Great commotion in our very own links when the Lady Captain placed her bag down in the bunker at 13, now,and this is relevant,she took a few inelegant swipes at her ball,which was buried by the way !in high dudgeon she declared her ball lost,went on to the next tee. Hard to believe!!!!but yes her bag has since become an immovable object under rule 43 C,the bunker has been cordoned off,and the entire four acres Out of bounds!!! Lady Captain has moved into the bar on a permanent basis !!!
I just had the last scenario today. I thought I deserved a drop, but didn't even ask because I knew my group would not give it to me anyway--they're pretty tough on all rules, even iffy ones. Actually, in this case they were right. I am surprised, as I hit the box dead on, and bogeyed. But those are the rules.
You've got to remember to record all the shots you take in a round, a few classic Cowboys in my links make a guess and always win the four-ball with their fellow cowboy,they then retire to the bar,sit in a circle,a spend the rest of the day sneering at the members as they come in ! These lads come from the Artisan origins, a know as much about etiquette as a Bull does about a clean shirt !
My understanding is that because the ball is in the "general area", the point of relief must also be in the general area. But it can be anywhere in the general area within one club length of complete relief. So, in these scenarios, you can drop on the other side of the sprinkler box as long as the drop is no closer to the hole. He didn't have to drop behind the tree.
I had a case where a sprinkler was on my line but if I was not aiming at the tee it was in my stance. I could have played it without hitting the sprinkler but would have to go above so I took the wrong aim and declared an immovable obstacle because in that case, it was in my way. I'm wondering if this is correct.
In some circumstances, can you also take free relief from the obstruction playing a lefthanded stroke as a right hander, and then play your shot from the new position, right handed?
No you can't. A tree is part of the course and if you end up behind it or too close to it, tough. There is a possible solution in scenario 2 though: although the nearest point of relief is to the left of the immovable obstruction, the one-club length drop can be in any direction (no nearer the hole) so you could drop within that semi circle to the right of the obstruction (provided that there is no interference from it where you drop).
they would never do something like that. But, if for some reason there was, like a maintenance vehicle. You get free relief, but only inside the bunker. If you're forced to move your ball outside the bunker, it's a one stroke penalty.
@@johnmiller7682 Bunkers are not considered a "penalty area". Also, if you move your ball from a bunker to the "general area" it is a 2 stroke penalty.
but you don't have to drop the same side as the ball is right? Your club length relief is 180º, so could you still drop the other side of the control box? If you did that would you get relief again for stance obstruction?
Great commotion in our very own links when the Lady Captain placed her bag down in the bunker at 13, now,and this is relevant,she took a few inelegant swipes at her ball,which was buried by the way !in high dudgeon she declared her ball lost,went on to the next tee. Hard to believe!!!!but yes her bag has since become an immovable object under rule 43 C,the bunker has been cordoned off,and the entire four acres Out of bounds!!! Lady Captain has moved into the bar on a permanent basis !!!
Happens quite often 😂
I just had the last scenario today. I thought I deserved a drop, but didn't even ask because I knew my group would not give it to me anyway--they're pretty tough on all rules, even iffy ones. Actually, in this case they were right. I am surprised, as I hit the box dead on, and bogeyed. But those are the rules.
You should play at my course.....in the last scenario half the "players/cheats" at my course would give you a drop because they think it is not fair.
You've got to remember to record all the shots you take in a round, a few classic Cowboys in my links make a guess and always win the four-ball with their fellow cowboy,they then retire to the bar,sit in a circle,a spend the rest of the day sneering at the members as they come in ! These lads come from the Artisan origins, a know as much about etiquette as a Bull does about a clean shirt !
In scenario 1 and 2 - would it be considered “nearer to the hole” if it you dropped on the other side of the electrical box?
That was my question too 👍🏻
My understanding is that because the ball is in the "general area", the point of relief must also be in the general area. But it can be anywhere in the general area within one club length of complete relief. So, in these scenarios, you can drop on the other side of the sprinkler box as long as the drop is no closer to the hole. He didn't have to drop behind the tree.
I had a case where a sprinkler was on my line but if I was not aiming at the tee it was in my stance. I could have played it without hitting the sprinkler but would have to go above so I took the wrong aim and declared an immovable obstacle because in that case, it was in my way. I'm wondering if this is correct.
In some circumstances, can you also take free relief from the obstruction playing a lefthanded stroke as a right hander, and then play your shot from the new position, right handed?
What if the electrical box is in the woods and the ball ends up behind the electrical box? Still free relief?
Drop should be from knee height.
Exactly
Great examples!
Question - in scenario #2 drop, what is there was a tree in front that's impeding your swing. You can drop on elsewhere correct?
No you cannot. Immovable object is non natural object.
I believe the wording in the rules is 'artificial object'
No you can't. A tree is part of the course and if you end up behind it or too close to it, tough. There is a possible solution in scenario 2 though: although the nearest point of relief is to the left of the immovable obstruction, the one-club length drop can be in any direction (no nearer the hole) so you could drop within that semi circle to the right of the obstruction (provided that there is no interference from it where you drop).
Please also include the scoring for taking relief. Doesn’t it count as a stroke? That’s important to know
No. It's "Free" relief.
what happens if the immovable obstruction is in a penalty area?
they would never do something like that. But, if for some reason there was, like a maintenance vehicle. You get free relief, but only inside the bunker. If you're forced to move your ball outside the bunker, it's a one stroke penalty.
@@johnmiller7682 Bunkers are not considered a "penalty area". Also, if you move your ball from a bunker to the "general area" it is a 2 stroke penalty.
You can’t get free relief from a penalty area I believe
but you don't have to drop the same side as the ball is right? Your club length relief is 180º, so could you still drop the other side of the control box? If you did that would you get relief again for stance obstruction?
that's what I would do in this case
All I know is that if you take relief, you must take COMPLETE relief.
Does this include trees as immovable objects too? Could be a game changer for me 😃
oh, I guess not ---- at the top it said: "Immovable obstructions are artificial objects" --- sigh
@@utubeDaveutube yes - unfortunately realised later that trees are not artificial objects 😄
No it has to be artificial and not intended to affect play
THE PLAYER CAN NOT DROP FROM SHOULDER HEIGHT. RULE 14.3B
It's an old video. Rule was shoulder-height back then.