What he really meant to say is “we don’t think it’s worth the resources of trying to optimize for this 10gb ram Potato box considering it will probably sell 2% as many units as the PC or PlayStation versions. It’s not worth our time or resources”
@@Looptroop98 Well someone made the point of sales on Xbox not being worth it. I was just saying consoles could be said to be the same for the very reason you just named off also.
@@severinevans346 the PlayStation version still sold well so look the sales right now are 20 million even if 12 million bought it on pc 8 million bought it on PlayStation. The AAA bangers on PlayStation normally sale roughly 10 to 15 million on release so black myth getting 8 million can be seen as substantial for consoles knowing other games aren’t really touching those numbers being 3rd party
All your comments on this fanboys channel start with “Uhh, Pony here.” I’m starting to think you’re not a “Pony” and you’re just here to stoke the weirdo console wars……..even though Xbox lost, admitted defeat, and are gonna exit the hardware business in a few years. Hell, they don’t even have consoles in Poland anymore 😂 if this is “lazy development” then how come they’re not the first devs to state the shortcomings of the Series S? Microsoft broke the parity clause for BG3 so it could run on Series S, but at the expense of having co-op…..just like Halo: Infinite. Then Redfall and Starfield, the first true next gen games on Xbox this gen, both launched at 30fps only……hasn’t happened a single time with PS5. Lazy development/developers my ass lol at this rate the game sold about as much as it’s going to without Xbox, and the devs realize that. They don’t need Xbox anymore, and neither do we. Send a message to Microsoft letting them know you’re pissed instead of kissing their ass.
My guess is it’s a bit more complicated with the Steamdeck. The Steamdeck native res is 800p, the series s I’m assuming would be 1080p but upscaled. I’m assuming the memory in the Xbox is shared or 10gb. The Steamdeck has 16gb of ram.
The difference between all those games and Black Myth is that it’s way more dynamic than them. It’s full of bosses, multiple enemies on screen at a time. Jumping around, disappearing, very fast motions. A lot to process at one time.
simple answer is yes where it count steam deck is a better system as it has 16 gb ram. To answer why is robo cop can run is it only require 4 gb. If I had to guess reason indy can run on S is because they able to limit the load on the ram by shifting some to hdd or gpu or limiting the amount of packets on the S. Something a 3rd party especially a indy company would not be able to do. The fact that they have to do that at all is a shortcoming of the S and blame should go to microsoft for not sending engineers like they did with starfield, BG3, and forza. Then again i'm glad they didn't because it seem the way to fix that is to cripple the games abilities
Your simple answer is wrong tho! Let me explain: Steamdeck: * 4c/8t Zen2 CPU @2.4-3.5GHz * 8CU RDNA2 GPU @1.0-1.6GHz (1.6TF) * 16GB LPDDR5 RAM * 64GB eMMC/256GB NVMe/512GB NVMe storage, depending on SKU Series S: * 8c/16t Zen2 CPU @3.4GHz (3.6GHz in 8c/8t mode) * 20CU RDNA2 GPU @1.565GHz (4TF) * 10GB GDDR6 RAM * 512GB NVMe storage The Steamdeck has more RAM yes, but in terms of CPU/GPU power it's less than half the Series S. The Series S is typically aiming for pixel counts in the 1080p to 1440p range, while the Steam Deck is limited to just 1280x800 on its internal display, or 720p with 40-pixel black bars top and bottom. That means the targetting 1280×800 resolution (just under half series s many pixels as 1080p),should acquit itself pretty well on its built-in screen. Not so much if you want to hook it up to a TV, though. So although the RAM is a bit less than the Steam Deck (steam 16GB vs series s 10 GB) it’s much more powerful as this variant allows the console for higher memory bandwidths (steam GDDR5 versus series s GDDR6 and steam 88.00GB/s vs series s 224.00GB/s this is hugh the series S can process information 3 times as fast than the steam deck) which by extension, allows the GPU/CPU chips to reach their full potential. So you see the steam deck 16GB ram is only on paper more but in reality not really.
@stewarde17 no, pal, the bandwidth is what matters! Do you know the movie 300? It's like there: All the power of a big army means nothing if you can't get through fast enough with all that power. Here, the same concept: if the bandwidth is not big enough to let all the power of the 16 GB RAM get through at once and fast enough, the 10GB at the end is faster in processing all the information. Of course, enough RAM is important as well, but in this case, it is not really relevant cuz it exists games which are demanding, like blacksmith wukong on the series s, Indiana Jones or Cyperpunk 2077, Ark Survival Ascended, Alan Wake 2, Dragons Dogma. If you don't believe me, do some research or ask a tech guy.
@@tiagonascimento4386 that what i said the ram is your canyon volume it is a bottleneck of how much packet information can go through at one time. If game was going at steady pace 2 by 2 it fine but if you are overloading it with information your going get stuck.
@@tiagonascimento4386 there is a difference between ram and processing power. Ram is how much data you can have at one time. Processing power is how fast you can process the ram data. So while yes the series s can process data faster than the steam deck. It still can only process 10gb at one time. While the steam deck has a slower processor it can process more data at one time cause it has more ram (just doesn’t do it as fast. Sooo 60fps is out of the question for most games and you will have slower loading times and things render slower). What does this mean. You have to re-render and cut 3-6gb of detail of data to run any new AAA game for the series S. You don’t have to do that with steamdeck.
If you can’t get your game to run at 900p at 30fps with FSR on the series S. Then the developers are right, they need to work at it more. Game development is not easy, scaling games down or scaling up existing content is not easy. Which is why these gaming companies higher external companies that specialize in porting games.
Yes but Microsoft has already expressed to every developer that they have a team willing to help optimize. Like they did with larian studios. Maybe they should be asking instead of trying to make headlines.
@@hrchsI mean, we don’t know why this hasn’t come to fruition. And also black myth wu Kong is made entirely by a Chinese developer. Sending some English speakers to work with some English speakers at larian is probably much much easier.
@ while it’s easier it very easily possible just need a translator. Also, a Chinese requirement is their population must learn to speak English as a second language. Most likely than not they know English.
So, the reason why they can get Indiana Jones running on the Xbox Series S, but they can't get Black Myths Wukong running on the Series S, is because of the hardware that is in the Xbox Series S, which is only 10 gigabytes. But the thing is that the game, Black Myths Wukong, is very demanding. The graphics are very demanding, just as Indiana Jones. But the one thing about Indiana Jones is that the developers that made the game, they were experienced in making games for the hardware that the Series S already has, which is the split-pool architecture that Xbox used in the Xbox Series S and the X. But Black Myths Wukong developers have never or just don't know how to optimize the game for the Series S, because they've never worked or they just don't know how to optimize a game for that architect, I'm guessing.
@@IcecoldMayne also you have to go in and make the game specifically with that in mind. Knowing what to put on VRAM and what to put on normal RAM. Soooo effectively, you have to make the game for Series S first then at the same time make a remaster for Xbox X. To me this is extremely limiting, time consuming and expensive. You are effectively making two different generations of game at the same time. I find it funny that everyone complains about games taking so long to come out and being too expensive. But they are fine having a duel generation system. It is completely mind boggling to me. More extra work you have to do to make a game, longer it takes to make and at the same time longer it takes to make MORE EXPENSIVE the game is to make. More expensive a game is to make. Less money it makes. Less money it makes less games we get. It’s all connected. I think the series S is old news. Need to let it go. I own a Xbox Series X and a PS5. I want to play more of my Xbox Series X, but I have played about 4 times longer on my PS5 than Xbox (due to a lot of games goes to PS first). Not everyone can afford both systems to do what I do. NEED TO LET THE SERIES S GO!! Just my two cents.
@@StarkZaku dude, PC doesn’t have the same limitations as series S. It is required to play it on PC with a minimum of 16gb. But you don’t need as strong as a processor as the Series S too run. The problem isn’t the processor strength. It is the RAM space. One thing he got wrong in this video was that it is harder to make on PC than console. That isn’t true. It is easier to make on PC. Hell most of these games are made on PC from jump street and ported to a console. There is a reason why for example square has a one year deal with remake, Rebirth and 16 and release exactly 1yr later. You don’t have to go in and re-render all the models and get rid of 3-6gb of RAM data. If anything (like Rebirth) they add more and you need even more RAM to run. Do you know how hard it is to go in and remove a third of the data and still make the game run like it is supposed to. Still look like how it is supposed to. First thing that typically goes is details on the ground and walls. Then stuff like small white facial hair. If that isn’t enough (which is normally about a 1G of ram space. Then you going to have to chose where to cut it. After you make the cut the director has to approve the change. If not gotta go back in an twick it. You have to do this for the entire game. Every scene, everywhere that the game is running over 10gb of ram. It is a drooling process. That is what they are talking about when they say optimize. What to cut to make the game run on 10gb of ram.
