Lara Croft has been "female Indiana Jones" for 27 years. And it's one of the best selling game franchises of all time. Whatever they're trying to do with this will not be as popular as that.
Not stepdaughter, goddaughter. Which honestly makes it worse that she treats him this poorly. She could at least show him some respect for how highly her parents thought of him
I get the feeling that Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote herself into the movie, giving herself all the best lines. If you watch your favourite movie, and then imagine what it would be like to put yourself INTO the film itself, this is EXACTLY how Phoebe Walker-Bridge approached her role in this film.
Exactly she treated this film as an ego boost and a vanity project, like how Vin Diesel does with the Fast and Furious movies. Without wokeness and diversity hiring she wouldn’t even have quarter the relevancy she has now.
@@mitchjames9350but with Vin Diesel isn't that his franchise, like he has skin in the game so to speak. Plus that franchise has been going on long enough for him to know what the audience wants... I'd agree that he's put himself into the story however, to me, it only has kept the money train rolling for the FnF, unlike this dumpster fire
Never heard of her. I can't get this obsession Hollywood has with casting no name actors as lead in expensive movies first Jonathan majors then Ezra miller now this feebe waller person
Wow! Not only did Kathleen Kennedy destroy Indiana Jones reputation and our perception of him she actually killed off her son to make sure there was no Heir Apparent. Man, this is one woman who really dislikes men
She is also gonna be that person who when she is 40 is bemoaning the fact she doesn't have a husband saying it is "because they don't know what they are missing" or some crap like that
@@ericharrison4067 Scar Jo is in her mid 40s and they shame men in general for her being single. Halle Berry is like 52 now. KK has to be like 65 minimum.
Damn could have had Mutt find the mystic crossbow in vietnam (said to be able to fire infinite arrow) or the famous " "sword in the lake" (not Arthurian myth)
I appreciate the spoiler of the vietnam death and divorce papers. It didn't just kill any remaining desire I had to see the last entry, it shredded the body, cremated the mush, buried the ashes and salted the earth the ashes were buried in just to be sure. I mean, I was never going to see it anyway, but that tidbit sealed the deal.
For those who don't know. The Greek inventor Archimedes was from Syracuse (Siracusa) on the Island of Sicily. Rome decided they needed to take the city during the Second Punic War. Archimedes, about 75 at the time, is largely credited with the year-long defense of the city by means of his inventions. These included a crane that lifted Roman ships from the water and some type of light magnification using lenses that set Roman ships on fire from a distance. And as cool as all that sounds to maybe see, I still ain't watching this shit.
Wow, they killed Mutt in Vietnam? That's beyond lame. Edit: For those who believe that I think soldiers dying in war is lame, I admit I was unclear in my statement. I meant I am pointing out the fact that they brushed off the death of Indiana's ONLY SON and we don't get a real moment to figure out how he even felt about him or how his death would shape the character beyond "I'm now grumpier". If you are going to kill off Mutt, at least have the death of his only son mean something? Especially if this is his (presumed) FINAL outing. And I have a hunch that it was done so the only person he could even realistically "pass the torch" off to is Phoebe.
I always liked Muttt despite everybody hatred for him (Shia didn't do a great job but it was passable) but honestly thought they wouldn't mention him just because he's the biggest wrench in the idea if the story. It's somewhat worse that they killed him in Vietnam.
@Lucas O'heyze its more the lack of care for any kind of passing the torch. Just a hand wave "Oh yeh he died, anyway moving on". Its just sad the character couldn't be redeemed in any way other than killing him offscreen
I find it annoying, I mean I gotta sit there the entire video and wait to see if he gets belly rubs and face squozing. Every dog needs a good face squozing.
Kathleen has now killed the marriages and children of two of Harrison Ford's characters. It says a lot about her as a person that she has chosen to retroactively rob audiences of two different happy endings for no good reason or positive payoff. She is truly an evil person and her misandry is clear for all to see.
The "old Indy" bookends from Young Indiana Jones will always be the true finale for Indy. He wasn't well received when it aired, but I bet he's gonna start looking a lot better to fans, and I bet Lucas now wishes he hadn't removed old Indy from the VHS/DVDs. Here's the first episode: ua-cam.com/video/Z9YEQt0dvTs/v-deo.html
The thing is before the Raiders production began, Spielberg and Lucas signed with Paramount to make 5 Indiana Jones movies. Therefore this was basically part of their contract eventhough both handed to someone else
You know who I would have picked for an older female co star? Sigourney Weaver. She's in her 70's, and she still did a ton of physical training and labor for Avatar 2. Here's a quote from her about it: "I don’t voice this, because I know that I’ll get teased mercilessly about what a wuss I am, but I think that everyone enjoys working with Jim because he does demand so much. On Avatar: The Way of Water, I was older than a lot of the other people, and we had to do a lot of parkour. We had to do burpees. We had to do freediving. Don’t you love these jobs where you have to learn some really outlandish thing that you keep with you for the rest of your life? Freediving, especially, I’m grateful that we spent a year doing that." She commands respect, and she puts in the work behind the scenes to deliver the best performance possible. If this movie came with a better script, I think she'd be a worthy co star.
Not only are fictional characters becoming ugly but even RL actors are subpar on the aesthetics department. It's just pathetic and frustrating to see objectively beautiful things/people become hideous and replaced
And what was shown, if I remember correctly, was the reshoot "Make it sell or GTFO" cut if the film, not the original "Kennedy" cut that got leaked and forced them to do reshoots. I wonder if they'll talk about "what we originally had planned" on the dvd extras?
I have no problem with them making movies for women, just don't expect me to watch them. If they ever start making movies for my demographic again, I'll watch them. But that's not likely to happen. I'm an old Gen X'r.
She recently gave a very backhanded "Apology" that was essentially blaming Mangold for the film and throwing him ALL the way under the bus. Another franchise ruined. What the heck does she have on the top people at Disney? SOOOOO much respect for Speilberg's absolute public humiliation of her live onstage. She truly deserves no less.
@@crank1985 I'd make a comment about a certain person who lived just up the road, but i'm so exhausted by that person that i just can't bother. I'm not sure I can see either of the Bobs in that situation; Eisner, on the other hand.....
Listening to Chris Gore describing Indy 5, is akin to listening to someone reading you outloud the details of the police report regarding your family member's murder.
@@mosesdouglas4325 If it ended at last crusade we'd never of seen him marry Marion which was great but yeah rest of crystal skull is garbage. How infuriating that this one has ruined the only good about crystal skull by having them divorce. Absolutely dreadful decision along with killing off his son.
@@patrickbatman141 I forgot about Marion even being in Crystal Skull. Been a while since I subjected myself to that kind of torture. But I agree with you that it's trash and Dial looks worse if that's even possible. Btw great UA-cam name. The DENNIS system still one of my favorite episodes besides the Lethal Weapon episodes. 😆
@Anoneemus Noename it really was awful. R.O. is no less paint by numbers as the rest of the dreck. I remember I didn't even watch the whole thing I kept noticing little things that were bad and couldn't even finish. I did however manage to watch more of it than the second sequel movie. I turned the screen off after the "can you hear me now" joke at the beginning of that one. That was a sad fkn day for me.
There was a line in No Time to Die, written by Phoebe Waller Bridge, where the new diverse 007 told original 007 to "stay in their lane". If only Bridge took her own advice. She was fine writing and acting in quirky British feminist comedy. She should never have been attached to these big IP's primarily aimed at a male audience.
The character who tells bond to stay his lane gets outdone by bond to such a degree that she relinquishes the 007 moniker back to him and its retired when he 'dies'
@@DanBharry No doubt a result of the rewrites. She was originally intended to replace him, I'm guessing...just like Phoebe was here. What a fucking hack this woman is. lmfao
Chris Gore it's such a great speaker, he describes his thoughts without ever getting riled up or emotional about it. Clean and professional, a rare sight as of late.
I think Indi losing his son should only have been included if the story arc would have been him trying to find the dial and going to great lengths to get it to save his son.
@@jiggycalzone8585 more likely she would've said something like "He turned me down for a date, I'm glad he's dead, hope it hurt like hell when he died"
This is a great idea. Someone said this on another video, but when the story suggestions of people in UA-cam comments are better than the actual story of the film, you know the movie has problems.
I’ve got and idea how to save this franchise. Have short round running around south east Asia wearing the iconic hat. He can look for whatever mcguffin the plot needs. He should run into mutt held as a prisoner of war. Short round helps mutt escape and they go on adventures while running from NVA. Short round gets pushed down looses the hat, mutt picks it up the music comes in hard and he kicks everyone’s ass.
I always find it incredible how people in UA-cam's comment sections come up with better ideas than writers who are paid millions to supposedly do their jobs.
I still find it strange, that Sean Connery played Harrison Ford's father at 59, yet Harrison Ford himself is about to turn 81. I don't know which I dislike more: all these geriatric men and women pretending to be sexy, young, athletic superheroes - or all these younger, androgynous, hormonally-crushed, beanpole children pretending to be muscular heroes. It's an uncanny valley situation far beyond any possible suspension of disbelief.
The problem is not about the age, its about honoring the character. Thats why season 3 of Picard worked. They all are in their 70s, Stewart is in his 80s, but Matalas wrote a script that gave them propper story and believable dialouge. You cant pull the "modern audience" switch without honoring the old. + that message of S3 was phenomenal, the young are infected by a dangerous hive (twitter) and the old (pre social media bubble) generation has t fix humanity. BOOM SUNK!
@@thomasnieswandt8805 unfortunately the first two seasons of Picard were dog shit. If they did every season of picard like season 3. I’d watch the fuck out of it. They realized what they did wrong and fixed it when it was already too late. Robbing us of two seasons that could have been good.
@@bigchod-pv7eb I think Connery could have added more to the last Indiana Jones sequel.but I still enjoyed his presence because it’s Sean frickin Connery.
Indiana Jones is the purest form of oldschool male empowerment fantasy. Unlucky + badass + classy when he needs to be. The odds that modern Hollywood could handle that tastefully are on a par with their odds of creating a second MCU.
It’s interesting because he was always kind of a jabroni. Nothing went right, he fucked up did stupid shit, got hurt, was a pussy about things, and he needed help from a whole cast of side characters. But it was done in a way that didn’t completely humiliate him. And he could be the shit out of nazis.
@@SupremeCommanderBaiser They're two different flavors of the same beverage. One is rugged, the other is suave. One leans more towards badassery, the other towards classing it up.
Big, big mistake that Disney/Lucasfilm didn't hire Dylan Mulvaney to play Indy. To play Helena too. Two for the price of one. Disney could have saved a lot of money by doing that. Boo, Lucasfilm.
I don't understand how anyone can look past this point. It's one thing to have religious artifacts that have mystical powers, but someone inventing a time machine in 214 B.C.? It's beyond preposterous.
