Intellivision Amico Bizarre "Fact Book" Deep Dive and Analysis!
Вставка
- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- We take a deeper look into the bizarre Intellivision Amico employee "fact book" -- live from Long Island Retro Gaming Expo!
➡Support us and get goodies: shorturl.at/fswBU or on Patreon: / cupodcast
➡More info @
#intellivisionamico #intellivision #amico
Pour one out, folks. The failure of Intellivision robbed us of a professional Shark! Shark esports league with Jessica Alba as spokesperson.
I remember when all this shit started. humble beginnings of pat and Ian saying "well, Nintendo exists but god speed Tommy". now look where we are.
I feel like this whole crazy journey started as Tommy wanting to make a console, then turned into Tommy trying to one-up his critics.
All I have to say is, bravo Tommy! You sure showed them!
I mean initially it sounded as if it had promised, but Tommy running his mouth just showed how disconnected he was from the modern gaming scene. I respected that Tommy would show up in the comment sections of his "critics" ( he even responded to one of my comments once) and appeared professional ( at least on the surface).
Listening to the early days of his Pitch i feel Ian doesn't have to apologize comparing the Amico to Nintendo seeing as Tommy was extremely fixated on the Wii. Tommy kept proclaiming he wanted the Amico to have Wii success, but I feel he truly missed the mark on what made the Wii successful. He saw part of it, but his vision was an extremely watered down version of why the Wii succeeded.
Also I still can't forget that female Journalist who broke down crying about playing games with her mom again, and me just questioning "why can't you just show her how to use a controller on a simple game?" Lol.
Lmao
The Secret did it again! Go, The Secret!
Watching this scandal is the best schadenfreude for a gamer.
Mall tours worked for Tiffany and Debbie Gibson; why wouldn’t they work for the Amico? This more than anything shows just how insanely out of touch Tommy was.
They actually released products. And, besides, Tiffany or Debbie could've ran Intellivision better than Tommy did.
Or Scentscy! And your favorite friend from highschool showing up with an MLM!
Malls are basically dead.
Wait so could Intellivision have done a mall tour where Tiffany and Debbie Gibson squared off on the Amico?!?!
Hell yeah lol even when I was growing up watching electric playground I still preferred Victor Lucas over Tommy Dollarico lol narcissist is a strong diagnosis, but after all this BS it seems like an accurate one. All these “the secret” users are such grifter tools.
All I can think of is the Bill Hicks Debbie Gibson bit, would have loved his take on Tommy ha
We grew up with Intellivision II and Colecovision. Never had Atari, so both those consoles give me nostalgia today...Thunder Castle, Shark Shark, Tower of Doom, Advanced D&D....so many good games. I still have the original consoles and games and they still work to this day.
Hey Amico fans Tommy wasn't your friend. Stop lying to yourselves
.... But he sounded so friendly on the voice mails!
@Dan Smith Did you see DJCs comment in the chat lol
Other than DJC and a couple of other guys, is anyone left? Everyone on the Facebook page have mostly given up.
@@linuxrobotgeek who is DJC?
@Dan Smith ah ok lol i didnt see the live version of this
To be clear, when I heard Amico local sports things, I immediately thought of Atari’s pennants things, where you’d send in a photo of your high score and get a little banner to hang in your room.
At least you gave reviewtechusa more material for his livestreams to react to
Lol 🤣
So reciewtechusa can cry as a manchild?
Really wish they went harder into the esports for the hilarity. Who do you think Tommy would reach out to to help promote it? Billy Mitchell? Todd Rodgers? Donn Nauert? lol
Ian: Regarding the Sean Astin connection, he narrated the Playing with Power Nintendo documentary on Crackle where Tommy was one of the industry celebs interviewed. You could tell they cut out his Amico pitch if you read the tone of his interview answers as they got to the Nintendo Switch. I assume that's where they met.
On Facebook I still get advertisements to buy the amico
I just wanted to put that out there
Poor Michael "Coin Flip" Pachter. He's going to need a new nickname.
Micheal “Usually Wrong” Pachter, who worked for the company that helped make this ridiculous document, when he wasn’t actively shilling for the footbath.
"coin flip" is giving Pachter too much credit.
You guys should have had _Voice mail Tommy_ read that report to the audience. 😁
Or have cousin Tony talk about the misadventures of Tommy and his Chinese friend, Miyamoto-san.
