I hope this video helps you if you're looking for a way to draw side profiles for your characters. Too many art tutorial videos nowadays present only one right way to do things, and that's simply not true. There are exceptions to every art "rule." We need to start treating them as learning guides instead of absolute laws to live by.
As a reminder that specific facial feature of the lips bypassing the line from nose tip to chin isn't soley a feature of black races, so feel free to put it on pretty much any character if you want them to have that face shape.
yeah theres tons of other people with these features, not to mention there are mixed races as well and ancestry things and everyone is unique and different art can be abstract or however u picture it, its ur own world
@@soobabeFr like I have black characters who don’t have “black features” or 4c hair And some do Playing around with features is fun thought, the who world is full of diverse people! :3
Im so glad that people of the art community are REALIZING that art tutorials should just be a BASIC understanding not a requirement. We are growing and its good.
As a mixed race person, I think what a lot of artists have to accept is that all sorts of people look all sorts of ways, and that all these rules are gonna not apply to someone. And even if you try to apply different rules to different types of people, you’re going to find people in that group who also break those rules and look different from how typing that group would suggest they “should” look. I think, in art, we have to stop drawing what we think people should look like, and start drawing what people look like to us on a case by case basis.
EXACTLY why references are so important.. I get mad when people make rules for drawing guys and girls too. Like, not every girl is gonna have curves and an hourglass figure and not every guy is gonna have broad shoulders
Idk sometimes people just don't know how to draw us either that or they are scared. If your art has a specific style and or your used to something specific it can be hard to re wire how you draw. I draw A lot of POC people mainly because I am one. I am not critical of people who draw generally white characteristics/ stuff that doesn't look like me, I don't care because l do the same thing but with people of color.
The rules EXIST to be broken. Like the loomis facial thirds. Having some standard to keep in mind is how you notice what makes your subject unique. It doesn't even matter if the standard is truly representative of the average person, so long as it gets you focusing on aspects of a face people are likely to notice the most.
I love that you and Ethan take the moment of this controversy to foucus on _constructive_ ways on how to draw different head shapes, instead of joining in on the _drama_
I don’t need someone explaining their side of the drama. What I needed was an explanation on why it was wrong and how to work around it. And I’ve been looking for a lesson on different facial structures so Sam and Ethan came in clutch.
He doesn’t tho. They don’t expressively tell you that there is nuance in proportions, instead they try to tell that it’s wrong and then cherry-pick examples where it doesn’t apply.
@@zzodysseuszz umm, yes he does… _„They try to tell you it’s wrong“_ Let’s have a look at just the first two minutes: At 0:46 he starts with an example where the guideline does apply, and only then proceeds to show with another example that it doesn’t apply all the time though. After that he elaborates that guidelines are just that, that their purpose is merely to _„help you learn“, „to make it easier to draw your characters“._ _“They don‘t expressively tell you that there is nuance in proportions“_ He not only _tells_ it: 10:11 _“That‘s why it’s not a rule and we can always go beyond the boundaries of these ✅❎ arttips.“_ He then goes on to criticise that there’s no more _nuance_ in this world and shows artworks that *are* more „nuanced“. But he also *shows* it: He shows faces where the guideline applies, where faces exceed the chin-nose-line and when he draws his own face he shows that some faces don’t exceed or follow but actually fall short of the line. „They […] cherry pick examples where it doesn’t apply“ That is not cherrypicking. He elaborated and proved that it sometimes works and then shows methods how more African looking side profiles can be achieved, for which he uses - surprise - African faces. Do you even watch videos before commenting?
@@sweetie_bunsexactly like every non black person has suddenly termed it as a drama just because they don't understand. The apology is not even theirs to accept but they're like i, a non black person forgive that artist so now if you being black have an issue with it you're just being dramatic. Like?? It's not drama?? It's an actual issue??
@@mksketchms right the entire idea that this ok art advice what people are complaining about how it isn’t and what drama is their? I only see people explaining the issue
@@tantotheraider2425don’t be dense. The way most of these comments are reducing it to simply JUST “drama” in a flippant and dismissive way ignores that it’s actually an issue to think critically about; not some cornball discourse. There’s the difference.
I mean theyre not necessarily outrageous like in this case theyre very useful in quick anime animations its just people take them too literally and apply it to everything even where you shouldn't
@@lunemlp Thats true but style doesnt mean you can completely ignore things such as anatomy which are art tips. Get 2 different full body sketches from 2 completely different styles, and if you look at it in the end the way the anatomy was built is the same.
@@Unairu_PSF yes!! it depends on the art tip too, some are based only on stereotypes and others are useful and real tips, I think this difference matters a lot, beginner artists should have this filter and this should also be talked about more
The issue is people forget that face shapes differ as much as bodies.. the race isn't always part of it too! people are simply shaped differently :) nothing is wrong with how anyone looks like, you are great the way you are we are supposed to look (even if so lightly) different
Yeah my top lip kind of sticks out a bit because of my front teeth, I’m getting braces soon for that but yeah. That’s why I hate these stupid yes and no art tips.
It's great that instead of bullying and insulting the artist who caused the drama with her words Sam chose to make it into educational video. I saw people starting to insult her and calling her art ugly and boring and how it has anything to do? Is it really a right response to the situation? I doubt that, so it's great to see that people like Sam exist in the art community
@LOVE-510 the targetted groups are not obligated to "educate" everyone. This is the year 2023, if one has the audacity to make remarks like that it's pretty straight forward- they are ignorant. They deserve the wrath coming their way
@LOVE-510 "exactly why I hate art community" Oh I see, people raising their voice against social ills that affect them is what you hate to see huh🤐 lol
I LOVE WHEN ARTISTS ADDRESS "rules" that are really just tropes or usages of measurement to help an individuals process. Great usage of your guests' content.
In summary, for what Sam didn’t outright say: “do this not that” or “never do this” art tips SUCK. They are not the final ending to your art journey and they should never be treated that way.
Honestly, these art tips are more like... this is how you draw in MY STYLE and MY STYLE is the only RIGHT STYLE. But also, the artists who do this tend to have same face syndrome. So I'm not impressed. 😂 Probably says a lot that the more experienced artists never post videos like that...
