Very nice setup, Simon! I always enjoy watching other people's techniques and seeing the wonderful equipment they enjoy. I laugh when my friends act astounded at the amount of money I've invested in my espresso things, yet they don't bat an eye at spending thousands on golf clubs or guns, lol. Coffee just happens to be my hobby 🤣. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the comment and sub, Kevin. Glad you enjoyed the video. Yes I enjoy watching this sort of thing too. Just as you say, everyone has their preference for how they like to spend their money, I happen to think Coffee is a great hobby! What's your setup? All the best.
@@SimonDrysdale For a couple of years I have used a ECM Casa V for my morning espresso. I also have a KafaTek Monolith conical (the MC3) for my grinder which I have thoroughly enjoyed. Just over Christmas, I upgraded to a Londinium R24. It is a great machine but it is making me wonder if a grinder with flat burrs might give me a different experience. That is how I stumbled across your channel, I was looking at the Option-O Lagom P64. The KafaTek grinders are great, just a bit difficult to buy. I have been getting lighter and lighter with the roasts I enjoy. Take care.
Great setup. The best of the best. But, I think I saw some channeling during your extraction. In order to get the most out of your setup, I would advise to use a distribution tool (the thing with the needles) during your puck prep. And maybe a tamping mat or stand to protect the wood of your furniture.
@@dmd1344 Hi thank you for your comment. I would definitely agree with you. With that said, I got a used ECM Synchonika at a price I simply could not refuse, haha so I'm grateful!
Thanks for your comment and suggestion, good point. I actually think I did use the WDT tool but just didn't film it. I actually got a new one recently because the one that came with the lagom p64 isn't my favourite.
Thanks for your comment :) Yeah they both sound great. Can’t recommend the grinder enough it’s so much quiteter and more pleasant to hear than most large commercial grinders but the performance is great!
Thank you for your comment, it’s the Calia sideboard from John Lewis. Here’s a link: www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-partners-calia-small-sideboard/dark/p1151369?tmad=c&tmcampid=7&s_share=jlappios_Y29tLmFwcGxlLlVJS2l0LmFjdGl2aXR5LkNvcHlUb1Bhc3RlYm9hcmQ=
use the distribution tool that came with the lagom before tamping. That will help with the channeling. there are clumps inside the puck that is why the water is channeling through.
I know. Thanks for your comment. I did lots of man maths and the budget kept increasing. The way I justified it is that we drink a lot of coffee and bought coffee out a lot, it adds up quickly!
I've noticed they corrected the numbering for the grind size? Saw on the hoffman review that it goes larger number for finer but yours seem different? Am I right?
Thanks for your comment, I’m pretty sure that mine is clockwise for a finer grind, and that is an increasing number, just like Hoffman says. I’ll double check when I’m home to confirm.
I think it's great. If you only drink dark roasts Lagom recommend just getting the standard Stainless steel Burrs rather than the optional SSP version. I have the SSP High uniformity and it works well with espresso from light to dark. I mainly went with these because I really like high texture in my espresso.
The shot was ok, but can’t get over the fact of the placement of that access point which wrong - really low, and it most cases should be at the ceiling!
If it isn’t clear this was filmed in my home kitchen, not a professional setting. The ceilings are 14 feet and I don’t want to deal with the cabling for that. It works just fine.
Thanks for your response! The Lagom p64 is amazing. I would definitely recommend it. It looks like they’re going to be releasing a 98mm burr set soon in case that matters to you. I’m happy with this one though. I use it purely for espresso and it works amazingly well and is very quiet. Retention is almost negligible. I haven’t really bothered with filter although when I did try it was passable. When I was looking at the alternatives there was only really the kafatek products which is almost impossible to get or the niche zero which I really dislike the look of (and also seems pretty difficult to buy these days!) The force tamper is bit of a love hate thing. It is great for consistency but in all honesty, if you’re good or prepared to practice manual tamping it’s probably unnecessary.
