Dude love your content, great way to alchemize all that suffering as a team effort, whilst I believe I get most of the jist I am not ready to invest money yet. I'll keep to the outer orbit for now and maybe occasionally toss in some proof of interest, such as this attentative payment. Keep up the great work, fellow traveler! May spells and wards keep you sane and expressive!
Honestly, I don't think digging is even the right way to enter the cauldron room, like every other "hidden" room in the "side edr" zones, they are entered through some portals, maybe the cauldron room is similar to the lake rooms where its "specialty" is activated only if entering "correctly"
Maybe. I kinda like it. However, there's no room for you to enter through a portal like you would in those cases because the couldron room is full to the top with sand. You need to dig through it or blow it away in order to have room to be in there.
I have been wondering if "summon portal" has a second use when cast at a specific location. Perhaps this is how you get to the cauldron. You can cast it in one location and get EoE, or you can cast it from another specific intended location or with something in your inventory or an active stain or something to go to the cauldron.
@@m4rcyonstation93 yes i was wrong in writing it can be used anywhere and edited for accuracy but I wonder if a second specific location currently deemed insignificant would trigger the spawning of a different portal
The three eyes, 3rd eye, thing also reminds me of "3rd person" perspective. In this way it invokes for me the idea of The Player, or outside information, as you were describing.
the thing i wonder about the cauldron is that its always closed, much like the scales, i wonder if there some objective that needs to be accomplished on a rare seed or some ridiculously difficult challenge to be undertaken that permanently open the cauldron for use, activating whatever alchemical magic it holds for special mixes or sth.
Isn't it generally accepted that nobody has truly earned their red gem amulet? There's probably a way to get an extra orb that hasn't been discovered yet.
I mean,,, Fury published a video of the theory... We here at LST think its a banger theory and love a bit of Fury :D However,,, generally accepted or not, there is not solid evidence either way and we all speculating. So a communitys acceptance based on a content creators theory compared to the Devs actual reasoning and design, means very little in factual basis. Part of my theory is in opposition to that as well, in the 3rd eye speculation, that outside info is a meta statement on knowlage and wisdom or something XD
@@LetsSufferTogether i know this is a month old but- the amulet of yendor was first introduced in a very old roguelike called rogue (the original one) and it had some iterations over the years, all the way to noita. someone said that the amulet in noita is a reference to the one you find in nethack, because in that game, if you don't do the quest for it correctly, or you happen to cheat one in improperly, or even find one in a previous player's body, you instead get a cheap plastic imitation of the real thing and it won't actually end the game. it's entirely possible that the devs know it's impossible to find the 34th orb without cheating, and so they give you the amulet of yendor as a nod to the fact that they know you cheated, and the amulet isn't the real one, it being kind of like a cheater's brand so to speak.
I think the devs are hallucinogenic stuff enjoyers and thus always had the feeling that the solution has something to do with tripping balls. Also, whenever you trip after eating bungus and the visuals start, there are eyes that pop up in the background. I think they look eerily similar to the eye puzzle
You bring up an interesting point as if you look I noticed that the fungel shifts are pretty heavily associated with eyes so maybe if you are high or shift near the eyes it reveals something?
after a godrun the game couldnt kill me so i dig up to get to the parallel world to get me polyd from the boss and i ran into the cauldron room by misstake but here is the fun part normaly everything is gold but this room wasnt strange to me
Its because the game is loaded in by LUA code as you approch places chunk by chunk, the Cauldron chunk by the game engine itself (to help keep its secrets safe)... so you visited it AFTER you turned the world to gold didn't ya :P So the gold effect did not 'hit it' because of the way the gold applys to the world
@@LetsSufferTogether did the same by accident... Firstly, I visited cauldron room before I turned world into gold. After I did I was just digging to the surface to look around and run into the room again on my way up. Room wasnt turned into gold, however everything was market as gold when i put cursor on it. I would guess it behaves like this becouse it is not properly implemented in the game yet.
The fact that there's a giant tablet behind the cauldron has me feelin' sus. Is there some means of making that tablet display something? Maybe if we get the 34 orb ending, the datamined QR code will appear on the tablet after changing our contrast settings? Is the broom-wand going to somehow dust off a message if we place stained [solid] material there first? Maybe we need to shift Sand first before we can even think to mess with the room? I think the darnedest thing about the cauldron room is that we have no idea how one is meant to find it. Rooms like these are placed in EDR typically because you're meant to warp into it via portal. And, usually, mysteries are solved by starting from the beginning. This mystery feels like it never had a beginning in the first place - we only know the middle, and we definitely don't know the end. Also, considering that it may be the Altar of Permanence, I wonder if messing with the Nullification Altar first is necessary. Maybe something lore-related like Snow, Metal Dust, Sand in the three basins would instead create a portal to the cauldron room. Bleh.
