What do you think about Wasted Studios going out of business? Will Moon Patrol and Biplanes get finished elsewhere? Do you think there are other Intellivision devs in similar situations and/or upset about the lack of progress with the console?
I doubt these games will ever see the light of day, much like the amico console. Oddly, moon patrol was pushed from the beginning. If a launch day title didn't make it, then forget about any of the others!
So, just wondering, can an employee get sued if they speak out before their NDA expires? 🤔 I assume so? That's the whole point of an NDA in this situation I'm guessing? 🤔 As I said... I'm just wondering... ✌🏼🙂👍🏼
Well, the good thing is that a company that doesn't exist anymore can't enforce an NDA, so once the house of cards collapses completely, the floodgates will open.
With the Dev company that made Moon Patrol folding before the "deep dive" and there was revealed content from Star Fox written in the game.........Do you think this could have been an act of sabotage by the Dev Company as they weren't properly funded and angry with Intellivision and how they were treated?
This is the type of thing that needs some sort of documentary, the rise and fall of intellivison. From interviews with former staff to stories and reenactments of things that happened. Tommy since I know you read everything here’s an idea for you maybe you can make the soundtrack. !
I’m trying to think of a word to replace rise with since they never really were rising. The ______ and fall. The BS promise and fall might work. There’s something more clever out there.
Funny how they could manufacture card board ‘IOUs’, but not the consoles. Alverado was caught saying they can build Amicos in-house. His Private messages were leaked on to AtariAge. My question is - why couldn’t they budget in a ‘team’ of people to assemble consoles there at IE, and then switch to a manufacturer later??
Looking forward to your look at the "unboxing" video that just dropped- it's a doozy. I still don't know what's going to happen; but like any car crash, I've been fascinated by this saga in the "don't want to look, but can't look away" sense.
I have been viewing this as a dumpster fire rather then a car crash lol. Feels nice and warm to be next too ( might smell a bit) while listening to people criticize how the fire started, and others arguing that the contents that are burning are still salvageable or good as new in today's market lol.
I figure John spear-headed this video as a way of saying "WE'RE STILL ALIVE!" If nothing else, the video was better than anything else they've produced, and should have been what we saw a year ago. It still sucked and is too little, too late, but it was funny nonetheless.
I was one of the suckers who reserved a "founders edition". Little did I know I'll be getting a paper box for my troubles (maybe). At least that was my takeaway from the "unboxing video". It pissed me off immensely knowing that no console will ever be forthcoming, yet those snake oil salesmen are acting like nothing's wrong. 😡😡🤬
Tommy is a fan of “The Secret”? Explains so much… Also, of all the shills, Slope’s is the most painful. He’s done Kickscammer videos on projects with far fewer red flags than the Amico. Maybe the Cooler Cooler guy should have come on his channel?
@@davidlloyd1526 I think there are some flashback style cheap ones. It would have been nice if they had something great like the Sega Genesis Mini. With every detail of the original, best games included. And maybe some newer versions too.
Lol, I like that shot at Mike Mullis at the end. The dude has literally said "I love you" to Tommy multiple times. No that's honestly not a joke, he's said he loves Tommy on multiple occasions. The guy that calls Sam from Ars Technica biased, literally "loves" Tommy.
Sad thing is I wanted to like the Unboxing video, because John seems like a truly likable guy. I didn't like the video because they still haven't shown us the full specs or gone over truly important things towards the market they are supposedly aiming towards ( no mention of parental controls or what parents can do to make sure little Timmy dosen't go crazy on the store. Remember these are no longer cheap $3-$10 games lol).
They timed it right. Waited for this podcast to be taped midday and then released their unboxing. Knowing fully well they got a full week of exposure before the next CU podcast.
Pat bought the physical products so he could participate in the inevitable class action lawsuit. No judge will believe customers bought these expecting anything less than a guaranteed eventual game.
He said someone gifted them to him in an earlier podcast. Unless he bought more I thought they were a limited release. A quick cash grab for Mr. Scamarico.
I'm glad I've been keeping up with all of your coverage of this - there's so many juicy details to keep track of. It feels like my very own Coleco Chameleon, this is a hoot
You guys have done a great job over the last few years with these con artists. Such a shame though that great names like Intellivision and Atari VCS have been desiccated by this ridiculous "crowd " funding ethos.
I do believe if the Amico did come out on time it severed more of a purpose than the VCS which is basically a crap gaming computer without a keyboard emulator machine.
The Atari VCS merely lacks identity. It does a thing... it is a bit overpriced and doesn't have the ability to justify it being around It isn't a scam--but uh, that shouldn't be considered an achievement. However, we live in the darkest timeline
Given that they've resorted to "Friday Night Dump" tactics before, the behaviour is as predictable as it is sad. But rather than evading the wrath, they've just given the duo a _whole week_ to dissect the video. Frame by frame, if they wanted.
How ironic is it that Tommy was upset about the release/leak/reporting of “confidential” info by Ars Technica when he couldn’t do the same for his own partners in Choice Provisions.
Now that they've done an unboxing video, the silence is broken and the scatterbrained timing of their public updates continues. It's all very ill thought out from a customers perspective, and if it was someone who hasn't seen this console before, it would be easy for them to assume it's ready to ship soon.
The Amico will NEVER see a retail release. The pandemic be damned, other companies STILL found a way to release new hardware (i.e. Blaze and their Evercade and Valve’s Steam Deck).
Pat, I personally talked to StartEngine and they told me that Intellivision's escrow account had never been opened - that no funds were ever taken from the investors because they terminated their offering, and so nobody was actually refunded. Meaning that all the money "invested" in the StartEngine campaign was basically people just saying how much they _wanted_ to contribute - it was essentially a pipe dream, potentially even just from the employees themselves.