@@SimonDrysdale I am glad to hear the Lagom P64 is as good as they say and that the ForceTamper might be more effort than its worth. I like the smaller size Lagom so the 64mm is probably a good size for my use, but thanks for the heads on the 98mm! I had been looking at multiple grinders and the Lagom 64 makes it in the top 3 of my short list. For single dosing I am also considering the Titus Nautilus Grinder made by Frank Durra in Germany instagram.com/titusgrinding/ It uses 98mm blind burrs and is based on the Mahlkoenig EK43 design but reimagined by Frank. But it is kinda pricy and importing it into the USA might be a hassle. If I don't go with single dosing then I like the ECM Titan 64 for looks, it matches my espresso machine perfectly. Other Grinders I considered: Webber EG-1: Too Big Kafatek flat Max: Too hard to buy, and the display is a letdown VeraLab M4: Poor reputation for fit/finish and reliability Niche Zero: Too appliance-like and loud I subscribed to your channel and look forward to updates!
@@postbeam8200 Thanks for the reply and the sub! I really like the work Titus grinder are doing, I didn't look at the nautilus because I like having a portafilter holder but I loved the TITVS original grinder, it's just so expensive, I think at least 3-4 times the cost of the Lagom P64 and for me, as someone who is quite new to all of this I don't think I could justify it. I agree with your assessment of the other grinders, I was put off Webber because I heard that at least with their hand grinder the HG-1 there was quality control issues. Like you say the Kafatek is too hard to buy, I don't really want to wait months and then not even be sure if I will get a slot. I was also really shocked by how much of an afterthought the display was. I also live in the EU importing it would have been too difficult. The Niche zero apart from subjectively not liking the looks and being loud, they're also having problems with massive demand that they can't fulfil. Personally I think the Lagom is the best option, but I mainly went with it because I like the look, I like that it's quiet, it's really low retention and most importantly it was available! Best of luck with whatever you choose :)
It depends where you’re located. I presume you mean the espresso machine and not the grinder. It’s about $5400 US dollars and in the United Kingdom I paid about £3500 or so. Thanks for your comment!
Thanks for your comment! Haha yeah I am fairly tall but it’s also a side table so the surface is also low, ideally it would be a bit higher but maybe I’ll change that in the future.
Very nice video! Would you mind telling what is the g in / g out proportion? What type of shot did you extract at this video, is that a lungo? Asking only because the output volume looks so big
Thanks! It was a double espresso, so 21g of beans in and 40g out. All depends on the measures you use and the liniea mini comes with measures down to as low as 7g if you prefer. Thanks for watching.
Nice video. I just got my Force Tamper today :-) Sadly I got 58.35 and I think a 58.5 would be a better fit, but I think I can just get a new replacement base only (fingers crossed)... Question... Have you messed with the tamping pressure of the force tamper? any tips on that?
Ah that's interesting, the 58.5 is a pretty good size for the standard portafilter baskets but I always thought the .35 would work just as well. I don't mess with the tamping pressure all that much because I wasn't sure how you'd know when you got it back to the default 10kg of force, so I wanted to just leave it at that. With that I know that it's applying that force consistently and then the only variables I need to change are my dose or grind size! Thanks for watching.
I used a 58.5mm tamper base for a while, recently went back to 58.35 and It's a much nicer experience, I don't think it makes a difference drink quality wise.
I know that a hobby it's a hobby and it doesn't have to make sense economicaly, aand that machine is really beautiful... but spending over 6k to drink 3-5 coffees a day seems too much for me.. and trust me I am one that always spends too much on hobbies :D Maybe thats because here in Italy usually you can just walk 2 minutes to a bar and for 1e drink a perfect espresso btw here an espresso is usually much less, around 25g in 25s from 9g of coffee and this is not all envy
Thanks for your comment, I’m uploading a video on the machine soon so you should sub if you’re interested :) Yeah it is excessive but as you say it’s a hobby, here in the UK a coffee is nearly £3 out and my partner uses it so, so it actually will pay for itself quicker than you might think! I presume you’re from Italy? I heard measures are much smaller there. In the Uk almost every coffe you have is 21g but most people don’t drink espresso.
