Pro Barista with $400 machine vs Beginner with $30,000 machine
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2024
- What matters more - your skill as a barista, or the equipment you use? Today, we’re putting a pro barista & a beginner head to head. They’ll both be using the same blend of coffee, but our amateur is going to be using a state-of-the-art $30,000 commercial machine - while our pro is going to be using a cheap and cheerful $400 home machine.
Sections in this video:
0:00 Intro
1:58 Setup / Calibration
5:30 Service Time
9:06 The Results
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The flaw with this challenge was that coffee art was allowed. It clearly points out which coffee is made my the pro, and leads to bias in judging. A more fair challenge would of seen just straight pours of milk with no art allowed.
Also the pressurized basket was just unfair. You can get a non pressurized basket for the bambino for pretty cheap (not even necessarily a precision basket) and it would have made the coffee so much better. Besides, if you're used to working with high end equipment and are suddenly given a mid end one, you're not going to know how to use it. There are all kinds of tricks like temperature surfing et cetera that just don't apply with higher end machines. So while the barista did end up winning by a tiny margin, in an ideal world she would have most likely crushed the amateur.
@@noob19087 Seriously! Poor Georgia! The pressurized basket is for preground supermarket coffee. Since she was provided with at least a budget grinder capable of grinding for espresso she should've been given a proper single-wall basket. I think she would've destroyed Josh in both categories in that case, even with no latte art.
also did the first two fast delivered espressi kinda gave away they´re from the pro machine doing two at the same time
@@martinfischer4486 Pretty sure a bambino can use a double shot basket.
Latte art is a part of the coffee and it shows baristas passion for their job. It's much appreciated by customers as well, so latte art being allowed is just fine and it really is fair. If I owned a coffee shop, I would require a latte art skills from my employees and, if possible, I would make sure to teach them how to do a latte art.
I had a crappy cappuccino from a $30k slayer machine, went home and made a great one on my Breville. Its definitely experience that matters!!
Had a mediocre latte from a Slayer at a restaurant here in Seattle recently. Food was great but server obviously didn't know how to best use the machine.
@@paulgibbons2370 It makes me sad, because I would have killed to play on their equipment !
Now now you could say a crapuccino
The barista pro is not a bad home unit. I love it and I don’t have a large budget for machines. My local shop went downhill and had zero consistency anymore so I had to buy a machine and learn how to do it myself. Now I can’t find any shops that do a good espresso. Although my first shot was so sour I couldn’t believe it. 😂😂
@@paulgibbons2370 Could have been the beans. At restaurants, they often use stale beans that are months past the roasting date.
Would be interesting to do the same but with the pro brewing on the 2 machines and then judge the difference.
Good idea. I'll have to add that to the list 👌
We sort of know the answer to that one! Would just be interesting to see how much better. I'd guess the PID and boiler would help thermal stability = better flavours (breville can run cold if the flow is too quick) and I guess the commercial grinder is more consistent in particle size and the burr might be better suited for milk based drinks (never tried)
@@caffeinefix2751 i sort of come from the other side: i own a Breville and know how to use it to produce decent shots. Recently got invited by a friend who proudly presented his brand new Rocket Apartemento (roughly 5x the price of a Breville). His shots have been awful, since he had no idea about ratios, grind size and tamping. (and yes, thermal stability on the Breville, dont even get me started ;-)
@@TripleDDDD totally agree! When you know what you're doing, it just trumps equipment instantly! I always get confused why people keep succumbing to their upgraditis when their technique and beans aren't even up to par. Hope you're enjoying the Breville. I'm a big fan of their products
@@caffeinefix2751 oh, yeah i am overall happy with the Breville, solid machine for the price class. Have it already since about 7 years, still running strong.
Wait... How exactly do the judges not know which one is which if one has professional latte art while the other had whatever Josh made?
C'mon, keep this fair or the results are bogus.
Also, Bambino is 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah the bambino is actually a really good machine that comes with a terrible portafilter and basket. I make very decent espresso with a Kinu m47 and the some upgraded baskets. The latte art makes this a little unfair.
