This is a pretty minor detail, but the SMG has a collapsible stock, not a folding stock. A folding stock folds either underneath or to the side whereas a collapsible stock is adjustable in length. The best comparison functionally is probably those old lightsaber toys.
Late night gaming, how would you feel about doing behind the scenes video for when your making evolution videos? The process seems interesting. Love your work, keep it up 👍👍👍
one niche I feel the odst smg excels at is against drones as its one of few options for reliable hitscan(ish) weapons that can take care of such agile enemies the carbine isn't always available, the AR lacks the same precision and firerate to reliably hit, and the pistols damage is so low you have to go for headshots, which is really hard on drones so naturally, the smg is a great counter and has saved me many a bugger-filled firefight round
Yes, when I’m playing ODST firefight and a drone swarm spawns I always head for the nearest gun rack with an smg. By far one of the most reliable guns for drones.
@@l0u13__3 In Firefight on legendary the brute shot is actually still pretty rare, and there is no guarantee you'll get a brute wave before a drone wave. The SMG may be hot garbage on everything else but the nice thing is the racks are always there as a panic option for drones.
The sound dampener in Halo 5 silences and hides your position on the radar but it ALSO increases your effective range. It's basically the long barrel and silencer in one, which is why it's a higher level req compared to the silencer and long barrel. Really good for stealth in late game when you need range in warzone.
@@2010ngojo I think that's the whole point of the dampener, you get the silencer perks with out the reduced range. Just a gameplay mechanic and it's really obscure so I'm not surprised that no one knows about it. Just like how the kinetic bolts do extra damage to players lol
@@2010ngojo traditionally speaking, yes. There is modern suppressors that don't sacrifice bullet range but the trade off is a longer profile and much heavier than a standard suppressor. More often than not though it's your typical aluminum baffling or whatnot.
@@2010ngojo In real life, sound suppressors tend to increase muzzle velocity because they increase barrel length. The only time it would decrease bullet velocity is if the user opted to use subsonic ammunition (ammunition that does not break the sound barrier, and thus is more quiet). For the most part, sound suppressors reducing range or muzzle velocity is a myth embedded in many people now as a result of game developers just trying to balance the attachment. It would make much more sense to reduce the weapon’s mobility stats because it makes the weapon longer and heavier. While I’m at it, “silencer” is a word invented in Hollywood, they’re called sound suppressors in real life.
Two minor notes, some suppressors can actually reduce muzzle velocity, by using rubber wipes, which the bullet passes through. Also, some baffle designs can have a similar effect, due to leeching the gasses. Finally, in the original patents, it’s actually referred to as a silencer. So via technicality, both are correct.
Ever since ODST, I've always thought that the SMG should always have been Supressed. that way it creates and fills a new role in the sandbox. A stealth weapon.
@ratkeep idk it definitely feels like it does. I've been doing a Legendary "realistic skull" run, and the suppressed pistol kills in one shot, and usually the covenant has no idea where I am, whereas if I use the snipers EVERYONE looks at me. Idk if it's positioning or what bc I don't think it is hard coded to have a shorter range.
The ODST SMG is a jack of all trades, except against buggers. That thing tears them up and is a life saver on harder difficulties. Still, I'd be lying if I were to say that aesthetics weren't the main reason I hold on to it.
@@SerathDarklands I think its were you grab an smg that is scripted to keep firing at anything, pitting it as your secondary and then just dual wielding.
I mean it is a yt channel accessable world wide. And people in Australia play Halo a lot which is nearly opposite of U.S in most cases. So it is always uploaded late at night due to how popular English is.
We all know that tune that LNG starts playing when the video is coming to an end. Life hack: Any time you're at a social gathering that you are ready to leave, just start playing that song out loud and no one will question you leaving or try to pressure you into staying a little bit longer.
Eh not to bad a comment better than the cringey and obviously untrue "babe wake up >insert name< just uploaded" that really makes me almost throw up lol it's funny till you realize how sad that person must be
@@austinhinton3944 one callback I did like was how the lightrifle performed like the halo 2 beta battle rifle, being burst when hip firing and single shot while scoping in
@@exoticbutters4212 I wonder why they did end up changing that to 3-round burst? Not that I'm complaining or anything. I'm interested to see this new burst plasma weapon in H.I.
4:54 what I recently discovered, which i find rather interesting, is that the SMG is more accurate, and has a faster time to kill than the assault rifle does. The SMG excels over the assault rifle in almost every way, yet... It's... Redundant, and left unnoticed within the sandbox.
