@@orionaraujo4553 insanity. My guess is that fuel economy regulations and emissions regulations(based on vehicle size) is what is holding these larger engines from being in these smaller cars.
@@beemerdek Assuming we are talking about the only close to decent 5 series, the 2024+ 540i, I would never call 4370 Ibs light at all. You can't bring in the M5, because thats 5390 pounds as well.
That is the case for all mild hybrid setups from BMW starting since about 2021. We have a 22 x7 40i and it's the same situation. Sport mode only is what deactivates start stop. However with the mild hybrid it's nearly seamless and we don't mind it.
Shop car project: Swap in f90 zf8 and custom driveshafts, remove the heavy duty wiring and code out the hybrid codes. It'll be some work for sure but could work.
You are a humbling wealth of knowledge. I am leveraging you to motivate my kids to learn, presently how to read data logs to understand the rev range our humble n26's turbo covers, and what possible twin arrangements might help, whether water injection might do us any favors etc. I am trying to sniff out of them whether they might have both the interest and engineering brain potential, you know? Only problem is my nine year old, who just asked what would happen if we swapped in a k24a/k20 into our 328, has an obnoxious beat boxing habit and your outros are "enabling" him - oh well. Thanks!
The last S63 with the TU was the best version. You still have to deal with HBR plastics going to shit, oil leaks, injectors, coils and spark plugs. If it is overheated, the motor is trash and some of the hoses are impossible to change without removing everything.
The biggest issue I have with the S68 is the fact that the rods appear to be similar which was the biggest weakness on the S63. You had to limit the TQ when tuning or you would bend a rod. The rods would bend before the turbos were maxxed out.
@@WhatsyourForte yeah man, idk that the rod bearings and crank stuff that they improved were a limiting factor. But i guess because now an Alpina X7 comes with more power than an F90 CS, we can hope it holds up better
That's an interesting, unexpected take. I'd have guessed the X3MC would feel WAAY faster and more responsive. Can you give more info on the difference? I have an M60i on order.
@ you basically need to go above 4500rpm to really enjoy the S58, the S68 M60i is programmed to start punching from 1600rpm so the power is here right away. The X3 is better on freeway for sure! Most of my driving is on city hills so I need power early. I just wish the M60i was programmed to shift quickly, too much lag between gears. The X5mc tho is programmed like the X3mc, power is only available high up and switches a lot quicker (on the same engine, turbo and gearbox…) it’s all about software
@@Brikzilla lmao mines single turbo pi and aggressively driven for almost 30k miles 0 issues. maybe you shouldn’t generalize something if you can’t get your hands on it and see how it is yourself.
Do you think the long block can be plug and play into recent s63 vehicles? Tough to tell if there are additional sensors and many oem parts aren't shown online yet.
Excellent video thank you! Also starting in 2024 the Range Rover p530 and SV p615 get the S68 engine. I am curious what mileage you recommend for the first oil service on the s68 engine and the intervals there after? I inquired with a few independent shops and was told that BMW “block tests” all of their M engines before they install them in the cars and so they are essentially breaking in the engines and flushing them out before they are installed, so you no longer need to do the 1,200 miles first oil change and could wait until 5k miles. I would love to know you thoughts and also how should you break in the engine, should you drive it hard or be gentle until the first oil change?
The only way to solve all the heat related issues in the hot vee configuration is to make it a PHEV. The weight argument I just don't get because it's a boat already. Also just imagine hearing the electric motor being quiet until you hit sport plus and the V8 with an aftermarket exhaust cuts on.
Well I think they went the route of the xm, in the sense that, they know people wouldn’t buy an x8 so named it xm similarly to this they know people would associate the old problems to the new engine so they gave it a fresh name
Changing Blocks is very expensive. You want to keep the same bore, stroke etc. Setting up a brand new assembly line for what is a niche engine isn't cheap.
Question. Does the entire engine get lubricated with engine oil instantly-1 second of start up? Does that mean I can technically start and go but take it light till oil is hot?
N63TU3 is definitely reliable as far as the BMW V8 goes. Most of the issues with the N63 have been resolved over time. BMW coils, fueling issues, and other issues have been addressed with the TU version. The problem is always going to be with heat retention which kills plastics.
@kern417 - can you explain why it so silent? I have the x7m60i with "Sport Exhaust" and it just doesn't sound like my old 750i LCI. It is such a shame that all new amgs sound so good and the new BMWs sound like boring cars...