@@yamman93have any recommendations for upgraded ports filters? Just got a bambino (new to espresso)
hey now. it was obviously a donkey laid down in a meadow on a warm day
Judges should have been blindfolded. If they needed to judge appearance then show them pics of each afterwards for them to award marks on appearance and allocate that appropriately. But of course it's all just good fun to generate clicks and attention so does it matter that much?
@@cichlisuite2 the "fun" of it comes from the idea that its scientific, so if its not then it defeats the purpose.
While this was entertaining, you really should try the same experiment with an amateur that actually knows how to use their home machine well.
And not unblind the judges with latte art 🤦♂️
@@kaqqao ye latte art should've been prohibited
The Bambino is also a very solid machine. It's not going to pull that different of a shot from the Slayer. The real difference is that it can maybe only do 6-8 shots a day without destroying itself in 6 months while the Slayer can easily do 100 shots a day without issue
@@veganpotterthevegan La Marzocco Strada*
@@pedroivobarbosa3912
Why? Latte art is a great bonus for the presentation of a coffee.
"I've bought and drank plenty of coffee and this wont be different". Lmao that line broke me, the banter is solid
The “cheap” one is still 8x more expensive than mine 🤣
I use a fully modded Gaggia with a Vario.
Having owned both Breville products WITH a naked portafilter, I have to say the combo is fantastic. There are so many extras you can get like 3D portafilter holders and more.
It’s a fast wonderful setup
Would love to see this again with the experienced home barista that’s never used a commercial machine, and maybe add a non-pressurized basket to the breville
Great competition! Well done my Aussie friends! 😊. Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮
I’m by no means a pro, but I’ve been brewing at home for over 20 years. I can’t afford a high end machine, but I’ve learned enough to know that I can get some really good shots with a mediocre machine and a nicely honed set of skills.
Agreed bought Coffee's many times Thinking this tastes like Dirt would much rather mine from a modest machine
May i know whats ur coffee machine?
@@gebaskaras A deloungni Dedica
@@AaronEdwards thanks a lot!
Love this :-3 Spent some years back being a pro barista, but haven't been for work in a while. I became a happy habitual coffee person tho, and have totally used whatever found materials available to still conjure up a decent latte, cappie or pourover, etc.
Loved it, lots of fun, kudos to both baristas. A fairer competition would have been to use the same coffee, same grinder and a non-pressurized portafilter on the Bambino.
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Great video, but agree that giving Georgia the stock pressurized basket was unfair to her. Her technique didn’t even matter as it would all go to waste in the basket anyway. Would like to have seen at least that replaced with a non pressurized basket.
This is the best thing, of all and any genre, I've seen in years.
Thank you so much for this. Hoping for more such content as a new subscriber.
It really sounded like they liked Josh's espresso a lot more, but then they ended up with the same score. That was weird.
yeah, that was really weird.
His espressos were much better, but they both got 6 points? Wtf?
The judges could have easily known her flat white from the latte art, I think that placebo effect had a much bigger role in their decision making even if they don't relasie it, however I don't think they should share the coffee grinder, the challange was meant to compare high-end equipment and low skills to low-end equpmint and high skills, not high-end esspresso machine only.
Didnt Georgia use a Breville grinder on her side (2:47)
Also they probably immediately knew that the first 2 cups of espresso were from the much quicker workhorse machine and grinder so even the espresso taste test wasnt blind aswell
she did use a separate grinder, she pointed out how much slower it was to grind.
Agreed. I don’t think latte art should have been allowed. Simply assess milk texture. The art was a clear giveaway who made the drink.
I loved the humour in this video. 👌
Yes, I'm sure the pattern was a giveaway. But, even without latte art, the finer texture of the milk would probably have given it away. in hindsight, we could probably skip the 'blind' part of the judging next time - just have them sitting out front, like they do for the world barista championship.
Just goes to show it's the experience in the barista, not the price tag of the machine! Such a fun video
This confirms that almost in every field, first step up is the person, then equipment and process.
The fact that she had a pressurized portafilter was basically the equivalent of fighting with one hand tied behind your back.
You just can't do really good espresso with a pressurized portafilter. Can't be done.
Of course you are right. In the competition they used the weakest Bambino configuration currently available.
Bambino ad Bambino Plus is currently sold with both pressurized and non-pressurized baskets, so it would have been fine if they had used a non-pressurised basket. (There are also precision 54mm baskets from IMS already on sale.)
