I agree with Doc’s take, I read the original post in chinese and the tone of the post reflects the director’s own lack of experience, he wasnt blaming Microsoft at all…
of course he wasnt blaming Microsoft, though if the Series S just have 12GB or 16GB of RAM then this wont be a problem. We should push A trillion dollar company to do better than this instead of expecting a small indie studio to bend over their knees to optimize their game.
Yes but also they can send a letter to MS asking for Help with Port... BG3 did the same a got help from Xbox sho what is stoping them to do the same? Isnt like there is a deal or something
Devs like any other occupation will run a gamut of experience, resources, etc. This was game science's 1st attempt at a triple A pc/console title (their prev experience was 2 mobile games) and they started with 30 devs. To expect everything to be polished or scoped to the likes of an insomniac or rockstar is stupid. Itd be like expecting an amateur rookie boxer to fight the reigning champ and not get his brains beat in. The fact they got such a good looking game to run reasonably well on pc/ps5 is already a laudable feat. Xbox series x players could be enjoying the gamë if the series S didnt exist. MS is making devs jobs harder by releasing a weaker system and asking them to make a game perform on both systems. MS also did not sell enough units to really make the extra effort worth the roi for some studios. Its the PLATFORMS responsibility to make a system/ecosystem that is developer friendly and to sell enough units to make the roi worthwhile. At the end of the day, yall can complain about the developers lack of experience or technical ability but pc gamers and ps gamers got to enjoy black myth and series x owners could have if the S didnt exist. And now because ms cant admit the S has limitations you got a whole brainwashed, tinfoil hat console cult telling devs theyre lazy and liars.
@smwfreak1647 they have to or they won't get no more passes to press events or review codes as Sony's known to cut ties with press who give them bad reviews or bad press etc
Stop it. Not too long ago almost every youtube channel was promoting x box game pass. You couldn’t go to any channel in the media without hearing about the service. Everybody was promoting and talking about it, saying it was the best deal gaming etc etc. And that still wasn’t enough to get the public to go out and buy a series x/s. The media always sways depending on who’s paying, giving gifts, early access or flying them out.
As a Chinese player who loves Black Myth: Wukong, I’d like to share some information for reference. First, if you ask me why Game Science has been slow to release the game on Xbox, I believe it’s due to optimization issues. Game Science indeed lacks experience. As for the rumors about exclusivity agreements or them not seeking technical support from Microsoft, I don’t buy those theories. What’s the core logic behind my belief? It’s all about money-nobody turns their back on money. Currently, Black Myth: Wukong has sold approximately 22 million copies on Steam alone, not including sales on PS5, Epic Games Store, or China’s WeGame platform. I don’t think Sony’s financial reports suggest they could afford an exclusivity deal on this scale. Furthermore, based on Chinese business principles and habits, if there wasn’t exclusivity from the start, it’s unlikely they would deliberately avoid releasing on Xbox later. Chinese businesses value maintaining good relationships with all parties-harmony is paramount. Simply put, they wouldn’t go out of their way to alienate any platform. Besides, Sony doesn’t hold any stake in Game Science, so it couldn’t dictate their decisions in business. Lastly, here’s a common practice among Chinese entrepreneurs: “闷声发大财” In other words, they prefer to focus on earning profits without much fanfare. After announcing that Black Myth sold over 10 million copies across all platforms within the first three days, Game Science has since released no further updates. Under a Weibo post shared by Doc about the game, when someone asked about the exact sales figures for Black Myth: Wukong, Feng Ji responded, “Let’s not talk about sales anymore.” I’m not a PS5 or Xbox player-I play on PC. I’m simply speaking up for Black Myth. Of course, you’re free to believe what you want. My information is intended for those who are open to thinking critically and considering alternative perspectives. Finally, enjoy the game and enjoy life.
说得好 I totally agree with this dude. His comments on how most Chinese businesses run are on the spot. There wouldn’t be any incentives for GS to not release the game on XBOX on purpose, that would be just wasted profit+ bad rep. Owning up to the responsibility is the right thing to do and for a studio started with 30 developers in total, I guess that is the best that you could ask for, and they surely did their best to make the game enjoyed by millions of players around the globe. Don’t be blindly brainwashed by those medias. Be open minded and see what’s really happening.
Really I play on PC I get all your games and xbox titles too. No need for PS consoles also I have a SERIES X for my back log of over 400+ games I have not brought a game for my XBOX in over a year
@Dadee3 I game on XBSX too. I play PC for my PlayStation games F fan boys of XBOX PC & PS I play on all formats I don't discriminate against any gamers I hate HARD-CORE gamers no matter what system they're on. All gamers should enjoy gaming but FAN BOYS play Twitter I don't
@Dadee3 wrong PC has more exclusive titles than SONY with it money hatting games. PLAYSTATION has no exclusives because sony is a 3rd party publisher FACT they play and look better PS. All games should be on every platform period exclusives are dying out
@@Rudy-ft2fsfalse. Exclusives in general. That goes for Nintendo since Nintendo got majority of exclusives out of all 3 consoles. 2nd. Xbox players support square enix the least
@@aryferreira2375 even if the Dev didn't come out and they say. XBOX was saying there was a deal when they knew what the problem was... That's pathetic behaviour for a million dollar company...
The Wukong makers started as a 1-man project and they founded and built the studio during the development process. I can forgive them their inexperienced with optimization. They just lack the specialists for.
They can officialy ask for MS help so they can send people to help them with the port a lot of indie and AA game did the samething and Xbox help them so why this time is diferent? Insteant he is issuing the problem in a social media? Come on im a PC user but that is kind wack no? if so they could just put on Microsft Store
The game runs fine on the steam deck so their is no reason they cant get it to run on the S. Space marine/ indy/ hellblade and more run fine on the S and look better than Wtkong
If a Steam Deck can run the game with less than a Series S at 10GB should be fine if something with only access to 8GB can run the game. Doesn't really add up. If a Series S can run Hellblade 2 and Indiana Jones and those other graphically intensive games, then Black Myth Wukong should have no trouble at all getting there. It already runs on a Steam Deck.
wait doesn't the steam deck have 16gb of shared ram ? the series s only has 10gb of shared ram cuz that would make a huge difference. also, at what resolution is the game running on the deck 800p 30fps with frs?
@@LCJammer the series s has a spilt ram config of 8GB+2GB. 8GB usable for games. the best settings for wukong on steam deck is at 720p with fps limiter at 40. not advisable to FSR because it causes input lag
@samrhecker9636 series s has more gpu and cpu performance than steamdeck.. But it has 10gb of ram.. That being said they could lower graphical settings and run the game at 900p 30 fps if needs be... The devs are incompetent
People cheer when the underdog is getting smack down and he gets back up. But after so many bitch slaps and xbox shows zero progress.... just stay down champ, your done. This year doc is gona realize his limit for capping and finally stay down.
Its still not right. They can make it run on the steamdeck but not the series s. There has to be a deal in place so ina have to believe microsoft and what they said twice already. They cannot comment on deals from other platforms.
The Switch 2 will be less powerful than a Series S and publishers will flock to support it. Series S is not the problem. The reality is that video game publishers are holding the generation back because they want their games on as many devices as possible. Remember the massive marketing deal Sony had with Resident Evil Village when these consoles launched? That games runs great on my iPhone 16. All these games run on the Steam Deck. Not to mention the fact that most of the games from the last 4 years were also on PS4. This generation feels the way it does because the economics of video games have changed.
Exactly, where there is a will there is a way. But Xbox simply just isn't lucrative enough for some devs to invest time in getting their software to work on the Series S.
Imagine you have a car that runs ALMOST everyday. The only 2 times it didn’t run it made you miss your flight and your graduation… Does it still feel like a good purchase?
Further proof the Xbox Series S shouldn’t exist. Microsoft should’ve just released a digital only Xbox series X instead of the series S. Going forward for next-gen, Microsoft should only release a high powered $700+ console, since they are a 3rd party publisher mainly now and they most likely wont ever be in 1st place, in the console marketplace. Make the Xbox the best console to play their games on, even if they go to PlayStation. Coming from a PS5 Pro guy…
Microsoft and Xbox just need to stop playing the good guy roll. Bury these dudes already. They know PS is making these under the table deals. Don’t you think if it was possible Xbox would of already helped them port it already. Microsoft needs to stop getting bullied and be the bully already. Its not personal its business.
@ Im a Series X and PC owner so thats that. It’s not “if” but when it comes out that PS is money hatting the game, come back like a good little pony and apologize. You wont tho you will move the goal post like always.
Why do you own an Xbox when you already have a PC? That's just limiting the games you can get, many games are still locked to Playstation AND you get a unique experience because of the dualsense controller. Maybe your PC sucks or you're just a filthy fanboy.