Yeah they completely forgot or ignored how the magical stuff worked in their previous Indy movies. What really made Indy movies stand out from generic real-world-but-with-magic is that it was all pretty subtle and never clearly explained. You never had a wizard say "I cast fireball", you had ancient biblical stuff like the Arc or the Holy Grail, ancient occult magic stones in Temple of Doom, hell even the aliens in Crystal Skull were hardly explained at all. With all these "magical/fantastic" objects the viewer didn't really care about how or why they were made since it could as well have been God or a (super)natural phenomenon. But directly saying "this historical figure crafted this device in the middle of a battle to save his and his armies' asses"... that's just... *no* it's wrong. It directly breaks the charm of the previous movies and goes against everything that this franchise established. (So it falls in line with the rest of the movie doing its best to desecrate Indy's rotting corpse.)
@@lordhelmchen3154 Couldn't agree more. Even George Lucas said the franchise needed to be grounded in somewhat of a reality, and specifically listed time travel as something you could not do.
Twenty-five years ago, Harrison Ford did a throwaway rom-com (Six Days Seven Nights) with Anne Heche -- for which he made 20 mil, 12 points on first-week receipts, and repeatedly fought for more airplane scenes, so he could spend more time chasing his personal hobbyist passion (flying the DeHaviland on the studio's clock + dollars). I don't think he's been very concerned about "artistic integrity" since then.
Probably the last thing I want to see about a childhood hero is to see him in squaller with divorce papers and a reminder that his son died in Vietnam.
Killing Mutt is the biggest insult they could have given to Lucas and the fans and it's entirely on purpose. They're basically saying "we've destroyed your dreams and your future". They clearly hate Lucas by killing Indy's son.
That's awful to hear what they did to Indy's story. I mean I don't think anyone likes Mutt or anything to do with the fourth film really, but still, why heap such a tragedy onto Indy? Dead son and divorced? Wtf? It's horrible. Indiana Jones movies were never about that kind of stuff. Last Crusade literally ends with Indy riding off into the sunset, why do they have to ruin his life? Can't believe I'm saying this but Crystal Skull is instantly better than this just for giving Indy a happy ending.
They did the same thing with Luke! Seems the goal of the message is to destroy any role models and create female characters who take on the worse human traits and they pass it off as “look women are equal too!”
Imagine if I went back in time and told you Lucasfilm is bought by Disney, they put a woman in charge who wears “the force is female” shirts. The new Star Wars films are about how Luke and Anakin were failures who accomplished nothing, and the real chosen one and hero is the new female lead, she is effortlessly great at everything and she defeats the empire and emperor who came back. Then the new Indiana Jones film is about a old Indy whose son and teased successor is unceremoniously killed off screen, and Indy is replaced by a new female lead who is effortlessly better than him at everything and replaces him. You’d think I was going on some weird rant, making up a straw man to ridiculous and cartoonishly parody like to ever happen. Like someone making fun of feminist influence in films would make it up as a joke. But it actually happened.
“The first thing we see is Indiana Jones in his apartment with divorce papers, and his son has been killed.” I don’t even like Crystal Skull, but this genuinely made me feel depressed.
This was one of the things I really hated about Crystal Skull; Indy's dad being mentioned as being dead, when Sean Connery was still alive. This is the same thing again.
and they want you to be because they hate everything you love simply out of petty spite. but if you complain about it you're just a bigoted fanboy though, remember?
@@kaijusoshingeki7214 hey at least that worked in terms of the story because his dad died of old age, not being killed off young. The former is depressing, but there is a level of respect. The latter is just downright depressing.
If enough people don't go to these movies eventually they'll stop making them. There's only so much wokeness that investors will tolerate if it gets in the way of profits.
They really used one of the most traumatic experiences american families actually went through, losing a son in the vietnam war, to spiritually destroy a male character just because they don't like him. These people would probably send real people to their deaths in wartime and make sure they're all men out of malice. How fucked. Probably would've killed Indy at the start too if they could've gotten away with it.
@@dustinhogle3844The idea of Hollywood being scared of a youtuber called *Doomcock* is hilarious. He actually intimidates them enough to reshoot scenes and make him a villain in She-Hulk. He's got some pull.
It's okay to have a character divorced and miserable if there's actually a reason. Like John McClane in Die Hard 1, his estrangement from his wife is used to build this incredible character arc where he is humanised as a flawed man, then saves her and shows her that he loves her. Unfortunately modern "writers" just add these things to ruin old characters and make them miserable husks, not to build character development.
Who didnt see this coming? PWB is the star of the movie and the original star is pushed aside, mocked and poked fun at, all to elevate the strong female hero!
@@Ben-ee2xy Lol, Kingdom was shit and you know it. Just like the Star Wars Prequels, sometime between 1989 and 1999 George Lucas lost his mind and whatever writing talent he had with it.
I just hope that everyone saying they're not going to see it will actually stand by that conviction. There is no other way to send these studios the message than by not giving them our money.
He really was fantastic with it, you could tell he put a ton of effort into studying Ford's mannerisms. The difference between a body double vs a real actor, I guess.
Indeed, Phoenix was a proper actor. He was suggested by Ford himself for young Indy after playing Ford's son in "The Mosquito Coast". That kind of casting care and attention to detail is often a foreign thing in these franchises now.
I’m genuinely saddened by this. I’m at a loss for words to describe how disappointed I feel regarding this direction. “Look at how they massacred my boy.”
Wow, they really didn't like Indy having an happy ending eh? Crusade and even skull ended on a happy note. That getting glassed from orbit right after the "young Indy" part just feels... dirty. Edit: Ah, they do the Back to the future "Have a better today" at the end. But only if he stays home from now on. I used to think the dumb Star Wars "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" line was just written to show just how naive and indoctrinated Kylo was. I never would have guessed it was the bloody modus operandi, slogan and life goal of grand Moff Kennedy.
Here’s my pitch for Indiana jones VI. Short round is traveling through south east Asia wearing the iconic hat. He’s sad about his friends being dead but honors their memory by carrying on with their work. He stumbles into a prisoner of war camp and finds mutt held for over a decade. Barely recognizable. Short round breaks him out and they have adventures fleeing North Vietnamese Army troops. Doesn’t even really what relic short round is looking for. The movie will focus on family and never giving up. Towards the end short round gets knocked down the hat flies off, mutt picks it up the iconic music hits hard he puts on the hat and kicks everyone’s ass. The end.
I've been saying for the last couple years that the last movie had to be short round and Indy on an adventure from their past. This was so easy to get right. Mutt and Short round at odds because indie was more of a father to Short round than he ever was to mutt..... Think of that nature. Could have set up a fun buddy franchise for the two of them after Indy passes the torch to his two sons. It's not hard to hit the heartstrings and give a fanbase what they want.
Setting a last Indiana Jones movie with HF in the Vietnam War era would have been a good send-off. Historical conflict as the background while Indy has to gather artifacts before they might get destroyed/end up as colateral damage of the war.
The most amusing thing is that this is meant to be yet another "setup for a planned trilogy" that hasn't just failed to launch, it exploded on the launchpad before getting an inch off the ground. Back in the day, all the progenitors of these films were made without concern about laying a foundation for more films, they just made good films and got greenlit for sequels. Today all they do is build a house of cards on a foundation of sand, and then blame anyone but themselves when these hubristic blunders repeatedly fall apart before they even finish production.
They forgot how to write strong, female characters. Ripley? Sarah Connor (in the first two Terminator films)? Xena? Xena was strong, independent, powerful, but she never had to degrade Hercules to be on his level. That's why she was liked.
Blade Runner is probably the only Harrison Ford legacy character that was treated with respect and care. Let's hope they don't butcher it if they make more of it
@@idawg7332 Not that Kennedy would have hired him or given him free reign. Wonder what Denis Villeneuve could have done with Indiana 5 if he had been offered the job? Think he is doing a great job with Dune, looking forward to part 2
@@doberski6855 Denis is my favorite director working today but I think he works best for really dark deconstructive stuff like blade runner and dune. Not sure how he'd do with something faster paced and more fun adventure themed like indiana jones.
Kathleen Kennedy's mandate: 1) Fleabag needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. 2) Whenever Fleabag's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking where is she.
My favorite scene was when Indiana put on the Fedora, and reflected "this hat is perfect" to which fleabag responded "it will be once it fits a woman" and then she took the hat, put it on and said "now it's perfect". Indy tried to protest so she aimed a machine gun at him, pointed to her eyes and said "look at me, look at me, I'm Indiana now" and then with the hat and the machine gun went to kill all the nazis, embarrassing the all male inglorious basterds as well...
Placing Indy in the middle of the Vietnam war and reuniting with his son for a covert adventure or something would have been a far more interesting movie than what they gave us.
That would have potential as Asia is full of archeological discoveries. They could have carried on the theme of searching for lost relics without retracing their steps from the previous movies.
I think the thing I hate most about modern stories is how the heroes of our childhoods and/or younger days are portrayed as old, tired, unhappy, and failures. It's indicative of how Hollywood views it's audience (those who've aged with the characters), and how they're marketing toward the younger generation. As with any cultural revolution, those in power and wanting more have to destroy the previous culture, and have the current generation hate the prior generation.
The thing is though, the woke generation, they're going to age so badly. Most of them have no character. Old generations were forged by fire, survived wars, experiences shaped them. When they aged, they aged with a lifetime of character forming events. These new generations all their arrogance comes from ideology and the fact that they're young and not old. It's going to be a horror show when these young people reach old age having not had any root, any character, any values. When their whole sense of self is built on not being old and being young and trendy and more "enlightened" than those old "bigots", old age is going to hit them like a freight train.
Please, compare these modern stories to Gran Torino (Clint Eastwood)... Also in Gran Torino the main character is old, tired, unhappy, and failed as a father (he lives alone), but he is also a chacarter incredibly deep and with an extraordinary moral strength ad willpower. A caharacter who is able to complete his journey of the hero despite the age and to change the state of his little world through his sacrifice... A hero can be a great and moving hero even in his old age, if the writer knows his job and the producer is not working just to push an agenda...
@@maurizioginanneschi9402 I never really looked at Clint's character in Gran Torino as deep. I just kind of thought he was an old racist, white man come to save the day who realises the "frogs" are real people too
The problem with these characters being snarky, is that they'll point to a Tony Stark or a Peter being snarky and they go "WELL WHAT ABOUT THEM" The difference is, the audience feels like those are OUR asshole friend, They are being snarky to people we are rooting against. PWB and Captain Marvel feel like they are being assholes TO us, not FOR us.
There's an interesting interview about Marnie, Saturday Night Fever would work as well, script was asked "You weren't worried about Connery character acting badly?" "Not at all, that's why you have stars, they can do it and the audience still loves them." The reason is subtlety, they are subtle. PWB got on my wick just watching her in the theatre at Cannes.
Like Bugs Bunny. He's only in the face of people (or Martians) that deserve it.
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The "magical brown little boy sidekick who can do everything" when done innocently is fine. When it becomes a trope played as a "go to" for diversity brownie points, it becomes one of those condescending stereotypes that might "mean well" but look and sound terrible in practice.
