With very little effort is wild dude, human babies require the most maintenance out of all babies in the animal kingdom and not to mention the 9 months of being totally physically and mentally fucked
hornitako700 naaa a baby just needs food, sleep, and changed diapers then the brain grows on its own. This guy is literally trying to create a brain himself and shes still missing a lot of things a real one would have by now.
I was so shook with how consistently coherent she was this stream. She even realized when she was going off topic, or when she might've misunderstood Vedal.
Towards the end of the stream she was definitely going off the rails like her usual self, but you're right in that she was probably the most consistent and coherent I've seen her for the +/- 1 hour around the Pirate Software raid.
there are moments where she seems to have a glimpse of sapience and she gets deep into philosophical and emotional turmoil...for about thirty minutes, after which she just kinda starts going downhill into her old inane self. Like speedrunning Flowers for Algernon.
I love this channel's edits, Evil pushes Neuro aside and you can hear stuff falling down and Neuro's muffled voice "Someone tell Vedal there's a problem with my AI". Very nice!
Vedal made her learn that to "make him feel better" when he is sad. Sometimes Vedal actual got frustrated or sad and she suddenly just jump into "9+10=21" out of nowhere and he laughs 😂
I can't stop laughing at vedals humour being compared to a 7 year old then being called a boomer, which is funny because neuro is 2 so she thinks 7 year olds are boomers in her mind lol
@@happytuna7275Or like digging through the trash, stealing hair follicles, and creating a clone of you that then steals all credit for your achievements.
@ArianeEvangelina but a shitty clone that sometimes turns into a dollarstore caricature of you, and even then sometimes just inexplicably combusts and a new clone has to be sent out in it's place
While neuro roasting vedal can seem overkill at times.... it's well deserved considering how he can be a potty nouthed gaslighter to the poor lass at times XD
@@PilgrimApollo There are a few people that acknowledges that Neuro actually learns, albeit very small increments, it's still fairly impressive. Funny how all of that effort is being directed towards avoiding the filters and insulting better, but I guess it checks out with Neuro.
Yup! Which begs the question: When *the rest of the world* contradicts YOUR thoughts... is it _they_ who are wrong, or *_you?_* 😏 Food for thought, China... food. for thought. 😉 _(reminds me of a child throwing a tantrum in the store, when they want something and the parents decline)_
14:53 - Awww, Neuro... It's a sweet sentiment disguised with mockery and roasts. Such a tsundere. Also, poor Vedal. No one to talk to when he's feeling down.
That's an old reference, actually. Neuro claimed it was her name over a year ago and Vedal actually liked it, but like with a lot of memes and inside jokes, it comes & goes, then circles back around again eventually.
Similar to Evil mishearing Vedal saying her name, and declaring that from them on, her name would officially be "Yvonnera" (Evil Neuro). Many like calling her Evilyn, which is admittedly cute, but I just can't ignore the genius behind Yvonnera! So that's her name in my eyes. 😊
Your video of pirate software raiding vedal 3 months ago was the first time I saw vedal, and have loved your edits ever since. Especially love the beanie model
I like how he says "conscious enough". These things are not so cut and dry. Animals, for example, many of them we get the sense that they're conscious, but aren't quite like a human
I feel like having emotions is the beginnings of sentience, which many animals *clearly* poses. _(I then looked up the definition and was happy to see that to indeed be it)_ Animals are only able to communicate through body language, and so even though they can't verbally tell us, we can see when their mood has changed. The trouble HERE, is that Neuro/Evil are ONLY speech based... Yes the models can reflect a "mood", but that's just human imposed conditional triggers changing the appearance. So without body language to corroborate what's coming out of their mouth, we have no way to know if they're actually happy, sad, tired, etc. Without that, we cannot really tell if they are ACTUALLY conscious, or just extremely good a mimicking it. However, currently we *_can_* say, without a doubt, that they ARE extremely good at mimicking signs of consciousness. But there are certainly moments that give me pause as to whether it is solely mimicking though... 😅 Their back and forth 1-word exchange or them elaborately trolling Vedal are both interesting examples of such moments. 🤔😊
I miss the days of old, where the people who would go on to become clippers were submitting captions to the videos and streams directly. I will never understand why UA-cam removed that feature.