@@juicyfruit6311 😂
Solomon's Key was on the Japanese mini. Ian wins.
Just as I thought this rollercoaster was going to glide to a stop, someone replaced a segment with booster track. Most of Tommy's past is _unshockingly_ revealed to be fraud, his trophy room is nothing but vanity and self-awards, and even the Lamborghini he was posing with in his poseur article in the 90s was revealed to be a sham.
Tommy forgot the second part of "fake it til you make it"
@@DavidSGrop He thought he'd made it, but he forgot about the importance of Newton's Laws.
I wonder how many people would struggle to look at the screen on the controller? I regularly encounter people who struggle to read their phones to give reference codes…..and that’s with glasses.
Don't forget that in BOMB SQUAD we got to see the Amico imitate an inferior screen type.
“Amico is the solution.” To what, having too much money? I guess Tommy solved that problem for a LOT of people!
Tommy was using Scott Steiner math
Tommy needed to be a genetic freak for that to work.
@@jesuszamora6949 would being a big bad booty daddy suffice?
I can't wait to see Pat and Ian's much deserved victory lap when the Intellivision is officially declared dead.
The true question is Will they ever officially declare it dead lol.
50 years from now TT’s grandson will release it just to save the family name.
@@TheCommanderTaco As long as there is an Amico bro on UA-cam, they will never admit they are dead.
@@worldsheaviestjamband93 Tom doesn’t seem very interested in starting a family though. Remember when he shared that he made an agreement with his wife they’d put off having kids until after Amico was a success?
@@sensibleperson1979 Tom doesn't seem interested in starting a family, because there's a non-zero chance the kid he has won't worship the ground he walks on.
I know Ive said it already but I this is going to be an extra long episode of What Happened. I can't wait for Matt Mcmuscles tear this crazy thing apart.
I can't wait for him to just tear apart Tommy's entire career.
"Tommy claims that Cool Spot won an award in EGM. It didn't. Ever."
Thanks for the Nobody Beats the Wiz shout-out. The Broadway Mall location in Hicksville is now a Round1 arcade!
18:15 "... and healthcare" Just went you thought the Amico story had nothing left to it, whame!
The biggest problem with the Amico: Anyone still excited about Intellivision 45 years later likely already has one. The second problem: the most exciting games for Intellivision were 3rd party. Burgertime, Bump 'n Jump, Ladybug, Pacman, Pitfall, Demon Attack. And you can play those on a million other flashback/retro compilation packages.
Another bigger problem: The bestsellers for the Intelllivision are what I would class as "Disposable" games. Games you could either replace with physical objects, or simply better versions from the modern age. Nobody's going to keep playing MLB Baseball when RBI/Nintendo Baseball actually looks like the dang game and controls like a snap.
The Wiz! Fuck, I remember taking advantage of their clearance section with SNES and Genesis games for cheap birthday gifts. I remember them being around in Long Island for sure back then.
CU Podcast back on LI!! Even Tommy T. showed up!
I'm one of those few people that grew up with the Intellivision. My dad has bought one just as he got married in early 80's. And by the time I was like 5 in the mid-80's, I was playing it. And it was fun! When I heard about this, I was excited for like 2 seconds before I remembered the Coleco and Atari debacles.
Mall Tours, wow what a blast from the 80s
"In his quest to create the ultimate whatthefuckever..." hahaha
Hey Sudesh, are any fingers broken already?
Another chapter of the dismal Amico saga. How I enjoy listening to the downfall almost week to week.
This is how it's done, hard cold facts, professional coverage from UA-camrs that were relevant and will continue to be relevant before and after Amico, no petty BS and no delusions of grandeur, it's good to enjoy their podcast indeed.
_"no delusions of grandeur"_
Except for Ian truly starting to believe that everything he and Pat ever said about the Amico motivated Tommy to make a change of plans. I've noticed a pattern with this belief in him, and I haven't even followed their coverage of the Amico that much. Pat needs to check his buddy, because Ian is starting to develop a "legend in his own mind" type of complex.
