When playing in cooler weather in Canada I always carry a ball in a inner pocket keeping it warm which I will use whenever I can change the ball when allowed by winter rules and on the tee. Allowing me to hit a softer feeling ball for the next shot.
This for me is the one area where the rules of golf need changing. IMO you should be able to play preferred lies anywhere through the green (closely mown areas, fairway, and green) throughout the year. Why is a player allowed to mark lift and clean on the green but not on the fairway? If a player hits a ball onto the fairway...(where he is meant to hit it) He should be entitled to find a clean ball sitting in a playable lie, and not in someone else's unrepaired divot, or as is very frequent in my area in early Spring covered in mud. I firmly believe and always have done that this is one of the most unfair and unnecessarily penal rules of golf, and the interesting thing is the higher the standard of competition, the more relevant this becomes because at the highest levels of the game the players all hit the ball into the same area, causing a concentration of damage for those following to try and negotiate there way around. I would really like to see this changed.
Thanks for the info. Accumulated loose debris...... if the ball is close to debris but not in it, but swing is affected, i guess relief is still given?
Thanks for reviewing Winter Rules.. What about ball after the drive, burried in snow.or hail??? Do you get to brush the snow or hail away???? Love winter play...Like a box of cholates, never know what your going to get>>>>>
I would say that the heap of tree cuttings is an immovable obstruction, rather than ground under repair. An area of GUR is one defined by the committee. As an immovable obstruction, it still qualifies for free relief as an abnormal course condition (Rule 16), although there will of course be no defined drop zone.
just a quick question. if your nearest point of relief is a bunker fir playing from a wrong green do you drop it in the bunker or look for another nearest point of relief
at 8:50. Is this correct? Hannah does not appear to be "excessive" in her stance. The R&A states "Any temporary accumulation of water on the surface of the ground (such as puddles from rain or irrigation or an overflow from a body of water) that: Is not in a penalty area, and Can be seen before or after the player takes a stance (without pressing down excessively with his or her feet). It is not enough for the ground to be merely wet, muddy or soft or for the water to be momentarily visible as the player steps on the ground; an accumulation of water must remain present either before or after the stance is taken."
Very informative, thank you. I had a situation yesterday where my ball was in a steep bank with thick rough adjoining the green. The ball was buried. If I took a drop - two club lengths with a one shot penalty the nearest point of relief (no nearer the hole) would be on the green itself. Is this acceptable?
For unplayable relief (one shot penalty) there is no nearest point of complete relief. It's just within two club-lengths, but it can't be nearer the hole. If that ends up being on the green, then that's fine.
What's the ruling if you mark with a tee, drop, and the ball hits the tee? Common sense says no penalty and drop again but what's the right thing to do.
With a temporary green in use, if your ball is on the main green do you have to take relief. If you were to putt the ball eg over the apron to the temp green and therefore cause no damage to the main green would this be allowed? Thanks
Yes indeed,always wear a robust pair of underpants, or indeed longjohns ,a cap with thermal lining,and,and most of all A Cheese n Ham Butties with lots of mayo,must be stuffed in the jacket pocket this to be consumed within three months, if past that date give to neighbours Alsation or indeed the Lady Captain's rottweiler!
No such thing as "Winter Rules" There's The Rules of ⛳️ golf Nowhere in the Rules does it mention "winter" in any aspect at all... The Rules of Golf do however mention "Local Rules"... You are talking about............... LOCAL RULES
@@practicallyperfect2941 being one of the longest hitters in Queanbeyan, as well as playing for 50 years makes me very popular. You see, we don't really have "winter" here... No need to be jealous... we play Golf Rules all year, unlike you people... you play something that doesn't exist called "Winter Rules"...
@@practicallyperfect2941 thankyou... the insult would be "a Legend in your own mind." Both are true... Queanbeyan Golf club has liked me since 1975... So yes, I'm both Legend and LegEnd.
When playing in cooler weather in Canada I always carry a ball in a inner pocket keeping it warm which I will use whenever I can change the ball when allowed by winter rules and on the tee. Allowing me to hit a softer feeling ball for the next shot.