@@PatTheNESpunk i almost pre-ordered yesterday because I like the idea and the wood theme console looks retro but I did my research and found out how it was delayed and all these problems wow
$50 says the book about this when it's all over includes like a chapter (or several asides/ cutaways that more or less amounts to a chapter) detailing the Caleco Chameleon (and whatever it was originally called) & tracing the similarities between the two situations...
I must be on my 5th listen of this entire playlist, this whole dramatic saga has been high camp and you two have covered it brilliantly. "if they were deathly silent, that when we knew - we got them." has to be one of my favorite moments, chills! lmao give pat and ian an emmy for this shit
This dumpster fire just keeps on burning...that is pretty sleazy to showcase a game (not even finished) from a defunct company. Knowing Tommy, he probably would have kept them profits for amico, since the dev was liquidated
Have you two seen the Amico unboxing video?! I was BLOWN AWAY. If you could stop hating on poor Tommy and his friends for even five seconds you would appreciate that the Amico box is the most fucking beautiful box ever conceived. Never before has a box been so square or so cardboardy. Glad to see that millions of dollars were put to good use.
Yeah, secretly this project was for you to buy a several hundred dollar box for your cat to play with and companies like Petco and PetSmart were being pitched to for distribution.
Keep in mind, this was recorded a few days ago, so they'll have seen it by now. We'll see what they have to say in full next week (and it'll be glorious, I'm sure).
When the Amico saga finally dies it's death, I'd love your guys take on the somewhat related thing that will also never come out, star citizen. For now though thank you for continuing to brighten my day with this train wreck :)
I think they'd have to invent that good-hearted "right-hand man" for an Amico movie from whole cloth because, AFAICT, all of the executives seem to be totally onboard the scam train.
And then they had the gal to show off both of these games in some form during their latest video. Oh, sorry, you thought they were having a "quiet period"? Haha, no, that's too hard for these guys. They needed to show that they're still alive. Barely.
Interesting how this video comes out after the unboxing. Intellivision lives in a fantasy world thinking a video will somehow make things better. Ship the consoles and deliver them Intellivision. Enough with the nonsense.
The funny thing is if you read between the lines in that unboxing video they pretty much state the software still isn't done ( the game is free since the store still isn't up an running) lol. Sadly that was the breaking point for me to dislike the video ( was laughing that they turned off comments on the video) because I was curious what kind of parental controls they put in to make sure the child does not charge the parents card lol.
@@TheCommanderTaco I think they disabled the comments because they know the criticism they're going to get. Also I think they did the video to appease the investors.
@@TheCommanderTaco to be fair, what's the point of paying and maintaining servers if they aren't being used yet. If I had a company and I was trying to do the same thing, I'd cut costs by activating the server like 1 month before launch
@@TheCrazierz part of a reason to have them up early would be for maintenance reasoning. you want to make sure the store works as intended and dosen't give any issues ( R&D time which the company can't afford lol). The other reason I can think like people have stated this video once again seems geared more towards investors, and if it wasn't it would have given people more light if they John had shown himself redeeming a "physical" copy of a game which can't be done without a running store and working encrypted URL ( which we all know how well they handle encryption based on their developer port site) lol.
@@TheCrazierz Well... if the software is working, they could just use an old laptop to run it. Paying for servers only becomes an issue after you have 10,000 consoles connecting in...
@@lasskinn474 So much behind the scenes stuff. Heard the guy who is supposed to get $100/sold console is the father of the guy in charge of Intellivisin Dubai? Holy twists and turns! 😱
Wasted Studios stopped producing Intellivision games once that German grant money ran out. Once they had to rely tommy to fund them then it was Game Over.
@@devilmikey00 Oh yeah. Tommy wasn't giving these devs any money. He was spending that 17 million on office spaces and giving his friends 6 figures salaries.
@@ezg2000 I mean They have 3 years to finish and polishing their games and they haven't and delay it a 4th time. Mainly due to the parts shortage or them fucking up with the manufactures that have the components and don't want to pay what at least 1.5 mil to them but lost that much money and wanted to get a nice paid profit and not doing anything and now their charging the customers more money so they can paid back the German Govt and Sudash loans too.
The Slopes video was asking other UA-camrs if they thought these could be classified as games and opinions on packaging and delivery method. All of them disliked it
I had predicted the most damning revelations would only surface after the whole thing had collapsed and it seems to be happening. I wonder how much worse this'll get?
Have you looked into John Avacado's recent posts, thankfully collected into one image? It's kind of magical madness. Women bashing, MRA praise, trans bashing, an "Unwoke" association, "Social Marxism", an anti-islamic post, any one of these would be worthy of a sidelong stare, but he's posted _all of that._ Simply ask Imgur for 52vSYON and prepare to cringe until your soul warps though the Stargate.
If the Dev was liquidated on July 2021, then there's a very good chance that the Amico team knew the Dev was going under during the E3 presentation on June 2021.
It's not a blank cheque forever. There are almost certainly stipulations and at some point you have to reapply I imagine. It probably ran out and they were denied or didn't bother to reapply for more grant money and that was that.
I don't understand how some people think that making a retro console with their own games and whatever is a good idea and profitable, when wouldn't it make more since to put together a digital collection on the current consoles and online? Granted most of these are already available. I mean the Atari Box, the Chamelion, and now this.
I feel that "Toys In The Attic" by Aerosmith has some kind of relevance to this shit show situation here! Except... I can't for the life of me tie it in to a witty comment right now! (I mean, yep, Steven Tyler/Tallarico IS Tommy's cousin after all!) 🤔😉 ✌🏼😊👍🏼
You thought you could go a month without talking about the Amico? Not yet. Soon, though.. Quite soon. Soon, it'll be Intellivision Entertainment going bankrupt and the Amico officially canceled. Then, the updates will obvious die down. I still think that's coming before the end of April myself. You're four yards from shore now.
TIL choice provisions are also the devs behind the BIT.TRIP series. the original 6 titles are great retro-inspired games and you can see some of that same flair from their version of breakout
When Ian was talking about the CEOs obsession with the secret it just makes you think. He really should have read a book called the transparency or something. Gamers like to know everything about a console mystery frustrates us.