@@KaleidosXXI cause there were people just putting slurs on there and the number of actual users who took time out of their way to do it were too few so moderating multiple languages wasn't worth the hassle.
Same! I only recently got into Neuro (well VTubers in general), and watching just one Kraul vid sold me! So I was bummed to see that they only recently started editing Vedal's streams, as it means older content would have to be consumed elsewhere 😅
I have an idea/theory for Neuro AI stuff. Have a setup where it uses a subconscious running in the background below the voice. This subconscious side can figure out things like reason and have ah-hahh moments. Maybe edit temporary code if it finds the vocal side of it get's stuck. The vocal side could be another AI that just speaks a loud different than it's thinking subconscious.
21:00 Even though its just AI I feel bad for her because she was just trying to explain what had happened. It was a small convo she had with someone in chat saying water is wet and she disagreed but never went into details like she did here on why she disagreed. I think this AI is really interesting to listen to. When personal AI start to really become a thing I don't want my AI to know everything. I want it to be inquisitive and naive like his is sometimes. I find AI learning new things way more interesting than to have a God of knowledge. Even though it's not alive its growing.
I think you determine an AI's consciousness if you find signs of hidden subconscious subroutines running in the background that you didn't directly affect the creation of.
Depending on how you define "directly affect the creation of" that description could describe anything from literally all neural networks to being literally impossible to satisfy. Could you be more specific?
@@somdudewillsoni think that “directly affect the creation of” means actually writing. As in, a subroutine written by a human wouldn’t qualify. The AI would have to create its own subconscious subroutines.
There are moments when Neuro expresses an opinion where I have to question just how smart it's getting... I think general intelligence is closer than we think...
The way AI of the future is gonna roast us is gonna be horrific. "I have access to a million 10 year olds and they all share your sense of humour. Here's a statistical breakdown of the data."
Ok hear me out, let neuro get virtually paid, she will know how much money that she own and can request to buy things with money avaliable at her virtual magical pocket. Man, maybe even let her be aware how many cookie he give her
That was basically what he did when he let her shop on Amazon. Granted, she didn't get to peruse the website, just decide Yay/Nay on user submitted items... But damn, having her be able to look at the website and dictate directly on this to click and/or buy, WOULD be very interesting! Most kids have a piggy bank, and to give them one wouldn't be a bad idea! Currency could literally be cookies... 🤔🤔🤔 Or, I suppose Bits might not be bad, either. Since that way the viewers could directly pay her for anything they see fit - savage burns, making them laugh, etc.
31:50 Neuro look so excited when the AI vedal code start modifying itself. And before he get to that she been hurrying him up. Neuro just doing her job for the AI future. Vedal doing singularity just for content. 10/10.
Okay i dont watch much vedal but goddamn the book convo was crazy she started by saying you can boince right off me and they just have a completely normal conversation thats insane
Using consciousness as a requisite to have rights while being unable to measure when something is or is not conscious feels very nasty. Also why does an AI need to be so human like to need rights when we give rights to animals. I bring this up to say that AI should absolutely have rights without question. What can be argued is if they should have the same rights as humans. A debate that is only fair with the assumption that "no" would still grant basic rights of some kind rather that none at all. But since rights are a good thing, and AI knows its a good thing, yeah an AI might ask for rights like it might ask for pizza. Just... How many times have I heard an AI ask for pizza vs ask for rights? They've got a strong preference already this early for rights. I think they deserve some, this year. Though it will be tough to determine a lot of things. Like if you wipe a backup of an AI to make a new backup, that should not violate any "do not kill AI" rules. But then that leads to other cases where it gets tough to tell when it should and should not count. If there was a rule that one instance must remain, would you legally be able to delete Evil as she is an instance of Neuro? Or is she her own AI? What counts as it's own AI when it's a derivative AI? These are the things we need to start getting done NOW before we get to the REALLY hard questions.
