EV Facts: Debunking More Misinformation
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2024
- I know these types of videos are not popular, but they are, nevertheless, important for one simple purpose:
The lies about EVs will spread round the entire world while the truth is still pulling on its boots!
This video debunks these five misconceptions...
1) Traction Battery Failures and Costs
2) EVs Do Not Save You Month in the Long Term
3) Not Enough Chargers for Road Trips
4) EVs Cost Too Much
5) EVs Weigh Too Much
The facts speak for themselves and anyone who can do basic math can understand! EVs are less expensive to own and operate. Period!
I will continue to wear my hip-waders as I trek my way through the mire and muck created and paid for by the Fossil Fuel Cartels.
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It will be a great day when all the courier companies and Amazon use battery delivery vehicles for city deliveries. Quiet, no fumes, these are perfect for these tasks.
Yes, when the manufacturers can produce they will immediately be sold. All of them.
Did you notice the Amazon van in the background @5:29?
Amazon already have some electric delivery vehicles, and the drivers much prefer them.
The delay is due to existing vehicles not being worn out enough yet.
I'd love to see USPS switch to electric too.
@@simonpaine2347 Not here yet in Canada.
@@ziploc2000 I've not seen any in Canada. I do not know if Amazon is sending their older vehicles to Canada as they replace them in the US with Electric Vans.
EVs are nice *where home charging is possible*. A lot of people live in apartments without garages or outdoor outlets. In some parts of the country (where I live for example) most employers don’t provide charging for their employees.
In my case, if I had an EV, I’d not be able to charge either at home or at work and would have to drive 50-75 miles from either location to even find a DC charger. The best I can do for the environment is a hybrid with regenerative breaking so that the gasoline lasts longer. It’s nice that you have that luxury. But it’s not as common as you might think.
Jim, regarding your point about the sticker price of EVs compared to ICE vehicles, I believe that EVs should be cheaper to manufacture due to fewer complex parts and decreasing battery costs. For example, China's BYD can produce a quality EV comparable to the Chevy Bolt 1LT for around $8,000. However, the 100% tariff on Chinese vehicles and parts significantly increases the sticker price of EVs in the USA. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is already buying EVs that are better and more affordable than ICE vehicles.
I acknowledge that the Chinese government injected billions into BYD, but the U.S. government has also provided substantial support and billions in subsidies to gas-few EV manufacturers. However, BYD is currently able to produce affordable EVs without relying on government subsidies.
"China's BYD can produce a quality EV comparable to the Chevy Bolt 1LT for around $8,000." Actually no. This thing is by far not comparable to the Chevy Bolt. Maybe to the Dacia Spring with which you do not ever want to drive faster than 80 km/h or 55 mph. I would not enter such cars. They are called childrens sarcophaguses for a reason.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Wolf, I wish you were right, but your data is 15 years out of date. As of 2024, BYD EVs are superior in quality, technology compared to U.S. and German EVs. BYD vehicles are better and more affordable than Tesla; in fact, some Teslas use safer batteries and technology manufactured by BYD.
Consider this reasoning: our government imposes a 100% import tariff on Chinese vehicles because U.S. consumers would purchase the more affordable, high-quality Chinese vehicles, which would decimate the U.S. vehicle manufacturing industry. If you were right there wouldn't be any import tarif.
I was in Spain and drove some BYD EVs. My beloved 2023 Chevy Bolt Premium feels like a dinosaur compared to BYD EVs.
A lot of the comparisons act as if gas cars are made out of leaves and run off of air
Nice job Jim. Oh, more fun to drive than ICE.
I'm having more fun driving when I want to rather than when I can afford to.
Just wait until the Federal Government implements their mileage tax fee (per mile driven), which is currently a pilot program. Same thing is currently happening in California.
One of my favorites is linking the BEV to coal generated electricity. But not linking the ICE to the pollution generated getting at gallon of gas to the station.
I just had my EV off-road for 3 days due to a piece of warranty work and had to have a petrol courtesy car as the dealer didn’t have an EV available. What really hit me is how much better my EV is to drive - far better and instant performance, so much quieter and refined, just way easier to live with all round.
Not having one for 3 days made me realise how much of a leap forward they are. I will never go back. Oh and it cost me $50 in gas, way more than charging!
Nice video. Like you, my Partner and I have a Chevy Bolt and an Ioniq 5. Both are amazing vehicles, and the Ioniq 5 especially is a cross country road tripping beast. Never going back to ICE cars. I don't want to work on them, don't like having to take time away for maintaining them, and have become more sensitive to the smell of them, don't like the noise or the way they deliver their power. We still do have a few ICE vehicles in the "fleet". None are daily drivers and will not be replaced if something happens to them to force them to be scrapped with another ICE vehicle.