They could also use at least the cheapest grinder suitable for espresso, for example the Eureka Mignon Manuale. I know several people who have a cheaper Breville/Sage espresso machine, but they bought a proper espresso grinder instead of the Breville grinder.
I am sure that with non-pressure basket and with a better grinder, the Brevilel espresso quality would be much closer to the espresso from a professional espresso machine ;)
A fairer comparison could've been between a higher-end consumer-grade espresso machine like the Breville Barista Express or even the Dual Boiler, both of which use non-pressurized portafilters.
The breville grinder works fine for the bambino. It can grind fine enough to choke it, so they just needed to use the unpressurised basket really
I love the pressurizzed portafilters though >.< - I used the Breville Infuser for a long time and the pressurized portafilter made it sooooo much better heehehehee
That was definitely a handicap. They gave her a decent grinder, but the pressurized portafilter is a no-go if you want decent espresso.
I have the Barista Express, and while I can't compare my espresso to what I'd get from a professional barista with a commercial machine, I'm able to make enjoyable espresso. I never even touch the pressurized baskets it came with, only the double non-pressurized. It took me some time and practice to learn how to use it and make good espresso and texture milk, but it works.
I have the Breville machine and makes amazing milk drink, however in the espresso side it can be a bit tricky. And I’ve used La Marzocco also, amazing drinks. I think it’s all adjusting with the type of machine you have so yeah :D
It certainly helps if you actually used the single wall basket instead of the pressurized one. Maybe their machine didn't come with it, but mine certainly did.
If she was using a non pressurized filter basket I bet her espresso score could have been higher
Definitely Joe. I don’t feel that have a pressurised basket was really fair for this competition (it produces a very different drink), but since she won anyway I’ll let it slide 😁.
@@Andrew-wp1bz you know she did win 🥇 so I’ll let it slide as well but I would have been much more interested to see the difference if the basket was non pressurized
I'm impressed that she was able to do such great latte art with that faux crema.
Love this video. Georgia seems cool/professional and Josh is absolutely hilarious! Almost died laughing when he said he was making an NFT :)
This guy is from the marketing team so he must be very creative with his words😂
what is funny about nft joke someone explain me?
I am trying to relearn everything and this helped alot. I only worked on auto for years but missing skills sucks and i hope i can get a job doing coffee again
Wonderful video. I have been breaking my head to make a profesional latte art using a home coffee machine and now I know even a pro cannot make a good latter using a home machine.
Nice, fun video. Would like to see more of such fun videos!
I think the gap between the machines price and quality was really very high. If you guys would for example, used a Barista Pro machine, Maybe that was really made the gap a little smaller, but without a very large increase in price for the cheap machine.
It would still be like 700$ vs 30,000$...
I have the Barista Pro, and would be very interested in seeing such a blind test :)
barista pro and bambino are basically same thing. Just grinder addition and a few settings I believe. For milk froth, its more like the barista express with single hole steam wand.
@@Kr2025 I actually moved away from the barista pro and bought a profitec 500 pro pid quicksteam. It's a different league - but also has down sides.
I want to see this with a spinny pen foamer or the nesspresso frother cylinder. Also, give the pro a pitcher with a wider spout, making it harder for her to make the latte art. Maybe start with the same beans and grind size
But this puts most of the focus on aesthetics which is not where a barista has to be really skilled to be considered a 'pro'
I have gotten to a point with my Bambino Plus + Niche where my coffee at home is better than the average barista I might encounter at the shops I go to here in Austin (and I only go to the good shops). No match for their best baristas, but compared to newbies who still haven't got their milk texturing skills worked out, I'm pretty happy with what I do at home.
Same here! We are really happy with ours and we do appreciate professional work too. But there’s a lot of really bad espresso beverages out there and at least this way we can get consistency (and afford it too 😂)
recs for shops?
In Austin, I can certainly imagine that. Everyone with a septum piercing thinks they’re a barista.
Love the way you guys set this up. Nice.
Imagine this experiment but instead of having a "noob" control an expensive machine, give them a recipe for a manual brewer that they have to follow (maybe something beginner friendly like french press, clever dripper). While that wouldn't allow for espressos in the competition, I think it would be interesting to see if someone who's never touched manual brewing before can get tastier cups than an expert with a cheap machine
Interesting idea, but how would you level the playing field? Give the pro a brewer they've never used and no instructions?
