Debunking Araki Forgot Extras 8
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Going over more JoJo fan questions in the longest Extras video yet.
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Intro: Crazy My Beat - Coda
Stardust Man Appears
Mystic
Higashikata House
Peaceful Street Corner
Puro
Fire Shaman
Purple Thorns
Alba
Tense
Quirk
Old Town
Rocky Mountain Village
Morioh Town
Calm Sightseeing
Awakening of the Evil Spirit
Cape Canaveral
Gentle Sunlight
Reply with your Araki Forgot topics from Parts 1-8.
Please refrain from replying to each other in the thread so it doesn't hit the reply limit.
In part 8, why does Josuke not show penis? I wanted to see them
In part 1, Tonpetty use Hamon to see Will Zeppeli's fate. However it was never used again, even by Lisa Lisa who is a Hamon master when there's a Pillar Men danger. Wasn't she trained by Straizo who is one of Tonpetty best students and later even become his succesor? Does Straizo didn't know that Hamon can be used to see fate?
I think your explanation of D4C is insufficient at explaining everything we see during this arc
For one, some of the transfers you mention between universes, for wekapipo in particular, were not shown and I am unable to understand when exactly Valentine would be able to bring base world Wekapipo back
Second, Johnny's own testimonial was neglected
He himself said that he was shot by "Wekapipo and Diego" but "it was actually Valentine" and that he said that Valentine "brought another Wekapipo and Diego back to make them shoot me"
Now if Wekapipo shot alternate Johnny then wHY would Base World Johnny know about that? Furthermore, who really did shoot Base World Johnny according to him? Valentine supposedly made all the shots from ambush till Johnny's escape.
Moreover, they must also see Johnny turning into a hole and then going into the sewers, something which is not addressed in this video
Also, at one point you show how Valentine sees alternate Wekapipo behind the flag and Diego on the roof during his pov
You show this to suggest that he knew their position and was hence able to conduct Diego's pov
This means that Diego and alternate Wekapipo are currently in root world, but the panel appears after Johnny goes into the sewers so the sewers must already be bloody with a Johnny inside it
And we know that ALL 3 saw Johnny turn into a bullet hole and escape the sewers(this being a key issue)
The one for Wekapipo is simple enough as per your explanation
So which Johnny escaped the sewers in Diego's case? We know that the panel showing Diego and Wekapipo(shown to us AFTER Valentine shoots Johnny and sees him exit through the sewers) in those positions was at a time BEFORE Diego fought with alternate Wekapipo (as evidenced by the flag being erect in that panel) and hence BEFORE Diego shot Johnny Joestar and saw him going into the sewers
So what exactly did happen in the root world according to your explanation?
Did Valentine shoot Johnny from ambush till he turned into a hole? If that's the case then how can Diego's pov be replicated as per your explanation?
If Diego was the one to shoot root world Johnny that was already shot and see him turn into a hole, then how can Valentine's pov work?
Because remember that all 3 must see Johnny turn into a hole and leave
AND Johnny must also know that all 3 somehow shot him and that Diego and Wekapipo were "made to shoot him"
Your explanation doesn't address these strict discrepancies
The dialogue between Wekapipo and Diego is also different between the 2 POVs
Moreover, another problem with this arc (less of an Araki forgot and more of a contrivance) is that that even if Valentine were to do everything perfectly well, he doesn't have control over the actions of anyone he transfers
I'm mentioning this because Valentine, Wekapipo AND Diego shoot Johnny in the exact same places and Johnny as well reacts in the exact same way(turn into a hole and escape through the sewers)
The logic of how Stands can see is confusing. In the Ebony Devil fight Polneraff was tied under the bed and needed to use the broken mirror shards for Silver Chariot to strike down Ebony Devil. Apparently, Stands cannot see on their own, without the User there to see the action.
That being said, there are times in which Stands can act and fight without needing the User to specifically see the action. White Snake being able to snatch Jotaro's memory & Stand operated without Pucci being there to see the action. Koichi's plan to dial a pay phone when he was kidnapped by Yukako would require Echoes Act 1 to see the keypad. Diver Down being able to go through walls but still operate without Anasui seeing what he is taking. There's probably a lot more.
It's even more confusing when some Stands, like Star Platinium, have advanced sight as shown in the older Darby gambling fight and that time Jotaro had it draw a fly in Dio's picture.
In one of the Part 7 chapters, it is said that D4C cant bring money in other worlds. However this seems to have been contradicted when Diego and Hot Pants used a plan to have 2 different bank notes from different worlds collide. Could you explain if this was a mistranslation or if not an Araki forgot
The most glaring issue and worst case of Araki forgetting was the time when he forgot to tuck me into bed. I had Nightmares that night.