You do know PS games are on PC right lol 🤣 why would you own a PlayStation when you could play the superior version of a PlayStation game is the question ? I switch back and forth from PC to my Xbox Seamlessly. I have choices. Console when i want to relax and PC when i want to get competitive or play a superior version of a PlayStation game , Emulation or PC only games. Like this guy Doc says theres levels to this.
This is just complete and pure BS. If the Steam Deck can run the game just fine a Series S can do the same and it's really no issue at all. It's much weaker hardware by comparison so if it can run on that hardware it can run on the other.
steam deck has a unified RAM while the series s has a split-ram config of 8GB+2GB. the 8GB usable RAM for games is the bottleneck. *8GB RAM* for games this gen is trash! 🤣
Mannn xbox fan girls really are the biggest victims in gaming. Everyone else has an issue except xbox. Fact is the 2 biggest AAA titles, 2 years in a row couldnt launch on xbox day 1 - As you say "actions speak louder than words". XBOX IS THE PROBLEM NOT THE INDUSTRY!!
I never see devs moan about putting games on Switch. They either do it or not do it, there is no cry! It is like they set out deliberately to make Xbox look bad. It is weird to publicly state you are inexperienced, and lower your reputation as skilled developers. it just seems like a red herring and they deliberately make it need more than 10GB to keep it off Xbox.
All this Black Myth this is so wierd like if there is a problem to port there is ways to solver it. They could official request help from MS just like BG3 did and Xbox send people to help them with the port a lot of game had done before new and AA studio... Even so just like Forspoken the game could just be on Microsft Store not on Gampass Store so why not isnt like there is a deal that stop them to put in MS platform.
There is no Xbox tax stop it, the series S should not exist, you know it and anyone with common sense knows this. They aren’t the first devs to voice their displeasure about the series S let’s not act like this isn’t new. Don’t start sounding like the grifters who lie constantly.
There is absolutely an Xbox tax. The is objectively obvious. Also, a devs displeasure for the S is mutually exclusive to the S is not capable. Doc made some good points, maybe you should try and address them.
Y’all go ahead and believe that insane conspiracy theory smh. From day one M$ should have made the series X twice, one with the disc, one without and we wouldn’t be seeing devs complaining about the potato S. All y’all do is cap and make excuse for a trillion dollar company who’s done fvck all right this generation. They turned 90% of the base until cheapskate rentals who don’t even support the brand like they use to back during OG xbox, 360 days. Thats when I had actual respect for Xbox gamers
The true issue that no one is talking about is unreal engine 5, that thing is the optimization nemesis, every game released with it has several issues both on xbox and playstation, just look at silent hill 2 on ps5 at release, the ghosting and framerates was horrible, ffs, look at it with pssr on the pro, the devs literally had to remove pssr because of how hideous it looked, same thing with stalker 2, another terribly optimized game UE5 is still a very new engine, the devs are still having to adapt to it, but don't think this will get any better in the future, UE3 and UE4 are still stuttering kings to this very day, no matter how good your hardware is
so with that logic the ps5 was holding the generation back with crap performance so instead they make a pro which is barley any better than the series x for another 700 - 1000 extra. if you want to talk about a garbage console this generation look no further than the ps5!!!!! but ponies ignore all the scummy practices from Sony and instead deflect their disappointment on Xbox.. you know it, i know it, everybody knows it!!! Now get back to playing your 1 first party game per year as well as remakes and remasters.... but also claiming 3rd party money hatting as 1st party exclusives..... oh and stop the port begging for xbox games its embarrassing!!!
@@DARKZONE-ul2mx i am a pc gamer and owning an xbox gives me choice and felxabilty to play all games as well as use PC gamepass. PC will always be the best place to play!!!
If that is true then Switch is more trash. Devs should be able to cater for a wider range of current gen hardware, not constantly cater for next gen all the time. The Series S is weak, but it and low end PCs with 8GB, and Switch, should still be able to play at 720p / 30FPS, Series X / Ps5 be 4k / 60FPS, high end PCs be 8K / 120fps. Not being able to cater for wider hardware just restricts games reaching more people, then they wonder why game does not sell, and have to lay off staff or shut down games after 2 weeks. People should not need to be millionaires to play games, and PS5 pro plus disc drive be at double price of PS5 with disc drive built in, is a joke
The series IS a mistake and people need to accept it. Xbox messed up by releasing a weak console instead of going Sonys route. They took too long releasing the digital x
Microsoft knew what they were doing. Series S should never have been made. Microsoft threw developers under the bus by REQUIRING that they MUST design Series X games to run on MUCH weaker hardware. Microsoft KNEW this was an impossible task, but who gives a shit? So long as they get paid, right? 😒
I just wanna say, that this inexperienced team... In 2020 Developers were saying the PS5 was a GIFT TO DEVELOPERS... Were able to make a game for PS5 with Multiple Modes and A PS5 Pro patch with PSSR before...
Also didn't Game Science already submitted an Xbox copy and was rated by the ERSB in October? Someone is lying to increase buzz and awareness for physical copy releases on PS5 and Xbox
The Series S is a problem. Developers have been complaining about its 8GB of usable RAM for literally years. Stating that even experienced developers also dont know what they are talking about (iD software devs, Remedy, Larian Studios, etc.,.) then you are just fanboy that doesn't function in reality. They didnt say the game would never come to Xbox either... But it does require additional optimization work because the RAM amount is so neutered...
Great video Doc! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 The thing about sending the devs to help with BMW I don’t think Microsoft cares so much for it, I am certain they have their people at Rockstar to make GTA a priority instead. I think they’re ok with making a sacrifice for ensuring one of the biggest games of all time is able to run on the S.
Games that skipped XBOX Series S: Reynautis Black Myth Wukong Monochrome Mobius: Rights and Wrongs Forgotten Granblue Fantasy: Relink Final Fantasy VII Remake Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Final Fantasy XVI CRYMACHINA Super Robot Wars 30 Megaton Musashi: Wired Awaken: Astral Blade Wuthering Waves Zenless Zone Zero Honkai Star Rail Tuskihime: A Piece of the Blue Glass Moon Star Ocean: The Second Story R Eternights SaGa Frontier: Remastered SaGa Emerald Beyond Anonymous: Code Witch of the Holy Night UFO Robot Grendizer: The Feast of the Wolves Infinity NIKKI Mega Man Battle Network Collection American Showa Story Games that are on XBOX Series S: I’m sorry I don’t have enough experience to know that😂😂😂
It's ok I won't buy ANY of them for PC or PS5 BECAUSE they skipped Xbox. I have all platforms. If Devs or Sony don't support all, I don't support them. Sony is under the misguided impression that moneyhatting will make me buy their games. It won't.
I found out the real information it is because Sony has a silent quiet contract with Wukong supposed to be doing business with only with Sony it's basically a contract and there's nothing wrong with Xbox or the S-Series
This is a typical conspiracy theory that has always been able to gain traffic. As a Chinese player who loves Black Myth: Wukong, I’d like to share some information for reference. First, if you ask me why Game Science has been slow to release the game on Xbox, I believe it’s due to optimization issues. Game Science indeed lacks experience. As for the rumors about exclusivity agreements or them not seeking technical support from Microsoft, I don’t buy those theories. What’s the core logic behind my belief? It’s all about money-nobody turns their back on money. Currently, Black Myth: Wukong has sold approximately 22 million copies on Steam alone, not including sales on PS5, Epic Games Store, or China’s WeGame platform. I don’t think Sony’s financial reports suggest they could afford an exclusivity deal on this scale. Furthermore, based on Chinese business principles and habits, if there wasn’t exclusivity from the start, it’s unlikely they would deliberately avoid releasing on Xbox later. Chinese businesses value maintaining good relationships with all parties-harmony is paramount. Simply put, they wouldn’t go out of their way to alienate any platform. Besides, Sony doesn’t hold any stake in Game Science, so it couldn’t dictate their decisions in business. Lastly, here’s a common practice among Chinese entrepreneurs: “闷声发大财.” In other words, they prefer to focus on earning profits without much fanfare. After announcing that Black Myth sold over 10 million copies across all platforms within the first three days, Game Science has since released no further updates. Under a Weibo post shared by Doc about the game, when someone asked about the exact sales figures for Black Myth: Wukong, Feng Ji responded, “Let’s not talk about sales anymore.” I’m not a PS5 or Xbox player-I play on PC. I’m simply speaking up for Black Myth. Of course, you’re free to believe what you want. My information is intended for those who are open to thinking critically and considering alternative perspectives. Finally, enjoy the game and enjoy life.