The cauldron room is the only chunk that allows pre-placed/generated void liquid to destroy terrain. Otherwise, it just despawns upon chunk load. Shifting [sand] to [void liquid] before visiting the cauldron, and then visiting the cauldron, lets you see this for yourself very well.
Thats possibly because the cauldron room spawns in via the engine (to hide to actual secret) instead of via lua. So the mechanical in spawn law could be a reason. Kinda Occams Razor Engine spawn gonna have quirks compared to shifting lake to void and then being disapointed nothing spawns in XD
I started playing a couple months ago and I'm struck over and over how the game presents very video gamey barriers and limits to the player, that turn out to be temporary or completely fake. In that regard, 34 orbs deliberately being a breach of the realm of the software doesn't feel out of line at all. I have really sticky thoughts brewing about the mysteries I've seen, but I have a long way to go to see the rest in person while it cooks.
I less want to know than enjoy how a secret pot with no other clues gives us massive amounts of free reign to have a massive adventure and discussions on the game iteslf and its meanings, lore and all that business ^^
maybe you could fill it with the new mimicium (after it is out of the beta and on the main branch of course), because there is a big blank slate behind the cauldren, and what is mimicium? a literal blank slate for liquids. it copies any liquid it comes into contact with, but unlike fungal shifting, there doesn't seem to be any of the rainbow particles flying out of the 'transformed' liquid. this means (until it's changed) that mimicium IS a blank slate and instead of erasing and re-writing the identity of a liquid, all you need to do is write
I may upload the streams, however, run is to long for a stand alone YT vid, we talking 30+ hours a run EZ, will have to edit it and even if there is no 'result' at the end, a long NG+28 run still could give us some good moments to make a nice edit'ed vid over ^^
trying to absorb just 10sec of this remarkable theory hurts my tiny smooth brain. mysteries and mechanics like these in the game makes me feel like I need a chemistry degree. Incredible work though! I've been enthralled by this games secrets since OddHeader brought up the eye glyphs.
the cauldron looks like sampo from kalevala so maybe there's a hint to that, if it's alchemical cauldron then reading wiki on philosophers stone formula might give another clue
I belive this to be true, but i think that there are some important things that shoud be mentioned. 1 - i belive that the only thing you can use to trip on for the shift is mistery fungus optained from the sand in the room 2 - we cannot use teleport spells to go in the cauldron, since the teleport spell creates a single pixel of brass, and that would taint the purity of the experiment 3 - is worth investigating if materials tagged with impure can be used for this, or you need a seed without them in the fungal shits 4 - this is my personal belief, but i think the cauldron will offer a way to create the liquids that cannot be created at the moment without the use of mods or random material flasks (such as creepy liquid)
If purity comes into it, how do we account for the moss production in and around the cauldron over time? I respect the mystery fungus production from the sand tho
Possible, but I reject the eyes connection to the cauldron solution because I can :D Much happier thinking on cauldron minus the eyes rarther than see'ing the eyes as a block towards understanding the cauldron
@@malady420 aye, most def, even with my own personal ideas, is great so many people keep suggesting other things as well :) That way people can see the large scope of the challenge to pick there own personal way of looking at it ^^
I wonder why I never see discussion of the evil eye being used in any of these puzzle solve attempts, I mean it is essential to the sun quest, it and tripping balls,
If this is the alchemy equivalent of the end of everything perhaps it has to do with the draught of midas (given the end of everything has an image of the elements of the philosophers stone, and that draught of midas is based on the philosophers stone). Or maybe something to do with bringing the philosophers stone (11 orb sampo) back up. But it probably relies on outside information like you said, doubt any of this is useful
Here's an IDEA, Double, double, Toil and Trouble: Fire burn and cauldron bubble By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes I really hope someone sees this and more importantly that it works!!!
What immediately comes to mind for gaps in your theory is that it doesn't account for which 9 cauldrons you have to skip. Are the void days the same in every NG+ or PW? or is it possible for only some cauldrons to be void? If so, and during a void day there's exactly 20 cauldrons that aren't void, or vice versa, that would be VERY interesting... I also wonder what happens if you use the Leviathan's water-shifting effect. If you shift water to void liquid, then kill the leviathan, does all void liquid disappear? (this is me just spitballing haha)
I think so too! :) Its a base anyway regardless for people to consider and think on even if they don't 'feel' my level of personal excitement for it specificly :P
The stone tablets can be link with it the Cauldron some how? i mean, you throw them in the Hiisi machine, and the thing behind the Cauldron looks like a stone tablet for me 🤔
I honestly really love the "third eye" theory. There is a popular new age idea that creativity and original ideas are actually manifestations of existing concepts of a higher dimension. I can't say if this is written down anywhere in old alchemical documents though. I must ask... You have started playing this game much earlier than me. Since when is it the case that these eyes pop up during trips? Depending on the release date of the eye symbolism and the cauldron puzzle itself, we might be able to more accurately say if these two are connected or not. It would also be amazing if we could work the eye-glyphs puzzle into this theory somehow.