I had a similar issue where araki forgot to bring me orange juice of my favourite brand from the supermarket. Truly the most heinous araki forgot in my opinion
I had a moment where Araki forgot to blink one time when I met him, still not sure if he is part snake or not
It must be incredibly exhausting to keep making and finding more of these. I will never be able to understand your will power
He’s so based
True JoJo fans never skips making JoJo videos
Given how often I get set off by incorrect info on matters I am passionate about, this likely comes as naturally as breathing.
It’s just he has trained his hamon
Title: "Araki Forgot"
True meaning: "A mob of Illiterate amnesia patients accuse a mangaka of forgetting his written story."
The Jotaro heart thing is wild, straight up gaslighting 💀
The Mandela Effect in full swing.
@@axain7784
"uh.... dude, this information is wrong"
" *Not in my Universe* "
@@axain7784 nah people are just getting ohma from kengan ashura mixed up with jotaro.
Facts I thought it was true for a bit
will the boss died and I said your universe aint cannon so@@CertainOverlord
You ever wonder if Araki, upon seeing us all talking about his years old manga, just decides to go 'I thought it was cool'?
no, hes clearly put so much thought and effort in nearly every aspect of jojos, and he very visibly oozes passion for his series, and i feel like people saying things like that devalue how thought out things are in jojos and how araki pays extremely close attention to the fine details
If there's a moment like that in the series (apart from the enterity of part 2) it definitely would be Valentine, he just got buff because Araki wanted him to be buff, no explanation, just make him look cool
@@dialga236Well he can still do things just because they’re cool, he just puts in effort to make them both awesome/impactful and consistent.
He literally named stands after music because he likes music lol.
i think it's not just Araki that does this really. it probably starts with "hey this would be cool" followed by "ok i can make it fits in if i do X"
I always thought "Why didnt Jotaro keep using time stop? I mean its such an OP thing for normal life" before realizing the Jotaro is supwr rich, physically gifted in height, looks and body and really intelligent, he literally has no need for an extra ability such as timestop
The one use I can think of is a fairly niche one.
If he needed to examine a really, really fast and nimble sea critter.
And even then, Star Platinum's eyes are so Sharp that Stand Vision can do that easily.
To be fair, there's only so much you can do in like... 5 seconds of stopped time. I mean, I guess you could use it to catch something you drop, but, at that point, your stand already has incredible reflexes that can catch a bullet, you don't need to stop time for that. It's like driving a car to cross the street; you could, but, there's an easier way.
@@JoyKirbs yes but it's stated that the time stop ability can be expanded to more time, we don't know if there's a limit. Even 11 seconds (DIO's amount in part 3) could be useful for mundane tasks, if you can get it to minutes it's a godsend
@@maguc5906dio had a reason to build up time stop. 1 to further his strength and 2 to not worry about the sun. Jotaro didn't have these necessities like someone earlier said jotaro is already incredibly fast so stopping time is not as useful
@@XenoSOL985 Plus he's not a vampire, it likely puts a huge strain on his body to keep using it.
It's crazy how someone will confidently say something like "How can Jotaro use The World when he's weak to kryptonite??" and then other people will just agree with it like it isn't the most insane shit you've ever read.
What do you mean? The arrow metiorite is made of kryptonite and that's why Jotaro couldn't go to Italy both with Polnareff and during part 5. Jojoveller confirmed it too
@@animepunk3167 Exactly! I guess some people only read the manga...
lmao
@@marleythekid8320yeah, only us Light Novel purists truly know the original story as Masahiro Sakurai intended!
@@animepunk3167bruh bleach fans are the same, they constantly cite the CFYOW Light novel as evidence for whatever dogwater they spew.
Most epic battle in history:
JoJo fans vs DB fans to decide who actually didn't watch their own series
Don't forget One Piece fans too, lmao.
@@Future_Doggo
Don't fuck with DBZ fans: never watched the show
Don't fuck with jojo fans: never understood the show
Don't fuck with one piece fans: way too much time on their hands
@@Square__Box I have a friend that's all three
Straizo also specifically said that he was going to take out his biggest threat before experimenting and growing his powers.
Yeah, he said that he didn't want to waste time like Dio did and wanted to defeat Joseph before he became stronger. And even with that Straizo developed advanced vampire techniques like the eye beams earlier than Dio. Straizo had surpassed Dio, he just couldn't do nothing against Joseph outsmarting him
@@lordfreezer5631he didn't really surpassed Dio, It's more like he copied his homework
@@lordfreezer5631Straizo didn’t surpass Dio, he just learned some of Dio’s powers quickly because he’d seen them before. He was otherwise definitely not as strong as Dio.
12:05 on the topic of people thinking that Johnathan was reincarnated as Star Platinum, I always liked that idea that the reason DIO was so scared in his final moments wasn't just because he was dying, but because when he saw Star Platinum, he was reminded of Johnathan.
However, I must stress that this is just a headcannon of mine. It is NEVER stated in the manga at all, nor do I think that it was Araki's intention in the first place. And no, it's not in an obscure interview either. Again, it's just a personal headcannon.