I don't see how they think it's so strange to release an unfinished game. It's very common now, only difference is that companies today want more money for you to download content to be able to finish the game. Deep down you bought them because they're gonna be worth money in 40 years.
Your videos haven’t popped up on my feed for 1 weeks. I actually forgot about your channel until Fleamarket Sunday reminded me today. They use to go up on my feed all the time
I never really commented much on this because I doubt he intended the video to be portrayed the way it was, but I basically stopped watching Slope's Game Room with that Amico video. The part that peeved me was when after most of the guests he invited pointed out all the problems with using "NFTs" as fake physical game licenses, he immediately went to argue the opposite of them with no evidence, and then said that it "couldn't be done before" without NFTs so therefor using the NFTs was an acceptable solutions.. Not even going into the fact that doesn't solve the issues people are concerned about with digital games because.... well it doesn't, it also could have been done before. Even if the people he invited had pointed that out (I can't recall if they had or not), I feel it would have been best to have maybe asked some experts (and I mean software and networking experts, not "NFT experts") before covering the issue if he wasn't sure. Again I think this was just an issue of him going into a topic not fully informed and in turn giving his honest opinion without realizing how bad it would look, but it really rubbed me the wrong way, both in terms of being informed as a host but also in terms of considering his own guest's opinions.
I honestly don't trust Ibbertson (Slope's Game Room). His continued Amico support in spite of the evidence, particularly while claiming he's been critical of the system all along, has been highly dubious. More so when you consider that roughly half of his channels videos cover and call out various crowd funding scams. (Which gets into another issue, Ibbertson in particular refusing to acknowledge even the possibility that anything might by problematic about the whole Amico situation is probably enough to convince a number of less informed viewers that there is nothing to the various anti-Amico claims.) When his Amico video drew negative comments, he was clearly annoyed. When the Intellivision financial report story broke, Ibbertson's response was instead to complain about his commenters posting negative comments to his Amico videos, and that it might be the last we heard about it from him.
@@BainesMkII I haven't been following him since that initial video but thats all making me doubt him genuinely a bit more. I was dubious of him being so un-critical of a crowd funded project that many thought was a scam with his content being mostly "look at this crowd funded project that everyone thought was a scam it was such a scam" but at the time I felt more concerned about what was clearly off from what I was familiar with, that the NFT usage is clearly a farce. That he started to even go against clear evidence of at a minimum, issues with the Amico is certainly more concerning.
@@BainesMkII I never watched Slope's game room, but I did stop watching ReviewtechUSA b/c of him deciding to jump on the Amico bandwagon to "own" Pat and Ian. He platformed Tommy Tallerico giving him multiple interviews and praise. That was the final straw for me after I had felt there was a huge decline in the quality in his videos in the first place.
Wait, it COULDN'T be done before? There's such a thing as a digital code for a video game, and that's existed for a long time now. Just need to have a valid key and an account, voila! Also it can only be used once. I don't watch Slope's Game Room, but that was a really stupid thing for Ibbertson to say.
@@callak_9974 He was claiming that game sharing couldn't be done before because no one offers it so clearly you can't do it. Which... no, no one offers it because it makes absolutely no business sense, theres been patents for it for years from companies like Apple and Microsoft, and I doubt NFTs would offer anything genuinely more superior than the ecommerce platforms weve spent decades improving.
I just watched the unboxing video, and it seems like they said a lot of nothing in it. A whole minute was wasted on the language feature b/c this is the European model they are showing off and of course they have to mention that Italian is the second language b/c "It's Tommy's favorite!" And as far as the games go, they only show off four. I'm gonna stop talking about it, b/c I'm sure you guys will have much more to say about it next week, but they did turn off the comments for the Unboxing video lol
Oh, it's more than nothing. It's net negative. Machine translated languages, box & product are all beat to hell, hand cut manual missing languages, US plug in EU box, EAN missing, no certs on anything?
Night Stalker has been lost to the ether. No updates from Other Ocean or Mike Mika has me wondering if they saw the writing on the wall and stopped production.
@@PatTheNESpunk Not surprising then. Night Stalker was the one title that made me preorder day 1 because I love Mikes studios (and the original title). Luckily I got my $100 back last year when shit really started hitting the fan. Took over a month to get it back (with very little communication) so I'm hopeful the folks you mentioned that are still waiting can get theirs back.
So there's this fellow, "Stop Drop & Retro". This is the "Screw You" update. Where they puppet whatever they've got to rub it into your face that they've taken your money. As was the case of the Aido social robot.
13:19 this seems to be the idea that I get too. Tommy seemed genuine to me but it appears along the way he realised how hard all this is and things got out of hand. Console development is not easy and there are way more failures than successes for a reason.
That's entirely possible. I often liken it to the Theranos saga. Like Theranos, I think the Amico likely had honest, although perhaps a bit high-minded aspirations. When didn't go according to plan they opted to push out a more cheerful narrative of the state of affairs rather than to throw in the towel.
for the record i remember SLOPES comparing the amico to the SEGA PICO it upset me because the PICO actually came out and it was actually educational and fun for my younger brother and I even got involved in trying to find more games for it (which became difficult) this amico just tainted the gaming world.
Geezus. I bought the Pico for my niece and I ended up using the thing myself. I babysat her and I played it while she was sleeping. The Amico isn't even released. Slopes made a bad comparison.
Slope was very transparent about his videos of the Amico. He said no one from IE was paying him, and the only investment he has in the Amico console is a pre-order. That’s it. I doubt Slope is ignoring everything surrounding the Amico right now. I suspect he will have a ‘scammer’ video posted on his channel, once the dust settles.
Loren Ipsum is standard placeholder text for graph designers, and programmers probably use it, too. I'm guessing they threw on the Starfox text when they weren't getting paid. It was a test to see if the Amico team would catch it. It's the perfect f-u!