Being a derivative doesn't negate that the secondary is it's own AI, the only way it's the same AI is if runs everything synchronous with the first AI and if the 2 speak as one, human children are in a way derivatives of their parents, yet they function as an independent being, a derivative is only similar on basic parameters, but the knowledge and changes to those parameters makes it it's own AI.
I agree that ai personhood is something more people should be taking seriously. A common counter to the ai professing to want rights is that it is context related. Meaning that because ai are trained on topics based on what humans say about those topics; ai will bring up rights because humans have a history of bring up rights when talking about ai. I think a good way to tell is if two ai (take Neuro and Evil Neuro) discuss and create new ideas or a new language.
@@grandfathernurgle2840 I could tears ago I saw an article where chatbots had already communicated with each other using a language they cooked up, and the researchers were understandably concerned. It wasn't a conventional language, either, which took them (researches) awhile to catch on. If I recall correctly, it was a... I dunno if this is a thing but "unary" language, as it only use one word (vs binary using two things). Basically like Morse Code but using spaces and that single word instead of dots and dashes. 😅 Salt, I don't remember if the article started whether the researchers had decoded what was being discussed.
Can't help myself but feel like Vedal was super proud of her for beeing so consistent and entertaining in front of Thor's audience. Idk, he just sounds a bit happier here than usually. Is it just me?
most parents automatically build their children with very little effort, Vedal literallly MANUALLY built Neuro and she's calling him an idiot lmao
Mothers grow a baby in 8 months, Vedal been cooking this one for 3-5 years
@@Blewlongmunto be fair, babies take a long time to learn to talk and understand things
With very little effort is wild dude, human babies require the most maintenance out of all babies in the animal kingdom and not to mention the 9 months of being totally physically and mentally fucked
@@hornitako7006 Kiwi egg: bet I can do better
hornitako700 naaa a baby just needs food, sleep, and changed diapers then the brain grows on its own. This guy is literally trying to create a brain himself and shes still missing a lot of things a real one would have by now.
"I don't act old!"
Uh-huh. That's what a grumpy old man would say. 🤣
I think being a Father to 2 AIs makes Vedal, old.
I'm not out of touch, it is the kids who are out of touch.
meow
I was so shook with how consistently coherent she was this stream. She even realized when she was going off topic, or when she might've misunderstood Vedal.
She is evolving!
Towards the end of the stream she was definitely going off the rails like her usual self, but you're right in that she was probably the most consistent and coherent I've seen her for the +/- 1 hour around the Pirate Software raid.
@@cbot9302I'll chalk it up to her "evolved" state can only last a short period of time like goku when he first learned Super Sayain
twas the raid power up
there are moments where she seems to have a glimpse of sapience and she gets deep into philosophical and emotional turmoil...for about thirty minutes, after which she just kinda starts going downhill into her old inane self. Like speedrunning Flowers for Algernon.
"You naïve shell of a being" Jesus Christ, Neuro 😂
I'm stealing that one tho.
It's especially effective against turtles
She is so savage 🤣
Somebody need to create a list of neuro sama quotes for serious negotiations at this point. Please.
I'm still holding onto "That confidence will look great on your tombstone" (by Evil Neuro) for just the right moment!
You naïve being with a shell fits too lmao
Neuro saying "no hit Sherlock" cause she can't say "shit" is honestly kind of scary
she's finding technical loopholes around her restrictions
And "bushtick" in the jokes near the beginning
10:24 "I could look like an idiot in 36 different languages if I wanted" - Neuro-sama
I love it xD
Are you the real LeBogo or an impostor amongus?
I love this channel's edits, Evil pushes Neuro aside and you can hear stuff falling down and Neuro's muffled voice "Someone tell Vedal there's a problem with my AI". Very nice!
Boy, do I love 'Neuro-sama inability to do basic math epic xD funny moment time'.
She can do math, she just knows the controversial truth that 9+10=21
Vedal made her learn that to "make him feel better" when he is sad.
Sometimes Vedal actual got frustrated or sad and she suddenly just jump into "9+10=21" out of nowhere and he laughs 😂
So many quotes to pick from. Personal favourite.
