Kora is not a Mary Sue, she literally (failed to) kill a child. The film writes her with so little self-awareness that she presented no character whatsoever; but she's pretty much just a shitty imperial who was betrayed and now parades her sins around as if she's the victim. It's not a bad premise for a bitter antihero, but Snyder has no idea how to write an actual wretched character, despite being so obsessed with edgy theatrics.
I mean, there's a lot of oxygen to burn in a spaceship... ...the problem is that all of the oxygen inside the spaceship is supposed to be used by the people living inside the spaceship, not by the coal boiler that's going to asphyxiate them all before they even leave a planet's orbit...
Let's see, who does our heroine kill in this movie? -A child -a team of non-combatant medics -a crew of unarmed 19th century laborers -an imprisoned god
The fact that Zack honestly thinks that he can make a 6 film franchise out of this is laughable. I'm honestly shocked the sequel managed to get greenlit.
wait... if snyder plans to make 6 movies then will he make a snyder cut for all of them? So the fact that he never had creative freedom ends up being a big lie because he had more opportunities than any director seen. 
@@georgeray1906 What an advanced idea, they turn grain into coal, to fuel their ships, a brilliant idea that I can't think of any problems they might have (ethanol)
First, no SOS was sent, and unless the MotherWorld KNEW exactly what happened and where it happened, it wouldn't know where to check where their missing ship was. That being said, I don't think the farmers can really hide a massive dreadnought wreck lying in their fields.
Speaking of spoiled fields, exactly where are they going to harvest any food now? I'm guessing that wreck is gonna deny a rather large portion of their fields for next harvest?
Belisaris also knew Nobel had found Arthelais, and knew his general search area since he's the one that dispactched Nobel out ther in the first place. Even if the dont have some kind of lojack on their spaceships (it'd be dumb if they didn't but that hasn't stopped zack) they could probably retrace their steps easily enough. @@sigmacademy
normally i don't 'like' comments that laugh at itself, but that would have been better. that suggests the whole body is there, and i don't want to know what hack snyder would film for the crotch area.
I cannot wait for the mega-director's cuts that will "explain everything properly" which is "in a completely different universe, as they are a completely different version". Anyone admitting they put out a sub-standard version on purpose deserves a chance to fail harder. Only by knowing the Lord of Edge will the cult of Snyder truly know it is over. If they create a cult around JJ we are all doomed.
I can't get over the fact that's his go to excuse for everything that bombs when he makes a movie by himself. Oh don't like Sucker Punch watch the DC, oh don't like Watch Men watch DC, don't like BVS watch my DC, oh don't like my JLZS cut then watch my extended DC with things that won't matter since I'm out of the DCEU. I hope this guy disappears and comes back when he can actually make a movie worth 3-4hrs.
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There was an old Next Generation Star Trek story. In the future the Enterprise didn’t have an engine. The ship moved around because an alien creature lived in the area where the warp core used to be. It was like a giant hermit crab. The crew figured out a way to get it to move the entire ship where they needed it to go. I know weird.
I love the fact that Kora is really the "Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight" from the Tick placing bombs throughout the Comet Club. Quite possibly my favorite super villain in all of comics.
In the 1936 Flash Gordan TV serial with Buster Crabbe, they have a coal powered floating city. It was kind of silly back then when coal powered ships and stuff was still in living memory, we have coal power plants today but we don't have people shovel the coal into them. But a coal powered spaceship? What were you thinking, Zack? Were you thinking?
A true Scotsman doing a fake " Scotty" accent brought such joy to my bitter heart. It really drives home how bad that accent was but how iconic it was at the same time
Grain was the only character that had a full story arc: a back story then planting to growing to harvesting to processing. So clearly Snyder CAN do character arcs.
@@Rotom0479 Ummmmmmm actually, I just left a board meeting at Netflix. Analytics overwhelmingly prove that the films are most consistently watched (and rewatched) by Middle American states with high rates of grain farming, and the slow-motion shots of the grain are the most watched bits of both films. Creative control has been renegotiated with Zack Snyder, and it's been decided: this is Zack Snyder's Grainverse, and the grain will take a bigger and bigger role as the films progress. There may or may not be a huge twist at the climax of the fifth film, in which the grain turns on both the Motherworld and the current roster of heroes, but you didn't hear it from me. What am I saying, I shouldn't be posting any of this. You're welcome (to the Grainverse).
Ahem, this movie is awesome. Movies don't have enough grain representation! The fact that it focuses on grain, it's harvesting and milling is a testament to Zack Snyder!😂
if you watched just those two movies you'd think he was pretty good. those both still hold up imo. but thinking that you would be sadly mistaken. lol. the dude is a joke.
