What If Zuko Turned Good Early? | Avatar
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Flameo my hotmans, sticking my foot a lot deeper into an Avatar what-if scenario that I originally touched on in the form of the what if super mini" What If Zuko studied other bending styles earlier" now my goal is to tackle a more interesting and frequently asked question of the series with that cultural enrichment of Prince Zuko's as the catalyst.
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Another example I forgot, in Book 3 Sozin basicaly heat bends the toxic vapors away from a volcano as an early showing of lighting redirection
Avatar what ifs>>>
Better than what? I don’t get it.
@@thesithsaiyan4864By leaving the right side blank, they’re saying (or at least trying to) that Avatar what-ifs are better than everything. It’s a common Gen Z comment format, but I find it a bit odd. It makes more sense to just type the entire thought out.
Ok instead of criticizing for no reason I'll bite.
What if Zuko joined the gaang in the crystal cave.
What if Mai killed Azula in boiling Rock.
What if Azula killed Mai in boiling Rock.
(And yes I do think both are equally possible)
What if Haru joined team Avatar.
What if Hama chose to live in peace.
What if Aang killed Ozai
That was...unexpected! But a welcome series.
Another what if that would be cool are:
What if Sokka was also a bender
What if Aang did not vanish
What if Uncle Iroh Son did not die
What if Azula and Zuko swapt places
What if Sokka was a bender >
What if Zuko and Azula swapped places and personalities
Places would be cool if Azula is the older sibling.
There's a lot of ways Azula and Zuko can swap places, but the one i would find more interesting is Azula being the one to have her face burnt and banished until she captures the avatar. We would probably have an Azula that have uncle Iroh to teach her, and an Zuko who is much more afraid than respectfull of his father (having seen him burn his sister face)
Another possibility. We know that the majority, if not the entirety of the soldiers under Azula, including Mai and Ty Lee, served her purly out of fear. So if Zuko managed to defeat Azula in front of them, it might be enough to convince some of them to turn their coats and proclaim Zuko Fire Lord on the spot.
What if Iroh was Fire Lord? Would he continue the war? Would the water spirit be spared? Would he force the fire nation to get better at making tea?
I would love a more in detail version of this that breaks down more of the actual effects.
Zuko joining the team early in book 3 may lead to the Earth kingdom never falling. Think about it, Zuko being on their side may lead him to never betraying the team. Which means that we can reasonably assume they take down Azula. Hell he might catch and recognize her early as a fake Kyoshi warrior and stop her before she can team up with the Dai Lee.
Also for other what it suggestions some obvious ones are
What if Aang was never frozen
What if Sokka was born a water bender instead of Katara.
What if Iroh was firelord
And finally, what if Suki joined Team Avatar early.
Azula wouldn't ever get the chance to attack and capture the kiyoshi warriors if Appa doesn't get lost, plus him being around makes her drill easier to stop so she really ends up with no way to get inside Ba Sing Se and make her play on Long Feng and the Dai Li so yeah she is defeated a lot sooner.
It was definitely different, but I like the ideas of the What If, especially the different color flames and Toph developing lavabending as well. But I would really like a full multi-part what if like your other stories so we can see the journey.
I remember the avatar extras saying Zuko was supposed to turn good at the end of season 2 so it’s nice to see a version that explores if he turned good early. Granted not at the same spot but still
Ok. Avatar what ifs are really underrated. Good on you on understanding that.
If you are gonna have the colors of zuko's fire change, it should be rainbow after he meets the dragons
He has done rainbow colored bending in the comics so its not something that couldn't happen
Edit: guess I shoulda waited to comment lol
Glad to see one of the mini's being a an actual what-if, this is about to be dope
Yo I remembered recommending ALTA What Ifs
I’m pretty sure other people recommend this to you as well
Like what if scenario I suggested that Zuko and Azula roles were swapped. Azula would’ve been a lot closer with her mother and Iroh would be a bigger influence in this timeline. Zuko would be under the influence of his father. Their relationship would be similar to Darth Sidious and Vader. Azula would still be as talented in the original series but she has to work twice as hard since her father neglects the Princess’s existence. She’ll still be her versatile witty self. But semi crazy, have her mother’s kind heart, banished, confused and with a scar on her face.
And also the another suggestion what if
What if Katara was the Avatar?
What if Toph awakened Lavabending instead?
What if Sokka was trained early?( basically a solid balance between his already applaudible intelligence and physicality)
I’m so hyped for Avatar What Ifs
Waittt a what if mini adapted so soon🙌🏾 To expand upon plus’ question of cultural enrichment. I think the mixing of styles to even the smallest degree is present consistently in TLAB. Zuko in The Final Agni Kai is a perfect example. I also think Kuvira and Su Yin are good examples of subtle bending styles being implemented in how they bend.
