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Why You Should NOT Upgrade... Apple TV 4K (2022)
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- Apple just announced new models of the Apple TV 4K. What's new? Should you buy one? Should you upgrade your current Apple TV? We'll answer all these questions and more in today's video
The new Apple TV 4K is available to order now and will start shipping November 4th.
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0:00 Chapters
0:56 About the Apple TV
2:58 What's New?
3:29 Price
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4:26 Processor, Connections, Resolution
5:24 Siri Remote
6:20 Thread Support?
7:45 Should You Buy?
8:38 Which One Should You Buy?
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Excellent summary - we currently have four Apple TVs, and I think we’ll probably pick up a a couple of new ones (with Ethernet) to replace a 2017 4k model and an original 2015 HD model, which has recently started to act up.
Like you, I see no reason to upgrade the two 2021 models we purchased last year, which are still working great. But year-over-year upgrades are rarely worth it.
Bummer they eliminated Ethernet and Thread support from the base model, but I’m grateful for the overall price cut.
These people are not Apple guys, or they wouldn't be having this conversation.
There is no reason to OWN ANY APPLE DEVICES if you look at things that way.
You can just buy the absolute CHEAPEST generic kit and it will work just the same.
But it will feel like trash compared to Apple stuff.
Look I get it, I didn't like to swallow that extra cost either.
BUT I recognise that luxury costs money.
I kind of see your point but I actually think the removal of ethernet and thread from the base model makes total sense. It allows them to drop the price to a point that potentially attracts a whole new market of people and specifically this is targeting your every day common man who wants to enjoy a good streaming setup but has no interest in fancy home automation or the performance of a hard wired connection. For most consumers honestly that stuff doesn't matter much, but the lower price will so its a smart move. For those of us who do care about those features the new high end model is only $20 more and is still cheaper than the equivalent previous generation models so it's a no brainer win all around in my opinion.
I have a 2017 Apple TV 4K - I will absolutely consider upgrading to the new higher end one. Thread and Ethernet are absolutely worth it in my opinion.
Why? The old one had Ethernet & thread isn’t great. By a thread router. Easier better value
@@paulkieffer1189 the 2017 is not the model that came out last year
Yup apps load faster with ethernet. I will be getting the higher end model to replace my old 2017 Model.
As will I. The old Apple TV 4K box will be moved to the Garage TV.
What’s thread?
I would love it if I could download my movies and tv shows on my Apple TV 4K, that’s a feature I’m waiting on.
You forget to mention the 2022 model supports HDMI ARC. That's a big deal if you ever use your TV for non-Apple content and want to keep the sound routed through your homepods or soundbar.
I’d love to see Apple take Arcade more seriously and add an M1 chip in the TV line up. With the new enhancements to Metal3 it’d be nice to see apple close the loop on gaming more tightly. Guessing I’m the odd one out here but it’d be cool to see.
almost no one would buy it. just get a mac mini, honestly, cause that is how much the apple tv would cost
Yeah I think you’d definitely be in the minority. It would make the Apple TV much more expensive when most people don’t care about arcade, and the Apple TV is already expensive relative to its competition. Would a Mac mini or iPad docked to the tv work for you?
A15 okay already…just let me shareplay appletv n fitness without my ipad plz..or allow facetime direct w apple tv with applewebcam….
@@fionnmaccuill415 we do if want good games to come to apple. We only platform on the planet, without Skyrim on it.
I been using apple since the late 80’s , apple don’t show love for us gamers. Apple brought beats over bungie. Apple don’t have the balls to buy EA, apple is a joke about supporting gamers
You should replace the plumbing before buying a stuff like smart valve robot. And when it happens you should just go stop by yourself before you take out your phone, open the app and command the robot.
It's crazy that it exist.
I have my own plex server and it does load up my media a lot faster, the ui is a lot snappier and smoother.
Wow. Single best review of Apple TV. I learned more from your 14 minute review than all of the other reviews I watched combined.
This makes sense if you have a Samsung TV that supports HDR10+ but not Dolby Vision. Otherwise this really looks like an iterative update.