Jonathan was as reasonably angry at Dio as anyone would be at a mass murdering Vampire that killed his father, but in his final moments, he still loved him as his brother. I don't like the idea that Jonathan would be so vengeful that he reincarnates as a stand just to kill Dio again.
I had this same theory in mind because the way Jotaro defeats him is a lot like how Jonathan defeated DIO in his castle, in both ocassions he says how he's inmortal and he's supposed to never die while his body burns to a crisp.
Or maybe it's like a parallel between Jotaro and Jonathan, because Jonathan was pure at heart and used hamon to oppose Dio's powers, while Jotaro was pretty much like DIO in his youth, always starting shit w/ people and getting anything he wanted, they even share the same stand type to make that parallel more clear.
@@b_delta9725 as Schnee (UA-camr who talks about writing) says, one connection within a story creates 10 questions. One question creates 10 answers.
The more connections you have in a story, the deeper the story is.
holy shit i'll be honest I didn't think they could keep this going
People don’t know how to read I swear
@@randommate3778giving dragon ball fans a run for their money
what the fuck@@bloxyraven7930
Albert Einstein said it best:
"Two things are infinite: the universe and _human stupidity;_ and I'm not sure about the universe."
Seriously, I have no idea where these idiots get so many absurd ideas. Or how they can keep repeating them as if they weren't answered.
and over 40 minutes too jesus
Regarding the “time stop puts strain on Jotaro’s heart” thing, I think it partially came from the idea that DIO can stop time much longer than Jotaro, and seems to be able to theoretically extend the ability with practice, while Jotaro’s never gone beyond 5 seconds. And people chalk this up to DIO being a vampire with an extremely durable, and regenerating body, which is why he can put more “strain” on himself. Recursively, people assume that time stop puts more strain on Jotaro which is why he can’t use it as long, and then they just assumed straining the heart made sense.
Did you ever cover why Jotaro couldn’t stop time for as long during Made in Heaven? I have seen a lot of confidently wrong misinformation about that one.
Im not entirely sure but if im remembering correctly i think he said its because of puccis ability made the time pass by faster even in stop time but if im wrong someone correct me
@@mrniceguy3129Yeah, I think that was it. I just wonder how that’s possible. MiH accelerates time, but time stop halts acceleration and velocity of time entirely before releasing, at which point time resumes at the same acceleration (normally zero, but during MiH it’s obviously a positive number). So if that’s the case, how can Pucci’s acceleration of time be influencing Jotaro’s length of time stop? I can buy Pucci moving his eyes in stopped time when Jotaro threw the harpoon, since Pucci had gravity and gravity and time are related, but I think the original question is a separate matter entirely.
@@emblemblade9245 I mean a time limit on stopped time already doesn't really make sense lol. If you can suspend your disbelief about a time limit in stopped time, I think it's pretty easy to do the same with the time stop being shorter during the acceleration
@@emblemblade9245 think of it this way: if there is a time limit to stopped time, then that means there is some greater force still measuring time beyond time itself. Some pretty zany stuff.
Since MiH as a stand is accelerating the entire universe, however, that would include this greater force within it.
Just... don't try and think of what force that could be, we're already way deeper than Araki ever thought we would.
I don't know if there is an official explanation, but i think it is because jotaro does not "stop time" with his power. He just accelerate itself to a point where the rest of the universe moves so slowly it looks like time stop (in phisic if you accelerate yourself to move at the speed of light, the rest of the world will appear as if time froze). So puccy accelarating time makes jotaro perceve his time stop as shorten.
So really, this isn’t “Araki Forgot”
It’s actually, “JoJo Fans forget to read the actual series”
this is "debunking araki forgot", basically "no, araki didn't forget, jojo fans just don't read"
Jojo fans and DB fans (of which I'm a fan of both) have one thing in common I can't stand. They don't actually pay attention to the series and basically discredit great writers of great series due to their own arrogance.
Because those people aren’t really Jojo fans. They prefer having the title of a Jojo fan, rather than actually taking the time to become an actual fan of it. Because all they do is speed read or tune out the show, just so they can be caught up with the series.
This series has helped me realize just how determined people are to not be wrong no matter how politeyou correct them or how much evidence you give them
"Except it was confirmed in the Part 6 manga." And thus nobody could ACTUALLY contradict the redditor, as every jojo fan has skipped Part 6 to read 7
Gotta try that myself sometime
Skipping parts?
@@frank8917 Talking gibberish about things folks skipped
@@llewelynshingler2173 who would have thought that Dio and Jonathan became lovers in part 2 and with Vampire shenanigans, Dio gave birth to Giorno
@@llewelynshingler2173such a classic JoJo moment, especially when it happened again in part 6 when Jonathan and Dio both come back to life specifically to make 3 more children
I remember reading part 6 for the first time and wondering when the thing about Jotaro’s heart would come up but it never did. Then a few years later I was watching Code Geass and got up to the part with Rolo’s ability and I realized “wait is THIS where that came from?”