Robocop VS Wukong wukong is animation intensive game with a bunch of boss fights, both studios have different amount of devs, talents, money, & resources. wukong also is leaning towards the AAA approach while robocop is easy AA game.
@ that’s not how game development works, it’s accumulation of different task and its time sensitive that’s why some would delay the xbox version because of series S being a hindrance.
@@DOC_DARK1985game science was primarily PC devs and this is their first console game. So making consoles games in general is a difficult task as the game development process is different when compared to consoles. As far as porting the game from PC to console, this is a difficult task for any developer and it would probably be easier to build the game from the ground up on consoles. This game was probably built on PC first and ported to the PS5 and series X. Then they fell into a stumbling block when trying to port the game to the series S due to the 10 gigs of ram. The PC, Xbox series X, PS5, and Steam deck all have 16 gigs of ram and primarily the reason why the game can run on those devices. The Series S only have 10 gigs of ram and is the reason why the game hasnt been released on Xbox consoles yet. Also, Microsoft also stated that they are helping game science with getting the game to Xbox consoles several months ago. So with everything that has been stated by Microsoft and game science, it is safe to stated that this is nothing more than a optimization issues that Microsoft and Game Science will have to figure out and they will have to figure out if it is worth the money. Unfortunately, if a person wants to play it, their only option is PlayStation or PC.
Devs arent all the same. Game science has made 2 mobile games, bmw is their 1st triple A game, their 1st attempt at making a game for pc/console. And when they started production it was a team of 30 people. Machine games (indy) ninja theory (hb2) and teyon (robocop) all have decades of experience making pc/console games along with much more resources. When bmw released their 1st trailer, and people found out it was being made by a small inexperienced chinese team people said it was fake, it would never release, the real game wouldnt look like that. They should be lauded for even getting this project out the door even if it has some rough edges. Doc, you arent even playing on an xbox anymore. You went to pc because of 30 fps releases on the series x. If the s didnt exist, all those 30 fps games (maybe with the exception of hb2) wouldve released at 60. If the s didnt exist, series x gamers would get bmw and bg3 at the same time as everyone else. This is an xbox issue, ms decided to make a cheaper, less performant console to try to gain marketshare (which failed). The result is that youre asking devs to optimize for an additional weaker console to reach a player base that combined is less than half the playerbase of ps5.
@@justwait9822 they need to just let the series s go. I think it is too late into this generation. Needs to be done next generation. Just one system. And when you do your initial games of the new generation. Have it be for Xbox X and new generation only. Too me, ultimately, series s cost Xbox a lot of players this gen. Almost all of the people I know who had a Xbox X got rid of it and went PC or PS5. Now I have both. I only played Xbox for two games this year. The rest has been on PS5. 🤦♂️
you do realise that fps is mostly a cpu issue right? This means that if a game is made to run at 30 fps, not having a series s doesnt fix that as the series s and x cpu are the same.
@StarkZaku its not that simple. Look at gpu benchmark tests. They use same cpu and same system only switching out the gpu and better gpus yield better frane rate unless the cpu is the actual bottleneck. It also depends on optimization, ram allocation etc. Redfall and starfield released at 30. 60 was added after launch for series x and there was also a 60 added to series s but its at 432p resolution. Did the cpu change in the xbox between the release of these games and the patch?
@justwait9822 yeah but more often than not, the cpu will be the frontrunner for fps. With a lower end gpu, you can still scale down the res and graphics quality to get an increase in fps. If the cpu is bad, no amount of scaling would fix the fps. The only time this flips is in cpu intensive games like dragons dogma 2 and msfs where those games run poorly without a good cpu.
Of course, that game can run on the Series S console. Those particular Devs simply do not know how to optimize for that console, or they do not want to put the extra money in that it'll take to get the job done.
1:14- game started development in 2018, they likely expected 16GB standard 4:10- again Indiana Jones started development in 2020 vs 2018 for BMW 5:51- in terms of RAM yes 16 vs 10, devs never said anything about GPU/CPU 9:38- look up Del Walker 10:10- correct, ran like trash on PS5, will be worse on XsS/XsX
RAM does make a difference. Now a days 16 RAM is the minimum for most high AAA games. Personally I do 32g RAM minimum. Games are also made on pc not on consoles. it is different to design for an apu versus a cpu/gpu split. Valve puts a lot of work in the background to make sure games run on linux with little effort from the devs who are used to Windows systems so yeah the steamdeck can punch above its weight class. Xbox and PS both have strict requirements for what devs can do or publish on their platforms. Updates alone cost extra and if you are inexperienced devs then it can be daunting. PS sent people to help get BMW optimized for its platform. Personally I think a few hands were greased to enable a timed exclusive deal without it actually being a contract. But that is my own tin foil hat theory.
Yeah, they nail it. Games on the s run at ridiculous rez, bad frames, low settings. But they run. Any game can. A console with games that drop to 480p, 360p... In 2025.....
ive said it over and over rockstar will show other inexperienced devs what the series s is and isnt capable of and im sure digital foundry will make a video on how the heck rockstar pushed the boundaries of what the series s is capable of
@@sirve6028 so the expectation should be that every dev team should have several thousand employees, spend billions on a game, and have 2 console gens to release a game?
@@justwait9822 the expectation is dont come out and say anything bout the series s if you dont have thousands of employees and you small time dev that dont know wtf you are doing thats the expectations
My wife’s i7 8700k, 16GB Ram, and 2070 Super is vastly more powerful than the XBS, and that hardware is 8-10 years old, and it’ll play every game out there. The XBS is an absolute joke.
There's a lot of nuance needed here, considering factors like the version of the engine, the software implementation, the scale of the game, and the return on investment. My guess is that the target system requirements and features are too high to make it scalable for low-end hardware. If the implementation relies too heavily on high-end hardware, ensuring stability on low-end systems will be a nightmare, especially if they can't meet Microsoft's parity policy. In the end, if the software needs a certain amount of RAM, it will need that much, regardless of the software implementation.
It's a Chinese company Doc PC gaming is the main focus of that region and console gaming is very miniscule there. Most Developers from China have a lot of experience with PC for this reason. That's also the reason the PS5 version was very unoptimized and ran like dog water also. They aren't familiar with it and not very good at it.
The steam deck came out in 2022 The Xbox series s console is older so of course those games will run better on the steam deck Because valve knows the technology it takes to run on their Handheld console. And the reason why is because of the R&D behind The steam deck valve did their research
Wukong is an example of the downsides of using off-the-shelf game engines (Unreal). There are likely very few technical people on staff who knows how a game engine actually works. Then what makes matters worse is the lack of information available in Chinese. The team is probably very inexperienced and brute forced their way on PC by requiring high-end parts. Expect to see a lot more poorly optimized games in the future.
I am assuming their version of "optimizing" means running well. Full 60fps, little bugs or graphical issues, and ensuring the game looks good. The 10GB of RAM is shared between the GPU and the system, so it's difficult. Steam Deck can run the game at around 60fps using 8GB of total system memory, but that is PC. Xbox is not exactly a PC in terms of developement. Now the overarching question is, is it worth it in the end? 2.5 million+ units sold on PC, a good chunk on PS5 as well. Maybe they can afford to do it.
So that guy talking about the series s sales has no clue. The guy in the comments who just wants to make up things to believe. The series s accounrs for 75% of the xbox sales this generation. The x is only 25%! So no the reason isnt because of the amount they sold and its still half of what the ps5 has sold. Both combined are less then half now lol. So no the series S vs X argument stating it as if the x sells more than the S is completely false.
I just hope they don't make the same mistake next generation. The Series S situation is just a major headache. If you do 2 consoles, they need to have the same RAM. I would prefer to pay an extra $50 for extra RAM.
@@numb1gxfan agree. Example is PS4 and PS4pro or PS5 and PS5pro. Both have the same RAM just one has a better processor, video card, Wi-Fi and in PS5pro case a AI upscaler. Edit: Nothing to stop both systems from playing the same game. Just one system games plays better
My apologies I’m not following? (PS3 was one of my favorite consoles so I’m a little triggered hearing being compared to the series S.) I don’t mean any disrespect, but if you don’t mind would you be able tell to clarify?
