Honestly the reason I love your channel isn’t because you give me the “best” moves. It’s because you taught me fundamental things that even day one in a wrestling room I didn’t know. Please keep on teaching these fundamental things because that’s the thing that is changing my wresting game. (Please keep making specific move videos though they’ve levelled up my game as well)
Since I'm brazilian and never had the opportunity to practice wrestling in a wrestling class, I love your videos cause you give really good insights. I always have some ideas of what I should do when I hear you. Thank you man.
I read the title and knew what you would say😂. The clickbait didn't work but I still clicked. 100% true though. Especially important for beginners to understand this. Before I found you, like a year ago, I also sometimes watched those jiu jitsu guys that have no idea about wrestling and nothing they say made sence😂😂😂. You are great coach.
I hate clickbait, but as a teacher, I knew that it would be THE thing that people needed to hear when they clicked hoping there were simple answers to complex problems Thank you for the kind words brother
Since we are talking about sequences, there is an interesting story I want to tell you coach. You tought the head inside single, where you try to step over the leg of the opponent (can't remember the name, doesn't matter), the running the pipe and the high level single leg and I thought that they would combine perfectly in a sequence (before the instructional, where you tought is specifically). And I wrestled a dude, 20-30 kg heavier 7 years of experience, I had 1,5. I thought this would be the easiest sequence to hit, and hit him with that and he was shocked. When he defended a takedown he thought it was done, even though I planned that he would defend it, to hit the next and it all flowed because I knew what was going to happen and was fast therefor. I think his problem was that he did too much bjj grappling and the stuff like you know, moves instead of sequences etc. Showed him real wrestling there.
That’s it man! And the learning will continue forever. I am still learning more and more. That’s the fun part. Getting old and then having to rethink it to be more efficient
Theres a fun highlight of karen darebeyan throwing gary tononen with ippon seoi in nogi. Seeing him do it to tononen inspired me to punish the bjj (drilled to death) collar tie reaction when they get collar tied with a drop seoi. I NEVER do seoi in the gi, but when I can get bjj people to collar tie me back and they push on me, theyre going for a ride. Cheers, love the talks
We were taught to do that throw off the collar tie in wrestling too! There are several variations, but most people called it the Jap wizard. That’s technically when you fall back and then turn at the last second. The polish is another variation. I think the one where you turn all the way through is the most consistent. And as always it’s done off his push
Alternate video title: Wrestling is just chess with suplexes, gnomes cannot do uchimata ;) Jokes aside I love how you just disenchant supposedly magical stuff about wrestling and provide structure to discussion around grappling.
The “mysterious” thing has been exploited by so many bullshit martial artists to make money. Some BJJ people literally tried to do that with incorporating takedowns into BJJ and when it looks like shit fall back on the “well it’s not wrestling it’s Jiu Jitsu.” I refuse to make up bullshit to make money. I started my channel because I wanted to point out some of the charlatans and show you how this stuff really works. I knew that I would also get some backlash for it, which I have, but it doesn’t change the truth. Legit wrestlers don’t put the mystique on it. It’s people in BJJ who’ve never wrestled who do. Even the wrestling breakdown channels that have that mystique element to them are run by BJJ guys who never wrestled. Most people don’t know that they think they are learning how to wrestle by watching breakdowns from a nonwrestler who makes as many mistakes as he does accurate assessments.
I saw nicky ryan mentioned that he spends 80% of his time training with less skilled training partners outside of camp and when he is in camp,most of his training with equally skilled/better. I believe josef chen said the same thing. He trains at home and then spends his training camp at bteam.
You definitely can’t beat your body down all the time or you will have no ability to recover. 80% is a lot of time. I would recommend less time than that. Their culture is different. Wrestlers go super hard during the week and then take a day off. They train at a less intense pace but train twice a day. I think it’s important to have a day off to recover and to occupy your mind with other things.