I've never been a fan of 'time and date' theory when looking back as to making connections. My idea is, as long as the puzzle remains unsolved, anything can be re-conned and changed at will. However, while not perfect, we can still draw at least something from it all, just not specificly aware tbh of a lot of time and date things got add'ed without looking it up as I generally try remember the 'whole' to theorise more than I do 'segmented' via time n date
@@LetsSufferTogether Fair enough. It's not like the core theme of the game would shift over time anyway so old additions will likely blend in with new ones.
Very interesting vid, makes me think, the way I see it though is that if the Hiisi intentionally buried the cauldron then the void days might be some sort of extra deterrence to stop the player from using the cauldron on those certain days by breaking it. Maybe its like the Hiisi are hiding something only possible on those days? Another thing I noticed along the lines of the idea of purity is that void liquid appears to be the antithesis of purifying powder which would make it the most impure material in the game, the two recipes for void liquid are toxic sludge, worm blood, and fungus powder, and diamond with chaotic poly and toxic sludge. if we consider diamond to be "pure" and chaotic poly to be impure despite it not being listed as so on wiki, then the first recipe is made from 3 impure things and the second recipe is made with 2 impure and 1 "pure." For purifying powder the recipes are brass and diamond as well as diamond, silver, and worm blood, which also produces smoke alongside the powder, if the metals are considered "pure" then that means the recipes are 2 pure, and 2 pure and 1 impure. Comparing the powder and void, void has 1 recipe that is all impure, purifying powder has 1 recipe that is all pure, void has a recipe that is 2/3 impure and 1/3 pure, purifying powder with 2/3 pure and 1/3 impure albeit with smoke made as side effect. This along side with the cauldron room being shaped like the symbol for philosophers stone which is supposed to be complete purity makes me think that purity will be a large part in solving the secret. Something to try in the future would shifting the void liquid to purifying powder and then replacing the powder with the material to be shifted? Idk, but I do agree that starting off with the least convoluted theory now is the best move.
did you try throwing some spells like end of everything or portal or elemental stones inside/around for good measure? Sounds like something that might connect them together by an obvious thread.
@@LetsSufferTogether True but Hiisi base, ukkoskivi, end of everything, anvil and portals... they all connect really well imo. ig Eyes and cauldron would need some more experimenting.
I hope a secret isn't just in one of the previous updates.. like for a specific patch version or whatever something is enabled, allowing secret secretiness.
This is really interesting and fun to think about, but especially if we make the comparison to the End of Everything spell, it just feels way too obtuse and complicated even for Noita, at least to me. At the end of the day, the End of Everything secret is relatively straight forward, sure, you need to first kick the hands, which is pretty random, but they really stand out with being on the main path and also unique to the one biome. Similarly, the statues in the jungle, the difficulty is in figuring out you need to look for them, but ultimately they also aren't very hidden, and as a clue they are easy to follow as well. Compared to that, the supposed cauldron puzzle sounds like an insane difficulty spike... but maybe the puzzles just got more complex the longer the game was out?
i was thinking that the shift list itself is your outside information so you would have to figure out how to go from the first material and change it into the next on the shift list WITHOUT the shift somehow in the couldron via REAL irl chemesty concepts. I dont really play noita but idk how you could do stuff like turning lava into oil ect. maybe there could be a shift list that would allow for possible combinations or if you could do a few shifts in order to change the shift list materials into possible combinations you would only have to track the changed materials and create possible combinations one at a time while you work through the list. Not sure if you need to have materials shifted in inventory ect either, just a thought.
Two things I can think of is there’s an infinitely producing porridge cauldron fable, and you can turn the sand around the cauldron into fungus, and then after that you could shift the fungus… correct me if I’m wrong, but fungal shifting breaks alchemical reactions, right? So that sand into fungus etc no work anymore… but also, are there any alchemical reactions that persist/are unaffected by fungal shifts, or could the cauldron aka altar of permanence be a place where you could still perform alchemical reactions even though some or all of the components have been shifted maybe?
Or, what if do all of the fungal shifts in a cauldron room/each of the cauldron rooms, and put the liquid that will be changing into the cauldron before the change and then fungal shift so that the liquid will change while inside the cauldron, etc.?
