Heidenau K60 Scout Tyres- 1 year on. Real Rider Review
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Toni Reviews is a youtube channel dedicated to real rider reviews, from a London born and bred cockney. In this video I look at the Heidenau K60 Scout dual sport enduro tyres and give an honest personal review 1 year into riding them on my modified Triumph Street Twin.
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Heidenau K60 Scout tyres
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Nothing wrong with making your bike look the way you want. You paid for it, so always enjoy it your way. 🤘
Thank you. Yes I love what I’ve done with the bike and enjoy riding it so much more because it. 👍☺️
A fantastic band! They are fitted to my Royal Enfield Interceptor. Do everything as expected. I haven't had any negative experiences so far. Thank you, Heidenau💪🙌🇳🇱🌷
Thanks for sharing. Yes they are a great tyre. I can imagine they look great on the interceptor
Thanks Toni, just stumbled across your channel looking for K60 reviews. Love your content! I think you've sold me on them. I have a Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 & will fit some K60s to it. Cheers & ride safe.
The Enfield Guy glad it was of help. I reckon they will look awesome on the interceptor! Would love to see it. Post a link on here once you’ve had them changed.
A nice honest rider opinion is always appreciated...I was considering these tyres already but was in between minds and you helped me to make my mind up and I decided to get them on my bike so thanks very much! also like the gear you are promoting , the graphics on the t-shirts look amazing and I hope they ship to the Canary islands cause I'm about to place an order. Cheers!
Glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 👍
thanks for the honesty! great review, very soberly presented!
Thank you weathermantom. That’s very kind of you to say. Thanks for the positive words, I’m glad you found it helpful 👍 safe riding and happy adventures
Thanks for the review. I’m about to purchase these for my Ducati scrambler! I love the look and hope I’ll like the feel on the bike.
hi. glad you found this useful. you will intially feel thgere is a riding difference with the noise from the road. You simply need to trust the tyres will do the job, which is a difficult thing to intiially get your head around. As I mentoined they are fantastic in the dry weather, but a little more sketchy in the wet. Safe riding, have fun. Im sure these will look awesome on the bike!
Good review thanks Toni I'm looking to fit these to my Interceptor so I feel safe going down the gravel roads here in Western Australia
Wow Andrew seriously jelous of the mental pic I’m building of your interceptor with the k60s riding in such a beautiful place. I’m glad the video helped. Thanks so much for sharing I really love it when people mention where they’re from. It always amazes me thinking how far and wide people watch these videos so thanks for sharing. Happy adventures 👍😊
Mad max! Love it 👍🏼❤️
Thanks!!
Thanks for the steer to these tyres Tony. Tried them out on my 2019 Street Twin (on road only), here's my initial thoughts: Tough to fit, very stiff walls - use a tyre shop. Both sizes are now tubeless. Good value at £176 for the pair + fitting charge. Front is different pattern from rear (as explained on Heidenau website). Feels weird handling for first 200ml, then feels no different from a standard road tyre in dry (don't know about wet conditions as I don't do rain). Looks the absolute dogs boll...ks, very pleased, thanks again Toni.
That’s great, thanks for sharing that! I’m sure that will help a few people out when deciding on the tyres, so thanks for sharing your views. I agree the tyres make the bike look awesome! Safe riding.
Did you have to change the front fender at all? Ordered a 100/90-18 for the front and the shop said they couldn't fit the wheel back on the axle with the fender on.
Great review! I just bought a second hand T120 where these tires are already fitted. Love the looks, not sure about the performance, so this helps very much, thank you! Getting 8000 miles out of them sounds fantastic! When you ride a Bonnie, it is looks over performance anyway I guess haha.
Hi. Thanks for the kind words. Yep once you get your head around a knobbly tyre on the road and just trust them you’ll be pleasantly surprised . In the wet however take a little more care. 👍
You deserve more subs , lots of effort in your videos :)
Thank You. I do try. Thanks for comments
You beat me too it Chris, it’s an excellent no BS channel which makes a very refreshing change. Deserves way more traffic.