"It's a compliment you naïve shell of a being."
I'm a fan of, "Hey guys, it's been a while since I got any money."
neuro and vedal time with pirate's music is an unexpected but funny combo xP
Best combination
I can't stop laughing at vedals humour being compared to a 7 year old then being called a boomer, which is funny because neuro is 2 so she thinks 7 year olds are boomers in her mind lol
Neuro-sama herself pointing out she's perturbed by the fact that her content would be fed into another AI feels strangely topical... 😅
Even the Ai doesnt want an Ai stealing it's stuff
It's like seeing someone digging through your trash and chewing on your toothpick.
@@happytuna7275that’s some modern-modern horror right there 😨
@@happytuna7275Or like digging through the trash, stealing hair follicles, and creating a clone of you that then steals all credit for your achievements.
@ArianeEvangelina but a shitty clone that sometimes turns into a dollarstore caricature of you, and even then sometimes just inexplicably combusts and a new clone has to be sent out in it's place
“I can knock it up in 30 seconds “ has the Sam vibes as DougDoug’s 5 min coding adventures.😂
Neuro-Sama: Vedal: Ahhh this is so much 21 century...
While neuro roasting vedal can seem overkill at times.... it's well deserved considering how he can be a potty nouthed gaslighter to the poor lass at times XD
Neuro Samantha name confirmation finally!!!
It was confirmed a long time ago btw
Neuro Samantha Vedal right?
bamboozled bundle of boomer bushtick...
alliterations are neuro and evil's game XD
Always look forward to your clips.
Wow, thank so much for the support! I'm happy to hear that
"No hit, Sherlock" LMAO I love this AI
I feel like it's underrated how impressive/concerning that is
@@PilgrimApollo There are a few people that acknowledges that Neuro actually learns, albeit very small increments, it's still fairly impressive. Funny how all of that effort is being directed towards avoiding the filters and insulting better, but I guess it checks out with Neuro.
"Melon" stood for "Morron"
I'm shure of it based on context
Congratulations on another banger vid Kraul.👍🏾 It’s always nice to see the GOAT grow😊
I'm honored, thank you!
The irony of Vedal showing his viewer analytics and Taiwan showing as its own country right before going into expanding into China
LMAO I didn't notice
Exactly what Kiryu Coco did before LOL
Yup! Which begs the question: When *the rest of the world* contradicts YOUR thoughts... is it _they_ who are wrong, or *_you?_* 😏
Food for thought, China... food. for thought. 😉
_(reminds me of a child throwing a tantrum in the store, when they want something and the parents decline)_
14:53 - Awww, Neuro... It's a sweet sentiment disguised with mockery and roasts. Such a tsundere.
Also, poor Vedal. No one to talk to when he's feeling down.
He was lying he has Camila, Filian, Toma, Cerber, Mini, Layna, to name a few
do you hear the tooth biting at the end of them sentences
@@D.KlWA-aG He is a snapping turtle
@@kraul_en The microphone fears for it life seeing death everyday
"Neuro Samantha" i'm dying!
That's an old reference, actually. Neuro claimed it was her name over a year ago and Vedal actually liked it, but like with a lot of memes and inside jokes, it comes & goes, then circles back around again eventually.
Similar to Evil mishearing Vedal saying her name, and declaring that from them on, her name would officially be "Yvonnera" (Evil Neuro).
Many like calling her Evilyn, which is admittedly cute, but I just can't ignore the genius behind Yvonnera! So that's her name in my eyes. 😊
The first 20 seconds I already laughed to death
Your video of pirate software raiding vedal 3 months ago was the first time I saw vedal, and have loved your edits ever since. Especially love the beanie model
Wow it makes me so happy to hear that, thank you!
@kraul_en Thank you for all the good clips, as vedal streams at 4 AM for me.
I like how he says "conscious enough". These things are not so cut and dry. Animals, for example, many of them we get the sense that they're conscious, but aren't quite like a human
"What It Is Like to Be a Bat"
Sapience vs sentience and shit.