Same, I mean, is always best to temper expectations on a positive result solving the cauldron, however, at least with us shifting 20 times, having a sort of clip vid quickly showing the breakdown of the world as the material shifts away would be super cool :D
Would the game need to keep track of whether you have done the shift once with the right liquid in the cauldron? Maybe you could check the world state file after a single time and looking for something that would be different to a regular safe file.
Possible, the game does so in a general sense. its more about can it keep track of it in the cauldron. And we can never know, as it could be game engine side which is very very very hard to view and know what is tracked in there, much like the cauldron itself is spawned via the engine unlike the rest of the worl spawned by lua code that is easly viewable
@@LetsSufferTogether I see. From the point of view of game devs I'd do it in a way that is detectable by a player, so people have a way of finding clues. But of course I am not, I really hope you succeed.
Not sure if it was covered, apologies. But I read that some interpretations of the Kalevala indicate the Sampo is a cauldron that can't be opened. I wonder if that's anything?
Never been aware of such a thing and not enough people have been suggesting so as a problem. Also, seed changes mid run would wreck the way the seed production generates everything and such. Like can we then spawn into NG+5 right away with a random valid seed number? Never known that possibility
Turns out, you are right :D The seed number does not go up, but for shifts and some other stuff, it does go up by one (without informing us) so the shift list does change, which is kinda wild tbh
Has anyone tried to move any of the orbs across the game to the cauldron? Maybe across new game instances, one by one? We've got 11 orbs in the main world, so we can start there on our quest of passing knowledge on to future divers. Seems fitting for an element called an "Altar of Permanence."
Many have moved all sorts into the cauldron, including 'at least' 11 orbs, and most like, all 33/34. I mean, it is unlike to be 'just' one thing, but more a series of very difficult procedures,,, just like real alchemy. My theory is just a start on that as a basis to move onward from
I think if you work on your image a bit, you'd make a perfect mad scientist. You're half-way there already with the hair and glasses, it just needs a few tweaks.
Oh hey! Its the guy that used to play undermine! I thought you dropped off the face of the earth back when you were thinking about playing other games.. seems youtube just had me unsub.. welp gotta fix that.
can you not drop a wand on top of it and use it like a key then pour something over the top as an activation, to me it looks like a key slot like a sword in the stone scenario
*Cauldron is to the RIGHT of the HiSii Base :P
Dude your hair is majestic. Good vide btw.👌😉
*sees LST with some mushrooms near the cauldron*
Me, ready to listen to his mad man ramblings: Let him cook!
Dude love your content, great way to alchemize all that suffering as a team effort, whilst I believe I get most of the jist I am not ready to invest money yet. I'll keep to the outer orbit for now and maybe occasionally toss in some proof of interest, such as this attentative payment.
Keep up the great work, fellow traveler! May spells and wards keep you sane and expressive!
I've never seen a person so obsessed with a secret, hehe. If someone solves it, you'll probably be one of the first
I love how in depth, obessive, and borderline unhinged you're getting about this puzzle. Like a true mad scientist, just what we need to crack this!
Honestly, I don't think digging is even the right way to enter the cauldron room, like every other "hidden" room in the "side edr" zones, they are entered through some portals, maybe the cauldron room is similar to the lake rooms where its "specialty" is activated only if entering "correctly"
Maybe. I kinda like it. However, there's no room for you to enter through a portal like you would in those cases because the couldron room is full to the top with sand. You need to dig through it or blow it away in order to have room to be in there.
@@mastamas1124 when you make the sun doesnt all the sand in the world go away?
I have been wondering if "summon portal" has a second use when cast at a specific location. Perhaps this is how you get to the cauldron. You can cast it in one location and get EoE, or you can cast it from another specific intended location or with something in your inventory or an active stain or something to go to the cauldron.
@joshuamalott3748 doesn't summon portal only work at a specific location for EoE already
@@m4rcyonstation93 yes i was wrong in writing it can be used anywhere and edited for accuracy but I wonder if a second specific location currently deemed insignificant would trigger the spawning of a different portal
The three eyes, 3rd eye, thing also reminds me of "3rd person" perspective. In this way it invokes for me the idea of The Player, or outside information, as you were describing.
the thing i wonder about the cauldron is that its always closed, much like the scales, i wonder if there some objective that needs to be accomplished on a rare seed or some ridiculously difficult challenge to be undertaken that permanently open the cauldron for use, activating whatever alchemical magic it holds for special mixes or sth.
Isn't it generally accepted that nobody has truly earned their red gem amulet? There's probably a way to get an extra orb that hasn't been discovered yet.