@@s0ls0l.mp3 You forget how impressionable young artists are. It's up to them to pick the tips they wanna follow, but content creators should be aware of the shit they're putting out too. If you're gonna teach someone, don't screw them over FFS.
@@z_.5557 It wasn't bad advice. It was an art tip the whole goddamn art industry uses, including the masters, so get your shit right. The only mistake you can make as a teacher in this circumstance is outright telling them you have to follow the art tip like a book.
yeah, because of the drama. Everyone's heavily policing how artists should draw POC features now because if you get one thing wrong, you're automatically "racist" lmfao
@@MakoX623 🤦 your take is HORRENDOUS, imma explain why the recent drama exists rq: Kooleen specifies she only draws "beautiful people", then she has never drawn POC, sharing art tips that aren't inclusive to face shapes, eye shapes, lip shapes etc. its not just a race thing, its also abt what people consider beautiful being so unrealistic and flat.
@@MakoX623not rlly lol. Kooleen doesn’t draw features outside of Eurocentric and is constantly promoting only drawing “beautiful people”. Of course, you don’t have to draw black people, but people still need to understand that “different features ≠ ugly”. Unlike Kooleen, Sam does draw many characters with lighter skin, but he doesn’t actively promote only drawing “beautiful people”. I hope this made sense
@@kouignzz what you said is absolutely correct, but I would like to add the fact that Kooleen has stated many times that when she says “only draw beautiful people,” she isn’t referring to attractiveness but rather symmetrical features, as symmetry is easier for beginner artists. I think she made a mistake and didn’t mean to offend anyone, but it’s good to correct said mistake. People seem to ignore or not know this specific detail and I would like to provide it to better help people form an unbiased opinion on the matter :)
as an artist, art tips that said “do this” or “don’t do that” really held me back for a long time. finding amazing creators like sam is such a great thing that’s happened to me and my art and I appreciate it, love you sam
I draw like over 1000 people every year as a live caricature artist. Face shapes are all over the place and aren’t really tied to any race or ethnicity. There are so many exceptions I see to these guidelines. Have fun and play with facial shape possibilities!
Tbh I'm kind of glad this drama happened, if it weren't for that we wouldn't have any tutorials like this coming out. It brought a lot of awareness to something the art community was lacking. I'm glad something positive came out of this! :)
Fr im glad it not only brought forward discussion about a pressing issue in the community, but also great advice to help artists create different characters and races.
Basic lesson - Different people, different shapes. Nobody looks exactly the same. And sometimes, its an art style, sometimes its realistic. Just have fun when your drawing.
@@sweetie_buns because some people just shout their opinions and stuff get mixed up, when they could address the issue calmly to come at it directly and get a direct answer.
@@sketchy-chan the expressing there opinion are the people that are affected,their talking about the issue,this issue isn’t new it’s one of the smaller issues
@@sweetie_buns exactly, but i really don't understand why they have to shout about it, because it can all be resolved with an actual direct conversation
@@sweetie_buns The main drama is that the "wrong" rule was also referred/explicitly said and written as "gorilla looking mf" and that did NOT sit right with a lot of black people. Obvious reason bc that face type does exist, but also "gorilla looking" was used in derogatory ways to describe black people.
I love how you atleast addressed the wrong and not ignored it. Theres only three artists that I have subscribed too you,scott and jazza. Y'all very nice and give me happiness when I am at worse point of my life
This video really helps me because the guidelines, as Sam said, are for beginners starting out, but the more you get experienced in drawing, the more you can start adding your own style and "breaking" the rules (guidelines) for how you see fit.
His art sucks, literally just paints over pictures of instagram girls. generic af. why do unskilled youtube artists alwaye think they're some kind of art geniuses. this guy shouldve gone to artschool instead of drawing minors 😂
I've always hated when people try to act like there's a right and wrong way to draw something. I much more prefer when people just show different ways to draw something without telling you you're drawing something wrong
And that's why nowadays we have Banksy instead of Donatello, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci etc... Skin texture with pores and veins on MARBLE?! Majestic. Nowadays we get "BIg LiPs nO fOllOw RuLes. mE mAkE NeW RuLe jUsT fOr BlAckS, So unReAliStic UglY cArtOon DraWinG bE RePreSeNTaTioN anD vIrtUe SigNal". This shit is so cringe that when I hear "art community" all I imagine is the WORST Tumblr gay porn and "fanart" from a 20yo doing UA-cam videos while struggling on student debt, just so they can throw everything they learned and make stuff up.
@@kato093 I'm kinda interested how bad it is. Do you have a link to the worst Tumblr gay porn? I know it's easy to find like straight ones because of the pornbots.
@@joutakujo9773 no 😂 I don't use Tumblr or seek that trash. Ive Just seen some bad stuff posted by people on Twitter and reddit from Tumblr. It's pretty disgusting shit. Mainly animals, with prolapsed assholes getting a lot of stuff being done to it. No idea why gay people are so into eating shit btw. Is it like a statement "no, assholes aren't dirty" because they can have "sex" only with that? Cuz that is beyond disgusting.
Thanks Sam for taking the time to fully expand on Ethan's video! It's very helpful not just to be able to draw different ethnicities, but also to be able to push the guidelines and make unique characters that also are recognizably from different backgrounds. This is very powerful advice!
Sam's videos do really help me get motivation to draw, i can always learn something new or just watch about things i already knew. I'm happy that Sam stayed out of the drama and actually tried to teach us that drawing a side profile has no rules and easy ways how we can draw side profiles. as a person that struggles to draw side profiles these ways seem to actually be simple and understandable, i just want to thank Sam for being here to teach us and also for being so calm
Love the distinction of “guides” not rules. Guides give you a way into a drawing but then you can compare with life or photo reference to see what is unique to your subject. And those unique parts are what really bring the drawing to life. Thanks, Sam!
As a person who used to follow Kooleen's rules as a beginner artist and now has had problems drawing poc characters This video was honestly a lifesaver
And the original artist did not like what was "fixed" too. They submitted the art bc they want _actual_ advice/criticism that Kooleen didn't even give.