You're not as influential as you think you are, Ian. 😂
It's funny because if it were true, then it would mean that Ian is the one responsible for the Amico's demise, after Tommy took all of his ideas which crashed and burned. It's all your fault, Ian. You're a terrible leader. 😄
@@kropking Well, the funny thing is that Pat and Ian were VERY relevant to Tommy Tallarico, didn't you know that Tommy uploaded a video to the oficial Intellivision channel that showed crazy lag on o game and then when he was called out by Pat and Ian he literaly said he inverted the controllers on purpose just to specifically troll them? What kind of CEO would do that? and then I'm not sure you are aware but Tommy recorded a 50 minutes video to try get Pat and Ian on his side, basically BEGGIN them to be his "friend", he always waited for the CU Podcast to be uploaded BEFORE releasing any update to avoid Pat and Ian from talking about Amico and he even admited this! And everytime Pat and Ian called him out in any way shape or form he would then go to social media to cry about it, Tommy paid more attention to Pat and Ian than to his investors! He was obsessed! So yeah, Ian is not being delusional, he is spot on.
@@dracovania
I don't deny that Tommy gave Pat and Ian way too much attention, but to think that they single-handedly influenced Tommy to modify all of his business strategies is cuckoo. You can't even get through to a guy like Tommy. He clearly did exactly what he wanted to do, which is exactly why the Amico fell apart, unfortunately. His colleagues forced him out as CEO way too late to save the company.
@@kropking If they can't get though to a guy like Tommy, then why did he make an hour long biolivating video response to them asking them to come game? ua-cam.com/video/AtWAuZAPQFw/v-deo.html
You know, I honestly do think Pat and Ian did influence his decisions, but that speaks more about Tommy's actual fragile ego, childish mindset and poor leadership rather than P&I actual "relevancy".
I assumed he wanted Sean Astin because he's one of the few celebrities that wouldn't tower over Tommy Tallarico? As for the E-Sports... let us not forget that they were going to have leaderboards that were so granular that you would compete with other Amico-lytes in your city for the highest score for Farkle and at the end of the month a certificate would be mailed to yourself!
I imagine the certificate idea was inspired by all of Tommy’s awards/world records/certificates/hall of fames/superlatives
@Ninjakitty Sean Astin only played a hobbit in The Lord of the Rings. So tommy being able to see eye to eye with him still maybe a problem.
@@bladderpuncher3087 Or probably a throwback to the Atari days where companies would sometimes send you patches or certificates, like an early version of achievements with physical doodads. Activision did this very notably with patches.
@@ccricers again, an example of how Tallarico is out of touch from modern gaming scene. I mean, montly certificate of the "best high score"? it seems that Tallarico hasn't moved from the early 80s...
Haven't listened to the cu podcast since the Coleco chameleon saga/ college it's nice to see the industry never changes
It took me, who lives in northern Europe, embarrassingly long time to realise that _corn hole_ is an actual game and not some sort of weird long-running sex joke about Tommy Tellamico and the people he was scamming.😬🤦🏼♂🤦🏼♂
Shame that the LI show was this past weekend. Going to be up there soon for my son's hockey tournament and would have really liked to have had something to fill in the large gaps between games!
As a 47 year old, I have zero nostalgia for the Intellivision. I remember it. I saw it at Sears and Montgomery Wards, but I never played it.
Even people who had an Intellivision, I have to ask, would there be any nostalgia? When the standout game is a combination of Asteroids and Space Invaders, would you want to say, "Frankly, this quaint games system that didn't even manage to get a mascot or Saturday morning cartoon makes me pine for the Halcyon days" or would they go, "Yeah, once Super Mario happened, it was Mario Mania!"
The best selling games on the Intellivision were _Las Vegas Poker & Blackjack_ and _Major League Baseball._ Those are disposable games. You can literally replace them with a deck of cards and literally any future baseball game. Okay, bur there were unique games on the Intellivision, but I barely know what Cloudy Mountain is even after seeing people pine for it. I've even seen a TAS for it. Why pine for that when _The Legend Of Zelda_ takes longer than *10 minutes* to beat and has a save system?
@@XanthinZarda Probably the same as people who still play the 2600, their first console, etc.
@@maxxdahl6062 And perhaps I'm the wrong person to be asking, but what does the A2600 offer outside of 5 minutes at a time?
I was born in 1991. Just a _bit_ beyond the age of that era. I've seen footage of a ton of 2600 games. I even used to have a collection of the Activision titles from back when they were a humble company not ran by a complete monster. Outside of Pitfall and that F1 game, I didn't play them much, and those two didn't garner much attention for long either.