I am so glad I found your channel. A great writer who doesnt limit himself to one thing. Glorious.
Honestly, I definitely would love to see this as a full series! So I hope you consider it.
Well considering the world of martial arts there is a benefit to adapting other styles to whatever you may know in order to diversify your skills. That being said in the world of Avatar I would say the best benders and masters would be those who mix certain principles of bending to better their own.
Really enjoyed this.
Personally, I want some good ol water bending. I'd definitely be using it more like an earth bender though.
I think it could be interesting to see a timeline where Zuko joins just early enough to have Azula hunting Team Avatar instead. Maybe she could have Iroh as a mentor, but I could see Zhao taking his place as her mentor, possibly even forcing him to change because of how cruel Azula is, or they work so well together as to become a truly terrifying force against the new Team Avatar.
And rainbow fire during the final Agni kai.
0:31 rip toryiama
Thank you guys
His death was heartbreaking for us
I think it would've been really cool if we got to see more sparring matches between the characters in our main group. I would love to see the way that other characters could've learned other forms to bend with like Zuko did during the fight in the Ba Sing Se palace against Azula. Zuko uses a waterbending stance to form a wave of fire, imagine if katara were using a fire benders form to launch ice, or toph learning to use an airbenders flowing movement to create some wild earthbending moves. Sokka being taught to incorporate bending martial forms in his combat would be another really cool development. Imagine Sokka having such adequate knowledge of the technique and form of the different bending styles that he were capable of having taught Korra her martial arts.
YO I DID NOT EXPECT YOU TO MAKE AN AVATAR WHAT IF
LETS FUCKIN GOOOOO A PLUS ULTRA MAN WHAT IF ABOUT ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS IN ANIME
OOOOOOOOOOH CRAP! WE GOT ATLA WHAT IFS!!!
LET’S GOOOOO!!! AVATAR WHAT IFS! What if Aang died in the Iceberg and Yue became the Avatar? Instead of being saved and bonded to the Moon Spirit, she is born the avatar, but she is still close to the Moon and Ocean Spirits due to being the Avatar, and kinda gets sheltered like Korra was by being trained at the North Pole her whole life with the White Lotus sending masters to her to train her, and she needs to learn Air via connecting with her past life in Aang
Even if this was more of an analysis, I still love to see more ATLA What Ifs
Quite a welcome change to the usual Dragon Ball and Naruto installments we had. And I understand why you decided to do this what if and believe me, I understand. Toriyama may be gone, but he will live on through those he inspired. You are among them, too, Plus.
Frankly, I hadn't thought I'd want an Avatar what if at the moment since you were wanting to continue and/or wrap up your other stories that need tending to. But now, I'm hooked since Zuko early journey towards redemption sounds like something plenty of others thought up and either wrote down as a story, a one-shot, or even did a video on that. So I'm looking forward to what your first step to Avatar has in store for the likes of Zuko.
What if a few airbenders survived the 100 year war
I'd want to be an Earthbender if I could have one style. Also neat vid!
Interesting I just did rewatch of the anime last weekend 😂
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I wasn’t expecting this I’m down for it let’s go!
Hope to see more avatar what ifs
What if azula never went insane?
What if aang was killed by azula?
What if aang killed ozai?
What if ozai killed aang?
What if metal bending was discovered earlier?
What if zuko wasn’t a bender?
What if mai and ty lee were benders?
Azula mever going crazy is super interesting. Basically means katara amd zuko get murked, leaving azula as fire lord after ozai gets his bending taken
@@Satsaru Katara can beat Azula. She almost beat her in Ba Sing Se until the Dai Lee jumped her. And depending if it's a full moon on the night of Sozin's comet she could blood bend her.
If Azula killed Aang than it's a wrap for everybody. Raava would respawn in Vaatu inside the tree of time. Forever trapped inside the tree and unable to leave the spirit world. You get a world that's basically colonized by the fire nation.
i really like the concept, and it makes me want to suggest an idea for an au/what if ive been thinking about for a while: what if aang never left the air nomads. depending on how you structure the timeline it would be possible to have one of the members of the fire nation we have in canon take the place of avatar, which could be incredibly interesting for character arcs
My only decent ATLA what if idea is"What if Iroh escaped with the Gaang"during Crossroads of Destiny
Iroh… and Zuko… both training Aang? Oh jeez he’d be a fire bending monster! 🤣🤣🤣
Really hope you end up creating a rather long Avatar what if. Also would definitely pick Fire Bending because it is just kinda cool.