@@Shlogger They’re good cos Zach didn’t write them, only directed them. He’s really good at making established works shiny. His problem is he thinks that means he can write, too.
What happened is he's writing his own stuff now. Both of those are based on graphic novels written by other people. So the two "best" things he ever did are the two he didn't write haha.
I didn't like watchman. Even dawn of the dead was alright. 300 always a good time. Man of steel was the longest episode of dragonball z. Batman v Superman was stupid. Didn't bother with the synder cut. He's always been a one trick poney
@@petriew2018 that's because so many people want to hold Zack Snyder down. They're trying to stop him from unleashing his wondrous vision unto the world.
Just the fact they did a science fiction story where the evil empire wants "grain" is pretty hilarious. Like they could have just made them miners or something where they extract unobtainium or burbaru for sci fi travel, heck even call it "spice" and rip off Dune, and it would have at least been believable. They literally just made a western set in space, with the same stuff a western would be about. It is actually kind of funny.
I mean, if you REALLY want to question something about the film, how about this? Villagers pile flour all around their buildings so that they can't be targeted from orbit, but then has to face a hostile ground force that LITERALLY wants to level the village (based on the firepower they are bringing to the fight), blowing one of the biggest buildings to kingdom come (and destroying a large amount of flour in the process). Also, the ground troops were returning fire, which I'm going to assume ALSO hit various flour bags. Also, why did those special unit of soldiers go into the one building to engage the villlagers, when their objective (the flour was stacked all around the EXTERIOR of the building)? Wouldn't it just have made more sense to take the flour scattered around the building and highlight it out of there?
Grain would make sense, if its several trillion tons a year from a massive, mechanized farming world, feeding their millions of troops and crew of their ships. And this world is thinking about rebelling so a powreful Admiral is sent to crush it. But this village can make a couple tons a year maximum? Since they do it all by hand, wtf.
Steam machines to harvest grain existed since the end of the XIX century, still they Need to do It by hand... But with a Flying cart. But i'm sure the snyder's snyder cut with his 3 days of runtime Will fix this.
We will see the scene where they grind the grain to turn it into flour, in slow motion, finally, the true climax of the story, I can't wait for the scene where the bread is in the oven in slow motion
One of the more interesting little scifi short stories I ever read centered around the idea that the secret to FTL travel was actually very simple and our civilization simply missed it. So 'first contact' for us was a bunch of steampunk soldiers with muskets coming out of a bronze spaceship, announcing the conquest of earth, and promptly getting blown to hell by the National Guard. Humanity rapidly expanded its empire after that. Rebel Moon has far less thought put into it than this 15 page story I read twenty years ago.
Sounds like a story called "The Road Not Taken" by Harry Turtledove. It's a classic, the image of a bunch of aliens filing out of a spaceship and attacking with matchlock muskets.... Great example of how technological progress isn't always going to be linear, just ask the people who came after the Romans.
The only precedent I can think of for a fleet having to go home after losing an admiral is how in 1241 the Mongols pulled back from their invasion of Europe because the great Khan died and the princes needed to be present for the election of the next Khan. However, the Mongols were not an organized empire ruling over many worlds across the stars.
Star Trek v is under rated. Yeah it sux but u get some friends over with proper party favors it's a fun time to laugh at it. Also iv read William shatners memoirs and he got screwed on the budget for the movie
@Rotom0479 Forgive me, person on the internet, for I apparently cannot see what it is that you see. Please explain how this movie is "a triumph for humanity."
The coal powered spaceships could have been neat if they had the balls to go full retrofuturerism / steampunk, but from what I saw they are using modern sci-fi weapons and rocket launchers, so yeah…
The fight scene with the orchestra is a complete K-Mart bastardization of the opera scene in The Fifth Element. They thought the concept was cool without bothering to think about WHY it works in Fifth Element.
I once heard that the most important and underrated skill that a filmmaker can have is the ability to pitch movies to studio executives. Adam Sandler is said to be excellent at this, which is a big reason why he’s been able to make so many movies despite the fact that they don’t usually do that well. Perhaps Zack Snyder is amazing at pitching movies and ideas to executives…
My friend is a Zach Snyder fanboy and he’s already rolling out the usual snyder fanboy defense for this film, telling me that the directors cut will be good and is waiting for it to come out. He says it’s Netflix fault for restricting the movie’s runtime and thinks that they should just let Snyder make it as long as he wants to. He also claims toxic haters are review bombing the movie.