@@Herofmine from BMW press release: The new S68 4.4-liter V8 engine in the 2024 BMW X5 M Competition and X6 M Competition is notable for its sharper response and increased efficiency compared to its predecessor. As well as a cross-bank exhaust manifold, the engine now also features a reinforced crankshaft drive, further developed turbocharging - mounted close to the exhaust manifold and with an electrically controlled blow-off valve - plus a new air intake duct, a new vane-type oil pump and a weight-optimized plastic oil sump.
@@ISLAMICSTORIES13it's not a nightmare. Just most expensive but again they want to sell these to new buyers. After the car is used, out of warranty, you definitely want to be ready to fix your own car. Paying someone to work on any BMW can easily bankrupt the average Joe
Absolute bullshit they made the M550i which was supposed to be an M560i with S68 an electric car… only way to get this engine in not a boat is in a 7 series (which is a yacht instead)
I remember being a tech in a BMW shop 10 years ago when the N63 was new. I remember all of them in with stretched timing chains. 🤮 One of the worst engines ever made, but I have a lot of hope for the S68
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The s68 is great but all the cars its in are cruise ships 😂
The x5mc (let alone the m5) with rear steer is likely a better sports car than the majority of the cars the b58 comes in.
@@MrErball B58 cars arent M cars so that makes sense. But b58 cars are mostly tuned to be fast in a straight line which it excels at
@@MrErball LMAO no way. supra and m240i/m340i with M peformance suspension will destroy an x5 on the track.
@@ISLAMICSTORIES13so that’s not stock for stock then. You’re proving his point.
Lmao
Almost 2 years and zero issues. Nothing but positive experience so far.
Its a shame that we don't see this engine in smaller and lighter chassis.
@@TheWeavingBagel honestly their biggest mistake.
S68 in a Z4 would be sweet 😎
@@orionaraujo4553 insanity. My guess is that fuel economy regulations and emissions regulations(based on vehicle size) is what is holding these larger engines from being in these smaller cars.
5 series is very light. Nearly as light as the 3 series
@@beemerdek Assuming we are talking about the only close to decent 5 series, the 2024+ 540i, I would never call 4370 Ibs light at all. You can't bring in the M5, because thats 5390 pounds as well.
You just became my favorite UA-cam man I have been searching for this for 4 weeks
I have a 23 X7 M60i and this engine is a beast. Only downside is I cannot shut off the start / stop in comfort mode
Idk how long you’ve had it but how reliable do you think k it is, really want a v8 from bmw
Try using Bimmercode to turn off start/stop
That is the case for all mild hybrid setups from BMW starting since about 2021. We have a 22 x7 40i and it's the same situation. Sport mode only is what deactivates start stop. However with the mild hybrid it's nearly seamless and we don't mind it.
The XM grew on me it goes hard in the right colors that is not a luxury dominated truck it’s a Muscle truck with luxury features
Please break down the hot v n63/s63s next please
I'd love your take on the S65 & 85
New to your channel. Awesome content and easy to follow!
Shop car project: Swap in f90 zf8 and custom driveshafts, remove the heavy duty wiring and code out the hybrid codes. It'll be some work for sure but could work.
Thanks for clearing the e vanos system
Can you do one of these for the lesser rich n55 guys
Great video. Keep up the great work. I learn a lot by watching your videos.
Another great video!
I just heardThe S68 will also be in the upcoming landrover Defenfer Octa! Never thought we would see this engine in an offroad beast.
2:40 almost spat my coffee out
Wow! This guy knows his stuff.
You are a humbling wealth of knowledge. I am leveraging you to motivate my kids to learn, presently how to read data logs to understand the rev range our humble n26's turbo covers, and what possible twin arrangements might help, whether water injection might do us any favors etc. I am trying to sniff out of them whether they might have both the interest and engineering brain potential, you know? Only problem is my nine year old, who just asked what would happen if we swapped in a k24a/k20 into our 328, has an obnoxious beat boxing habit and your outros are "enabling" him - oh well. Thanks!
Could you please do one about the S63 please I wanna see what your take is on that platform
The last S63 with the TU was the best version. You still have to deal with HBR plastics going to shit, oil leaks, injectors, coils and spark plugs. If it is overheated, the motor is trash and some of the hoses are impossible to change without removing everything.