I'm so glad you brought this up! There's no such thing as a 'perfect face', and embracing the differences and unique qualities of these subjects is what makes the results so much more interesting and realistic. I definitely want to keep this method as a reference in the future! Also, thank you so much for making this channel. I've been following it for awhile now, and it's what inspired me to start an art UA-cam of my own! Your art and advice are so real and good in a world where there's so many 'hacks' and cheap art tips. I actually learned how to draw better because of you, unlike so many other channels!
This is why using visual references from real life are so important!! Relying on guidelines can be helpful, especially for beginners, but it can also get echo-chambery and risks making you stagnant in your art (ie you start assuming there are no exceptions to the guidelines and accept them as rules). Looking at real pictures will always force you to see details you wouldnt have considered, such as the nose/lip/chin ratio as shown in the video. Great explanations all around!!! I definitely learned something from this :)
i love u sm sam, u motivated me to start doing art again after a while. i took a break because i was unmotivated and didnt like my art. i started watching u on yt after some tiktoks of u and i havent stopped and since then i started putting more effort into my art because its something im passionate about. tysm for doing what u do and im glad ur staying out of drama haha
I just tested out the method along with ya Sam on paper. It actually helped me understand making heads a bit better. Glad to have found the art community. It's been a blast learning from both you and than to help me as a art baby slowly grow overtime. :)
It's almost as if different races will have different physical apperances oOo When will these "Artists" realize that not everyone is going to fit into the perfect "One size fits all" structure?
Even most artist knows this. It's mostly people who only know how to draw one way and try to apply that as a set rule when we all have different styles
I think a lot of people don't do enough life studies of the different shapes the human face can have. They stick to their box that is their style and don't branch out. Not saying that is wrong but it is wrong to tell others that your way is the right way, because that really gives beginners the wrong impressions
This isnt only a lesson for the babies, but a lesson for mediocre/professional artists too! Love that, and I hope Kool-aid sees this and learns too! No bad intentions behind my remark about her, just hope she improves, like we all should. Love all of your guys' content. Ethan, Kool-aid, and you have taught me a lot, thanks. ✍️😚
I always had a problem sketching side profiles but once I found out about this new method it helped soo much, thanks for always teaching us art babies sam ❤
holy my art just got better, thank you! i literally cant believe how drastically your simple tutorial changed my art, i wanna watch more of your tutorials now
This is so true. I ended up taking a picture of myself in that position, and guess what? My bottom lip goes over the line, but my top lip sits right over the line! To draw myself, I would need to merge the two methods! Unfortunately, the technique Ethan uses doesn't work for my face. Being Brazilian is about remembering that in our country, we are so mixed and that this is something that makes us unique! Just like all countries where miscegenation occurs frequently! Thank you, Sam, for touching on this important subject in such a didactic way.
Thank you! I’ve been having a hard time drawing lips on side profiles and this helps a lot with the general “rules” that can help me draw. You’re awesome!
This video is so calm, helpful, easy to understand and apply, and educational! I had stopped watching after the controversy but this video made me love Sam again 😭💕 So happy to have an artist I can enjoy watching 💕💕💕💕
I'm happy a lot of artists are actually using this as an experience to learn. I've learned a lot about how to draw different people in my style! Growing your art is never a bad thing!
I'm so glad to see guides for drawing non-white people. I do art as a hobby and I usually draw people closest to me, I've been struggling to find guides or tips to make drawing easier particularly black people because of my boyfriend and I'm always so happy to find some helpful way to draw him and other non-white people!!
Indians, middle easterners and many others have similar facial features to ' white ' people. Are we white now, too? Only blacks being outraged again over some stupid stuff.
Props to him for avoiding the drama, and making this a learning lesson for everyone. It’s not like you can’t address it, i just think it’s better to teach people to avoid these “rules” so they can avoid drama like this in the future
While the criticism was more towards her comment on the features being “gorilla like, I do agree that art tips like these are really helpful to people who struggle w/ drawing diverse characters
This video perfectly explains why Sam is my favorite artist, as a black girl I didn’t even notice these little details in side profiles, but am glad to learn this so I can improve my art ❤❤
Thanks for this! It certainly breaks that notion in my head that facial profiles are done only in a certain way. We definitely need a reminder like this.😊
I love how you and ethan are not discussing much of the drama but more of there technical aspects of it. to teach people that there are always other ways. I have gained loads of respect for you! :)
We all really just need to use references. It makes a world of a difference, you can never have too many references. So many different ethnicities fall in between both methods. :D
I love Sam’s typical content, but I really thought this video in particular was very useful and well put together. I can proudly say that a single video has thought me more about face proportions than a week of art school. Sam pls make more videos about other body proportions ❤
Its so nice to see this broken down. I struggle so hard drawing lips at all from a profile bc everyone looks like their doing ducklips or pursing their lips reallt hard
if you guys want to learn how to draw black people and prevent making unintentionally offensive art, i suggest learning from black creators. so many black creators have so much wisdom to give but not the deserved audience! expand your horizons, look at art and people from other cultures, and let it inform your art. it can only do you good
Do you have any recommendations for black artists (on UA-cam)? I really want to learn how to draw POCs but I’m not sure where to look and the algorithm has other ideas.
Unintentionally offensive art is such a stupid term. It's funny everyone says "Art is subjective and you can draw your own style how you want" But if you draw other races YOUR way then you are offensive and racist. Fucking losers
@@cloudyrice497 Mohammed Agbadi is a black content creator who has some pretty good commentary, AND is pretty pro at drawing all kinds of different people.
its nice to see someone actually doing traditinal art as well with pencil and paper,. as someone who draws that way its hard to find tutorials these days online.
I am glad that he created this video, but also understand that some black people can fit under the line instead of the curve and that not all black characters need the curve to be defined as black. There are a lot of races that are blessed with big lips so keep that in mind too
This is an amazing tutorial. Not every tutorial is going to work for every situation. You need to look into multiple references to get the outcome you want! Pretending a tutorial for a specific artstyle works for all art probably isnt going to work for every situation and this proves it in a respectful way :)
I appreciate your insightful breakdown of these art "rules" and how you've explored alternatives. It's clear you're dedicated to helping artists improve. Can you share more instances where you've challenged conventional art advice and discovered innovative approaches?