@@johnnybgood7812 thank you that’s really lovely, thanks for the kind words 😊 I really appreciate it thank you 👍
Great reviews! I use Heidenaus on my winter bike for their slush and gravel abilities. Need extra care on cold wet tarmac but the '80s phantoms were no better! Don't know if the modern version has changed.
the heidenaus are still horrendous in the wet. fantastic on a sunny day but feels like your on ice skates in the wet
Almost finished transforming my Kawasaki z650 into a road scrambler and just fitted my scout60's and looking forward to test the handling... and you're absolutely right - stylingwise they look fantastic!!!
Sounds fantastic heidi!
Always a interesting watch 😀
Thank you again Scott 👍
Good review. There's more dirt/gravel logging roads than pavement where I live and the phantoms are not very happy. 50/50s not only look cool but are mad max approved! Excellent. 😁
John Bucholtz where you live sounds amazing! I agree the tyres are probably loving your bike on that terrain!
@@ToniReviews was actually referring to your bike! I'm looking for 60/40s or 50/50s for my Interceptor.
@@sscbkr48 There is also the regular k60 (non scout) version. That's a bit more 50/50 (scout is more 70 road 30 off-road). They are also releasing the k60 Ranger soon those will be 30% road 70%offroad!) So much k60 Choice!
Loving the reviews! Looking to run k60s on a 2020 t100, 110/80 18 on the stock front rim. Have you had any problems with clearance to the front fender/bracket at high speeds? Am trying to establish whether or not to grind down the fender mount bolts and use flat heads for the bracket onto the forks. Many thanks!
Hi Luke. Many thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Sounds like a lovely bike you have there too. Having had 3 sets of these tyres now I’ve never had a problem with clearance and haven’t had to shave anything down to fit them. I’m on the 2017 street twin 👍
Thanks Toni I’ put same tires in my bmw r80 🙏👍🏻👍🏻
brill.. let me know how you get on. I find them great on dry days, but i ride with a little extra caution on wetter days. Would love to know how you get on and what your opinion is. take care, ride safe
Good honest review. It's between the K60s, or Metzeler Tourances or Pirelli MT60s for my Bonneville I think. This is the second bike I've bought with Phantoms on - hate them. I love the knobbly aesthetic 😁
DansDadDave totally agree with you.
I think you'll have the same lug/rubber tear issue. Your bikes wet weight is almost as much as my ADV liter bike, and I destroyed the rear tire in just over 3000 miles. Too much road driving in the spring while the trails were closed for mud season, with too much weight. Excellent in the dirt, tho.
Very happy with the MT60s on my Himalayan.. don't have anything yet but looking for something similar for my Interceptor.
Hi Toni,
Just found your channel. Love what you're doing! ** New Subscriber ** Thanks for your awesome content!
I'm also keen to get a Street Twin. Your bike looks cool, have you "black painted" the silver plastic dial surround and the headlight surround? If so, could you please make a video about how you customised your bike in this way? All the best.
Mike Franklin hi. Yes I blacked out most of the silver bits on the bike where I could. It was pretty simple (with the help of my dad) who has great knowledge of paint and prep. I will do a video on this, at the time I just didn’t have the time to film and do the work but I could do a post job instruction maybe with a few overlays.
@@ToniReviews That would be amazing! Thanks Toni, you're a champ!
@@mikefranklin1714 no probs. thanks for watching
Do you have an alternative tire? The Dunlop Trailmax look badass but they don't make it in my OEM sizes. For the K60s, they JUST started making OEM sizes for my 2018 Bonneville T120, I'm thinking about picking up a pair. I ride light-duty offroad anywhere from a couple miles to a couple dozen miles on forest roads to get to trailheads, where I park, and backpack out for 1 or more nights. I've also offroaded in Moab and wanted more confidence.
