dont worry about us getting worn out here on youtube. honestly id like more vods getting uploaded. but i do get wanting to keep your yt higher quality so mby upload them on the dunk or trash channel. personally really enjoyed the 100% run
He didn’t explain this, but when a limited modifier (such as matter eater) interacts with a utility spell type it doesn’t get used, I’m not entirely sure what happens in this whether it does get used because it gets applied to the duplicated projectile, or it doesn’t because it counts as going toward a utility
@@dutchthenightmonkey3457 Good point you are raising. i should clarify how this works: plicate -> Matter Eater -> spark bolt here, plicate ignores matter eater (since its not a projectile). this will spend charges of matter eater. Matter Eater -> plicate -> spark bolt assuming we dont have mana for all the spark bolts, the original spark bolt is never cast, matter eater has no projectiles in the same cast, and therefore spends NO charges.
@@AcidArmy_ There is a trick that can be done with the heart mage to cause 1 heart to give you many thousands of HP. The hardest part of which is normally getting the heart mage to be near where the heart is. But with this you could do it any time you find a heart mage, and you could repeat it many times.
@@AcidArmy_so imagine you have like 1000 hp and get set to 1 hp by the heart wizard, then you pick up a heart and let the effect run out, you now have 25000 hp, pretty simple, right?
@@averagelithuanian …I’ve got 500 hours I don’t need this explained to me, I was just asking if these two great ways to get OP somehow had a closer connection than I assumed
honestly man more vids like this talking about more spells in detail and combos would be great. obviously new players can learn but this really helps speed up that process cuz me personally dying over and over and not really understanding these spells sucks a lot. like im not dumb but sometimes just not as creative or innovative to think of these combos myself
You could NEVER bore us Dunk, i appreciate that youre always worried that your runs are too boring but honestly man Id watch anything you put up. Love you bro!
I personally don't care about 'boring' runs, I would watch any runs, and if it's any challange run it's just a bonus. Even just unedited twitch vods are cool for me, and looking at comments, others share that view :D
Thanks Dunk! Been following your' explanation videos since I started delving deeper into Noita. The spells are confusing ~ Thank you so much for these!
worrying about "overwhelming us with content" lol, I'm pretty sure you should just upload ALL your future vods to the DunkOrTrash channel, even the random games, i enjoy your vids and ramblings with chat, I'm just not the biggest fan of twitch, not like youtube is much better... dont be so critical of the trash channel, feed us
good advice very appreciated I had been trying to beat alki & unlock greek spells for literally 4 years, did it this week, now any time I get a decent seed I take the gold biome then go to the shop in zone 2 of the work and get greek spells most times. Or from hiisi hourglass, I think unlocking greek spells is pretty big personally
Thanks for the info! I just picked up a duplicate spell on my current run and I'm adding it to a wand with giga black hole. Now i know to switch that setup to a weaker (less mana) wand instead
Not sure if this is known yet but multicasting this trick with a wand refresh seems to negate the cost of both the “plicate” and the matosade, so you get infinite charges if both without the perk. Just spent 20min farming hearts this way before I hoped off for the day but I cast it at least 50 times and it’s still at 20 charges for the 5-plicate (whatever the name is) and 2 for matosade.
It is not obvious that you preserve charges by deliberately running out of mana and that you can also use that to manipulate the formation of the spells being cast. And I don't think you'd immediately assume that it casts the related projectile of Matosade instead of Matosade itself either.
Yeah I was struggling with this too but eventually figured it out. Essentially you need a wand that can cast both the plicate and the spell copied by the plicate, for example you may be trying to cast an iplicate with a black hole after it. If you have less than 40+180 mana in this case then you don't have enough mana to cast the iplicate and the copy of the blackhole. Then if you have above or equal to 40+180 mana and less than 40+180+180 mana you can cast the copy of the blackhole but not the actual blackhole. Then as I'm sure is pretty simple in comparison, if the mana is above 40+180+180 then you have casted the iplicate, the copy for the iplicate, and the blackhole therefore using a cast of the blackhole alongside the cast of the iplicate. Hope this helps because I was struggling for a hot minute with this, genuinely leaving me stumped until I realised how stupid I was seeing that dunk literally showed it working like this in the video.