Some good thoughts in this video, nice job. 👍🏻
The 2021s are on Amazon and Costco for 99.99. Xmas gifts for my parents and brother.
Sorry to hear they remove the Ethernet and thread from the base model. Often an AppleTV near your television will also be near cable modem and a wired Ethernet connection is often right there! Glad I got the one from last year and not the most recent.
Another good video out of the gate. Thanks Shane for recommending connecting the Apple TV 4K directly to Ethernet. I originally had the Ethernet cable connected to my smart tv, but I took it out and connected it to my Apple TV. What a difference!
I setup three original Apple TVs in our home in our guest Bedroom, Living Room and Master Bedroom several years ago and we love them. The Guest Bedroom is connected via WiFi and the other two are hardwired for the best performance. I sat out the 2021 update, but I pre-ordered two of the new Apple TV 128GB models with ethernet ports as soon as they appeared in the Apple Store. Looking forward to seeing if we notice any performance improvements over our older units.
I don’t have a Apple TV. I might get one for sure now that the price is cheap on this product.
Thank you Shane for another great informative video. As a 2017 4K owner I will be upgrading. Ethernet of course. One thing to keep in mind is that since Apple updated to the A15 Bionic, then maybe, just maybe there is something coming with integration on the new Apple TV that will require the A15. Something like the as of yet unannounced Apple AR/VR headset?? Just my 2¢
Last year’s ATV 4K has audio drop out problems with third party apps like Netflix so that alone was enough to make me upgrade.
Even after all the apple support posts and Reddit posts, the current Apple TV 4K is still plagued with Dolby Atmos playback issues with several sound bars. It be nice if they finally listened and fixed this issue with some under the hood updates in this new model.
By now no 4k models where off market by now. If want can enable beta feature which gives you latest beta os and version of apps as well finished version when there ready.
Big miss on the U1 chip for sure. Thanks, but I’ll keep rocking my 2021 4K thread enabled Apple TV. 😊 Thanks for your honest and thorough review as always.
Thanks for watching!
Will definitely get the top end one - still using the 2017 model and I’ve noticed some stuttering with newer 4k content lately which drives me nuts 😬! Proper eArc support is also welcome as Dolby Vision and Atmos content become more mainstream.
But no bitstream (truehd passthrouh) from players like Plex, it is a big no-no as nVidia Shield can do it for many many years, also no AV1 decoder which will be the future, so this makes apple tv fall to very plug & play users with like netflix only usage.
@@danex070 Today you can do everything with HDMi cable. Keep in mind that New now audio formats require higher data transfer more than toslink can transfer
@@danex070 What probably applies to Apple is probably that, they don't want to offer things that might encourage illegal file sharing of hollywood movies. Does Codi even exist for Apple TV? . Then the question is aren't there players for Apple TV that support DTS ?
@@Andersljungberg Today you COULD do everything with HDMI cable, but in reality its one of the biggest mess in the tech industrie, there are like 6 kind of HDR, 10 kind of sound format, CEC should work with everything, but in action there are many problems with it. Also HDMI has multiple versions and even the same version has multiple implementation of speed and technology. Like normal, arc, earc. Also earc its also TV specific what format they can passthrough or not.
So as you are fine with youtube and netflix you gonna be fine with the built in applications, new TVs has decent speed, there is no need for a seperate media box. For higher category where you want to use your own sound system you will need a media box to drive that with a proper audio format and this is where AppleTV sucks.
Many years before sure, TVs had trash performance and apple tv or an android box was a nice upgrade but now they are just useless for everyday use or they lach the technology for higher end use.
Thank you for this, I will hold off
I do love a hardwired connection whenever possible!
I’m upgrading from my Gen1 ATV4K
I have 2 of the 2021 models which initially had a hard time with my Denon AVR and Netflix. Netflix resolved itself with firmware upgrades, so I'm hoping the hardware was updated beyond the A15 chip. I still have one 2017 version which I will replace with one of the 2021 versions. Mainly for more complete tread support. Someone gets a Christmas present because I keep all the boxes. The 2021 version had a real problem with pops and dropouts when using ATMOS.