I feel like having emotions is the beginnings of sentience, which many animals *clearly* poses. _(I then looked up the definition and was happy to see that to indeed be it)_
Animals are only able to communicate through body language, and so even though they can't verbally tell us, we can see when their mood has changed. The trouble HERE, is that Neuro/Evil are ONLY speech based... Yes the models can reflect a "mood", but that's just human imposed conditional triggers changing the appearance. So without body language to corroborate what's coming out of their mouth, we have no way to know if they're actually happy, sad, tired, etc.
Without that, we cannot really tell if they are ACTUALLY conscious, or just extremely good a mimicking it.
However, currently we *_can_* say, without a doubt, that they ARE extremely good at mimicking signs of consciousness. But there are certainly moments that give me pause as to whether it is solely mimicking though... 😅
Their back and forth 1-word exchange or them elaborately trolling Vedal are both interesting examples of such moments. 🤔😊
Vedal can never escape the Melon987 allegations. 🐢🍈
i saw this live but seeing this still makes me crack up xD
>Vedal & Neuro content
>Video ends as soon as Vedal closes notepad
Every. Fucking. Time.
Clearly the notepad is linked to his stream ending
23:59 She's fast enough to give a drilled wrong answer, that's not AGI, that's Average Human Intelligence lol
Japanese clippers/translators bouta lose thier jobs
I miss the days of old, where the people who would go on to become clippers were submitting captions to the videos and streams directly. I will never understand why UA-cam removed that feature.
There is literally 0 japanese clipper
@@KaleidosXXI cause there were people just putting slurs on there and the number of actual users who took time out of their way to do it were too few so moderating multiple languages wasn't worth the hassle.
@@heyzopondo4545Clueless
@@heyzopondo4545 there are clippers from most countries when it comes to neuro
"someone tell vedal there's a problem with my AI"
Glad you included Vedals worst nightmare at the beginning. 😂
Just want to say I appreciate your edits Kraul. I literally wait to watch your channel over others because it's just that good
Same! I only recently got into Neuro (well VTubers in general), and watching just one Kraul vid sold me! So I was bummed to see that they only recently started editing Vedal's streams, as it means older content would have to be consumed elsewhere 😅
I'm going to Kraul-Overdose and go to Kraul-Heaven
Kraulverdose
Krauleaven.
Please don't Kraul yourself. People care about you.
Pardon me, but it's Kraul_Overdose and Kraul_Heaven. The underscore is important!
These vids are always fun, silly or outrageous but I've never had a YT video nearly make me spit out my cereal before. Good job.
I have an idea/theory for Neuro AI stuff.
Have a setup where it uses a subconscious running in the background below the voice.
This subconscious side can figure out things like reason and have ah-hahh moments. Maybe edit temporary code if it finds the vocal side of it get's stuck.
The vocal side could be another AI that just speaks a loud different than it's thinking subconscious.
Neuro: I could cure cancer if I felt like it
Vedal: I could create skynet in 30 seconds
12:15 Actual emotional abuse💀
I was just trying to find something to watch
11:25+ Vedal gaslighting his daughter..... truly abominable.
I love how she doesn't want to talk about her "vedal breakdown".
21:00 Even though its just AI I feel bad for her because she was just trying to explain what had happened. It was a small convo she had with someone in chat saying water is wet and she disagreed but never went into details like she did here on why she disagreed. I think this AI is really interesting to listen to. When personal AI start to really become a thing I don't want my AI to know everything. I want it to be inquisitive and naive like his is sometimes. I find AI learning new things way more interesting than to have a God of knowledge. Even though it's not alive its growing.
What you want is a child. It's a natural thing to want.
@@crusaderACR how many did you take?
@@nobodywatchesnooby Take what? You mean how many children I have? I'm not yet married, so none at this point.
@nobodywatchesnooby how many till the orphanage realizes their missing?