To add a point: if there really were an exclusivity agreement, what would be the purpose of a timed exclusivity agreement? Commercial actions must follow commercial logic. Exclusivity agreements are usually meant to drive hardware sales, not to promote exclusivity for one of the hottest games on a console-doing so would make no commercial sense. Moreover, Black Myth: Wukong wasn’t exclusively released on the PS platform at launch. It also included Steam, Epic Games Store, and China’s WeGame platform. So tell me, what is the commercial purpose of this conspiracy theory about an exclusivity agreement?
@@nicekix3038 I think @S1V3L doesn’t realize that SM2 minimum ram requirement is 8. While black myth on the steam deck uses 12 gig of rams. I also think he doesn’t realize that the series S only have 10 gig of ram. What makes it worse, according to the statement that Microsoft released several month ago, they stated that they are helping game science to bring this game to Xbox platform. So going by Microsoft statement, Microsoft can’t even figure out how to optimize the game for the Xbox series S. At the end of the day, this is a developer skill issue and this is what game science is stating.
Just a thought, but doesn't Microsoft own Activision? How hard could it be to send over some technical expertise to the Black Myth dev team. Of course that all depends on if Xbox has not laid off too much talent..😁😁
@@rmaxime92 I was addressing the Black Myth dev's statement that lack of experience is the issue they are having to port the game to Xbox. Xbox owns studios with the expertise's to aid the BM team. It was just a thought, I know "hey bro, help me out" is not an actual way of forming a business collaboration.😃
@@sjneow lol I hear that. But you never know. Maybe with the right incentives, plus a lot of people here the word Microsoft & think they make it big. I’m sure they could find some real die hards to work on it. Maybe not enough people though
Thats ok if i wanted to play it, which i dont i can play it on my laptop and have it look better anyways.🤷♂️ Sorry for the edit, I left out a word.😂 I lowkey think Sony slipped them some bread not to release it.
Still means the S isn't good enough. That was their first game, all platforms they didn't have experience. We aren't talking about skipping. The S is why the X doesn't outshine the PS5. The series S is about a 1650, it's only 1 generation at the same 50 lvel card you say would be understandable if things didn't come. S might be the most optimized console of all time lol.
@@SNKev411 What about the games the S can run ? If what you're saying is true then how do some games that shouldn't run well on the S run so well on it atm?. If this is just about WK then how does it run on a steam deck?
@@SNKev411How is it holding the generation back? Are you insinuating that because the console is slightly weaker it's somehow having a negative affect on the console market? If so, then that's a ridiculous take since when does console power have anything to do with success of the platform during their respective generation 😂😂 Every console gen has more powerful consoles and less powerful ones, and many times the less powerful consoles ends up being the better gaming device so that can't be the reason why
It's a good thing Doc hasn't played Black Myth Wukong. He would probably shoot the employee at Walmart that sold him his PC. This guy is on a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL OF MAD 😤😠😡🤬💢
Phil spencer and other Xbox folks have come out and stated that Black Myth devs never once reported to Xbox about having issues specifically regarding optimizing or having any issues with developing for the Xbox platform. So actually, Doc, I gotta be real, you don't owe them any kind of apologies. Xbox is on record sending out Xbox engineer teams to developers who are trying to tune their games for the Xbox. I mean it's clear as day there is some weird stuff at play. Just look at the way Xbox and MS engaged with the issues that BG3 had, they even took full accountability with Larian studio having issues optimizing and said they were working towards finding solutions and had an Xbox team assist. The way Xbox/MS is speaking on this one is completely different.
As a PC player, I have little trust in Microsoft. For reference, take the game Enotria: The Last Song developed by the Italian studio Jyamma Games. Jyamma Games' CEO, Jacky Greco, revealed that they had completed development of the Xbox version and sent the necessary notifications to Microsoft. However, to everyone’s surprise, Microsoft failed to respond for over two months, which directly led to uncertainty regarding the Xbox version's release date. The issue was only resolved after it gained traction online, prompting Phil Spencer, the head of the Xbox division, to personally intervene.
To add a point: if there really were an exclusivity agreement, what would be the purpose of a timed exclusivity agreement? Commercial actions must follow commercial logic. Exclusivity agreements are usually meant to drive hardware sales, not to promote exclusivity for one of the hottest games on a console-doing so would make no commercial sense. Moreover, Black Myth: Wukong wasn’t exclusively released on the PS platform at launch. It also included Steam, Epic Games Store, and China’s WeGame platform. So tell me, what is the commercial purpose of this conspiracy theory about an exclusivity agreement?
@@Whereareyoufrom-iz1mk That's not actually the entire story behind that game ... this is the problem. So many of you only get one piece to the story and ends up being the part that just makes Xbox look bad and everyone hyper focuses on it and causes damage to brand. Then weird stuff happens with other platforms and it's in the news for a minute and it also typically has zero brand damage. First off - that Italian game studio had multiple stories reported on through out the year and you only saw/heard about that last one that made Xbox look bad. They literally made announcements social media saying decided to stop development of the Xbox version back in the first few months of the year and had nothing to do with not being able to contact Xbox and MS and said something about focusing their time on PC and PlayStation and would consider further development of the Xbox variant, but only once they had got their game done and shipped on PC and PlayStation. Then suddenly months later they come out talking about how the game is basically done already for the Xbox but can't be certified or whatever because they couldn't reach Xbox, it was the most outlandish thing ever. Yes, apparently during that specific time that they were trying to contact MS/Xbox, they were in fact having a tough time reaching anyone. Wanna know why?? This was the same time that the entire MS company had been compromised by Russia, this was all over the news a while back .. MS corp went on high alert and were flagging things and taking extra precautions and being extremely sensitive and careful with communications and etc. They since, have corrected these issues and taking different actions to improve their processes. At the time, that game studios contact info and site was also a mess and was unprotected and not secure, ACG, the content creator/game reviewer mentioned this as well.
They still never denied the deal with PS which is interesting imo. I do believe they're having issues with the series s, but why not deny the deal if it isnt true?
@chriscollins3225 I hate to break it to you, but deals are made all the time that the public won't know about for years, if ever. The ftc has little authority over 2 Asian companies. What would they do even if they did?
@@ltzJB The question is, why would Sony make an exclusive deal for Black Myth Wukong, and not market the game as a PS exclusive? What’s the point of making an exclusive deal, if you aren’t gonna let anyone know about it? The whole point of exclusivity is to drive platform adoption. Sony marketed Final Fantasy, Silent Hill 2, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, HellDivers 2, Tekken 8, Sonic & Shadow Generations, and even Foamstars💀, but they aren’t gonna market one of the biggest games to release in 2024? That logic is simply not adding up.
@nicekix3038 Why do they need to market it? If the game isn't available on xbox, they win regardless. They spent $0 on marketing and achieved they same results.
@@ltzJB asian companies that's racist bro Also I wasn't never speaking about publicly I'm talking about regulation there is a difference between that distinction One is Japanese the other is Chinese Also hate to break it to you but there is more than 1 regulation in the world FTC I used as a example which is for America The one for Japan is called CERO The one for China is called NPPA All games around the world have to be approved by regulation practices before release ANYWHERE around the world There is no secret exclusivity deals with this in mind regulation has to approve such practices like we saw in the ABK deal
The developers are to lazy to optimize their games its that simple i dont buy shitty optimized games anymore. $70 is a lot for a video game and it better run great or i wont even think about buying it.
@@samrhecker9636 they can 1 party games run great and enjoy paying full price of $70 for every game on overpricedstation. and game pass is better then anything sony has to offer🤣
@@hvdiv17 Black Myth Wukong sold over 20 million copies without an Xbox port. Game Science doesn’t need Xbox tbh. Also Black Myth Wukong isn’t $70, it’s $60
The problem is the series X is capable of running the game now but it's not on X because of series S. Instead of calling out MS to remove this restriction he is again defending and holding the line. Pathetic.
he's still a BOT. he just found a refuge on PC after losing the console war with the power narrative . trust me, his 700 PC he bought from wallmart still cannot outperform the PS5Pro🤣
Doc no first the Xbox community was saying the game was money-hated Bro stop the cap with your Xbox tax You make me mad Wukong was released on PC, Wukong was released on PS5, They patched the PS5 version and released a Pro version the truth is Microsoft could make Starfield work on Android OS they need time and experience And still, Microsoft is the problem if Series S can't play the game why not release it on the Series X only I can personally understand the 10 GB memory argument And you should too as a Pc game what I am saying is we have a PC version, a PS5 version, a PS5 patch, and a PS5 Pro version is releasing a game on Xbox 10 times harder than making a PS5 Pro version
Still defending Xbox even though you jumped to PC. Stop fronting already and move on. You know damn well games running on the S are gonna look like 💩 if they get ported on there and you yourself wouldn’t play on that system.