@@Mangaki86 I absolutely loved the PS3 as a console delivered great experiences im only comparing how many devs talked about how difficult it was to develop games because of the cell processor which was a chip used for NASA btw , which game development very difficult which is a similar too how the series S is very difficult to develop games for which numerous devs have cited From Balurs Gate 3 to the more recent game being Black Myth Wukong
@@chriscollins3225 Thank you, Much appreciated. oh yes I remember all that cell processor talk. Yet most 360 games still ported over to the PS3. You are absolutely right. Developoment takes time. I think its fine for devs to prioritize a few platforms, then when the game sales. Use revenue, and resources to port to other platforms. (Or at least optimize other platforms) Kind of how television media would place shows on different stations when a show reaches syndication.
@@Mangaki86 agreed but my point to him was how are you going to call it a lie when devs say its hard to develop for but during PS3 era he was shouting from rooftops yes I've watching is UA-cam for that long lol
why do you care ? your a PC gamer now right ? why care about the xbox console ? you are showing your true colors as a xbot don't ever call yourself a PC gamer again !
bold of you to assume XBOX doesn't exist on PC LMAO. also this issue matters for all. optimizing this game means better performance on consoles AND PC as well.
@@jeffreygranda9815 he was not blind his own brother told him not to get an xbox, but yet he still gets one so he can play make believe with adults and act like a victim.
One word. Yes. It was weak at launch and now it's good paperweight. RAM only 8 available for gaming 2 for os Bandwidth low, very low. Worst then the one x Gpu 4 teraflops. It's not weak, is very weak. Facts and layers
We’ll just have to wait and see what happens but if this game comes out this year I’d find that fishy because the years of experience just suddenly happened you know? lol
I picked up an S for starfield and elder scrolls 6 if I expected to play everything under the sun I would of "ponied up" for the series x, I never figured there would be a lot of parity just looking at the difference in specs. If something drops I feel is that amazingly worth it then I'll trade up and save for the X. Doc to answer your question about games that can and can't there is a lot of technical nuance both you and i don't understand go reach out to engineers and developers personally to find the answer you want if you're not just trolling
Lies of P is a ridiculously well optimized game for being indie, not all studios are the same. BMK devs just lack the experience which falls upon MS to help them out.
Really cool game for the time I played it for, I put down after 3hrs because I don’t play souls games and I found it intimidating lmao gotta pick it back up
The series S isn't the problem. Microsofts parity clause and devs not scaling are. The series S was built to play games at a lower level. It has done a great job this gen. If anything the Series S has punched above it's weight more than the PS5 and series X have. The devs of BMW lack experience in general which is why they had to get Sony to get their game running and the game still runs like shit on PlayStation. Devs scale their games for 100 different GPUs/CPUs on PC so there's no reason why they came scale down to the series S. Also the Series S has much faster ram/CPU compared to the deck
I've been trying to figure out how these are the minimum pc requirements Processor: Intel Core i5-8400 / AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Memory: 16 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB / AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB and yet they can't optimize it for the Series S? Maybe it's the limited memory bandwidth in the Series S?
RAM. RAM. RAM. Also, its their first real game. More seasoned developers have complained about Series S with Remedy or even iD software. 2 simple reasons. End of story.
I know on my Ps5 yesterday the game literally in the middle of playing went to the ps5 main menu. So if it's still have some not a lot but some on Ps5 even when Sony sent help over. Also I believe Microsoft didn't. Both of them are companies who I wouldn't put it past them to doing shady s*** either. As gamers if we were as one we would probably get more heads up answers. However they may be speaking truth on why it isn't cause they losing a lot of money not and I don't know how many games they've made were the can leave money on the table
They can’t even make the PS5 version run properly at 60 fps since they are using frame generation at 30 fps to reach that target which is NOT recommended by AMD or NVIDIA lmao !
Doc man stop this man you on pc you literally left the console for this exact reason and besides everything he is a Xbox now just the s is the weakest one.
Wukong is an open world game, Robocop is a linear first person shooter. Hellblade is a linear 3rd person, action game. Thus Wukong has textures, world loading, etc all using that 16 GB of memory. Its very possible to get games to run on lower memory, its just takes more work when you have to render more of a world and the world's assets. Its going to take the devs some time to figure out since there is so much more rendering in the world than a standard linear game.
Doc, developing games for consoles is supremely harder than developing games for PC. Dude I've said this before. Why would it be harder to develop games for PC when they literally use PCs to develop games? Even if they could get the game to work on the X-Box Series X, they'd have to get it to work on the Series S before they could release the game because of "Console Parity". This means they don't have the experience to downgrade such a demanding game enough to run on the Series S without it running horrendously. Hell the game launched struggling on PC and PS5! What makes you think they could've made it run on the Series S?
so then why release the game at all? Why release a game that aint ready for prime time? Are we so accepting of mediocre performance that a game that runs like hot garbage is acceptable for release because we can "patch it later"? Shit is sad.
@StarkZaku because consumers will accept it, and they have deadlines to meet. If the developers can get away with meeting a deadline, and the consumers will accept the game in an unoptimized condition until they patch it later, then it'll happen every single time. Literally every game is done this way...even the games that run well still receive performance patches after release. Yes it's sad but it's something they've been doing since they've been able to do it. Ever since you were able to connect your game to the Internet to even receive the update, it has been happening.
@lebronsmith29 so when online access passes existed from 2009 to 2012 what happened... people didnt buy the game. When companies didnt get their money, they stopped doing the thing that cost them money. This aint any different. Point is, its unacceptable to release a game in a sorry state and blame a console for not being able to run it, despite it running games that are far larger in scale. Its a skill issue with the devs and if necessary, maybe they need to dial back the scale of their games if they cant use the tools given to them to make a polished product. Sorry i refuae to feel bad for them because they bit off far more than they could chew.
What do you exactly mean with better hardware design? Because you know the series s is twice as strong as the steam deck and i can prove it to you but first i wanna know what you mean with hardware design?
it the ponies man lmao, the same guys that said the PS5 Pro has 67tflops and equivalent to a 4070. Ponies don't know anything about RAM or hardware for instance: GOWR on PC calls for minimum 8gigs ram, i5 4670 cpu and a gtx 1060 6gig vram😮💨 Ponies honestly believes these specs (that are older than the Nintendo Switch) is more powerful than the Series S..... there are vids on UA-cam showing BMW running with 8gigs ram
Doc made this so smooth he’s smart! cause he knows none of these Pony’s along with Puertorock77 cant teach or explain anything. They’re just regurgitating what they want to hear. He set them in a trap. Let’s see how they try to get out of it.
There are videos here on youtube where people play bmw with 8gb of ram at around 50fps. I doubt the 10gb is the bottleneck unless the actual usable ram is way less than 8gb.
@annulusofsin I'm referring to your original comment.... the people playing with 8 gig are playing on pc correct?.which means they'd obviously have a gfx card too. But yeah the series s isn't designed well at all
Its a problem to the people who don't have the skills to optimize on it Doc but to the people who have the skills to optimize on it there is no problem & that's about simple as we can make it for these psycho people who disagree 😂😂😂 these people got to stop using Sony Pony braincells 💀
The series S isn't the problem. Microsofts parity clause and devs not scaling are. The series S was built to play games at a lower level. It has done a great job this gen. If anything the Series S has punched above it's weight more than the PS5 and series X have. The devs of BMW lack experience in general which is why they had to get Sony to get their game running and the game still runs like shit on PlayStation
In my opinion I feel like the SteamDeck is better than the Xbox series S because it's portable. I like being able to play Halo and Gears on the go.. I'm not sure power wise but SteamDeck works well for a lot of games that aren't made for it.
It released on steam right? so why isn’t in PC gamepass like death stranding that game was on PC before the console release they could’ve released the PC gamepass version which is most likely going to be steams version to reassure Xbox is getting it
According to a google search the Series S runs at native 1440p and the Steam Deck runs at 800p (basically 720p). "More resolution affects your hardware resources because they are vital in rendering high-resolution images, videos, and games. Higher resolution uses more RAM because it is responsible for holding the graphical data and its processed results. That is why external GPUs have a separate RAM called VRAM."- CPUGPUNerds Series S should have had 16GB of RAM, focusing on 1080p. But I am a PC gamer with 32GB of RAM and 12GB of VRAM @ 1440p.
@@chadstudd1616 Well, I am on the Steam page for the Steam Deck right now and it states, "1280 x 800 LCD display" and that is a copy & paste from the store page. They offer two more expensive models that have "1280 x 800 HDR OLED display".
Everyone, go, go take a look, look at how much of a memory hog Wukong is on LOWEST settings on PC. Let me emphasis lowest. It's something around 12-13GB on PC of both system and vram combined. My analysis is Wukong is more memory demanding, BUT less GPU (shader rendering) demanding than Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones is the opposite, it requires a more powerful gpu but requires less ram.