I commented before on your opinion with part one, disagreeing on the Zach Snyder slow motion shots. NOW, i got the sense Snyder saw your reviews and doubled down on the slow motion for part two. Lost it laughing at the wheat shots in slow motion.
Hahaha 😂 that is fantastic. I was laughing through the shots, I did skip the random singing part when the male character just stood there and everyone was silent for 5 mins.
Where is Mystery Science Theater 3000 when we need them? This sounds like comedy gold! Sounds like Snyder is becoming the Ed Wood of the 21st century, but Ed Wood if he had a multimillion dollar budget.
Honestly Spaceballs is more original than both parts of Rebel Moon is which is funny since the former was a parody of Star Wars and the latter feels more like a ripoff.
Rather than going for the wheat, they should have been Mining for some sort of special fuel for their coal powered spaceships.That would make way more sense if you could only get that special fuel from that planet.
IF they went after a sole fuel source, that would have made for ONE HELL of a strategic target for the Resistance, never mind the fact that they would have had FULL LEGIONS of ground troops stationed at such an important key asset in their space military industry.
Its like Snyder learned the US Navy carriers are steam driven and thought he could transfer that over into space travel and people would just accept it.
Someone asked Zack Snyder: Who's your favorite comicbook writer? "Frank Miller" Where did you learn how to write your characters in your movies? "Frank Miller" 😂😂🤣🤣
I mean, Star Trek Voyager introduced "space garbage dumping" as one of its weekly moral dilemmas in one of the later seasons' episodes. And yes, it's illogical why you wouldn't just send something like that into a sun (when you've got sun-sized furnace to work with, and an easy way to destroy any evidence of "dumping").
@@sigmacademy I think it was final season of TNG where they discovered the warp lanes were wearing out from overuse so needed 'speed' limits or something
It's funny because I can explain how a warp engine assembly goes together in a Starfleet starship and what all the major parts do. These are story telling ASSETS!
Why aren’t these farmers in the far future using combine harvesters? Why does the galactic space empire with big need grain from these farmers in the first place? If you can travel through space you can grow your own food.
My speculation is that they know the farmers are largely unarmed and not a match for them. The problem is, the director has ALREADY shown you just how big the MotherWorld's army was in that celebration scene in the first movie, so it seems unlikely that such a small village could really provide them with any significant number of resources.
I like disparu saying he likes some good shots by Snyder. It’s the thing he’s actually a good director as long as he’s got someone to reel him in. Horrible writer though.
I kind of like the way it looks too. All the pictures show the girl with the angry cut hair and the barely hanging-on cape with the large moon backdrop. But from that picture, I'm surprised the planet is agrarian. I would have guessed that it was urban, like the last of what remains of a once-great civilization. (Maybe something akin to a Tasha Yar backstory in Star Trek: The Next Generation.) I like the aesthetics, but it confuses me. Maybe they explain it in the movie?
Their conversation about slow motion made me recall the south park episode "this is lesbos".... When miss garrison had to heroically make coffee in slow motion
After he ruined Doomsday made him get beaten by bunch of rockets i already lost hope for this director he doesn't have enough good skills to direct his movies
in army of the dead a Hummer goes offroad and gets disabled because of that... i turned off army of the dead rite then. Its ok to have portions of your movie that people have to suspend disbelief but sometimes zack goes too far.
I'm usually defending Zack Snyder (I still think Man of Steel, BvS and his cut of Justice League are solid movies), but his last couple of movies were really undercooked mess. He's a great visual director (he made a silent short movie couple of years ago and it was one of his best works in the last 10 years), but as a screenwriter he's stuck between being juvenile, edgy and pretentious. Sometimes having too much creative freedom isn't a good thing and Snyder is a good example of that.
The world building was so bad all around that it felt like it was written by some twelve year old edgelord in a creative writing class. The characters have practically no dialogue or story arcs to explore and I had zero attachments to them. You guys are also spot on about the tech making no sense either. I loved the battlecruiser using thermal imaging to look at the villagers in the houses but not seeing the people in shallow ambush tunnels on the suspiciously open field nearby. The Senate assassination scene was terrible too in too many ways to mention. I wouldn't compare these films to Chick-fil-A, they seem even more bland, processed and uninspired to me. Rebel Moon is the pink slime filled Chicken McNuggets of cinema.