Love the video! Do you have any recommendations/thoughts for solo drilling, as a beginner I have realized the importance of setting shots up and using deception and I am looking for ways to practice this when I can't get to the mats? I have tried drilling having the correct stance, practice some shot mechanics and sprawls and attempted some shadow wrestling (wasn't 100% sure what to do though so became repetitive)
We were actually going to put some of this into the instructional and didn’t…I visualize what grips I have and run through scenarios in my head as I maintain my stance and will use my mind to imagine as if he is there. I can use this to move and play it out. Makes you look crazy like all wrestlers do out there, but that is what we are all doing
Hey man big fan of your channel! As a 35 yr old brown belt who never wrestled I could use all the wrestling help I could get. Any thoughts on the ecological approach to learning/bjj as recently popularized by Greg Souders? I would love to hear your thoughts…thanks!!
Yes, I have listened to him a lot and it is exactly what I have seen done in every wrestling room I have ever been in. We all do situational sparring with rules for both people. He seems to be against drilling all together. Wrestling and judo use drilling, situational sparring, and live sparring. I think all are useful. But I don’t buy that everything is intuitive. After over 33 years at this and as a neuroscience professor I can promise you that you cannot rely on intuition 100%. I have numerous examples and actually essentially provide evidence of this every semester. It’s actually incredible how we are dumb monkeys. Lol. So I agree with positional sparring with parameters, but I disagree that it is the only way.
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Appreciate the long thought out response! Yeah I agree with the importance of situational sparring and specific goal setting. I teach a beginner’s bjj class, and I’ve used some simple games, but I do think instruction and drilling has its place. Thanks again for the response and the excellent channel coach!
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 So I'm one of those Jiu-Jitsu coaches who heavily emphasizes Wrestling despite never having wrestled. A few months after opening a very technical state champ Wrestler joined our gym and his commentary was "Hey it would be nice if rather than just showing techniques, you gave us goals and break down what the offensive person wants and the defensive person wants." At the time I was in a Danaher phase and thinking "How is that a class?" A year later I'm doing the ecological approach. Everything is made into a "live drill" or "game" with clearly defined objectives, win-conditions and constraints for both parties. We do Standing / Neutral position games every single practice. I take content from things like your instructional and figure out how to 'game-ify' it. It's working. We have older guys who were terrified of take downs and would only start on the knees, up on their feet, hand fighting, dragging, snapping. Every round starts on the feet. It might not seem like a big deal but for a neighborhood Jiu-Jitsu school it's huge.
@@heavybjj What I'm doing is having them play the games first, then providing insight and tips, then having them play the same game again. I will never go back to demonstrating 10 step sequences against a complaint uke.
Big fan of your chanbel as well as your instructional wrestling for jj. I got a question, when i get into my stance and push, to get the opponents push reactio, i often get arm dragged. Even though it mostly doesn't work and we just circle around a bit and then back to neutral, because i expect it to happen, it still messes up the rhythm of the hand fight and i cant seem to get my sequences going. What would you recommend?
Do that redrag that I showed where you step in the middle. You’ll win that exchange every time. He is just doing what he is supposed to do. So push with your legs more, not your arms, and when he drags, do that redrag where you end up with your leg on the inside. They have no idea what to do from there
Tbh I prefer how Danaher puts it: there is no single technique that's always preferred, but there are techniques that are better, and work more consistently on the top level, than others
Yes and for different rule sets like I described. And then you chain them together to make sequences and stay ahead of your opponent. That’s what set them all apart from everyone else from their leg locking sequences. They had an answer for everything and were steps ahead.