great news
ok, so last week I did put on the Heidenau Scouts. I must say that it was your review that swayed me a little bit more towards trying them out. The tyres behave exactly how you described they would behave on the road. So, here are my thoughts on the tyres (K60 Scout, 110/80-19 & 130/80-17, the latter size comes without the infamous middle strip which messes with grip). Fitted on a BMW F650 Funduro (1994): the tyres are true 50/50. the handling takes some getting used to, at least in the beginning as there is an obvious kind of wobble, but it is predictable, and after a couple of days riding, it almost disappears. The bike gives you a sense of instability, like when you try skiing for the first time, but that's for a day or two. the weird part is that you feel that the bike tends to lean every now and then, but this goes away once you break them in after a day or two. which brings me to cornering. my bike is not a performance bike and I cannot lean it to scrape my knee, but turning is amazing on these tyres. you feel like the bike sticks to the tarmac and holds lines very very well. I tried them out on roundabouts and was left amazed. but i'm not some super experienced rider (only been riding for a year, and this is my first bike ever -I'm 44 btw :) ). The day i fitted the tyres it was pouring with rain and I had only put on the rear tyre, but it held its ground perfectly. I tried the pair on dirt just the other day, took it like a breeze. i don't do a lot of off-roading, and when I do, it's mostly mild dirt with planted rocks and some loose gravel (I avoid mud puddles and mud altogether). When the dirt road started to include only loose gravel and pebble I did have the feeling that the grip was still there, but I chickened out and turned around. Noise on the road: yes, a noticeable humming starts to kick in after 90km/h (60mph), but you covered that very welll in your review so I knew exclty wha to expect. Kudos! Overall, I think it is a great tyre and now that I know what to expect of it, I may be sticking onto them for the next time I change tyres. Hopefully that will not be any time soon. Thank you!
Hi weathermantom. Many thanks for your own detailed review. I’m sure this will help out anyone also thinking about whether or not to go for the heidenaus, to hear yet another real persons experience. I’m so glad you found the review to be helpful and it’s what you expected. I absolutely love these tyres especially in the dry. I throw my bike around with no concern for grip as I know they are there and doing their job. The wet…. I’m a little less confident as I have felt the odd squiggle here n there. Thank you Tom for your very detailed account, for sharing and for your feedback and support… really fab thanks 👍😊
@@ToniReviews thank you ;)
love those tyres and they would great on my T100 Black, but living in Spain, I think I need more of a sticky road tyre. But love that look. How do they handle on corners and low speed corners around town. Did you stick to the same sizes as the OEM Phantoms?
Hi. I love these tyres in the dry! They are an amazing tyre on hot days on tarmac. I absolutely love them for that. I took the bike to Spain last year up into the mountains and I couldn’t fault the tyres at low speed or high speed they handle great. Obviously when you first ride a knobbly tyre you have to get your head around the fact that they will stick... but that’s all in the head as they do. And be prepared for some extra vibration over a standard road tyre. The thing I don’t like is the tyres in the wet. Not good at all. I had to change sizes to fit my rims.
I’ve got 10/80/18 front which was a slight difference from the original. I read a few articles around tyre profiles which said you could swap out one size on the width in relation to the profile
. So my original was 100/90/18 and I swapped it out for 100/80/18. There’s various debates online whether or not you should do this. I contacted Heidenau supplier in the uk and they also recommended this swap as the nearest size, so it’s really down to personal choice. I’ve heard of changing up by one size as I have but not any larger, but check out some more online forums or maybe a designated UA-cam video based on swapping out tyre sizes, just to get more of a rounded opinion on the subject. Like I said I’ve changed the profile as per the above, and I’ve ridden 2 sets of heidenaus 14k miles. Hope this helps
Great rig ^^ I'm thinking about the same thing for my iron 883. Lots of criticism :D
Wastelander thanks x you mean your thinking of the heidenaus for your bike? If so they’re great in the dry but not so great in the wet.
@@ToniReviews Good to hear, thanks.
Thanks for the great review! I'm curious, what sizes do you use? 110/80 18 front, 150/70 17 rear? I have a 2020 T120 and think 110 front, 150 rear are the correct sizes, but not sure. Do you know if it is possible to fit a 170 on the rear of the T120? Also, they make a cold climate version for the 150s, which is suppose to help in the wet conditions. However, if the slippage is happening to the front tire like you say then having a stickier rear tire won't help much, right? Thanks again!