It’s good, helps with consistency but it depends how good you are at tamping. I also bought a size that’s slightly too large so grounds get caught in it.
Hi, I just got a mini and decided to upgrade my current specialita to either Niche Zero or Lagom 64. How do you like the Lagom 64 with your mini? Is it easy to dial in? Did you get the. normal burr or the HU burr?
I think it's a great combination, I was looking at the titan grinders and the monolith as well but they are 2-5x the price of the Lagom p64 and I don't think it's possible that they are 2-5 times as good. I got the SSP high uniformity burrs which work great with the Linea Mini. People had said that the Mini works best with darker roasts but I've had no problem with any type of roast with the grinder. It goes finer than you would ever practically need. I was a complete beginner but after a month or so I find it easy to dial in. Perhaps 1-2 brews after I buy a new bean. The adjustments aren't stepwise so you can make minor adjustments.
Thanks for your detailed reply. I found it’s harder to work with mini paired with specialita than my previous E61 machine. For lighter roasts, the expresso either went too bland or sour on mini, it’s hard to get right. And with darker roasts, it’s easier to get a enjoyable drink. I think it’s just the nature of the roasts not with mini in particular. I’ll go for a HU though it’s twice of price of niche. Practice makes perfect.
😩😤 I have a feeling this is gonna cost me. I’m just really getting into espresso and my 100 Delonghi is very loud and I have the target bodum grinder which is also loud. This whole setup looks really good! EDIT: 🤯 wow that’s all really expensive.
Thanks for your comment. Yeah a lot of espresso machines and grinders are loud but at the end of the day if it makes you espresso that you’re happy with that taste of, that is the main thing. The rest of the cost goes on design and extra features / ease of use. Best of luck with it all.
Linea Mini, P64, Force Tamp and a UniFi access point. Wow, what a setup!
This is wonderful! That grinder sounded beautiful too.
Very nice setup, Simon! I always enjoy watching other people's techniques and seeing the wonderful equipment they enjoy. I laugh when my friends act astounded at the amount of money I've invested in my espresso things, yet they don't bat an eye at spending thousands on golf clubs or guns, lol. Coffee just happens to be my hobby 🤣. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the comment and sub, Kevin. Glad you enjoyed the video. Yes I enjoy watching this sort of thing too. Just as you say, everyone has their preference for how they like to spend their money, I happen to think Coffee is a great hobby! What's your setup? All the best.
@@SimonDrysdale For a couple of years I have used a ECM Casa V for my morning espresso. I also have a KafaTek Monolith conical (the MC3) for my grinder which I have thoroughly enjoyed. Just over Christmas, I upgraded to a Londinium R24. It is a great machine but it is making me wonder if a grinder with flat burrs might give me a different experience. That is how I stumbled across your channel, I was looking at the Option-O Lagom P64. The KafaTek grinders are great, just a bit difficult to buy. I have been getting lighter and lighter with the roasts I enjoy. Take care.
Ultimate goal
Go for it! Hope you enjoyed the video!
Great setup. The best of the best. But, I think I saw some channeling during your extraction. In order to get the most out of your setup, I would advise to use a distribution tool (the thing with the needles) during your puck prep. And maybe a tamping mat or stand to protect the wood of your furniture.
Haha! I saw the channelling too!
This is truly an endgame setup. Congrats, working hard to get my first Breville Dual Boiler. Wish I had the $$$ for a Mini. Great video and content!
Get the Lelit Mara x before the breville
@@dmd1344 Hi thank you for your comment. I would definitely agree with you. With that said, I got a used ECM Synchonika at a price I simply could not refuse, haha so I'm grateful!
That white La Marzocco Linea mini is a thing of absolute beauty. Very nice.
I prefer my Bripe when walking the dog...
I think it's a bit too quick and I've seen channelling. Try to grind a bit finer.