Thanks for the video! Two questions: is black belt level judo developing enough skill to compete with high school senior state competitor levels? Secondly, what level of wrestling do you think is used regularly in high level mma (ufc/one fc)
These are good questions. For the first one, I think it depends on when you started judo. When I wrestled in college, we had two high level judokas on the team and they were dangerous to say the least, LOL! Not in a bad way, just you never felt like you had control without the chance of getting thrown. They had a massive impact on my philosophy of coaching. The way to beat them was to stay on the frickin legs. Come up to the waist and get thrown. Walk around the back and get makilomi’ed. Back then, you could grab the legs. When I was done with collegiate wrestling, I went into judo and all the leg grabs were legal. So, if you have experience with defending leg attacks and attacking with them, you will do super well and adjust quickly. Head position is a lost art in judo, because you don’t have to defend the legs. For the second part-dude the range is HUGE! There have been Olympians in MMA. Henry Cejudo was taken down man. These guys have legit wrestling coaches now. And it is different in that striking SUBSTANTIALLY changes the game. I would say that if you want to survive these days, your wrestling needs to be at a pretty high level HS wrestler. The wall changes things for sure, but the escaping from the bottom with folkstyle techniques is absolutely essential
@josephbreza-grappling9459 amazing response thank you! I think you might be right that mma wrestling may be a specialized hybrid all on its own that can be higher level than pure wrestling for its purposes. I just wonder if Judo has a seat at the table for anything other than itself. Judo for bjj seems inferior to wrestling when you add no gi. Same with judo for mma. It seems like an inefficient use of time to pair with BJJ or use in MMA
@mikea7732 for what it is worth though, the judokas on my collegiate wrestling team OWNED me. And everyone else. If you learn wrestling-specifically the stance, head position, and some leg defense-you will be a serious threat my man. In BJJ, you will have A TON of people try to walk around your back when you have the overhook. People teach that single leg to side bodylock transition and they all just hand you inside hip position. As a judoka, you are going to leave permanent dents in the mat from throwing them with uchi mata, hari goshi, makikomi, etc
🎉I am not sure if youre familiar with Jon Thomas and his BJJ channel but he had a very similar POV but from guard i.e., you have to go with what the other person is giving you not necessarily what you want to do.
Absolutely love him!! Not sure why he fell off the algorithm, because I haven’t watched a video from him in a long time, but I will search him up again to get him back on the recommended videos train
Given the comment about body type etc - any wrestling you like for when you're significantly taller that your oppt? Generally assumption is you're similar weight/height
It’s way less important in wrestling because of the stance. I judo it is definitely important because you have an upright stance. If you’re significantly taller than your opponent in BJJ, then you have the advantage of pulling people to front headlocks. Push until they stop you then snap and cover their head with your chest
I had ACL reconstruction and meniscus repair 4 months ago. I will be choosing my training partners wisely from here on out man. I am tired of getting injured. My sensei is a 7th degree coral belt and won several national titles as far as I know
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Hmm, don't think so. From Flo: "2019 Final X Champion, 2017 U.S World team Trials Champion, three-time Pan-American Champion, 2017 U.S. Open Champion." I'd link you to this, but UA-cam seems to kill comments that have links- his instructional is Effective Greco Roman Wrestling.
Yeah I know who he is, but I haven’t watched his instructional. To be frank, I wouldn’t buy an instructional on greco, because I am not competing in greco anymore and Andy Seras was my greco coach, so I literally had the best greco coach in the country. If he is that successful, then I would definitely listen to him
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Ah, interesting. Is that because Greco isn't as effective unless you're that high of a level of technique? My interest was because of the stance for MMA and JJ. Seems like a lot of stuff transfers, but you know way more about this.
@Mattchew2232 I think greco is super effective. My point is, why would I watch a greco instructional when I am not currently competing in greco and my coach was the head coach of the greco olympic and world teams? I already know a lot of greco, so I don’t watch greco instructionals. You might find it useful, but I wouldn’t find it that useful, because I had the best greco coach around.
Everyone wants to learn about a super special secret move to take down anyone of all shapes and sizes. NO one wants to hear that they need to work on their stance, footwork, gripping and kuzushi lmfao.
I fell into this trap when I was a kid. Isn’t there a more easy solution? Like making up new shit? Nope, because anything you make up isn’t new, lol. Yeah the old coaches that annoyed me with their simple answers like “head, control his head.” “Stance, you need a strong stance.” Well, they were right
Honestly the reason I love your channel isn’t because you give me the “best” moves. It’s because you taught me fundamental things that even day one in a wrestling room I didn’t know. Please keep on teaching these fundamental things because that’s the thing that is changing my wresting game. (Please keep making specific move videos though they’ve levelled up my game as well)
Thank you! Yeah hopefully soon here I can start showing stuff on the mat again. The knee is getting better and better
I agree I also appreciate learning here the fundamentals, hand fighting, etc that we don’t focus so much in jj
Since I'm brazilian and never had the opportunity to practice wrestling in a wrestling class, I love your videos cause you give really good insights. I always have some ideas of what I should do when I hear you. Thank you man.