I love how Sam just "doesn't" with the drama, but instead fixes it, we need more people like Sam out in the art world istg Also... do I see Gundam or Evangelions in the background :0
Thankfully the United States is not a homogenous country. But many times there will be a small group that can’t handle different, unusual to them, and unique, etc. This is “The Great experiment.” A beautiful one where people can appreciate the OTHERNESS of others, as well as recognizing themselves as OTHERNESS to others.
i like how you don't absolutely focus on the drama and exposing kooleen and all, but instead you focus on helping us art babies and teaching telling us what's right and what's wrong, props to sam 👍
@@yayaygirlhe just said that "I hope you are taking it well" something for the hate she was getting, Criticism is okay but hate is nevr the right thing to do
@@workingatfathersmcdonaldI think him being nice to Kooleen is fine, but he did accept her apology which was kind of weird. That apology was for her black fans to accept, not him or any non-black person. I’m glad he’s actually criticizing her ‘rule’, but I still don’t think he had any place in accepting her apology. Extreme example, but it would almost be like if Kanye apologized for being anti-semitic, and I, a black person, accepted the apology on the behalf of Jewish people. That is obviously not in my place!
@@shirendjorgee9320 I don't want to start anything! This is just a genuine question, how did he accept her apology? To me it just seemed like he was making sure she was okay? (I'm not saying either is right or wrong, I'm just genuinely confused)
I just realized this man has the best figures of Optimus prime and Megatron on display. You’ve earned my respect 🫡 👍 great art and advice as always. Thank you and have a lovely day
glad you also took the time to learn these guidelines as well even beyond this current issue i know there has been issues in the past of the art community not really understanding or knowing how to draw African or black characters
That first one bothers me so much because the jaw that's used as an example for what is right is based on people with bad jaw structure caused by bad mouth structure.
"Marco Bucci " is a very underrated Artist on UA-cam. His Art tips are actually very useful ( and I've learned alot) since he started his Art journey from Scratch. If You have watched the video titled "How I became an Artist without Talent" , then you'd know who I'm talking about. It's sad that only Clout chasers and people with dry Ahh Humor gets the Recognition. Maybe take this as a lesson to give some recognition to ACTUAL Artists on UA-cam.
@@HystericalDarkAlphonse dun is the top G in explaining urban sketching look at Trevor also old person with insane architecture drawing My personal favorite is Albert keifer
I just hate this weird gatekeeping bullshit where people are like "You need to do things like this or you're bad/racist" Like..... Okay.... Cool....... I guess I just won't draw black people then if people are going to be weird about it....... I don't know how that benefits anyone or anything, but you win. You get less representation, I guess. Whatever.
Can we just appreciate that Sam gave us practical advice, and didn't dive into the drama, because really, I just want to learn how to make my faces better
I hope this video helps you if you're looking for a way to draw side profiles for your characters. Too many art tutorial videos nowadays present only one right way to do things, and that's simply not true. There are exceptions to every art "rule." We need to start treating them as learning guides instead of absolute laws to live by.
Agreed. SamSpeaksFax #samspeaksfacts
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Agreed, Sam. Thanks for teaching us something new.
thanks.learned new things
Alright " young Asian boy " LMAO 🤣🤣
I love that Sam focuses on teaching us art babies how to fix the issue rather then just talking about the problem
exactly, breaking it down and giving out beneficial information like this is always good
thats why we love sam 🙏
@@soobabe EXACTLYY
Agreed 💯🔥
Yep one of the reasons I love Sam ☺️❤️
@@soobabeexactly like that helps us a lot in our art journey
Props to Sam for not ignoring the issue, but instead adressing the heart of it without getting caught up in the dramatics.
Agreed
'Dramatics'....uhuh..sure
Hmm dramatics ok
@@CloudISemothat wasn’t what they were trying to say, probably more like “kooleen drama”
@@amandaa8280 That doesnt make it sound better.
As a reminder that specific facial feature of the lips bypassing the line from nose tip to chin isn't soley a feature of black races, so feel free to put it on pretty much any character if you want them to have that face shape.
yeah theres tons of other people with these features, not to mention there are mixed races as well and ancestry things and everyone is unique and different
art can be abstract or however u picture it, its ur own world
@@soobabeFr like I have black characters who don’t have “black features” or 4c hair
And some do
Playing around with features is fun thought, the who world is full of diverse people! :3
So true, as an Asian myself, I have similar facial feature to this tutorial
So true, as a south Asian, I’ve even many with this feature
holy crap im half Filipino and i have a bit of this feature too. it’s funny cuz Kooleen is literally Filipino as well 😂
Im so glad that people of the art community are REALIZING that art tutorials should just be a BASIC understanding not a requirement. We are growing and its good.
My method is that I make shit up
@@realdragoni use that method too bro, works everytime
As a mixed race person, I think what a lot of artists have to accept is that all sorts of people look all sorts of ways, and that all these rules are gonna not apply to someone. And even if you try to apply different rules to different types of people, you’re going to find people in that group who also break those rules and look different from how typing that group would suggest they “should” look.
I think, in art, we have to stop drawing what we think people should look like, and start drawing what people look like to us on a case by case basis.
EXACTLY why references are so important.. I get mad when people make rules for drawing guys and girls too. Like, not every girl is gonna have curves and an hourglass figure and not every guy is gonna have broad shoulders
Also as a mixed race person, I agree:)
Idk sometimes people just don't know how to draw us either that or they are scared. If your art has a specific style and or your used to something specific it can be hard to re wire how you draw. I draw A lot of POC people mainly because I am one. I am not critical of people who draw generally white characteristics/ stuff that doesn't look like me, I don't care because l do the same thing but with people of color.
The rules EXIST to be broken. Like the loomis facial thirds. Having some standard to keep in mind is how you notice what makes your subject unique.
It doesn't even matter if the standard is truly representative of the average person, so long as it gets you focusing on aspects of a face people are likely to notice the most.
what about anime
I love that you and Ethan take the moment of this controversy to foucus on _constructive_ ways on how to draw different head shapes, instead of joining in on the _drama_
I don’t need someone explaining their side of the drama. What I needed was an explanation on why it was wrong and how to work around it. And I’ve been looking for a lesson on different facial structures so Sam and Ethan came in clutch.
He doesn’t tho. They don’t expressively tell you that there is nuance in proportions, instead they try to tell that it’s wrong and then cherry-pick examples where it doesn’t apply.