Such a good idea, a slightly warmer golf ball will perform so much better !
Fantastic video, very knowledgeable gentleman and very clearly explained. Thank you both so much.
Great video, didn’t realise the one with puddles on my line 👍
Excellent explanations. Well done!
thank you!!
This for me is the one area where the rules of golf need changing. IMO you should be able to play preferred lies anywhere through the green (closely mown areas, fairway, and green) throughout the year. Why is a player allowed to mark lift and clean on the green but not on the fairway? If a player hits a ball onto the fairway...(where he is meant to hit it) He should be entitled to find a clean ball sitting in a playable lie, and not in someone else's unrepaired divot, or as is very frequent in my area in early Spring covered in mud. I firmly believe and always have done that this is one of the most unfair and unnecessarily penal rules of golf, and the interesting thing is the higher the standard of competition, the more relevant this becomes because at the highest levels of the game the players all hit the ball into the same area, causing a concentration of damage for those following to try and negotiate there way around. I would really like to see this changed.
well done Rishy for the clear explanations
Yes he is great!
This is really helpful! Thanks
Gee that was very informative thanks so much
Very good video. Didn't know most of those rules and I've been playing for 30 years! Doh!
Such an informative channel. The combination of numerous topics, plus that accent, has made this one of my all time favorites.
Ah thank you!!
Our group usually rolls the ball up on a spot of grass for winter rules, been doing it for years and works fine.⛳⛳⛳
You can swap ball when on the fairway 🤯
Brilliant, these things are really useful to know, thank you!
Great Info! Cheers
Very informative. Thank you.
That was very informative. Thank you both.
Rishy is a top professional and referee. I’ve worked with him since I was 17, and he is the rules guru on my channel.
Great referee and very insightful!
Hannah,
You always do a great job teaching golf. Plus, your accent is awesome.
Thank you!!
That accent is what got me to subscribe
Oh My God so is her short game!
Thanks for the info. Accumulated loose debris...... if the ball is close to debris but not in it, but swing is affected, i guess relief is still given?
Yes
Thanks for reviewing Winter Rules.. What about ball after the drive, burried in snow.or hail??? Do you get to brush the snow or hail away???? Love winter play...Like a box of cholates, never know what your going to get>>>>>
Yes you can brush snow and hail away!
I would say that the heap of tree cuttings is an immovable obstruction, rather than ground under repair. An area of GUR is one defined by the committee. As an immovable obstruction, it still qualifies for free relief as an abnormal course condition (Rule 16), although there will of course be no defined drop zone.
just a quick question. if your nearest point of relief is a bunker fir playing from a wrong green do you drop it in the bunker or look for another nearest point of relief
Nearest point of relief has to be in the general area, the bunker isn’t in the general area so you would find somewhere else 👍🏼
at 8:50. Is this correct? Hannah does not appear to be "excessive" in her stance.
The R&A states "Any temporary accumulation of water on the surface of the ground (such as puddles from rain or irrigation or an overflow from a body of water) that:
Is not in a penalty area, and Can be seen before or after the player takes a stance (without pressing down excessively with his or her feet).
It is not enough for the ground to be merely wet, muddy or soft or for the water to be momentarily visible as the player steps on the ground; an accumulation of water must remain present either before or after the stance is taken."
He didn't give me relief as I had to press down excessively with my feet before water appeared.
And this is why I love links golf. Avoids most of these issues.
Yes links golf is so much better to play in winter!
Very informative, thank you. I had a situation yesterday where my ball was in a steep bank with thick rough adjoining the green. The ball was buried. If I took a drop - two club lengths with a one shot penalty the nearest point of relief (no nearer the hole) would be on the green itself. Is this acceptable?
For unplayable relief (one shot penalty) there is no nearest point of complete relief. It's just within two club-lengths, but it can't be nearer the hole. If that ends up being on the green, then that's fine.
Are winter golf rules not in effect once spring starts? March 21st?