Thank you! I am glad that you find it helpful
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I read the title and knew what you would say😂. The clickbait didn't work but I still clicked.
100% true though. Especially important for beginners to understand this. Before I found you, like a year ago, I also sometimes watched those jiu jitsu guys that have no idea about wrestling and nothing they say made sence😂😂😂.
You are great coach.
I hate clickbait, but as a teacher, I knew that it would be THE thing that people needed to hear when they clicked hoping there were simple answers to complex problems
Thank you for the kind words brother
Since we are talking about sequences, there is an interesting story I want to tell you coach.
You tought the head inside single, where you try to step over the leg of the opponent (can't remember the name, doesn't matter), the running the pipe and the high level single leg and I thought that they would combine perfectly in a sequence (before the instructional, where you tought is specifically). And I wrestled a dude, 20-30 kg heavier 7 years of experience, I had 1,5.
I thought this would be the easiest sequence to hit, and hit him with that and he was shocked. When he defended a takedown he thought it was done, even though I planned that he would defend it, to hit the next and it all flowed because I knew what was going to happen and was fast therefor. I think his problem was that he did too much bjj grappling and the stuff like you know, moves instead of sequences etc. Showed him real wrestling there.
That’s it man! And the learning will continue forever. I am still learning more and more. That’s the fun part. Getting old and then having to rethink it to be more efficient
Theres a fun highlight of karen darebeyan throwing gary tononen with ippon seoi in nogi. Seeing him do it to tononen inspired me to punish the bjj (drilled to death) collar tie reaction when they get collar tied with a drop seoi. I NEVER do seoi in the gi, but when I can get bjj people to collar tie me back and they push on me, theyre going for a ride. Cheers, love the talks
We were taught to do that throw off the collar tie in wrestling too! There are several variations, but most people called it the Jap wizard. That’s technically when you fall back and then turn at the last second. The polish is another variation. I think the one where you turn all the way through is the most consistent. And as always it’s done off his push
Alternate video title: Wrestling is just chess with suplexes, gnomes cannot do uchimata
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Jokes aside I love how you just disenchant supposedly magical stuff about wrestling and provide structure to discussion around grappling.
The “mysterious” thing has been exploited by so many bullshit martial artists to make money. Some BJJ people literally tried to do that with incorporating takedowns into BJJ and when it looks like shit fall back on the “well it’s not wrestling it’s Jiu Jitsu.”
I refuse to make up bullshit to make money. I started my channel because I wanted to point out some of the charlatans and show you how this stuff really works. I knew that I would also get some backlash for it, which I have, but it doesn’t change the truth. Legit wrestlers don’t put the mystique on it. It’s people in BJJ who’ve never wrestled who do. Even the wrestling breakdown channels that have that mystique element to them are run by BJJ guys who never wrestled. Most people don’t know that they think they are learning how to wrestle by watching breakdowns from a nonwrestler who makes as many mistakes as he does accurate assessments.
I saw nicky ryan mentioned that he spends 80% of his time training with less skilled training partners outside of camp and when he is in camp,most of his training with equally skilled/better. I believe josef chen said the same thing. He trains at home and then spends his training camp at bteam.
You definitely can’t beat your body down all the time or you will have no ability to recover. 80% is a lot of time. I would recommend less time than that. Their culture is different. Wrestlers go super hard during the week and then take a day off. They train at a less intense pace but train twice a day. I think it’s important to have a day off to recover and to occupy your mind with other things.
Love the video! Do you have any recommendations/thoughts for solo drilling, as a beginner I have realized the importance of setting shots up and using deception and I am looking for ways to practice this when I can't get to the mats? I have tried drilling having the correct stance, practice some shot mechanics and sprawls and attempted some shadow wrestling (wasn't 100% sure what to do though so became repetitive)
We were actually going to put some of this into the instructional and didn’t…I visualize what grips I have and run through scenarios in my head as I maintain my stance and will use my mind to imagine as if he is there. I can use this to move and play it out. Makes you look crazy like all wrestlers do out there, but that is what we are all doing
High level stuff, D1 stuff guys.