@@ToomanyFrancis maybe even just by grinders different in budget - can a pro brew better with a cheap grinder than an amateur with a high end one
I'm pretty sure that Bambino comes with a pressurized and a non-pressurized basket so I'm not sure why they went with the pressurized basket. And someone else said it in the comments, but I agree that they should have used the same grinder, which is at least as important as than the machine itself.
Bambino only comes with pressurized. You can buy non-pressurized basket separately.
@@Srdeo33 gotcha. Thanks for the correction.
Grinder is the most important part of it ;) and ofcourse a pressurized basket makes no sense
Actually comes with non pressurized too
@@Srdeo33 mine came with double and single wall baskets....
The way Aussie’s say “no” just cracks me up 😂 enjoyed the video :)
"now"
Great video concept. While I think that most people buying the Bambino will probably stick with the dual wall basket and Smart Grinder (or pre-ground), the enthusiasts watching this video would at least shell out for the $10 single wall Breville basket and would more likely pair with a manual grinder.
I would love to see the competition with a single wall basket and something like a JX Pro for the grinder to pair with the Bambino.
The smart grinder works great but the retention is not. There is a mod out there that you can add but it's $80 last time I checked
Manual grinders for espresso are really HARD WORK. Once in a while it's OK, but when you drink 2-3 a day you risk injury 😉
@@4r3cQi This is true for cheaper ceramic grinders (e.g. Porlex -- which never get it fine enough anyway). But the more premium steel burr grinders (e.g. Comandante and 1ZPresso) make quick work of the beans and get a nice fine powder.
@@cs5250 Not knocking the grinder at all. I believe there's a lot of manual grinders being paired with the Bambino line. At least from what I've seen on Reddit and UA-cam. Good chance Bambino brewers aren't making a lot of coffees, therefore smaller bean batches and more dialing. For myself, I get 250g local roasts and spend a couple quick cycles re-dialing with a manual which would be much more difficult with the electric
@@kickstep how much is comandante? Half the price of Niche zero. I'd rather invest in Niche. enjoyment, efficiency and speed will make up the difference
Need more video like this SMCR :) Bloody entertaining...Cheers
Love the honesty and highly entertaining!
These kinds of tests have been performed many times, and it is often very difficult to determine which is better. But there is a far more important issue - On your $300-$400 machine, how many espressos/cappuccinos do you make in a day? I make 2. In a professional setting you might make 100 or more. The issue is not which makes the better product, but which can withstand middle to heavy duty service in a commercial setting. In other words, ARF ARF
But the consideration of comparison in a commercial setting isn’t what these videos are for? But rather to assure home brewers that with a proper technique, their cheap machines can do good enough
@@jesmiscellaneous8938 Of course. However, I contributed the additional comparison note because too many don’t actually think about the bigger picture of why a commercial machine can be $3-$5,000. I thought it a fun detail to add to the mix.
70% success is a good grind (assuming calibrated by a Pro in this test). 15% is the machine and 15% brewing skills - do you agree? Next time allow for the grind to be mixed as well (machine vs skills).
70% is beans dude
@@petervansan1054 they both had same beans :p
Yeah it seems like even experienced baristas might not know how to calibrate/dial in well. That would've made the challenge too hard lol, especially with 10 minutes and that little baby machine.
I am mostly a non-milk drinker. Better machines are more consistent and quicker. That being said the you can make a good coffee from a cheaper machine. Use a Lelit Combi (single boiler) and a Wega Mininova (heat exchanger).
Both make good coffee, but my Wega will make an okay coffee even if there are some issues with the grind. The only bug bear I have is flushing the superheated steam out of the e61 group head if the machine hasn't been used recently.
The Gaggia classic is a good cheap machine, but has some long term durability issues from mixing aluminium and brass boiler parts.
Its definantly experience, but also only up to a certain point. I think you definantly need a decent home machine to be able to get good espresso that could match something you can buy from a coffee shop made by normal baristas (normal meaning people who just work at cafe's as a "job" and aren't really into it).