Hi rob. I’ve got 10/80/18 front which was a slight difference from the original. I read a few articles around tyre profiles which said you could swap out one size on the width in relation to the profile. So my original was 100/90/18 and I swapped it out for 100/80/18. There’s various debates online whether or not you should do this. I contacted Heidenau supplier in the uk and they also recommended this swap as the nearest size, so it’s really down to personal choice. I’ve heard of changing up by one size as I have but not any larger, but check out some more online forums or maybe a designated UA-cam video based on swapping out tyre sizes, just to get more of a rounded opinion on the subject. Like I said I’ve changed the profile as per the above, and I’ve ridden 2 sets of heidenaus 14k miles. Yes the tyres are horrible in the wet, and as mentioned this was front and rear.... so I would imagine they need to also look at the front compound to match that or the rear to make a difference. Hope this helps. Ride safe and enjoy that T120!
@@ToniReviews thank you very much!
Toni, a few follow-up questions, if you don't mind: (1) Did you have to raise your front fender to accommodate the new knobby tread? (2) How do the tires handle at high speeds (70+ mph), (3) Do you have any sense from your experience, intuition, taking with others, that the 100/80 18 would handle better (or be better in any way) as compared to the 110/80 18, or is it just a matter of personal preference? Cheers, - Rob
Hi Toni - love the frank review. No messin' about, just say it as you see it. I am soon to get the ST and want the same look (also looked at TKC 80s). I have had so many tell me I am wrong and that I am compromising safety etc. I don't mind the bit of extra noise and as for cornering, I'm a newbie and you don't buy a ST to ride like a racer. If it rains, I'll probably take the cage. Is it style over substance? Maybe, but so what. We do what makes us happy; I will be fitting them.
Hi the thing with a dual sport tyre is its designed for both on road and off road use, so you shoulnt be compromising safety as it is designed for road use also. The only think you may compromise is duarability as the compund will wear quicker potentially and also as mentioned you will have more road noise. My heidenaus arent great in the rain, but check out some TK60 reviews to see what other riders are sayong about those. All the dual sport tyres though are designed for both on and off road use so dont worry about that. Hope this helps
@@ToniReviews Thanks, Toni - really helpful. Ride safe.
@@haighoward8283 take care and thanks for the feedback
haig howard no problem. Safe riding too
Hey Toni,
I just bought some k60 scouts and was stoked to put them on till the shop told me my front tire doesn’t fit. What size is your tire? It looks like we have a similar set up with the wheels.
Hi. Yes Heidenau do not do an exact fit. I contacted a supplier who recommended a size shift. I think I gave one of the other people ion here a similar answer about swapping out tyre sizes (theres a whole debate on that). I’ve got 10/80/18 front which was a slight difference from the original. I read a few articles around tyre profiles which said you could swap out one size on the width in relation to the profile. So my original was 100/90/18 and I swapped it out for 100/80/18. There’s various debates online whether or not you should do this. I contacted Heidenau supplier in the uk and they also recommended this swap as the nearest size, so it’s really down to personal choice. I’ve heard of changing up by one size as I have but not any larger, but check out some more online forums or maybe a designated UA-cam video based on swapping out tyre sizes, just to get more of a rounded opinion on the subject. Like I said I’ve changed the profile as per the above, and I’ve ridden 2 sets of heidenaus 14k miles.
Thanks for the review. I am thinking of those because I also do not fell fine with the Pirellis on (have my street Twin fro 4 weeks now, ist a 2019 model). I have one question. I just read in another article that there would be a problem with the front fender as the Heidenau is a bit taler and would scratch on the fender. Have you made this experienece and if so do you know the solution? Many many thanks
Hi. Yes I agree the Pirelli’s are not great tyres. As for the heidenau’s. No they do not touch the front fender and I have not made any adjustments, they are completely fine. Unless the dimensions have changed for the 2019 model which I don’t think it has. Mine is the 2017.