Same goes for the lgbqabc+ community. How many gays are ashamed of their preferences compared to the early 2000s? This is all the fault of the extremists
This reminds me of that pre-screening sneak preview of *The Rise of Soywalker* where the Millennium Falcon was blown up. When you go far beyond not caring anymore (at least when it comes to the new stuff; I’ll *NEVER* give up on the stuff that is genuinely good), I now just want to see just how _horribly_ they can screw things up. It’s a shame you don’t have any (heh heh) rebels among the Left to just hit the Easy Button and release *EVERYTHING:* all the scrapbook edits, all cuts… *EVERYTHING!*
Great point about Harrison being very physical in his performance as Indy. Thats why River Phoenix as young Indy was so impressive. He really embodied what Harrison brings to the role.
River Phoenix would have eventually won an Academy Award, he was going to be a great actor (Just like his younger brother did for Joker). I like Stephen Baldwin, but hes no Oscar nominee, let alone winner.
Exactly what I was thinking. He must have molested her and she hates him, and by extension all men, with every fiber of her being. So in every movie she makes, she symbolically tortures, humiliates, and kills her father.
I pretty much figured that they’d kill off Indy’s son. Because we all know that a story would take place in the 60s or 70s, and Nam was going on. So unless Mutt was able to finish school with high marks Nam was going to get him via the draft. But we all know that shouldn’t have happened and this is the end of the franchise. Because honestly we will need a new team and owners of Lucasfilm to rewrite or completely rebuild their franchises. SW kicking off with hopefully Lucas’s planned sequel trilogy that would erase the Disney trilogy, and Indiana Jones being completely rebooted with new actors (few I see can pick up the role, but Chris Pratt I see could do it and be a good successor to the role, but he will have to be very brutal with holding his beliefs and morals against the movie makers as to protect the future of the franchise from sjw nonsense.) Let us all hope that eventually other movies are made with similar themes and ideas to that of the original Indy movies, ones that fill the shoes of what came before and do their best to bring back the classic adventure genre that is sorely missed.
It would be fun if he was actually starring in the movie, and it was about him being on a mission upriver in Cambodia a la "Apocalypse Now", getting separated from his unit and ending up discovering some tribe with a magical artifact in some Khmer temple deep in the jungle.
They actually screwed up the timing a bit as far as Mutt being drafted to fight in Vietnam. Crystal Skull was set in the mid-late ‘50s, and Mutt was supposed to be 17-18 in that movie. The new movie is set in 1969, so he’d be at least in his late 20s and too old to be drafted (the cutoff was 26 in Vietnam). He would have to have volunteered.
I think it will have the opposite effect I think a lot of the younger generations will turn against this new shitty woke media and embrace the past, we will see a lot of interest in classic films due to the lack of message and the fact they are well made and entertaining
My dad, now 80 years old (2023) raised us watching Indiana Jones and the original Star Wars. I’ve taken him to the theater for Indy 4 and all the Disney SW films and he didn’t care for them. He wanted to like them, but he didn’t.
Smokey gave the best critical analysis of this movie. That's all any potential viewer of the movie needs to know. Actually, I think even he was too excited about it. I bet a common reaction from people leaving a movie theater after watching this cinematic lobotomy goes something like "I just wasted more than 2 hours of my life that I can never get back. Maybe someone should use that Dial of Destiny to go back in time and prevent this movie from ever being made!"
I don't have much of an issue with him being killed off, but that was a pretty lazy way of doing it. It should have been something in line with the character, we find out that apparently he sold out and became a tool The character, as portrayed in the movie, likely would have been overseas engaged in some adventures and out of the reach of the draft board.
I wished we could go back to the 80s. I'd fetch Steve and George their coffees instead of Kathy, and then maybe the timeline would change and we'd have some excellent Star Wars and Indy movies.
I think one of the worst things I hate seeing in movie sequels is when the previous movie ends on such a good and happy note, especially with the protagonist and their love interest getting together, and then the next movie they’ve broken up in between movies. I HATE that trope, if it is one, and to know that Indy 5 opens up with Marion divorcing him and that their son died is such a massive punch to the gut. At least Crystal Skull for all its flaws ended on a happy ending with Indy and Marion getting married when we haven’t seen her since Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1981 as a way to finally put the character and the series to rest, maybe even ignite a sorta young Indiana Jones future with his son inheriting the iconic hat and namesake for his own legacy, but NOPE! Darth Kennedy is not only hellbent on destroying the Skywalker legacy, she wants to destroy Indy’s too. Kinda makes that South Park episode where George Lucas and Steven Spielberg rape Indiana Jones look like a picnic in the park, by comparison.
At least the divorce is a good and realistic thing considering their relationship started off as Indiana jones being a pedophile abusing her. So Kennedy is not the one to taint the character worst of all.
It's almost inevitable if you keep doing sequels and sequels. Of course Die Hard had to do this as well by breaking up that family by the 3rd film. The solution is to stop doing so many sequels. As for Indy, it should have finished after the 3rd film.
"Our team is losing the war. Let's build a time traveling device to travel to another period and get people to turn the tide in our favor." Oh my god, they're basically doing the Tomorrow War
The sad thing is that we could all see this coming from *miles* away. Like the second they announced it I think we all knew that it was going to be shit.
The first three movies practically molded my sense of adventure as a child. I still remember my brother and I swinging from the banister by an old belt pretending like we were dodging bullets and saving the day. Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade are the movies that gave me the sense of infatuation and captivation for the southwest American desert that I spend almost every weekend exploring now that I’m in university. To hear that it’s all been ruined after the first sequence of cool flashbacks is depressing. I still have some inkling of hope left for when I go to see it in person, but I doubt any of my expectations set by the preceding films will be met. I don’t know if I’ll ever voluntarily watch a Disney/Lucasfilm movie ever again.
I can just imagine the "creative" team sitting around a whiteboard coming up with things that are quintessential to the Indy movies, but not understanding a single one of them. "He needs to be chasing a magical item." No, he needs to be pursuing an item that has been touched by the hand of God...there needs to be that religious connection that shows Indy is fighting for the side of good in looking for this item, as opposed to the villains who want to pervert the power God gave these items. "He needs a strong independent woman who is a match for him." No, he needs a woman who is physically beautiful and fierce, but who needs Indy. She also needs to be seduced by his charms as the film goes on and it leads to her lowering her defences. "Need to kill Mutt cos people hated him/problems with Shia." No, people disliked the film itself but you could very easily mould Mutt in to a likeable companion, recast if there's issues with Shia, or even omit him from the film without killing him offscreen like Newt in Alien 3. "We need to make jokes about how old he is." No, that's an old cliche and works against the idea of a hero we all adore. They see what came before without understanding a single aspect of it.
You're giving the writers way too much credit here. I'm pretty sure they just put up femminest and lgbtq stuff and see how they can tie it into a chat gpt created script.
If what Chris was saying about the first 20 minutes is true and that it would’ve been a good movie on it’s own, then it could have worked as Indy telling it as a bedtime story to his grandson and the ending of the film would have been a grateful Mutt returning home from the Vietnam War and embracing his son and father. Maybe you can have Phoebe Waller Bridge as a British Spy investigating the Dial from within the Reich and you also reign in her worse qualities by 80% and there you have it, a semi-decent Indiana Jones movie that ends as a good send-off to his legacy but of course that only works in a world where KK wasn’t in charge.
Love how random UA-cam comments can create a much better and objectively cool and exciting outline in about 5 minutes flat, and somehow these bean counters and all their money and resources botch this.
The ironic thing is they already had the formula. The mummy. An intelligent booksmart female lead paired with an experienced and knowledgeable veteran tomb raider.
What irritates me is once again, destroying what's been already made to "make room" for the new girlboss. As much as I disliked the crystal skull, they at least gave Indy kind of a positive send off- he marries Miriam, he has bonded with his son, his son my take the mantle NOPE she gone, he dead.
Well, what many do not know: Indy had fathered several children. We still know Sophie. From where I know this? The 90's series "Adventures of Young Indiana Jones" introduced this. But apparently Disney don't give a fuck about it either... :/
Shia Leboef, who is one screwed-up human being, is to blame for that one. By his behavior off-set, he turned off the possibility of taking over the role. This opened the door for the Femi-Nazis to rush in and take over the franchise. In my opinion, the natural heir should have been RIVER PHOENIX (see his role in the 3rd movie) but his life was cut short via acquiring the wrong people to hang out with.
This is all getting like The Empire Strikes Back in early Summer 1980 when mischievous schoolboys were giving away the startling reveal that Vader was Luke's father to others that hadn't seen it!
You know,this isn’t just turning me off properties I liked once, this is turning me off movies period. Thanks for the insightful, if wholly depressing, critique gentlemen. Appropriately, I need a drink.
You're absolutely right. The only movie I've actually gone out to see in YEARS was Top Gun Maverick, and I've seen John Wick 3 on TV and waiting for 4 to hit a reasonable price on streaming. And Sisu, however that's spelled. And that's it. I have zero interest in anything Hollywood has put out for years. Repellent propaganda crap.
Growing up, I used to LOVE Indiana Jones. I love the original trilogy. Raiders of the Lost Ark is one of my top ten films. Hell, even Crystal Skull is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I played video games, bought lego sets, dressed up as him for Halloween, and even read that (probably not canon) book where he fights zombies. When I heard that there was a fifth movie in the works, and that Kennedy was overseeing it, it filled me with dread. Everything that I've seen and heard thus far has only confirmed my suspicions. It's especially insulting since the movie is due to release on my birthday of all days. Not a chance in this lifetime or any other I'll be wasting my money and time watching this movie.
The movie storyboard was "probably" that Indy felt his son would follow in his footsteps, but when he dies, Indy gets depressed and it effects his marriage to Marion. But he goes on a Last Crusade of his own with a woman that is like the daughter he never had, they bond on an adventure and Indy rediscovers his spark and sees himself in her. In the climax the villain kidnaps Marion in exchange for the other half of the dial....Of course saving a "damsel in distress" isn't acceptable so they'd change the entire movie.
I would´ve watched that. Just change the ending to: She gets kidnapped. Indy´s after them as best as possible. They try to force this "deal" on Indy, who won´t have it - In the meantime she´s having a solo escape Indy-style to free herself and in a massive climax, both are stopping the baddies and both her & Indy escape, but ultimately lose the dial on the way - and by giving us an after credit scene they would´ve settled for a new Indy once and for all. Both her & Indy going over maps & papers, pinpointing the location and when it´s time to go get back the dial for real, Indy gives her the hat, but stays back.
What REALLY pisses me off is if they had a little bit of awareness they could have had it be Short Round contact Indy at his low point needing him. We'd get to see that Short Round grew up idolizing and taking after Indy. Then imagine getting to have fucking Oscar winning Ke Huy Quan going on to carry the mantle of Indiana Jones? I'd actually want to see that follow-up series. It even meets any ESG BS. Indy gets to see he's made real impact on people and is still needed and can even go on in a support role a la Batman Beyond. That seems like a much better choice for an 80 year old Harrison Ford than jumping between golf carts or whatever.