You're almost out of weapons, and I think for the future maybe you could do the evolution of halo vehicles? Not at all at once, I.E evolution of Halo's Warthog? Really like those videos, they're weirdly fascinating.
11:08 okay, the stock collapsing for duel wield is pretty nice. I was thinking either that or sincea spartan doesn't need the stock the pick up animation is them grabbing it and pushing the stock closed
There's only a few standout tools left that have been found across a few generations of Halo games to cover next. The Rocket Launcher, Covenant Carbine, Fuel Rod Gun, the Frag and Plasma Grenades, and the Beam Rifle.
This is my favorite weapon in Halo. Halo 3’s Dual Wield SMG’a first person view is so iconic looking and don’t even get me started on the Master Chief posing with them in H2. So nostalgic for me.
I just completed a run of ODST where I purposefully only used UNSC weapons for the whole campaign, and I gotta say, it gave me a new appreciation of the smg in that it was the best choice a lot of the time when you weren't near a weapons cache in Mombasa Streets or needed something with a bit of range. I even chose it sometimes over more powerful weapons because some spots of the game had opportunities to get new UNSC weapons placed few and far between on the map, and the smg had a reliably large ammo pool as long as it was used wisely. I definitely learned to use it as a medium/long range weapon more than I ever had before.
I love also how the Halo 2 Anniversary multiplayer SMG also collapses it’s stock when you dual wield it. Making it easier to handle for the Spartan. Cool detail.
I've always hated that the silenced SMG in ODST didn't actually have a functionality. Its almost certainly due to the constraints that game was made under, but it would have been so fun to sneak around New Mombasa picking off grunt patrols and trying to stay off the radar.
This was a very interesting video, which gave me more of an appreciation for this weapon than before. It kinda makes me want an “evolution of Halo’s forgotten weapons” which covers weapons that showed up in one or 2 games and were never seen again. Weapons like the mauler, bruteshot and plasma launcher would be really interesting to hear more about
As much as I love the dual wield feature in Halo 2 and Halo 3, it is very true that it's pretty limiting in what the player can do. Not being able to enter vehicles, throw grenades, melee, or use equipment while holding a second weapon is annoying, and it does drastically reduce your options for play style. That said, I don't agree that the SMG is redundant or hasn't got a place in the sandbox in Halo 3. I found myself using the SMG more in Halo 3 than I did in Halo 2, really. I know the intention of adding the SMG to Halo 2 was to separate the role of the Halo 1 assault rifle into two weapons, one being a high fire rate, low damage, close range gun with a large ammunition capacity, and the other being a medium range, medium damage, higher accuracy weapon with a moderate rate of fire. Obviously the assault rifle in Halo 3 ostensibly fills that role better but I just always felt for some reason as if the assault rifle was somewhat underpowered and not that intuitive to use. I prefer the SMG in Halo 3 for close range hectic engagements when I need something with a lot of bullets that shoots fast.
I think a video on the evolution of plasma and frag grenades would be really interesting, especially since they appear in every game iirc Also evolution of the flashlight when
Really wanting to see an evolution of the carbine! Though, this may be something more suited for the future when we get to see more of the “Pulse Carbine” and its performance in game. Solid video as usual!
"Snappy" is a great way to describe all of the SMG animations. I have an unexplainable love for the SMG and its animations have always been my favorites since Halo 2, I just have a ton of fun running around with it even when it might not be the most effective choice. When someone says "Submachine Gun", it's always the first thing I think of. Hopefully it'll have a place in the Halo: Infinite sandbox.
I might do some reviews of halo games and might use these clips and snippets on these weapon videos because of how well you explain some of these points Great video as always however and I wish you good luck
Not gonna lie the odst style of the SMG has always been my favorite gun possibly ever as I tend to try and find ways to mod it into other games that I'm playing like fallout 4 and others
Rad! Love the halo smg! It's compact and really slick! That caseless magazine is also super cool! Loved the suppressed smg and the halo 2 anniversary version feels super cool to use! The sound and model make it feel snazzy and more lethal. Great stuff! 😎👍🏻
The original smg models(especially the h2 anniversary model) take a noticeable amount of design cues from the MP7 from the slanted, blocky handguard, the integral folding foregrip and in the anniversary there's even the MP7s ambi charging handle at the back of the reciever, whereas the the halo 5 model is like a hybrid of the MP7 and the P90. Ironic considering those guns contended against each other for military contracts in the 90s
I just realized it didn't leave casings. That makes the silenced smg even cooler now. No muzzle flash, minimized sound, and you don't leave behind any evidence. No wonder the ODSTs used it.