The biggest issue I have with the S68 is the fact that the rods appear to be similar which was the biggest weakness on the S63. You had to limit the TQ when tuning or you would bend a rod. The rods would bend before the turbos were maxxed out.
@@WhatsyourForte yeah man, idk that the rod bearings and crank stuff that they improved were a limiting factor. But i guess because now an Alpina X7 comes with more power than an F90 CS, we can hope it holds up better
@@kern417 yeah I saw that burgertuning (JB4) made 800 wheel on the XM so I will let the shops test out the limits first 😂
If you are bending rods, then the maximum torque should be limited.
@@brarautorepairs 100% just compared to the competition, the M5 had the weakest engine vs the RS7 and E63s
It's high torque/low rpm situations that bend rods. If the max torque is pushed way higher in the rpm band, it'll be ok.
Great video bro
I just got an X5 M60i S68, coming from the X3MC, oh boy that's a LOT better! lots of power without struggle it's a beast
That's an interesting, unexpected take. I'd have guessed the X3MC would feel WAAY faster and more responsive. Can you give more info on the difference? I have an M60i on order.
@ you basically need to go above 4500rpm to really enjoy the S58, the S68 M60i is programmed to start punching from 1600rpm so the power is here right away.
The X3 is better on freeway for sure!
Most of my driving is on city hills so I need power early.
I just wish the M60i was programmed to shift quickly, too much lag between gears.
The X5mc tho is programmed like the X3mc, power is only available high up and switches a lot quicker (on the same engine, turbo and gearbox…) it’s all about software
Bro this style of video for a S63 engine plzzzzz
Break down the s55 next!
Or n55
Its gonna break down on its own anyways 😂😂
@@Brikzilla lmao mines single turbo pi and aggressively driven for almost 30k miles 0 issues. maybe you shouldn’t generalize something if you can’t get your hands on it and see how it is yourself.
@@ImThatGUY42069 m50 is the best i6 bmw ever made besides s38 or s54
I loved this content
Do you think the long block can be plug and play into recent s63 vehicles? Tough to tell if there are additional sensors and many oem parts aren't shown online yet.
Excellent video thank you! Also starting in 2024 the Range Rover p530 and SV p615 get the S68 engine. I am curious what mileage you recommend for the first oil service on the s68 engine and the intervals there after?
I inquired with a few independent shops and was told that BMW “block tests” all of their M engines before they install them in the cars and so they are essentially breaking in the engines and flushing them out before they are installed, so you no longer need to do the 1,200 miles first oil change and could wait until 5k miles. I would love to know you thoughts and also how should you break in the engine, should you drive it hard or be gentle until the first oil change?
S65 > S68. I also own an e92 m3 so there is some bias haha. Great video.
Now all we need is a good chassis 👌
@kern417 hey I’m a new follower and your videos are great! Question, why don’t I see the link for the technical training on this one? Thanks!
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The only way to solve all the heat related issues in the hot vee configuration is to make it a PHEV. The weight argument I just don't get because it's a boat already. Also just imagine hearing the electric motor being quiet until you hit sport plus and the V8 with an aftermarket exhaust cuts on.
Do the n54!!
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Is swap a S68 in a 2017 Alpina B6 relatively plug and play?
S55 please😢
Does it run E85 or E30?
Have a question how much power you think the s68 can handle? Max
To your right, is that a VW Passat CC?
Is it the one with the 3.6 VR6 engine?
Is the S68 not a new block casting? They should’ve called it the s63tu4 or whatever iteration of this engine it is at this point.
Well I think they went the route of the xm, in the sense that, they know people wouldn’t buy an x8 so named it xm similarly to this they know people would associate the old problems to the new engine so they gave it a fresh name
Changing Blocks is very expensive. You want to keep the same bore, stroke etc. Setting up a brand new assembly line for what is a niche engine isn't cheap.
Can you talk about audi rs7 please
Question. Does the entire engine get lubricated with engine oil instantly-1 second of start up?
Does that mean I can technically start and go but take it light till oil is hot?
Idling is not good for the car so id definitely recommend you to wait atleast till coldstart is over and go and drive n keep the engine rpm low
So I’ve got a 2020 X7 M50i and was wondering would that be the same engine or is it a previous generation of engine
2020 is N63
@@kern417 awesome thanks for the response
What about the n63tu3 in the 2020 m550s
N63TU3 is definitely reliable as far as the BMW V8 goes. Most of the issues with the N63 have been resolved over time. BMW coils, fueling issues, and other issues have been addressed with the TU version.