Air bending all the way 💨
Definitely would like to hear more what if's from other dhows besides my hero
Cool vid bro.😺
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
Definitely would not complain about more Avatar related What Ifs, a little variety never hurt.
Edit: I thought I said this someplace else or on the short but what about the idea of Zuko actually defeating Ozai in their Agni Kai?
An outcome nobody, not even the combatants would expect and I for one would love to see your take on such an event if you choose to do more Avatar content.
earth bending is super cool so that's the one i'd want
I do like of other variations of Avatar What if stories on your channel, Interesting dynamics and concepts test as a tribute of the netflix series as well as New What-if stories for Legend of Korra. There's one particular idea that, although started is a crossover, does have some merit as ideas for azula and her friends, Like a third party that will humble and open azula's eyes into a bigger picture of the war and an identity crisis of her worldviews while suffering a loss of drive, as well as opening team Avatar's concept of other benders in the fire nation, Accepting the truth of heroes on both sides: Dragon of Change by windstorm16
( The stories incomplete and there's no known updates for years; I hope you could complete it in your own way)
LET'S FUCKING GO
I would want Air as it just has so much potential for ease of life with enough control
I think it would be earth or fire bending for me
What if Ozai killed Zuko is a really good idea. I hope you decide to tackle that one.
Now this is a suprise
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What if raditz was in hazbin hotel 1 What if BARACK was in hazbin hotel 2
I have a idea what if King Kong was in The legend of Korra
Nice what if
I hit the line button IMMEDIATELY! Let's go!
What if Sokka learned chi blocking
i always wonder if sand and metal bending is a thing and basicly the minerals within it is bended wouldent bone bending be a thing ?
just a thought and has not much to do with the video but speaking generelly it should be just noone was as crazy as to think of it yet
I do definitely believe there is something to your idea of mixing bending styles however I don't think it's a straight power amp so much as it is a new way to use your fighting style. For instance toph is about as pure of an earthbender as you can be and she's one of the most powerful earthbenders ever. However adding metal into her repertoire didn't make her more powerful per say it just made her more versatile if you pursue Avatar what ifs I would focus more on the idea of versatility as opposed to actual power.
The thing is though just the increase in a bender's versatility is linked to their overall strength as a bender, everytime Aang or Katarra learned a new trick with waterbending in Book 1 their bending not only got more versatile but also demonstrably more powerful, as Sokka grew more confident and compotent as a leader the Team at its smallest also got more powerful as a group. Also its a bit too reductive to suggest I focused on power anymore than the series would need me to, Avatar is a series first set in a litteral centuries old war personal strength and millitary power are very major aspects of the series that are very carefully maintained and updated, I merely built on the idea I introduced in the original short and its impact on those things.
Iroh even says the culmination of all 4 elements in 1 person is part of what makes an avatar so inherently powerful even before we mention stuff like the avatar state, and that beyond that a greater understanding of the world crafting a more whole person and bender would increase Zuko's strength as well since its about of that cultural and spiritual enrichment concept I mention the series touches on, power in this case just referrs to the overall strength one can accomplish with a feat of bending and it is consistently shown that an increase in knowledge and experince increases one's control of their chi, teachings like Iroh's, the White, and Red lotus' also kinda back this.
And that Toph statement is also inherently incorrect because we litterally do see her achieve more impressive and powerful feats post learning metal bending as opposed to prior to, I mean inherently she would though she's strong just like Aang its important to remeber we meet Toph very young and she only got STRONGER since then lol.
Strength and power are an inherent aspect of bending and the world they will recieve focus no matter what happens, fire is litterally described as the element that represents them as concepts inherently, just as much as change or adaptability (water) grit and stability (earth) and freedom, spirituality, and exploration of the self and the world (air) are too. The point is that Iroh and basically the entire White Lotus getting to be more direct mentors to Team Avatar they would recieve such in increase in knowledge, experince, tactics, techniques, skills, and overall versatility that they would all be apart of a stronger force able to bring the war to an end and beyond that because the story would just be for the most part idealized to a point there isn't much sense in a drawn out narration of them just winning this is neither an accurate showing of what a drawn out Avatar story from me would be like, not a fair critcism at best and a really bad one at worst.
@@PlusUltraMan while I do understand your points I will say that understanding does not automatically equal power you made a great point pointing out that Zhao uses earthbending style techniques in his firebending however he is not a top-tier bender by any means. Like he's a good firebender but if part one Zuko can beat him I don't think understanding necessarily equals power.