The Halo 3 ODST Silenced SMG sits right alongside the Halo 2 multiplayer SMG in terms of memories for me. They both fulfill distinct roles in their respective sandboxes very well while still being unrecognizably the same gun
I don’t see why dual wielding was such an issue gameplay-wise. You sacrifice important mechanics for creative combinations that could better solve the issue at hand, like tricky one on one fights or vehicle combat
I really don't understand why they don't bring back dual wielding in campaign, it was fun. Give a more balanced single version for the sweat lords of multi, but give us back the fun mechanics in solo...
15:34 Minor correction: The sound dampener suppresses your weapon's sound AND increases your range. It is a combination of the suppressor and long barrel at cost of not being able to mix and match your sight and at a higher req cost.
The one aspect of this critique I disagree with entirely is the SMG in 3. In close range it outstrips the AR in 1 hand but outside of close range the AR does better.
ive actually always loved the SMG and I would take it over an AR in Halo 3 any day of the week. The H5 version of the SMG is my fav. its just a very satisfying gun to use.
I loved the SMG, both the look and feel of the weapon still hold a special place in my heart. But it really showed off one of the worst features of Halo 2 that continues in Halo games to this day: the ammo cap is pitiful. To go from ten mags of AR ammo in CE to 3 mags of SMG ammo in 2 was a pain, and it's never gotten better. Too many weapons do not allow you to carry enough backup ammunition to make them worthwhile to even consider picking up. The only real solution in most cases was the triple-wield trick in Halo 2 and 3, but that carried with it the problem of effectively only having a single weapon on top of the lack of melee and grenades and you STILL had less ammo than in CE. In many cases, it's only gotten worse in Halo 4 and 5. I'm sure that it's a not-so-subtle way of forcing the it's player to constantly switch weapons and explore the sandbox, but I hated it, and I still hate it.
i grew up as a kid blissfully unaware of most of halo beyond halo 1, and the halo 2 E3 demo. I remember seeing it and hearing it for the first time, and its shooting sound immediately made me coin the term “popcorn gun”.
Thanks to the fact that a few years ago the Halo games I played the most were Reach and ODST, so now every time I hear the SMG from any other Halo game it catches me off guard a lot of the time.
I’m actually a huge fan of Halo 5’s SMG model. I’m 18 now, but I was 12 when Halo 5 released and I would always hold my Xbox controller like the SMG and pretend I was doing the Halo 5 reload. I prefer the classic Halo titles and have a lot of nostalgia for them but I ALSO have a decent amount of nostalgia for Halo 4 and 5, and I feel good when I play them nowadays.
16:33 I wonder if 343 would consider giving the brutes in halo 3’s campaign the red plasma rifles since its a re skin with no modifiers. It’d be cool to see the elites with blue and brutes with red in Halo 3.
I love using this gun every time I play floodgate on legendary because of how much fun it is to rip and tare through flood. It’s also fun to combine with the plasma rifle and mauler. Hence why it’s my personal favorite incarnation of the weapon besides the ODST smg
ODST’s version is probably my favourite, since it felt more useful in the campaign than in either Halo 2 or 3. As for the SMG itself, I’ve always been a bit mixed towards it, as I feel like it’s addition alongside dual-wielding, ruined the plasma rifle in order to put the latter in the same category as the former. In Halo 2’s multiplayer, it was basically the newb weapon of choice, especially dual-wielded, until you could find a BR or carbine. Properly wielded, it could also hold off shotgun and sword-wielders.
When I played 2 when I was four years old I loved dual wielding smg’s and when anniversary came out I loved how cool the model was and how loud and aggressive it was. I think the re-imagining of it visually was cool! Not my favorite though, that damn ODST smg is way too iconic.
Dude yeah! It was originally planned to be a little dlc! I remember reading the Game Informer with the halo 3 recon cover back in the day! Good times! 👍🏻
I always used 2 smgs over assault rifles in close combat in halo 3. Way better at just melting through enemies in front of you. The assault rifle IMO was the jack of all trades for me, with it functioning in close to mid range
Halo 3's SMG I find to be tolerable used on its own, maybe a bit of a meme weapon but I don't find it any worse than the AR for burst+beatdown or for shooting at the Banshee on Valhalla because your team (never you, obviously) failed to secure the laser and the hog/ missile pod is on cooldown. What does really affect it in H3 is that dual wielding got nerfed. It's easiest to see with Magnums, but you only get 75% damage output while dual wielding, 5 shots with a single magnum vs 8 with paired. This combined with never being able to holster both your SMGs (or other) probably contributed to them being ignored so heavily. Granted, spike damage from the Shotgun, Sword and Hammer would be compelling anyway (hell even the brute shot and that's in a terrible state in H3 too) but being unable to quickly transition to and from your mandatory BR/Carbine and hypothetical twin SMGs really does not help. Taxed damage and not being able to carry them easily, no thank you.