Xbox first party studio that makes halo don't know how to optimize for series s. They can't help either so it the FUCKING HARDWARE the problem. If it was just one dev then it's a skill issue. It's 2 handful of complaints from devs risking their relationship with Microsoft to speak out about the trouble hardware. You can not talk around this and xbotXplain yourself out of this. Devs hate this hardware and a good console is a console anyone can use and easiest to use the better the product will be. Microsoft is dumb as fuck they made a barely upgrade console which is making dev hate working on Xbox version of games. How is that good?
Didn’t Xbox come out and say it wasn’t the consoles. It’s probably still a dodgy pony deal. Sony dies without these deals whilst Xbox can take misses easily. It’s pound shop v Sainsbury’s.
@ They all lie. They’re corporations wanting our money of course they lie. Just one of them is more prosumer than the other though. Still think Sony has a bit to do with this BMW Malarkey.
@Mr.Eldric PlayStation nor Nintendo hasn't lied at all this gen Business doesn't work like that you can't have a secret exclusivity deal when regulation exists like the FTC That would have definitely came up in court during the ABK deal Stop believing the nonsense Microsoft has continued to backpedal it's promises all generation I'm going to believe Game Science the developer of the game that isn't owned by Sony before I believe Microsoft who has lied to all of us all gen more than 5 times
@ its friggin Phil Spencer. He said they wouldn’t do that. They could money hat everything with the resources they have. But it’s Xbox. They do the strangest things.
Xbox series S sucks if you think otherwise then your the problem i say this and say this again xbox players always bumping themselves with the same rock 🪨
Cope harder. The potato machine got huge limitations. It's full of false advertising. Not a 1440p machine, not 60 frames machine, not a ray tracing machine and never was next Gen. The compromises on all games are huge. Dynamic 720p is standard.
Xbox made their own consoles irrelevant remember every thing is an Xbox so just don't buy an Xbox...no one can optimize the 10 gigs remember we been waiting since 2020 the only ppl who knocked it out the park was Indian Jones...even u switch to pc most of the Xbox players are moving from Xbox. We can't be mad at devs cuz the game is fire and they are a new studio. Xbox console is dying and dev don't wanna waste time and money making gazillion dollar games on a platform that don't sell games...wu Kong dev are new to the industry lol we didn't even think the game was really going to come out cuz no one knows this studio....yes they are underexperienced but they did male a Banger xbox should just fund the port as this point lol
This is true, when Cyberpunk came out pretty much broken. It wasn't a CDProjectRed issue, it was all hardware issue. Yet people picked on the devs for no reason, haha. Your position is so smart and nuanced. Here is your gold star
@@KillaSin515 oh, really! You don't say! It's almost as if Devs are responsible for optimizing their games and the OP doesn't really know what they are talking about. Its like saying the PS5 is flawed because Black Myth Wukong was poorly optimized for the ps5 at launch
I don't think MS made the console irrelevant. They're just expanding the way in which you game. For the console player that wants to play on console that option's still there. We, as console gamers, need to realize we are now the minority. But most console players are acting as if we are the majority. Based on the player count, consoles in general are irrelevant. It's the smallest piece of the gaming puzzle. It lags behind PC gaming and Mobile gaming. Currently mobile gaming is the biggest. In order for companies to stay around long-term and maintain success and stay relevant they have to adjust to the market and that's all Microsoft is doing. So instead of Microsoft getting out of the console business, they're now saying hey, we'll meet those players on their mobile devices and on their PCs and still keep the console around. What's wrong with that? if you primarily play on console. Why would it bother you if one purchase of a Microsoft game gave you the option to play it on console PC and Mobile.... Sounds like a win to me.
@Doc. The delusional ponies in the comments are hilarious. Like for real, nobody cares if Wukong not on Xbox yet, it’s coming. Either way we are too busy playing games. Like Indiana Jones & Stalker 2. 😂 bragging about Wukong when it played like trash on PS5. Yes I have one, got a refund & play Wukong on PC now. On top of all the fun games on Gamepass. Glad ima not a beta tester 😂
@ 😂 you mean the same series S that plays Indiana Jones & stellar blade with no issues. Same games that literally crap on anything Sony has out currently. Same Series S that has run 99 percent of every game this generation with no issues. Even baldurs gate 3, it runs great. The only issue was split screen for the Series S. 😂 oh wow that’s such a big problem. You’re a joke, just like your stable mates. 😂 and i already played Wukong
I agree with Doc’s take, I read the original post in chinese and the tone of the post reflects the director’s own lack of experience, he wasnt blaming Microsoft at all…
of course he wasnt blaming Microsoft, though if the Series S just have 12GB or 16GB of RAM then this wont be a problem. We should push A trillion dollar company to do better than this instead of expecting a small indie studio to bend over their knees to optimize their game.
Yes but also they can send a letter to MS asking for Help with Port... BG3 did the same a got help from Xbox sho what is stoping them to do the same? Isnt like there is a deal or something
Black Myth director Wukong confirmed today that the game is not on Xbox due to the Xbox Series S sharing 10GB of RAM.
@@sjneowon the developer if they had the ability to make a steam deck version no excuse to not have a series s
Devs like any other occupation will run a gamut of experience, resources, etc. This was game science's 1st attempt at a triple A pc/console title (their prev experience was 2 mobile games) and they started with 30 devs. To expect everything to be polished or scoped to the likes of an insomniac or rockstar is stupid. Itd be like expecting an amateur rookie boxer to fight the reigning champ and not get his brains beat in.
The fact they got such a good looking game to run reasonably well on pc/ps5 is already a laudable feat. Xbox series x players could be enjoying the gamë if the series S didnt exist. MS is making devs jobs harder by releasing a weaker system and asking them to make a game perform on both systems. MS also did not sell enough units to really make the extra effort worth the roi for some studios.
Its the PLATFORMS responsibility to make a system/ecosystem that is developer friendly and to sell enough units to make the roi worthwhile.
At the end of the day, yall can complain about the developers lack of experience or technical ability but pc gamers and ps gamers got to enjoy black myth and series x owners could have if the S didnt exist. And now because ms cant admit the S has limitations you got a whole brainwashed, tinfoil hat console cult telling devs theyre lazy and liars.
You gotta remember doc that most of the media are ponies too
Lol i dont know why but just the word ponies is funny af 😂. But you right bro i swear everyone tries to suck up to playstation.
@smwfreak1647 they have to or they won't get no more passes to press events or review codes as Sony's known to cut ties with press who give them bad reviews or bad press etc
Exactly this. Look no further than Stevivor. When they gave out a couple of 7/10 reviews to Sony first party titles they stopped getting review codes.
Stevivor is one of the gaming media outlets who gives 💩 xbox games high rating because of the free review codes 🤣
Stop it. Not too long ago almost every youtube channel was promoting x box game pass. You couldn’t go to any channel in the media without hearing about the service. Everybody was promoting and talking about it, saying it was the best deal gaming etc etc. And that still wasn’t enough to get the public to go out and buy a series x/s. The media always sways depending on who’s paying, giving gifts, early access or flying them out.
According to the site howlongtobeat around 70% to 80% of games on series s run at 60fps
As a Chinese player who loves Black Myth: Wukong, I’d like to share some information for reference. First, if you ask me why Game Science has been slow to release the game on Xbox, I believe it’s due to optimization issues. Game Science indeed lacks experience. As for the rumors about exclusivity agreements or them not seeking technical support from Microsoft, I don’t buy those theories. What’s the core logic behind my belief? It’s all about money-nobody turns their back on money.
Currently, Black Myth: Wukong has sold approximately 22 million copies on Steam alone, not including sales on PS5, Epic Games Store, or China’s WeGame platform. I don’t think Sony’s financial reports suggest they could afford an exclusivity deal on this scale. Furthermore, based on Chinese business principles and habits, if there wasn’t exclusivity from the start, it’s unlikely they would deliberately avoid releasing on Xbox later. Chinese businesses value maintaining good relationships with all parties-harmony is paramount. Simply put, they wouldn’t go out of their way to alienate any platform. Besides, Sony doesn’t hold any stake in Game Science, so it couldn’t dictate their decisions in business.
Lastly, here’s a common practice among Chinese entrepreneurs: “闷声发大财” In other words, they prefer to focus on earning profits without much fanfare. After announcing that Black Myth sold over 10 million copies across all platforms within the first three days, Game Science has since released no further updates. Under a Weibo post shared by Doc about the game, when someone asked about the exact sales figures for Black Myth: Wukong, Feng Ji responded, “Let’s not talk about sales anymore.”
I’m not a PS5 or Xbox player-I play on PC. I’m simply speaking up for Black Myth. Of course, you’re free to believe what you want. My information is intended for those who are open to thinking critically and considering alternative perspectives.
Finally, enjoy the game and enjoy life.