What kind of issues did you have with your Denon? Every once in a while my tv will say there's no signal coming from the Apple TV on the hdmi I assigned it in my Denon AVR . Happens if I switch sources without turning the Apple TV off first. The issue doesn't happen with my other sources using the same HDMI port so I know its the Apple TV being weird. Hoping upgrading to these newer models will fix it.
Apple needs to compete with the 2022 Fire CubeTv and that’s why AppleTv is cheaper this year.
Great comparison Shane. However I think the thoughts are a little different.
In fact you don’t have to compare Apple TV 4K base model with previous version of 4k model: previous lineup was built by HD model and 4k model. The first was the base one. So Apple replaced HD model with 4k base model and I think that respect the old model (that I still use in my living room ) it is a huge upgrade (ok they removed utp cable but for example the old HD had it but it supported an old utp protocol not more usable nowadays ): like the previous base model (HD) it hasn’t thread so I think its target is for the ones that don’t want to have an HomeKit hub (I am a great fan of HomeKit and I use it with HD and I was thinking to upgrade it just for the lack of thread support). So in this thought Apple has increased the base model price not lowered it as it did, unfortunately, with every device this year.
Can you download music and turn off your wifi and still play ur music
Another great video! I have a 2021 Apple 4K, and I'm quite happy with it.
😮 I literally purchased a 2021 64GB five days ago since the price dropped to $129.
Did the same (bought two). Thankfully I hadn’t opened one of them yet and returned it to try the new one on my main TV.
My view is pretty similar to yours. Given the lower price it's hard to complain about the new top-end model, but I don't see why they even bothered with the lower-end model. Maybe they have customers who want/need *one* AppleTV which has matter support, but are also buying 3-4 other AppleTV's for the same house, and those people would want to save $20. But I'm really grasping at straws there.
I was really shocked when I saw no Thread on the base model with Matter just coming out. I obviously noticed the spec change but someone entering the smart home environment for the first time might not know what it is and see a video saying you need an Apple TV 4K or HomePod mini to use it which is now longer true as there is the exception
Yea great point. I know I've said that plenty of times when talking about Thread. It does make it more confusing for people just getting started.
but the price is 140dollars
Yeah, I was surprised, too. They made it a point to say that iPads can not be used as a Matter hub, but can still be used as a base HomeKit hub and now they go and release an Apple TV without Thread. Go figure.
Very good video. I am coming from an Apple TV 4K 32GB from 2017.
I’m hoping the new one supports High Res lossless audio. As it happens I’m still within my return window on a 2021 model I bought but haven’t set up yet so I’m returning it and ordered the new model.
Not really an upgrade per se but I’m happy to spend the extra $30 to try the new model instead.
Hi res lossless with a usb output for a dac would be great !
I have the 2021 model and it supports Thread
As I understand it, Apple have recently said that Thread will not be fully supported on the 2021 models- you will only be able to use HomeKit-compatible devices on those older models, as you need a bit of extra hardware that was added in the 2022 model
I’ve been wondering, if I have a 2022 smart tv, what’s the reason to use Apple TV? Apart from smart home.
I’m only getting so I can put my 2021 model in a different room. Then new one in our main living room. My wife is used to the AppleTV interface.
I‘m really excited about the new AppleTV 4K! I will definitely get the higher version as my very first AppleTV! The price is also great here in Europe! I want it mainly as being the heart of my Smarthome but are also curious about the viewer experience in general. Can’t understand why Apple also made that base version. Nobody would want to buy that!
Me too! 😊
It depends. My Spectrum ethernet and wi-fi download speeds are identical. There is no advantage in having the ethernet port. Most people will not use the hub thread feature on the more expensive model. The base model may be ideal for some users.
Thank you for another great video. I agree with the Thread support, if Apple wants to have folks come over and adopt it, let do it and go all in.
No wifi 6e is weak too...no reason for me to upgrade from the 2021 model
Ok here thing only thing changed possible is chip and storage option and fact current remote use usb-c now otherwise that it. The current chip ain’t even latest M series it still uses A chip tech.