The problem is always going to be with heat retention which kills plastics.
If the S58 can make 1000 on a stock engine, I’m extremely curious to see what the S68 can do when it’s fully unlocked.
Everyone seems to be concerned with the weight of the new M5 but with the new S68 I feel like it should fair well. What are your thoughts ?
@kern417 - can you explain why it so silent? I have the x7m60i with "Sport Exhaust" and it just doesn't sound like my old 750i LCI. It is such a shame that all new amgs sound so good and the new BMWs sound like boring cars...
I thought the 2020 X7 M50i also has an S68 engine
Just imagine BMW decided to bring back the M1 with the s68 instead of a hideous SUV for the 50th anniversary of M 😭
I believe current X5/6m still uses S63, from suv’s only XM and X7 m60i has S68. Fyi
@@Herofmine from BMW press release:
The new S68 4.4-liter V8 engine in the 2024 BMW X5 M Competition and X6 M Competition is notable for its sharper response and increased efficiency compared to its predecessor. As well as a cross-bank exhaust manifold, the engine now also features a reinforced crankshaft drive, further developed turbocharging - mounted close to the exhaust manifold and with an electrically controlled blow-off valve - plus a new air intake duct, a new vane-type oil pump and a weight-optimized plastic oil sump.
@ that is awesome! Thanks for
Info, interesting if anyone would retrofit into F90 in future!
I love my F90 and planning to keep it long time
Does the m850i or m8 have it ?
The m8 has s63 and the 850i has N63
not yet next gen will. but they may be switching back to the 6 series.
They should put it in the m3
The hot Vee engines are good at cooking oil.
yeah hot Vs are nightmares maintenance wise. and it only makes 530 without electic motors which the s58 can do. kinda pointless.
@@ISLAMICSTORIES13it's not a nightmare. Just most expensive but again they want to sell these to new buyers. After the car is used, out of warranty, you definitely want to be ready to fix your own car. Paying someone to work on any BMW can easily bankrupt the average Joe
Nice video, basically like a typical bmw way of an engine but emissions regulation ruined it
Sounds like this engine long block can be swapped in my m850
Ain’t no one on this channel gonna have a S86, most of them are in ceo or grandpa spec bmw’s. And the new M5 ain’t out yet
we still gonna have to take the heads off at 100k miles like on every single one of these motors from the last gen?
Unless you get a PHEV to limit the miles on the engine.
You are very wrong about port injection. Russians did billet aluminum one.
they needed to strengthen these because they are putting them in boats
Absolute bullshit they made the M550i which was supposed to be an M560i with S68 an electric car… only way to get this engine in not a boat is in a 7 series (which is a yacht instead)
Land Rover are using the s68 engine in there cars
I'll never own this car 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
The BMW N63 first edition enters the room 😃 DISASTER! Talkb about the first edition and then the first technical update... yikes!
Can you make a video about a n54🙏🏿🙏🏿
The 8 series too
Actually no - the facelift keeps the old version of the v8.
I remember being a tech in a BMW shop 10 years ago when the N63 was new.
I remember all of them in with stretched timing chains. 🤮
One of the worst engines ever made, but I have a lot of hope for the S68
Never been a fan of the hot v engines, they consume soooo much oil
Don’t forget Range Rover uses the S68 also! lol
N63tu3
S68 CANNOT TOUCH AMG’s M176/M177/M178
So the S68 is in some of the ugliest BMW's ever produced :(
Agree. Probably the x5m comp is the only ok one
BMW v8 engines are done, no one wants to touch it, it is very difficult to rebuild rebuild reputation and trust
like the comment if thinks this engine will destroy main bearing if you dont change you oil on time.
yeahahahahah
S68 has nothing in common with the B58
Name me a more insufferable fambase than BMW owners
BMW's are over engineered and unreliable...
Yep sounds like someone who never owned one. You must be a Toyota subscriper
@@isaiah6838 MUH E92 M3 the last M, with Rod bearing issues.
@@lostalx should have stayed far away from there V8. I don't touch them. F82, F97, G05
Stupid video good audio though. Take most of your face from the video and replace it with ENGINE content then I think it might be better.
the electric system in these cars are nightmares time will tell