@@zzodysseuszz
umm, yes he does…
_„They try to tell you it’s wrong“_
Let’s have a look at just the first two minutes:
At 0:46 he starts with an example where the guideline does apply, and only then proceeds to show with another example that it doesn’t apply all the time though.
After that he elaborates that guidelines are just that, that their purpose is merely to _„help you learn“, „to make it easier to draw your characters“._
_“They don‘t expressively tell you that there is nuance in proportions“_
He not only _tells_ it:
10:11 _“That‘s why it’s not a rule and we can always go beyond the boundaries of these ✅❎ arttips.“_ He then goes on to criticise that there’s no more _nuance_ in this world and shows artworks that *are* more „nuanced“.
But he also *shows* it:
He shows faces where the guideline applies, where faces exceed the chin-nose-line and when he draws his own face he shows that some faces don’t exceed or follow but actually fall short of the line.
„They […] cherry pick examples where it doesn’t apply“
That is not cherrypicking. He elaborated and proved that it sometimes works and then shows methods how more African looking side profiles can be achieved, for which he uses - surprise - African faces.
Do you even watch videos before commenting?
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Its almost like there are differences in facial features (in general) between the different races...
I’m glad Sam didn’t become apart of the drama. He is always so calm. ✌️
Yes
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@@sophjie yes
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0% drama. 100% learning. That's what art is all about! Thank you, Sam, for sharing your knowledge!
Why is everyone keep saying this is drama,this is actually a big issue in the art community
@@sweetie_bunsexactly like every non black person has suddenly termed it as a drama just because they don't understand. The apology is not even theirs to accept but they're like i, a non black person forgive that artist so now if you being black have an issue with it you're just being dramatic. Like?? It's not drama?? It's an actual issue??
@@mksketchms right the entire idea that this ok art advice what people are complaining about how it isn’t and what drama is their? I only see people explaining the issue
@@mksketchms... that is drama.
@@tantotheraider2425don’t be dense. The way most of these comments are reducing it to simply JUST “drama” in a flippant and dismissive way ignores that it’s actually an issue to think critically about; not some cornball discourse. There’s the difference.
This is why references are important. It's easy to get caught up in the little tips and tricks and forget to just look at real life
My mind is absolutely blown at the fact that a tiny detail can change SO MUCH in a character!
i love how everyone is now starting to realize how ridiculous some of these “art tips” are.
I mean theyre not necessarily outrageous like in this case theyre very useful in quick anime animations its just people take them too literally and apply it to everything even where you shouldn't
frr, everyone have their own art style
@@lunemlp Thats true but style doesnt mean you can completely ignore things such as anatomy which are art tips. Get 2 different full body sketches from 2 completely different styles, and if you look at it in the end the way the anatomy was built is the same.
@@Unairu_PSF yes!! it depends on the art tip too, some are based only on stereotypes and others are useful and real tips, I think this difference matters a lot, beginner artists should have this filter and this should also be talked about more
I'm ur 1k like! :)
The issue is people forget that face shapes differ as much as bodies.. the race isn't always part of it too! people are simply shaped differently :)
nothing is wrong with how anyone looks like, you are great the way you are
we are supposed to look (even if so lightly) different
everyones unique and its completely natural, keep speaking facts 🙏
Yeah my top lip kind of sticks out a bit because of my front teeth, I’m getting braces soon for that but yeah. That’s why I hate these stupid yes and no art tips.
Perfectly ugly we are 😢
@@soobabe uniquely ugly in our own ways
It's not race. Race is not a real thing. All humans today and for the past 200 thousand years are part of the same race.
It's great that instead of bullying and insulting the artist who caused the drama with her words Sam chose to make it into educational video. I saw people starting to insult her and calling her art ugly and boring and how it has anything to do? Is it really a right response to the situation? I doubt that, so it's great to see that people like Sam exist in the art community
People have all the right to get mad at her. Idk why y'all think poc are dumb and don't know how to react to shit like this.
@LOVE-510 I agree with you guys so much
@@xyzabc-nu3vd yeah i think so too
@LOVE-510 the targetted groups are not obligated to "educate" everyone. This is the year 2023, if one has the audacity to make remarks like that it's pretty straight forward- they are ignorant. They deserve the wrath coming their way
@LOVE-510 "exactly why I hate art community"
Oh I see, people raising their voice against social ills that affect them is what you hate to see huh🤐 lol
I LOVE WHEN ARTISTS ADDRESS "rules" that are really just tropes or usages of measurement to help an individuals process. Great usage of your guests' content.
In summary, for what Sam didn’t outright say: “do this not that” or “never do this” art tips SUCK. They are not the final ending to your art journey and they should never be treated that way.
We can keep going without the chicken scratches, though. Makes me feel like I forgot to grab my glasses, lol.
Honestly, these art tips are more like... this is how you draw in MY STYLE and MY STYLE is the only RIGHT STYLE. But also, the artists who do this tend to have same face syndrome. So I'm not impressed. 😂 Probably says a lot that the more experienced artists never post videos like that...
art tips don't suck. they're just meant to make art easier. they only start to suck when you take them as the fucking law. your fault, not the tip.
@@s0ls0l.mp3 You forget how impressionable young artists are. It's up to them to pick the tips they wanna follow, but content creators should be aware of the shit they're putting out too.
If you're gonna teach someone, don't screw them over FFS.
@@z_.5557 It wasn't bad advice. It was an art tip the whole goddamn art industry uses, including the masters, so get your shit right.
The only mistake you can make as a teacher in this circumstance is outright telling them you have to follow the art tip like a book.
i love the fact that sam mainly draws lighter skinned people, but still takes the time to understand other ethnic features and ways to draw them
yeah, because of the drama. Everyone's heavily policing how artists should draw POC features now because if you get one thing wrong, you're automatically "racist" lmfao
@@MakoX623 🤦 your take is HORRENDOUS, imma explain why the recent drama exists rq:
Kooleen specifies she only draws "beautiful people", then she has never drawn POC, sharing art tips that aren't inclusive to face shapes, eye shapes, lip shapes etc.
its not just a race thing, its also abt what people consider beautiful being so unrealistic and flat.