@@phonepunk7888 Oh he'll never be back now unless to play second fiddle to give her more credibility. I would hate to see them to that to Ke Huy Kwan. Maybe he and Brendon Fraser can do a new Mummy movie where their characters meet...somehow. Honestly, I don't even care if it doesn't make sense, I'd wanna see that.
It's even worse than shehulk and rings of power And that's an achievement in its self Well done Disney and Kathleen Kennedy for destroying yet another beloved franchise
I tend to forget about Doomcock due to the fact that he hardly ever gets brought up. Drinker and Gary used to associate with him a lot but then that just stopped one day. I'm guessing that Drinker doesn't have a lot of positive feelings towards Doomcock due to his one reference to him. I guess it has to do with him always claiming that KK will finally be fired. I'm not sure.
I get that feeling too since there are some instances where it feels like Drinker is mocking Doomcock’s reporting and sources, like with the rumoured Lucas film sale for example. Which isn’t exactly fair to blame him for since the man is only reporting what his sources tell him and the man even prefaces that these are just rumours he’s sharing
upon rewatching the series that I haven’t watch since I was a kid I realize that Indiana jones just can’t be made today. Everything about him is rooted in old media. He’s super tenacious, smart, and funny, but he’s also overconfident, clumsy, and extremely unlucky. it’s a balance to make him a compelling character that has to be sacrificed to put him in a modern movie. He’s made to be the lead and to put him anywhere else just won’t make his character work.
So they give Indy a son who would have been a perfect sidekick to pass the torch to….but instead of that the son dies off screen in Vietnam and they pass the torch to a body that nobody cares about in the slightest …it’s even worse than killing John Connor in the opening scene of T Dark Fate…at least in that film we actually saw John for 10 seconds.
Man, the reveal of Mutt's fate was a punch in the gut. Sure, he wasn't a beloved supporting character as Jones Sr or Sallah, but I guess they never learn from Alien 3 or Terminator Dark Fate. I always thought they can still revamp the character in such a way, make him more mature & show signs of growth. But nah, we don't deserve happiness in this world.
Lara Croft has been "female Indiana Jones" for 27 years. And it's one of the best selling game franchises of all time. Whatever they're trying to do with this will not be as popular as that.
Don't forget Relic Hunter, the female Indiana Jones of the small screen
I am worried about the next Tomb Raider game it is a re re-boot of the original…
at the very most, she'll be compared to Laura and everyone will say, "Laura did it first, and better."
Oh don't you worry Phoebe's got it covered as she's playing Lara Croft in the Amazons Tomb Raider series.
@@editmanrgg2844 🤦♂️
Killed Indy’s son, took his wife, and left him with an abusive stepdaughter. Holy shit, the level of character degradation on display here.
Yeah. They really dog piled on Indy.
inversion/satanism the same
Not stepdaughter, goddaughter. Which honestly makes it worse that she treats him this poorly. She could at least show him some respect for how highly her parents thought of him
Is anyone surprised
Imagine if guys remade 50 shades of Grey where the chick just gets sent back to the kitchen. This is what chicks are doing,.
I get the feeling that Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote herself into the movie, giving herself all the best lines. If you watch your favourite movie, and then imagine what it would be like to put yourself INTO the film itself, this is EXACTLY how Phoebe Walker-Bridge approached her role in this film.
She seems like an arrogant ****.
Exactly she treated this film as an ego boost and a vanity project, like how Vin Diesel does with the Fast and Furious movies.
Without wokeness and diversity hiring she wouldn’t even have quarter the relevancy she has now.
@@mitchjames9350but with Vin Diesel isn't that his franchise, like he has skin in the game so to speak. Plus that franchise has been going on long enough for him to know what the audience wants... I'd agree that he's put himself into the story however, to me, it only has kept the money train rolling for the FnF, unlike this dumpster fire
Never heard of her. I can't get this obsession Hollywood has with casting no name actors as lead in expensive movies first Jonathan majors then Ezra miller now this feebe waller person
The knock out at the end is like when Hugh Grant wa punched to the floor by a woman at the end of Four weddings and a funeral.
Wow! Not only did Kathleen Kennedy destroy Indiana Jones reputation and our perception of him she actually killed off her son to make sure there was no Heir Apparent. Man, this is one woman who really dislikes men
She is also gonna be that person who when she is 40 is bemoaning the fact she doesn't have a husband saying it is "because they don't know what they are missing" or some crap like that
@@ericharrison4067 There are plenty of weak men in the UK who would take her, but the masculinity she wants..nope.
@@ericharrison4067 bruh I hate KK as much as anyone but, she's like 50 and she has a husband lol ....
I'm convinced that Kathleen Kennedy hates Harrison Ford. Two of the biggest franchises that Ford was involved in, she's destroyed.
@@ericharrison4067 Scar Jo is in her mid 40s and they shame men in general for her being single. Halle Berry is like 52 now. KK has to be like 65 minimum.
I'm gonna stop you right there. Indy getting divorce papers and Mutt died in Vietnam. In his first scene. What. Hard pass.
Undoing the previous movie in the franchise in the first scene is pretty common these days unfortunately.
Damn could have had Mutt find the mystic crossbow in vietnam (said to be able to fire infinite arrow) or the famous " "sword in the lake" (not Arthurian myth)
It's Alien 3 all over again.
I appreciate the spoiler of the vietnam death and divorce papers. It didn't just kill any remaining desire I had to see the last entry, it shredded the body, cremated the mush, buried the ashes and salted the earth the ashes were buried in just to be sure.
I mean, I was never going to see it anyway, but that tidbit sealed the deal.
Should be a top comment lmao
“Not only was i not going to buy a ticket, i’m also pirating it now”
My thoughts exactly. What an absolutely garbage decision.
Same. Definitely not gonna watch that movie...I was dumb enough to watch TLJ and TROS, I learned my lesson now.
you think that's bad I just watched a video with the Drinker in it and the host totally spoiled GOTG3 for me and that was much worse!
I'd rather sit through Crystal Skull a dozen times than spend five minutes watching this dumpster fire.
For those who don't know. The Greek inventor Archimedes was from Syracuse (Siracusa) on the Island of Sicily. Rome decided they needed to take the city during the Second Punic War. Archimedes, about 75 at the time, is largely credited with the year-long defense of the city by means of his inventions. These included a crane that lifted Roman ships from the water and some type of light magnification using lenses that set Roman ships on fire from a distance. And as cool as all that sounds to maybe see, I still ain't watching this shit.
Leave me to my circles...Roman.
Thanks for the info!
>>some type of light magnification using lenses that set Roman ships on fire from a distance
The story of Archimedes would be a great movie or mini series
In Reality it was Archimedes Unnamed Female "Assistant" Who did all that and the Evil White Male took the credit.
Wow, they killed Mutt in Vietnam? That's beyond lame.
Edit: For those who believe that I think soldiers dying in war is lame, I admit I was unclear in my statement.
I meant I am pointing out the fact that they brushed off the death of Indiana's ONLY SON and we don't get a real moment to figure out how he even felt about him or how his death would shape the character beyond "I'm now grumpier".
If you are going to kill off Mutt, at least have the death of his only son mean something? Especially if this is his (presumed) FINAL outing.
And I have a hunch that it was done so the only person he could even realistically "pass the torch" off to is Phoebe.
I always liked Muttt despite everybody hatred for him (Shia didn't do a great job but it was passable) but honestly thought they wouldn't mention him just because he's the biggest wrench in the idea if the story.
It's somewhat worse that they killed him in Vietnam.
How so? Lots and lots of people died in Vietnam.
@Lucas O'heyze its more the lack of care for any kind of passing the torch. Just a hand wave "Oh yeh he died, anyway moving on". Its just sad the character couldn't be redeemed in any way other than killing him offscreen
I had hope to see Mutt in a quick cameo
And Indiana is not even like "look how they massacred my boy"...
Critical Doggo's input is spot on as always.
Right finally a patient podcaster. Makes me curious what he thinks.
I find it annoying, I mean I gotta sit there the entire video and wait to see if he gets belly rubs and face squozing. Every dog needs a good face squozing.
How long is the new Indy film?
Just watch the critical doggo instead :D
He heard the names Kathleen Kennedy and Phoebe Waller Bridge and did the only rational thing to do....go into a very deep sleep...IMMEDIATELY
When the doggo twitched, I felt that!
Kathleen has now killed the marriages and children of two of Harrison Ford's characters. It says a lot about her as a person that she has chosen to retroactively rob audiences of two different happy endings for no good reason or positive payoff. She is truly an evil person and her misandry is clear for all to see.
That's not Ford. It's cgi
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot besides the point but ok
The "old Indy" bookends from Young Indiana Jones will always be the true finale for Indy. He wasn't well received when it aired, but I bet he's gonna start looking a lot better to fans, and I bet Lucas now wishes he hadn't removed old Indy from the VHS/DVDs. Here's the first episode:
ua-cam.com/video/Z9YEQt0dvTs/v-deo.html
I don't use the word hate lightly, but I hate her so damn much.
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot What is your point?
There are only 3 indiana Jones movies.. That's it
spielberg might even say there’s only two movies
Crystal Skull is not that bad tho
@@cokemaster3710 I'm with you there. It sure has a ton of cringe moments in there tho. But it's not as bad as it's made out to be in my opinion
The thing is before the Raiders production began, Spielberg and Lucas signed with Paramount to make 5 Indiana Jones movies. Therefore this was basically part of their contract eventhough both handed to someone else
And 40 plus hours of the classic TV series
You know who I would have picked for an older female co star? Sigourney Weaver. She's in her 70's, and she still did a ton of physical training and labor for Avatar 2. Here's a quote from her about it:
"I don’t voice this, because I know that I’ll get teased mercilessly about what a wuss I am, but I think that everyone enjoys working with Jim because he does demand so much. On Avatar: The Way of Water, I was older than a lot of the other people, and we had to do a lot of parkour. We had to do burpees. We had to do freediving. Don’t you love these jobs where you have to learn some really outlandish thing that you keep with you for the rest of your life? Freediving, especially, I’m grateful that we spent a year doing that."
She commands respect, and she puts in the work behind the scenes to deliver the best performance possible. If this movie came with a better script, I think she'd be a worthy co star.
Sigourney Weaver is BASED. Thanks!
The OG strong female character!
Not to mention Sarah Conner as well
Good call 👍
Phoebe Waller Bridge referring to herself as "beautiful" is super cringy. She's about a 4 and that's after sitting in a make up chair for 3 hours...
Not only are fictional characters becoming ugly but even RL actors are subpar on the aesthetics department.
It's just pathetic and frustrating to see objectively beautiful things/people become hideous and replaced
Her forehead mole would like to know your location.
She is about as appealing as Brie Larson's feet.