This is a pretty minor detail, but the SMG has a collapsible stock, not a folding stock. A folding stock folds either underneath or to the side whereas a collapsible stock is adjustable in length. The best comparison functionally is probably those old lightsaber toys.
Thanks for the correction!!
@@LateNightHalo when's evolution of the warthog?
True, basically compare an MP5 collapsible stock to a UMP folding stock
Was about to make this comment
Late night gaming, how would you feel about doing behind the scenes video for when your making evolution videos? The process seems interesting. Love your work, keep it up 👍👍👍
one niche I feel the odst smg excels at is against drones as its one of few options for reliable hitscan(ish) weapons that can take care of such agile enemies
the carbine isn't always available, the AR lacks the same precision and firerate to reliably hit, and the pistols damage is so low you have to go for headshots, which is really hard on drones
so naturally, the smg is a great counter and has saved me many a bugger-filled firefight round
Yes, when I’m playing ODST firefight and a drone swarm spawns I always head for the nearest gun rack with an smg. By far one of the most reliable guns for drones.
I always thought that the brute shot was good against drones
@@l0u13__3 if you can land your shots then yeah, but the SMG is just more reliable as it is easier to use
@@l0u13__3 In Firefight on legendary the brute shot is actually still pretty rare, and there is no guarantee you'll get a brute wave before a drone wave. The SMG may be hot garbage on everything else but the nice thing is the racks are always there as a panic option for drones.
Great to see ya jocat.
The sound dampener in Halo 5 silences and hides your position on the radar but it ALSO increases your effective range. It's basically the long barrel and silencer in one, which is why it's a higher level req compared to the silencer and long barrel. Really good for stealth in late game when you need range in warzone.
You would thinks the reduce muzzle velocity means shorter range, thus balancing out the weapon. Unless I misunderstanding how suppressors work.
@@2010ngojo I think that's the whole point of the dampener, you get the silencer perks with out the reduced range. Just a gameplay mechanic and it's really obscure so I'm not surprised that no one knows about it. Just like how the kinetic bolts do extra damage to players lol
@@2010ngojo traditionally speaking, yes. There is modern suppressors that don't sacrifice bullet range but the trade off is a longer profile and much heavier than a standard suppressor. More often than not though it's your typical aluminum baffling or whatnot.
@@2010ngojo In real life, sound suppressors tend to increase muzzle velocity because they increase barrel length. The only time it would decrease bullet velocity is if the user opted to use subsonic ammunition (ammunition that does not break the sound barrier, and thus is more quiet). For the most part, sound suppressors reducing range or muzzle velocity is a myth embedded in many people now as a result of game developers just trying to balance the attachment. It would make much more sense to reduce the weapon’s mobility stats because it makes the weapon longer and heavier. While I’m at it, “silencer” is a word invented in Hollywood, they’re called sound suppressors in real life.
Two minor notes, some suppressors can actually reduce muzzle velocity, by using rubber wipes, which the bullet passes through. Also, some baffle designs can have a similar effect, due to leeching the gasses. Finally, in the original patents, it’s actually referred to as a silencer. So via technicality, both are correct.
Ever since ODST, I've always thought that the SMG should always have been Supressed. that way it creates and fills a new role in the sandbox. A stealth weapon.
i love the odst smg, it’s a shame the suppressor does nothing gameplay-wise
I like the idea it’s like Turok’s SMG and can either have no silencer or enable the silencer for stealth capabilities
@ratkeep idk it definitely feels like it does. I've been doing a Legendary "realistic skull" run, and the suppressed pistol kills in one shot, and usually the covenant has no idea where I am, whereas if I use the snipers EVERYONE looks at me. Idk if it's positioning or what bc I don't think it is hard coded to have a shorter range.
The ODST SMG is a jack of all trades, except against buggers. That thing tears them up and is a life saver on harder difficulties. Still, I'd be lying if I were to say that aesthetics weren't the main reason I hold on to it.