This time next year i bet there "Physical" games go for pennies 🤣 At least this is one L Scalpers well have to take. Seriously there's some one right now with boxes of these things that might as well be toilet paper. I'll pay 20 bucks right for all 8. I don't collect for money but memories and this is a big one.
I do think you buying those trinkets make sense as you report on this. The way this company is going and the fans you know in 5 - 10 years you will likely have to deal with Tommy Gaslighting the situation and having the phyical product as the recipe of his failure to utterly shut that down as well as some peace of mind you have a smoking gun of proof. Legit of people that have bought them you should not feel dirty no one likely has more usefulness for them than anyone else on the planet. I do hope for your well being of being able to talk about other things that the company closes and we dont have the onion of bad like activision.
Pat & Ian were actually latecomers in breaking this news. It was day old news by the time these 2 got to it. I do have some questions (which I posted on another thread) 1) Prior to tweet regarding this news, the last post was from January 2021. Well over 1 year ago. Would they update the status of the games? Why the long time between posts? 2) They say they are still working on games for Intellivision. Now, does that include Amico games or does that mean mobile and other consoles. Given with what's been going on with the Amico and that John Alvarado unboxing, it is fair to be skeptical about anything Amico related. Once again, Pat and Ian were latecomers in this news. Did they get the wrong info? Maybe. Let's see how things play out.
What do you think about Wasted Studios going out of business? Will Moon Patrol and Biplanes get finished elsewhere? Do you think there are other Intellivision devs in similar situations and/or upset about the lack of progress with the console?
Honesty Pat I don't think there any games finished for the amico
Maybe you should invest to get these games completed!
I doubt these games will ever see the light of day, much like the amico console. Oddly, moon patrol was pushed from the beginning. If a launch day title didn't make it, then forget about any of the others!
They released a new video.
It was so weird that Slopes, known for calling out Kickstarter scams, shilled for Amico like that.
I really want a full on documentary of the Amico now. A deep dive long form vid. Cause this HAS to go deeper and crazier then any of us realize.
It's going to be really interesting when the employee NDA's expire. The stories are going to be wild.
André LaMothe once said he was doing some of the engineering on the controller, hope he can spill the beans when NDAs expire.
So, just wondering, can an employee get sued if they speak out before their NDA expires? 🤔
I assume so? That's the whole point of an NDA in this situation I'm guessing? 🤔
As I said... I'm just wondering...
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It will be tons of fun.
Well, the good thing is that a company that doesn't exist anymore can't enforce an NDA, so once the house of cards collapses completely, the floodgates will open.
NDAs don't really mean shit if you lose your job over semi-fraudulent bullshit or the company folds.
With the Dev company that made Moon Patrol folding before the "deep dive" and there was revealed content from Star Fox written in the game.........Do you think this could have been an act of sabotage by the Dev Company as they weren't properly funded and angry with Intellivision and how they were treated?
This is the type of thing that needs some sort of documentary, the rise and fall of intellivison. From interviews with former staff to stories and reenactments of things that happened. Tommy since I know you read everything here’s an idea for you maybe you can make the soundtrack. !
Pitch it to Company Man. "The Rise and Fall of Intellivison."
I’m trying to think of a word to replace rise with since they never really were rising. The ______ and fall.
The BS promise and fall might work.
There’s something more clever out there.
I'm optimistic that Slopes will eventually put out a Kickscammers video about the Amico that's on the same level as his ZX Spectrum Vega+ video.
@@TheKnobCalledTone. me too. or McMuscles doing a what Happun?! Intellivison Amico/Tommy Talerico
@@worldsheaviestjamband93 It's a perfect title 👍
Or maybe: "The Fall and Death of Intellivision"
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Funny how they could manufacture card board ‘IOUs’, but not the consoles. Alverado was caught saying they can build Amicos in-house. His Private messages were leaked on to AtariAge. My question is - why couldn’t they budget in a ‘team’ of people to assemble consoles there at IE, and then switch to a manufacturer later??
Because the software isn't close to being done
@@paulliadis From what is known, the console isn’t finished yet either.
I like how you can see your dislike on the screenshot at 12:29 Pat lol, well played, well played.
Looking forward to your look at the "unboxing" video that just dropped- it's a doozy. I still don't know what's going to happen; but like any car crash, I've been fascinated by this saga in the "don't want to look, but can't look away" sense.
I have been viewing this as a dumpster fire rather then a car crash lol. Feels nice and warm to be next too ( might smell a bit) while listening to people criticize how the fire started, and others arguing that the contents that are burning are still salvageable or good as new in today's market lol.
This is my version of As the World Turns or General Hospital for sure. Except its real life with real people who have got hurt in the process sadly.
I figure John spear-headed this video as a way of saying "WE'RE STILL ALIVE!"
If nothing else, the video was better than anything else they've produced, and should have been what we saw a year ago.
It still sucked and is too little, too late, but it was funny nonetheless.
Me too, i can't wait to hear Pat and Ian's take on the unboxing video! 😭🤣🤭
I was one of the suckers who reserved a "founders edition". Little did I know I'll be getting a paper box for my troubles (maybe). At least that was my takeaway from the "unboxing video". It pissed me off immensely knowing that no console will ever be forthcoming, yet those snake oil salesmen are acting like nothing's wrong. 😡😡🤬
good lord after the unboxing, there are so many channels still "Deep throating" the Amico in praise
Like John Riggs?
@@JohnSegerclucka is Riggs still shilling for Amico? I unsubbed after that first video he did covering it.
@@jNetDowling I don't know if he's still doing it. I would assume so.
@@jNetDowling ps after seeing a couple of his shilling videos I can't watch anything he does anymore either
ua-cam.com/video/NBqOV3ChWDQ/v-deo.html So so so funny from 2 years ago. SHILL
"the gang makes a console"
With so many unlikeable characters and possible schemes, this is starting to feel like a rejected Always Sunny plot.