Many are just rules brought in for the winter months some are all year round but more applicable in winter.
Filmed at Halifax West End Golf Club per chance Hannah?
Yes!!
With the water on the green ,what is the rules if the hole is within the water area ?
Do the tree trimmings also come under the rule covering green keeper's work?
Yes 👍🏼
Good well presented videos. So, when do winter rules come into effect?
All year round no? haha
In winter
Most clubs in the UK bring them in mid to late October until March/April but it is up to each club to decide.
@@hannahholdenNCG Thank you for your reply.
@@Jeddyboi123 That is only for cheats. The 2 basic rules of golf, play the ball as it lies & play the course as you find it.
What's the ruling if you mark with a tee, drop, and the ball hits the tee? Common sense says no penalty and drop again but what's the right thing to do.
If the ball stays inside the club length and is no nearer the hole you are fine to just play it as it lies! But yes no penalty for hitting the tee
With a temporary green in use, if your ball is on the main green do you have to take relief. If you were to putt the ball eg over the apron to the temp green and therefore cause no damage to the main green would this be allowed? Thanks
Hi! No you have to take relief so you can’t hit your shot from there even if you were putting
@@hannahholdenNCG ok, thanks for that.
Very important rule in winter would be
Abnormal course condition.
Rule 1 may you mark the ball spot with an object ?
Yes as long as it is a artificial object, you can’t use something natural like a leaf or a twig for example.
@@hannahholdenNCG great
Certainly can't go wrong with six inches.
When taking relief I understand that you must use the longest club in your bag....they were using an iron in part of the video.
Yes apologies I just used the club I was holding for illustrative purposes
@@hannahholdenNCG Please, no need to apologise and thank you for the videos. Keep up the good work.😉
must? I would think that would be a may, since it may be dropped less than a club length away.
@@kenbrown2808 Turns out you don't have to! Full explanation is in this article here www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/taking-relief-in-golf-rules/
Turns out you don't have to! Full explanation is in this article here www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/taking-relief-in-golf-rules/
Game would be so much simpler if you either had to play the ball as it lies or declare it unplayable
You never go wrong with 6 inches. A moto to live your life by.
OMG! The length of your shaft plus six inches more? 😳🤣🤣🤣
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Yes indeed,always wear a robust pair of underpants, or indeed longjohns ,a cap with thermal lining,and,and most of all A Cheese n Ham Butties with lots of mayo,must be stuffed in the jacket pocket this to be consumed within three months, if past that date give to neighbours Alsation or indeed the Lady Captain's rottweiler!
"You're not going to go wrong with six inches" Ohhh, behave!
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Matron
No such thing as "Winter Rules"
There's The Rules of ⛳️ golf
Nowhere in the Rules does it mention "winter" in any aspect at all...
The Rules of Golf do however mention "Local Rules"...
You are talking about...............
LOCAL RULES
I bet you’re a joy in the golf club!
@@practicallyperfect2941 being one of the longest hitters in Queanbeyan, as well as playing for 50 years makes me very popular.
You see, we don't really have "winter" here...
No need to be jealous... we play Golf Rules all year, unlike you people... you play something that doesn't exist called "Winter Rules"...
@@cliftonmanley3882 a legend in your own lifetime….just as I thought you would be
@@practicallyperfect2941 thankyou... the insult would be "a Legend in your own mind." Both are true... Queanbeyan Golf club has liked me since 1975... So yes, I'm both Legend and LegEnd.
The type of person who puts people OFF golfing..
First rule: bring cookies.
You mean whiskey?
If they are weed cookies, I agree
Rishy, Debi would definitely not be happy with 6” 😂😂😂
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If you’re playing in winter there are no rules ffs 🤦♂️ haha it’s only a game people, have fun
Great info but come on Hannah…if you’re going to take PROPER relief, a club length should be your driver - not your wedge!!
Brilliant! Much easier to understand than the written word. More please🏌🏻♂️🏌🏼
Thanks 😊 we have lots more coming soon 🏌🏽♀️