说得好 I totally agree with this dude. His comments on how most Chinese businesses run are on the spot. There wouldn’t be any incentives for GS to not release the game on XBOX on purpose, that would be just wasted profit+ bad rep. Owning up to the responsibility is the right thing to do and for a studio started with 30 developers in total, I guess that is the best that you could ask for, and they surely did their best to make the game enjoyed by millions of players around the globe. Don’t be blindly brainwashed by those medias. Be open minded and see what’s really happening.
I thought you were a PC gamer now not a xbot you shouldn't be talking about xbox tax lmao
He is an Xbot.
Everything is xbox.
Xbox is a PC too.
@@LastRazerEater he's talking about the console not the PC platform
This shouldn't effect or matter to him why is he upset ?
Bots in shambles already in 2025 it’s gonna be a long year 😂
Really I play on PC I get all your games and xbox titles too. No need for PS consoles also I have a SERIES X for my back log of over 400+ games I have not brought a game for my XBOX in over a year
@@tallguy-gaminguk1316 Why do you PC guys need validation from us console gamers 😂 you're admitting PC is nothing without CONSOLE exclusives
@Dadee3 I game on XBSX too. I play PC for my PlayStation games F fan boys of XBOX PC & PS I play on all formats I don't discriminate against any gamers I hate HARD-CORE gamers no matter what system they're on. All gamers should enjoy gaming but FAN BOYS play Twitter I don't
@Dadee3 wrong PC has more exclusive titles than SONY with it money hatting games. PLAYSTATION has no exclusives because sony is a 3rd party publisher FACT they play and look better PS. All games should be on every platform period exclusives are dying out
@@tallguy-gaminguk1316 That's funny, all these PC exclusives and NONE of them win any game of the year awards 😂 😂
It’s been 2 days and we already are shouting Xbox Tax 🤦🏻♂️
Depends when does the xbox tax year start and end?
@ I think it never started, so it can never end!!
Docs fired up, XD.
Black myth wukong developers sold 20 million copies they can careless for making it for series S.
who cares lol
Black Myth director Wukong confirmed today that the game is not on Xbox due to the Xbox Series S sharing 10GB of RAM.
Yea most games skipping Xbox cause of low sales more than anything
Same reason Square Enix said that they are no longer going PS exclusive.
@Rudy-ft2fs they are mostly talking about PC and switch.
The would've long forgotten about Xbox if it wasn't for Microsoft always whining to them.
@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et That's lie and revisionist history. All Ponies do is lie
@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et keep lying to yourself if they going to forget Xbox but here we are....
@@Rudy-ft2fsfalse. Exclusives in general. That goes for Nintendo since Nintendo got majority of exclusives out of all 3 consoles. 2nd. Xbox players support square enix the least
You mean to tell me PlayStation didn't have a secret exclusivity deal... Oh brother... 😂😂😂
Why do you care you can play that game on your PC
Facts 😂
If Baldur's Gate 3 got an exemption from the Xbox Parity Clause, so can Black Myth: WuKong.
But y’all run with the Sony money hat though
Because the possibility is there since is a SOny thing and the dev didnt even come out and said isnt a exclusive so that doesnt help too
@@aryferreira2375 even if the Dev didn't come out and they say. XBOX was saying there was a deal when they knew what the problem was... That's pathetic behaviour for a million dollar company...
Totally agree. The spin was the S is a problem when actually some devs are more savy with the tech than most. Perfect theory.
The Wukong makers started as a 1-man project and they founded and built the studio during the development process. I can forgive them their inexperienced with optimization. They just lack the specialists for.
They can officialy ask for MS help so they can send people to help them with the port a lot of indie and AA game did the samething and Xbox help them so why this time is diferent? Insteant he is issuing the problem in a social media? Come on im a PC user but that is kind wack no? if so they could just put on Microsft Store
@@aryferreira2375 you're a PC user? do you know what a *"MINIMUM HARDWARE REQUIREMENT"* is?
The game runs fine on the steam deck so their is no reason they cant get it to run on the S. Space marine/ indy/ hellblade and more run fine on the S and look better than Wtkong
sd 16GB ram really makes the difference, it is nearlly doubled (xss has only 8GB usable ram)
If a Steam Deck can run the game with less than a Series S at 10GB should be fine if something with only access to 8GB can run the game. Doesn't really add up. If a Series S can run Hellblade 2 and Indiana Jones and those other graphically intensive games, then Black Myth Wukong should have no trouble at all getting there. It already runs on a Steam Deck.
steam deck cannot run the game at 1080p 60fps. heck, it barely even runs at stable 720p 40 fps. 🤣
wait doesn't the steam deck have 16gb of shared ram ? the series s only has 10gb of shared ram cuz that would make a huge difference. also, at what resolution is the game running on the deck 800p 30fps with frs?
@@LCJammer the series s has a spilt ram config of 8GB+2GB. 8GB usable for games.
the best settings for wukong on steam deck is at 720p with fps limiter at 40. not advisable to FSR because it causes input lag
@@LCJammeryes
@samrhecker9636 series s has more gpu and cpu performance than steamdeck..
But it has 10gb of ram..
That being said they could lower graphical settings and run the game at 900p 30 fps if needs be...
The devs are incompetent
People cheer when the underdog is getting smack down and he gets back up. But after so many bitch slaps and xbox shows zero progress.... just stay down champ, your done. This year doc is gona realize his limit for capping and finally stay down.
Imagine owning a Craigbox in 2025 😂
Its still not right. They can make it run on the steamdeck but not the series s. There has to be a deal in place so ina have to believe microsoft and what they said twice already. They cannot comment on deals from other platforms.
nope the series s design is just flawed there is no deal you have to believe in Microsoft when they have lied to you all gen lol
@@chriscollins3225no it's not, they just want the bag.
There's a lot of calling Doc names in this comment section, yet not one person took him up on the challenge he issued. Funny how that works.
they want another bag
Xbox miracle 2025 already off to an expected start 😂😂😂
The Switch 2 will be less powerful than a Series S and publishers will flock to support it. Series S is not the problem. The reality is that video game publishers are holding the generation back because they want their games on as many devices as possible. Remember the massive marketing deal Sony had with Resident Evil Village when these consoles launched? That games runs great on my iPhone 16. All these games run on the Steam Deck. Not to mention the fact that most of the games from the last 4 years were also on PS4. This generation feels the way it does because the economics of video games have changed.
Exactly, where there is a will there is a way. But Xbox simply just isn't lucrative enough for some devs to invest time in getting their software to work on the Series S.
Microsoft already said help is available but they don't want it because they have a deal with Sony
There's levels to the Series S : on, off ... and spluttering in between.
Imagine you have a car that runs ALMOST everyday. The only 2 times it didn’t run it made you miss your flight and your graduation… Does it still feel like a good purchase?
Further proof the Xbox Series S shouldn’t exist. Microsoft should’ve just released a digital only Xbox series X instead of the series S. Going forward for next-gen, Microsoft should only release a high powered $700+ console, since they are a 3rd party publisher mainly now and they most likely wont ever be in 1st place, in the console marketplace. Make the Xbox the best console to play their games on, even if they go to PlayStation. Coming from a PS5 Pro guy…
Microsoft and Xbox just need to stop playing the good guy roll. Bury these dudes already. They know PS is making these under the table deals. Don’t you think if it was possible Xbox would of already helped them port it already. Microsoft needs to stop getting bullied and be the bully already. Its not personal its business.
It's impressive. Even after this. Bots still believe Sony is paying. Can't stop laughing with all the crying. Don't be cheap and buy a proper console.
@ Im a Series X and PC owner so thats that. It’s not “if” but when it comes out that PS is money hatting the game, come back like a good little pony and apologize. You wont tho you will move the goal post like always.
Why do you own an Xbox when you already have a PC? That's just limiting the games you can get, many games are still locked to Playstation AND you get a unique experience because of the dualsense controller. Maybe your PC sucks or you're just a filthy fanboy.
You do know PS games are on PC right lol 🤣 why would you own a PlayStation when you could play the superior version of a PlayStation game is the question ? I switch back and forth from PC to my Xbox Seamlessly. I have choices. Console when i want to relax and PC when i want to get competitive or play a superior version of a PlayStation game , Emulation or PC only games. Like this guy Doc says theres levels to this.
did you not say Sony is broke? 🤣
This is becoming black mail
Imagine if PC gaming had a parity policy. That's how stupid it is.
Where I stopped watching this video, was where DocDark said.
*- What the Black Myth developers actually said, was....*
the only Xbox tax is XsS RAM Tax
This is just complete and pure BS. If the Steam Deck can run the game just fine a Series S can do the same and it's really no issue at all. It's much weaker hardware by comparison so if it can run on that hardware it can run on the other.