Nah, it's the "Nathan for You" of gaming.
Comments are turned off on the "unboxing" video...
Send those games off to WATA now so you can get a jump on everyone else! What a collector piece!
When I first saw this video pop up, I thought it meant that Intellivision itself had gone out of business! If only!
Tommy is a fan of “The Secret”? Explains so much…
Also, of all the shills, Slope’s is the most painful. He’s done Kickscammer videos on projects with far fewer red flags than the Amico. Maybe the Cooler Cooler guy should have come on his channel?
They should have just promised and released a mini console with the best games. Call it a day and made people happy.
I think there's already been an Intellivision mini-console, though...
@@davidlloyd1526 I think there are some flashback style cheap ones. It would have been nice if they had something great like the Sega Genesis Mini. With every detail of the original, best games included. And maybe some newer versions too.
@@guillermos8447 but there's no demand. The fact that a flashback plug and play exists is a miracle
Lol, I like that shot at Mike Mullis at the end. The dude has literally said "I love you" to Tommy multiple times. No that's honestly not a joke, he's said he loves Tommy on multiple occasions. The guy that calls Sam from Ars Technica biased, literally "loves" Tommy.
You guys had a chance to go a month without Amico discussion but they decided to mess that up with their poorly executed “unboxing” event.
Sad thing is I wanted to like the Unboxing video, because John seems like a truly likable guy. I didn't like the video because they still haven't shown us the full specs or gone over truly important things towards the market they are supposedly aiming towards ( no mention of parental controls or what parents can do to make sure little Timmy dosen't go crazy on the store. Remember these are no longer cheap $3-$10 games lol).
They timed it right. Waited for this podcast to be taped midday and then released their unboxing. Knowing fully well they got a full week of exposure before the next CU podcast.
I laughed at the unboxing video. It’s clearly an attempt to swindle the uninformed into thinking the Amico is being manufactured and close to release.
@@worldofretrogameplay6963 I thought it is before actually watching it. Thinking it’s egg on everyone’s face. 😂
Pat bought the physical products so he could participate in the inevitable class action lawsuit. No judge will believe customers bought these expecting anything less than a guaranteed eventual game.
He said someone gifted them to him in an earlier podcast. Unless he bought more I thought they were a limited release. A quick cash grab for Mr. Scamarico.
@@spiderfan1974 unsurprisingly, they are still quite available. I have to imagine the sales were abysmal
I'm glad I've been keeping up with all of your coverage of this - there's so many juicy details to keep track of. It feels like my very own Coleco Chameleon, this is a hoot
You guys have done a great job over the last few years with these con artists. Such a shame though that great names like Intellivision and Atari VCS have been desiccated by this ridiculous "crowd " funding ethos.
I got my vcs just fine. I haven't tested it out yet but at least they delivered. It just lacks more exclusive games.
I do believe if the Amico did come out on time it severed more of a purpose than the VCS which is basically a crap gaming computer without a keyboard emulator machine.
The Atari VCS merely lacks identity. It does a thing... it is a bit overpriced and doesn't have the ability to justify it being around
It isn't a scam--but uh, that shouldn't be considered an achievement. However, we live in the darkest timeline
Someone tell Karl Jobst to do a doc on this.
Does Intellivision make announcements (unbox video, CEO change, etc.) on Tuesdays just to avoid Pat and Ian’s wrath?
Given that they've resorted to "Friday Night Dump" tactics before, the behaviour is as predictable as it is sad. But rather than evading the wrath, they've just given the duo a _whole week_ to dissect the video. Frame by frame, if they wanted.
How ironic is it that Tommy was upset about the release/leak/reporting of “confidential” info by Ars Technica when he couldn’t do the same for his own partners in Choice Provisions.
I ran out of popcorn long ago, but I can't stop watching! This story just keeps raising the ante!
Now that they've done an unboxing video, the silence is broken and the scatterbrained timing of their public updates continues.
It's all very ill thought out from a customers perspective, and if it was someone who hasn't seen this console before, it would be easy for them to assume it's ready to ship soon.
The Amico will NEVER see a retail release. The pandemic be damned, other companies STILL found a way to release new hardware (i.e. Blaze and their Evercade and Valve’s Steam Deck).
Pat, I personally talked to StartEngine and they told me that Intellivision's escrow account had never been opened - that no funds were ever taken from the investors because they terminated their offering, and so nobody was actually refunded. Meaning that all the money "invested" in the StartEngine campaign was basically people just saying how much they _wanted_ to contribute - it was essentially a pipe dream, potentially even just from the employees themselves.
I was referring to refunds for the console pre-orders.
@@PatTheNESpunk i almost pre-ordered yesterday because I like the idea and the wood theme console looks retro but I did my research and found out how it was delayed and all these problems wow
$50 says the book about this when it's all over includes like a chapter (or several asides/ cutaways that more or less amounts to a chapter) detailing the Caleco Chameleon (and whatever it was originally called) & tracing the similarities between the two situations...
I must be on my 5th listen of this entire playlist, this whole dramatic saga has been high camp and you two have covered it brilliantly. "if they were deathly silent, that when we knew - we got them." has to be one of my favorite moments, chills! lmao give pat and ian an emmy for this shit
This dumpster fire just keeps on burning...that is pretty sleazy to showcase a game (not even finished) from a defunct company. Knowing Tommy, he probably would have kept them profits for amico, since the dev was liquidated
(Pat and Ian hoping that maybe THIS time they'll get that month Amico free) Amico unboxing extravaganza! (Cue The Price is Right lose music)
Have you two seen the Amico unboxing video?! I was BLOWN AWAY. If you could stop hating on poor Tommy and his friends for even five seconds you would appreciate that the Amico box is the most fucking beautiful box ever conceived. Never before has a box been so square or so cardboardy. Glad to see that millions of dollars were put to good use.