I mean,,, Fury published a video of the theory... We here at LST think its a banger theory and love a bit of Fury :D However,,, generally accepted or not, there is not solid evidence either way and we all speculating. So a communitys acceptance based on a content creators theory compared to the Devs actual reasoning and design, means very little in factual basis. Part of my theory is in opposition to that as well, in the 3rd eye speculation, that outside info is a meta statement on knowlage and wisdom or something XD
@@LetsSufferTogethersomehow it's just easier to be scientific with a game. Regardless, love the communities work
@@LetsSufferTogether i know this is a month old but-
the amulet of yendor was first introduced in a very old roguelike called rogue (the original one) and it had some iterations over the years, all the way to noita. someone said that the amulet in noita is a reference to the one you find in nethack, because in that game, if you don't do the quest for it correctly, or you happen to cheat one in improperly, or even find one in a previous player's body, you instead get a cheap plastic imitation of the real thing and it won't actually end the game.
it's entirely possible that the devs know it's impossible to find the 34th orb without cheating, and so they give you the amulet of yendor as a nod to the fact that they know you cheated, and the amulet isn't the real one, it being kind of like a cheater's brand so to speak.
I think the devs are hallucinogenic stuff enjoyers and thus always had the feeling that the solution has something to do with tripping balls.
Also, whenever you trip after eating bungus and the visuals start, there are eyes that pop up in the background. I think they look eerily similar to the eye puzzle
eyes show up a lot for some reason...
You bring up an interesting point as if you look I noticed that the fungel shifts are pretty heavily associated with eyes so maybe if you are high or shift near the eyes it reveals something?
after a godrun the game couldnt kill me so i dig up to get to the parallel world to get me polyd from the boss and i ran into the cauldron room by misstake but here is the fun part normaly everything is gold but this room wasnt strange to me
Its because the game is loaded in by LUA code as you approch places chunk by chunk, the Cauldron chunk by the game engine itself (to help keep its secrets safe)... so you visited it AFTER you turned the world to gold didn't ya :P So the gold effect did not 'hit it' because of the way the gold applys to the world
@@LetsSufferTogether did the same by accident... Firstly, I visited cauldron room before I turned world into gold. After I did I was just digging to the surface to look around and run into the room again on my way up. Room wasnt turned into gold, however everything was market as gold when i put cursor on it. I would guess it behaves like this becouse it is not properly implemented in the game yet.
The fact that there's a giant tablet behind the cauldron has me feelin' sus. Is there some means of making that tablet display something? Maybe if we get the 34 orb ending, the datamined QR code will appear on the tablet after changing our contrast settings? Is the broom-wand going to somehow dust off a message if we place stained [solid] material there first? Maybe we need to shift Sand first before we can even think to mess with the room?
I think the darnedest thing about the cauldron room is that we have no idea how one is meant to find it. Rooms like these are placed in EDR typically because you're meant to warp into it via portal. And, usually, mysteries are solved by starting from the beginning. This mystery feels like it never had a beginning in the first place - we only know the middle, and we definitely don't know the end.
Also, considering that it may be the Altar of Permanence, I wonder if messing with the Nullification Altar first is necessary. Maybe something lore-related like Snow, Metal Dust, Sand in the three basins would instead create a portal to the cauldron room. Bleh.
The cauldron room is the only chunk that allows pre-placed/generated void liquid to destroy terrain. Otherwise, it just despawns upon chunk load. Shifting [sand] to [void liquid] before visiting the cauldron, and then visiting the cauldron, lets you see this for yourself very well.
Thats possibly because the cauldron room spawns in via the engine (to hide to actual secret) instead of via lua. So the mechanical in spawn law could be a reason. Kinda Occams Razor Engine spawn gonna have quirks compared to shifting lake to void and then being disapointed nothing spawns in XD
Isn't it also cuz cauldron can generate with void liquid in it? So it has to allow that or else that secret doesn't work
I too think solving the cauldron is gonna give you 34th orb. It would also mean you probably have to do whatever you need to do without the amulet
I mean this in the best way possible, you look like the kinda guy who is gonna end up solving the cauldron mystery. Love the hair!!
i would love it if this turned out to be the solution. it's such an awesome idea. someone needs to make a mod if it isn't.
I started playing a couple months ago and I'm struck over and over how the game presents very video gamey barriers and limits to the player, that turn out to be temporary or completely fake. In that regard, 34 orbs deliberately being a breach of the realm of the software doesn't feel out of line at all. I have really sticky thoughts brewing about the mysteries I've seen, but I have a long way to go to see the rest in person while it cooks.