I just upgraded from an Apple TV 3rd gen to an Apple TV 4K 3rd gen. 10years+ of technological development separate those two Apple TVs.
6:20 I get your frustration with dropping Thread Shane, but you’re only looking at this Apple TV from a tech/smart home enthusiast’s perspective. From a business perspective, Apple slashed the prices to lower the barrier of entry into their ecosystem, and their cost from 128 to 64GB chips wasn’t enough of a cost savings to maintain their margin on the model that they know they’re going to sell the most units of. They know that significantly less people opt for the more expensive model of Apple TV, so they want to preserve the most margin for the big seller. Apple isn’t looking to get as many people into their smart home ecosystem as possible, but instead their ecosystem as a whole.
still got the first gen 4k..on that directv promo if yall remember other than a bump in the processer..all i i can upgrade is the remote..
Seems to me the lower end model is more like the old appleTV HD as that doesn’t have thread either. I don’t think they removed thread from the 4K, rather they added 4K support to the HD.
I’m sticking with last years model, thankyou for the video 😁👍
Me too 😄. Thanks for watching Paul!
I may buy one of the new ones for my mom at this price. She has an older Apple TV version right now that still has the older remote, so she tends to not use that TV. :)
I am still using the HD version from years ago. Still need a 4K tv first. Still rockin the Samsung 3D tv.
What about upgrading from the 2017 AppleTV 4K? Is it worth the upgrade from that?
Shane thank you for validating my reasons for not upgrading.
very good video ! nice infos
Is it worth buying HomePod Mini if you're using Homekit?
Are these competition win notifications a scam?
Doesn't make sense to upgrade from 2021 model 4k, i thought i didn't have thread support but now you have clarified it does so ease of mind for a couple of years now
Well, I think that the cheaper device is marketed for those that aren’t home automation enthusiast and that way save little money. in my case I have 3 Apple TV at home only one is thread capable or 2021. The other ones are older, but since
I have 2 home pods in different rooms, the whole house is covered. If I update the older ones I could get the cheaper one since I wont be using them as hubs. Just a thought
I appreciate the Wi-Fi 6. I don’t understand lack of thread like you said. At least the top got cheaper. I may grab one in Christmas to get rid of that last fire stick in the house!
I have the 2021 version of it and I dont feel like there’s that much of a change so I wont be upgrading
The most concise and succinct review of the 2022 Apple TV I have seen. Thanks!
🙏🙏
@@ShaneCreates
By the way, I had followed your recommendation....just a few days before watching the video. COSTCO had the 2021 4K 64 for $99 online. So, I ordered one. It hasn't arrived yet.
We have a 3rd gen Apple TV (not 3rd gen 4K!) that we really never use because Dish is our service and we use two, built in Roku TVs. The Apple added nothing for us. Even in our Homekit based smart home with more than 50 devices.
I wanted a way to integrate our Arlo security cameras into the TV. Something I could do with a HomeKit enabled Apple TV. And, I wanted to switch to streaming services from Dish (which we've had for more than 30 years).
So, I'd been considering an upgrade for a while but didn't want to pay nearly $200. And frankly, I was (and still am) dreading having to explain to my wife that now we use the Apple TV and the Apple remote and ignore Roku and switching between attached devices all together. The TV just becomes a monitor for the Apple TV "processor".
It will be a challenge. 😅 Wish me luck.
The one big (and frustrating, tbh) difference is that the new model supports UA-cam at 4k 60fps HDR while the older 2017 model doesn't. I'm not sure if they nerfed it, or just never offered the support for the app in the first place, but it feels like a false restriction to be honest, given that a much cheaper Amazon 4k Firestick can do it. That said, given how much I hate the touch section remote for my current ATV4k, I'm almost tempted to get the new one just for the better remote.
That’s for the great explanation. I’m still rocking a 2017 ATV so most likely will be upgrading this time around. Appreciate the videos as always!
Thanks for watching!
I agree with you on a lot. But I think the base model is just fine for those who already have a homepod (for threat support) and don‘t want to use LAN cabling at all in their household, maybe because of the layout of their rented flat
That is true. I just think that for an extra $20, it would be worth it... "just in case." Maybe it's just me, but I tend to move things around and change up my setup. This way, you got it if you need it or ever change your mind down the road.