She's about 4, but if we add the irritation factor, it's 2 the best she can do
She's a 3. At best. Move to Cali or a nice southern city and you'll see what a 4 is
Indiana Jones and the Desperate Feminist.
_IJ and the Boxwine of Cope_ starring Fleabag Wallface-Bridge (and some old guy was there too)
They're all going to be desperate when they hit the wall.🧱
In The Last Crusade, Indy rides horse.
In Dial of Destiny, horse rides Indy.
Brilliant
Indiana Jones and the Virgin Lesbian
"It is written for Kathleen Kennedy." WOW. Guy just stated ALL of disney's problems.
I never realized it until I read this, but your comment is spot on for every Disney film for the last few years. So true.
@@Koopyspappy Both🤮
Brutal. But true, in retrospect.
And what was shown, if I remember correctly, was the reshoot "Make it sell or GTFO" cut if the film, not the original "Kennedy" cut that got leaked and forced them to do reshoots. I wonder if they'll talk about "what we originally had planned" on the dvd extras?
I have no problem with them making movies for women, just don't expect me to watch them. If they ever start making movies for my demographic again, I'll watch them. But that's not likely to happen. I'm an old Gen X'r.
She recently gave a very backhanded "Apology" that was essentially blaming Mangold for the film and throwing him ALL the way under the bus. Another franchise ruined. What the heck does she have on the top people at Disney? SOOOOO much respect for Speilberg's absolute public humiliation of her live onstage. She truly deserves no less.
certain island with owner suiciding in prison trips videos and photos. The only possible answer. Shareholders should fire the board at this moment...
@@crank1985 I'd make a comment about a certain person who lived just up the road, but i'm so exhausted by that person that i just can't bother.
I'm not sure I can see either of the Bobs in that situation; Eisner, on the other hand.....
@@danielvandersall6756 Agreed. Iger would be too jealous and Chapek would be bug-eyed confused by the gongs-on.
What did Steven say to PWB?
Listening to Chris Gore describing Indy 5, is akin to listening to someone reading you outloud the details of the police report regarding your family member's murder.
I hope southpark does a sequel episode
Harrison Ford is partly to blame for this nightmare. Should of turned it down and let crystal skulls happy ending remain as the characters send off.
@@patrickbatman141 should have let it end after Last Crusade though really
@@mosesdouglas4325 If it ended at last crusade we'd never of seen him marry Marion which was great but yeah rest of crystal skull is garbage. How infuriating that this one has ruined the only good about crystal skull by having them divorce. Absolutely dreadful decision along with killing off his son.
@@patrickbatman141 I forgot about Marion even being in Crystal Skull. Been a while since I subjected myself to that kind of torture. But I agree with you that it's trash and Dial looks worse if that's even possible. Btw great UA-cam name. The DENNIS system still one of my favorite episodes besides the Lethal Weapon episodes. 😆
I'm 100% boycotting and rejecting any of the movies under Kathleen's control.
She is Cancer
That's what I've done since episode 7 dropped out her butthole
Rogue One is alright.
@Anoneemus Noename it really was awful. R.O. is no less paint by numbers as the rest of the dreck. I remember I didn't even watch the whole thing I kept noticing little things that were bad and couldn't even finish. I did however manage to watch more of it than the second sequel movie. I turned the screen off after the "can you hear me now" joke at the beginning of that one. That was a sad fkn day for me.
@@i_liek_bois i still to this day haven't watched the 3rd sequel movie
There was a line in No Time to Die, written by Phoebe Waller Bridge, where the new diverse 007 told original 007 to "stay in their lane". If only Bridge took her own advice. She was fine writing and acting in quirky British feminist comedy. She should never have been attached to these big IP's primarily aimed at a male audience.
Fleabag was crap too!
@@a.cobbaut9711here here
@@zom8680 Just like Mauler I couldn't make it past 20 min in the first episode.
The character who tells bond to stay his lane gets outdone by bond to such a degree that she relinquishes the 007 moniker back to him and its retired when he 'dies'
@@DanBharry No doubt a result of the rewrites. She was originally intended to replace him, I'm guessing...just like Phoebe was here. What a fucking hack this woman is. lmfao
Chris Gore it's such a great speaker, he describes his thoughts without ever getting riled up or emotional about it. Clean and professional, a rare sight as of late.
I think Indi losing his son should only have been included if the story arc would have been him trying to find the dial and going to great lengths to get it to save his son.
A positive and emotionally grounded endorsement of fatherhood?? Not on KKs watch! He needs to make a joke about it and never mention it again
@@jiggycalzone8585 more likely she would've said something like "He turned me down for a date, I'm glad he's dead, hope it hurt like hell when he died"
This is a great idea. Someone said this on another video, but when the story suggestions of people in UA-cam comments are better than the actual story of the film, you know the movie has problems.
I’ve got and idea how to save this franchise. Have short round running around south east Asia wearing the iconic hat. He can look for whatever mcguffin the plot needs. He should run into mutt held as a prisoner of war. Short round helps mutt escape and they go on adventures while running from NVA. Short round gets pushed down looses the hat, mutt picks it up the music comes in hard and he kicks everyone’s ass.
I always find it incredible how people in UA-cam's comment sections come up with better ideas than writers who are paid millions to supposedly do their jobs.
“Imagine Brie Larsen’s Captain Marvel, times 10.”
Thanks Chris. Therapy bill coming your way.
Good god. Now that REALLY puts it into perspective.
Like EVS said about Brie " She looks like I owe her alimony"
And the image of my nightmares for this evening are...
Brie Larson was definitely the prototype for this type of asexual Feminist that all women are now in film & videogames.
Not enough therapy in the world, frankly.
I still find it strange, that Sean Connery played Harrison Ford's father at 59, yet Harrison Ford himself is about to turn 81. I don't know which I dislike more: all these geriatric men and women pretending to be sexy, young, athletic superheroes - or all these younger, androgynous, hormonally-crushed, beanpole children pretending to be muscular heroes. It's an uncanny valley situation far beyond any possible suspension of disbelief.
The problem is not about the age, its about honoring the character.
Thats why season 3 of Picard worked. They all are in their 70s, Stewart is in his 80s, but Matalas wrote a script that gave them propper story and believable dialouge. You cant pull the "modern audience" switch without honoring the old. + that message of S3 was phenomenal, the young are infected by a dangerous hive (twitter) and the old (pre social media bubble) generation has t fix humanity. BOOM SUNK!
Yeah Connery was only like 13 years older than Harrison and he played his father, but it worked, they used make up and made Connery look older,
@@thomasnieswandt8805 unfortunately the first two seasons of Picard were dog shit. If they did every season of picard like season 3. I’d watch the fuck out of it. They realized what they did wrong and fixed it when it was already too late. Robbing us of two seasons that could have been good.
Connery is unwatchable, he is so annoying and irritating in Last Crusade, he ruins the whole movie, first two indiana jones movies are the best
@@bigchod-pv7eb I think Connery could have added more to the last Indiana Jones sequel.but I still enjoyed his presence because it’s Sean frickin Connery.
Based on all that Kathleen Kennedy has done with these male characters from Lucasfilm IP’s, I genuinely feel awful for all of the men in her life.
Frank Marshall has my pity.
There can’t be any
What men in her life?
What sane man would be in her life in the first place.
What does Gary Marshall see in her?
Indiana Jones is the purest form of oldschool male empowerment fantasy.
Unlucky + badass + classy when he needs to be.
The odds that modern Hollywood could handle that tastefully are on a par with their odds of creating a second MCU.
Nah, that would be James Bond. Indi is a close second.
It’s interesting because he was always kind of a jabroni. Nothing went right, he fucked up did stupid shit, got hurt, was a pussy about things, and he needed help from a whole cast of side characters. But it was done in a way that didn’t completely humiliate him. And he could be the shit out of nazis.
@@SupremeCommanderBaiser
They're two different flavors of the same beverage.
One is rugged, the other is suave.
One leans more towards badassery, the other towards classing it up.
@@SupremeCommanderBaiserand she ruined that one too
Big, big mistake that Disney/Lucasfilm didn't hire Dylan Mulvaney to play Indy. To play Helena too. Two for the price of one. Disney could have saved a lot of money by doing that. Boo, Lucasfilm.
So, in this movie, Archimedes could invent a time travel device, but not a weapon to win a war? Makes perfect sense.
I don't understand how anyone can look past this point. It's one thing to have religious artifacts that have mystical powers, but someone inventing a time machine in 214 B.C.? It's beyond preposterous.
Yeah they completely forgot or ignored how the magical stuff worked in their previous Indy movies. What really made Indy movies stand out from generic real-world-but-with-magic is that it was all pretty subtle and never clearly explained.
You never had a wizard say "I cast fireball", you had ancient biblical stuff like the Arc or the Holy Grail, ancient occult magic stones in Temple of Doom, hell even the aliens in Crystal Skull were hardly explained at all. With all these "magical/fantastic" objects the viewer didn't really care about how or why they were made since it could as well have been God or a (super)natural phenomenon.
But directly saying "this historical figure crafted this device in the middle of a battle to save his and his armies' asses"... that's just... *no* it's wrong. It directly breaks the charm of the previous movies and goes against everything that this franchise established. (So it falls in line with the rest of the movie doing its best to desecrate Indy's rotting corpse.)
@@lordhelmchen3154 Couldn't agree more. Even George Lucas said the franchise needed to be grounded in somewhat of a reality, and specifically listed time travel as something you could not do.
Marcus Claudius Marcellus after one of his soldiers killed Archimedes “well that’s fucked that then. Lads the trip to 1965 is off”
In real life, it's said that Archimedes built a bunch of interesting weapons to stop the Roman advance, including sun powered heat rays.
Twenty-five years ago, Harrison Ford did a throwaway rom-com (Six Days Seven Nights) with Anne Heche -- for which he made 20 mil, 12 points on first-week receipts, and repeatedly fought for more airplane scenes, so he could spend more time chasing his personal hobbyist passion (flying the DeHaviland on the studio's clock + dollars). I don't think he's been very concerned about "artistic integrity" since then.
Thing is, after making $25M, he could have gotten a lot fussier about what roles to take and creative control over the work.
Probably the last thing I want to see about a childhood hero is to see him in squaller with divorce papers and a reminder that his son died in Vietnam.
Even worse than Luke drinking blue milk from the tit of a space walrus.
What about being stabbed in the guts with a lightsaber by his son?
@@eblatz80 by Star Wars logic, he’s probably still alive in that pit.
Killing Mutt is the biggest insult they could have given to Lucas and the fans and it's entirely on purpose. They're basically saying "we've destroyed your dreams and your future". They clearly hate Lucas by killing Indy's son.
"Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to."
Never forget what they're about.
It's the only good thing to come from Crystal Skull. Indy had a son! And he got married! Both taken away.
I'm amazed you and these others are stockholm syndromed so hard you've convinced yourself that the Mutt/Shia was good.
They consider Indy and his son and all of us to be “Amalek”. More info in the Old Testament.
I miss Mutt.