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The thing about the grain. You can't have star-faring technology in the same universe as you have people using hand tools to bring in grain and have it mean anything. Those are 2000 year apart ideas, and to get to starship you go through many different versions of tractor on the way. This show has absolutely no idea how much land area it takes to produce food to feed any sort of significant population. Let's put it in prospective another way. In the 1800's 40% of the entire labour force of the US was dedicated solely to producing food. A scant 200 years later and that number had dropped down to 1 or 2%, who now produce an excess of food. The freed up 38% of the workforce for science, art and all kinds of other jobs never before imagined.
The problem with the space coal isn't the substance itself, it's that any star-faring civilisation has worked out a far more accurate way to feed the engine of it's ships by the time they reach that level. A shovel is one of the least accurate measures to feed an engine. Anyone that knows even just a little about carburettors, turbos etc knows that to get high performance you need precise actions on the fuel going in to get high performance. But ok, let's say this is a steampunk-like world, and they really really really realllllyyyy want to it be coal... then you need to show that in the rest of the movie. It's ok to have evolution follow a different path but you at least need to explain it. And you can have your big coal scene, just have people monitoring it, and not some poor lad shovelling it all day when a small conveyor belt would do the same job 100 times better.
So they can capture a god to power their starships, bring dead admirals back from the dead, warp travel through vagina portals, invent sentient robot soldiers but haven't figured out how to feed their army and need grain.
The really crappy thing about that coal powered engine is, could they seriously not create just a coal dumping mechanism to fuel the engine rather than having people slave away to do so? Surely that would be a more efficient method, putting the exact amount required of 'suspiciouly coal looking mineral' into the engine as required.
Zack snyder confused cold fusion with coal fusion, change my mind
This is my favourite explanation.
It's not just any coal, it's from the Coalsack Nebula.
Considering that Zack Snyder is a complete moron, YOU have convinced ME.
Why would I need to change you rmind? You still make Snyder sound like an idiot...
Considering he can't even give human-person answers as to why he made Batman kill, I believe that.
Rey Palpatine: "I am the worst sci-fi Mary Sue ever!"
Kora: "Hold my grain."
Add Ahoska to from likeable to another mary sue crosses her arms everytime
😂
Kora: "hold my grain. we'll make a beer out of it, in the future episodes... eventually... in slow motion "
Kora is not a Mary Sue, she literally (failed to) kill a child. The film writes her with so little self-awareness that she presented no character whatsoever; but she's pretty much just a shitty imperial who was betrayed and now parades her sins around as if she's the victim. It's not a bad premise for a bitter antihero, but Snyder has no idea how to write an actual wretched character, despite being so obsessed with edgy theatrics.
Kora is an absolutely amazing character.
It’s pretty tricky getting coal to burn in space with no oxygen
Zack Snyder and Will Smith should make a sequel to Wild Wild West, the ultimate box office bomb! 😊
Don’t ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product.
In space, no one can hear you climate change.
Maybe the empire thrives from the monoxide, maybe thats also why they are all so stupid with tactics and military in general
I mean, there's a lot of oxygen to burn in a spaceship...
...the problem is that all of the oxygen inside the spaceship is supposed to be used by the people living inside the spaceship, not by the coal boiler that's going to asphyxiate them all before they even leave a planet's orbit...
Let's see, who does our heroine kill in this movie?
-A child
-a team of non-combatant medics
-a crew of unarmed 19th century laborers
-an imprisoned god
Just goes to show you how cool Kora is.
Yes.
So heroic. Totally not a war criminal.
The thing is that could work. If she was written like Paul Atreides. A classic Hero's Journey character who becomes an absolute monster.
The war crimes are what make it deep, you wouldn't understand
The fact that Zack honestly thinks that he can make a 6 film franchise out of this is laughable. I'm honestly shocked the sequel managed to get greenlit.
Zack Snyder is a meh director
i think all were shot at the same time.
He had really only filmed two films worth, but he added so much slo-mo it ended up being six films
wait... if snyder plans to make 6 movies then will he make a snyder cut for all of them? So the fact that he never had creative freedom ends up being a big lie because he had more opportunities than any director seen.

He is like Dave Filoni countiue making movies after so many failures
"He who controls the -spice- coal, controls the universe!"
I think you meant to say he who controls the grain, controls the universe since most of the film focused on grain.
Exactly.
Lisan Al Gaib!!
@@georgeray1906 Bingo! I was typing it out when they were talking about the coal based space travel and subconsciously put coal instead lol
@@georgeray1906 What an advanced idea, they turn grain into coal, to fuel their ships, a brilliant idea that I can't think of any problems they might have (ethanol)
Those coal guys were just “mining their own business” 😂
then she just shot them, what a asshole
Dune: DESERT POWER!