did they patch this im on the release so not the beta 6-7-2024 useing a wand that has 160 max mana 1 cast set up like this (giant spitter with timer 45mana - yiplacate 40mana -matosada 225mana) doing this uses 1 charge of the yiplaceat and burns out of mana... if i use a wand that has 800 max it uses a charge of yiplacate and matosada summons 1 worm that can drop a heart........ after quick testing i did figure it out you have to pinpoint the mana .... yiplacate casts 2 copys if you want the effect to go off you need enough mana to trigger atleast 1 of the copys BUT NOT MORE or it will use a charge from the copyed spell example (same setup but with a wand that has 310>535)
As a programmer I can see it totally comes from how the spell was implemented and was probably never intended. :D . The spell charge on the target spell is decremented after the last copy of it is cast. And it just doesn't happen if the last copy couldn't happen.
I haven't tested it myself so i can't be 100% sure here! From your video it seems that if there is not enough mana to cast it fully it casts as many copies as it can without consuming the charge of the spell it's copying (Only the iplicate spell charge). That's why Heplicate + Black Hole casted 2 black holes in Iplicate pattern while on wand with 600 mana (130 for Heplicate, 360 for 2 black holes gives us 490, 110 left not enough for another black hole). It immediately screams to be abused to have a lot of charges (or infinite with unlimited spells) of a spell while also casting 5 copies of it at the same time (with Heplicate and careful manage of mana). Combining this with Matosade (and maybe some divide by I am not sure how this would combine here) may make a completely insane health farm. Edit: Did a little bit of testing, Matosade does not work, it always spawns only 1 worm, but the mechanic is there. Wand with 1030 max mana Heplicate and black does indeed cast 5 black holes without consuming black hole charge (in a pentagonal pattern). I don't know if there is some huge use for that (since Matosade does not work) but maybe someone will find a spell that works very well with it.
I feel this would be easy to nerf for early game, just make the first copy of the spell consume the charge instead of last, and only give copies for each that is successfully paid for, so if you are 50 mana short of the last black hole, it casts one less, if you don't have mana for any, it doesn't consume a charge, but casts none and consumes a peplicate.
They're utility type; utility type spells won't spawn on naturally-generated wands except for some special premade ones (and as far as I know, no premade wands include -plicate spells), so they will seem a lot rarer than e.g. projectile type spells. (Also, they've only been in since Epilogue 2 update and don't have the highest selection probabilities even when they are eligible.)
it didnt work for me. Got a quplicate spell and put it on a wand with 180 mana. I was trying to copy a circle of vigor spell. 80*4 plus 90=410. dont know what happened.
I guess the devs are not gonna nerf this, the method is pretty complicated, actually it's probably will be easier to farm hp with th heart wizards in the jungle or anywhere else.
Make a video on infinite ghost wands! I found it out today. I found a wand ghost spell and used a Greek letter to infinitely cast it and farm wands and spells with my tablet.
From how it worked at 7:55 i would assume that if you have it barley not have enough mana to cast the actual spell, you could get more copies of the spell per use of the plicate spells
If they patch it they are the biggest clowns. Heart mage trick requires 3 hearts to get you higher than 1000 worms will get you and that's intended, if they patch charge usage they should patch everything else as well
we bathe in wurm blood tonight!
Now the devs are gonna nerf them again, SMH, thanks old man. Daily Request for more Death montages.
would make them basically useless...
If they havent nerfed the negative weakness exploit so far, theyre not gonna nerf this
edit: this shit was nerfed
@@nmmeswey3584as I know they did. now it's up to 0 but not negative
WE DEMAND MORE DED MONTAGES
@@spamcolectorso you can still become completely immune to projectiles?
Don’t worry about boring UA-cam, a lot of people are starving for long content. Keep doing your thing!
dont worry about us getting worn out here on youtube. honestly id like more vods getting uploaded. but i do get wanting to keep your yt higher quality so mby upload them on the dunk or trash channel. personally really enjoyed the 100% run
!!!!BUDGET GREEKS!!!!
Great Video! Small correction: -plicates will only copy spells of type "projectile" or "static projectile", not Matter Eater for example.
He didn’t explain this, but when a limited modifier (such as matter eater) interacts with a utility spell type it doesn’t get used, I’m not entirely sure what happens in this whether it does get used because it gets applied to the duplicated projectile, or it doesn’t because it counts as going toward a utility
@@dutchthenightmonkey3457 Good point you are raising. i should clarify how this works:
plicate -> Matter Eater -> spark bolt
here, plicate ignores matter eater (since its not a projectile). this will spend charges of matter eater.