Thank you so much for explaining that Time Stop has no bodily effects on the user.
It's so annoying to see people arguing that DIO would have had infinite time stop at some point once he fully assimilated Jonathan's body because he was a vampire and was immortal.
It's very likely Dio BELIEVES he could keep growing The World's ability forever, but there's no reason he couldn't be wrong. Time Stop seems to be tied to Stand development (seeing as Jotaro not using it diminished the time it lasts) and nothing body related.
This is also true when we consider (SPOILERS FOR PART 7) AU Diego with THE WORLD seems to be able to use a full five second time stop without any adverse health effects on display despite being fully human. Additionally, similar time-related stands like King Crimson also don't seem to have a harsh effect on the human body despite it making sense that it would take a similarly enormous amount of spiritual energy to do time shennanigans, but it does not. I think it's fairly safe to assume that time powers, unless specified, doesn't put the body through any significant appearing strain.
Its not a plot hole that Joseph didn't pass down any Hamon. It's a contrivance, definitely, but it aids the story (or, rather, them having Hamon wouldn't help the story and would just overcomplicate it). People complain about contrivances, but something they need to realize is that stories need occasional contrivances ti function at all. It's not deep, it's just "it could happen, statistically, but because it makes the story more interesting to not have it happen, it didn't." It's like asking "why didn't Jotaro die in a car crash before the events of part 3?" Because he didn't. If he did, the story would be less interesting. It's the same fundamental concept, though obviously to a different degree.
Agreed
exactly. people love endlessly nitpicking stories and i feel like they don't realize people don't act perfectly logically and that sometimes stuff just happens. you could probably pick apart real life events in the same dumb ways that people nitpick media lol
Besides, Joseph may have also been helped to get hamon due to his Mother also being a Hamon user. After all, its never implied Caesar's siblings all have Hamon or anything like that so it seems to be genetic chance like most other physical traits.
I actually really appreciate you explaining narancias death again. It’s a scene I’ve struggled to understand for a while and I’m not sure what about your previous explanations didn’t click for me but this one did, so thank you and keep up the great content
So, i will try to explain as simply as i can: King Crimson has the ability to skip up to 10 seconds of time. EVERYTHING that is fated to happen will happen. So, Diavolo would have killed Narancia anyway, but he skipped time so that nobody would know he was there. So, in simple terms: Diavolo would have been fated to kill Narancia, but he erased the time when he (Diavolo) killed Narancia so that nobody would have seen him, letting him remain hidden so that nobody would have known where he was in that moment. If it doesn't make sense, don't worry, King Crimson is kind of difficult to understand.
So once diavolo decides he wants to kill you, he uses epitaph to find the most opportunities and king crimson to erase any trace of himself?
@@jeremybrimmer1990 sort of. Narancia is ALWAYS fated to die on the bars, no matter what. What king crimson does is allow Diavolo to skip forward to when it happens, regardless of if he actually physically attacks narancia
A long range stand with a breathing sensor, a cop with a detective stand, a stand that has 6 separate units that can be used for scouting and carrying besides interactions with projectiles and loading weapons, a stand that creates pocket dimensions, all in a group with an indiscriminate bio bomb...the boss knew what he was doing there tho, no?
@@jeremybrimmer1990 I don’t understand what you’re getting at by listing the groups abilities but yes the boss is smart?
"I really hope Diavolo read Phantom Blood."
Diavolo: 19:28
BLASPHEMY
this genuinely made me laugh
If i see the talking head thing in the video again I'mma go insane
I really like these videos. Despite me not knowing how some things work, it's nice to see that they can be explained like this so I don't have questions later
Thank you for covering the time stop and Jotaro's heart thing. The first time I read it I actually hadn't gotten to Part 6 yet and when I saw the dialogue of Jotaro in Part 6 saying he couldn't just spam the time stop I recognized that's what they meant and I was like "really?" lol
He said that he only needs a brief moment before he can use Ts again. And that is beyond nerfed, disrespect and completely ruined Jotaro from p6. Jotaro and DIO from P3 are completely different. P6 is beyond bad, Araki had to ruin Jotaro so that he can end the verse. That is why Jotaro was beyond nerfed and Pucci was incarnation of plot armor.
@@rokocvjetanovic Pucci is an amazing villain, Jotaro didn't get nerfed but outsmarted/put in a perfect situation for his defeat, and I fail to see how Part 6 could be defined as "beyond bad"
@@PrixtoTNT omg, what did I just read. This is sad ngl. Pucci is literally one of the worst characters ever, he was incarnation of plot armor. The main plot (Heaven plan) makes no sense no matter how you look at it. Araki had to make Pucci incarnation of plot armor so that he can end the verse. Jotaro was beyond nerfed, disrespect and completely ruined. That was all like that the whole part, terrible forced writing from the beginning to the end. Most of characters are completely wasted and ruined, side villains were terrible, ending is unnecessary, without logic and beyond forced. Not just Jotaro, but DIO's character is also ruined. I can talk for days about how terrible the writing was, especially Pucci's plot armor. But I won't even bother to try to explain on details, people like you don't understand anything and are so immature and blinded. You don't even see Jotaro's nerfs lol. In P4 he was nerfed a lot and in that nonsense p6 he was beyond nerfed, disrespect and completely ruined..