Rebel Moon: Flour power?
@@sigmacademy "I said LUNCH not LAUNCH!"
Lets not forget that just in one day the villagers constructed a tunnel system that would have taken world war one engineers a month.
yes, why bother with checking. how long time anything takes. if it exist something that are kind of the same.
They put the Vietcong to shame with those tunnels😅
Exactly. It's an achievement in construction.
WHILE also fully harvesting hundreds of acres of space wheat by hand and sickle, no less.
Im sure that kind of efficiency can be applied to the grain
The notion that they think defeating one dreadnought won't bring 34 more of them next week is my favorite part of the movie.
Yeah, Zack Snyder writes such incoherent stories it's as if he doesn't think about the consequences of his character's actions.
First, no SOS was sent, and unless the MotherWorld KNEW exactly what happened and where it happened, it wouldn't know where to check where their missing ship was.
That being said, I don't think the farmers can really hide a massive dreadnought wreck lying in their fields.
Speaking of spoiled fields, exactly where are they going to harvest any food now? I'm guessing that wreck is gonna deny a rather large portion of their fields for next harvest?
Belisaris also knew Nobel had found Arthelais, and knew his general search area since he's the one that dispactched Nobel out ther in the first place. Even if the dont have some kind of lojack on their spaceships (it'd be dumb if they didn't but that hasn't stopped zack) they could probably retrace their steps easily enough. @@sigmacademy
They need to burn the Space Gods feet with coal to remind it who is the boss. 😂😂
That honestly sounds metal af. Too bad Zach can’t make it happen
Best explanation I've heard
Exactly. It's an amazing film.
normally i don't 'like' comments that laugh at itself, but that would have been better. that suggests the whole body is there, and i don't want to know what hack snyder would film for the crotch area.
@@ryanbarker5217🤢🤮
I loved the part where Kora said "It's coalin' time", and she started coaling all over the place. Really spoke to me as a strong empowered woman.
As an ol' chunk of coal, I felt SEEN.
Critical Drinker and The Boys: "Do you seriously believe your own hype that much?"
Zack Snyder: *"I AM THE HYPE!"*
Excellent DBZ Abridged reference
Vegeta: K*LL HIM
Zack Snyder is absolutely correct. These Open Bar fools wish they could understand his genius.
Without Happy Meals, they will never comprehend.
Every rational person: "You really think this series of films is making you look good?"
Zack Snyder: "Bitch I'm adorable!"
They're using no ordinary coals, they're using space coals.
No space coal is that powerful...
It isn't coal.
It is foamed Nibblonian excrement.
Nah, the space god just likes his feet to feel warm.
Idea could work in a better film set in a Universe that's along the lines of Treasure Planet.
And not have Snyder involved.
I cannot wait for the mega-director's cuts that will "explain everything properly" which is "in a completely different universe, as they are a completely different version". Anyone admitting they put out a sub-standard version on purpose deserves a chance to fail harder. Only by knowing the Lord of Edge will the cult of Snyder truly know it is over. If they create a cult around JJ we are all doomed.
that little ploy worked once or twice but for him to keep trying to pull that move at this point is just pathetic.
That’s gonna be his excuse from now on for everything that doesn’t work out
Exactly. It will make this perfect film even more perfect.
I can't get over the fact that's his go to excuse for everything that bombs when he makes a movie by himself. Oh don't like Sucker Punch watch the DC, oh don't like Watch Men watch DC, don't like BVS watch my DC, oh don't like my JLZS cut then watch my extended DC with things that won't matter since I'm out of the DCEU. I hope this guy disappears and comes back when he can actually make a movie worth 3-4hrs.
The grain must flow. Whoever controls the grain controls the universe!
Rebel Moon is literally Star Wars vs Warhammer 40k fanfiction in a nutshell.
Disney Star Wars + really, really BAD Warhammer 40k fanfiction written by a trans non-binary troglodyte from the point of view of a Shemale Custodes. 🤷♂️
But with none of the themes or interesting concepts included in any way
@@2012sonora
Or any of the interesting characters, factions, or stories
Dune too
But without the existential dread, cosmic horror, universal themes, and fun
Hearing drinker describes Zack Snyder, Zack sounds like a human large language model
There was an old Next Generation Star Trek story. In the future the Enterprise didn’t have an engine. The ship moved around because an alien creature lived in the area where the warp core used to be. It was like a giant hermit crab. The crew figured out a way to get it to move the entire ship where they needed it to go. I know weird.