And I'll give you that maybe tough is a bad example but I do not believe that Ozai is that guy is all fire and he is definitively one of the strongest vendors in the series still.
@@PlusUltraMan I'll also admit it's fully possible I'm not explaining what I'm saying properly
What if Zuko became the Dark Avatar during an early harmonic convergence.
What if season 3’s Zuko’s mind was transported back to his Book 1 self?
Toriyamas death cant limit our love of his creations! We should celebrate his life and achievements with our love for his work
What if sokka was a water bender ?
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04:18 Actually the Netflix series didn't contradict anything here. Iroh created lightning redirection by studying water benders and applying their technique into his own as a firebender, allowing him to discover an ability that technically every firebender could always do but just required a new perspective.
That's exactly what Aang does for Katara. He doesn't actually teach Katara how to waterbend (ironic since in the cartoon she was convinced that he could teach her) he simply takes the knowledge and teachings given to him by the monks and helps Katara apply those same teachings to her own technique as a water bender.
I really loved that change because it establishes long before Iroh teaches Zuko lightning redirection that benders can all learn from each other even if you don't use the same element, and the Avatar is a personification of that understanding, being the only one who can learn and master all 4 elements.
#1 You're making the exact same arguement I am by mentioning this, I talk for the vast majority of this video's runtime about the fact that contradiction or not, Iroh's teachings show Katara and Aang to both be wrong and right during ep1 since theybare both overall unexperinced benders.
#2 No it litterally is a contradiction, the original pilot aang and the aang from netflix both contradict the rule set in the original aired episode boy in the iceberg that a bender of a different element can't teach one they don't know that informs Aang's need to find teachers for water earth and fire. In the netflix versoonAang says an incredibly vague statement that just uses the terms energy and balance and after hearing that Katara is just immidiately better despite nothing he said being directly demonstated or shown how to be applied, it is not consistent with prior knoweldge or showings of the series and actively contradicts them because now netlfix Aang should just be able to apply the same vague bs when its time for earth and fire it would be just as analogous as him basically teaching waterbending basics with no grasp of them, now he's an even better bender so there is actually less excuse.
#3 If you like that change more power to you, but I think it shows a misunderstanding of the power system and a cheapening of the effort it takes to interact with it as a living breathing martial art one has to study and practice, Aang just being instantly able to spirit guru mumbo jumbo his allies into better benders just feels really hollow since its another one of those things the live action has no chance of challenging or evovling past the original with.
@@PlusUltraMan yeah I'll be honest I kinda regretted saying that afterwards, I thought you were saying that what the Netflix version did didn't make sense but it later became clear that's not what you meant.
So yeah, that's my b 🙃.
All good happens to all of us lol, I liked the live action well enough! Its an overall good apatation that added new stuff that warranted a new version, its a decent start so far season 2 and 3 can build off well at least
I was hoping the amagi would do the same thing
Can you do what if Sokka learns breathing techniques from demon slayer because it just a technique that strengthens your body so it makes sense if a person from the avatar universe learns it
I would go with earthbending.
What if Suki was either an Earthbender or a Waterbender?
What if Aang was freed from the iceberg fifty years early?
If I may ask, the last schedule said that Pirate Rob Lucci was supposed to come out on the day this one did. May I ask when its new release date will be? (If it's been decided, that is)
More than likely this coming Saturday(3/16)
@@PlusUltraMan Cool 👍
I see an upcoming problem of the prince is not in the war meeting so they don't know the plan to melt the earth nationn to the ground.
Is like the idea to wait till after the comit was a good idea, Is so they still would want to do that , and then there would just be no earth nation
I got one
What if Haki was in Avatar the last airbender?
Can you do what if Azula turned good? If you want to do another what if?
What if Avatar Aang learned Ultra instinct and its universe 6 of dragon ball super universe imagine aang with elemental power, charka power and Ultra instinct.
I want to see Zuko’s Fire as white
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Do a crossover WHAT IF: Avatar: The Last Airbender was set centuries after the events of Final Fantasy: 16. Simply put the story of Clive Rosfield is a retelling of the story of Wan: The First of The Avatar.
What if Korra didn’t have the Raava spirit taken out of her
Tough asf what if
While this what if is pretty fire (pun intended), i do wish you finish other series before starting new ones. Because now you have like 5 or 6 series to complete and thats a pain.