I like to have seen the lady do this with non pressurised basket, and also allowing her to have a bit more time with the machine. I think she would love the Dual Boiler, and love to see her thoughts with that :)
“Yes and naur”
“Yes and naur, here we gaur”
Josh's answers to questions were the best part of this video
Skills matters... experience matters... that's why we hv experts and amateurs. Nice compe... a skilled person with good tools will always win... ❤
You can still pull some great shots from a $400 machine vs a $30,000 one , sadly can't be said the same with let's say a $50 grinder vs a $5000 one
I wish you'd given the pro an unpressurised basket. Better comparison of skills
This was very fun to watch!
Keep 'em coming!
The cost of the machine affects the speed
The experience of the barista affects the taste
11:51 that face and that reaction hahahaha
I agree skill is extremely important. We know a bad grinder that is incapable of producing a uniform cut will not bring out the flavor notes of a bean. If the machine has limited potential then a great barista can only do so much. That's why the contest was close. You need excellent equipment and a barista capable of extracting all the espresso machine and grinder has to offer.
I'm pretty sure you can get the bottom range Breville for 400buck. Which it is not a cheap machine. Bear in mind a commercial one is more expensive because it is built to last much longer as it will be making lots of coffee per day.
very fun episode. I put myself in the shoe of Josh, He is so fun to watch :}
$700 for home espresso equipment is a premium price point
Nice work Georgia! Skillz!
Would love to see the same but with Gaggia Classic 9bar OPV + VST basket and commandante grinder, whole price of set would be little bit more expensive but the difference in price between 2 machines still be huge
This was a fun video! It seems like the more money you want to spend on a machine, the better your results will be no matter what your skill level. I would like to compete against Josh with my 100 dollar DeLonghi machine though.
I fail to see how the latte art has any impact on the question of equipment quality vs skill - but then again, most people care more about appearance than quality. Ignoring appearances, I’m quite impressed how the equipment enabled an untrained person to produce an okay espresso.
Because latte art just tastes better. On a more serious note, latte art instantly tells you about the quality of the foaming.
Latte art is a way of showing that the milk is a good consistency for the beverage in question
And you need the visual appearance to validate the taste? I mean what’s the purpose of foam quality, consistency, bubble size, temperature, milk sugars broken up and rejoined, … ? Right, it’s taste. So blind eye tasting should be enough given that all of the scientific babble about milk foam actually serves the purpose of improving taste.
@@staenker1983 a properly poured flat white it’s difficult not to have some form of latte art, the basic concept of it is a side effect of a well made coffee. Once you get beyond the simple stage of latte art its all just superficial presentation skill, but the latte art she did was pretty basic
so what are you actually saying? Cause it sounds to me like: “One can not judge the quality of a flat white milk foam without looking at it.”?
11:48 Hahaha Josh thought he is the one getting the trophy.
Stitched up a little with the pressurised portafilter I think haha
Great video all the same
How did they both get 6 for the espresso when you said one of them had a good espresso and a bad milk drink and the other had a bad espresso and a good milk drink..
Bambino can be amazing with a cheap and easy upgrade: replace the stock basket with non-pressurised precision one.
Mine did come with 4 baskets, two of them non pressurized.
That was fun 👍🏼
Great stuff guys!!!
Why the two espresso both scored 6. The different grinders alone would cause a different in score.
The pro Barista flexes her porta filter 🤦♂️
To make such competitions fair: no latte art or the tasting must happen blind. The latte art gave the pro away.
How / where can I get such a cat's pyjamas t from? 🤩
at times when my la spaziale s1 was being decalcified i used a 300 dollar electrolux machine and the shots were quite OK. steam pressure was far inferior though. cappuccino was ok but noticeably better on the LS
I love the cups and saucers. Do you have a link for those?
Me: "oh this dude works in coffee he'll know a thing or two"
The dude: "what's a tamper?"
Me: 😮 oh no
This was great! More like this please!
what a fun video. Thanks
The tall guy is quite the comedian!! I think the girl was crushing on him by the end
You could have at least given he a Breville 920 XEL dual boiler espresso machine-at $1200 it would have been a way better test.