Drinker is just jealous of Snyder's vision.
@@Rotom0479
I’m sure Snyder thinks so
You got the nail on the head. He writes movies like an alien who has no understanding of human emotions or interactions.
@@professorlogos5459 That's because so many humans can't understand his genius.
I love the fact that Kora is really the "Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight" from the Tick placing bombs throughout the Comet Club. Quite possibly my favorite super villain in all of comics.
Kora makes all Superheroes and Villains look like chumps.
Yea baby, Yea! Yea!
Evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight!
We're making gravy without the lumps!
Sidekicks must use the "sidekicks lounge"
@@normanrenner4648 I think not. Kora is THE only hero that cinema needs.
In the 1936 Flash Gordan TV serial with Buster Crabbe, they have a coal powered floating city. It was kind of silly back then when coal powered ships and stuff was still in living memory, we have coal power plants today but we don't have people shovel the coal into them.
But a coal powered spaceship? What were you thinking, Zack?
Were you thinking?
Zack Snyder was being an absolute genius.
What was he thinking? "Huh, cool visual" when he was watching _Titanic_ probably.
@@harbl99 yes. Every single second in this film is a sight to behold.
I thought you meant this guy, lol en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Crabb
didn't Futurama had a joke like that but it was dark matter?
12:50 Zach Snyder is like my boss telling me to make all of the text in an advertisement bold. If ALL of the text is bold, NONE of the text is bold.
A true Scotsman doing a fake " Scotty" accent brought such joy to my bitter heart. It really drives home how bad that accent was but how iconic it was at the same time
Now we just need a Russian to do a Pavel Chekov accent.
Grain was the only character that had a full story arc: a back story then planting to growing to harvesting to processing. So clearly Snyder CAN do character arcs.
You fool. Every character had an arc and they were wonderfully executed. You just don't understand.
This is just the beginning of Snyder's Grainverse.
@@CornyBum It will be called the Rebel Moon universe, actually.
@@Rotom0479 Ummmmmmm actually, I just left a board meeting at Netflix. Analytics overwhelmingly prove that the films are most consistently watched (and rewatched) by Middle American states with high rates of grain farming, and the slow-motion shots of the grain are the most watched bits of both films. Creative control has been renegotiated with Zack Snyder, and it's been decided: this is Zack Snyder's Grainverse, and the grain will take a bigger and bigger role as the films progress.
There may or may not be a huge twist at the climax of the fifth film, in which the grain turns on both the Motherworld and the current roster of heroes, but you didn't hear it from me.
What am I saying, I shouldn't be posting any of this. You're welcome (to the Grainverse).
@@CornyBum No, the Grainverse is a stupid name. It'll be called the Rebel Moon universe. Learn it well.
Ahem, this movie is awesome. Movies don't have enough grain representation! The fact that it focuses on grain, it's harvesting and milling is a testament to Zack Snyder!😂
Years of reading 2000ad comics and old 40k fluff I fully accept coal fed captured gods powering a starship
2000ad is a banger
I mean, School of Magical Animals 2 just dropped a trailer, and that's essentially a cross between Sing and The Golden Compas (but European). :P
It's not the coal that powers the spaceship, it's the workers' Ork-level _faith_ in the imprisoned coal god that powers it all.
Remember 300 and watchmen what happened to you zack
if you watched just those two movies you'd think he was pretty good. those both still hold up imo. but thinking that you would be sadly mistaken. lol. the dude is a joke.
@@Shlogger
They’re good cos Zach didn’t write them, only directed them. He’s really good at making established works shiny. His problem is he thinks that means he can write, too.
What happened is he's writing his own stuff now. Both of those are based on graphic novels written by other people. So the two "best" things he ever did are the two he didn't write haha.
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access yea unfortunately the younger me didnt want to believe it at the time
I didn't like watchman. Even dawn of the dead was alright. 300 always a good time. Man of steel was the longest episode of dragonball z. Batman v Superman was stupid. Didn't bother with the synder cut. He's always been a one trick poney
They need Talkie Toaster from Red Dwarf for all that bread.
"Would you like some toast?"
"Given that God is infinite, and the universe is infinite, would you like some toast?"
@@filteredjc4653 What about a muffin?
You don't make a franchise off of a 5 minute concept. 💯😂🎉
“With enough slow motion, you can!”
-Zack Snyder
Zack Snyder did. Deal with it 😎
@@Rotom0479 to be a 'franchise' you need more than 2 bad movies and the promise of a bunch of other media, some of which has already been cancelled
@@petriew2018 that's because so many people want to hold Zack Snyder down. They're trying to stop him from unleashing his wondrous vision unto the world.