@@rokocvjetanovic I was about to try and explain how the Heaven plan ties perfectly to Dio's philosofy that he exposed in Part 3, and how that also means his character is not ruined at all, or how the ending is incredible and a closure to all the story we had seen from Part 1, but as you said, I won't even bother to try to explain on details.
Having in mind all that you just said, you just won't understand, or won't want to, so it's better if we stop now and each of us believes what we believe.
Have a good day
@@PrixtoTNT you are not the first who is trying to make sense of p6 writing and ending, people like you are trying to make sense of it and protect Araki, but it really doesn't work. What you said is the complete nonsense, you don't understand anything. Let me guess, Jotaro not using bullets/knives, star finger, moving in the air (many other stuff) is not a nerf? It is just "fate" that he was not using his abilities and didn't kill Pucci on multiple situations he could? Or... Star Platinum not reacting to Whitesnake is not a nerf and Pucci's plot armor? Car crusing on Weather just when he was about to kill Pucci is also not a plot armor? Pucci surviving Star Platinum's punch is also normal (Jotaro could just donut him too)? Jotaro and others watching Pucci on the floor and not attacking him is also okay? Pucci as a normal human dodging point blank spear threw by Star Platinum is not plot armor? Jotaro and others getting unconscious and transported to another location so that Pucci can have prep time to accelerate MiH was not forced at all (so that he can blitz Jotaro, in a fair 1on1 he can't win because Jotaro can instantly stop time at the beginning and win)? As I said, I can talk for days about how terrible and forced the writing, nothing about it makes sense, most of characters are wasted and ruined, the ending is terrible and happened only so that Araki can't go back on the og verse, he didn't know what else to write, he didn't have inspiration, he was writing the Part without preparing everything in advance, he had to ruin Jotaro and make Pucci an incarnation of plot armor so that he can end the verse. It is really simple, stone forced ocean is one of the worst written shows ever. It was just one big mistake, some characters and story aspects had potential, but overall everything ended up being beyond bad. At least we got a good Part later. In any case, when it comes to this, people like you are beyond help and I really feel bad for you. Trying to justify something bad won't get you anywhere, you gotta admit and accept when someone you respect makes something terrible. Although the problem here is that you are still probably just immature, so I won't waste time anymore..
26:17 It's so funny that you bring this up because whenever I try to introduce my friends to the series they would always ask me "But *why* is Dio evil?". Bad people just exist. In real life and in works of fiction.
Why didn’t Dio just be good? Is he stupid?
🐕
You could also make the case that Dio is evil due to his upbringing.
His father wasn't exactly a shining role model.
and even then there is an explination, dio grew up poor and under an oppressively abusive father, so he craved the power he didn't have as a child, he loves having power over other because it was something he lacked in his younger years
@@THEDeathWizard87because its Dio
made in heaven allowed pucci to be outside of fate, and we can assume that had everything gone as planned dio would be the one with this ability, allowing him to be only person in the universe who is truly in control of his actions, putting him above everyone even more than ruling the world or having time stop ever could. dio never stopped looking for power even once
These videos are very helpful for casual jojo fans such as myself who often forget some details or plotpoints
I'm pretty sure Jonathan going "If I die, my ghost will come back to haunt you!" is from a meme where Dio responds with "Then your ghost is gonna see some fucked up shit."
I know it was never confirmed but I do love the idea that Johnathan had influence on star platinum, nice little bookend to the first three parts
YOU ARE A GENIUS about the hearth problem with the time stop, you literally explained a Mandela effect by simple reasoning and research. Truly a dedicated jojo content creator. Thank you.
Hell yeah new video man and it’s a long one. It’s insane how there are so many braindead jojo fans who just simply don’t pay attention. It’s hilarious when people talk like they’re 100% right but then admit “I haven’t read that part yet though”
Fr. Poor Hamon Beat debunking dumb minds. Araki didnt forget, they did.
THIS seriously I've seen absurd claims about Steel Ball Run just for someone to say they haven't read it
Lmao 💀
4:22 hubiera sido un buen momento para aclarar también que Straizo no experimento mucho con su cuerpo a comparación de Dio por la misma razón de que quería ganar y derrotar a Joseph antes de que el se volviera más fuerte. Ya que, como Straizo dice, Dio fue derrotado por experimentar mucho tiempo con su cuerpo
When you brought up people thinkin' Jotaro's heart stops when he stops time, I already knew what was up.