At the end of the day i FK with my brother Doc i just be trolling him alot but its all love Doc a solid dude luv him and those boys just bein 💯 solid dude
Just wait til you two bots get your hands on the new 3rd party OEM MEGA XBOX PC STEAM MACHINE that will do what PC already does. It will include the new XBOX Dual Sense and you bots will finally get some respect.
Doc you fall for too many xbot challenge. Boom stick isn’t a source for anything other than confirmation bias. XsS is the problem, you don’t get the full 10 gigs. Split ram is an issue and why it’s a problem now and will continue to be a problem in the future.
I will give you one reason which covers all the bases of why developers don’t want to develop for Xbox or even try is because that game that they’re making for Xbox would sell 2% of what it would on PlayStation or PC and it’s not worth it to them and it makes it even harder because of how weak The Xbox series s is that it’s not worth it. Xbox made it mandatory games have to work on both Xbox series consoles
If you can't look at the different games and tell Wukong would take more nothing is going to help you understand. It's a souls-like and you heard FromSoft complain massively about that RAM. Do something for me, define "Optimize". You can't understand it if you don't know what the devs are even doing.
PC gamer's will and still stress, that if you want too play BF1 or BF 2042 on decent too high settings, you need a decent PC. Starfield, is a fairly demanding game if you want it too run smooth and run well. The new Indiana Jones game, go look at the recommended specs for that on PC. Sniper Elite 5 is a massive, vast game, with recommended specs being pretty high. Now i own a PC, PS5, Series X and the trusty old Series S... I use my Series S on my dual monitor set up (dual LG Ultragear Oleds), as kinda of a back up system for all the smaller games or games i want downloaded but my Series X and PC is full. Yet on my Series S, i have the above mentioned, BF1, BF2042, Starfield, Sniper Elite 5, Indiana Jones and Deathloop. They look crisp, clean, clear, the games run buttery smooth, there is no lag, stutter or any kind of poor display. The Series S is a great little machine, and all these bellends saying it can't run any game that is out on console TODAY!!! You are a total asshat, because it can!!! Dev's are just lazy. The channel The Toasty Bros are KNOWN for their builds, and the amount of time they build a ''Budget Build'', like their last video, and it's a PC between £300 and £500..... One of the things they say ALL THE TIME, ''This build in console terms would be that of a Series S in today's consoles''. When there is a budget build PC, you don't get people saying ''Oh budget builds hold back gaming'', but when it comes too consoles, they use the Series S as a scapegoat for game developers lack of enthusiasm and want too correctly optimise games.
If that was a western dev, the flock would have no problem calling him a liar. For some reason, people are believing this guy. Sony paid for a timed exclusive. It doesn’t even run great on the ps5.
Doc you are caping for the series S before you call out Microsoft But you clearly have a problem with the Pro and still, we already have a Pro version and a PS5 patch version of Wukong Doc they could make Wukong work on the PS1(Series S) but they need money and a lot of time
Basically you are assisting with converting the xbox console crowd to pc. And the pc crowd loves the gamepass/blockbuster, xbox literally has become miscrosoft gaming, xbox console is niche at this point, console sale numbers show that. Some are hanging on, some switched to ps5, and many are upgrading to pc and will still support their beloved microsoft. Many xbox youtubers have begun the transition into "pc gaming", but they still have to show their loyalty to the microsoft brand. Ohnoitsalex has become the official refugee grounds for xbox console fans, to pump their fists in the air and scream "sony is bad" 😂 Just look at the title for every one of his videos, dude claims to be a "pc guy", but doesnt discuss pc. these channels are satire, and it is amusing to read the comments im not going to lie 😂. Keep up the great job doc, i truly mean that!
You know what the problem is besides the fact that you’re cheerleading for PlayStation? The lack of periods on the end of each sentence and the lack of capital letters at the beginning of one. Maybe you should pay more attention to that instead of fanboying on different channels. Oh and “no devs don’t wanna touch it” actually means that devs wanna touch it. Which is the opposite of what you mean. If you want to be a pony and troll Xbox, at least try to do it in a proper way. 😉
My laptop with a GTX 1660 Ti 6GB can handle 99% of games on ultra-high settings at over 40 FPS, but it can't even run Indiana Jones 😂. How lazy those developers are.
I swear this some stunts that Sony is pulling when they have these devs sign exclusive deals. I'm sure they got them signing NDA in these deals. And it's all to push this bullshit narrative to hurt Xbox console sales, and that's it.
Weak is a understatement the series s is literally the equivalent of a mid gen last gen console only games made on this thing can run on this thing games pushing better graphics with way more ram can not run on this thing simple as that any more questions lol 😂😂😂😂
I really don't care dude. All i see in your comments is ponies saying xbox player's don't buy games....... I buy games on xbox, steam and playstation would they like me to post a video on my entire library?
The xbox series s runs ark which is a way more demanding game than wukong would ever be... The s Series s runs space Marines 2 better than the p.S five pro...
Sony doesn't have any games, I'm willing to bet there's probably 3 to 4 playstation games that PC players actually like play, for me it's only 2, Spiderman remastered and Ghost of Tsushima 😂
Why do these Xbox guys feel the need to defend a console, They themselves don’t even use? You guys are PC players now. You abandoned the box. It’s so weird. They’re trying to tell us how great Xbox is. Yet they don’t even play on Xbox 😂😂😂
its not the console its the inexperienced dev team that cant optimize black myth wukong isnt even optimized on pc. If Indiana Jones and stalker 2 run fine on the series s its not the series s.
Very few studios actually know how to optimize games
Can the washer run Wukong? That is the question.
Lol
What he really meant to say is “we don’t think it’s worth the resources of trying to optimize for this 10gb ram Potato box considering it will probably sell 2% as many units as the PC or PlayStation versions. It’s not worth our time or resources”
Booya
Well, the PC version of the game vastly outsold the PlayStation version, so I don't see why they wasted their time there either.
@@severinevans346that’s because majority of eastern gamers have only pc due to some legal reasons consoles couldn’t be bought
@@Looptroop98 Well someone made the point of sales on Xbox not being worth it. I was just saying consoles could be said to be the same for the very reason you just named off also.
@@severinevans346 the PlayStation version still sold well so look the sales right now are 20 million even if 12 million bought it on pc 8 million bought it on PlayStation.
The AAA bangers on PlayStation normally sale roughly 10 to 15 million on release so black myth getting 8 million can be seen as substantial for consoles knowing other games aren’t really touching those numbers being 3rd party
UH, pony here…. It’s simply lazy development 🤷🏾
All your comments on this fanboys channel start with “Uhh, Pony here.” I’m starting to think you’re not a “Pony” and you’re just here to stoke the weirdo console wars……..even though Xbox lost, admitted defeat, and are gonna exit the hardware business in a few years. Hell, they don’t even have consoles in Poland anymore 😂 if this is “lazy development” then how come they’re not the first devs to state the shortcomings of the Series S? Microsoft broke the parity clause for BG3 so it could run on Series S, but at the expense of having co-op…..just like Halo: Infinite. Then Redfall and Starfield, the first true next gen games on Xbox this gen, both launched at 30fps only……hasn’t happened a single time with PS5. Lazy development/developers my ass lol at this rate the game sold about as much as it’s going to without Xbox, and the devs realize that. They don’t need Xbox anymore, and neither do we. Send a message to Microsoft letting them know you’re pissed instead of kissing their ass.
My guess is it’s a bit more complicated with the Steamdeck. The Steamdeck native res is 800p, the series s I’m assuming would be 1080p but upscaled. I’m assuming the memory in the Xbox is shared or 10gb. The Steamdeck has 16gb of ram.
The difference between all those games and Black Myth is that it’s way more dynamic than them. It’s full of bosses, multiple enemies on screen at a time. Jumping around, disappearing, very fast motions. A lot to process at one time.
simple answer is yes where it count steam deck is a better system as it has 16 gb ram. To answer why is robo cop can run is it only require 4 gb. If I had to guess reason indy can run on S is because they able to limit the load on the ram by shifting some to hdd or gpu or limiting the amount of packets on the S. Something a 3rd party especially a indy company would not be able to do. The fact that they have to do that at all is a shortcoming of the S and blame should go to microsoft for not sending engineers like they did with starfield, BG3, and forza. Then again i'm glad they didn't because it seem the way to fix that is to cripple the games abilities
Your simple answer is wrong tho! Let me explain:
Steamdeck:
* 4c/8t Zen2 CPU @2.4-3.5GHz
* 8CU RDNA2 GPU @1.0-1.6GHz (1.6TF)
* 16GB LPDDR5 RAM
* 64GB eMMC/256GB NVMe/512GB NVMe storage, depending on SKU
Series S:
* 8c/16t Zen2 CPU @3.4GHz (3.6GHz in 8c/8t mode)
* 20CU RDNA2 GPU @1.565GHz (4TF)
* 10GB GDDR6 RAM
* 512GB NVMe storage
The Steamdeck has more RAM yes, but in terms of CPU/GPU power it's less than half the Series S.