Everytime you post a cauldron video I get crazy excited about the possibility of someone figuring it out. I just wanna knowwww
I less want to know than enjoy how a secret pot with no other clues gives us massive amounts of free reign to have a massive adventure and discussions on the game iteslf and its meanings, lore and all that business ^^
maybe you could fill it with the new mimicium (after it is out of the beta and on the main branch of course), because there is a big blank slate behind the cauldren, and what is mimicium? a literal blank slate for liquids. it copies any liquid it comes into contact with, but unlike fungal shifting, there doesn't seem to be any of the rainbow particles flying out of the 'transformed' liquid. this means (until it's changed) that mimicium IS a blank slate and instead of erasing and re-writing the identity of a liquid, all you need to do is write
Reeeeally promissing stuff!!!! Please do a video trying soon. I will try too but ill fail since im not very good lol
I may upload the streams, however, run is to long for a stand alone YT vid, we talking 30+ hours a run EZ, will have to edit it and even if there is no 'result' at the end, a long NG+28 run still could give us some good moments to make a nice edit'ed vid over ^^
trying to absorb just 10sec of this remarkable theory hurts my tiny smooth brain. mysteries and mechanics like these in the game makes me feel like I need a chemistry degree.
Incredible work though! I've been enthralled by this games secrets since OddHeader brought up the eye glyphs.
the cauldron looks like sampo from kalevala so maybe there's a hint to that, if it's alchemical cauldron then reading wiki on philosophers stone formula might give another clue
I just want to be able to: "press down while holding a bottle to collect liquids in front of you"
I think the theory has some decent core ideas. I'm not certain how it will pan out obviously but it's a good line to follow.
I belive this to be true, but i think that there are some important things that shoud be mentioned.
1 - i belive that the only thing you can use to trip on for the shift is mistery fungus optained from the sand in the room
2 - we cannot use teleport spells to go in the cauldron, since the teleport spell creates a single pixel of brass, and that would taint the purity of the experiment
3 - is worth investigating if materials tagged with impure can be used for this, or you need a seed without them in the fungal shits
4 - this is my personal belief, but i think the cauldron will offer a way to create the liquids that cannot be created at the moment without the use of mods or random material flasks (such as creepy liquid)
If purity comes into it, how do we account for the moss production in and around the cauldron over time?
I respect the mystery fungus production from the sand tho
What if the eye puzzle is a seed that you need to use for a specific cauldron shifting sequence
Possible, but I reject the eyes connection to the cauldron solution because I can :D Much happier thinking on cauldron minus the eyes rarther than see'ing the eyes as a block towards understanding the cauldron
@@LetsSufferTogetherI agree with your mindset there, I just thought it was an interesting idea.
@@malady420 aye, most def, even with my own personal ideas, is great so many people keep suggesting other things as well :) That way people can see the large scope of the challenge to pick there own personal way of looking at it ^^
OH MAN THIS IS HYPE! I will be going for this too, let the race begin hehe
Has anyone ever braught a friendly hisii into the couldron room before ? I think that would have some sort of effect
I wonder why I never see discussion of the evil eye being used in any of these puzzle solve attempts, I mean it is essential to the sun quest, it and tripping balls,
If this is the alchemy equivalent of the end of everything perhaps it has to do with the draught of midas (given the end of everything has an image of the elements of the philosophers stone, and that draught of midas is based on the philosophers stone). Or maybe something to do with bringing the philosophers stone (11 orb sampo) back up.
But it probably relies on outside information like you said, doubt any of this is useful
has anyone tried to make mystery-fungus from the sand around the cauldron?
yes :D
@@LetsSufferTogether ...and nothing happend?
Here's an IDEA,
Double, double,
Toil and Trouble:
Fire burn and cauldron bubble
By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes
I really hope someone sees this and more importantly that it works!!!
What immediately comes to mind for gaps in your theory is that it doesn't account for which 9 cauldrons you have to skip.
Are the void days the same in every NG+ or PW? or is it possible for only some cauldrons to be void? If so, and during a void day there's exactly 20 cauldrons that aren't void, or vice versa, that would be VERY interesting...
I also wonder what happens if you use the Leviathan's water-shifting effect. If you shift water to void liquid, then kill the leviathan, does all void liquid disappear? (this is me just spitballing haha)
This is a really interesting idea and I'm hopeful that it will lead somewhere. I still feel like there is more to the void liquid though..
very interesting!!
I think so too! :) Its a base anyway regardless for people to consider and think on even if they don't 'feel' my level of personal excitement for it specificly :P
The stone tablets can be link with it the Cauldron some how? i mean, you throw them in the Hiisi machine, and the thing behind the Cauldron looks like a stone tablet for me 🤔
Me encanto tu teoría, soy nuevo en el universo de Noitra, pero me encanta el lore en los videojuegos, te has ganado un nuevo sub.