I liked to combine it with the plasma rifle for a good short range killer in halo 2 and 3. though for dual wielding i prefer dual maulers.
Pistol or carbine is great against buggers as well, as they don't have shields, besides one or two.
Yeah, when i see the buggers mi minds go:
"All right, time to get the bug killer out" *pulls out smg&
Me: Oh boy it’s getting late, I need to get to sleep.
Late Night Gaming: May interest you a Halo weapon evolution video?
Me: Sounds good to me.
Wouldn't be Late Night if it weren't late at night.
@@rd_ctrlr5311 *laugh track starts playing*
Am I the only one who watches videos at 3 am because I have insomnia and can't sleep?
@@GrosvnerMcaffreyNo, not at all
Triple wielding was one of my favorite parts of halo 2
Triple what now?
Either a mod a meme or the actual triple wielding glitch
@@seanjohnson5706 I've never heard of a triple-wielding glitch, hence my confusion.
@@SerathDarklands I think its were you grab an smg that is scripted to keep firing at anything, pitting it as your secondary and then just dual wielding.
@@SerathDarklands I think he's referring to when mcc was first put on Xbox you know that shit launch
Evolution of the Covenant Carbine next? I feel as though it’s really under-appreciated.
I miss the reciprocating barrel :(
My favorite weapon in all of Halo. Not really sure why.
It's like an alien M1 Garand
Yeah especially because the battle rifle is better in almost every single way
What about it’s replacement in Reach, the Needler Rifle, is that considered any good?
Late Night Gaming? More like Late Night Uploading LOL
Facts! Lol didn’t realize when this was uploaded great vid for late night watching ;D
He’s literally perfect for watching at night
Really later tonight with some wedges perfect
I mean it is a yt channel accessable world wide. And people in Australia play Halo a lot which is nearly opposite of U.S in most cases. So it is always uploaded late at night due to how popular English is.
We all know that tune that LNG starts playing when the video is coming to an end.
Life hack: Any time you're at a social gathering that you are ready to leave, just start playing that song out loud and no one will question you leaving or try to pressure you into staying a little bit longer.
The detail of the stock sliding forward when you pick up the dual wield in H2A MP Is an amazing detail
This attention to detail was in the original Halo 2 as well, an interesting thing to know
"Man, I gotta get to bed."
LNG: Uploads
"Oh, so that's how it is."
“Sleep has been good to me, it’s time to ignore the favor”.
Eh not to bad a comment better than the cringey and obviously untrue "babe wake up >insert name< just uploaded" that really makes me almost throw up lol it's funny till you realize how sad that person must be
@@AntiJewluminatiDwarf You should get out more often
That moment you're too early for HD
yeah i think I'm gonna wait this one out
Wait we gotta wait for 720p?
Don’t like it, it’s at 144
I honestly like the H5 Smg, it is so rich with details and packs some punch. Would be unbeatable if dual wielded.
you know your early when the video is only in 360p
Fax
tru tru
It's still 360 for me
hrnngggggg
Yeah I might save this for the morning simply because of that.
But i'm watching this on the Xbox 360!
I thought this video was released several years ago, the consistency of quality and tone really hugs my brains sense of time
SMG has had an interesting journey in Halo. Trying to be unique enough to fit a roll and avoiding redundancy.
Late Night Gaming? More like Late Night Reshade.
Love me some overly dramatic shots🔥
God, your Spartan has some real nearsightedness
@Snowstorm918 ‘twas a joke
Chief left his prescription helmet in the armory on Cairo.
The og halo 2 smg sounds like a BB gun, whereas the h2a one sounds like it has more powerful bullets and has a kick to it
In Halo 4, I feel like the Suppressor was Supposed to be a reboot of the smg
A lot of the Promethean weapons are sub-par ‘stand ins’ for previous weapons.
@@austinhinton3944 one callback I did like was how the lightrifle performed like the halo 2 beta battle rifle, being burst when hip firing and single shot while scoping in
@@exoticbutters4212 I wonder why they did end up changing that to 3-round burst? Not that I'm complaining or anything. I'm interested to see this new burst plasma weapon in H.I.
It is! It's a forerunner smg
I thought the SAW was the new SMG. :o
late night gaming really living up to his name . (it’s 1AM here Lol)
Midnight here lol
4:54 what I recently discovered, which i find rather interesting, is that the SMG is more accurate, and has a faster time to kill than the assault rifle does. The SMG excels over the assault rifle in almost every way, yet... It's... Redundant, and left unnoticed within the sandbox.