@@severinevans346 steam deck cannot run the game at 1080p 60fps. heck, it barely even runs at stable 720p 40 fps. 🤣
@@severinevans346 Steam deck has 16 GB RAM. devs never said anything about CPU/GPU just RAM
steam deck has a unified RAM while the series s has a split-ram config of 8GB+2GB.
the 8GB usable RAM for games is the bottleneck. *8GB RAM* for games this gen is trash! 🤣
@@samrhecker9636 720P will look fine on Switch, but I know what you mean
At least he admitted it was a skill issue. They need to ask for help if they need help!
Mannn xbox fan girls really are the biggest victims in gaming. Everyone else has an issue except xbox. Fact is the 2 biggest AAA titles, 2 years in a row couldnt launch on xbox day 1 - As you say "actions speak louder than words". XBOX IS THE PROBLEM NOT THE INDUSTRY!!
So they release it on PC with specs lower than the Series S but they can't on the Series S???
I never see devs moan about putting games on Switch. They either do it or not do it, there is no cry! It is like they set out deliberately to make Xbox look bad. It is weird to publicly state you are inexperienced, and lower your reputation as skilled developers. it just seems like a red herring and they deliberately make it need more than 10GB to keep it off Xbox.
How about devs complaining, & games coming out late like baldurs gate 3?
So called PC gamer getting emotional and defensive about a budget console. 🤣🤣🤣 sad stuff, man.
When the switch two releases, everybody keep the same energy
All this Black Myth this is so wierd like if there is a problem to port there is ways to solver it.
They could official request help from MS just like BG3 did and Xbox send people to help them with the port a lot of game had done before new and AA studio... Even so just like Forspoken the game could just be on Microsft Store not on Gampass Store so why not isnt like there is a deal that stop them to put in MS platform.
New year, same ol crying.
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And this is a stupid comment 🙄
@@alexsnake6746 you are absolutely right about the description of your comment! 🤣
Correction : it's a Series S !
@@djsuth7727 hahaha
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The Xbox (Nintendo Switch Edition) is holding yall back g.
There is no Xbox tax stop it, the series S should not exist, you know it and anyone with common sense knows this. They aren’t the first devs to voice their displeasure about the series S let’s not act like this isn’t new.
Don’t start sounding like the grifters who lie constantly.
There is absolutely an Xbox tax. The is objectively obvious. Also, a devs displeasure for the S is mutually exclusive to the S is not capable. Doc made some good points, maybe you should try and address them.
Y’all go ahead and believe that insane conspiracy theory smh. From day one M$ should have made the series X twice, one with the disc, one without and we wouldn’t be seeing devs complaining about the potato S.
All y’all do is cap and make excuse for a trillion dollar company who’s done fvck all right this generation. They turned 90% of the base until cheapskate rentals who don’t even support the brand like they use to back during OG xbox, 360 days. Thats when I had actual respect for Xbox gamers
@@samash4917 you’re absolutely delusional.
Chinese devs aren't experienced with American hardware😮 shocking 😂
The true issue that no one is talking about is unreal engine 5, that thing is the optimization nemesis, every game released with it has several issues both on xbox and playstation, just look at silent hill 2 on ps5 at release, the ghosting and framerates was horrible, ffs, look at it with pssr on the pro, the devs literally had to remove pssr because of how hideous it looked, same thing with stalker 2, another terribly optimized game
UE5 is still a very new engine, the devs are still having to adapt to it, but don't think this will get any better in the future, UE3 and UE4 are still stuttering kings to this very day, no matter how good your hardware is
2025 is a year for acceptance.
Sorry but Xbox series s is trash and will Continue to hold Xbox series x back
so with that logic the ps5 was holding the generation back with crap performance so instead they make a pro which is barley any better than the series x for another 700 - 1000 extra.
if you want to talk about a garbage console this generation look no further than the ps5!!!!!
but ponies ignore all the scummy practices from Sony and instead deflect their disappointment on Xbox.. you know it, i know it, everybody knows it!!! Now get back to playing your 1 first party game per year as well as remakes and remasters.... but also claiming 3rd party money hatting as 1st party exclusives..... oh and stop the port begging for xbox games its embarrassing!!!
@plummleys4514 in my eyes both Playstation and Xbox suck you really want the best in gaming go PC console can't handle the games that are comeing
@@DARKZONE-ul2mx i am a pc gamer and owning an xbox gives me choice and felxabilty to play all games as well as use PC gamepass.
PC will always be the best place to play!!!
@plummleys4514 there is no reason to own a Xbox or Playstation anymore
If that is true then Switch is more trash. Devs should be able to cater for a wider range of current gen hardware, not constantly cater for next gen all the time. The Series S is weak, but it and low end PCs with 8GB, and Switch, should still be able to play at 720p / 30FPS, Series X / Ps5 be 4k / 60FPS, high end PCs be 8K / 120fps. Not being able to cater for wider hardware just restricts games reaching more people, then they wonder why game does not sell, and have to lay off staff or shut down games after 2 weeks. People should not need to be millionaires to play games, and PS5 pro plus disc drive be at double price of PS5 with disc drive built in, is a joke
The series IS a mistake and people need to accept it. Xbox messed up by releasing a weak console instead of going Sonys route. They took too long releasing the digital x
My words exactly 👍
Microsoft knew what they were doing. Series S should never have been made. Microsoft threw developers under the bus by REQUIRING that they MUST design Series X games to run on MUCH weaker hardware. Microsoft KNEW this was an impossible task, but who gives a shit? So long as they get paid, right? 😒
I just wanna say, that this inexperienced team... In 2020 Developers were saying the PS5 was a GIFT TO DEVELOPERS... Were able to make a game for PS5 with Multiple Modes and A PS5 Pro patch with PSSR before...
Also didn't Game Science already submitted an Xbox copy and was rated by the ERSB in October? Someone is lying to increase buzz and awareness for physical copy releases on PS5 and Xbox
Stalker 2 runs on the XBOX Series S. Everytime when a developer says, that the XBOX Series S is the problem, i want to point out Stalker 2.
The Series S is a problem. Developers have been complaining about its 8GB of usable RAM for literally years. Stating that even experienced developers also dont know what they are talking about (iD software devs, Remedy, Larian Studios, etc.,.) then you are just fanboy that doesn't function in reality. They didnt say the game would never come to Xbox either... But it does require additional optimization work because the RAM amount is so neutered...
Great video Doc! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
The thing about sending the devs to help with BMW I don’t think Microsoft cares so much for it, I am certain they have their people at Rockstar to make GTA a priority instead. I think they’re ok with making a sacrifice for ensuring one of the biggest games of all time is able to run on the S.
Games that skipped XBOX Series S:
Reynautis
Black Myth Wukong
Monochrome Mobius: Rights and Wrongs Forgotten
Granblue Fantasy: Relink
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Final Fantasy XVI
CRYMACHINA
Super Robot Wars 30
Megaton Musashi: Wired
Awaken: Astral Blade
Wuthering Waves
Zenless Zone Zero
Honkai Star Rail
Tuskihime: A Piece of the Blue Glass Moon
Star Ocean: The Second Story R
Eternights
SaGa Frontier: Remastered
SaGa Emerald Beyond
Anonymous: Code
Witch of the Holy Night
UFO Robot Grendizer: The Feast of the Wolves
Infinity NIKKI
Mega Man Battle Network Collection
American Showa Story
Games that are on XBOX Series S:
I’m sorry I don’t have enough experience to know that😂😂😂
It's ok I won't buy ANY of them for PC or PS5 BECAUSE they skipped Xbox.
I have all platforms. If Devs or Sony don't support all, I don't support them.
Sony is under the misguided impression that moneyhatting will make me buy their games.
It won't.
I found out the real information it is because Sony has a silent quiet contract with Wukong supposed to be doing business with only with Sony it's basically a contract and there's nothing wrong with Xbox or the S-Series
This is a typical conspiracy theory that has always been able to gain traffic.
As a Chinese player who loves Black Myth: Wukong, I’d like to share some information for reference. First, if you ask me why Game Science has been slow to release the game on Xbox, I believe it’s due to optimization issues. Game Science indeed lacks experience. As for the rumors about exclusivity agreements or them not seeking technical support from Microsoft, I don’t buy those theories. What’s the core logic behind my belief? It’s all about money-nobody turns their back on money.
Currently, Black Myth: Wukong has sold approximately 22 million copies on Steam alone, not including sales on PS5, Epic Games Store, or China’s WeGame platform. I don’t think Sony’s financial reports suggest they could afford an exclusivity deal on this scale. Furthermore, based on Chinese business principles and habits, if there wasn’t exclusivity from the start, it’s unlikely they would deliberately avoid releasing on Xbox later. Chinese businesses value maintaining good relationships with all parties-harmony is paramount. Simply put, they wouldn’t go out of their way to alienate any platform. Besides, Sony doesn’t hold any stake in Game Science, so it couldn’t dictate their decisions in business.