Yep I agree, I'm still getting the hang of dialling things in as I'm quite new to it all, thanks for the suggestion!
@@SimonDrysdale "quite new to it all" has multi thousand dollars setup. sheeeeeeeeeeeesh i need to work where you do my guy
Wish I could be “dialing things in” with $6000 in equipment 😂
stomach sickening right =[
such a good shot
The dream set up
Very high end and beautiful.
You should add a WDT tool before the force tamper. That would be as good as you can get for home espresso.
Thanks for your comment and suggestion, good point. I actually think I did use the WDT tool but just didn't film it. I actually got a new one recently because the one that came with the lagom p64 isn't my favourite.
Very clean. Nice!
Thank you!
So peaceful. Love it.
My Dream Espresso Machine....!
Damn I wish my morning coffee sounded this good.
Thanks for your comment :)
Yeah they both sound great. Can’t recommend the grinder enough it’s so much quiteter and more pleasant to hear than most large commercial grinders but the performance is great!
@@SimonDrysdale Such a grinder costs almost my whole paychech so I'm stuck with a Hario Skerton, still satisfied tho.
Lovely video could you share the sideboard/counter you’re using
Thank you for your comment, it’s the Calia sideboard from John Lewis.
Here’s a link: www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-partners-calia-small-sideboard/dark/p1151369?tmad=c&tmcampid=7&s_share=jlappios_Y29tLmFwcGxlLlVJS2l0LmFjdGl2aXR5LkNvcHlUb1Bhc3RlYm9hcmQ=
@@SimonDrysdale awesome thank you but it doesn’t seem like I could get that 😓 I’m across the pond as they say
The ending made me wonder if this is a Ubiquity product commercial 😂
Ha, purely coincidental I promise! However I do really rate Ubiquiti and would happily be sponsored by them. So if you're reading this Ubiquiti.... 😉
Nice station! The ubiquiti is nice too :)
Thank you!
@@SimonDrysdale the Ubiquiti access points are unbelievable compared with ISP Wi-Fi. I’ve had no down time in almost 2 years now.
use the distribution tool that came with the lagom before tamping. That will help with the channeling. there are clumps inside the puck that is why the water is channeling through.
Thanks for the tip, yeah I normally do I just got too preoccupied when filming the video :)
That's over $10,000 worth of equipment. Wow
I know. Thanks for your comment. I did lots of man maths and the budget kept increasing. The way I justified it is that we drink a lot of coffee and bought coffee out a lot, it adds up quickly!
So tell me... Where does one go once they've achieved perfection?? 🤔😆 Dude this is awesome 👏🏻 So jealous of that grinder!
Thanks for your comment! Ha, there’s always something else! Titus grinding make some grinders that I’d love to try.
I just jealous you having those machines. Mini is too expensive for me.😩
There's lots of different options available on the market, a friend of mine has an entry level espresso machine and it still makes great coffee. :)
I've noticed they corrected the numbering for the grind size? Saw on the hoffman review that it goes larger number for finer but yours seem different? Am I right?
Thanks for your comment, I’m pretty sure that mine is clockwise for a finer grind, and that is an increasing number, just like Hoffman says. I’ll double check when I’m home to confirm.
Really Beautiful setup, You’re very wealthy 😀
You should make the grind more finner
Amazing set up.
The coffee flow seems to be a bit on the fast side
How is this grinder with dark roast im thinking about getting this one or the p100
I think it's great. If you only drink dark roasts Lagom recommend just getting the standard Stainless steel Burrs rather than the optional SSP version. I have the SSP High uniformity and it works well with espresso from light to dark. I mainly went with these because I really like high texture in my espresso.
The shot was ok, but can’t get over the fact of the placement of that access point which wrong - really low, and it most cases should be at the ceiling!
If it isn’t clear this was filmed in my home kitchen, not a professional setting.
The ceilings are 14 feet and I don’t want to deal with the cabling for that. It works just fine.
Really nice setup. I am looking at the Lagom P64 and the force tamper, I am guessing you happy with both? Thanks for posting!