Several dozen concept trailers have proven that statement false in at least a handful of cases? :P
Just the fact they did a science fiction story where the evil empire wants "grain" is pretty hilarious. Like they could have just made them miners or something where they extract unobtainium or burbaru for sci fi travel, heck even call it "spice" and rip off Dune, and it would have at least been believable. They literally just made a western set in space, with the same stuff a western would be about. It is actually kind of funny.
Exactly. That's because Zack Snyder is a genius, he doesn't need some MacGuffin substance to make his films good.
I mean, if you REALLY want to question something about the film, how about this?
Villagers pile flour all around their buildings so that they can't be targeted from orbit, but then has to face a hostile ground force that LITERALLY wants to level the village (based on the firepower they are bringing to the fight), blowing one of the biggest buildings to kingdom come (and destroying a large amount of flour in the process). Also, the ground troops were returning fire, which I'm going to assume ALSO hit various flour bags.
Also, why did those special unit of soldiers go into the one building to engage the villlagers, when their objective (the flour was stacked all around the EXTERIOR of the building)? Wouldn't it just have made more sense to take the flour scattered around the building and highlight it out of there?
Grain would make sense, if its several trillion tons a year from a massive, mechanized farming world, feeding their millions of troops and crew of their ships. And this world is thinking about rebelling so a powreful Admiral is sent to crush it. But this village can make a couple tons a year maximum? Since they do it all by hand, wtf.
@@nicholastuttle2445 It makes sense of you really think about it. And when you do, you'll realize it's brilliance.
@@Rotom0479No it doesn’t.
It needs 20x more slow motion shots to be good
Steam machines to harvest grain existed since the end of the XIX century, still they Need to do It by hand... But with a Flying cart.
But i'm sure the snyder's snyder cut with his 3 days of runtime Will fix this.
We will see the scene where they grind the grain to turn it into flour, in slow motion, finally, the true climax of the story, I can't wait for the scene where the bread is in the oven in slow motion
....but I like really slowly fermented beer. 😢
The film is already perfect. The Director's cut will make it extra perfect.
@@Rotom0479 that's funny..😂😂😂😂
@@tshegofatsoletlape8721 Except it will.
The Zach Snyder challenge will be to watch all of the rebel moon movies in a row without falling asleep
What's the prize? A colonoscopy?
"You'll get used to it. Or, you'll have a psychotic episode."
I did. Y'all just have no patience, and y'all have no understanding of masterful cinema.
Ok, how much grain you dare to bet?
Would lose on the first slo-mo shot 😂
ChatGDP? Write me a Star Wars movie that’s not Star Wars.
Zack Snyder did, and it put all of Star Wars to shame.
One of the more interesting little scifi short stories I ever read centered around the idea that the secret to FTL travel was actually very simple and our civilization simply missed it. So 'first contact' for us was a bunch of steampunk soldiers with muskets coming out of a bronze spaceship, announcing the conquest of earth, and promptly getting blown to hell by the National Guard. Humanity rapidly expanded its empire after that.
Rebel Moon has far less thought put into it than this 15 page story I read twenty years ago.
Sounds like a story called "The Road Not Taken" by Harry Turtledove. It's a classic, the image of a bunch of aliens filing out of a spaceship and attacking with matchlock muskets.... Great example of how technological progress isn't always going to be linear, just ask the people who came after the Romans.
*Slaps roof of spaceship* "You can fit so many cosmic space gods in this bad boy."
Wouldn't be the FIRST TIME a fake space god would want to hitch a ride on a spaceship? :P
The only precedent I can think of for a fleet having to go home after losing an admiral is how in 1241 the Mongols pulled back from their invasion of Europe because the great Khan died and the princes needed to be present for the election of the next Khan. However, the Mongols were not an organized empire ruling over many worlds across the stars.
well you put the coal core into a black hole, and you siphon out the black photons
The warm liquid goo phase always reminds me of Austin Powers now. I never take it seriously as a trope anymore.
To paraphrase Star Trek V: "What does a starship need with a god?"
Star Trek v is under rated. Yeah it sux but u get some friends over with proper party favors it's a fun time to laugh at it. Also iv read William shatners memoirs and he got screwed on the budget for the movie
What wouldn't it need with a God? You just don't know.
Gods are imminently useful whenever dealing with ignorant locals is necessary. If you doubt, just ask the Catholic Church.
You have to achieve the machine spirit.