@@MakoX623not rlly lol. Kooleen doesn’t draw features outside of Eurocentric and is constantly promoting only drawing “beautiful people”. Of course, you don’t have to draw black people, but people still need to understand that “different features ≠ ugly”. Unlike Kooleen, Sam does draw many characters with lighter skin, but he doesn’t actively promote only drawing “beautiful people”. I hope this made sense
@@kouignzz what you said is absolutely correct, but I would like to add the fact that Kooleen has stated many times that when she says “only draw beautiful people,” she isn’t referring to attractiveness but rather symmetrical features, as symmetry is easier for beginner artists. I think she made a mistake and didn’t mean to offend anyone, but it’s good to correct said mistake. People seem to ignore or not know this specific detail and I would like to provide it to better help people form an unbiased opinion on the matter :)
@@bluejae1396 ah i see. Thanks for the info :D
as an artist, art tips that said “do this” or “don’t do that” really held me back for a long time. finding amazing creators like sam is such a great thing that’s happened to me and my art and I appreciate it, love you sam
"stop drawing like this..."
The best art advice I've seen was "look at picture and reference picture". It applies not only to shapes but also to how light works
I draw like over 1000 people every year as a live caricature artist. Face shapes are all over the place and aren’t really tied to any race or ethnicity. There are so many exceptions I see to these guidelines. Have fun and play with facial shape possibilities!
Tbh I'm kind of glad this drama happened, if it weren't for that we wouldn't have any tutorials like this coming out. It brought a lot of awareness to something the art community was lacking. I'm glad something positive came out of this! :)
Fr im glad it not only brought forward discussion about a pressing issue in the community, but also great advice to help artists create different characters and races.
Mmm...what is the "pressing issue"? I'm confused.
We love Sam for educating us you are a saint my guy
HE IS AN ANGEL SENT BY GOD HIMSELF TO HELP US ON OUR ART JOURNEYS
Basic lesson - Different people, different shapes. Nobody looks exactly the same. And sometimes, its an art style, sometimes its realistic. Just have fun when your drawing.
a round of applause to sam for actually addressing the issue instead of getting into the drama
What drama? Like anytime a subject has a discussion why is it drama?
@@sweetie_buns because some people just shout their opinions and stuff get mixed up, when they could address the issue calmly to come at it directly and get a direct answer.
@@sketchy-chan the expressing there opinion are the people that are affected,their talking about the issue,this issue isn’t new it’s one of the smaller issues
@@sweetie_buns exactly, but i really don't understand why they have to shout about it, because it can all be resolved with an actual direct conversation
@@sweetie_buns The main drama is that the "wrong" rule was also referred/explicitly said and written as "gorilla looking mf" and that did NOT sit right with a lot of black people. Obvious reason bc that face type does exist, but also "gorilla looking" was used in derogatory ways to describe black people.
I love how you atleast addressed the wrong and not ignored it. Theres only three artists that I have subscribed too you,scott and jazza. Y'all very nice and give me happiness when I am at worse point of my life
This video really helps me because the guidelines, as Sam said, are for beginners starting out, but the more you get experienced in drawing, the more you can start adding your own style and "breaking" the rules (guidelines) for how you see fit.
Love how you turned a controversy into an actually helpful tutorial on a difficult subject to draw. Kudos :)
SamDoesFacts
CANONN!
YES
Exactly
His art sucks, literally just paints over pictures of instagram girls. generic af.
why do unskilled youtube artists alwaye think they're some kind of art geniuses.
this guy shouldve gone to artschool instead of drawing minors 😂
Love this comment 😂❤
I've always hated when people try to act like there's a right and wrong way to draw something. I much more prefer when people just show different ways to draw something without telling you you're drawing something wrong
People been wrongly taught race is only skin color. There's a lot more to it than that.
And that's why nowadays we have Banksy instead of Donatello, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci etc...
Skin texture with pores and veins on MARBLE?! Majestic.
Nowadays we get "BIg LiPs nO fOllOw RuLes. mE mAkE NeW RuLe jUsT fOr BlAckS, So unReAliStic UglY cArtOon DraWinG bE RePreSeNTaTioN anD vIrtUe SigNal".
This shit is so cringe that when I hear "art community" all I imagine is the WORST Tumblr gay porn and "fanart" from a 20yo doing UA-cam videos while struggling on student debt, just so they can throw everything they learned and make stuff up.
@@kato093 I'm kinda interested how bad it is. Do you have a link to the worst Tumblr gay porn? I know it's easy to find like straight ones because of the pornbots.
@@joutakujo9773 no 😂 I don't use Tumblr or seek that trash. Ive Just seen some bad stuff posted by people on Twitter and reddit from Tumblr. It's pretty disgusting shit.
Mainly animals, with prolapsed assholes getting a lot of stuff being done to it.
No idea why gay people are so into eating shit btw.
Is it like a statement "no, assholes aren't dirty" because they can have "sex" only with that? Cuz that is beyond disgusting.
About a year ago I couldn’t watch any of your content, but recently you‘be got so calm and informative, I’m hooked! Thank you
Thanks Sam for taking the time to fully expand on Ethan's video! It's very helpful not just to be able to draw different ethnicities, but also to be able to push the guidelines and make unique characters that also are recognizably from different backgrounds. This is very powerful advice!
As a rule, if I see a thumbnail be like "don't do this, do this" or "bad, ok", "no, yes" and such, I completely ignore it.
Sam's videos do really help me get motivation to draw, i can always learn something new or just watch about things i already knew. I'm happy that Sam stayed out of the drama and actually tried to teach us that drawing a side profile has no rules and easy ways how we can draw side profiles. as a person that struggles to draw side profiles these ways seem to actually be simple and understandable, i just want to thank Sam for being here to teach us and also for being so calm
Very straightforward no bs, art has no boundaries!
yep exactly
Love the distinction of “guides” not rules. Guides give you a way into a drawing but then you can compare with life or photo reference to see what is unique to your subject. And those unique parts are what really bring the drawing to life. Thanks, Sam!
As a person who used to follow Kooleen's rules as a beginner artist and now has had problems drawing poc characters
This video was honestly a lifesaver
I was literally Thinking when kooleen fixed the black woman drawing that "the eye is in the wrong place" but she ended up fixing the whole structure
And the original artist did not like what was "fixed" too. They submitted the art bc they want _actual_ advice/criticism that Kooleen didn't even give.