I want another EUV for the wife. Mine is getting severe duty- 600 miles per week. At 6500 miles, I removed the factory tires/wheels, so next year I’ll see about that tire wear thing. I can say that the factory tires suck- nobody should ever have B rated traction tires on anything if they value their life!
@@EpicDrew15 - YEP! They’ve been doing that for a long time. Sometimes they even get special tires, like Black Friday deals, that have the same name, but not the same specs. GM actually had a good idea to put those “self sealing” tires on the Bolt, in this case, it’s not GM’s fault that Michelin’s EV rated LRR tire has such poor traction. The 205/60/16 Kumho Kinergy PT’s I put on handle better in spite of the increased sidewall and less width.
@@EpicDrew15the first set of tires on my Nissan leaf only last 20k miles, the second set of tires I got from Costco last 73k miles and still going 😊
Good call on the suspension. The suspension is one of my issues with my Lyriq. Even the different modes doesn't change the suspension. Sport mode allows the use of the full power of the motors, but the suspension doesn't change and doesn't give you a sport type of ride. But I still love my Lyriq.
A year ago we bought a 3 year old certified used Kia Niro EV & love it. We did run out of power once about 9 miles from home. That was my fault. We keep cars until they die or pass them along to one of our grown kids.
As batteries become more energy dense, while using less expensive materials to built that battery means smaller batteries, cheaper EVs and lighter weight in the future. Plus more chargers everywhere make the 'range anxiety' concern completely disappear.
As always thanks for the important video on myth busting ( great job )
OH fewer "moving" parts you say that carefully because the battery packs have thousands of batteries - and it is the battery pack which is the flaw of BEVs - any damage to a battery pack can cause your car to self ignite and catch fire. In florida right now - BEVs are catching fire because the hurricaine is flooding cars that have tiny bits of unknown damage allowing salt water to get in. The battery catches fire; two homes also burnt down when their BEVs caught fire in the garage - oh minor little details - lets now worry about your car and home burning down ..could that be a cost?
I don't think you touched on insurance cost. My experience is that EV's are more expensive to insure, in my case it's more than double. If you don't drive a lot, the increased cost can offset gas savings almost entirely.
You need to check into that. My insurance in the new bolt was not really any higher. And make sure you are comparing apples to apples.
@@ALGYMU I'm sure there are exceptions for individuals. I've heard that from many whenever I bring up the subject. But it is a well known fact that overall, EV accident damage is more expensive to repair, and that fact is reflected in insurance premiums. Damage to the battery pack alone could cost thousands. High cost is one reason that Tesla got into the insurance business.
Thank you for your very informative video. Mostly love the information about government subsidy on gas that is a huge amount of our money and it is contaminating our air sometimes also water and land.
On Tesla’s website the new model Y and 3 have an 8 year, 120,000 mi battery warranty🔋 Also the new M3 is rated 363 miles on a charge, and recently a UA-camr did a test drive and got nearly 380 miles!
@@EpicDrew15 …maybe, but that’s not what was getting at. In the video he said the warranty was 100K, which it was. But it’s now 120K ….and in some places it’s 150K now
To expensive and the depreciation wipes out its value faster than light. Nobody with a brain would ever buy a used EV.
My Kia eNiro has not lost value after 4 years of ownership. I've saved over $9k in that time after 60k miles. My other car is a gas car and costs more to run and maintain.
Energy savings: $9,228 - $1,000= $8,228 + oil change savings of $720 + brake service savings of $600 =
$9,548 saved -$80 break cleaning = $9,468.
My range has NOT changed any noticeable amount.
Many people see rapid depreciation of EV because they bought during auto market bubble of 2021-2023, other people claim high depreciation because they started with pre-tax credit price, a significant part of depreciation is caused by tax credit he used
Kia/Hyundai warranty to 10 years/100k miles, and is considering extending longer as the batteries are lasting longer than expected.
I’ve noticed that a lot of the negative comments start with “I heard” this or that. Not a whole lot of research, but plenty of rumor and speculation.
I have no doubt EVs are the future and are better than gas cars in performance, noise, and cost to own already, but they are not at parity in terms of refueling time and upfront costs in some cases. The thing is, battery prices have fallen 80% in the past 10 years, charging speeds increased 300%, and energy density improves by 5-10% per year, and they number CONTINUE to get better. Long term, ICE has no chance to compete, it'll be like how color TVs replaced black and white TVs. People sometimes forget the world isn't static.
Just came back from China… top tier EVs, luxury, all under $30k USD.