Jaw dropping. A truly jaw dropping 📦.
Yeah, secretly this project was for you to buy a several hundred dollar box for your cat to play with and companies like Petco and PetSmart were being pitched to for distribution.
*WOW*
Keep in mind, this was recorded a few days ago, so they'll have seen it by now. We'll see what they have to say in full next week (and it'll be glorious, I'm sure).
Well,make sure to buy plenty of boxes during their bankruptcy proceedings. Maybe they'll throw in some branded stationary for free.
When the Amico saga finally dies it's death, I'd love your guys take on the somewhat related thing that will also never come out, star citizen. For now though thank you for continuing to brighten my day with this train wreck :)
I think they'd have to invent that good-hearted "right-hand man" for an Amico movie from whole cloth because, AFAICT, all of the executives seem to be totally onboard the scam train.
And then they had the gal to show off both of these games in some form during their latest video.
Oh, sorry, you thought they were having a "quiet period"? Haha, no, that's too hard for these guys. They needed to show that they're still alive. Barely.
Interesting how this video comes out after the unboxing. Intellivision lives in a fantasy world thinking a video will somehow make things better. Ship the consoles and deliver them Intellivision. Enough with the nonsense.
The funny thing is if you read between the lines in that unboxing video they pretty much state the software still isn't done ( the game is free since the store still isn't up an running) lol.
Sadly that was the breaking point for me to dislike the video ( was laughing that they turned off comments on the video) because I was curious what kind of parental controls they put in to make sure the child does not charge the parents card lol.
@@TheCommanderTaco I think they disabled the comments because they know the criticism they're going to get. Also I think they did the video to appease the investors.
@@TheCommanderTaco to be fair, what's the point of paying and maintaining servers if they aren't being used yet. If I had a company and I was trying to do the same thing, I'd cut costs by activating the server like 1 month before launch
@@TheCrazierz part of a reason to have them up early would be for maintenance reasoning. you want to make sure the store works as intended and dosen't give any issues ( R&D time which the company can't afford lol).
The other reason I can think like people have stated this video once again seems geared more towards investors, and if it wasn't it would have given people more light if they John had shown himself redeeming a "physical" copy of a game which can't be done without a running store and working encrypted URL ( which we all know how well they handle encryption based on their developer port site) lol.
@@TheCrazierz Well... if the software is working, they could just use an old laptop to run it. Paying for servers only becomes an issue after you have 10,000 consoles connecting in...
I feel like they dropped the “unboxing video” to delay people asking for their preorder money back.
It’s gonna be interesting.
Talk is that it was to fullfill terms for german grants to avoid ligitation.
@@lasskinn474 So much behind the scenes stuff. Heard the guy who is supposed to get $100/sold console is the father of the guy in charge of Intellivisin Dubai? Holy twists and turns! 😱
@@juicyfruit6311 well that would make some sense for why they had intellivision dubai in the first place
Wasted Studios stopped producing Intellivision games once that German grant money ran out. Once they had to rely tommy to fund them then it was Game Over.
I imagine that's pretty much what happened.
@@devilmikey00 Oh yeah. Tommy wasn't giving these devs any money. He was spending that 17 million on office spaces and giving his friends 6 figures salaries.
well Pretty much they have to pay back the German PPP loans so that means no money coming in or out and now their bankrupt and now the games are DOA.
@@TimmiiGamingChannel Yeah. The only last ditch effort tommy can make is porting whatever game that's finished to mobile and the big 3.
@@ezg2000 I mean They have 3 years to finish and polishing their games and they haven't and delay it a 4th time. Mainly due to the parts shortage or them fucking up with the manufactures that have the components and don't want to pay what at least 1.5 mil to them but lost that much money and wanted to get a nice paid profit and not doing anything and now their charging the customers more money so they can paid back the German Govt and Sudash loans too.
"You'll be gone, I'll be gone" -phrase i've heard in finance about getting bonuses for deals that are likely to fall apart in a few years
Tommy went to the flea market research centre by the docks.
The Slopes video was asking other UA-camrs if they thought these could be classified as games and opinions on packaging and delivery method. All of them disliked it
I had predicted the most damning revelations would only surface after the whole thing had collapsed and it seems to be happening. I wonder how much worse this'll get?
Have you looked into John Avacado's recent posts, thankfully collected into one image? It's kind of magical madness.
Women bashing, MRA praise, trans bashing, an "Unwoke" association, "Social Marxism", an anti-islamic post, any one of these would be worthy of a sidelong stare, but he's posted _all of that._
Simply ask Imgur for 52vSYON and prepare to cringe until your soul warps though the Stargate.
If the Dev was liquidated on July 2021, then there's a very good chance that the Amico team knew the Dev was going under during the E3 presentation on June 2021.
What games were they playing in their office demo vid? Doing "qa"?
So, where did the money from the German Government go? If it was to get these games done, then how did Wasted Games go under?
I imagine the grant was only for X total time.
@@vxicepickxv That makes sense.
It's not a blank cheque forever. There are almost certainly stipulations and at some point you have to reapply I imagine. It probably ran out and they were denied or didn't bother to reapply for more grant money and that was that.
I'm not familiar with German bankruptcy law, is it public record who bought the liquidated assets?
As always the CU podcast IS the number 1 source for Amico news! Keep up the great work guys
I don't understand how some people think that making a retro console with their own games and whatever is a good idea and profitable, when wouldn't it make more since to put together a digital collection on the current consoles and online?
Granted most of these are already available.
I mean the Atari Box, the Chamelion, and now this.
I think it's a pretty fun idea. Would I expect it to make money? Of course not... The digital collections have all been done many times now.
I know you're exhausted by this topic, but I'm loving every minute of it lol
Aside from Wasted Studios, who else was working on Amico games? I honestly have no idea.
Other Oceans and Choice Provision are the other German companies.
@@TimmiiGamingChannel Do we know what happened to them? Hopefully they’re still in business.