Not a series. This is all done as a oneshot. I've spent a lot of time and effort finishing up stories and have done so with a bunch there are more than 5 or 6 anyway. 99.9% of the time a story is on hiatus for writing and visuals quality, I've asked many times if people wamt those things savraficed for speed and frequncy, answer is always no so I don't even understand why this is brought up like a fault.
I wish people wouldn't try to suggest what they would do with my channel. I wish people were actually aware of anything about my channel and efforts so when they do this they don't say something completely incorrect. I wish people would actively watch and pay attention to these vids. Like I said litterally at the begining of the vid, I wish one of the most influential mangaka of all time didn't suddenly pass away because its wildly sad AND made every content creator that talks about a subject even mildly inspired or based off Toriyama's work very uncomfortable with making things to profit off his work and death so soon.
@@PlusUltraMan ... Point taken.
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Less a what-if and more a proof of concept for a what-if.
I think if Zuko joined Team Avatar early, it ultimately wouldn't lead to that much actually being different. That may seem bonkers, but if you think about it, they'd still go on the same jouney, just with 1 extra person. Or two if Iroh also joins.
Maybe Appa doesn't get taken, but they still end up in Ba Sing Se anyway. Maybe the Day of Black Sun goes differently, but ultimately, Aang still doesn't know energy bending, and won't bring himself to kill Ozai
A what if is not only one thing in only one way, if Carthu, Six, and Swag can title something a what if while doing about as much narrative writing or more extremely varied changes to the story as I did here. I don't see why I've gotta be labled the one doing a proof of concept. That just feels needlessly reductive and self contradictory since I feel like you yourself are already noting massive changes lol
Keep in mind though Appa's Lost Days and the events of Secrets of the Fire Nation, and the last half of Book 2 really are entirely structured around Appa not being around and Zuko struggling with a sense of self, oh and also Aang not knowing or at least not being willing to use fire bending.
If Appa isn't lost because Zuko or Iroh are there to help Toph than immidiately we skip anytime we waste getting out of the desert without him. That means we also get a chance to help even more refugees make their way to Ba Sing Se while skipping Serpents pass on the way there, and the group gets to see Azula's drill far before she gets close to the walls making it easier to stop it and she won't even get the opening of capturing and impersonating the Kiyoshi warriors since the only way they were found is because Appa was being tracked. This also means we don't meet Guru Patiq when we normally would which would change Aang's understanding and control of the avatar state.
This also means after we arrive to Ba Sing Se we don't waste any extra time playing politics with the Long Feng and the Dai Li who could probably just be defeated and exposed so the group can come back under control of the earth kingdom and cease the authoritarian avoidance of the war, which also means you'd have reformed Dai Li and probably even Jet's reformed freedom fighters a part of the forces on the day of black sun, the war ending there along would be a massive change to the verse.
@@PlusUltraMan that's fair. There could be some substantive story changes depending on how things go.
And sure, there's more than 1 way to do it. I'm just saying this comes off a bit more like telling rather than showing, y'know? Less like a what-if story, and more like the outline or overview of one. If other video creators had structured their video in the same way, I'd have the same critique.
I'm not saying that's an invalid way to structure a video. It's just not to my taste.
You should have used purple for ultraviolet coz. Ultraviolet fire actually does exist.
Could be theory couldn’t aang give sokka ozai’s bending
What if aang was like yangchen
W what if
What if zuko killed ozai during the eclipse?
Oh I am surprised that you did this what if
expanding a shorts huh? would this concept be called...pants?😏
What if Toph saved Appa during the desert? This is a interesting one since Aang and the rest of team avatar would be trapped in the spirit world. Aang would have to ask past avatars about a way out. Kuruk seems to know about Raava so he would probably know about the spirit portals. The Gaang goes to the Northern spirit portal since it's closer to Ba Sing Se. They would also meet Vaatu on their way out
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The mechs were a ridiculous jump in technological advancement I honestly think the series would be better without. I doubt any civilization could possibly have a Gundam before they developed smartphones.
I wonder if they would still go to the beachhouse and demolish someones else place during a party? iroh failing on tea with more than zuko. iroh using seduction in ba sing say to see who else would have been grossed out. see how much his patience ingeneral could be stretched with I am love these kids but sometimes bang zoom to the moon
Did you really just say if Toph watched somebody......😂
"I see with earthbending." Toph (ep 26)
@@PlusUltraMan I know I was just making a joke even Toph would have done the same.....and has.
What if deku was the Avatar
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I like seeing you tackle western cartoon what-if's, I'm a fan of your Dragon Ball content but diversifying really is making for interesting ideas.
This what if doesn’t take in account Appa not being able to fly Irohs fat
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