The latte art gave it away, not blind at all imo
Great content! I recommend upgrading the audio to really make this channel POP :D
I've had a cheepie home machine for about 2 months. I'm sure that I've gone through about 5 or 6 pounds of beans now and I'm rapidly getting toward adequate. It's definately experience with a shout out to purchasing really good beans that makes the better drink.
Fun challenge, but the novice definitely had way too much advantage. They should have at least shared the same grinder (which can basically make or break any coffee drink, especially espresso). Along with the pressurised basket and a sub-par steaming wand i’m surprised people are complaining she shouldn’t get points for properly pouring the milk (despite the machine not performing adequately for her).That’s also part of a barista’s skillset, not just for aesthetics but as a distinguishing factor between different coffee drinks depending on the milk pour and ratio.
Thing is, they could easily tell from her latte art that they were tasting her coffee, as they know that a first timer like him will just make a mess. So they may have been biased, even if unconsciously.
It was blind how could she...and he 's the one at a disadvantage since he's never used any kind of professional equipment
@@m.s.g1890 I agree re blind tasting, although honestly I took this more as as a fun game than an actual test of skill. If we had to be picky, it could have been prevented by asking them both to not do ‘art’ but rather give points on thr right foaming and ratio to coffee technique. Fun to watch more than anything :)
@@KingMinosxxvi Yes, but things like grind consistency are imperative to a coffee drink. Even if she is a skilled barista that’s already a massive disadvantage to start with. Plus she was also commenting on how her milk wasnt steaming properly, so even with her level of dexterity it wasn’t great. I agree that it went against the “blind” factor but as I replied earlier, this felt more like a fun activity to watch rather than a highly objective test :)
@@il-ganna Also she seems to be using a pretty good grinder. Also the breville she is using is a pretty good machine and famously has very good steaming. I think all things considered these are about the results one would expect especially in regards to the milk drinks. Does this breville have a pressurised basket in it or has it been swapped out? in the casse it does have a pressurised basket in it then shes done a kind of magic tick ;)
I recon Josh would get a same or even maybe even a better score on the cheaper machine. I also think would be way more interesting seeing two pros one moderate to expensive machines like wega against la marzocco to show diminishing returns. Equipment is nice but experience trups it, video shows that nicely. Lastly I don't think the should do the poor themselves as it makes the blind part of the test pointless as presentation obv gives away who made the shot and biase could become a problem
Could be a typo, but its "diminishing returns" (i like that word) - not being smartass im promise :) . I think most upgrades over 500 euro for coffee machine is about nice experience. Dual boiler for for frothing, steam wand on higher end machines is cold after being used and milk will not stick to it as it gets hot during frothing etc. Skill and experience plays big role.
A decent machine is in some ways a useful signal for the consumer. A place that paid 50k on their equipment is also more likely to spend on Barista training and half-decent beans… (it’s not always guaranteed but the odds are better)
Brilliant!
the guy is really funny, I cracked when he pretended to reach the trophy at the end rofl
A better experiment would be to have the pro use both machines and have the judges rate them out of 10. That way we can see how far you can go with a cheap set up
I would like to see 2 pros with round one on one machine Then, each swapping machines for round 2.
she knows what she's doing.
I love this. I really want to she a professional use and comment in detail on how to do the very best with stock consumer machines. I struggle with mine and I'm new, it's hard to know exactly what I'm doing wrong.
What sort of machine did you get? I got mine in 2020, I drank a lot of shitty coffee to start with, but now I get reasonably consistent enjoyable cups 🙂
@@fattlane1866 Gaggia classic pro. I'm planning all the usual upgrades but I'm not there yet. There are a lot of misses with this machine, I think.
Congrats on the Delano partnership. I use delano coffee in my cafe :)
Hi, just wanted to say that 400$ is not cheap. Thanks, bye.
True 🤣🤣🤣 but is cheap compared to the professional machine
😂😂😂😂
Picopresso is $130 and better than the 400 dollar machine
I think the video was a fun idea but I think it would have been better putting someone who had some kind of knowledge of making espresso drinks on the expensive vs no experience at all.
Georgia seemed to be more experienced! Great video.
Fun & enjoyable video to watch.🙂
Good machine is just as important as your skill.