@@ToniReviews Thanks ! 🙂
The cracks and tears are usually caused by running rocky/rock shelf/embedded rock trails where a lug catches for traction on a spin and/or warm summer tarmac hard cornering/hard acceleration/hard stopping and/or overloading. The lugs grab and stretch and tear and sometimes fold. That's why it's expected life is 6000 miles on the rear. The tears get worse and become dangerous as you will lose entire lugs and sets of lugs later on. The front scallops from road cornering because the stiff sidewalls keep the tire from deforming like a true road tire and the contact patch in a curve is small and wears fast. That same stiffness makes them good in the dirt and rock, helping to keep from folding a rim. It's a compromise tire that Heidenau designed to overcome the bad dirt reviews previous tires had for 50/50s on dual sports. I will say that on lighter (below 350lbs) motorcycles, they last and perform better, whether dirt/rock/gravel/tarmac. If you have the stock 18" front and 17" rear on your twin, your choices for a nice aggressive knobby looking tire are limited. And, there is a serious max load difference in those sizes, if you are stock size on the twin, the rear, with the wet weight of your bike, leaves about enough for a very petite rider, maybe, alone. This may just be a case of wrong tire for the application.
D e x thanks for commenting. Very interesting and insightful comments. The lugs either catching or under load makes sense and the idea of it becoming progressively worse also makes sense. In terms of the tyres on my bike with me as a rider, I’m 5’5, 9.5 stone. I ride predominantly 95% tarmac and I do tend to push the bike into corners but the tyres feel great in the dry. However in the wet that’s another story. The cracks were only light but like I said I’m a light rider on a fairly lightweight bike and there shouldn’t be too much stress on them. I really enjoyed your comments, definitely she’d some light on the matter and I’m sure people reading this will find it useful. Thank you
You look great in your Motorcycle, ride safe God bless. 🙏🏼😊☀️
Thanks Danilo that’s very kind of you. Safe riding and happy adventures 😊
What average speed you ride? I'm completely failed with front heidenau k60 tire. 3 mm runout cause wobbling. The only way to avoid it, I had had to replace it to the pirelly scorpion rally STR. Less off-road tire, mostly road tire, but works well for me
Hi. I would say I’m a confident rider and so on country roads etc I like to push the bike, but obviously around town it’s a different story. I found the heidenau tyre to be great on hot days, you can really push the tyre. However you can get a front wheel squibble at lower speeds and if you turn the wheel rather than lean the bike at a roundabout for example (rider error). I would say go with what you are comfortable and confident with as ultimately that’s going to relax you and make your riding far more smoother.
Good down to earth neutral reviews.
Thanks John. I do try to be honest and just give it straight as if your asking a friend. Thank you for taking the time to leave such a positive comment, thanks 😊
Toni, Please could you tell me what tyre size you fitted to the front? Looking at the standard sizes already fitted I can match the rear...but not the front. Plus if its a bigger tyre would it affect my insurance. Hope you can help. many thanks. Ste
Hi ste. I’ve got 10/80/18 front which was a slight difference from the original. I read a few articles around tyre profiles which said you could swap out one size on the width in relation to the profile. So my original was 100/90/18 and I swapped it out for 100/80/18. There’s various debates online whether or not you should do this. I contacted Heidenau supplier in the uk and they also recommended this swap as the nearest size, so it’s really down to personal choice. I’ve heard of changing up by one size as I have but not any larger, but check out some more online forums or maybe a designated UA-cam video based on swapping out tyre sizes, just to get more of a rounded opinion on the subject. Like I said I’ve changed the profile as per the above, and I’ve ridden 2 sets of heidenaus 14k miles. Yes the tyres are horrible in the wet, and as mentioned this was front and rear.... so I would imagine they need to also look at the front compound to match that or the rear to make a difference. Hope this helps. Ride safe and enjoy that T120! As for insurance... I couldn’t comment. You know what insurance companies are like.
@@ToniReviews
Hi,
You posted
'I’ve got 10/80/18 front which was a slight difference from the original'
Is this a 110/80/18?
or did you stick to original size.
Thanks for you help. Ste
Is there any way in your future videos you can set the volume of the music that starts off the video to the volume you are speaking ?