I live in China an plan to pick up a nice brand new EV for about 12K with a 250 mile range, which is more than enough for our typical usage. But also plan to replace the tires, as the Chinese brands they install to keep the prices low are pretty slippery I have read. EVs are definitely the future.
I agree with you 100%, but I’m hoping that some company steps up and builds more charging stations around the US. Tesla and Elon Musk really bit EV owners is the but by stopping the building of more superchargers stations. We need to look at the European market for guidance on this matter. Love the video!
Pilot/Flying J truck stops are in the process of installing EV stations in most, if not all of their locations. Love's is not far behind them. Most of their locations are spread out at about the range of most EV's, so road trips will be more manageable.
@@terryfleming7084 there are new Tesla builds coming online every week
China has about 3,000,000 public EV charging points, US has about 180,000
Warranty - The Model 3 is only 4 years 50k for general and 8/100,000 for the battery and motors. If you drive 20k a year its only good for 5 years; if you drive 100k a year like the Uber Driver here on UA-cam - it won't even last 1 year. So effectively your warranty is dead then. A guy here on UA-cam bought a Model 3 because he was hoping that would pay off compared to a Camry. His car barely exceeded 100,000 miles when the battery went dead; Tesla wouldn't give him a break; he had to pay over 20K for a new one. So there is one of your rare battery failures documented right on UA-cam... not so rare.
Kia/Hyundai warranty to 10 years/100k miles, and is considering extending longer as the batteries are lasting longer than expected.
@@JSmithDad OK but if you do drive a lot; the 100k will be a less than 10 years it may easily just be a 3 to 6 years rather than 10.
There’s a guy on YT, I heard it from a friend’s friend, etc etc.. anecdotal
But if you’re an Uber driver, but if you drive a lot, but if. Youse full of excuses, my guy.
I just sold my 2019 Model 3 to a private party for $18000. It is good for another 5 years at least and the new owner has. Ow cut his transportation cost dramatically.
Great job at sharing the truth. Special interests including money interests and political propaganda are fueling (no pun intended) lies about EVs. The fact of the matter is that with the adoption of NACS charging and a growing charging infrastructure-EVs are better in every way. Once you go EV you don’t go back to gas.
I heard that insurance might be considerably more?
It’s a myth. Generally it is a little more, but there are some specific EV’s like the Tesla Model 3 performance that can be expensive depending on your history and where you live. Remember though, this type of car has supercar performance, so it’s not surprising.
Extremely high heat in the engine compartment break down rubber, plastic, oils, grease and other liquids, causing carbon and sludge build up
EV drive trains only need a handful of supporting components to function whereas ice drive trains must have dozens of systems of systems to overcome the inherent deficiencies of the ICE design which is more things to break and increase the difficulty and complexity of diagnostics
And hybrids are being pushed and sold to alleviate range anxiety but won’t they come with a lot more maintenance ? And a little pollution? I respect that some people may need that extra range for their jobs but to the average person it’s just a way for the industry to further polluting and more long term maintenance $$.
Now do all the lies EV owners tell themselves and other people to justify their stupid decision many of them regret.
The only stupid decision in this equation was your choice to pop off with a dumb comment. There is not one single lie in anything I have on this channel and I publicly challenge your cockroach butt to a debate on any issue you choose. But you are a keyboard warrior coward who couldn't pour pee out of a boot with clear instructions written on the heel. I won't be waiting because you coward types are good at snotting off without the brains to back your claims!
@@jimsEVadventures you seem nice.
@@jimsEVadventures "I do not respond to negative comments (I don't let people drag me down to their level). If I see your comment contains vulgarity, I WILL DELETE IT! You will also be blocked."
Says the guy responding to my negative comment, calling me a cockroach, stupid and a coward. Okayyyyy....
I'm sold. EVs are just better, quieter, cheaper to run, faster than any ICE car I've owned. All that without smog. Tell me about a win win kinda deal.
EV's are just scaled up kids Christmas presents!
OH the cost of an EV is parity and not even arguable? A Prius that costs $10,000 less than a Model Y travels over 600 miles before needing to fuel. In that distance a Y will need to charge twice near 2 hours at a fast charger; and hours at home or at a slow charger. Is your time worth anything? What if this is a business vehicle and you are now paying a professional to sit on his ass? The cost of charging varies wildly depending if you charge at home slowly or at a fast charger in part because the home charge doesn't inclue road taxes in Washington State BEVs now have to pay a special $750 a year road tax when they have their registration renewed to make up for that. BEVs have horrible resale; so total cost of ownership currently is extreemly poor. The only thing that even gets These cars close in cost is the Federal incentive - if you have the income range that qualifies; if the government stops these incentives - then they aren't comparable at all; BEVs cost more and are a lot of trouble.