No the eye was too far back, it should have been closer to the nose than to the ear, in that part it was correct but the chin wasn’t
@@Thatd3addoll
Why are you saying no? That’s exactly what OG said
I love that sam ended up talking about it and educating us babys
I'm so glad you brought this up! There's no such thing as a 'perfect face', and embracing the differences and unique qualities of these subjects is what makes the results so much more interesting and realistic. I definitely want to keep this method as a reference in the future!
Also, thank you so much for making this channel. I've been following it for awhile now, and it's what inspired me to start an art UA-cam of my own! Your art and advice are so real and good in a world where there's so many 'hacks' and cheap art tips. I actually learned how to draw better because of you, unlike so many other channels!
This is why using visual references from real life are so important!! Relying on guidelines can be helpful, especially for beginners, but it can also get echo-chambery and risks making you stagnant in your art (ie you start assuming there are no exceptions to the guidelines and accept them as rules). Looking at real pictures will always force you to see details you wouldnt have considered, such as the nose/lip/chin ratio as shown in the video. Great explanations all around!!! I definitely learned something from this :)
Ethan’s video actually blew my mind when I first saw it lol, you guys are def helping us baby artists improve!
THE ART FATJER HAS POSTED YET ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO 🙏🏾🙏🏾
you are a literal art god, sam. making drama into a learning experience got my complete respect.
Hes absolutely always right, you don't have to follow a certain rule in art you just draw, and make it creative.
i love u sm sam, u motivated me to start doing art again after a while. i took a break because i was unmotivated and didnt like my art. i started watching u on yt after some tiktoks of u and i havent stopped and since then i started putting more effort into my art because its something im passionate about. tysm for doing what u do and im glad ur staying out of drama haha
you’re really good at looking a picture and knowing how to map it out 😭 one day i wanna get that good man
I just tested out the method along with ya Sam on paper. It actually helped me understand making heads a bit better. Glad to have found the art community. It's been a blast learning from both you and than to help me as a art baby slowly grow overtime. :)
It's almost as if different races will have different physical apperances oOo
When will these "Artists" realize that not everyone is going to fit into the perfect "One size fits all" structure?
Even most artist knows this. It's mostly people who only know how to draw one way and try to apply that as a set rule when we all have different styles
Most of us know that. This is just what happens when you create tutorials when you’re also learning yourself
I mean, if artist wanna draw the stereotype people then let them. Want special? Commision them
I think a lot of people don't do enough life studies of the different shapes the human face can have. They stick to their box that is their style and don't branch out. Not saying that is wrong but it is wrong to tell others that your way is the right way, because that really gives beginners the wrong impressions
This isnt only a lesson for the babies, but a lesson for mediocre/professional artists too! Love that, and I hope Kool-aid sees this and learns too! No bad intentions behind my remark about her, just hope she improves, like we all should. Love all of your guys' content. Ethan, Kool-aid, and you have taught me a lot, thanks.
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I always had a problem sketching side profiles but once I found out about this new method it helped soo much, thanks for always teaching us art babies sam ❤
holy my art just got better, thank you!
i literally cant believe how drastically your simple tutorial changed my art, i wanna watch more of your tutorials now
Elite human being. Addresses the problem not the drama. We all need to be more like Sam
This is so true. I ended up taking a picture of myself in that position, and guess what? My bottom lip goes over the line, but my top lip sits right over the line! To draw myself, I would need to merge the two methods! Unfortunately, the technique Ethan uses doesn't work for my face.
Being Brazilian is about remembering that in our country, we are so mixed and that this is something that makes us unique! Just like all countries where miscegenation occurs frequently!
Thank you, Sam, for touching on this important subject in such a didactic way.
The curve is such a smart idea omg, that‘ll help me a ton, thanks :D
Thank you! I’ve been having a hard time drawing lips on side profiles and this helps a lot with the general “rules” that can help me draw. You’re awesome!
This video is so calm, helpful, easy to understand and apply, and educational! I had stopped watching after the controversy but this video made me love Sam again 😭💕 So happy to have an artist I can enjoy watching 💕💕💕💕
I'm happy a lot of artists are actually using this as an experience to learn. I've learned a lot about how to draw different people in my style! Growing your art is never a bad thing!
I'm so glad to see guides for drawing non-white people. I do art as a hobby and I usually draw people closest to me, I've been struggling to find guides or tips to make drawing easier particularly black people because of my boyfriend and I'm always so happy to find some helpful way to draw him and other non-white people!!
highly recommend looking to black artists for more information and inspiration to draw from!
Indians, middle easterners and many others have similar facial features to ' white ' people. Are we white now, too? Only blacks being outraged again over some stupid stuff.
I’ve always had a hard time drawing side profiles. But this video helped so much oh my goodness. Sam I can’t thank you enough!
Thank you! You didn’t put anybody down, you didn’t cause drama, and you didn’t make things worse. You explained why it wouldn’t work.
Props to him for avoiding the drama, and making this a learning lesson for everyone. It’s not like you can’t address it, i just think it’s better to teach people to avoid these “rules” so they can avoid drama like this in the future
While the criticism was more towards her comment on the features being “gorilla like, I do agree that art tips like these are really helpful to people who struggle w/ drawing diverse characters
love how sam doesn't even need to draw just to inspire me !
This video perfectly explains why Sam is my favorite artist, as a black girl I didn’t even notice these little details in side profiles, but am glad to learn this so I can improve my art ❤❤
me too lol We are not the only one that take a photo to verify
2:06 is the most hillarious bit on your channel yet. Just that genuine "he really REALLY inspired me" and the Ethan, all serious lmao
Thanks for this! It certainly breaks that notion in my head that facial profiles are done only in a certain way. We definitely need a reminder like this.😊
I love how you and ethan are not discussing much of the drama but more of there technical aspects of it. to teach people that there are always other ways. I have gained loads of respect for you! :)
sam destroying kooleen and pinterest advice in one fell swoop and he didn't even have to participate in the drama. A King as always
We all really just need to use references. It makes a world of a difference, you can never have too many references. So many different ethnicities fall in between both methods. :D
8:02 I legit giggled at this part because Sam sounds so teasing lol
I love Sam’s typical content, but I really thought this video in particular was very useful and well put together. I can proudly say that a single video has thought me more about face proportions than a week of art school. Sam pls make more videos about other body proportions ❤
As a pretty new character artist, I've felt really bogged down by all these "rules"... Thank you soooo much for this!! I'm hella inspired 🎉
art don't need rules. tha's why it's called "art".
luv u, Sam ✨
totally agree.