Thanks for your response! The Lagom p64 is amazing. I would definitely recommend it. It looks like they’re going to be releasing a 98mm burr set soon in case that matters to you. I’m happy with this one though. I use it purely for espresso and it works amazingly well and is very quiet. Retention is almost negligible. I haven’t really bothered with filter although when I did try it was passable. When I was looking at the alternatives there was only really the kafatek products which is almost impossible to get or the niche zero which I really dislike the look of (and also seems pretty difficult to buy these days!)
The force tamper is bit of a love hate thing. It is great for consistency but in all honesty, if you’re good or prepared to practice manual tamping it’s probably unnecessary.
@@SimonDrysdale I am glad to hear the Lagom P64 is as good as they say and that the ForceTamper might be more effort than its worth. I like the smaller size Lagom so the 64mm is probably a good size for my use, but thanks for the heads on the 98mm! I had been looking at multiple grinders and the Lagom 64 makes it in the top 3 of my short list. For single dosing I am also considering the Titus Nautilus Grinder made by Frank Durra in Germany instagram.com/titusgrinding/
It uses 98mm blind burrs and is based on the Mahlkoenig EK43 design but reimagined by Frank. But it is kinda pricy and importing it into the USA might be a hassle. If I don't go with single dosing then I like the ECM Titan 64 for looks, it matches my espresso machine perfectly.
Other Grinders I considered:
Webber EG-1: Too Big
Kafatek flat Max: Too hard to buy, and the display is a letdown
VeraLab M4: Poor reputation for fit/finish and reliability
Niche Zero: Too appliance-like and loud
I subscribed to your channel and look forward to updates!
@@postbeam8200 Thanks for the reply and the sub! I really like the work Titus grinder are doing, I didn't look at the nautilus because I like having a portafilter holder but I loved the TITVS original grinder, it's just so expensive, I think at least 3-4 times the cost of the Lagom P64 and for me, as someone who is quite new to all of this I don't think I could justify it.
I agree with your assessment of the other grinders, I was put off Webber because I heard that at least with their hand grinder the HG-1 there was quality control issues. Like you say the Kafatek is too hard to buy, I don't really want to wait months and then not even be sure if I will get a slot. I was also really shocked by how much of an afterthought the display was. I also live in the EU importing it would have been too difficult. The Niche zero apart from subjectively not liking the looks and being loud, they're also having problems with massive demand that they can't fulfil.
Personally I think the Lagom is the best option, but I mainly went with it because I like the look, I like that it's quiet, it's really low retention and most importantly it was available!
Best of luck with whatever you choose :)
How much this machine
It depends where you’re located. I presume you mean the espresso machine and not the grinder. It’s about $5400 US dollars and in the United Kingdom I paid about £3500 or so. Thanks for your comment!
nice workshop, I love my lagom
I cant say for sure this table is too low or you are a giant... back pain incoming :p
take care.
Thanks for your comment! Haha yeah I am fairly tall but it’s also a side table so the surface is also low, ideally it would be a bit higher but maybe I’ll change that in the future.
Very nice video! Would you mind telling what is the g in / g out proportion? What type of shot did you extract at this video, is that a lungo? Asking only because the output volume looks so big
Thanks! It was a double espresso, so 21g of beans in and 40g out. All depends on the measures you use and the liniea mini comes with measures down to as low as 7g if you prefer. Thanks for watching.
Nice video. I just got my Force Tamper today :-) Sadly I got 58.35 and I think a 58.5 would be a better fit, but I think I can just get a new replacement base only (fingers crossed)...
Question... Have you messed with the tamping pressure of the force tamper? any tips on that?
Ah that's interesting, the 58.5 is a pretty good size for the standard portafilter baskets but I always thought the .35 would work just as well. I don't mess with the tamping pressure all that much because I wasn't sure how you'd know when you got it back to the default 10kg of force, so I wanted to just leave it at that. With that I know that it's applying that force consistently and then the only variables I need to change are my dose or grind size! Thanks for watching.