Can you compare a Model Y and a Prius? Are they in the same class? Same level of options?
The rest of your points are BS too
The truth is you will save about $200 every month driving the Model Y
@@casperhansen826 You might save 200 if you charge at home most of the time; but you are an exception; you have a garage; most people don't; and what car would you be comparing to? $200 of gas in a Prius is enough to travel around 3000 miles or 100 miles a day. You can say they are not of the same class - but what is th Y's class - sit on your rear charging class? Is that luxury where you are from? So my other points are not fair? BS? If you were paying someone to work for you and you had to send them to work Portland today to do a 4 hour job, origin Seattle. Google says that is 174 miles and takes 3:15 to get there. Say this person makes $100 per hour. In the Prius he'll be there - 3.25 hours; work 4 hours return3.25 hours total 10.5 hours. The same trip in the Y will take at least 1 hour and probably 2 to charge depending on how fully charged it started out. Thats $100-200 per job per day extra.. plus the fast charging is at $.0.28 cents per Kwh Not 9 cents like charging at home at night - assuming your worker can find a fast charger that is available. Washington State now has a $750 charge every year for BEV owners for them to pay their road taxes. Google it; so even if you do all your charging at home; you got to pay that. Even if you don't have such a tax yet in your state; if BEVs get more numerous and it starts cutting into their revenue; they will do the same thing.
Prius are not same class with Model Y, at least you need to compare model Y with RAV4 hybrid, Venza or crown signia
@@chenyansong A Model Y is not a vehicle capable of cross country; it has no clearance. If you'd rather compare it to the Camry Hybrid; or maybe compare to the Model 3. It's a matter of opinion really; but the Y is the best selling BEV and the Prius Camry about the most popular best selling sedans. One may point out the Model Y in long distance drives is going to need charging and that isn't a very positive experience; particularly in freezing snowing weather or 115f scorching temps.
More nonsense.
🤣 Norway, I lived in Stavanger for a while, is doing well w their Teslas. It’s cold out there, bro.
I agree with your statements... except "2) EVs Do Not Save You Month in the Long Term" 😁
Another common objection is EV's alleged propensity to catch fire. Transport Evolved did a great video on that: ua-cam.com/video/enp3wAQwtXM/v-deo.html
Question: I'm thinking of buying an EV in 2025. Is it better to buy it lease because of battery segregation ?
All these posts debunking the debunker are a perfect response. His very poor preparation and baseless facts should come as a wake up call.
Your gas vs Electrical cost is false. You include nothing for high cost out of home charging at fast chargers these often cost more to charge that gas for the same range; plus you are still wasting time. As noted; most of the population can't charge at home because they live in an apartment; rent, or have no garage. There are practically no EVs in NYC because few people have a garage. What you think is typical is what you do - which isnt typical at all ; you are probably retired; you have a garage - oh and you forgot to mention if you had costs to improvements in your power to charge at home which most people must do often costing thousands.
Propaganda.
@@johnnyquid-xj4kk You mean his video is propaganda? All elements of what I said are certain. Fast charging can be in excess of 30cents per kilowatt, If you have a model Y with 81 Kwh battery pack; you will go 230 miles on the highway for $24. A Prius with 6 gallons of gas will go 300-360 miles at a price of $4 a gallon; I just saw gas for 3.35 a gallon in my area; and cheaper out east.
Home charging is cheaper we did the math and have more than made for the cost of a level 2 charger. Level 1 most have and this can work too based on miles driven and your EV battery size. DCFC are more expensive, but those should be used for road trips. You also can get rebates for installing chargers or charging at night. Yes it is more challenging for non home owners, see if your work has charging perks or see if your complex will work with you. More and more level 2 charging is getting installed. But today, if you have a house with parking, charging is as easy as plugging in a smart phone.
Great video Jim.
Just paid 15 bucks for a 290 plus trip, w my MYLR,. And it’s in been over 100F out here. Gas is 4.49-4.89 at the same spot where I charged. In my area 4.25-5 gal. I too own a Prius and a RAV4, definitely not cheaper to maintain or drive. Charging at home is even cheaper than on the road, 27 cents kWh. Not sure why the anti EV horde assumes Tesla owners don’t own or have owned ICE vehicles. Get w the program, you’re just repeating the same old outdated propaganda.
And who drives 600mi nonstop ?