Dio Heaven's plan is interesting, because you have to remember Pucci DOESN'T think Dio is evil.
This is important, because just because Pucci THINKS Dio wanted to do what was right, and wanted people to live with peace of mind, doesn't mean that is actually what Dio wanted. For all we know Dio's version of heaven could be completely different than Pucci's.
In a way, it's somewhat sad since Pucci was probably just playing a game of telephone with himself with Dio's will.
We actually have no idea what Dio wouldn't have done if he got a stand similar to made in heaven, or if that stand would've even had the same abilities as made in heaven.
Hell, in Eyes of Heaven, Dio legit instantly tries to rule the world with similar power. So Pucci's and Dio's idea of heaven are probably just different. After all Peace of mind can come about in plenty of ways.
Good lord, these people vote. These people raise and educate children. These people operate motor vehicles.
When Jolyne’s leg is stuck during the C-Moon fight, why doesn’t see just unravel herself? Like she was able to do it very quickly like the Underworld fight.
The more I watch the “debunking Araki forgot” videos the more I’m convinced that JoJo is a reading comprehension test
Do I want more episodes? Yes.
Does it feel like people are grasping at straws? Also yes.
The first episodes were great, but now, it feels like people are purposefully trying to find faults, which seems a bit silly.
Still it's great.
Maybe make a games comparison to the story? Like heritage to the future all callbacks to manga? I'd watch that for sure!
I feel like Advol may have also touched his nose, realising the Jotaro was bluffing and going along with it to see what happens. Same potentially with Joseph, though with Kakyoin and Polnareff it could've genuinely been thinking it was true.
Thank you for answering my Notorious big question! I never read the official viz translation.
It's nice seeing someone who was corrected in one of these videos actually show gratitude rather than be toxic af and refuse to accept they're wrong.
@@romantroman6270 Oh thanks! I mean it's kinda hard when it's so blatantly factual but then again people on the internet are stubborn. Plus I was asking it as a genuine question i wasn't challenging him or anythin lol
Another reason for the stand disc crossing over might be because Emporio was using his stand to store it and so remained unaffected.
26:28 I love how you said this because I feel like it prevents understanding of certain plot points. A lot of people ask why certain characters, be they villains or heroes, do things that are suboptimal that lead to their loss or total defeat. It's because they have fundamental character flaws. Why did a villain not do X, Y, and Z to ensure victory? Because the character just wouldn't do those things, which are the traits the writer is trying to highlight as bad and therefore leading to their defeat. This doesn't take a writer like Araki either, most writers implant traits they see as bad and therefore the people with those traits lose.
at this point this is just the monthly brainrot showcase and im all for it
“Araki Forgot” is just code for “CinemaSins would ding this” at this point
27:08 I don't think that the reason the disc was able to reach the new universe is because it's a fragment of someone's soul. During the Pucci vs Jolyne fight in the swamp, after Pucci throws the disc in Anasui, he stated that discs are unbreakable. Which means that even if time accelerates, the Disc wouldn't be destroyed in the acceleration of time unlike any other non-living object.
the obviously wrong "facts" are very fun to see dunked on, but i appreciate the cohesive explanations of some of the murky parts/fights! its nice to be able to appreciate something for the first time that i missed reading yknow
What stand people see when hol horse uses his stand: oh my god his stand is a gun!
What regular people see: OH MY GOD HE HAD INVISIBLE GUN LIKE IN YU GI OH ABRIDGED!!!
Oh god the videos keep needing to be longer.
That part about DIO tring to reach heaven and someone thinking our blonde vampire wanted to "give up", reminded me of something.
We know what would happen. Eyes of Heaven story mode (even though it's a what if AU rather than main canon)
You even use music from that game in the vid. Surprised it didn't get mentioned.
Going along with the fan theory thing, one of the most commonly repeated things I've seen is the idea that Stroheim was killed by a Soviet stand user, yet there's nothing in the source material and I can't find an interview where Araki says this happens. Does anyone know how this idea became so popular?
Some sort of fanfiction probably or someone said that as a "headcanon" and people ran with it
If not fanfiction, it also could be from early bad translations of lists of plot points of the novels, there's a bunch of hoaxes on them that persist to this day even with solid full fan-translations, mainly with Jorge Joestar, there's a bunch of things on those old lists that made the rounds that never happened when you actually read the novels.
In Purple Haze Feedback, Stroheim is briefly mentioned by Vladmir Kocaqui that survived WWII, so I guess there could be where ppl picked that on, like "oh obviously this guy killed Stroheim in WWII!", logically it doesn't make sense as Kocaqui's backstory tell us that he was a teen on D-Day, obviously wasn't a stand user (at least not a conscious one) or that he encountered Stroheim personally.