Matter Eater -> plicate -> spark bolt
assuming we dont have mana for all the spark bolts, the original spark bolt is never cast, matter eater has no projectiles in the same cast, and therefore spends NO charges.
yeah, that combined with a heart mage would be insane
What’s this got to do with a heart mage
@@AcidArmy_ There is a trick that can be done with the heart mage to cause 1 heart to give you many thousands of HP. The hardest part of which is normally getting the heart mage to be near where the heart is. But with this you could do it any time you find a heart mage, and you could repeat it many times.
@@wyrdplae8586 well yeah. I guess I meant why a heart mage when this is a spell and there are already a billion ways to get OP
@@AcidArmy_so imagine you have like 1000 hp and get set to 1 hp by the heart wizard, then you pick up a heart and let the effect run out, you now have 25000 hp, pretty simple, right?
@@averagelithuanian …I’ve got 500 hours I don’t need this explained to me, I was just asking if these two great ways to get OP somehow had a closer connection than I assumed
New dunk vid on a Friday, it's a good day.
I last played noita in january of 2023 but I still watch every single noita vid from you and fury
What you waiting on😂
@@spilledsoju03 nothing, interested in the game and secrets but find playing it a bit tiring lol
same, game gets pretty stale after discovering secrets and being able to 11-orb, but that's still a good 100h or so of a great game
honestly man more vids like this talking about more spells in detail and combos would be great. obviously new players can learn but this really helps speed up that process cuz me personally dying over and over and not really understanding these spells sucks a lot. like im not dumb but sometimes just not as creative or innovative to think of these combos myself
you know its a good day when there's a new dunk or slam video out. Got my first sun quest done thanks to you!
My sun is gone after i follow this into cheese moon in heaven. Idk why
You could NEVER bore us Dunk, i appreciate that youre always worried that your runs are too boring but honestly man Id watch anything you put up. Love you bro!
new to noita and the channel, love your content! you explain everything like you're our big brother
I personally don't care about 'boring' runs, I would watch any runs, and if it's any challange run it's just a bonus. Even just unedited twitch vods are cool for me, and looking at comments, others share that view :D
Agreed love the ranting, always open to more notia knowledge! The Long runs are nice
Thanks Dunk! Been following your' explanation videos since I started delving deeper into Noita. The spells are confusing ~ Thank you so much for these!
He wasn't lying, it took him 3h
Bout to Plicate my health pool with this one, didn't know about any of this before the video.
worrying about "overwhelming us with content" lol, I'm pretty sure you should just upload ALL your future vods to the DunkOrTrash channel, even the random games, i enjoy your vids and ramblings with chat, I'm just not the biggest fan of twitch, not like youtube is much better... dont be so critical of the trash channel, feed us
I saw that spells in my run. Nice to know what i can do with that in future
The true meta-progression.
@@teremleonheart3776 mind meta-progresstion
good advice very appreciated
I had been trying to beat alki & unlock greek spells for literally 4 years, did it this week, now any time I get a decent seed I take the gold biome then go to the shop in zone 2 of the work and get greek spells most times. Or from hiisi hourglass, I think unlocking greek spells is pretty big personally
dunk really cooked with this one..
Love the noit. Thanks so much for the wisdom Dunk!
Thanks for the info! I just picked up a duplicate spell on my current run and I'm adding it to a wand with giga black hole. Now i know to switch that setup to a weaker (less mana) wand instead
Man I wish the gg wiki would put a section to explain how this works because I forget how it works every single time I want to do it.
Not sure if this is known yet but multicasting this trick with a wand refresh seems to negate the cost of both the “plicate” and the matosade, so you get infinite charges if both without the perk. Just spent 20min farming hearts this way before I hoped off for the day but I cast it at least 50 times and it’s still at 20 charges for the 5-plicate (whatever the name is) and 2 for matosade.
Thanks, dude! Highly appreciate your break-downs :) congrats on the challenge run, by the way!
They are not secretly OP, they are obviously OP
He says it is a secret because he only recently found out xD
It is not obvious that you preserve charges by deliberately running out of mana and that you can also use that to manipulate the formation of the spells being cast. And I don't think you'd immediately assume that it casts the related projectile of Matosade instead of Matosade itself either.