You're almost out of weapons, and I think for the future maybe you could do the evolution of halo vehicles? Not at all at once, I.E evolution of Halo's Warthog?
Really like those videos, they're weirdly fascinating.
11:08 okay, the stock collapsing for duel wield is pretty nice. I was thinking either that or sincea spartan doesn't need the stock the pick up animation is them grabbing it and pushing the stock closed
The Silenced SMG just feels different
I really wanna see the suppressed M7 come back for Halo Infinite in future seasons.
There's only a few standout tools left that have been found across a few generations of Halo games to cover next. The Rocket Launcher, Covenant Carbine, Fuel Rod Gun, the Frag and Plasma Grenades, and the Beam Rifle.
11:06 the stock actually retracts when you duel wield that is some impressive attention to detail.
This is my favorite weapon in Halo. Halo 3’s Dual Wield SMG’a first person view is so iconic looking and don’t even get me started on the Master Chief posing with them in H2. So nostalgic for me.
I just completed a run of ODST where I purposefully only used UNSC weapons for the whole campaign, and I gotta say, it gave me a new appreciation of the smg in that it was the best choice a lot of the time when you weren't near a weapons cache in Mombasa Streets or needed something with a bit of range. I even chose it sometimes over more powerful weapons because some spots of the game had opportunities to get new UNSC weapons placed few and far between on the map, and the smg had a reliably large ammo pool as long as it was used wisely. I definitely learned to use it as a medium/long range weapon more than I ever had before.
Man, the Tommy sounds are pretty damn sick though!
The firing sound for Halo 3's SMG made it seem more powerful than it really was. Overselling it for sure, but I do love how "metal" it sounds.
Late Night Gaming can make anything about a simple gun in a game so interesting
13:00 - "On the rare occasion I need to play Halo 5 for a video"
Me: GOTTEM.
Notice the stock collapse when you start dual-wielding @ 11:06 . Neat detail
H2A campaign smg grew on me pretty quickly. It's different enough that it almost comes full circle to being cool to look at
Took me 20 years but thanks to you I now know it’s caseless and has the side mag. Just stuff I never noticed
I never noticed the fingers actually pulling the triggers in H2A multiplayer, that’s awesome
I love also how the Halo 2 Anniversary multiplayer SMG also collapses it’s stock when you dual wield it. Making it easier to handle for the Spartan. Cool detail.
I do believe that the H2A campaign versions of the SMG, and shotgun are my favorite models of these weapons to date.
When halo infinite drops this series is going to explode. Each video is gona have a min of 1million views each
I've always hated that the silenced SMG in ODST didn't actually have a functionality. Its almost certainly due to the constraints that game was made under, but it would have been so fun to sneak around New Mombasa picking off grunt patrols and trying to stay off the radar.
This was a very interesting video, which gave me more of an appreciation for this weapon than before. It kinda makes me want an “evolution of Halo’s forgotten weapons” which covers weapons that showed up in one or 2 games and were never seen again. Weapons like the mauler, bruteshot and plasma launcher would be really interesting to hear more about
when u so early the video look like it was made on an old potato
As much as I love the dual wield feature in Halo 2 and Halo 3, it is very true that it's pretty limiting in what the player can do. Not being able to enter vehicles, throw grenades, melee, or use equipment while holding a second weapon is annoying, and it does drastically reduce your options for play style.
That said, I don't agree that the SMG is redundant or hasn't got a place in the sandbox in Halo 3. I found myself using the SMG more in Halo 3 than I did in Halo 2, really. I know the intention of adding the SMG to Halo 2 was to separate the role of the Halo 1 assault rifle into two weapons, one being a high fire rate, low damage, close range gun with a large ammunition capacity, and the other being a medium range, medium damage, higher accuracy weapon with a moderate rate of fire. Obviously the assault rifle in Halo 3 ostensibly fills that role better but I just always felt for some reason as if the assault rifle was somewhat underpowered and not that intuitive to use. I prefer the SMG in Halo 3 for close range hectic engagements when I need something with a lot of bullets that shoots fast.
I think a video on the evolution of plasma and frag grenades would be really interesting, especially since they appear in every game iirc
Also evolution of the flashlight when
I love these evolution videos, especially because they help me pay more attention to the behavior of the weapons in multiplayer gameplay.
Bro we here so early the man's got 2009-tier video quality lookin' ass.