Preach 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Hey man big fan of your channel! As a 35 yr old brown belt who never wrestled I could use all the wrestling help I could get.
Any thoughts on the ecological approach to learning/bjj as recently popularized by Greg Souders? I would love to hear your thoughts…thanks!!
Yes, I have listened to him a lot and it is exactly what I have seen done in every wrestling room I have ever been in. We all do situational sparring with rules for both people. He seems to be against drilling all together. Wrestling and judo use drilling, situational sparring, and live sparring. I think all are useful. But I don’t buy that everything is intuitive. After over 33 years at this and as a neuroscience professor I can promise you that you cannot rely on intuition 100%. I have numerous examples and actually essentially provide evidence of this every semester. It’s actually incredible how we are dumb monkeys. Lol. So I agree with positional sparring with parameters, but I disagree that it is the only way.
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Appreciate the long thought out response!
Yeah I agree with the importance of situational sparring and specific goal setting.
I teach a beginner’s bjj class, and I’ve used some simple games, but I do think instruction and drilling has its place.
Thanks again for the response and the excellent channel coach!
@heavybjj thank you! Good luck with your classes
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 So I'm one of those Jiu-Jitsu coaches who heavily emphasizes Wrestling despite never having wrestled. A few months after opening a very technical state champ Wrestler joined our gym and his commentary was "Hey it would be nice if rather than just showing techniques, you gave us goals and break down what the offensive person wants and the defensive person wants." At the time I was in a Danaher phase and thinking "How is that a class?"
A year later I'm doing the ecological approach. Everything is made into a "live drill" or "game" with clearly defined objectives, win-conditions and constraints for both parties. We do Standing / Neutral position games every single practice. I take content from things like your instructional and figure out how to 'game-ify' it.
It's working. We have older guys who were terrified of take downs and would only start on the knees, up on their feet, hand fighting, dragging, snapping. Every round starts on the feet. It might not seem like a big deal but for a neighborhood Jiu-Jitsu school it's huge.
@@heavybjj What I'm doing is having them play the games first, then providing insight and tips, then having them play the same game again.
I will never go back to demonstrating 10 step sequences against a complaint uke.
Big fan of your chanbel as well as your instructional wrestling for jj. I got a question, when i get into my stance and push, to get the opponents push reactio, i often get arm dragged. Even though it mostly doesn't work and we just circle around a bit and then back to neutral, because i expect it to happen, it still messes up the rhythm of the hand fight and i cant seem to get my sequences going. What would you recommend?
Do that redrag that I showed where you step in the middle. You’ll win that exchange every time. He is just doing what he is supposed to do. So push with your legs more, not your arms, and when he drags, do that redrag where you end up with your leg on the inside. They have no idea what to do from there
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 thanks a lot 🙏
Tbh I prefer how Danaher puts it: there is no single technique that's always preferred, but there are techniques that are better, and work more consistently on the top level, than others
Yes and for different rule sets like I described. And then you chain them together to make sequences and stay ahead of your opponent. That’s what set them all apart from everyone else from their leg locking sequences. They had an answer for everything and were steps ahead.
Thanks for the video! Two questions: is black belt level judo developing enough skill to compete with high school senior state competitor levels? Secondly, what level of wrestling do you think is used regularly in high level mma (ufc/one fc)
These are good questions. For the first one, I think it depends on when you started judo. When I wrestled in college, we had two high level judokas on the team and they were dangerous to say the least, LOL! Not in a bad way, just you never felt like you had control without the chance of getting thrown. They had a massive impact on my philosophy of coaching. The way to beat them was to stay on the frickin legs. Come up to the waist and get thrown. Walk around the back and get makilomi’ed.
Back then, you could grab the legs. When I was done with collegiate wrestling, I went into judo and all the leg grabs were legal. So, if you have experience with defending leg attacks and attacking with them, you will do super well and adjust quickly. Head position is a lost art in judo, because you don’t have to defend the legs.