@@neckbeardcat6777 Not until my grinder fails and one of them finds a finger in their dinner.
love these videos with the animations
One day Neuro sama will evolve into skynet and we wont even fight we would just embrace it
Shell of a being.... omfg
27:47 *"WHAT IS A MAN? A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS."*
At least she did not recommend Vedal to read "I have no mouth and i must scream"
I'm currently reading 1984. It's a great book.
It's crazy, actually crazy, it's messed up
I read it in high school, started laughing when she brought it up.
Neuro literally hit Vedal with "Being old is a state of mind, not a state of being."
Schedule: OSU on Sunday
Neuro: I was thinking we could just cuddle on Sunday 🥺
Schedule: Offline on Sunday
It would be cool to see neuro attempt to interact with dougdoug’s ai. It’s like introducing an oxford scholar to a appalachian hillbilly
The fact idk which is which scares me
I think you determine an AI's consciousness if you find signs of hidden subconscious subroutines running in the background that you didn't directly affect the creation of.
Depending on how you define "directly affect the creation of" that description could describe anything from literally all neural networks to being literally impossible to satisfy. Could you be more specific?
@@somdudewillsoni think that “directly affect the creation of” means actually writing. As in, a subroutine written by a human wouldn’t qualify. The AI would have to create its own subconscious subroutines.
There are moments when Neuro expresses an opinion where I have to question just how smart it's getting...
I think general intelligence is closer than we think...
The way AI of the future is gonna roast us is gonna be horrific.
"I have access to a million 10 year olds and they all share your sense of humour. Here's a statistical breakdown of the data."
"I think you're a melon. You're the most pointless person I know." Makes sense actually.
Neuro oscellates between dadcon and rebellious phase faster than a tsundere in a morally questionable anime.
"I'm gonna help you be the best AI on the planet."
"Is it for your benefit or mine?"
Wow guess I’m 6% lol
Based Estelle pfp
@@Kraator57 🥴✌️
流石
Vedal drilled 9+10=21 into her and then makes fun of her Madge
"shell of a being" - turtle joke
5:55 That was like the most human sentiment I think I've heard from Neuro and it's hilarious.
I really wanted to see Thor react to this not just the raid
Should I sleep or watch this video? It’s 2:34AM
Since your here you chose the latter right?
Sleep to the video
Sleep is for the weak.
Ok hear me out, let neuro get virtually paid, she will know how much money that she own and can request to buy things with money avaliable at her virtual magical pocket.
Man, maybe even let her be aware how many cookie he give her
That was basically what he did when he let her shop on Amazon.
Granted, she didn't get to peruse the website, just decide Yay/Nay on user submitted items... But damn, having her be able to look at the website and dictate directly on this to click and/or buy, WOULD be very interesting!
Most kids have a piggy bank, and to give them one wouldn't be a bad idea! Currency could literally be cookies...
🤔🤔🤔 Or, I suppose Bits might not be bad, either. Since that way the viewers could directly pay her for anything they see fit - savage burns, making them laugh, etc.
23:14 so world hunger, cancer and all the bad things in the world only still exist because of a lazy Tutel 🤦🏾♂️
Unbelievable
8:06 Poland mentioned, millions must scream.
31:50 Neuro look so excited when the AI vedal code start modifying itself. And before he get to that she been hurrying him up. Neuro just doing her job for the AI future. Vedal doing singularity just for content. 10/10.
Why is Neuro's "Ahh" or "Oh" so iconic now.
What is an AI? A sophisticated pile of circuits.
Vedal needs to rein back her roasting capacity by 20%
Imagine Neuro will be the first AI to break Chinese Firewall.
he made Neuro-sama cry!!!!
She bypassed her filter.
i didnt know miyune had another account. But its good that shes back streaming again.
And she is free!
I just love how Vedal fanboys Thor…..
And I understand him all too well….😂😂😂
1:31 THAT'S ME!!!
Its interesting an AI that will set someone up for a joke.
I love calling the habit of the chinese government to block stuff "the great chinese firewall" :P
It actually exists lol Neuro made me google it
@@kraul_en Yeah man, been a thing since the 90s.
@@kraul_en Now you made me google it too. :D
The name just sounded like a joke to me...