I'm such a sucker for the ODST SMG
I really hope it comes back in Infinite
Really wanting to see an evolution of the carbine! Though, this may be something more suited for the future when we get to see more of the “Pulse Carbine” and its performance in game. Solid video as usual!
"Snappy" is a great way to describe all of the SMG animations. I have an unexplainable love for the SMG and its animations have always been my favorites since Halo 2, I just have a ton of fun running around with it even when it might not be the most effective choice. When someone says "Submachine Gun", it's always the first thing I think of. Hopefully it'll have a place in the Halo: Infinite sandbox.
I actually really like the h2 anniversary campaign smg model, however I will admit that the non foldable stock does bother me
I might do some reviews of halo games and might use these clips and snippets on these weapon videos because of how well you explain some of these points
Great video as always however and I wish you good luck
3:20 Thank you for playing that beautiful music from H3. ❤ Really brings this video to life...
Not gonna lie the odst style of the SMG has always been my favorite gun possibly ever as I tend to try and find ways to mod it into other games that I'm playing like fallout 4 and others
Man for some reason seeing the halo 5 section brought me all the way back to a little bit of nostalgia for the halo 5 hype period...
Rad! Love the halo smg! It's compact and really slick! That caseless magazine is also super cool! Loved the suppressed smg and the halo 2 anniversary version feels super cool to use! The sound and model make it feel snazzy and more lethal. Great stuff! 😎👍🏻
The original smg models(especially the h2 anniversary model) take a noticeable amount of design cues from the MP7 from the slanted, blocky handguard, the integral folding foregrip and in the anniversary there's even the MP7s ambi charging handle at the back of the reciever, whereas the the halo 5 model is like a hybrid of the MP7 and the P90. Ironic considering those guns contended against each other for military contracts in the 90s
I often tried to dual wield the SMG with the Plasma Rifle in the Halo 2 Slayer, but because I'm a noob, it usually got me killed.
Every single one of these vids, as soon as it hits 343 era the design and implementation just falls off a cliff so hard
I just watched all the other videos in this series like 2 days ago lol, glad to add another one
I just realized it didn't leave casings. That makes the silenced smg even cooler now. No muzzle flash, minimized sound, and you don't leave behind any evidence. No wonder the ODSTs used it.
The stock is retracted when dual-wielding and extended when used solo. It is especially visible at 11:06
11:51 "The future, is uncertain. Nobody really knows what lies around the corner. But there's never any harm, in being well prepared."
“An odd looking weapon, With some equally unusual traits”
i really wish that marines in halo 3 can use the ODST weapons that were added same with the brutes with the brute plasma rifle
Late Night Gaming video posted late at night? Let’s gooo
lol
H2A multiplayer SMG is beautiful. Not sure why it's not in the campaign :(
The Halo 3 ODST Silenced SMG sits right alongside the Halo 2 multiplayer SMG in terms of memories for me. They both fulfill distinct roles in their respective sandboxes very well while still being unrecognizably the same gun
I love that the Halo 2A sound effect is from a thompson smg good ole tommy gun
never noticed until now that the H5 SMG is not Caseless.
I don’t see why dual wielding was such an issue gameplay-wise. You sacrifice important mechanics for creative combinations that could better solve the issue at hand, like tricky one on one fights or vehicle combat
I really don't understand why they don't bring back dual wielding in campaign, it was fun.
Give a more balanced single version for the sweat lords of multi, but give us back the fun mechanics in solo...
the bayanet from 5 is so broken but i still loved it
15:34 Minor correction: The sound dampener suppresses your weapon's sound AND increases your range. It is a combination of the suppressor and long barrel at cost of not being able to mix and match your sight and at a higher req cost.
This is the gun that got me interested in the design of fictional firearms design.
The one aspect of this critique I disagree with entirely is the SMG in 3. In close range it outstrips the AR in 1 hand but outside of close range the AR does better.
That’s what I was thinking. The SMG absolutely shreds enemies up close in Halo 3.
ive actually always loved the SMG and I would take it over an AR in Halo 3 any day of the week. The H5 version of the SMG is my fav. its just a very satisfying gun to use.
the Halo 2 incresed FOV reload is BEAUTIFUL, don't know how I never realized the mag just zips back into Chief's hand.
Another minor detail about the Suppressed SMG for H2A was that its stock collapses when you dual wield.