Could it have something to do with Song of the Witches: “Double, double toil and trouble” from Macbeth? The poem even mentions worms.
VERY much look forward to this journey
I honestly really love the "third eye" theory. There is a popular new age idea that creativity and original ideas are actually manifestations of existing concepts of a higher dimension. I can't say if this is written down anywhere in old alchemical documents though.
I must ask... You have started playing this game much earlier than me. Since when is it the case that these eyes pop up during trips? Depending on the release date of the eye symbolism and the cauldron puzzle itself, we might be able to more accurately say if these two are connected or not.
It would also be amazing if we could work the eye-glyphs puzzle into this theory somehow.
I've never been a fan of 'time and date' theory when looking back as to making connections.
My idea is, as long as the puzzle remains unsolved, anything can be re-conned and changed at will.
However, while not perfect, we can still draw at least something from it all, just not specificly aware tbh of a lot of time and date things got add'ed without looking it up as I generally try remember the 'whole' to theorise more than I do 'segmented' via time n date
@@LetsSufferTogether Fair enough. It's not like the core theme of the game would shift over time anyway so old additions will likely blend in with new ones.
Love these raving lunatic type rants so much
the thumbnail is great btw
Very interesting vid, makes me think, the way I see it though is that if the Hiisi intentionally buried the cauldron then the void days might be some sort of extra deterrence to stop the player from using the cauldron on those certain days by breaking it. Maybe its like the Hiisi are hiding something only possible on those days? Another thing I noticed along the lines of the idea of purity is that void liquid appears to be the antithesis of purifying powder which would make it the most impure material in the game, the two recipes for void liquid are toxic sludge, worm blood, and fungus powder, and diamond with chaotic poly and toxic sludge. if we consider diamond to be "pure" and chaotic poly to be impure despite it not being listed as so on wiki, then the first recipe is made from 3 impure things and the second recipe is made with 2 impure and 1 "pure." For purifying powder the recipes are brass and diamond as well as diamond, silver, and worm blood, which also produces smoke alongside the powder, if the metals are considered "pure" then that means the recipes are 2 pure, and 2 pure and 1 impure. Comparing the powder and void, void has 1 recipe that is all impure, purifying powder has 1 recipe that is all pure, void has a recipe that is 2/3 impure and 1/3 pure, purifying powder with 2/3 pure and 1/3 impure albeit with smoke made as side effect. This along side with the cauldron room being shaped like the symbol for philosophers stone which is supposed to be complete purity makes me think that purity will be a large part in solving the secret. Something to try in the future would shifting the void liquid to purifying powder and then replacing the powder with the material to be shifted? Idk, but I do agree that starting off with the least convoluted theory now is the best move.
did you try throwing some spells like end of everything or portal or elemental stones inside/around for good measure?
Sounds like something that might connect them together by an obvious thread.
Maybe on later runs, however, we going simple first :P Then more complex ^^ Elemental stones would disturb/destroy the liquid tho.
@@LetsSufferTogether True but Hiisi base, ukkoskivi, end of everything, anvil and portals... they all connect really well imo. ig Eyes and cauldron would need some more experimenting.
I hope a secret isn't just in one of the previous updates.. like for a specific patch version or whatever something is enabled, allowing secret secretiness.
Control - ALT - Shift
This is really interesting and fun to think about, but especially if we make the comparison to the End of Everything spell, it just feels way too obtuse and complicated even for Noita, at least to me. At the end of the day, the End of Everything secret is relatively straight forward, sure, you need to first kick the hands, which is pretty random, but they really stand out with being on the main path and also unique to the one biome. Similarly, the statues in the jungle, the difficulty is in figuring out you need to look for them, but ultimately they also aren't very hidden, and as a clue they are easy to follow as well. Compared to that, the supposed cauldron puzzle sounds like an insane difficulty spike... but maybe the puzzles just got more complex the longer the game was out?
i was thinking that the shift list itself is your outside information so you would have to figure out how to go from the first material and change it into the next on the shift list WITHOUT the shift somehow in the couldron via REAL irl chemesty concepts. I dont really play noita but idk how you could do stuff like turning lava into oil ect. maybe there could be a shift list that would allow for possible combinations or if you could do a few shifts in order to change the shift list materials into possible combinations you would only have to track the changed materials and create possible combinations one at a time while you work through the list.
Not sure if you need to have materials shifted in inventory ect either, just a thought.