@@ShaneCreates I’m planning to get the Ethernet model. I heard from apple sales guy that thread only works when connected through Ethernet. Is that true, please confirm so that I can get one. Thanks 🙏
I have the 2017 edition, I am buying the new one and will sell the old one, so I think the upgrade cost will be small. The value on the second-hand market is pretty good.
Never had an tv at all before already ordered one because of the price for my bedroom I’ll get the thread one for my living room later but that price made me pull the trigger
I bought the 2021 on sale for 160 64gb 2 months ago wish I knew a new model was coming out for a cheaper price I would’ve waited
I have the 2 of the 1st generation of Apple 4K and a one HD AppleTV on television that is only HD. I think I am fine.
Can I use this 4K Apple TV with my HD television?
I’ve been putting off getting one because the price was a bit too high for me since I already have all these apps on my ps5 and smart tv but the price decrease makes it more appealing now and I can take full advantage of my AirPods while watching movies and tv.
I absolutely love using my AirPod Pros to watch movies and TV. Sound canceling and spatial audio is amazing in a house full of people.
Which version should I get ? My mainly use of the Apple TV should be when I airplay videoes from my iPhone ?
Best part is the price cut on 2021 model to $99 in several stores
I bought two Apple TV 4K but I haven't been able to download any application for two months because both devices keep saying that I can't connect to the App Store (Apple can't help with that). I recommend other products like the NVIDIA Shield.
Thanks for explaining it, Shane!
Your correct but wrong at the same time. This isn’t a update for the same purpose as a cellphone cycle.
This was a update for people with 3-5 year old Apple TVs. This was to lower the barrier to entry and continue the momentum as they close in on Hulu subscriber numbers.
Not really into Apple stuff and idk if this is a coincidence but in the thumbnail for this video the Apple TV box design kinda resembles a old school CRT with buttons on the side like how you would turn the volume or change the channel with your hand. Thought it was neat.
I looked on Apple but could not find modem speed. My new Sony surprisingly is limited by a 100 baud or bps modem .
I wish on the apps such as Netflix and Disney+ we could download the shows/movies to the Apple TV like we can with our iPhones now that there is more storage.
Very tempted to upgrade my Apple TV HD which I’ve had since 2015 or 2016. I’d definitely go for the higher model.
Certainly a worthy upgrade coming from the Apple TV HD. Thanks for watching Jeff!
We still have the first Apple TV 4k, and in that case I think its a good upgrade. If for the last one is worth to upgrade, thats questionable. But for our old Apple TV 4k (2017) its definately worth the upgrade. ;)
I'm a Google guy but have to keep up with Apple stuff for potential gifts as my brother is in the Apple ecosystem. I love the Chromecast, but man, I wish that they would have a another model that was a more robust unit like this, rather than only having the dongle version. That much faster CPU and extra RAM is really noticeable.
What about if I purchase two a month ago and now they came out with this. I’m still able to return so should I just exchange them
Before your video came out I felt exactly the same way and I’m so pleased to see that you come to the same conclusion is that I have I have the previous version in actual fact I have three of them and several HomePod minis. So there is no way I’m updating thank you for being simpatico with my thoughts
I needed a 4K ATV for a new 4K TV and HomeHub as I start into a Smart Home, and I just ordered a 2021 model (32GB) from Amazon for $99. Still get Thread for future and my new TV doesn't have HDR10+ anyway. I didn't see enough advantage to spend $50 more for a 2022 with Thread support.
My ATV HD will move to bedroom/travel.