Lastly, here’s a common practice among Chinese entrepreneurs: “闷声发大财.” In other words, they prefer to focus on earning profits without much fanfare. After announcing that Black Myth sold over 10 million copies across all platforms within the first three days, Game Science has since released no further updates. Under a Weibo post shared by Doc about the game, when someone asked about the exact sales figures for Black Myth: Wukong, Feng Ji responded, “Let’s not talk about sales anymore.”
I’m not a PS5 or Xbox player-I play on PC. I’m simply speaking up for Black Myth. Of course, you’re free to believe what you want. My information is intended for those who are open to thinking critically and considering alternative perspectives.
Finally, enjoy the game and enjoy life.
To add a point: if there really were an exclusivity agreement, what would be the purpose of a timed exclusivity agreement? Commercial actions must follow commercial logic. Exclusivity agreements are usually meant to drive hardware sales, not to promote exclusivity for one of the hottest games on a console-doing so would make no commercial sense.
Moreover, Black Myth: Wukong wasn’t exclusively released on the PS platform at launch. It also included Steam, Epic Games Store, and China’s WeGame platform. So tell me, what is the commercial purpose of this conspiracy theory about an exclusivity agreement?
Accept the fact that Xbox isn't wanted in the Gaming Industry
The end Result, the game isn’t on Xbox because of the series S 😂
Poor Xbots starting off the new year with more L's. New year, New L's 😂
They should pick up the phone and talk to Space Marines II devs
Didn't Microsoft release a statement stating that they are helping the devs with the game?
Talk to Space Marine 2 devs for what?
@@nicekix3038 I think @S1V3L doesn’t realize that SM2 minimum ram requirement is 8. While black myth on the steam deck uses 12 gig of rams. I also think he doesn’t realize that the series S only have 10 gig of ram. What makes it worse, according to the statement that Microsoft released several month ago, they stated that they are helping game science to bring this game to Xbox platform. So going by Microsoft statement, Microsoft can’t even figure out how to optimize the game for the Xbox series S. At the end of the day, this is a developer skill issue and this is what game science is stating.
Diary of a mad pc gamer that likes xbox... but can play xbox games on pc, so he's an xbox Gamer that plays on pc 😂
That game runs like azz on everything. Google Black Myth vs 4090. 🤷♂️
not really runs fine on my 4080 super
@wildgamer-h8i yeah, with dlss and fg, but try it raw dog with the settings maxed out. 🤨
Just a thought, but doesn't Microsoft own Activision? How hard could it be to send over some technical expertise to the Black Myth dev team. Of course that all depends on if Xbox has not laid off too much talent..😁😁
😂 bro what? Read what you typed. What does Microsoft owning ABK have to do with what’s going on.
@@rmaxime92 I was addressing the Black Myth dev's statement that lack of experience is the issue they are having to port the game to Xbox. Xbox owns studios with the expertise's to aid the BM team. It was just a thought, I know "hey bro, help me out" is not an actual way of forming a business collaboration.😃
@@kellhound8645 😯 oh ok my bad bro. I was just confused. You are absolutely correct. Same way they helped out the Stalker 2 devs.
depends if they can find people who want to work China hours
@@sjneow lol I hear that. But you never know. Maybe with the right incentives, plus a lot of people here the word Microsoft & think they make it big. I’m sure they could find some real die hards to work on it. Maybe not enough people though
The Series S is more powerful than a rog ally. It performs well enough on that, all be it 720p with low settings
Thats ok if i wanted to play it, which i dont i can play it on my laptop and have it look better anyways.🤷♂️
Sorry for the edit, I left out a word.😂
I lowkey think Sony slipped them some bread not to release it.
Doc welcome back to the Parkside@ xbox tax
What does it matter? MS ain’t concerned with console enough to care about trying to get this game released in the first place.
Still means the S isn't good enough. That was their first game, all platforms they didn't have experience.
We aren't talking about skipping. The S is why the X doesn't outshine the PS5.
The series S is about a 1650, it's only 1 generation at the same 50 lvel card you say would be understandable if things didn't come. S might be the most optimized console of all time lol.
The Xbox consoles are really holding back generation. I don’t know why it’s so hard for you to say that.
Because u are wrong.
@ then why are developers struggling with this console? And the reason why is because it’s holding back the generation #30FPSbrigade at lunch
@SNKev411 are u on crack or meth lil bro 😂😂
@@SNKev411 What about the games the S can run ? If what you're saying is true then how do some games that shouldn't run well on the S run so well on it atm?. If this is just about WK then how does it run on a steam deck?
@@SNKev411How is it holding the generation back? Are you insinuating that because the console is slightly weaker it's somehow having a negative affect on the console market? If so, then that's a ridiculous take since when does console power have anything to do with success of the platform during their respective generation 😂😂 Every console gen has more powerful consoles and less powerful ones, and many times the less powerful consoles ends up being the better gaming device so that can't be the reason why
It's a good thing Doc hasn't played Black Myth Wukong. He would probably shoot the employee at Walmart that sold him his PC. This guy is on a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL OF MAD 😤😠😡🤬💢
Xbox tax? I thought you were a peecee w⚓️ now 😂
Phil spencer and other Xbox folks have come out and stated that Black Myth devs never once reported to Xbox about having issues specifically regarding optimizing or having any issues with developing for the Xbox platform. So actually, Doc, I gotta be real, you don't owe them any kind of apologies.
Xbox is on record sending out Xbox engineer teams to developers who are trying to tune their games for the Xbox. I mean it's clear as day there is some weird stuff at play. Just look at the way Xbox and MS engaged with the issues that BG3 had, they even took full accountability with Larian studio having issues optimizing and said they were working towards finding solutions and had an Xbox team assist. The way Xbox/MS is speaking on this one is completely different.
As a PC player, I have little trust in Microsoft. For reference, take the game Enotria: The Last Song developed by the Italian studio Jyamma Games. Jyamma Games' CEO, Jacky Greco, revealed that they had completed development of the Xbox version and sent the necessary notifications to Microsoft. However, to everyone’s surprise, Microsoft failed to respond for over two months, which directly led to uncertainty regarding the Xbox version's release date.
The issue was only resolved after it gained traction online, prompting Phil Spencer, the head of the Xbox division, to personally intervene.
To add a point: if there really were an exclusivity agreement, what would be the purpose of a timed exclusivity agreement? Commercial actions must follow commercial logic. Exclusivity agreements are usually meant to drive hardware sales, not to promote exclusivity for one of the hottest games on a console-doing so would make no commercial sense.
Moreover, Black Myth: Wukong wasn’t exclusively released on the PS platform at launch. It also included Steam, Epic Games Store, and China’s WeGame platform. So tell me, what is the commercial purpose of this conspiracy theory about an exclusivity agreement?
@@Whereareyoufrom-iz1mk That's not actually the entire story behind that game ... this is the problem. So many of you only get one piece to the story and ends up being the part that just makes Xbox look bad and everyone hyper focuses on it and causes damage to brand. Then weird stuff happens with other platforms and it's in the news for a minute and it also typically has zero brand damage.
First off - that Italian game studio had multiple stories reported on through out the year and you only saw/heard about that last one that made Xbox look bad. They literally made announcements social media saying decided to stop development of the Xbox version back in the first few months of the year and had nothing to do with not being able to contact Xbox and MS and said something about focusing their time on PC and PlayStation and would consider further development of the Xbox variant, but only once they had got their game done and shipped on PC and PlayStation.
Then suddenly months later they come out talking about how the game is basically done already for the Xbox but can't be certified or whatever because they couldn't reach Xbox, it was the most outlandish thing ever. Yes, apparently during that specific time that they were trying to contact MS/Xbox, they were in fact having a tough time reaching anyone. Wanna know why??
This was the same time that the entire MS company had been compromised by Russia, this was all over the news a while back .. MS corp went on high alert and were flagging things and taking extra precautions and being extremely sensitive and careful with communications and etc. They since, have corrected these issues and taking different actions to improve their processes. At the time, that game studios contact info and site was also a mess and was unprotected and not secure, ACG, the content creator/game reviewer mentioned this as well.
? They made a lot of money ,just hire some people.
They still never denied the deal with PS which is interesting imo.
I do believe they're having issues with the series s, but why not deny the deal if it isnt true?
there is no deal you can't make secret deals in business especially with regulations like FTC
@chriscollins3225 I hate to break it to you, but deals are made all the time that the public won't know about for years, if ever. The ftc has little authority over 2 Asian companies. What would they do even if they did?
@@ltzJB The question is, why would Sony make an exclusive deal for Black Myth Wukong, and not market the game as a PS exclusive? What’s the point of making an exclusive deal, if you aren’t gonna let anyone know about it?