@@worldofretrogameplay6963 that I don't know they are indies companies what I can tell.
@@TimmiiGamingChannel Thank you for responding. Do you know which developer was working on Super Beakout for the Amico?
@@worldofretrogameplay6963 it was choice provisions that did the Breakout
This is the end.-Jim Morrison of The Doors.
I feel that "Toys In The Attic" by Aerosmith has some kind of relevance to this shit show situation here!
Except... I can't for the life of me tie it in to a witty comment right now!
(I mean, yep, Steven Tyler/Tallarico IS Tommy's cousin after all!) 🤔😉
✌🏼😊👍🏼
Impossible! They showed a box yesterday! A BOX FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
It sounds like Wasted Studios went out of business working for Intellivision. Lol!
You thought you could go a month without talking about the Amico? Not yet. Soon, though.. Quite soon. Soon, it'll be Intellivision Entertainment going bankrupt and the Amico officially canceled. Then, the updates will obvious die down. I still think that's coming before the end of April myself.
You're four yards from shore now.
If only it was possible to short Intellivision, we'd all be rich!
Hasn't this been going on for like 7 years now? Or am I thinking of another controversy
4 years. You're thinking of the Coleco Chameleon. Their bullshit blends into the bullshit of the Amico.
@@JohnKelly2 it's all coming back
@@Sir_Maximus_Hardwood It helps that a lot of the same people are doing the same crap.
Too bad they couldn't have done an intellivision mini and added features. Would have been a perfect way to celebrate a 4 decade old system
essentially those game boxes are nothing more than physical NFTs.
I’m crying, give me some extra napkins!
TIL choice provisions are also the devs behind the BIT.TRIP series. the original 6 titles are great retro-inspired games and you can see some of that same flair from their version of breakout
When Ian was talking about the CEOs obsession with the secret it just makes you think. He really should have read a book called the transparency or something. Gamers like to know everything about a console mystery frustrates us.
Can't wait until you break down the terrible unboxing video.
I had to ask twice, but they did send me a check for my refund.
You hope that the checks won't bounce.
I’m soooo glad I never pre-ordered this train wreck of a dumpster fire.
I don't see how they think it's so strange to release an unfinished game. It's very common now, only difference is that companies today want more money for you to download content to be able to finish the game. Deep down you bought them because they're gonna be worth money in 40 years.
The real question is though, is Tommy's weekly check in finished???
Your videos haven’t popped up on my feed for 1 weeks. I actually forgot about your channel until Fleamarket Sunday reminded me today. They use to go up on my feed all the time
next month: Intellivision Entertainment Goes Out of Business
NOBODY SAW THIS COMING!
I never really commented much on this because I doubt he intended the video to be portrayed the way it was, but I basically stopped watching Slope's Game Room with that Amico video. The part that peeved me was when after most of the guests he invited pointed out all the problems with using "NFTs" as fake physical game licenses, he immediately went to argue the opposite of them with no evidence, and then said that it "couldn't be done before" without NFTs so therefor using the NFTs was an acceptable solutions..
Not even going into the fact that doesn't solve the issues people are concerned about with digital games because.... well it doesn't, it also could have been done before. Even if the people he invited had pointed that out (I can't recall if they had or not), I feel it would have been best to have maybe asked some experts (and I mean software and networking experts, not "NFT experts") before covering the issue if he wasn't sure. Again I think this was just an issue of him going into a topic not fully informed and in turn giving his honest opinion without realizing how bad it would look, but it really rubbed me the wrong way, both in terms of being informed as a host but also in terms of considering his own guest's opinions.
I honestly don't trust Ibbertson (Slope's Game Room). His continued Amico support in spite of the evidence, particularly while claiming he's been critical of the system all along, has been highly dubious. More so when you consider that roughly half of his channels videos cover and call out various crowd funding scams. (Which gets into another issue, Ibbertson in particular refusing to acknowledge even the possibility that anything might by problematic about the whole Amico situation is probably enough to convince a number of less informed viewers that there is nothing to the various anti-Amico claims.)
When his Amico video drew negative comments, he was clearly annoyed.
When the Intellivision financial report story broke, Ibbertson's response was instead to complain about his commenters posting negative comments to his Amico videos, and that it might be the last we heard about it from him.
@@BainesMkII I haven't been following him since that initial video but thats all making me doubt him genuinely a bit more. I was dubious of him being so un-critical of a crowd funded project that many thought was a scam with his content being mostly "look at this crowd funded project that everyone thought was a scam it was such a scam" but at the time I felt more concerned about what was clearly off from what I was familiar with, that the NFT usage is clearly a farce. That he started to even go against clear evidence of at a minimum, issues with the Amico is certainly more concerning.
@@BainesMkII I never watched Slope's game room, but I did stop watching ReviewtechUSA b/c of him deciding to jump on the Amico bandwagon to "own" Pat and Ian. He platformed Tommy Tallerico giving him multiple interviews and praise. That was the final straw for me after I had felt there was a huge decline in the quality in his videos in the first place.
Wait, it COULDN'T be done before? There's such a thing as a digital code for a video game, and that's existed for a long time now. Just need to have a valid key and an account, voila! Also it can only be used once. I don't watch Slope's Game Room, but that was a really stupid thing for Ibbertson to say.
@@callak_9974 He was claiming that game sharing couldn't be done before because no one offers it so clearly you can't do it. Which... no, no one offers it because it makes absolutely no business sense, theres been patents for it for years from companies like Apple and Microsoft, and I doubt NFTs would offer anything genuinely more superior than the ecommerce platforms weve spent decades improving.
And in second place this week, down from the top spot is Ouya with their debut "Retro Emulation Media Centre"
Watching all the videos 2 years later.. it is time for a full length documentary. Ian and Pat, you should make it!
Jon taffer said it the best shut it down
I would love a Seeeaaallleeed Amico hand delivered by Frank
Pat and Ian got them scared
Open those games Pat, you could have variants!
my bad , meant to say "empty boxes".
