роки тому

    Thank you for this video! Well explained! 👍🏻

  • @aayushbhandari4387
    @aayushbhandari4387 7 років тому +962

    I'm strangely attracted to the goth

    • @fandyus4125
      @fandyus4125 7 років тому +20

      The male or female one XD? Lol.

    • @ComixLuvr184
      @ComixLuvr184 7 років тому +38

      Kitties McTitties That was probably Siouxsie Sioux. Look her up.

    • @agatlingpea2232
      @agatlingpea2232 7 років тому

      Kitties McTitties _..

    • @deacon6453
      @deacon6453 7 років тому +26

      bearskin, helmets, leather, scent of bear fat, and black hair, yeah no

    • @danieldutoit5847
      @danieldutoit5847 7 років тому +9

      Kitties McTitties aren't we all

  • @XatolosWired
    @XatolosWired 7 років тому +188

    I'm surprised this video never mentioned Siouxsie Sioux, singer from Siouxsie and the Banshee's. They are one of the first major goth bands (started in 1976).
    It's also who I'm guessing the opening goth woman is in this video (which makes it even more strange, not even in the "family tree" shown near the end.)
    This is Siouxsie Sioux (in the 80's)
    img02.deviantart.net/256c/i/2012/105/a/9/siouxsie_sioux__the_painted_bird_1_by_darkasterial_vision-d4wb58j.jpg

    • @kdoe1305
      @kdoe1305 7 років тому

      Xatolos Wired
      Definitely like the band.

    • @gusstavv
      @gusstavv 7 років тому +4

      Yeah I was wondering the same, why didn't they mention Siouxsie?

    • @friday13thirteen
      @friday13thirteen 7 років тому +23

      They were talking more about the etymology/evolution of the word "goth," not necessarily about the actual goth subculture and music scene. I agree she could have gotten a mention, but this video isn't really focused on individuals, more the overall idea of what "gothic" is.

    • @gregasmic
      @gregasmic 7 років тому +23

      I agree with fridaythe13thirteen , but if you look at 4:23 , Siouxsie and the Banshees is right there at the "family tree"

    • @XatolosWired
      @XatolosWired 7 років тому +5

      Greg Runtunuwu I didn't see the name there. Thank you for pointing it out. Without seeing that there, it seemed like they used a likeness but then never made any mention of the likeness, seems it was I just missed the reference.

  • @Pers0n97
    @Pers0n97 2 роки тому

    That was way more interesting than I thought it would. Thanks!

  • @nicolascevallos2244
    @nicolascevallos2244 3 роки тому

    well put together, good job!

  • @simergoth
    @simergoth 7 років тому +4

    Beautiful. Thank you very much.

  • @thehh5118
    @thehh5118 7 років тому +36

    Anyone who plays Age of Empires would know how OP the Goths civilisation is... 😅😨

    • @El-Silver
      @El-Silver 5 років тому +1

      Those leather jackets are good for huskarls

    • @Reichthoff
      @Reichthoff 2 роки тому

      Hehe

  • @zodmorality
    @zodmorality 11 місяців тому

    Beautiful description of a story 🙂

  • @Stanly450
    @Stanly450 4 роки тому

    Thanks for this TED!

  • @bobbydowney7169
    @bobbydowney7169 7 років тому +18

    Who knew goths had such a deep and fascinating history.

  • @KerryLuckett
    @KerryLuckett 6 років тому +7

    Very well done! My genre focus in my grad studies was horror and the literary gothic, so my heart is full. ☺️

  • @thehighshow
    @thehighshow 2 роки тому

    Absolutely beautiful storytelling

  • @4thdensity354
    @4thdensity354 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you.
    Very illuminating!!!

  • @kathrinel.6456
    @kathrinel.6456 7 років тому +3

    Beautiful animation!

  • @Thirteenth-cs2cm
    @Thirteenth-cs2cm 11 місяців тому +4

    I'm not a goth myself but I do find it very cool learning about the history and origins of sub-cultures like these :)

  • @zararshaikh3911
    @zararshaikh3911 2 роки тому +1

    Yo Ted Ed thanks for making the education free and man where do you find this beautiful scrpts it really explain things in spectacular beauty

  • @idiotwhomakesmusic1734
    @idiotwhomakesmusic1734 5 років тому +1

    Thank you TED ! Very cool!