You wanna see a series come back right as rain in proper form? Pull a Frogger: He's Back. Reinvent the game for the modern age while keeping the core of it alive.
@@XanthinZarda I guess try to beat other peoples scores, other achievements, etc. Almost like a sport. Try to do better than everyone else.
Can anybody post a video of Tommy actually playing the guitar live by himself? All I see is him pretending to play guitar along with a track and his hand motions do not match the guitar sound.
Having a chance of seeing tommy actually playing the guitar. Is just as good as seeing the amico on store shelves. 😁
I think he played the electric keyboard during his mansion house tour.
@@TimmiiGamingChannel he played the piano for sure, but it wasn't anything special. I want to see him really playing these guitar solos.
that kermit shirt Ian had on is badass. I need to get one!
The only reason I know of tommy tallarico before this was he used to be on some game review show on TechTV
Edit: Specifically how he raved about how nice the footstep sounds were in Advent Rising
Because he worked on that game personally, even though it was a million dollar flop that killed Majesco.
Electric Playground. I didn't know he was supposed to be anyone but a host like Victor Lucas. Didn't even realize he had a connection with video games while watching.
I do feel like my mom could just play a Switch game faster and more likely than she would play an Amico game just because I’m not a lunatic and I’d never buy an Amico.
I never got that. Like, what family is buying an Amico? A crazy grandmother at Safeco that’s going to disappoint a grandchild? Who would ever want that system?
Amico is just the Fyre festival of dumpster fires.
@ 10:03 -- Solomon's Key was not on the NES Classic Edition, but it was on the Famicom Classic Edition.
I think Tommy thought, based on the $7.1 million dollars they raised, that everyone from developers, engineers, retail outlets, production and distribution companies, etc, were going to line up and offer their services and the Amico would essentially build itself while he stayed busy squandering copious amounts of money.
That's basically what the secret claims will happen. If Tommy believes hard enough, then everyone else will be attracted by the power of that belief and just fall in line to realise your dream for you. So yeah, given Tommy's belief in the secret, he definitely did think that would happen.
You guys should react to the hour long unlisted video Tommy made directed towards you. There is a UA-cam who reuploaded it
For anyone interested, here's the UA-cam video code: *AtWAuZAPQFw*
Can we just let this console die? The constant coverage seems completely unnecessary…oh wait.
I'm going to be that guy and point out that Solomon's Key was on the NES classic but only for the Japanese version so Ian wasn't technically wrong about that.
We need a mass gathering for the victory lap. I'll fly from Wisconsin to anywhere
I'd be interested in how you guys think a successful Intellivision console would look. Maybe if it was a hub you could connect your phone to and play party games on. Perhaps games could have been sold with physical elements to it like board games that interact with the console somehow.
Perhaps it'd start as a software platform, be a compilation of reimagined Intellivision games, and if that worked out, see what's next.
The Switch is what the Wii U could have been were it not before it's time due to the cost of the technology. The Switch has a decent number of party games, but also has all the other sort of games folks like.
The Switch Pro will be 4K via the dock, and the only thing I think they should do is make it able to run Wii Games via the Virtual Console. Being 4K should allow more Xbox One and PS4 games to be ported to the Switch, and possibly more from the Xbox S/X and PS5.
Completely agree. The Wii U was marketed terribly. I had friends with kids come over and ask what it was. When I said it was a Wii U it just didn’t register. They thought it was a Wii with a handheld screen accessory.
@@KingofPotatoPeopleit was a collection of things that led the Wii U to fail.
1. As you noted terrible marketing, as they didn't build up as much hype for it as they did the Wii.
2. The tablet was the main controller, and you couldn't go buy a replacement if the screen broke. Which when targeting towards kids you know would be an inevitability lol.
3. Games like Starfox really highlighted the issue of trying to play with two separate screens distanced quite a bit from each other.
Sure there are more, but those are the ones on the top of my head. I played the Wii U for an afternoon as my sister bought it for my newphews but left it at my house. Me and my friend truly enjoyed playing Mario Brothers multiplayer ( which truly didn't need the wii U) and the tech demo games where they utilized multiplayer with different players using different screens to play together. Sadly 3rd parties just couldn't utilize that feature correctly which i believe is what led the Wii U to fail.
Most ps4/ps5 games and Xbox isnt even 4k and even then 4k isnt a common household thing. Again, most of Nintendo IPs would not benefit from 4k thats why they kept it the way it is.