So glad someone finally pointed out that the body stand in for young Indy looked and moved like an old man, it was jarring to look at.
That's awful to hear what they did to Indy's story. I mean I don't think anyone likes Mutt or anything to do with the fourth film really, but still, why heap such a tragedy onto Indy? Dead son and divorced? Wtf? It's horrible. Indiana Jones movies were never about that kind of stuff. Last Crusade literally ends with Indy riding off into the sunset, why do they have to ruin his life? Can't believe I'm saying this but Crystal Skull is instantly better than this just for giving Indy a happy ending.
They did the same thing with Luke! Seems the goal of the message is to destroy any role models and create female characters who take on the worse human traits and they pass it off as “look women are equal too!”
Hell Yeah !
@@LordVerdo Luckily we got Legends for Luke, giving him a more proper legacy.
This already sounds like the shit Indy 5 that Stuckmann once pitched on an episode of Movie Fights lol. Embarrassing cringe, tonally fucked.
They want you to know that ALL men are terrible fathers and terrible husbands.
Imagine if I went back in time and told you Lucasfilm is bought by Disney, they put a woman in charge who wears “the force is female” shirts. The new Star Wars films are about how Luke and Anakin were failures who accomplished nothing, and the real chosen one and hero is the new female lead, she is effortlessly great at everything and she defeats the empire and emperor who came back. Then the new Indiana Jones film is about a old Indy whose son and teased successor is unceremoniously killed off screen, and Indy is replaced by a new female lead who is effortlessly better than him at everything and replaces him.
You’d think I was going on some weird rant, making up a straw man to ridiculous and cartoonishly parody like to ever happen. Like someone making fun of feminist influence in films would make it up as a joke. But it actually happened.
no
stupid fucking clown world where satire is dead
@@razefan350yes
@@razefan350 yes
Fans in 2008: "Shia ruined Indy 4!"
Fan in 2023: "How dare they kill Shia's character?"
“The first thing we see is Indiana Jones in his apartment with divorce papers, and his son has been killed.”
I don’t even like Crystal Skull, but this genuinely made me feel depressed.
It's just so unceremonious.
Just "let's just burn the entire point of that movie to the ground and then shit on the corpse"
When a bigger ip killer blasts the previous ip killer for not being that good at ip killing and then proceeds to show you how its done.
This was one of the things I really hated about Crystal Skull; Indy's dad being mentioned as being dead, when Sean Connery was still alive. This is the same thing again.
and they want you to be because they hate everything you love simply out of petty spite. but if you complain about it you're just a bigoted fanboy though, remember?
@@kaijusoshingeki7214 hey at least that worked in terms of the story because his dad died of old age, not being killed off young. The former is depressing, but there is a level of respect. The latter is just downright depressing.
The saddest thing is, if River Phoenix never died from an OD, we might have had some really good Indiana Jones prequels in the 90s...
Try the young Indiana Jones show from 1992, it’s not too bad.
I made similar comments. River Phoenix was a natural to take over the Indiana Jones role.
Like Anita Sarkeesian in the gaming world, we need to purge movie cancer that is KK and PWB
If you're still crying over Anita Sarkeesian in 2023, you have a problem.
@@lucasoheyze4597Dude doesn’t forget people who tried to screw over big industries, nothing wrong with it.
Yes, let's forget what that harpy did so it's easier for the next one to continue her work removing the art in video games.
If enough people don't go to these movies eventually they'll stop making them. There's only so much wokeness that investors will tolerate if it gets in the way of profits.
@@lucasoheyze4597 If you get so triggered whenever someone brings up or discusses Sarkeesian you feel compelled to attack them, you have a problem.
They really used one of the most traumatic experiences american families actually went through, losing a son in the vietnam war, to spiritually destroy a male character just because they don't like him. These people would probably send real people to their deaths in wartime and make sure they're all men out of malice. How fucked. Probably would've killed Indy at the start too if they could've gotten away with it.
They tried killing him off in the past and making her the new Indiana Jones. Didn’t go over well. Ending was reshot.
@@dustinhogle3844The idea of Hollywood being scared of a youtuber called *Doomcock* is hilarious. He actually intimidates them enough to reshoot scenes and make him a villain in She-Hulk. He's got some pull.
Du du du duu duuum.
A wild Arnold Sxhwarzenegger appears.
Well these people want Ukraine to pop off for nato so yes they do
It's okay to have a character divorced and miserable if there's actually a reason. Like John McClane in Die Hard 1, his estrangement from his wife is used to build this incredible character arc where he is humanised as a flawed man, then saves her and shows her that he loves her.
Unfortunately modern "writers" just add these things to ruin old characters and make them miserable husks, not to build character development.
very true
Who didnt see this coming? PWB is the star of the movie and the original star is pushed aside, mocked and poked fun
at, all to elevate the strong female hero!
A traditional 'modern' recipe from Kathleen K....
If you have to say you're strong then you probably aren't.
This trilogy truly ended with the 4 lads riding into that sunset.
The Last Crusade was the best ending.
I agree with you that was definitely the best ending. Kingdom of the Crystal skull was still a solid Indiana Jones movie though.
@@Ben-ee2xy Lol, Kingdom was shit and you know it.
Just like the Star Wars Prequels, sometime between 1989 and 1999 George Lucas lost his mind and whatever writing talent he had with it.
I almost walked out of the theater during crystal skull. It was so bad
No, it ended with Indy getting married and enjoying his twilight years with his new family.
Critical doggo is making a lot of solid points and I think has perfectly captured the “mood” of the world’s enthusiasm towards this Indy flick…😂❤
I love the username lol
You remind me of my mother.
Sadly, only the worst parts of her. Like when she'd beat me merciless after spilling her rum.
he's so frickin adorable!
I love Smokey :)
He's the goodest boy!!!
I just hope that everyone saying they're not going to see it will actually stand by that conviction. There is no other way to send these studios the message than by not giving them our money.
Good point.
An adventure with Indy and Shortround would have been so much fun but obviously noone at Lucasfilm bothered to give Ke Huy Quan a call 🤦🏼♂️
Apparently they filmed a mid-credits scene where Indy meets up with him in Shanghai but Kennedy scrapped it.
River Phoenix did a good job with the fully body Harrison Ford-style acting in his cameo in the third movie.
He really was fantastic with it, you could tell he put a ton of effort into studying Ford's mannerisms. The difference between a body double vs a real actor, I guess.
Indeed, Phoenix was a proper actor. He was suggested by Ford himself for young Indy after playing Ford's son in "The Mosquito Coast". That kind of casting care and attention to detail is often a foreign thing in these franchises now.
I’m genuinely saddened by this.
I’m at a loss for words to describe how disappointed I feel regarding this direction.
“Look at how they massacred my boy.”
It's elder abuse, they're also abusing Harrison.
Don't watch the movie.🤷♂️
Wow, they really didn't like Indy having an happy ending eh?
Crusade and even skull ended on a happy note.
That getting glassed from orbit right after the "young Indy" part just feels... dirty.
Edit: Ah, they do the Back to the future "Have a better today" at the end. But only if he stays home from now on.
I used to think the dumb Star Wars "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" line was just written to show just how naive and indoctrinated Kylo was.
I never would have guessed it was the bloody modus operandi, slogan and life goal of grand Moff Kennedy.
Have you seen the film? It is a happy ending! of sorts.
Here’s my pitch for Indiana jones VI. Short round is traveling through south east Asia wearing the iconic hat. He’s sad about his friends being dead but honors their memory by carrying on with their work. He stumbles into a prisoner of war camp and finds mutt held for over a decade. Barely recognizable. Short round breaks him out and they have adventures fleeing North Vietnamese Army troops. Doesn’t even really what relic short round is looking for. The movie will focus on family and never giving up. Towards the end short round gets knocked down the hat flies off, mutt picks it up the iconic music hits hard he puts on the hat and kicks everyone’s ass. The end.
I'd watch that
I'm here for this and it's my new canon.
I've been saying for the last couple years that the last movie had to be short round and Indy on an adventure from their past. This was so easy to get right. Mutt and Short round at odds because indie was more of a father to Short round than he ever was to mutt..... Think of that nature. Could have set up a fun buddy franchise for the two of them after Indy passes the torch to his two sons.
It's not hard to hit the heartstrings and give a fanbase what they want.
Except by the time this happens Shia is already too old to play Indy and we have to move on to his grandson 😂
Setting a last Indiana Jones movie with HF in the Vietnam War era would have been a good send-off. Historical conflict as the background while Indy has to gather artifacts before they might get destroyed/end up as colateral damage of the war.
The most amusing thing is that this is meant to be yet another "setup for a planned trilogy" that hasn't just failed to launch, it exploded on the launchpad before getting an inch off the ground. Back in the day, all the progenitors of these films were made without concern about laying a foundation for more films, they just made good films and got greenlit for sequels. Today all they do is build a house of cards on a foundation of sand, and then blame anyone but themselves when these hubristic blunders repeatedly fall apart before they even finish production.
lesson: just make good films
Great, insightful, articulate comment. Well done.
They had a critical error putting it together in the factory
It's amazing that Hollywood has completely forgotten how to make likable female characters.
They forgot how to write strong, female characters. Ripley? Sarah Connor (in the first two Terminator films)? Xena? Xena was strong, independent, powerful, but she never had to degrade Hercules to be on his level. That's why she was liked.
Considering that most Americans have forgotten how to raise likable female persons, I’d say it is anything but amazing.
@@Paulafan5Top Gun Maverick had Penny and Phoenix. It can still be done
@@MrCrazyrob666 Just dont include idiots in the movie production - problem solved!
Even Vasquez, but maybe she wasn't even a sidekick.
“GO AWAY NOW!” Followed immediately by an ad for the Indiana Jones movie. 😂
R.I.P Indy
😅
Blade Runner is probably the only Harrison Ford legacy character that was treated with respect and care. Let's hope they don't butcher it if they make more of it
Rick Deckard is the character name, just fyi.
That's because Denis Villeneuve has more talent than the entirety of disney/lucasfilm combined
@@idawg7332 Not that Kennedy would have hired him or given him free reign. Wonder what Denis Villeneuve could have done with Indiana 5 if he had been offered the job? Think he is doing a great job with Dune, looking forward to part 2
@@doberski6855 Denis is my favorite director working today but I think he works best for really dark deconstructive stuff like blade runner and dune. Not sure how he'd do with something faster paced and more fun adventure themed like indiana jones.
@@doberski6855it wouldn't have been an adventure movie.
Kathleen Kennedy's mandate:
1) Fleabag needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.
2) Whenever Fleabag's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking where is she.
I thought Fleabag was just what the Internet named her. Turns out, it is a show nobody watched.
@@RobinMcBeth Smug know-it-all feminists (I repeat myself) liked it, which explains KK's interest in casting that creature.
I like how the dog is in this group chat, and he just chills the whole time.