I used a 58.5mm tamper base for a while, recently went back to 58.35 and It's a much nicer experience, I don't think it makes a difference drink quality wise.
Can u tell me the name of the grinder?
Option - o lagom p64
Thank u so much
Espresso in the year 2067
I know that a hobby it's a hobby and it doesn't have to make sense economicaly, aand that machine is really beautiful... but spending over 6k to drink 3-5 coffees a day seems too much for me.. and trust me I am one that always spends too much on hobbies :D
Maybe thats because here in Italy usually you can just walk 2 minutes to a bar and for 1e drink a perfect espresso
btw here an espresso is usually much less, around 25g in 25s from 9g of coffee
and this is not all envy
Thanks for your comment, I’m uploading a video on the machine soon so you should sub if you’re interested :)
Yeah it is excessive but as you say it’s a hobby, here in the UK a coffee is nearly £3 out and my partner uses it so, so it actually will pay for itself quicker than you might think!
I presume you’re from Italy? I heard measures are much smaller there. In the Uk almost every coffe you have is 21g but most people don’t drink espresso.
Choice ubiquity router 🔥
Aye they're sick!
How do you like the force tamper
It’s good, helps with consistency but it depends how good you are at tamping. I also bought a size that’s slightly too large so grounds get caught in it.
Brabo demais
Hi, I just got a mini and decided to upgrade my current specialita to either Niche Zero or Lagom 64. How do you like the Lagom 64 with your mini? Is it easy to dial in? Did you get the. normal burr or the HU burr?
I think it's a great combination, I was looking at the titan grinders and the monolith as well but they are 2-5x the price of the Lagom p64 and I don't think it's possible that they are 2-5 times as good. I got the SSP high uniformity burrs which work great with the Linea Mini. People had said that the Mini works best with darker roasts but I've had no problem with any type of roast with the grinder. It goes finer than you would ever practically need. I was a complete beginner but after a month or so I find it easy to dial in. Perhaps 1-2 brews after I buy a new bean. The adjustments aren't stepwise so you can make minor adjustments.
Thanks for your detailed reply. I found it’s harder to work with mini paired with specialita than my previous E61 machine. For lighter roasts, the expresso either went too bland or sour on mini, it’s hard to get right. And with darker roasts, it’s easier to get a enjoyable drink. I think it’s just the nature of the roasts not with mini in particular. I’ll go for a HU though it’s twice of price of niche. Practice makes perfect.
lmao that sip at the end is not really what I wanted to hear.
Can someone explain me why he is wetting his beens?
To reduce static so the grinned coffee doesn’t stick to other surfaces, here is a short video about it:
ua-cam.com/video/cxQ2mVL8wSc/v-deo.html
what's that spray?
It’s just filtered water.
The idea is that if you give a small spray of water on to the beans it will reduce static when you grind.
👍
Acoustics like school lavatory! Ouch.
I guess most coffee people aren’t audiophiles.
Thanks for watching. I totally agree that the audio is awful. I filmed this when I had just gotten my camera, my newer videos have improved audio!
Seems that the liquid is coming out too fast
Probably was!
you have $$$ good equipment thou
I doubt that first shot was any good. Looked good though.
😩😤 I have a feeling this is gonna cost me. I’m just really getting into espresso and my 100 Delonghi is very loud and I have the target bodum grinder which is also loud. This whole setup looks really good!
EDIT: 🤯 wow that’s all really expensive.
Thanks for your comment. Yeah a lot of espresso machines and grinders are loud but at the end of the day if it makes you espresso that you’re happy with that taste of, that is the main thing. The rest of the cost goes on design and extra features / ease of use. Best of luck with it all.
Do you own a bank or something!!!?
Channeling detected 😅
"new to espresso" with a 1500 dollar grinder lol
Thanks for your comment, it was one of the only single dose grinders that was available in my country during the pandemic!
@@SimonDrysdale its soooo nice! Congratulations on the set up it's beautiful.