#78: The Importance of Drilling in Grappling
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Wrestlers and Judokas are known for their drilling. A common question I receive is whether I think drilling is important. Here I discuss that based on my experience and talk about what John Danaher said on Lex Friedman’s podcast
Wrestled a bunch in gi class yesterday. I have a few years of judo experience, so I was fine with the standing and scramble game. But the energy expenditure of standing up and squaring up crushed me by the end. I was gassed for rounds. But I'm proud I did as well as I did.
Oh hell yeah it is! Lol! At my age, I have to be cognizant of my energy expenditure. Because when I go full tilt, the recovery time between those hard flurries take more time to recover from lol!
haha I'm 31 and usually have the better cardio compared to my partners, but wrestling is a different beast. Feeling it today. @@josephbreza-grappling9459
He meant the solo drills like doing endless shrimps for 200 or 300 reps in a way that doesn't resemble actual applications are useless.
Drilling with partners is much better. If you need a workout, workout outside of practice.
Love that you explain that practice is practice not for trying to just win all the time.
Yes, and there was a good short where someone clipped what he said about how drilling in some schools wouldn’t pass as drilling. He is 100% correct about that
This guy is actually great, breaks down concepts so any level can understand! Got the wrestling for BJJ instructional and it was great! Just waiting for this channel to blow up!
Thanks man! I am so glad that you find the content useful. As a full time university professor, all I want is for people to learn in the most efficient way possible.
Yep, great take on the topic! That mid level intensity where you can actually work on sequences and stuff like you mention is so important imo.
No doubt man. In fact, that video where I showed the combo of the high crotch to the outside single was drilled into our heads so hard that we all had it down. The captain of our team was awesome at it. He would go HC to HC or HC to outside single and rarely came up empty handed
Your videos have been some of the most eye opening in the grappling sphere online so far, that are free. You have alluded to it in other videos, but could you make videos specifically related to entries and making the initial contact on your opponent. I would imagine that the the sequences are ad infinitum but some ideas would be helpful nonetheless, especially with no real wrestling experience other than trying to implement what we've learned in your videos on others.
Cheers,
I spent a lot of time on the approach and specific ways to deal with different stances on my instructional. The camera angles and production quality is much better than I can do at home. That’s all volunteer based. I can’t get a videographer for free. Some things I just can’t teach well with a static camera
Thanks for your kind comment and support
Thank you for the response, I will look into the instructional.
Looking forward to your next video as always!
@abdulabdulmalik8158 hopefully I can start posting again. I am 4 months past surgery and although I am doing well, I definitely not in a place to do judo or wrestling. Hopefully soon. Probably can do newaza before anything
I remember I went to a seminar at a school and I didn’t know anyone so me and one other person were last picked partners to drill the moves.
My luck it was a female white belt wrestler who had around 50-60 lbs on me.
Predictably she really jerked me all over the place, tried to pull my head off my shoulders… all during the “drilling reps” portion of the seminar.
I was like goddamn I wasn’t expecting to roughed up for 1 hour straight while providing no resistance
Lol! You can tell your partner this isn’t the world championship, lol!! I do that all the time. There’s got to be an agreement on these things
John does say similar stuff in terms of the first move often failing against high level opponents and you need to do a few moves in succession
Yes that is classic wrestling/judo at even low to mid level understanding. I am dropping a video today where I cover that. But it’s not “moves.” It’s sequences. I think he is aware of that, but he really isn’t there yet. There are serious serious levels to this shit. I am constantly humbled and I am have a serious understanding of this shit.
My judo instructor is so many fucking levels above me that I cannot even begin to comprehend what I don’t know. And that happens to me when I am coaching people how to chain wrestle…they want to know what “move” to do, and I am like “forget the move!” It’s not about that. It’s about having sequences like a boxer has. Have you ever seen how Tyson was still punching out his sequence as the guy was falling? That’s how automatic his sequences were. It wasn’t block, do a punch (move) followed by another punch (move) when that one doesn’t work. It’s a built in sequence.