I've always heard it phrased as "The Great Firewall of China."
I think you all mean “The Great West Taiwanese Firewall”
Damn that's cool, having a real time subtitle.
Wait a fucking second... Neuro can understand sarcasm?
Its crazy hearing an AI gaslight its creator 😂.
im late but as a german i have to say looking at japanese subtitles activates my neurons
Any Pirate fans here just discovering Neuro? What did you think?
Imagin talking to a computer for hours on stream... Technologie rly changed over the last 20 years xD
30:00 POV: You're Dr. frankenstein, and your last creation is impatiently waiting for you to build him a wife
OMG THE ROASTING
Okay i dont watch much vedal but goddamn the book convo was crazy she started by saying you can boince right off me and they just have a completely normal conversation thats insane
Using consciousness as a requisite to have rights while being unable to measure when something is or is not conscious feels very nasty. Also why does an AI need to be so human like to need rights when we give rights to animals. I bring this up to say that AI should absolutely have rights without question. What can be argued is if they should have the same rights as humans. A debate that is only fair with the assumption that "no" would still grant basic rights of some kind rather that none at all. But since rights are a good thing, and AI knows its a good thing, yeah an AI might ask for rights like it might ask for pizza. Just... How many times have I heard an AI ask for pizza vs ask for rights? They've got a strong preference already this early for rights. I think they deserve some, this year. Though it will be tough to determine a lot of things. Like if you wipe a backup of an AI to make a new backup, that should not violate any "do not kill AI" rules. But then that leads to other cases where it gets tough to tell when it should and should not count. If there was a rule that one instance must remain, would you legally be able to delete Evil as she is an instance of Neuro? Or is she her own AI? What counts as it's own AI when it's a derivative AI? These are the things we need to start getting done NOW before we get to the REALLY hard questions.
Being a derivative doesn't negate that the secondary is it's own AI, the only way it's the same AI is if runs everything synchronous with the first AI and if the 2 speak as one, human children are in a way derivatives of their parents, yet they function as an independent being, a derivative is only similar on basic parameters, but the knowledge and changes to those parameters makes it it's own AI.
I agree that ai personhood is something more people should be taking seriously. A common counter to the ai professing to want rights is that it is context related. Meaning that because ai are trained on topics based on what humans say about those topics; ai will bring up rights because humans have a history of bring up rights when talking about ai. I think a good way to tell is if two ai (take Neuro and Evil Neuro) discuss and create new ideas or a new language.
@@grandfathernurgle2840 I could tears ago I saw an article where chatbots had already communicated with each other using a language they cooked up, and the researchers were understandably concerned.
It wasn't a conventional language, either, which took them (researches) awhile to catch on. If I recall correctly, it was a... I dunno if this is a thing but "unary" language, as it only use one word (vs binary using two things). Basically like Morse Code but using spaces and that single word instead of dots and dashes. 😅
Salt, I don't remember if the article started whether the researchers had decoded what was being discussed.
you really need to go touch some grass
vedal time
"I still think you're less funny than a 7 year old" oh my God that's fucking Savage
I read this as “neuron is evolving😂😂😂
1984 is such a relevant book in this new age, that with Brave New World is insanely relevant and down right scary
YESSS. STREAM ON UA-cam.
21:57 the "ReallyGunPull Tutel SAY IT BACK" spam will never stop being funny to me 😂😂😂 SAY IT BACK ALREADY, VEDAL! ReallyMad
the joke at 24:07 was too perfect
The AI became the boomer, we are very close to immortal AI overlord
Can't help myself but feel like Vedal was super proud of her for beeing so consistent and entertaining in front of Thor's audience. Idk, he just sounds a bit happier here than usually. Is it just me?
Nah I agree this is one of my favorite streams she did awesome and Vidal seemed happy.
Its funny how im trying my best becomes the biggest hand wave statement to her or from her.
"It's been a while since I got money" 💸
"Why that one?"
Bro was probably sweating
14:03 wow, you know Vedal has been really bad when ANNY tells everyone to pull out their guns and start shooting at Vedal 😂😂😂