I will try my best…👍
the percentage of silicon is what gets you into an expensive winter tire, the use and the way you drive. As we grow older we learn and your opinion is not objective .because you said at the beginning that you took it because you like it visually
Learn to TRUST your contact with the road . It's more important than how it looks.
Friendly , from Santorini Island.
Joseph.
Thanks for your opinions. All reviews on UA-cam and alike will be subjective and I don’t try to hide that fact. Having ridden many tyres on various bikes over the 25 years I’ve been riding part of my reason for choosing the heidenau tyres was styling, but if they didn’t perform I’d have quickly swapped them out for a different compound. In my personal experience these tyres are fantastic in the dry, capable of taking on quite a lot of abuse. As mentioned I think they’re terrible in the wet, but now I’m older I’m more of a fair weather rider. I also mention this in the review. Hope this helps
What bar end mirrors did you put on the street twin?
Hi. These were simply cheap £10 bar end mirrors from ebay. I removed the bar end spacer / internal weight and simply clamp them on the end as its a simpler less invasive way of applying bar end mirrors to the street twin.
For sure you're installed it with tubes?
Hi... you can check the spec here 👍www.heidenautires.com/product/k60-scout/
Good and Honest - Thanks....Knobblies Not for me though. Prefer Avon road tyres.
Id like to see a review on those. send me thew link if you plan on uploading
@@ToniReviews Not a vlogger . On my second set of Avon storm 3d XM. Will probably change to Avon Spirit ST. next time . Anyway stay safe kiddo. Be Lucky.
If I find a decent review will copy you in.
I just f***ing hate the phantoms, mine squared off on the rear really bad by 8000km makes the bike feel weird as heck in the corners, and although my rear has meat to spare at 16000km my front is toast
my first experience on the Phantoms I found them to be sketchy into cornersw. I swapped them out for the Heidenaus almost immediately. This is now my second set. I agtree the Phantoms are aweful
Hello
Im probably going to buy the heidenau for now, but have you heard of the motoz traction gps? They should be a competition for heidenau K60... Maybe you would like to review them?
L L
Hi Heidi. No I’ve not heard of them. I’ll have a look online see what I can find in terms of price and user reviews, and potentially keep these in mind if they are contenders. If you decide to get them please feel free to share your thoughts, would be interested to see how they fair.
Are these tubeless tyres thanks
yes they are Tubeless
Did you just put on the stock tyre size
@@geoffstoutt4693 Hi. On the street twin my original Pirellis on the front were100/90-18. The neatest profile heidenau do to that is 110/80/18. Ive run these for a year and a bitv now. the rear is a straight swap
Hi toni I’ve got the street twin and been looking for some better looking tyres did the front tyre go straight on ok
@@geoffstoutt4693 Hi geoff. yes the tyres went straight on no problem. My dad has a tyre machine in his garage so we fitted them. I wouldnt try manually fitting them as ive heard the walls are very stiff (which doesnt do well if adventure riding and you need to repair with some levers) hence why they have had some negative reviews from people. But if fitted on a tyre machine theyre fine.
I ran K60s on my KLR 685 , will NEVER buy a front K60 ever again. total garbage off road. washes out all the time. the rear was good off road. i ride tarmac and desert riding and got 8000+ miles out of the rear. very stiff walled and great for not getting pinch flats and can run with very low pressure in sand. they are a total pain to change tubes tho being stiff walled. i am running the Motoz GPS tires now.
If I ever get the bike off road i'll be sure to ask what you recommend before I head off!
Try the motoz desert ht, If you ride sand , that's the tire. I just bought a k60 for the road. I do not want to tear up my desert ht on the road. I just changed them for the weekend. FWI, the dam tire has padded's built in. The cool thing is when you spin the rear It pulls you straight. I have used just about all brands out their. There is always a compromise. Thankfully I have the means to change my tires once a week. I feel your plight.
I've lost nobbys on a few tires over the years its definitely lame
Thanks for sharing this 😜
Translation Bubbles = Knobbies
Yep 👍
Fuck! It's some kind difficult to understand english speach
iot certainly is I have no clue what you just said