The Series S is typically aiming for pixel counts in the 1080p to 1440p range, while the Steam Deck is limited to just 1280x800 on its internal display, or 720p with 40-pixel black bars top and bottom.
That means the targetting 1280×800 resolution (just under half series s many pixels as 1080p),should acquit itself pretty well on its built-in screen. Not so much if you want to hook it up to a TV, though. So although the RAM is a bit less than the Steam Deck (steam 16GB vs series s 10 GB) it’s much more powerful as this variant allows the console for higher memory bandwidths (steam GDDR5 versus series s GDDR6 and steam 88.00GB/s vs series s 224.00GB/s this is hugh the series S can process information 3 times as fast than the steam deck) which by extension, allows the GPU/CPU chips to reach their full potential.
So you see the steam deck 16GB ram is only on paper more but in reality not really.
@@tiagonascimento4386 except the ram matters it like putting high performance engine without giving it enough airflow to breath.
@stewarde17 no, pal, the bandwidth is what matters! Do you know the movie 300? It's like there: All the power of a big army means nothing if you can't get through fast enough with all that power. Here, the same concept: if the bandwidth is not big enough to let all the power of the 16 GB RAM get through at once and fast enough, the 10GB at the end is faster in processing all the information. Of course, enough RAM is important as well, but in this case, it is not really relevant cuz it exists games which are demanding, like blacksmith wukong on the series s, Indiana Jones or Cyperpunk 2077, Ark Survival Ascended, Alan Wake 2, Dragons Dogma. If you don't believe me, do some research or ask a tech guy.
@@tiagonascimento4386 that what i said the ram is your canyon volume it is a bottleneck of how much packet information can go through at one time. If game was going at steady pace 2 by 2 it fine but if you are overloading it with information your going get stuck.
@@tiagonascimento4386 there is a difference between ram and processing power. Ram is how much data you can have at one time. Processing power is how fast you can process the ram data. So while yes the series s can process data faster than the steam deck. It still can only process 10gb at one time. While the steam deck has a slower processor it can process more data at one time cause it has more ram (just doesn’t do it as fast. Sooo 60fps is out of the question for most games and you will have slower loading times and things render slower). What does this mean. You have to re-render and cut 3-6gb of detail of data to run any new AAA game for the series S. You don’t have to do that with steamdeck.
If you can’t get your game to run at 900p at 30fps with FSR on the series S. Then the developers are right, they need to work at it more. Game development is not easy, scaling games down or scaling up existing content is not easy. Which is why these gaming companies higher external companies that specialize in porting games.
Yes but Microsoft has already expressed to every developer that they have a team willing to help optimize. Like they did with larian studios. Maybe they should be asking instead of trying to make headlines.
@@hrchsI mean, we don’t know why this hasn’t come to fruition. And also black myth wu Kong is made entirely by a Chinese developer. Sending some English speakers to work with some English speakers at larian is probably much much easier.
@ while it’s easier it very easily possible just need a translator. Also, a Chinese requirement is their population must learn to speak English as a second language. Most likely than not they know English.
@@hrchs if it was that easy it probably would be done.
@@ForTheViolence they can’t help people who ain’t asking for it
Flipflopping all day doc
Arent u a pc player btw 😂
So, the reason why they can get Indiana Jones running on the Xbox Series S, but they can't get Black Myths Wukong running on the Series S, is because of the hardware that is in the Xbox Series S, which is only 10 gigabytes. But the thing is that the game, Black Myths Wukong, is very demanding. The graphics are very demanding, just as Indiana Jones. But the one thing about Indiana Jones is that the developers that made the game, they were experienced in making games for the hardware that the Series S already has, which is the split-pool architecture that Xbox used in the Xbox Series S and the X. But Black Myths Wukong developers have never or just don't know how to optimize the game for the Series S, because they've never worked or they just don't know how to optimize a game for that architect, I'm guessing.
Exactly, man your one of the few comments that are looking at this rationally without having to jump into some weird ultra conspiracy reason.
@@IcecoldMayne also you have to go in and make the game specifically with that in mind. Knowing what to put on VRAM and what to put on normal RAM. Soooo effectively, you have to make the game for Series S first then at the same time make a remaster for Xbox X. To me this is extremely limiting, time consuming and expensive. You are effectively making two different generations of game at the same time. I find it funny that everyone complains about games taking so long to come out and being too expensive. But they are fine having a duel generation system. It is completely mind boggling to me. More extra work you have to do to make a game, longer it takes to make and at the same time longer it takes to make MORE EXPENSIVE the game is to make. More expensive a game is to make. Less money it makes. Less money it makes less games we get. It’s all connected. I think the series S is old news. Need to let it go. I own a Xbox Series X and a PS5. I want to play more of my Xbox Series X, but I have played about 4 times longer on my PS5 than Xbox (due to a lot of games goes to PS first). Not everyone can afford both systems to do what I do. NEED TO LET THE SERIES S GO!! Just my two cents.
@@joshuacoons9517 so why is the game on pc?
dude the architecture is the exact same, which is x86.
@@StarkZaku dude, PC doesn’t have the same limitations as series S. It is required to play it on PC with a minimum of 16gb. But you don’t need as strong as a processor as the Series S too run. The problem isn’t the processor strength. It is the RAM space. One thing he got wrong in this video was that it is harder to make on PC than console. That isn’t true. It is easier to make on PC. Hell most of these games are made on PC from jump street and ported to a console. There is a reason why for example square has a one year deal with remake, Rebirth and 16 and release exactly 1yr later. You don’t have to go in and re-render all the models and get rid of 3-6gb of RAM data. If anything (like Rebirth) they add more and you need even more RAM to run. Do you know how hard it is to go in and remove a third of the data and still make the game run like it is supposed to. Still look like how it is supposed to. First thing that typically goes is details on the ground and walls. Then stuff like small white facial hair. If that isn’t enough (which is normally about a 1G of ram space. Then you going to have to chose where to cut it. After you make the cut the director has to approve the change. If not gotta go back in an twick it. You have to do this for the entire game. Every scene, everywhere that the game is running over 10gb of ram. It is a drooling process. That is what they are talking about when they say optimize. What to cut to make the game run on 10gb of ram.
Robocop VS Wukong
wukong is animation intensive game with a bunch of boss fights, both studios have different amount of devs, talents, money, & resources.
wukong also is leaning towards the AAA approach while robocop is easy AA game.
Not the point. The point is the minimum requirement of 16gb on both
@ that’s not how game development works, it’s accumulation of different task and its time sensitive that’s why some would delay the xbox version because of series S being a hindrance.
@@DOC_DARK1985Robo cop has realistic frame regeneration details? Black myth works harder to move than Indiana or robo cop. Simple doc.
@@DOC_DARK1985 You have said you're not a tech guy yet when someone tells you something you snap back......
@@DOC_DARK1985game science was primarily PC devs and this is their first console game. So making consoles games in general is a difficult task as the game development process is different when compared to consoles. As far as porting the game from PC to console, this is a difficult task for any developer and it would probably be easier to build the game from the ground up on consoles. This game was probably built on PC first and ported to the PS5 and series X. Then they fell into a stumbling block when trying to port the game to the series S due to the 10 gigs of ram. The PC, Xbox series X, PS5, and Steam deck all have 16 gigs of ram and primarily the reason why the game can run on those devices. The Series S only have 10 gigs of ram and is the reason why the game hasnt been released on Xbox consoles yet. Also, Microsoft also stated that they are helping game science with getting the game to Xbox consoles several months ago. So with everything that has been stated by Microsoft and game science, it is safe to stated that this is nothing more than a optimization issues that Microsoft and Game Science will have to figure out and they will have to figure out if it is worth the money. Unfortunately, if a person wants to play it, their only option is PlayStation or PC.
Xbox Series S is flawed in Design nuff said
Devs arent all the same. Game science has made 2 mobile games, bmw is their 1st triple A game, their 1st attempt at making a game for pc/console. And when they started production it was a team of 30 people. Machine games (indy) ninja theory (hb2) and teyon (robocop) all have decades of experience making pc/console games along with much more resources.
When bmw released their 1st trailer, and people found out it was being made by a small inexperienced chinese team people said it was fake, it would never release, the real game wouldnt look like that. They should be lauded for even getting this project out the door even if it has some rough edges.