Two things I can think of is there’s an infinitely producing porridge cauldron fable, and you can turn the sand around the cauldron into fungus, and then after that you could shift the fungus… correct me if I’m wrong, but fungal shifting breaks alchemical reactions, right? So that sand into fungus etc no work anymore… but also, are there any alchemical reactions that persist/are unaffected by fungal shifts, or could the cauldron aka altar of permanence be a place where you could still perform alchemical reactions even though some or all of the components have been shifted maybe?
Or, what if do all of the fungal shifts in a cauldron room/each of the cauldron rooms, and put the liquid that will be changing into the cauldron before the change and then fungal shift so that the liquid will change while inside the cauldron, etc.?
Or something with purifying powder, thinking of permanence
Super facinating theory
I think you could be on to something mate!! How exciting!
can't wait to see what comes of this!!
Same, I mean, is always best to temper expectations on a positive result solving the cauldron, however, at least with us shifting 20 times, having a sort of clip vid quickly showing the breakdown of the world as the material shifts away would be super cool :D
Would the game need to keep track of whether you have done the shift once with the right liquid in the cauldron? Maybe you could check the world state file after a single time and looking for something that would be different to a regular safe file.
Possible, the game does so in a general sense. its more about can it keep track of it in the cauldron.
And we can never know, as it could be game engine side which is very very very hard to view and know what is tracked in there, much like the cauldron itself is spawned via the engine unlike the rest of the worl spawned by lua code that is easly viewable
@@LetsSufferTogether I see. From the point of view of game devs I'd do it in a way that is detectable by a player, so people have a way of finding clues. But of course I am not, I really hope you succeed.
What do the patterns on the pillars mean? Looks like maps or something.
Not sure if it was covered, apologies. But I read that some interpretations of the Kalevala indicate the Sampo is a cauldron that can't be opened.
I wonder if that's anything?
is it just me or does the rectangular monolith behined the cauldron look like it could have words on it?
Aye, thats what we hope to find out :D But most certainly room for it to show something ^^
@LetsSufferTogether I'm guessing someone checked if the Pahl sima evil eye reveals any hidden stuff alredy 😅
doesnt the seed number go up by one if you go to new game plus? that would change the shift list
Never been aware of such a thing and not enough people have been suggesting so as a problem.
Also, seed changes mid run would wreck the way the seed production generates everything and such. Like can we then spawn into NG+5 right away with a random valid seed number? Never known that possibility
Turns out, you are right :D The seed number does not go up, but for shifts and some other stuff, it does go up by one (without informing us) so the shift list does change, which is kinda wild tbh
Im loving the new theory
The fungron
This game is conspiracy theory buster simulator, you gotta check it all.
every single fluid from the game
Have you tried making midas draught in the cauldron?
I think you’re onto something about tripping, I know that psychedelics played a massive part in the creation of this game
I dont want to be that guy, but I really dont think that devs would make a secret for which you would need outside tools to solve (that is noitool)
Has anyone tried to move any of the orbs across the game to the cauldron?
Maybe across new game instances, one by one?
We've got 11 orbs in the main world, so we can start there on our quest of passing knowledge on to future divers. Seems fitting for an element called an "Altar of Permanence."
Many have moved all sorts into the cauldron, including 'at least' 11 orbs, and most like, all 33/34.
I mean, it is unlike to be 'just' one thing, but more a series of very difficult procedures,,, just like real alchemy. My theory is just a start on that as a basis to move onward from
I figured it out...
your hair is glorious
Locked away.. or forgotten?
I think if you work on your image a bit, you'd make a perfect mad scientist. You're half-way there already with the hair and glasses, it just needs a few tweaks.
Has anyone died inside of the cauldron yet? If not that is what my goal is to try.
Aye, many have died in many ways :D ALTHOUGH,,, I do have a brand new way most like never seen before,,, Dying in the cauldron via fall damage :D
Oh hey! Its the guy that used to play undermine! I thought you dropped off the face of the earth back when you were thinking about playing other games.. seems youtube just had me unsub.. welp gotta fix that.
do it.
I think the devs are just trolls, and haven't actually made a puzzle for the cauldron.
Aye, that is also my main theory XD But thats boring as well as a content creator :P
guy wtf, you have a fan blowing your hair?
Outside McD's stealing their WiFi in England, its windy :P
Given the 3 month age of this video... Didn't work?
haha funi pixel game
It's beta not beta ;)
yes :)
>30 minute video.
>never shows any attempt at the idea.
Waste of my time.
@@Reiman33 what about 'theory' did you misunderstand to waste your own time.... XD
can you not drop a wand on top of it and use it like a key then pour something over the top as an activation, to me it looks like a key slot like a sword in the stone scenario
Does the cauldron exist in parralel worlds?
nay :/