I am gonna drop that video now
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 yeah I agree. An isolated move often doesn’t work. Someone super high level knows how to attenpt a move, and then based on the opponents defence, chain another one on top, which if defended, leads to another move being chained on. Ultimately as you say it becomes a sequence of moves. The moves in the sequence are dependent on the opponents reaction (eg weight distribution, hand/elbow position, stance)
@benhallo1553 correct! And you can actually have them preplanned, since contrary to what some people say, people move predictably. In judo for example, if I go for osoto gari, there’s only a few things he can do or else he is going down. So I know what his limited options are and before he can even execute them, I am already onto the next link in the chain. My judo coach is a frickin master of this shit and it blows my mind. His objective is to trap him to where nothing he does is the right answer. And this is how the underhook system I teach works as well. Seras taught me that system. So the greats think in similar ways. Best way is the most efficient tried and true way
@@josephbreza-grappling9459In chess they call it lines.. Like, there are only so many viable openings, and you should know the most popular ones and the lines that follow them. Knowing when to divert from the lines to surprise your opponent or just having more knowledge about what lines to do in response to your opponent wins the start of the game and sets it up nicely for the mid game
Thanks
Thoughts on throwing dummies and the best way to use them.
Would it be to have it strapped up and then just practice the uchi komi speed entries?
This is a good question. The ones I had growing up had no legs and were heavy as hell. They were for getting efficient with suplexes, over under throws, and front headlock pinch throws (greco). I think they are good for practicing entries and getting the right hip mobility, learning how to fall and pulling them into your lap and then popping your hips like I show on my instructional and on #25 when I was saying how if I get to the side bodylock I don’t want to push but pull him into my lap and pop my hips. They are excellent for that. If they have legs and are sufficiently heavy, hari goshi, uchi mata, ouchi gari, ko uchi gari, osoto gari, etc are all good
Great!
Boxing....mitt work is...DRILLING. Drilling has its place in ALL of combat sports. The problem is the BS filler driller....
Yeah no doubt. So they can fix that. At my old school, the best BJJ drillers were former wrestlers
Thank God somone saying it and actually explaining what good drilling is like.
I wana hurl every time i hear "ecological" bunch of made up marketing nonses.
In any case thats a great idea do the drilling at the end of class. My fuckin bones hurt and i got adhd. I cant stand drilling in the beginning of class, im damn near tweaking utill we can roll and i can get my joints moving.
Now positional sparring i can do that all day.
I appreciate that man.
Without a proper warm up, drilling is stiff. And when you’re cold it’s rough. I the gi in my 40s, because it keeps these old bones warm, lol
Probably why my head coach made us warm up before drilling, since it’s hard to start it up. Then at least you can get it going, then ramp it up. Then we would do various forms of situational sparring. Then live sparring. Afterwards we would sometimes do a hard “match” of drilling. If the class didn’t do it, my partner and I would do it, because we wanted to be as good as we could be. Definitely made your legs have stupid strength and endurance, because when done properly, you never even come out of your stance when you do a stand up and turn to face him. You should always maintain stance. The legs would be on fire man. But yeah or technique got stupid good and I know for a fact that my technique to this day is because of all that time spent honing those skills.
If it’s marketing nonsense then what are they marketing?
Someone call Greg. The repetition is leaking again.
Situational sparring with different nomenclature
@davidgordon5782 stupid shit. It's like the ice bath fad. Repackage it market your gym, ego, podcasts and books.
Drilling is way way overrated, live focused constraint based rounds all day.
That has its place but it cannot replace purposeful drilling. There’s a reason young boys in judo and wrestling are killers on their feet at such a young age. They don’t do that many live rounds at that age
@@josephbreza-grappling9459Well, it depents im from East Germany and even the old Wrestling Coaches who learned from soviet Coaches train Kids non linear. You can develp skills with both Methods.
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 ill give you that, but to really understand high level problem solving in all areas it has to be live, and to get a high level in all areas it has to be constrained to make sure your touching all areas equally as possible. Live just presents so many more problems and not to mention pressure and resistance, it just cannot be drilling and mindless live rounds is the best approach, live rounds can be constrained and hyper focused to touch live as if it were drilling.
@ryanthompson3446 I am not disagreeing with that. I am a wrestler of over 33 years now. We go live like crazy. Also, we do tons of positional rounds, which is giving each person a task. What Souders is describing is nothing new. But if you take brand new wrestlers and put them in situations, they will do the stupidest shit ever. They need direction. They need hard drilling. I don’t think most people know what hard drilling is. The way we did it in college, it was harder than live wrestling, because you do it explosively and your partner gives you resistance. The more they know, the more they make you have to push farther into your sequences. Then when you do this in a live situation, you are prepared for their reactions. People’s reactions are actually quite predictable. That’s what a set up is. I set up a reaction so you fall into my trap.
I agree that you learn both ways. I have never been to a wrestling room that doesn’t teach both ways. I learned from the Russian National team back in the early 90s and they certainly showed a lot of technique and has us drilling a lot.
It’s not one or the other. I also explicitly talked about both drilling and wrestling live. So I never chose a side-that is foolish