Doc, you arent even playing on an xbox anymore. You went to pc because of 30 fps releases on the series x. If the s didnt exist, all those 30 fps games (maybe with the exception of hb2) wouldve released at 60. If the s didnt exist, series x gamers would get bmw and bg3 at the same time as everyone else. This is an xbox issue, ms decided to make a cheaper, less performant console to try to gain marketshare (which failed). The result is that youre asking devs to optimize for an additional weaker console to reach a player base that combined is less than half the playerbase of ps5.
Not to mention 343 had issues as did Larian........
@@justwait9822 they need to just let the series s go. I think it is too late into this generation. Needs to be done next generation. Just one system. And when you do your initial games of the new generation. Have it be for Xbox X and new generation only. Too me, ultimately, series s cost Xbox a lot of players this gen. Almost all of the people I know who had a Xbox X got rid of it and went PC or PS5. Now I have both. I only played Xbox for two games this year. The rest has been on PS5. 🤦♂️
you do realise that fps is mostly a cpu issue right? This means that if a game is made to run at 30 fps, not having a series s doesnt fix that as the series s and x cpu are the same.
@StarkZaku its not that simple. Look at gpu benchmark tests. They use same cpu and same system only switching out the gpu and better gpus yield better frane rate unless the cpu is the actual bottleneck.
It also depends on optimization, ram allocation etc. Redfall and starfield released at 30. 60 was added after launch for series x and there was also a 60 added to series s but its at 432p resolution. Did the cpu change in the xbox between the release of these games and the patch?
@justwait9822 yeah but more often than not, the cpu will be the frontrunner for fps. With a lower end gpu, you can still scale down the res and graphics quality to get an increase in fps. If the cpu is bad, no amount of scaling would fix the fps. The only time this flips is in cpu intensive games like dragons dogma 2 and msfs where those games run poorly without a good cpu.
Of course, that game can run on the Series S console. Those particular Devs simply do not know how to optimize for that console, or they do not want to put the extra money in that it'll take to get the job done.
Don’t know how or just don’t want to? 🤔
1:14- game started development in 2018, they likely expected 16GB standard
4:10- again Indiana Jones started development in 2020 vs 2018 for BMW
5:51- in terms of RAM yes 16 vs 10, devs never said anything about GPU/CPU
9:38- look up Del Walker
10:10- correct, ran like trash on PS5, will be worse on XsS/XsX
@@devilshooter126m8 you said almost everything I am saying in a lot less straight to the point words. Bravo
RAM does make a difference. Now a days 16 RAM is the minimum for most high AAA games. Personally I do 32g RAM minimum. Games are also made on pc not on consoles. it is different to design for an apu versus a cpu/gpu split. Valve puts a lot of work in the background to make sure games run on linux with little effort from the devs who are used to Windows systems so yeah the steamdeck can punch above its weight class. Xbox and PS both have strict requirements for what devs can do or publish on their platforms. Updates alone cost extra and if you are inexperienced devs then it can be daunting. PS sent people to help get BMW optimized for its platform. Personally I think a few hands were greased to enable a timed exclusive deal without it actually being a contract. But that is my own tin foil hat theory.
I remember when the series S paper specs was announced, devs already been complaining on twitter we just seeing the results of that past few years.
1 game not being available and another missing split screen in 4 years?
boy they nailed it 😂
Yeah, they nail it. Games on the s run at ridiculous rez, bad frames, low settings. But they run. Any game can. A console with games that drop to 480p, 360p... In 2025.....
@@FiniteRich so the launch games for Xbox were optimized well? No..
4 yrs later their having the same in house problems out of the house
@@FiniteRich And multiple games not even releasing on the Xbox platform.
Doc you nailed it this is an awesome video lol
ive said it over and over rockstar will show other inexperienced devs what the series s is and isnt capable of and im sure digital foundry will make a video on how the heck rockstar pushed the boundaries of what the series s is capable of
Yup. Excited to see what they get out of this gen in general. Rdr2 ran at NATIVE 4k on the One X which was very impressive
Rockstar is a beast. They do everything with just two games. SMH. “There’s levels to this”
@@sirve6028 so the expectation should be that every dev team should have several thousand employees, spend billions on a game, and have 2 console gens to release a game?
@@justwait9822 the expectation is dont come out and say anything bout the series s if you dont have thousands of employees and you small time dev that dont know wtf you are doing thats the expectations
@sirve6028 lmao, you mean just dont put your game on xbox....like phantom blade 0
My wife’s i7 8700k, 16GB Ram, and 2070 Super is vastly more powerful than the XBS, and that hardware is 8-10 years old, and it’ll play every game out there.
The XBS is an absolute joke.
Docs videos be having hella ads before he gets into each talking point. This brother is getting paid!
UA-cam Premium…
What ads? I ain’t seen a ad in 6 months get ya life together.
There's a lot of nuance needed here, considering factors like the version of the engine, the software implementation, the scale of the game, and the return on investment. My guess is that the target system requirements and features are too high to make it scalable for low-end hardware. If the implementation relies too heavily on high-end hardware, ensuring stability on low-end systems will be a nightmare, especially if they can't meet Microsoft's parity policy. In the end, if the software needs a certain amount of RAM, it will need that much, regardless of the software implementation.
They literally told why it’s not running on series s. They don’t have the experience to do so.
It's a Chinese company Doc PC gaming is the main focus of that region and console gaming is very miniscule there. Most Developers from China have a lot of experience with PC for this reason. That's also the reason the PS5 version was very unoptimized and ran like dog water also. They aren't familiar with it and not very good at it.
The steam deck came out in 2022 The Xbox series s console is older so of course those games will run better on the steam deck Because valve knows the technology it takes to run on their Handheld console. And the reason why is because of the R&D behind The steam deck valve did their research
I find it odd that this is the case, it sounds more like a business decision than a technical one.
Wukong is an example of the downsides of using off-the-shelf game engines (Unreal). There are likely very few technical people on staff who knows how a game engine actually works. Then what makes matters worse is the lack of information available in Chinese. The team is probably very inexperienced and brute forced their way on PC by requiring high-end parts. Expect to see a lot more poorly optimized games in the future.
Back then they used to port games from x2 CDs with 1.02gb total to a 64mb cartridge, with no content cuts... Now they are strugling ram
I am assuming their version of "optimizing" means running well. Full 60fps, little bugs or graphical issues, and ensuring the game looks good. The 10GB of RAM is shared between the GPU and the system, so it's difficult. Steam Deck can run the game at around 60fps using 8GB of total system memory, but that is PC. Xbox is not exactly a PC in terms of developement.
Now the overarching question is, is it worth it in the end? 2.5 million+ units sold on PC, a good chunk on PS5 as well. Maybe they can afford to do it.
So that guy talking about the series s sales has no clue. The guy in the comments who just wants to make up things to believe. The series s accounrs for 75% of the xbox sales this generation. The x is only 25%! So no the reason isnt because of the amount they sold and its still half of what the ps5 has sold. Both combined are less then half now lol. So no the series S vs X argument stating it as if the x sells more than the S is completely false.
Damn Doc Cooking today
I just hope they don't make the same mistake next generation. The Series S situation is just a major headache. If you do 2 consoles, they need to have the same RAM. I would prefer to pay an extra $50 for extra RAM.
@@numb1gxfan agree. Example is PS4 and PS4pro or PS5 and PS5pro. Both have the same RAM just one has a better processor, video card, Wi-Fi and in PS5pro case a AI upscaler.
Edit:
Nothing to stop both systems from playing the same game. Just one system games plays better
black myth wukong runs like arse on Ps5 and AMD gpus. thats just a fact. game promoted by nvidia, runs best on nvidia HW.
Yes, Series S is weak. Unfortunately, no one can help you there.
...maybe just maybe, wukong devs just simply dislike xbox or Microsoft. K have a good day, get a PC or a PS5 pro, your choice, no need to complain.
The media thinks we’re stupid doc. This is a slam dunk case of xbox tax
Series S makes it harder and more time consuming for devs
How many studios have complain about developing games on ANY console before like the PS3 oh yeah the series S right but now its a lie ?
My apologies I’m not following? (PS3 was one of my favorite consoles so I’m a little triggered hearing being compared to the series S.) I don’t mean any disrespect, but if you don’t mind would you be able tell to clarify?
@@Mangaki86 I absolutely loved the PS3 as a console delivered great experiences im only comparing how many devs talked about how difficult it was to develop games because of the cell processor which was a chip used for NASA btw , which game development very difficult
which is a similar too how the series S is very difficult to develop games for which numerous devs have cited From Balurs Gate 3 to the more recent game being Black Myth Wukong
@@chriscollins3225 Thank you, Much appreciated. oh yes I remember all that cell processor talk. Yet most 360 games still ported over to the PS3. You are absolutely right. Developoment takes time. I think its fine for devs to prioritize a few platforms, then when the game sales. Use revenue, and resources to port to other platforms. (Or at least optimize other platforms) Kind of how television media would place shows on different stations when a show reaches syndication.