It's not obvious to put them on a wand that lacks mana. I would expect them to either not work or still consume charges. This feels like a bug
I love the ranting bro ty for the videos
That worm heart farm seems OP Thanks
i havent ever seen these iplicate modifiers
A bastion of the Noita community! Thanks again Chase. I've walked past these spells a bunch.
This is the first time I've ever watched a video without realizing fifteen minutes had gone by before it was pointed out to me...
decades from now we will have scholars with grey beards still researching Noita spells
I like the idea of -plicate spells as an intermediary spell for greek spells, but the interaction with matosade is definitely broken.
Watched the video, next run found the spells, 2000 health, life is good , got complacent , no fire immunity , ranoutofwater.jpg, dead.
Is this patched already? Just tried to save charges with a BH with timer, but no BH fired. Might be missing some specifics.
Yeah I was struggling with this too but eventually figured it out.
Essentially you need a wand that can cast both the plicate and the spell copied by the plicate, for example you may be trying to cast an iplicate with a black hole after it.
If you have less than 40+180 mana in this case then you don't have enough mana to cast the iplicate and the copy of the blackhole.
Then if you have above or equal to 40+180 mana and less than 40+180+180 mana you can cast the copy of the blackhole but not the actual blackhole.
Then as I'm sure is pretty simple in comparison, if the mana is above 40+180+180 then you have casted the iplicate, the copy for the iplicate, and the blackhole therefore using a cast of the blackhole alongside the cast of the iplicate.
Hope this helps because I was struggling for a hot minute with this, genuinely leaving me stumped until I realised how stupid I was seeing that dunk literally showed it working like this in the video.
can you make a video about pollen looping? its confusing and your videos always help me
This old man has somehow mult-iplicated his age many times over
Trying it out on spell labs, it's consuming both the plicate charge and the black hole charge.
Please make a video explaining how the "Requirement" spells work, and maybe the Divide By
Apparently there's a Noita PVP tournament going on and would love to see you take a swing at it
did they patch this im on the release so not the beta 6-7-2024 useing a wand that has 160 max mana 1 cast set up like this (giant spitter with timer 45mana - yiplacate 40mana -matosada 225mana) doing this uses 1 charge of the yiplaceat and burns out of mana... if i use a wand that has 800 max it uses a charge of yiplacate and matosada summons 1 worm that can drop a heart........ after quick testing i did figure it out you have to pinpoint the mana .... yiplacate casts 2 copys if you want the effect to go off you need enough mana to trigger atleast 1 of the copys BUT NOT MORE or it will use a charge from the copyed spell example (same setup but with a wand that has 310>535)
As a programmer I can see it totally comes from how the spell was implemented and was probably never intended. :D . The spell charge on the target spell is decremented after the last copy of it is cast. And it just doesn't happen if the last copy couldn't happen.
i subbed to dunk or trash when i found out there was 40 hrs of footage on there
Bored of Noita videos? Never!
Curious if that trick would allow you to cast a hugely mana intensive spell (many dmg+ or whatever) even though the wand didn't have the mana capacity
Dunk, I kindly request you for a tut for the advanced wand building(div10, S2P/G2P… requirements, etc.) there is not much on the wiki and in UA-cam.
That's cool and all but can you explain chainsaw wrapping?
I haven't tested it myself so i can't be 100% sure here!
From your video it seems that if there is not enough mana to cast it fully it casts as many copies as it can without consuming the charge of the spell it's copying (Only the iplicate spell charge). That's why Heplicate + Black Hole casted 2 black holes in Iplicate pattern while on wand with 600 mana (130 for Heplicate, 360 for 2 black holes gives us 490, 110 left not enough for another black hole). It immediately screams to be abused to have a lot of charges (or infinite with unlimited spells) of a spell while also casting 5 copies of it at the same time (with Heplicate and careful manage of mana). Combining this with Matosade (and maybe some divide by I am not sure how this would combine here) may make a completely insane health farm.
Edit:
Did a little bit of testing, Matosade does not work, it always spawns only 1 worm, but the mechanic is there. Wand with 1030 max mana Heplicate and black does indeed cast 5 black holes without consuming black hole charge (in a pentagonal pattern). I don't know if there is some huge use for that (since Matosade does not work) but maybe someone will find a spell that works very well with it.