@@LEONOX233 i have no experience with the novels so good insight. What was this about hoax plot summaries for jorge joestar, do u have or vaguely remember any examples? Cus that actually sounds really interesting
Gotta admit when you were describing the horse comment with Gyro, it just made me want to read part 7 again with how good it is.
why doesnt jotaro use star finger to reset the universe in part 9?
Because star finger’s range is only about two kilometers 😢
Just wanted to point out about Young Joseph and Hermit Purple Statement.
I think people simply read the last line and assume it is on the literal sense, while missing the point that Araki was explaining how the process of making Hermit Purple comes about.
Which he both explained he wanted to give Joseph a guiding role and that he wanted to translate Hamon into Stand since they use similar concepts (Life Energy/Life Force), and then claims that if the Crusaders saw Young Joseph, they would MAYBE see something LIKE Hermit Purple around Joseph.
And since most people only watch the anime, they miss the point that Araki's Hamon is drawed in such a way that it looks like vines around the user, it even has little bits that look a lot like thorns.
He is not factually saying that they would see it, he is giving a example of his own process of translating Joseph's Hamon into a Stand, which also doesnt mean that every single Hamon User gets the same stand, simply that it was the process that Araki made for Joseph specifically
Some of these fan theories you've talked about through this series, not the ones claiming Araki forgot something but just the incorrect theories, are genuinely interesting and I feel would have been cool to actually see in the series. I think that may be why some people believe them so easily, because they aren't entirely outrageous in nature while also being very interesting to think about.
My first debunking araki forgot since ive caught up on jojos
How you feeling on part 9? I wasnt really feeling the chapters after 3 tbh but the most recent chapter was really damn good imo. Hyped me back up
Based me too
I might know about the heart thing.
kiritsugu from fate zero, when he slows down time his heart also slows downs, witch causes him pain.
So I think people mixed it up with jotaro time stop.
I always thought that the idea that Jotaro's heart is affected by Time Stop is that since he's moving so fast, it strains his body.
For example, a fighter pilot may have increased risk of cardiovascular problems since their bodies are moving as such high speeds. It was never a problem for DIO since he's a vampire and would regenerate, but Jotaro isn't.
Always figured it had to do with his stamina. Dio could spam time stop since as an undead being, he would have limitless stamina.
11:30 actually the reason people think Jotaro’s heart gets weaker over time/do to time stop is because of a really widespread fan fiction that got popular during part 4’s anime release
I spent a good couple hours trying to look for it and I think 0P might’ve deleted it but I swear that was like a really big plot point
I feel good about myself that most of the stuff in these videos is stuff i immediately understood after watching and reading the parts.
I also remember reading a quote from araki about how hermit purple and Jonathan's stand are an expression of their hamon abilities, hence their similar stands. Ive also seen comparisons drawn between this and how tusk and ballbreaker are tied to johnny and gyros use of the spin
Even if that quote isn't real I don't think it's necessarily an unfair assumption to make given how hermit purple can act as a conduit for hamon and tell the future which could be a hamon ability given Will's teacher in the part one flashback predicts Williams future
I like how half of these videos wouldn't have existed if people watched previous JoJo videos of this channel
cant wait for the part 9 araki forgot 🥰🥰
The fact we're at 8 makes me regret existence
Nice! It’s great to have new Hamon Beat content
I always assumed that Hol Horse's stand only manifests as that weird looking revolver to other Stand users, but to everyone else it looks like a regular gun.
In the anime it is said (when hol horse shot a non stand user) that the guy that was besides the guy who got shot said that he didn’t see no gun
im pretty sure the Jonathan being reborn as star platinum thing started as just like a fun idea, like someone said it would be an interesting concept but then people started thinking its true for some reason
Straizo: *Explicitly copies Dio directly at that point, so it makes sense for no special ability to manifest, even if the potential exists*
Jojo fans:"Why did bro not have special ability!?"
About Santana, there is a theory that his ability is just resistance to Hamon/The sun because the only time he was shown to conclusively take damage was through an attack from within and he only gradually crumbled to stone with no actual harm in direct sunlight(And yes, I even did the unthinkable and actually double-checked that fight in the manga to make sure the anime was not fooling me). This is just a small crackpot theory I heard somewhere years ago, but I don't think it is explicitly contradicted anywhere, so let's just go with it. Or heck, if there is something majorly wrong with it, then people over here can correct me now, which is also a good thing if it happens.
11:45 It could also be that people are confusing Kiritsugu Emiya's ability from Fate Zero. He can slow down time, but he develops heart problems so severe that his heart stops beating.
I have a friend who pointed out that if everything is sped up in the end of part 6, then the water they are standing in should shredd their legs
Soo how about the fact that Dio wasn't able to tell that Jotaro was alive with the whole Birthmark star connection when this is clearly contradicted in part 6 with not only Pucci, but anyone with the Joestar Star Birthmark. They are able to tell not only where others with the mark are, but even if they're alive. Therefore Dio should've known through this psychic connection that Jotaro was playing him and was indeed alive
Probably not being entirely in-sync with the body.