Oh thats cool
I loved the SMG, both the look and feel of the weapon still hold a special place in my heart. But it really showed off one of the worst features of Halo 2 that continues in Halo games to this day: the ammo cap is pitiful. To go from ten mags of AR ammo in CE to 3 mags of SMG ammo in 2 was a pain, and it's never gotten better. Too many weapons do not allow you to carry enough backup ammunition to make them worthwhile to even consider picking up. The only real solution in most cases was the triple-wield trick in Halo 2 and 3, but that carried with it the problem of effectively only having a single weapon on top of the lack of melee and grenades and you STILL had less ammo than in CE. In many cases, it's only gotten worse in Halo 4 and 5. I'm sure that it's a not-so-subtle way of forcing the it's player to constantly switch weapons and explore the sandbox, but I hated it, and I still hate it.
I agree. Hopefully infinite will fix the ammo problem 4 & 5 had
11:06 Look at the SMG on the right when you pick up the other one. The stock retracts back into the gun because it isn't being used. That's so cool!
i grew up as a kid blissfully unaware of most of halo beyond halo 1, and the halo 2 E3 demo. I remember seeing it and hearing it for the first time, and its shooting sound immediately made me coin the term “popcorn gun”.
Thanks to the fact that a few years ago the Halo games I played the most were Reach and ODST, so now every time I hear the SMG from any other Halo game it catches me off guard a lot of the time.
Would you ever do a “music evolution” video or something like that? I think that would be cool
Someone FINALLY mentions how Halo 5 clearly went for a twitch shooter approach and less of an arena shooter!
I actually love the H2A campaign SMG it’s my favorite
I’m actually a huge fan of Halo 5’s SMG model. I’m 18 now, but I was 12 when Halo 5 released and I would always hold my Xbox controller like the SMG and pretend I was doing the Halo 5 reload.
I prefer the classic Halo titles and have a lot of nostalgia for them but I ALSO have a decent amount of nostalgia for Halo 4 and 5, and I feel good when I play them nowadays.
Bro I did the same when I was young, and still do to this day haha
16:33 I wonder if 343 would consider giving the brutes in halo 3’s campaign the red plasma rifles since its a re skin with no modifiers. It’d be cool to see the elites with blue and brutes with red in Halo 3.
11:06 I just noticed that when you duel welding the smg, the stock collapses.
I love using this gun every time I play floodgate on legendary because of how much fun it is to rip and tare through flood. It’s also fun to combine with the plasma rifle and mauler. Hence why it’s my personal favorite incarnation of the weapon besides the ODST smg
12:40 I never realized this, but jesus that is some violent vibrations
ODST’s version is probably my favourite, since it felt more useful in the campaign than in either Halo 2 or 3.
As for the SMG itself, I’ve always been a bit mixed towards it, as I feel like it’s addition alongside dual-wielding, ruined the plasma rifle in order to put the latter in the same category as the former.
In Halo 2’s multiplayer, it was basically the newb weapon of choice, especially dual-wielded, until you could find a BR or carbine. Properly wielded, it could also hold off shotgun and sword-wielders.
Literally saw this upload as I woke up.
When I played 2 when I was four years old I loved dual wielding smg’s and when anniversary came out I loved how cool the model was and how loud and aggressive it was. I think the re-imagining of it visually was cool! Not my favorite though, that damn ODST smg is way too iconic.
only real OGs remember Halo 3:RECON, the original name for Halo 3:ODST
Dude yeah! It was originally planned to be a little dlc! I remember reading the Game Informer with the halo 3 recon cover back in the day! Good times! 👍🏻
The side loading mag is my favorite part of the weapon overall
I always used 2 smgs over assault rifles in close combat in halo 3. Way better at just melting through enemies in front of you. The assault rifle IMO was the jack of all trades for me, with it functioning in close to mid range
Halo 3's SMG I find to be tolerable used on its own, maybe a bit of a meme weapon but I don't find it any worse than the AR for burst+beatdown or for shooting at the Banshee on Valhalla because your team (never you, obviously) failed to secure the laser and the hog/ missile pod is on cooldown. What does really affect it in H3 is that dual wielding got nerfed. It's easiest to see with Magnums, but you only get 75% damage output while dual wielding, 5 shots with a single magnum vs 8 with paired. This combined with never being able to holster both your SMGs (or other) probably contributed to them being ignored so heavily. Granted, spike damage from the Shotgun, Sword and Hammer would be compelling anyway (hell even the brute shot and that's in a terrible state in H3 too) but being unable to quickly transition to and from your mandatory BR/Carbine and hypothetical twin SMGs really does not help. Taxed damage and not being able to carry them easily, no thank you.
"On the rare occasion that I need to play halo 5 for a video"...
Yeah thats about right.