@@Mangaki86 agreed but my point to him was how are you going to call it a lie when devs say its hard to develop for
but during PS3 era he was shouting from rooftops yes I've watching is UA-cam for that long lol
@ 😂 I didn’t even know he was on UA-cam then.
why do you care ? your a PC gamer now right ? why care about the xbox console ? you are showing your true colors as a xbot don't ever call yourself a PC gamer again !
bold of you to assume XBOX doesn't exist on PC LMAO. also this issue matters for all. optimizing this game means better performance on consoles AND PC as well.
he only cares about his channel so if that means making cringe videos like this you best bet more is coming.
He was blind when he was an xbot consumer lol …he seeing now how trash that console is 🤣🤣
@@jeffreygranda9815 he was not blind his own brother told him not to get an xbox, but yet he still gets one so he can play make believe with adults and act like a victim.
He criticized the S and left Xbox because of it make it make sense
One word. Yes. It was weak at launch and now it's good paperweight.
RAM only 8 available for gaming 2 for os
Bandwidth low, very low. Worst then the one x
Gpu 4 teraflops. It's not weak, is very weak.
Facts and layers
We’ll just have to wait and see what happens but if this game comes out this year I’d find that fishy because the years of experience just suddenly happened you know? lol
I picked up an S for starfield and elder scrolls 6 if I expected to play everything under the sun I would of "ponied up" for the series x, I never figured there would be a lot of parity just looking at the difference in specs. If something drops I feel is that amazingly worth it then I'll trade up and save for the X. Doc to answer your question about games that can and can't there is a lot of technical nuance both you and i don't understand go reach out to engineers and developers personally to find the answer you want if you're not just trolling
I figured they was just saying in there way that they just don’t want too. I thought that was clear messaging maybe thats just me
Lies of p runs on the s. It is also unreal engine
and it has a 60 fps mode that runs very well
Its unreal 4 and its not nearly as graphically demanding as bmw.
again only need 4g not 16.
Lies of P is a ridiculously well optimized game for being indie, not all studios are the same. BMK devs just lack the experience which falls upon MS to help them out.
Really cool game for the time I played it for, I put down after 3hrs because I don’t play souls games and I found it intimidating lmao gotta pick it back up
The series S isn't the problem. Microsofts parity clause and devs not scaling are. The series S was built to play games at a lower level. It has done a great job this gen. If anything the Series S has punched above it's weight more than the PS5 and series X have. The devs of BMW lack experience in general which is why they had to get Sony to get their game running and the game still runs like shit on PlayStation. Devs scale their games for 100 different GPUs/CPUs on PC so there's no reason why they came scale down to the series S. Also the Series S has much faster ram/CPU compared to the deck
lol the steam deck has more RAM than the series s and is unified not split. It also runs at 540p barely at 30fps...
The biggest crutch was the parity clause
They essentially tried to sell us on an affordable console being as great as the beefed out 1
@@chadstudd1616 the series S ram is like 3 times faster than the deck and the S can run more games than the deck
@joeynox lol no its not 🤣🤣🤣
I've been trying to figure out how these are the minimum pc requirements Processor: Intel Core i5-8400 / AMD Ryzen 5 1600
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB / AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB
and yet they can't optimize it for the Series S? Maybe it's the limited memory bandwidth in the Series S?
can you not ad up the RAM and VRAM....
RAM. RAM. RAM. Also, its their first real game. More seasoned developers have complained about Series S with Remedy or even iD software. 2 simple reasons. End of story.
the real question here is what is doc washing?
he's already wearing the one tank top he owns
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One thing about Sony (Nexus) their games run well on PC.
I know on my Ps5 yesterday the game literally in the middle of playing went to the ps5 main menu. So if it's still have some not a lot but some on Ps5 even when Sony sent help over. Also I believe Microsoft didn't. Both of them are companies who I wouldn't put it past them to doing shady s*** either. As gamers if we were as one we would probably get more heads up answers. However they may be speaking truth on why it isn't cause they losing a lot of money not and I don't know how many games they've made were the can leave money on the table
500gb SSD, 1440p resolution, 4.006 TFLOPS. Weak
They can’t even make the PS5 version run properly at 60 fps since they are using frame generation at 30 fps to reach that target which is NOT recommended by AMD or NVIDIA lmao !
Doc man stop this man you on pc you literally left the console for this exact reason and besides everything he is a Xbox now just the s is the weakest one.
Wukong is an open world game, Robocop is a linear first person shooter. Hellblade is a linear 3rd person, action game. Thus Wukong has textures, world loading, etc all using that 16 GB of memory. Its very possible to get games to run on lower memory, its just takes more work when you have to render more of a world and the world's assets. Its going to take the devs some time to figure out since there is so much more rendering in the world than a standard linear game.
Doc, developing games for consoles is supremely harder than developing games for PC. Dude I've said this before. Why would it be harder to develop games for PC when they literally use PCs to develop games? Even if they could get the game to work on the X-Box Series X, they'd have to get it to work on the Series S before they could release the game because of "Console Parity". This means they don't have the experience to downgrade such a demanding game enough to run on the Series S without it running horrendously. Hell the game launched struggling on PC and PS5! What makes you think they could've made it run on the Series S?
so then why release the game at all? Why release a game that aint ready for prime time? Are we so accepting of mediocre performance that a game that runs like hot garbage is acceptable for release because we can "patch it later"? Shit is sad.
@StarkZaku because consumers will accept it, and they have deadlines to meet. If the developers can get away with meeting a deadline, and the consumers will accept the game in an unoptimized condition until they patch it later, then it'll happen every single time. Literally every game is done this way...even the games that run well still receive performance patches after release. Yes it's sad but it's something they've been doing since they've been able to do it. Ever since you were able to connect your game to the Internet to even receive the update, it has been happening.
@lebronsmith29 so when online access passes existed from 2009 to 2012 what happened... people didnt buy the game. When companies didnt get their money, they stopped doing the thing that cost them money. This aint any different.
Point is, its unacceptable to release a game in a sorry state and blame a console for not being able to run it, despite it running games that are far larger in scale. Its a skill issue with the devs and if necessary, maybe they need to dial back the scale of their games if they cant use the tools given to them to make a polished product. Sorry i refuae to feel bad for them because they bit off far more than they could chew.
Robocop aint doing what Black Myth Wukong is doing intensively , the Steamdeck is better design hardware than series S in design
What do you exactly mean with better hardware design? Because you know the series s is twice as strong as the steam deck and i can prove it to you but first i wanna know what you mean with hardware design?
it the ponies man lmao, the same guys that said the PS5 Pro has 67tflops and equivalent to a 4070. Ponies don't know anything about RAM or hardware for instance: GOWR on PC calls for minimum 8gigs ram, i5 4670 cpu and a gtx 1060 6gig vram😮💨 Ponies honestly believes these specs (that are older than the Nintendo Switch) is more powerful than the Series S..... there are vids on UA-cam showing BMW running with 8gigs ram
tell me you have no idea without telling me....
Doc made this so smooth he’s smart! cause he knows none of these Pony’s along with Puertorock77 cant teach or explain anything. They’re just regurgitating what they want to hear. He set them in a trap. Let’s see how they try to get out of it.
There are videos here on youtube where people play bmw with 8gb of ram at around 50fps. I doubt the 10gb is the bottleneck unless the actual usable ram is way less than 8gb.
8 GIG of system RAM but they also have a GFX card with VRAM.....
@@chadstudd1616 Nah. The series s has 10gb in total. 8gb for games and 2gb for the system. The gpu is just dog shit.
@annulusofsin I'm referring to your original comment.... the people playing with 8 gig are playing on pc correct?.which means they'd obviously have a gfx card too. But yeah the series s isn't designed well at all
@@chadstudd1616 Oh my mistake. I thought you meant the xbox.
Its a problem to the people who don't have the skills to optimize on it Doc but to the people who have the skills to optimize on it there is no problem & that's about simple as we can make it for these psycho people who disagree 😂😂😂 these people got to stop using Sony Pony braincells 💀
Series s according to Google is similar to Ryzen 3 or i3 and gtx 1650 card or rx5500 .. 🤷🏼♂️ the minimum specs does say 16gb ram
SteamDeck is awesome 😎💯
It's my favorite handheld PC console.
rog ally x says whaaaat
The series S isn't the problem. Microsofts parity clause and devs not scaling are. The series S was built to play games at a lower level. It has done a great job this gen. If anything the Series S has punched above it's weight more than the PS5 and series X have. The devs of BMW lack experience in general which is why they had to get Sony to get their game running and the game still runs like shit on PlayStation
Runs fine for me.