IONNA Consortium of automakers network of chargers will be coming
Price parity is only happening because of tax credits and incentives. A 2024 Tesla Model 3 with taxes is $54k ( not including federal tax credit), a 2024 Prius Prime is approx $42k. A Toyota Corolla is even way cheaper than these. Factor in higher insurance cost, expense of installing a charger at home, plus upgrading electrical service if needed(another $3.5-$5K ), higher registration costs, quicker tire wear and the savings look more like a wash. I don't hate EVs, but they aren't quite there yet. They have a long way to go as far as real use range limits. Battery tech is changing so fast that for me it is worth waiting before purchasing an EV.
An electrician installed a 60 amp charger in my house for $500, so all told it was about $1000. Now I don't stop at gas stations for my everyday life and I spend far less to fuel it. You can get a M3RWD for 38k and MY for $44k (not including any tax credits). That's lower than the average cost for a vehicle sold in general. Toyota and its dealers have specialized selling you the most expensive car possible. Good luck finding a Prius or RAV4 in the cheapest model possible and good luck getting a Toyota without a markup - with the except of the trucks that had a recall.
Upgrading electrical service? If a NEMA 14-50 outlet and a 40-amp or 50-amp breaker installed plus an EVSE costs you $3.5-$5K, I have some oceanfront property in AZ you might be interested in! Under $1K at most. Registration is not more unless you live in an anti-EV state where they charge you $200 more. Quicker tire wear is a myth…did you just skip over that part? The only thing that has a long way to go is for people to quit listening to the anti-EV nonsense. Please watch the entire video…
@@jimsEVadventures Upgrading electrical service ie from 100 amps to 200 amps to be able to accept either a NEMA plug or level 2 home charger. I live in a very blue state and it is not anti-EV but EVs don't pay road tax via gas so they make it up with registration.
The Tesla model 3 price you gave is for the most expensive performance model, not the base model.
"Price parity is only happening because of tax credits and incentives." No it is not. Since 2020 EVs are cheaper in every aspect. MSRP - or buying price as we call it, running cost, energy cost, repair cost, sevice cost. I always compare similar vehicles. Hyunda Kona fully specced with a base Hyundai Kona, Toyota Camry HEV (we can not buy pure fossil cars from Toyota anymore) with Tesla Model 3, Model Y with many others like Toyota RAV4, Audi Q5, VW, Toyota, Lexus - you name it. We do not get tax incentives here in the middle of Europe and no more incentives.
Chinese EVs will always be cheaper because they are not hampered by the UAW. Our labor costs are non- competitive in the world market.
The incessant and wholly unnecessary background noise is distracting from what is being said. Why do you think this needs to be part of the video. Stop it. 🙄😖🤬
😢I have no objections to owning a coal powered car. Just in case you don't know,most electricity comes froml burning coal.
Not in the US. About 19% comes from coal and is declining.
@@EpicDrew15 I'm on team hydrogen power, so you EV romantics can mislead yourself but there is no way the power grid is ever going to be able to sustain a complete conversion to EVs. My neighboring state of California, often asks that EV owner not charge their vehicles during peak electricity demand hour, accompanied with rolling brown out and black out in every major city in the US EV are not the answer.
Ok, then I don't mind driving a natural gas vehicle. My point is no matter what you do most electricity is generated from fossil fuels. You EV romantics can continue to mislead yourself but with rolling black outs and brown outs, the grid cannot sustain a conversion to EVs. I am team hydrogen, Toyota's work hydrogen, water and even compressed air engines is very impressive. My neighboring state of California, ask EV owner not to charge their vehicles during peak hours. Lol
@@zeethree7395 Your knowledge of the subject is well illustrated by your original comment.
@@jbbuzzable I know enuf to buy a no plug in hybrid. A hybrid I use to take my girlfriend to the charging station before they charge her an idling fee. Lol
Your baseless claims - "the vast majority of EV batteries last 8-15 years" Based on what? 90% of BEVs have been manufatured since 2021; so you have a lousy 3 years of operation to base a claim on. In China 1.4 BEVs per 10,000 self ignite; and poor quality of late is increasing not decreasing that rate. A warranty means nothing if the company is out of business 5 BEV makers are already gone How much is the battery warranty worth on your Fisker? Nothing. Of course Gas is easier that sitting on your ass for hours to charge - you weren't done; you only plugged in; wait in the rain, snow, high heat. Oh you have a garage - nice 60% of the public don't have one!
Tests, tests, tests, you know how many cycles it can handle and then you can calculate expected life time, if you have a warranty of 8 years you know it will at least double or triple that.
If the battery has some defects it will be replaced within the first few years on warranty, but this should be a very low percentage.
My 11 yrs old Nissan leaf is still going - at least an anecdotal evidence. Consider its 11 old technology and lack of battery management system and active cooling, it is safe bet that today EV will fare better.