The whole point of exclusivity is to drive platform adoption. Sony marketed Final Fantasy, Silent Hill 2, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, HellDivers 2, Tekken 8, Sonic & Shadow Generations, and even Foamstars💀, but they aren’t gonna market one of the biggest games to release in 2024? That logic is simply not adding up.
@nicekix3038 Why do they need to market it? If the game isn't available on xbox, they win regardless. They spent $0 on marketing and achieved they same results.
@@ltzJB asian companies that's racist bro
Also I wasn't never speaking about publicly I'm talking about regulation there is a difference between that distinction
One is Japanese the other is Chinese
Also hate to break it to you but there is more than 1 regulation in the world FTC I used as a example which is for America
The one for Japan is called CERO
The one for China is called NPPA
All games around the world have to be approved by regulation practices before release ANYWHERE around the world
There is no secret exclusivity deals with this in mind regulation has to approve such practices like we saw in the ABK deal
Preach doc
The developers are to lazy to optimize their games its that simple i dont buy shitty optimized games anymore.
$70 is a lot for a video game and it better run great or i wont even think about buying it.
don't blame 3rd party devs when microsoft's 1st party devs cannot even optimize their 1st party games! 🤣
@@samrhecker9636 they can 1 party games run great and enjoy paying full price of $70 for every game on overpricedstation.
and game pass is better then anything sony has to offer🤣
@@samrhecker9636 its already been proven by microsoft they have lied and they lost money doing so🤣
@@hvdiv17 and it's already been proven by many other devs that the series s is the platform that holds the game development back. 🤣
@@hvdiv17 Black Myth Wukong sold over 20 million copies without an Xbox port. Game Science doesn’t need Xbox tbh. Also Black Myth Wukong isn’t $70, it’s $60
The problem is the series X is capable of running the game now but it's not on X because of series S. Instead of calling out MS to remove this restriction he is again defending and holding the line. Pathetic.
Facts
Doc 💯
Sed cope xbots.
omg this dood dont know what hes talking about
series s is arse sorry doc i love you bro for real but that lil box is so arse is like a low end pc from 5 or 6 yrs a go
I thought you was a PC peasant now. Why do you care about Xbox?
cuz he owns a series x??? lol dumb question.
@ so basically he a flopping gamer.
he's still a BOT. he just found a refuge on PC after losing the console war with the power narrative .
trust me, his 700 PC he bought from wallmart still cannot outperform the PS5Pro🤣
Doc no first the Xbox community was saying the game was money-hated
Bro stop the cap with your Xbox tax
You make me mad
Wukong was released on PC,
Wukong was released on PS5,
They patched the PS5 version and released a Pro version
the truth is Microsoft could make Starfield work on Android OS they need time and experience
And still, Microsoft is the problem if Series S can't play the game why not release it on the Series X only
I can personally understand the 10 GB memory argument
And you should too as a Pc game
what I am saying is we have a PC version, a PS5 version, a PS5 patch, and a PS5 Pro version
is releasing a game on Xbox 10 times harder than making a PS5 Pro version
Still defending Xbox even though you jumped to PC. Stop fronting already and move on. You know damn well games running on the S are gonna look like 💩 if they get ported on there and you yourself wouldn’t play on that system.
They don't really understand it's levels
Xbox first party studio that makes halo don't know how to optimize for series s. They can't help either so it the FUCKING HARDWARE the problem. If it was just one dev then it's a skill issue. It's 2 handful of complaints from devs risking their relationship with Microsoft to speak out about the trouble hardware. You can not talk around this and xbotXplain yourself out of this. Devs hate this hardware and a good console is a console anyone can use and easiest to use the better the product will be. Microsoft is dumb as fuck they made a barely upgrade console which is making dev hate working on Xbox version of games. How is that good?
Bro taking drugs eyes red then he grabs a camera to record bravo
Didn’t Xbox come out and say it wasn’t the consoles. It’s probably still a dodgy pony deal. Sony dies without these deals whilst Xbox can take misses easily. It’s pound shop v Sainsbury’s.
Xbox also says it wasnt the consoles when Baldur's Gate 3 didnt release on Xbox
It was not microsoft,it was Paul Tassi from Forbes,not official announcement more that Spencer saying that he cannot announced the release date
Microsoft has been lying all gen lol
@ They all lie. They’re corporations wanting our money of course they lie. Just one of them is more prosumer than the other though. Still think Sony has a bit to do with this BMW Malarkey.
@Mr.Eldric PlayStation nor Nintendo hasn't lied at all this gen
Business doesn't work like that you can't have a secret exclusivity deal when regulation exists like the FTC
That would have definitely came up in court during the ABK deal
Stop believing the nonsense Microsoft has continued to backpedal it's promises all generation
I'm going to believe Game Science the developer of the game that isn't owned by Sony before I believe Microsoft who has lied to all of us all gen more than 5 times
Who cares, most developers can't make $$$ off xbox. Gamepass kills that. Fact!
Wrong. They get paid upfront. So they do make $$$. So fact is infact wrong.
Ponies have blinkers on when it comes to xbox
@@Mr.Eldric did you not say Sony is broke? 🤣
@@samrhecker9636 sony is like pound land compared to ms/xbox. 😂😂
@@Mr.Eldric cool! 🤣
but it's hilarious AF to know a trillion dollar company like MS cannot "money-hat" a game to be exclusively on xbox 🤣
@ its friggin Phil Spencer. He said they wouldn’t do that. They could money hat everything with the resources they have. But it’s Xbox. They do the strangest things.
Xbox series S sucks if you think otherwise then your the problem i say this and say this again xbox players always bumping themselves with the same rock 🪨
Cope harder. The potato machine got huge limitations. It's full of false advertising. Not a 1440p machine, not 60 frames machine, not a ray tracing machine and never was next Gen. The compromises on all games are huge. Dynamic 720p is standard.
But you know that's a lie doc stop it
Xbox made their own consoles irrelevant remember every thing is an Xbox so just don't buy an Xbox...no one can optimize the 10 gigs remember we been waiting since 2020 the only ppl who knocked it out the park was Indian Jones...even u switch to pc most of the Xbox players are moving from Xbox. We can't be mad at devs cuz the game is fire and they are a new studio. Xbox console is dying and dev don't wanna waste time and money making gazillion dollar games on a platform that don't sell games...wu Kong dev are new to the industry lol we didn't even think the game was really going to come out cuz no one knows this studio....yes they are underexperienced but they did male a Banger xbox should just fund the port as this point lol
This is true, when Cyberpunk came out pretty much broken. It wasn't a CDProjectRed issue, it was all hardware issue. Yet people picked on the devs for no reason, haha. Your position is so smart and nuanced. Here is your gold star
@@jimmymac2292 Nah...it was CDProjectRed issue.
@@KillaSin515 oh, really! You don't say! It's almost as if Devs are responsible for optimizing their games and the OP doesn't really know what they are talking about. Its like saying the PS5 is flawed because Black Myth Wukong was poorly optimized for the ps5 at launch
I don't think MS made the console irrelevant. They're just expanding the way in which you game. For the console player that wants to play on console that option's still there.
We, as console gamers, need to realize we are now the minority. But most console players are acting as if we are the majority. Based on the player count, consoles in general are irrelevant. It's the smallest piece of the gaming puzzle. It lags behind PC gaming and Mobile gaming. Currently mobile gaming is the biggest.
In order for companies to stay around long-term and maintain success and stay relevant they have to adjust to the market and that's all Microsoft is doing.
So instead of Microsoft getting out of the console business, they're now saying hey, we'll meet those players on their mobile devices and on their PCs and still keep the console around. What's wrong with that?
if you primarily play on console. Why would it bother you if one purchase of a Microsoft game gave you the option to play it on console PC and Mobile.... Sounds like a win to me.
Media=PlayStation Media=Sony Ponies 😂
Cope
@Doc. The delusional ponies in the comments are hilarious. Like for real, nobody cares if Wukong not on Xbox yet, it’s coming. Either way we are too busy playing games. Like Indiana Jones & Stalker 2. 😂 bragging about Wukong when it played like trash on PS5. Yes I have one, got a refund & play Wukong on PC now. On top of all the fun games on Gamepass. Glad ima not a beta tester 😂
_" bragging about Wukong when it played like trash on PS5"_
-- it's gonna run worst on the series s! 🤣
@ 😂 you mean the same series S that plays Indiana Jones & stellar blade with no issues. Same games that literally crap on anything Sony has out currently. Same Series S that has run 99 percent of every game this generation with no issues. Even baldurs gate 3, it runs great. The only issue was split screen for the Series S. 😂 oh wow that’s such a big problem. You’re a joke, just like your stable mates. 😂 and i already played Wukong
Stop lying again Doc
Xbox is making you depressed! Forget the console wars and just focus on your PC lol!