In my opinion I feel like the SteamDeck is better than the Xbox series S because it's portable. I like being able to play Halo and Gears on the go.. I'm not sure power wise but SteamDeck works well for a lot of games that aren't made for it.
It released on steam right? so why isn’t in PC gamepass like death stranding that game was on PC before the console release they could’ve released the PC gamepass version which is most likely going to be steams version to reassure Xbox is getting it
According to a google search the Series S runs at native 1440p and the Steam Deck runs at 800p (basically 720p).
"More resolution affects your hardware resources because they are vital in rendering high-resolution images, videos, and games. Higher resolution uses more RAM because it is responsible for holding the graphical data and its processed results. That is why external GPUs have a separate RAM called VRAM."- CPUGPUNerds
Series S should have had 16GB of RAM, focusing on 1080p. But I am a PC gamer with 32GB of RAM and 12GB of VRAM @ 1440p.
the steam deck is 540p and upscale and barely runs at 30 with FG
@@chadstudd1616 "the steam deck is 540p"
I do not own one so I googled the specs and wrote what it said. 800p (basically 720p) is what I read.
@@ragingmonk6080 that's what the performance reviews have said
@@chadstudd1616 Well, I am on the Steam page for the Steam Deck right now and it states, "1280 x 800 LCD display" and that is a copy & paste from the store page.
They offer two more expensive models that have "1280 x 800 HDR OLED display".
Everyone, go, go take a look, look at how much of a memory hog Wukong is on LOWEST settings on PC. Let me emphasis lowest. It's something around 12-13GB on PC of both system and vram combined.
My analysis is Wukong is more memory demanding, BUT less GPU (shader rendering) demanding than Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones is the opposite, it requires a more powerful gpu but requires less ram.
At the end of the day i FK with my brother Doc i just be trolling him alot but its all love Doc a solid dude luv him and those boys just bein 💯 solid dude
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Just wait til you two bots get your hands on the new 3rd party OEM MEGA XBOX PC STEAM MACHINE that will do what PC already does. It will include the new XBOX Dual Sense and you bots will finally get some respect.
only 8 is usable, 2 gigs are for the system
The return of the OLD DOC DARK. DON'T F IT UP. welcome back...welcome,welcome, welcome back..."see the game it's all changed since I been around.. "
Doc you fall for too many xbot challenge. Boom stick isn’t a source for anything other than confirmation bias.
XsS is the problem, you don’t get the full 10 gigs. Split ram is an issue and why it’s a problem now and will continue to be a problem in the future.
I will give you one reason which covers all the bases of why developers don’t want to develop for Xbox or even try is because that game that they’re making for Xbox would sell 2% of what it would on PlayStation or PC and it’s not worth it to them and it makes it even harder because of how weak The Xbox series s is that it’s not worth it. Xbox made it mandatory games have to work on both Xbox series consoles
Let me fry up some Tostones and let us discuss Baldur's Gate 3
PLAY GAMES NOT CORPORATION, LIKE MY BRO FROM THE BRITISH HAS Alway said!!!
Is he making these videos in a halfway house?
If you can't look at the different games and tell Wukong would take more nothing is going to help you understand. It's a souls-like and you heard FromSoft complain massively about that RAM. Do something for me, define "Optimize". You can't understand it if you don't know what the devs are even doing.
PC gamer's will and still stress, that if you want too play BF1 or BF 2042 on decent too high settings, you need a decent PC.
Starfield, is a fairly demanding game if you want it too run smooth and run well.
The new Indiana Jones game, go look at the recommended specs for that on PC.
Sniper Elite 5 is a massive, vast game, with recommended specs being pretty high.
Now i own a PC, PS5, Series X and the trusty old Series S... I use my Series S on my dual monitor set up (dual LG Ultragear Oleds), as kinda of a back up system for all the smaller games or games i want downloaded but my Series X and PC is full.
Yet on my Series S, i have the above mentioned, BF1, BF2042, Starfield, Sniper Elite 5, Indiana Jones and Deathloop.
They look crisp, clean, clear, the games run buttery smooth, there is no lag, stutter or any kind of poor display.
The Series S is a great little machine, and all these bellends saying it can't run any game that is out on console TODAY!!! You are a total asshat, because it can!!! Dev's are just lazy.
The channel The Toasty Bros are KNOWN for their builds, and the amount of time they build a ''Budget Build'', like their last video, and it's a PC between £300 and £500..... One of the things they say ALL THE TIME, ''This build in console terms would be that of a Series S in today's consoles''.
When there is a budget build PC, you don't get people saying ''Oh budget builds hold back gaming'', but when it comes too consoles, they use the Series S as a scapegoat for game developers lack of enthusiasm and want too correctly optimise games.
If that was a western dev, the flock would have no problem calling him a liar. For some reason, people are believing this guy. Sony paid for a timed exclusive. It doesn’t even run great on the ps5.
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Doc you are caping for the series S before you call out Microsoft
But you clearly have a problem with the Pro
and still, we already have a Pro version and a PS5 patch version of Wukong
Doc they could make Wukong work on the PS1(Series S) but they need money and a lot of time
Soo I guess Microsoft is the blame for the generation of video games? I don’t understand
Basically you are assisting with converting the xbox console crowd to pc. And the pc crowd loves the gamepass/blockbuster, xbox literally has become miscrosoft gaming, xbox console is niche at this point, console sale numbers show that. Some are hanging on, some switched to ps5, and many are upgrading to pc and will still support their beloved microsoft. Many xbox youtubers have begun the transition into "pc gaming", but they still have to show their loyalty to the microsoft brand. Ohnoitsalex has become the official refugee grounds for xbox console fans, to pump their fists in the air and scream "sony is bad" 😂 Just look at the title for every one of his videos, dude claims to be a "pc guy", but doesnt discuss pc. these channels are satire, and it is amusing to read the comments im not going to lie 😂. Keep up the great job doc, i truly mean that!
Doc will be spitting them pc facts, but because he can play xbox games on the pc so it's an xbox 😂
Bottom line Xbox is trash no devs don't wanna touch it that's basically the problem
You know what the problem is besides the fact that you’re cheerleading for PlayStation? The lack of periods on the end of each sentence and the lack of capital letters at the beginning of one. Maybe you should pay more attention to that instead of fanboying on different channels.
Oh and “no devs don’t wanna touch it” actually means that devs wanna touch it. Which is the opposite of what you mean. If you want to be a pony and troll Xbox, at least try to do it in a proper way. 😉
@stevencornelio4979 I'm not cheerleading PlayStation it's just the truth 🤡🤡🤡
@ Yeah, that’s cheerleading buddy. PlayStation is not the truth, it’s just a console. It’s not that serious my guy.
My laptop with a GTX 1660 Ti 6GB can handle 99% of games on ultra-high settings at over 40 FPS, but it can't even run Indiana Jones 😂.
How lazy those developers are.
lol I guarantee it can't but good try
I swear this some stunts that Sony is pulling when they have these devs sign exclusive deals. I'm sure they got them signing NDA in these deals. And it's all to push this bullshit narrative to hurt Xbox console sales, and that's it.
Weak is a understatement the series s is literally the equivalent of a mid gen last gen console only games made on this thing can run on this thing games pushing better graphics with way more ram can not run on this thing simple as that any more questions lol 😂😂😂😂
The arguements in this comment section are comical when you step away from the gaming community for a bit... What is going on here?😅
I really don't care dude. All i see in your comments is ponies saying xbox player's don't buy games.......
I buy games on xbox, steam and playstation would they like me to post a video on my entire library?
The xbox series s runs ark which is a way more demanding game than wukong would ever be... The s Series s runs space Marines 2 better than the p.S five pro...
And I heard that it run bad on PlayStation
What’s the point of talking about the Xbox Series S? It’s a weak console, especially 4 years after launch. Next subject…
Sony doesn't have any games, I'm willing to bet there's probably 3 to 4 playstation games that PC players actually like play, for me it's only 2, Spiderman remastered and Ghost of Tsushima 😂
Why do these Xbox guys feel the need to defend a console, They themselves don’t even use? You guys are PC players now. You abandoned the box. It’s so weird. They’re trying to tell us how great Xbox is. Yet they don’t even play on Xbox 😂😂😂
amen sister..
Fair
its not the console its the inexperienced dev team that cant optimize black myth wukong isnt even optimized on pc.
If Indiana Jones and stalker 2 run fine on the series s its not the series s.
Wu KONG, no CON.........
Either way it's not on Xbox
Facts
3 days in and doc isn't letting this news get to him........ does 3 videos crying about the news