Been watching you for a year and yet you never seem to stop amazing me 🙏🏽
This was not only helpful but hilarious 🤣
I was here to learn and learn I did, but boy was I also entertained. Kudos!!!
Its so nice to see this broken down. I struggle so hard drawing lips at all from a profile bc everyone looks like their doing ducklips or pursing their lips reallt hard
Thank you I’ve been struggling to drawing poc characters, this made life makes so much more sense and easier.
if you guys want to learn how to draw black people and prevent making unintentionally offensive art, i suggest learning from black creators. so many black creators have so much wisdom to give but not the deserved audience!
expand your horizons, look at art and people from other cultures, and let it inform your art. it can only do you good
Do you have any recommendations for black artists (on UA-cam)? I really want to learn how to draw POCs but I’m not sure where to look and the algorithm has other ideas.
This❤
Unintentionally offensive art is such a stupid term. It's funny everyone says "Art is subjective and you can draw your own style how you want" But if you draw other races YOUR way then you are offensive and racist. Fucking losers
@@cloudyrice497 Mohammed Agbadi is a black content creator who has some pretty good commentary, AND is pretty pro at drawing all kinds of different people.
@cloudyrice497 Likelihood art❤❤❤
Her art is soon beautiful, makes my heart melt
Sam is such a good artists
Thank you for always educating the art babies
its nice to see someone actually doing traditinal art as well with pencil and paper,. as someone who draws that way its hard to find tutorials these days online.
Dude is too chill to be the part of any drama
im so glad you made a video about that
I am glad that he created this video, but also understand that some black people can fit under the line instead of the curve and that not all black characters need the curve to be defined as black.
There are a lot of races that are blessed with big lips so keep that in mind too
I love Sams videos they always give me motivation to draw!
Thank you so much for this! I always struggle with side profiles and this helps a lot.
This is an amazing tutorial. Not every tutorial is going to work for every situation. You need to look into multiple references to get the outcome you want! Pretending a tutorial for a specific artstyle works for all art probably isnt going to work for every situation and this proves it in a respectful way :)
I like how instead getting involved with the drama you gave pretty good advices!
“Drama”
I appreciate your insightful breakdown of these art "rules" and how you've explored alternatives. It's clear you're dedicated to helping artists improve. Can you share more instances where you've challenged conventional art advice and discovered innovative approaches?
Breaking free from conventional 'art rules' can open up a world of creativity and self-expression. Great insights in this video!
I love how Sam just "doesn't" with the drama, but instead fixes it, we need more people like Sam out in the art world istg
Also... do I see Gundam or Evangelions in the background :0
This video helped me so much with profiles, i just meet your channel, but you already won my attention! Thanks, Sam!!
Thankfully the United States is not a homogenous country. But many times there will be a small group that can’t handle different, unusual to them, and unique, etc.
This is “The Great experiment.” A beautiful one where people can appreciate the OTHERNESS of others, as well as recognizing themselves as OTHERNESS to others.
i like how you don't absolutely focus on the drama and exposing kooleen and all, but instead you focus on helping us art babies and teaching telling us what's right and what's wrong, props to sam 👍
I was waiting for sam to react to this ! there where rumors that he's okay with this 💀✨
It’s just tiktok spreading stuff before the actual person says anything 💀 I also saw those rumors
@@Urmommmmmmmmmmm904it’s cuz he replied to kooleens apology post and he was supporting her
@@yayaygirlhe just said that "I hope you are taking it well" something for the hate she was getting, Criticism is okay but hate is nevr the right thing to do
@@workingatfathersmcdonaldI think him being nice to Kooleen is fine, but he did accept her apology which was kind of weird. That apology was for her black fans to accept, not him or any non-black person. I’m glad he’s actually criticizing her ‘rule’, but I still don’t think he had any place in accepting her apology. Extreme example, but it would almost be like if Kanye apologized for being anti-semitic, and I, a black person, accepted the apology on the behalf of Jewish people. That is obviously not in my place!
@@shirendjorgee9320 I don't want to start anything! This is just a genuine question, how did he accept her apology? To me it just seemed like he was making sure she was okay? (I'm not saying either is right or wrong, I'm just genuinely confused)
I just realized this man has the best figures of Optimus prime and Megatron on display. You’ve earned my respect 🫡 👍 great art and advice as always. Thank you and have a lovely day
glad you also took the time to learn these guidelines as well even beyond this current issue i know there has been issues in the past of the art community not really understanding or knowing how to draw African or black characters
That first one bothers me so much because the jaw that's used as an example for what is right is based on people with bad jaw structure caused by bad mouth structure.
This is so true, because not everyone looks the same! :)
"Marco Bucci " is a very underrated Artist on UA-cam. His Art tips are actually very useful ( and I've learned alot) since he started his Art journey from Scratch. If You have watched the video titled "How I became an Artist without Talent" , then you'd know who I'm talking about.
It's sad that only Clout chasers and people with dry Ahh Humor gets the Recognition. Maybe take this as a lesson to give some recognition to ACTUAL Artists on UA-cam.
Another artist I like is Alphonse Dunn, his videos are usually pretty straightfoward
@@HystericalDarkAlphonse dun is the top G in explaining urban sketching look at Trevor also old person with insane architecture drawing
My personal favorite is Albert keifer
I just hate this weird gatekeeping bullshit where people are like "You need to do things like this or you're bad/racist"
Like..... Okay.... Cool....... I guess I just won't draw black people then if people are going to be weird about it....... I don't know how that benefits anyone or anything, but you win. You get less representation, I guess. Whatever.
This video makes me sm more confident in drawing characters of any race, thank you sam!
Can we just appreciate that Sam gave us practical advice, and didn't dive into the drama, because really, I just want to learn how to make my faces better