No. Those sealed boxes can be worth a whopping $1 in 20 years. 😁
SEA-EL-DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just watched the unboxing video, and it seems like they said a lot of nothing in it. A whole minute was wasted on the language feature b/c this is the European model they are showing off and of course they have to mention that Italian is the second language b/c "It's Tommy's favorite!" And as far as the games go, they only show off four. I'm gonna stop talking about it, b/c I'm sure you guys will have much more to say about it next week, but they did turn off the comments for the Unboxing video lol
Oh, it's more than nothing. It's net negative. Machine translated languages, box & product are all beat to hell, hand cut manual missing languages, US plug in EU box, EAN missing, no certs on anything?
@@XanthinZarda I cant wait for the podcast this week to talk about how dumb this stunt for Intellivision was lol
Night Stalker has been lost to the ether. No updates from Other Ocean or Mike Mika has me wondering if they saw the writing on the wall and stopped production.
Night Stalker and Cloudy Mountain have not been worked on since 2019, according to sources and evidence.
@@PatTheNESpunk Not surprising then. Night Stalker was the one title that made me preorder day 1 because I love Mikes studios (and the original title). Luckily I got my $100 back last year when shit really started hitting the fan. Took over a month to get it back (with very little communication) so I'm hopeful the folks you mentioned that are still waiting can get theirs back.
I got my preorder money back with one email just 2 weeks ago
What's up with the unboxing video they did yesterday for the Amico?
So there's this fellow, "Stop Drop & Retro". This is the "Screw You" update. Where they puppet whatever they've got to rub it into your face that they've taken your money. As was the case of the Aido social robot.
Blatant scam
He’s absolutely the Tommy Wiseau of video games.
At least Tommy used his own money
Their controller looks like Zune...
But what does this mean for Earthworm Jim 4??
That companies twitter says in Jan they were working on a Snow game. So are they really gone.
January 2021
Is 180 good price for a psx, ps2, ps3 and original xbox w 15 games?
If they work it's a steal.
Yes
Depending on the games and condition.
Not really. If I was selling these, I’d happily take $180. Takes up too much space
@@themadchallenger5490 The fuck are you talking about, a trashed but working PS2 goes for $80 alone.
Any chance Amico will get a TAPEWORM TOMMY game?
13:19 this seems to be the idea that I get too. Tommy seemed genuine to me but it appears along the way he realised how hard all this is and things got out of hand. Console development is not easy and there are way more failures than successes for a reason.
That's entirely possible. I often liken it to the Theranos saga. Like Theranos, I think the Amico likely had honest, although perhaps a bit high-minded aspirations. When didn't go according to plan they opted to push out a more cheerful narrative of the state of affairs rather than to throw in the towel.
@@malkneil they could have shifted to a service along the way
for the record i remember SLOPES comparing the amico to the SEGA PICO it upset me because the PICO actually came out and it was actually educational and fun for my younger brother and I even got involved in trying to find more games for it (which became difficult) this amico just tainted the gaming world.
Geezus. I bought the Pico for my niece and I ended up using the thing myself. I babysat her and I played it while she was sleeping. The Amico isn't even released. Slopes made a bad comparison.
Slope was very transparent about his videos of the Amico. He said no one from IE was paying him, and the only investment he has in the Amico console is a pre-order. That’s it. I doubt Slope is ignoring everything surrounding the Amico right now. I suspect he will have a ‘scammer’ video posted on his channel, once the dust settles.
The saddest thing about this Amico failure is that a good amount of people will lose their jobs.
Loren Ipsum is standard placeholder text for graph designers, and programmers probably use it, too. I'm guessing they threw on the Starfox text when they weren't getting paid. It was a test to see if the Amico team would catch it.
It's the perfect f-u!
I'll be WAITING for the AMICO Documentary in the coming months / years 😉
Send the physical products to WATA to be graded. 😆
This time next year i bet there "Physical" games go for pennies 🤣
At least this is one L Scalpers well have to take. Seriously there's some one right now with boxes of these things that might as well be toilet paper. I'll pay 20 bucks right for all 8. I don't collect for money but memories and this is a big one.
I do think you buying those trinkets make sense as you report on this. The way this company is going and the fans you know in 5 - 10 years you will likely have to deal with Tommy Gaslighting the situation and having the phyical product as the recipe of his failure to utterly shut that down as well as some peace of mind you have a smoking gun of proof.
Legit of people that have bought them you should not feel dirty no one likely has more usefulness for them than anyone else on the planet. I do hope for your well being of being able to talk about other things that the company closes and we dont have the onion of bad like activision.
Bing Bang Boop Bop Boy-oy-oy-oing cuckoo Amico!! 👾
Wasted Studios said that you guys were wrong and that they are still in business making games for the Amico. So what happened?
Pat & Ian were actually latecomers in breaking this news. It was day old news by the time these 2 got to it.
I do have some questions (which I posted on another thread)
1) Prior to tweet regarding this news, the last post was from January 2021. Well over 1 year ago. Would they update the status of the games? Why the long time between posts?
2) They say they are still working on games for Intellivision. Now, does that include Amico games or does that mean mobile and other consoles.
Given with what's been going on with the Amico and that John Alvarado unboxing, it is fair to be skeptical about anything Amico related.
Once again, Pat and Ian were latecomers in this news. Did they get the wrong info? Maybe. Let's see how things play out.
I hear tale of a treasure map with the coordinance to a buried treasure encoded in them thar nongames!
As surely as Johnny Turbo kisses Tony on the mouth, this system is never coming out.
Look Pat, that "game journalist" is in love. Do you understand? LOVE. LEAVE THE MAN ALONE!!!! LOVE WILL PREVAIL!!!
Here's to the memories of things that never actually happened...
Tommy himself will file a lawsuit against Intellivision for not launching console he wanted them to make.