I’m still on the HD that I got in 2018. I think that this is upgrade I’ve been waiting for. Will be getting the WiFi + Ethernet one and hope that the new price point doesn’t mean that they are getting to launch one that runs on silicon at the 199 price point
If you are a home theater buff ands watch a lot. It’s totally worth it. I found that picture dynamic range seemed better but also most importantly the video scrubbing and even the audio seemed slightly improved over the 2021z nobody seems to be reviewing the AV quality or doing a genuine high end gear comparison
I also use a second unit rigorously for music and Apple fitness with various AirPlay speakers. The 2021 was buggy when it came to volume control and audio. The 2022 is Instant and fast
If you ser the video that is in Dolby vision needs then that could be an important question. But one question supports the new higher audio sampling rate higher 48 kHz Thus, those who are interested in Hi-res music on eg Apple music or music with spatial sound in headphones that Apple music supports
What if you put one upstairs without a cable eternet
QUESTION/HELP: can it operate on 220Volts AC power source?
Does it work with the external sound bar? Via Bluetooth or the HDMI- ARC out ?
Especially the Apple TV 4K 2022?
So here’s something I feel is odd (unless I am wrong, which is quite possible ;-}. I can turn off my Apple TV using Siri, but if I put it in my goodnight automation it doesn’t work. Is there a way to put it in there so it does turn off?
Thanks in advance.
Thread, never heard of it but from what you were saying, happy for it to go away. Too much junk on the bands as it is, why keep adding more noise.
Can you finally download purchased movies to this device or is it still too early for such technological wonders?
With WiFi 6 support on the Apple TV 4K(WiFi) and a couple Home Pod mini units with thread, you should be covered for all you HomeKit support needs! But, as a power user, I’d still go with the Ethernet version. 😊
I agree. It's more about those who may just be getting started with HomeKit. Those that may not have HomePods in every room. That's why I would like to see thread supported on both models.
I'm still using the 2017 model and see no reason to upgrade, except the newer remote is probably better.
Is anything upgraded relative to HomePod Mini?
I think the title is wrong.. I think it should merely be Apple Announces new Apple TV's 2022 and here are my recommendations, instead of jumping into the negative zone of NOT..
It would be really nice if Apple were just consistent, as you noted makes no sense to remove Thread from the cheaper model, however unless this does require something specific in the hardware, perhaps Apple can add it back in a future TV OS update.
If you already have a 2021 model, there is probably not a compelling reason to upgrade. Though its possible this is a pre-cursor to other products that may require the higher processor and memory features that the new models have.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thread does require a specific hardware radio, so I don't think we'll see it updated via firmware in the future.
@@ShaneCreates thanks, was not sure if there was some hardware requirement, does seem that to save a dime they leave out something like that... occasionally Apple shoots itself in the foot...
Great synopsis. I think the underwhelming updates to iPad and Apple TV explain why there was no official launch event but rather some press release updates. Apple should understand that if they give their audience a decent reason to upgrade, we will do it. These provide no reason to upgrade from my vantage.
Totally;)
I think Apple here is probably just envisioning a longer upgrade cycle, as there’s rarely a need to upgrade these unless the upgrade brings you a feature or capability you want.
@@asdf51501 I have the non-4k (HD) version with the old remote that I'm not a big fan of, so this isn't a bad upgrade for me.
@@LearnAtMyExpense I agree, this sounds like a great upgrade for you. 😃👍🏻
@Dr. Cole Sorry, but why should you upgrade every year? Or Apple give a reason to do so? These are "cheaper" models to gain new market share, that's it. We live in critical times where we should stop over-consuming products because there's a lack of microchips...
Like what feature do you really need from a video streamer that would make you spend another 150$ for a new one (part from going from 1080p to 4k)? That's the price of a whole year's subscription to a video streaming service!
I still have the Apple TV HD from 2017 I think, and it's kinda slow now, but I don't have a 4k TV yet, so no point in upgrading.
I got the higher end model with Ethernet, device is just a great as its predecessor. The biggest issue is the remote charging, going USB-C removing the lightning port is annoying, adding another expense to owning Apple products. They need to go back to including at least the charging cables with their products 😤
Upgrade - no, but as a first time Apple TV buyer, im excited for the 128gb model!
Also, the tvOS updates has been meh the past 2 years. I think they are making something big.
They better
To do stereo hompods don’t I need this version of Apple TV?
As permanent default audio for the Apple TV? The 2021 model and the 2022 model can do that. Any of them can airplay to stereo HomePods.