My favorite scene was when Indiana put on the Fedora, and reflected "this hat is perfect" to which fleabag responded "it will be once it fits a woman" and then she took the hat, put it on and said "now it's perfect". Indy tried to protest so she aimed a machine gun at him, pointed to her eyes and said "look at me, look at me, I'm Indiana now" and then with the hat and the machine gun went to kill all the nazis, embarrassing the all male inglorious basterds as well...
Lmfao 👏🏿 bravo
💅🏼slayyyyy queen😍🔥
Placing Indy in the middle of the Vietnam war and reuniting with his son for a covert adventure or something would have been a far more interesting movie than what they gave us.
That would have potential as Asia is full of archeological discoveries. They could have carried on the theme of searching for lost relics without retracing their steps from the previous movies.
I think the thing I hate most about modern stories is how the heroes of our childhoods and/or younger days are portrayed as old, tired, unhappy, and failures. It's indicative of how Hollywood views it's audience (those who've aged with the characters), and how they're marketing toward the younger generation. As with any cultural revolution, those in power and wanting more have to destroy the previous culture, and have the current generation hate the prior generation.
The thing is though, the woke generation, they're going to age so badly. Most of them have no character. Old generations were forged by fire, survived wars, experiences shaped them. When they aged, they aged with a lifetime of character forming events.
These new generations all their arrogance comes from ideology and the fact that they're young and not old.
It's going to be a horror show when these young people reach old age having not had any root, any character, any values. When their whole sense of self is built on not being old and being young and trendy and more "enlightened" than those old "bigots", old age is going to hit them like a freight train.
Hit the nail on the head
Kathleen Kennedy is old.
Please, compare these modern stories to Gran Torino (Clint Eastwood)...
Also in Gran Torino the main character is old, tired, unhappy, and failed as a father (he lives alone), but he is also a chacarter incredibly deep and with an extraordinary moral strength ad willpower.
A caharacter who is able to complete his journey of the hero despite the age and to change the state of his little world through his sacrifice...
A hero can be a great and moving hero even in his old age, if the writer knows his job and the producer is not working just to push an agenda...
@@maurizioginanneschi9402 I never really looked at Clint's character in Gran Torino as deep.
I just kind of thought he was an old racist, white man come to save the day who realises the "frogs" are real people too
Chris Gore: she finds some booze...
Critical Drinker: *impressed*
The problem with these characters being snarky, is that they'll point to a Tony Stark or a Peter being snarky and they go "WELL WHAT ABOUT THEM"
The difference is, the audience feels like those are OUR asshole friend, They are being snarky to people we are rooting against. PWB and Captain Marvel feel like they are being assholes TO us, not FOR us.
There's an interesting interview about Marnie, Saturday Night Fever would work as well, script was asked "You weren't worried about Connery character acting badly?" "Not at all, that's why you have stars, they can do it and the audience still loves them." The reason is subtlety, they are subtle. PWB got on my wick just watching her in the theatre at Cannes.
Like Bugs Bunny. He's only in the face of people (or Martians) that deserve it.
The "magical brown little boy sidekick who can do everything" when done innocently is fine. When it becomes a trope played as a "go to" for diversity brownie points, it becomes one of those condescending stereotypes that might "mean well" but look and sound terrible in practice.
‘Brownie’ points, heh.
@@brokenfingers9607 😂😂😂😂
@@brokenfingers9607 LOL
@@brokenfingers9607 Maybe drugs were involved, too?
Same goes for the lgbqabc+ community. How many gays are ashamed of their preferences compared to the early 2000s? This is all the fault of the extremists
This reminds me of that pre-screening sneak preview of *The Rise of Soywalker* where the Millennium Falcon was blown up. When you go far beyond not caring anymore (at least when it comes to the new stuff; I’ll *NEVER* give up on the stuff that is genuinely good), I now just want to see just how _horribly_ they can screw things up.
It’s a shame you don’t have any (heh heh) rebels among the Left to just hit the Easy Button and release *EVERYTHING:* all the scrapbook edits, all cuts… *EVERYTHING!*
Great point about Harrison being very physical in his performance as Indy. Thats why River Phoenix as young Indy was so impressive. He really embodied what Harrison brings to the role.
Yeah he really paid attention to that. More than the actor that played young Indy in Young IJ Chronicles.
@@ShakaCthulu Funny this is I'am wathing the show now and you're right, its not terrible, but its lacks that quality the most.
River Phoenix would have eventually won an Academy Award, he was going to be a great actor (Just like his younger brother did for Joker). I like Stephen Baldwin, but hes no Oscar nominee, let alone winner.
Rip River
still breaks my heart.
It’s more entertaining to see how far Kathy can go without being fired than anything she 💩 out.
Fire KK?! That would be labelled sexist
She won't be fired. She has Epstein's client list.
Fire her? Light her on fire. Hahahaha
I swear shes got some sort of dirt on high-level disney execs. No way she's made it this long without some sort of blackmail
@@SeSeReRfRf You still don't understand. This has always been the plan.
Its almost like Kathleen is really just mad at her dad, not these characters. She really just wants him to know she made it, and without his help.
Kathleen is a trans woman, who's just mad at the patriarchy. She needs to be put down.
Exactly what I was thinking. He must have molested her and she hates him, and by extension all men, with every fiber of her being. So in every movie she makes, she symbolically tortures, humiliates, and kills her father.
@@anonygentHe probably just told her no over something trivial. She's got a really bad case of PPP.
I pretty much figured that they’d kill off Indy’s son. Because we all know that a story would take place in the 60s or 70s, and Nam was going on. So unless Mutt was able to finish school with high marks Nam was going to get him via the draft. But we all know that shouldn’t have happened and this is the end of the franchise. Because honestly we will need a new team and owners of Lucasfilm to rewrite or completely rebuild their franchises. SW kicking off with hopefully Lucas’s planned sequel trilogy that would erase the Disney trilogy, and Indiana Jones being completely rebooted with new actors (few I see can pick up the role, but Chris Pratt I see could do it and be a good successor to the role, but he will have to be very brutal with holding his beliefs and morals against the movie makers as to protect the future of the franchise from sjw nonsense.)
Let us all hope that eventually other movies are made with similar themes and ideas to that of the original Indy movies, ones that fill the shoes of what came before and do their best to bring back the classic adventure genre that is sorely missed.
It would be fun if he was actually starring in the movie, and it was about him being on a mission upriver in Cambodia a la "Apocalypse Now", getting separated from his unit and ending up discovering some tribe with a magical artifact in some Khmer temple deep in the jungle.
They actually screwed up the timing a bit as far as Mutt being drafted to fight in Vietnam. Crystal Skull was set in the mid-late ‘50s, and Mutt was supposed to be 17-18 in that movie. The new movie is set in 1969, so he’d be at least in his late 20s and too old to be drafted (the cutoff was 26 in Vietnam). He would have to have volunteered.
The dog has the best reaction of all. 'Just make it stop!!'
The purpose of destroying these IPs is that new generations won't have interest in watching a character that has been ruined.
But what WILL they watch, then? They don't have to watch at all. The fireflies in my yard are a better show than current Hollywood.
I think it will have the opposite effect I think a lot of the younger generations will turn against this new shitty woke media and embrace the past, we will see a lot of interest in classic films due to the lack of message and the fact they are well made and entertaining
My dad, now 80 years old (2023) raised us watching Indiana Jones and the original Star Wars. I’ve taken him to the theater for Indy 4 and all the Disney SW films and he didn’t care for them. He wanted to like them, but he didn’t.
Smokey gave the best critical analysis of this movie. That's all any potential viewer of the movie needs to know. Actually, I think even he was too excited about it. I bet a common reaction from people leaving a movie theater after watching this cinematic lobotomy goes something like "I just wasted more than 2 hours of my life that I can never get back. Maybe someone should use that Dial of Destiny to go back in time and prevent this movie from ever being made!"
Spoilers: Not only did they not bring back Shia, they killed his character? Jesus.
Sounds like he got divided! REEEE!
Poor Shia has never been the same after losing that IRL game of Capture the Flag.
@@RobReadControlledProjects apparently by 7.62mm rounds from an AK...or was it one of those nasty booby traps?
@@CornyBumWith how unceremoniously they removed him, it was probably just inhaling too many fumes from the napalm or something lame like that
I don't have much of an issue with him being killed off, but that was a pretty lazy way of doing it. It should have been something in line with the character, we find out that apparently he sold out and became a tool The character, as portrayed in the movie, likely would have been overseas engaged in some adventures and out of the reach of the draft board.
I wished we could go back to the 80s. I'd fetch Steve and George their coffees instead of Kathy, and then maybe the timeline would change and we'd have some excellent Star Wars and Indy movies.
TFA is an excellent movie and with the rest, maybe you’re being too nitpicky.
“Why does everyone think it’s a time travel device?”
*”Who knows!”*
Actually almost spit out my water
That line was right out of Pitch Meeting: "Misunderstood magical devices are tight!"
@@mosespray4510 LOL
Love it
(But you gotta at the “oooooooooooo”at the beginning 😂)
I refuse to pay money to those who destroy the stories we up to and loved.
Why do the new characters have to be so unlikeable? To purposefully ruin the movie business? I don't know
I think one of the worst things I hate seeing in movie sequels is when the previous movie ends on such a good and happy note, especially with the protagonist and their love interest getting together, and then the next movie they’ve broken up in between movies. I HATE that trope, if it is one, and to know that Indy 5 opens up with Marion divorcing him and that their son died is such a massive punch to the gut. At least Crystal Skull for all its flaws ended on a happy ending with Indy and Marion getting married when we haven’t seen her since Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1981 as a way to finally put the character and the series to rest, maybe even ignite a sorta young Indiana Jones future with his son inheriting the iconic hat and namesake for his own legacy, but NOPE! Darth Kennedy is not only hellbent on destroying the Skywalker legacy, she wants to destroy Indy’s too.
Kinda makes that South Park episode where George Lucas and Steven Spielberg rape Indiana Jones look like a picnic in the park, by comparison.
Ya, I was a bit of a sheep and have to admit, I thought Aliens vs Indy was OK.
Then I watched Southpark and awoke.
Indy!!
I think Karate Kid 2 started that out of convenience when they needed a new love interest. Then it just became a thing.
At least the divorce is a good and realistic thing considering their relationship started off as Indiana jones being a pedophile abusing her. So Kennedy is not the one to taint the character worst of all.
It's almost inevitable if you keep doing sequels and sequels. Of course Die Hard had to do this as well by breaking up that family by the 3rd film. The solution is to stop doing so many sequels. As for Indy, it should have finished after the 3rd film.
"Our team is losing the war. Let's build a time traveling device to travel to another period and get people to turn the tide in our favor." Oh my god, they're basically doing the Tomorrow War
The sad thing is that we could all see this coming from *miles* away. Like the second they announced it I think we all knew that it was going to be shit.
14:50
“She’s off to a new adventure”
What a load of lies. Helena only went for ice cream with the rest of the gang.