What do you mean when you say Matosade doesn't work? Wouldn't a similar Helpicate setup spawn 4 worms with that wand?
@@xn85d2 That's what i thought would happen too, but it just did not work for me for some reason and only spawned a singular worm
@@aetrig_ Hmm, interesting. I'll have to check it out.
I knew someone would make this seemingly underwhelming spell OP somehow. Not surprised you were to be the one to do it.
Overwhelm us with content? What do you mean!? GIMME MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!
I feel this would be easy to nerf for early game, just make the first copy of the spell consume the charge instead of last, and only give copies for each that is successfully paid for, so if you are 50 mana short of the last black hole, it casts one less, if you don't have mana for any, it doesn't consume a charge, but casts none and consumes a peplicate.
Wait, the worms from Matosade don't drop hearts anymore, right?
bro hit the 1 in 32 in the plicate tutorial, nice
dunk, does freeze liquid perk is best way to dodge polymorphine?
Sorry, what am I missing? never saw any of those in my noita runs, they do not need unlocks right? and I played a lot of hours a noita the last days
They're utility type; utility type spells won't spawn on naturally-generated wands except for some special premade ones (and as far as I know, no premade wands include -plicate spells), so they will seem a lot rarer than e.g. projectile type spells. (Also, they've only been in since Epilogue 2 update and don't have the highest selection probabilities even when they are eligible.)
They are pretty rare and don't appear on wands, so you can realistically only expect them to show up in Holy Mountain shops, eye room or hell shop.
@@leaftenanthill understood, thank you!
Info starts at 3:25
I am currently in a run wondering if I should get the unlimited spells perk and I think you just answered my question :)
Finnish is so hard with all those ä's and ö's... Also here we have this spell called mätosade.
it didnt work for me. Got a quplicate spell and put it on a wand with 180 mana. I was trying to copy a circle of vigor spell. 80*4 plus 90=410. dont know what happened.
i'm wouldn't be surprised if this gets nerved or removed.
I only watch you from UA-cam ❤
Please make more nice content like this 👌👍
I was starting to think we were left out :>
He fed his youtube community!
You always break my edging streak when you upload! ☹️
the content creator luck is wild with the hearts..
How do you get such good wands
I guess the devs are not gonna nerf this, the method is pretty complicated, actually it's probably will be easier to farm hp with th heart wizards in the jungle or anywhere else.
plicate matosade heartmage moment
Circle of vigor is either a myth or a mod i swear
Finally another chain saw wrapping vid.... oh wait.
I would love the oct one eith the eggs. 100s of friends
mush love Dunk. best noita player ever.
EXTENDED EXTENDED EXTENDED
Make a video on infinite ghost wands! I found it out today. I found a wand ghost spell and used a Greek letter to infinitely cast it and farm wands and spells with my tablet.
Thanks Dunk
more runs!!! just random runs, as far as I'm concerned you can even leave in twitch sounds... worste case mute the video sound when they take over...
Great to know that’s super useful
Time to look for a heart mage to try its limits.
New Noita technology makes my happy bits tingle. Even more ways to become a god in Noita
Damn really? I was skipping these babies
chainsawwrapping
Found a yplicate while watching this video lmao, maybe first god run with Matosade?!
Thx Dunk,,,,you the B E S T !
Really useful advice.
Thanks!
From how it worked at 7:55 i would assume that if you have it barley not have enough mana to cast the actual spell, you could get more copies of the spell per use of the plicate spells
If they patch it they are the biggest clowns. Heart mage trick requires 3 hearts to get you higher than 1000 worms will get you and that's intended, if they patch charge usage they should patch everything else as well
FIRE.
no kidding, dota 2 patch 7.36, it took me like 2 days to finish reading through the patch note
!quack
DunkOrTrash 4 lyfe 🤙
!buhee
"Circle of healing is kinda rare"
Dude,
If not your videos I would didnt even know it exist. 😑
Is it "Noyta" or "No-eeta"
1,2,3,5,6,4. Of course. ;)
OMG just drive over all the trees, no need to three point turn #relevant
A Dunk video thats under 10 hours long? nonsense.
16:00 IM AM NOT ABANDONED :DDD
It's a rare pleasure to see something that is broken forbidden knowledge even for Noita