@@Krushak8888 Nintenjoe25 is in 4k
I hope they continue with a Switch Pro with full backward compatibility. Right now, the Switch still commands a large part of the console market, which does buy them time for things to align. As a portable hybrid, we figure, it has to do with a balance between low cost, high reliability, good battery life, light weight, and small enough size. All leading to overall usability and use cases. Unfortunately, the moving tech to support all of that moves slower than large form consoles/PCs. Hopefully, the chip stuff will improve fast enough, even though that also means any direct competitor, of form, is also slowed down and still needs to sell a ton of units to catch up.
I actually saw this kind of timing happen, a number of times, with previous Nintendo portables. Usually, some stuff with more powerful hardware comes up, but by the time they halfway approach the portable market share, Nintendo drops the next system.
It's been one hell of a ride!
and a fun one at that
Glad we could boost Tommy's ego with a house tour where we weren't allowed to touch anything.
When you read the intramural stuff, I immediately thought about schools doing Cornhole tournaments with the Amico instead of playing the actual game. I don't know why the Amico folks are so proud of that game 😂
Don't you know, I need TP for my Bunghole to play cornhole with?
Market Strategy: start a flame war on social media. CHECK!
Do yall want to hear a joke?
Intellivision Amico.
Just love seeing you guys so chill at a convention
The original Intellivision was great because it’s sports games like NFL Football, MLB Baseball, Soccer and NHL Hockey. Those games made the console. It’s games were more advance than others at the time. B17 Bomber was a great combat game for its time. The Intellivision sports games were long ago surpassed.
I had one growing up along with the Intellivoice add-one. I thought trying to bring it back in the age of PS and Xbox was stupid
Plot twist: Michael Pachter turned out to be the biggest scam of all.
Michael Patcher is a case study in "You CAN be pantshittingly terrible at your job, and somehow keep it."
@@SomeOrangeCat No kidding. I floated that opinion once in NintendoLife's weird comment section after they promoted Pachter's bold prediction that Mario Kart 9 would have a new gameplay hook (no specifics on the actual hook, of course). Wow. You don't say? Almost immediately, the Pachter defenders swarmed to his defense. Totally bizarre.
@@TheLadsBandLive He has defenders?! Huh?!
@@SomeOrangeCat
You can add Angel Hernandez to that list.
what a drop mic moment
Easy guys, don't call it garbage call Tommy garbage...people lost tons of money....Steven Tyler was leaving the Boston garden yesterday and as he was walking fast through the crowd with his bodyguards to avoid a mass of people someone actually yelled can u get me an amico refund....sadly I was probably the only other person who understood what it meant but it was funny. Good to see ya on the road podcasting show...I should have trademarked the foot bath comment
Tommy is garbage, but sadly you can't deny the product being advertised itself was garbage as well. Anyone who wasn't a Tommy cultists or diehard Amico fan knew from the start the Amico would either barely make anything in the market or just flat out fail. If that doesn't fit the definition of Garbage then E-waste?
lol, I doubt Steven Tyler would remember on the spot that Tommy that shares his surname, but it's a distant relative.
"Look at us doing conventions again"
that one got me *sniff
The math was simple, unfortunately it was done by Scott Steiner
Scott's math was right, at least. He numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for Tommy at Sacrifice.
"With a lot of carbs from bagels and Thai pastries..." THAI PASTRIES? FROM THAILAND? Bruh, I've lived and worked in Thailand... nowhere outside of Thailand have I ever seen Thai pastries.
Because fancy murians go look i made insert country pastry and over price em to be fancy
I just want to take a moment to point out the sheer absurdity that the folks at Intellivision thought they were going to establish an e-sports league with their totally legitimate patent-pending "Karma Gaming Engine" that actively disincentivizes skill-based game play.
Such a weird and interesting story... they should make this in a movie script
Bold of you to say that Shark Shark doesn’t have the playability of Zelda! Lol
At l ast 10 min of gameplay!!
Gotta trust the fact checkers
This whole thing is just tommy regurgitating buzz words and just saying stuff (or not saying stuff) to try and make his critics look bad. It's why the Amico went from a reasonable, if a bit of an out of touch, idea to this wonder box that could do anything and everything. It would be E-sports, NFT's, simple, complex, kid friendly yet appeal to the whole family, nostalgia bait while not being nostalgia bait and god knows what other insane shit he said over the years.