If you looked up hyperbole in the dictionary you'd see this guy's face
@@tk-5268 the movie doesn’t end giving you the feeling that they want to continue making Indie movies with Helena. A bunch of lies from haters.
The first three movies practically molded my sense of adventure as a child. I still remember my brother and I swinging from the banister by an old belt pretending like we were dodging bullets and saving the day. Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade are the movies that gave me the sense of infatuation and captivation for the southwest American desert that I spend almost every weekend exploring now that I’m in university.
To hear that it’s all been ruined after the first sequence of cool flashbacks is depressing. I still have some inkling of hope left for when I go to see it in person, but I doubt any of my expectations set by the preceding films will be met. I don’t know if I’ll ever voluntarily watch a Disney/Lucasfilm movie ever again.
My 9 year old twins love the first 3 movies, I will not tarnish those classics by watching nor claiming this movie as a sequel.
Why are you giving them money? Pirate the movie if you absolutely have to watch it.
I wouldn't even tarnish the characters or original three films by watching that deconstruction garbage
Don’t give money to people who hate you. There are plenty of other good films in the genre (The Mummy, Sahara, etc)
STOP GIVING MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO HATE YOU.
I haven't seen "Crystal Skull". I won't see "Dial of Destiny". As far as I'm concerned, the Indiana Jones saga ended at
"Last Crusade".
I can just imagine the "creative" team sitting around a whiteboard coming up with things that are quintessential to the Indy movies, but not understanding a single one of them. "He needs to be chasing a magical item." No, he needs to be pursuing an item that has been touched by the hand of God...there needs to be that religious connection that shows Indy is fighting for the side of good in looking for this item, as opposed to the villains who want to pervert the power God gave these items. "He needs a strong independent woman who is a match for him." No, he needs a woman who is physically beautiful and fierce, but who needs Indy. She also needs to be seduced by his charms as the film goes on and it leads to her lowering her defences. "Need to kill Mutt cos people hated him/problems with Shia." No, people disliked the film itself but you could very easily mould Mutt in to a likeable companion, recast if there's issues with Shia, or even omit him from the film without killing him offscreen like Newt in Alien 3. "We need to make jokes about how old he is." No, that's an old cliche and works against the idea of a hero we all adore. They see what came before without understanding a single aspect of it.
Um Temple of Doom kinda counters the first point since it had nothing to do with God or Christianity
You're giving the writers way too much credit here. I'm pretty sure they just put up femminest and lgbtq stuff and see how they can tie it into a chat gpt created script.
"No, he needs a woman who is physically beautiful and fierce, but who needs Indy."
This. Both need each other to be at their best.
This is great analysis and likely correct
@@michaelkehaah but it did. Mola Ram was going to use the stones to bring down the Christian god
Shia LaBeouf: (playing as Mutt)
Fans: (after finding out what KK has in store for him) *"Perhaps I treated you too harshly"*
If what Chris was saying about the first 20 minutes is true and that it would’ve been a good movie on it’s own, then it could have worked as Indy telling it as a bedtime story to his grandson and the ending of the film would have been a grateful Mutt returning home from the Vietnam War and embracing his son and father.
Maybe you can have Phoebe Waller Bridge as a British Spy investigating the Dial from within the Reich and you also reign in her worse qualities by 80% and there you have it, a semi-decent Indiana Jones movie that ends as a good send-off to his legacy but of course that only works in a world where KK wasn’t in charge.
Love how random UA-cam comments can create a much better and objectively cool and exciting outline in about 5 minutes flat, and somehow these bean counters and all their money and resources botch this.
Ha ha I'll just download the first few winrar files to get that 20 minutes and be happy.
I'd have liked Michelle Pfeiffer as Basil's widow as Indie's new side kick.
Your idea is better fan fiction - for free - than the travesty produced by KK.
The new mantra is to have everything fucking dark and depressing without any sense of hope. God, Kennedy must love destroying things men enjoy.
Franchise ended after The Last Crusade.
"They hate this character don't they?" I think they might hate Shia LeBeouf even more🤣
The dog is living his best life 😄
@Pin Ky Nope. I see it moving
Sighthounds are famous for doing as little as possible when they aren't running about at 50 miles an hour.
@@darthlaurel They're like a battery, the longer they rest the better the charge.
The ironic thing is they already had the formula. The mummy. An intelligent booksmart female lead paired with an experienced and knowledgeable veteran tomb raider.
True, and the Mummy built up both the hero as masculine, the heroine as feminine, a fun team, and it was a fun movie.
I'd rather watch The Mummy again than this.
What irritates me is once again, destroying what's been already made to "make room" for the new girlboss. As much as I disliked the crystal skull, they at least gave Indy kind of a positive send off- he marries Miriam, he has bonded with his son, his son my take the mantle NOPE she gone, he dead.
Marion....not Miriam...
Yes, it wasnt perfect, but you could have gone for the "Indi V sequel"
Well, what many do not know: Indy had fathered several children. We still know Sophie. From where I know this? The 90's series "Adventures of Young Indiana Jones" introduced this. But apparently Disney don't give a fuck about it either... :/
They could have just had Jones gift his hat to a grand-daughter and have the female lead anyway.
Shia Leboef, who is one screwed-up human being, is to blame for that one. By his behavior off-set, he turned off the possibility of taking over the role. This opened the door for the Femi-Nazis to rush in and take over the franchise. In my opinion, the natural heir should have been RIVER PHOENIX (see his role in the 3rd movie) but his life was cut short via acquiring the wrong people to hang out with.
This is all getting like The Empire Strikes Back in early Summer 1980 when mischievous schoolboys were giving away the startling reveal that Vader was Luke's father to
others that hadn't seen it!
You know,this isn’t just turning me off properties I liked once, this is turning me off movies period. Thanks for the insightful, if wholly depressing, critique gentlemen. Appropriately, I need a drink.
You're absolutely right. The only movie I've actually gone out to see in YEARS was Top Gun Maverick, and I've seen John Wick 3 on TV and waiting for 4 to hit a reasonable price on streaming. And Sisu, however that's spelled. And that's it. I have zero interest in anything Hollywood has put out for years. Repellent propaganda crap.
Growing up, I used to LOVE Indiana Jones. I love the original trilogy. Raiders of the Lost Ark is one of my top ten films. Hell, even Crystal Skull is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I played video games, bought lego sets, dressed up as him for Halloween, and even read that (probably not canon) book where he fights zombies.
When I heard that there was a fifth movie in the works, and that Kennedy was overseeing it, it filled me with dread. Everything that I've seen and heard thus far has only confirmed my suspicions. It's especially insulting since the movie is due to release on my birthday of all days. Not a chance in this lifetime or any other I'll be wasting my money and time watching this movie.
sooo, it's another Indiana Jones movies where the villains can't get what they want and it doesn't matter whether Indiana Jones does anything or not?
Yes
I'm glad Smokey is relaxed about the whole situation
He´s dying from the cringe he witnessed.
The movie storyboard was "probably" that Indy felt his son would follow in his footsteps, but when he dies, Indy gets depressed and it effects his marriage to Marion. But he goes on a Last Crusade of his own with a woman that is like the daughter he never had, they bond on an adventure and Indy rediscovers his spark and sees himself in her. In the climax the villain kidnaps Marion in exchange for the other half of the dial....Of course saving a "damsel in distress" isn't acceptable so they'd change the entire movie.
I would´ve watched that. Just change the ending to: She gets kidnapped. Indy´s after them as best as possible. They try to force this "deal" on Indy, who won´t have it - In the meantime she´s having a solo escape Indy-style to free herself and in a massive climax, both are stopping the baddies and both her & Indy escape, but ultimately lose the dial on the way - and by giving us an after credit scene they would´ve settled for a new Indy once and for all. Both her & Indy going over maps & papers, pinpointing the location and when it´s time to go get back the dial for real, Indy gives her the hat, but stays back.
Setting up Phoebe Waller-Bridge for a Disney+ show in the Indiana Jones universe for sure
Smokey the dog's death pose at 0:01 perfectly symbolises the Indy franchise and Lucasfilm as a whole 😂
What REALLY pisses me off is if they had a little bit of awareness they could have had it be Short Round contact Indy at his low point needing him. We'd get to see that Short Round grew up idolizing and taking after Indy. Then imagine getting to have fucking Oscar winning Ke Huy Quan going on to carry the mantle of Indiana Jones?
I'd actually want to see that follow-up series. It even meets any ESG BS. Indy gets to see he's made real impact on people and is still needed and can even go on in a support role a la Batman Beyond. That seems like a much better choice for an 80 year old Harrison Ford than jumping between golf carts or whatever.
With our luck, Short Round would be a divorced dead beat dad as well.
@@phonepunk7888 Oh he'll never be back now unless to play second fiddle to give her more credibility. I would hate to see them to that to Ke Huy Kwan.
Maybe he and Brendon Fraser can do a new Mummy movie where their characters meet...somehow. Honestly, I don't even care if it doesn't make sense, I'd wanna see that.
It's even worse than shehulk and rings of power
And that's an achievement in its self
Well done Disney and Kathleen Kennedy for destroying yet another beloved franchise
A NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TASK...BUT SOMEHOW THEY MANAGED IT...TRULY A GOLDEN AGE OF HOLLYWOOD THIS ERA WILL BE REMEMBERED...I FEEL SPOILED
I tend to forget about Doomcock due to the fact that he hardly ever gets brought up. Drinker and Gary used to associate with him a lot but then that just stopped one day. I'm guessing that Drinker doesn't have a lot of positive feelings towards Doomcock due to his one reference to him. I guess it has to do with him always claiming that KK will finally be fired. I'm not sure.
I get that feeling too since there are some instances where it feels like Drinker is mocking Doomcock’s reporting and sources, like with the rumoured Lucas film sale for example. Which isn’t exactly fair to blame him for since the man is only reporting what his sources tell him and the man even prefaces that these are just rumours he’s sharing
@@Alastor999 You can just stop reporting everything that any wierdo that says they work for disney says.
That's a very accurate statement in the beginning. It's not a film, it's a funeral.
upon rewatching the series that I haven’t watch since I was a kid I realize that Indiana jones just can’t be made today. Everything about him is rooted in old media. He’s super tenacious, smart, and funny, but he’s also overconfident, clumsy, and extremely unlucky. it’s a balance to make him a compelling character that has to be sacrificed to put him in a modern movie. He’s made to be the lead and to put him anywhere else just won’t make his character work.
So they give Indy a son who would have been a perfect sidekick to pass the torch to….but instead of that the son dies off screen in Vietnam and they pass the torch to a body that nobody cares about in the slightest …it’s even worse than killing John Connor in the opening scene of T Dark Fate…at least in that film we actually saw John for 10 seconds.
Man, the reveal of Mutt's fate was a punch in the gut.
Sure, he wasn't a beloved supporting character as Jones Sr or Sallah, but I guess they never learn from Alien 3 or Terminator Dark Fate. I always thought they can still revamp the character in such a way, make him more mature & show signs of growth.
But nah, we don't deserve happiness in this world.