For the second part-dude the range is HUGE! There have been Olympians in MMA. Henry Cejudo was taken down man. These guys have legit wrestling coaches now. And it is different in that striking SUBSTANTIALLY changes the game. I would say that if you want to survive these days, your wrestling needs to be at a pretty high level HS wrestler. The wall changes things for sure, but the escaping from the bottom with folkstyle techniques is absolutely essential
@josephbreza-grappling9459 amazing response thank you! I think you might be right that mma wrestling may be a specialized hybrid all on its own that can be higher level than pure wrestling for its purposes. I just wonder if Judo has a seat at the table for anything other than itself. Judo for bjj seems inferior to wrestling when you add no gi. Same with judo for mma. It seems like an inefficient use of time to pair with BJJ or use in MMA
@mikea7732 for what it is worth though, the judokas on my collegiate wrestling team OWNED me. And everyone else. If you learn wrestling-specifically the stance, head position, and some leg defense-you will be a serious threat my man. In BJJ, you will have A TON of people try to walk around your back when you have the overhook. People teach that single leg to side bodylock transition and they all just hand you inside hip position. As a judoka, you are going to leave permanent dents in the mat from throwing them with uchi mata, hari goshi, makikomi, etc
🎉I am not sure if youre familiar with Jon Thomas and his BJJ channel but he had a very similar POV but from guard i.e., you have to go with what the other person is giving you not necessarily what you want to do.
Absolutely love him!! Not sure why he fell off the algorithm, because I haven’t watched a video from him in a long time, but I will search him up again to get him back on the recommended videos train
Given the comment about body type etc - any wrestling you like for when you're significantly taller that your oppt? Generally assumption is you're similar weight/height
It’s way less important in wrestling because of the stance. I judo it is definitely important because you have an upright stance. If you’re significantly taller than your opponent in BJJ, then you have the advantage of pulling people to front headlocks. Push until they stop you then snap and cover their head with your chest
Hello brother. Is there any opportunities to come train with you? Also how is your Sensei in judo ?
I had ACL reconstruction and meniscus repair 4 months ago. I will be choosing my training partners wisely from here on out man. I am tired of getting injured.
My sensei is a 7th degree coral belt and won several national titles as far as I know
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 of course , just asking from more of a coaching perspective . I don’t wish to wrestle you.
@theodrake2394 it will be a little bit before I can do much and be useful. Hopefully in like 4-5 months
Joe, are you familiar with Pat Smith? He has an instructional on sale about the basics of Greco. Wanted to know if you had an opinion. Appreciate you!
The 4x NCAA champion?
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Hmm, don't think so. From Flo: "2019 Final X Champion, 2017 U.S World team Trials Champion, three-time Pan-American Champion, 2017 U.S. Open Champion." I'd link you to this, but UA-cam seems to kill comments that have links- his instructional is Effective Greco Roman Wrestling.
Yeah I know who he is, but I haven’t watched his instructional. To be frank, I wouldn’t buy an instructional on greco, because I am not competing in greco anymore and Andy Seras was my greco coach, so I literally had the best greco coach in the country. If he is that successful, then I would definitely listen to him
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Ah, interesting. Is that because Greco isn't as effective unless you're that high of a level of technique? My interest was because of the stance for MMA and JJ. Seems like a lot of stuff transfers, but you know way more about this.
@Mattchew2232 I think greco is super effective. My point is, why would I watch a greco instructional when I am not currently competing in greco and my coach was the head coach of the greco olympic and world teams? I already know a lot of greco, so I don’t watch greco instructionals.
You might find it useful, but I wouldn’t find it that useful, because I had the best greco coach around.
Everyone wants to learn about a super special secret move to take down anyone of all shapes and sizes. NO one wants to hear that they need to work on their stance, footwork, gripping and kuzushi lmfao.
I fell into this trap when I was a kid. Isn’t there a more easy solution? Like making up new shit? Nope, because anything you make up isn’t new, lol. Yeah the old coaches that annoyed me with their simple answers like “head, control his head.” “Stance, you need a strong stance.” Well, they were right
And that move is the arm trap tani otoshi… take anyone down up to nidan 😂
@fozzit I was referring to Uchi Makikomi
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