I kind of get why this weird little cult popped up. Whatever you thought the Amico was Tommy probably had some quote to validate that opinion.
I think the New Intellivision would have been successful had he came out instead with a gaming platform similar to steam or as downloadable platform for playing games, that could have worked with phones the way their downloadable controller app was supposed to work. Their own controllers also could have been sold to those who wanted to use those controllers. By not focusing on hardware, this could have been a far better experience for Tommy and fans of the Intellivision.
Yeah, that's what everyone told him. "Focus on making a base of software first."
Even the mighty Nintendo didn't make software in house at first. (This famously bit them in the butt.)
Yeah he might've been successful if he did everything different. But starting with actual good games would've helped.
Wanton = deliberate and unprovoked.
Wonton = a Chinese dumpling.
Should probably save the smoking for after the live show.
This piece of junk is still on pre-order with Argos in the UK. Planned delivery 31/12/2022 😜😩😂🤡
I actually laughed when Tommy did the "Imagine playing games with your mom again...." line trying to make people cry. My response would be "My mom didnt want to play video games in 1980, why the hell would she want to do it now?" Crap like that makes me laugh b/c no matter who he would have tried to use that with none of the adults in my family (My mom's side or my Dad's) played video games. and honestly I hate Spider-man now b/c of Tommy's love for it. I saw this really really REALLLY stupid video once of Tommy dressed up as Spider-man meeting Stan Lee. It was as dumb as it sounds.
Ah yes, competitive esports for the casual gamer. Just what the people needed.
The Amico did have potential but it was never going to fill anything but a niche corner of the market unfortunately Tommy was more concerned with arguing with the haters and constantly setting the bar Too high
It never had any. The controller was utter garbage, the games were shovelware, nobody in the company had a clue what they're doing, the console was severely underpowered, and they were trying to fill a need that does not exist.
Ian trying to wax nostalgic and nudging Pat & Pat rejecting the prospect is the most inverse shit of the last 10 years.
3 more COVID’s seem likelier than Ian nudging Pat ever again.
Maybe an Amico console release could be rarer, but I don’t know.
Pat didn’t even realize it when it happened.
I wantwd the games that had the pixel guy in it. But that God I canceled my order before money was taken.
Tonmy is such a celebrity to make up the money that they need and lost they could easily just have him sign every box console and his signature alone should go ahead and offset the losses?
Why not "cheat sheet"
baffling how delusional this is
WONTONS
Intellivision had many amazing games. Problem was, they didn't stick with reimaging those great titles. The original Shark! Shark! and especially, Astrosmash were actually good games. But we never saw Bomb Squad, Night Stalker, D&D/Cloudy Mountain, Safe Cracker or any thing else they teased when they originally announced Amico.
As a huge Intellivision fan, I was super excited initially but quickly saw they were just shovling crappy mobile apps that never were true to the Intellivision legacy which was actually pretty great.
I mean, I enjoy my intellivision, but I always found it a bit lackluster. But agree on astrosmash and S!S!. Excellent games for their day.
Thanks!
I love the intellivision and was excited when they announced this thing but after all the crap they pulled I could care less
Was this after a 3 martini lunch lol?
You guys are fkn awesome.
I wish you guys could have eliminated the loud buzzing from this video.
Why are they holding their microphones? No table stands? Why not use lavaliere mics?
Aye guys!!
Which CUPodcast episode is where SeanBaby called Doug TenNapel a Nazi?
How many hours have you guys spent talking about this stupid console? And why? To begin with, you said it was so no one got ripped off, but it failed over a year ago and you're still talking about it. It's a bit much.
@LaserActiveGuy not worth talking about for 30 or 40 hours.
@@dannkk Guess what? It's easy to skip if you don't want to watch.
@@PatTheNESpunk not as easy as you may think.
Let it go. Be bigger people
Let it go. The Amico is dead. Move on.
You could take your own advice and skip Amico related segments. Considering it's supposedly dead (you might want to tell their CEO that, he's still saying it's coming) the news keeps coming. Pat and Ian cover retro shit, this whole Amico mess was targeted toward the retro community, so why wouldn't they cover it?
It'll be dead when the documentation is sent to the state and no sooner. If they want to kick things down the road, then by golly, we'll beat the horse's dust.