@@lpfan4491 Has nothing to do with Jonathan's body rejecting him. He was able give the joestars stands indirectly and knew where they were through the psychic link. There's no good excuse for it
@@The-Beyonder *the body was able to give the joestars stands indirectly
The world affecting jotaro's heart is probably a mixup with the scene where he uses star platinum to stop his heart in order to lure dio close enough to punch him.
Jojo fans know less about Jojo than people who haven't even seen it
I do think the idea that Hermit Purple was somehow enhancing Joseph's observance to allow him to make such accurate predictions is entirely valid, but that doesn't mean that it's completely impossible for someone like Esidisi to manage to pull off the same thing without such a boost.
26:10 its as if pucci is a bad guy who does bad things 🤯🤯🤯
@15:21 Sorry, but that's FAR more contrived than just assuming Kira can control the bubbles, what would not be as far fetched as as they're just weightless things made of air that just float and he just discovered how while feeding Stray Cat, also we see Kira using Yoshihiro commands from the phone in real time to track Josuke.
But I think it's really funny to imagine Kira listening the phone and passing the commands to Stray Cat like a pokemon trainer, also it's shown that Stray Cat really doesn't have any real sense of trust or alliance to Kira, as SC just shot him when Hayato took the blanket out of the basket.
In part 7, it is mentioned that people who are not present at the start line 2mins before the race starts the will be disqualified but pocoloco starts the match very late but still completes it without being disqualified
Pocoloco is just that lucky.
@@insertreferencehere.8066 "Fated" to succeed in his quest levels of lucky
Even if Red Hot Chilli Peppers did heal from the damage, it wasn't gonna happen quickly
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Question how does jolyne use stone free when its stand form is her string compacted into one form when her body is made out of that string so her using her string like that should mean at least part of her body disappears since whenever she uses her string part of her body disappears and i think stone free being compacted string was said in stand stat screen
DAMN A WHOLE 40 MINUTES, I didn’t think there was this much left
I love these types of videos. I can watch this for hours.
Araki Forgot: In part 7 during the introduction of D4C, we get the perspective of an alternate Diego Valentine used for the shooting, in which he mentions the corpse parts, this should be impossible. Even if there is an explanation, it'd be weird from a thematic standpoint.
That's the main universe Diego. He was attacked by an alternate Wekapipo that Valentine brought over.
the rock humans of the new universe could be the allegory for the pillar men.
HOW IS THIS SERIES STILL GOING?!?!?!?!!
JoJo fans actively resist competency
I think Rock humans are the version of the pillar men civilization in the new time-line.
12:36 thank you, ive rewatched part one several times looking for that line and wondering why i couldnt find it.
I imagine the whole Jonathan is Star Platinum thing is just down to design. Since both seem to take some inspiration from Araki's older work Baoh
Idea for a future video or ending of a video: you receive/are shown .any different misinformed or misunderstood Araki forgot questions, but have you received or thought up any points that actually really do appear to fully be Araki forgot moments? Like stuff that has no explanation or changes that didn't make sense or anything else?
even though you mentioned how it works just before, i think it is very important to mention, that no matter the current position of the gun or it getting brought over at all (which it very likely did, either it was considered a living thing and just got brought over, or even if it wasn't it would be recreated alongside the clothes, because at the very least the ghost room would also be fated to get created again), emporio wouldn't be able to act on it anyways, neither get to the gun nor use it in the first place
because he wasn't fated to
The reading comprehension devil is strong in these ones…
i think for the “time stop heart strain” thing was people misinterpreting the “i need to take a breath before stopping time again” thing jotaro said in the part 6 second to last pucci fight
If Jotaro stops time at 9 secs when Dio’s time ends at 9, and Dio moves for another 2 seconds, wouldn’t that mean the road roller would still move thus should have killed Jotaro before he escaped?
Not necessarily an “Araki forgot”, but just a question. What is the limit of Diavolo’s time erasure usage? Does it have a cooldown or does it drain his stamina like Jotaro’s time stop? Is
I wonder if Araki watches these and says "my fans are forgetful"
Would love a video on what the hell the rock disease even was
Always a treat
just as i woke up, hamon beat uploaded a new video. my day is about to be made
I do have a question for a possible future ep :
What exactly is the Green Baby ? So OK it's DIO's will given form but why is it plant-like and why does it feed on photosynthesis while it's born from DIO's vampiric remnants ? Is it a vampire ? A Stand ? An entirely new species ? An evolution of DIO's flesh buds ? It's sooooo confusing so I wouldn't hate an explanation for someone as well aware as you !
i love how incredibly deadpan and disappointed he sounds while answering these questions-
11:35 I think it might also come from Jotaro stopping his heart in his fight against dio in the anime, which people somehow mistook for Jotaros timestop being weaker
Why didn’t Whitesnake take Jotaros discs when they were under Melt Your Heart?