That being said; it does take some effort to become a good barista, but it takes heck a lot more to be able to casually afford a $30K machine without impacting your finance. Anyone can brush up their espresso making over the weekend or during their daily morning and noon caffeine run as long as they have a $30K machine in their kitchen, but you can't just make extra $30K post-tax during 15mins session here and there. lol
To be fair, you only have to spend around 2.5k on a grinder with good burrs that grinds to weight (and not time) and some 2k on a decent dual boiler with volumetric dosing to have a consistent morning cappuccino.
@@staenker1983 Oh yeah only 4.5k totaly within most peoples price range.
@@staenker1983 point taken but I was merely referencing what was demonstrated in the video.
It would've been more interesting if they had a pro barista make coffee with both setups. Also, if the guy had even gotten an hour of proper training he probably would've won.
If the guy had to dial in his own espresso recipe it would have been a lot worse, and you can't teach proper milk steaming in an hour which has a massive impact on the flavor of milk based espresso drinks. It's not just about the looks of the milk. Anyone can follow an espresso recipe, milk is a different animal.
"Talk to the tamp pretty boy!"
"I don't know what a tamp is..."
Absolute gold
that was brilliant !
Wait a minute, are those guys trying to tell me that 400$ is cheap?
I got a chinese espresso for about 40$, next time do the test again with a real cheap machine 😂
The Bambino is the cheapest pump-driven machine from a well-known name brand you can get on the market. Those sub-$100 espresso machines are probably steam-driven, which don't produce anywhere near the 9 bars of pressure for proper espresso; you're just getting strong coffee. There also also stovetop moka pots, which also don't produce "real" espresso.
@@LuckyDragon289 ok, i understand that but what If i told You that i can make espresso with that garbage? 😂
Of course not coffee shop level but still, even frothy milk.
Also i saw de longhi at 115$ with 15bars, isn't that a fair machine at a fair price?
@@amv8700 There is no good or "fair" espresso machine under $400. They all have shortcomings like temperature stability or pump pressure. Trust me, I had a $100-150 machine for years and thought I was making good espresso, but once I upgraded to a "real" machine for $1000, I realized that what I was drinking before was basically just watered down shit.
Love the concept of this episode but i would like to see other factors changed if there will be another episode like this:
1. For the Pro Barista, use a cheap but non-pressurized machine like the Breville Barista Express or Dual Boiler, not the Bambino. It's unfair to compare espressos from pressurized (very crappy) to non-pressurized.
2. Grinder for both competitors should be the same and uncalibrated for both, so they have time to calibrate and dial in the shot they want.
3. In my honest opinion, you can only call a barista a PRO if he/she has both experienced using cheap as well as expensive machines and use it well. Unlike Georgia who has only experiences high-end machines but not cheap ones.
That way, we can really tell if experience matters over equipments. Which in my opinion does.
Those are all very incorrect opinions.
@@remnant24 this one woke up and chose violence lol, any justification? I think 1 is definitely valid. 2 is a maybe for me. They should definitely have to dial in given that's where all the skill lies. 3 i would argue a 'pro' should have the skillset and knowledge of what produces good espresso to master a shitty machine quite quickly. Not necessarily have to have used one before
@@TheTobynorth nah, vodkainum is right.
1. i think the use of the bambino with the stock accessories is valid for the sake of testing the limitations of equipment vs the limitations of experience/skill, though i do think it would have been nice to let the pro barista use a non-pressurized basket. i'd keep the bambino for this challenge though. the dual boiler is no where near its price range.
2. yeah, they should have to dial in, sure. this video doesn't say they didn't though. if you're talking about calibrating beyond that, no lol.
3. a "pro" is someone whose profession is working as a barista. that's it. i agree that a good pro should understand espresso enough to dial in with different rigs, but we can't be out here gatekeeping peoples' livelihoods.
Definitely do more videos! I love watching any sort of challenge, and especially if it's to do with coffee
It was fun to watch :-)
As a professional barista in America the last 15 years I can tell you, most Aussie customers think themselves to be professional baristas.
Georgia is fiiiiiiine
No cafes in Melbourne could touch my turbo shots made at home. Single origin light/med roast 21g in and extracted in 18sec with an 58g yield. Heaven.
Shocking but the home machines and the new all in ones are fabulous and the coffee tastes the same!