Zack Snyder is a like ordering Michael Bay off Wish.
I loved the part where the moon said “it’s rebellin’ time” and rebelled all over the place. Truly a moment that was filmed and caused emotions.
You laugh and mock it, but Rebel Moon will be a film for all generations.
@@Rotom0479
@@Rotom0479yup it’ll be used as an example of film study
_"One of the movies of all time"_ - Admin
I was moved to immediately moon my family in response.
(your comment was stolen by a thot bot, BTW)
Why are they using medieval farming tools, in a era where they have interplanetary space travel ?
Don’t ask questions, just consume product then get excited for next product.
Because they're poor.
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@@furiouskaiser9914 you may laugh, but absolutely EVERYBODY should see this film. It's a triumph for humanity.
@Rotom0479 Forgive me, person on the internet, for I apparently cannot see what it is that you see. Please explain how this movie is "a triumph for humanity."
As a wheat enthusiast, I was pretty pleased with this movie
I’m an old Zach Snyder fan and to be honest I just recently went back and rewatched all of his good movies and I’m like… wtf happened yo? 😂
Drinker putting on a made for TV Scottish accent to mimic Scotty is the Drinkception I didn't know I needed.
The coal powered spaceships could have been neat if they had the balls to go full retrofuturerism / steampunk, but from what I saw they are using modern sci-fi weapons and rocket launchers, so yeah…
Alien Romulus: I got you covered!
Make the dreadnought an _actual_ dreadnought, floating in space
The fight scene with the orchestra is a complete K-Mart bastardization of the opera scene in The Fifth Element. They thought the concept was cool without bothering to think about WHY it works in Fifth Element.
Grain
Pain and Grain
I once heard that the most important and underrated skill that a filmmaker can have is the ability to pitch movies to studio executives. Adam Sandler is said to be excellent at this, which is a big reason why he’s been able to make so many movies despite the fact that they don’t usually do that well. Perhaps Zack Snyder is amazing at pitching movies and ideas to executives…
That's because he's a true visionary. 😎
This series will forever be known as Pain and Grain
Djimon Hiunsou is great in everything and adds quality to everything I’ve seen him in. It takes real skill to make him look bad in a really bad movie.
And Anthony Hopkins just collected his check and called it a day. What a shame.
My friend is a Zach Snyder fanboy and he’s already rolling out the usual snyder fanboy defense for this film, telling me that the directors cut will be good and is waiting for it to come out. He says it’s Netflix fault for restricting the movie’s runtime and thinks that they should just let Snyder make it as long as he wants to. He also claims toxic haters are review bombing the movie.
I commented before on your opinion with part one, disagreeing on the Zach Snyder slow motion shots. NOW, i got the sense Snyder saw your reviews and doubled down on the slow motion for part two.
Lost it laughing at the wheat shots in slow motion.
I fast forwarded through all of the grain harvesting, it legitimately saved me ten minutes.
Hahaha 😂 that is fantastic. I was laughing through the shots, I did skip the random singing part when the male character just stood there and everyone was silent for 5 mins.
Thank you, Mr. Drinker for subjecting yourself to these atrocities so we don't have to.
Nora Palpatine reminds me of Sir Lancelot the Brave from Monty Python the Holy Grail when he starts killing all the wedding guests in the castle.
"Idiom!"
Where is Mystery Science Theater 3000 when we need them? This sounds like comedy gold! Sounds like Snyder is becoming the Ed Wood of the 21st century, but Ed Wood if he had a multimillion dollar budget.
The Musicians were amazing. They played her out and everything. I was truly entertained by them and lmao.
They perfectly matched the music to the action THEY COULDN'T SEE due to the BAGS over their head!
@@DarkTider Literally; A Spectacularly Stupid Scene.
Snyder: Guys just wait for the Director’s Cut! It’ll be better, Trust me.
It'll be more than perfect. I can't wait for it.
To be fair with Spaceballs it would be a comically oversized battery. And they would put it backwards on the first go.
Honestly Spaceballs is more original than both parts of Rebel Moon is which is funny since the former was a parody of Star Wars and the latter feels more like a ripoff.
Zack (straight to DVD) Snyder
Rather than going for the wheat, they should have been Mining for some sort of special fuel for their coal powered spaceships.That would make way more sense if you could only get that special fuel from that planet.
Sadly I've a feeling that even if Zack Snyder went with what you proposed he'll somehow mess it up.
IF they went after a sole fuel source, that would have made for ONE HELL of a strategic target for the Resistance, never mind the fact that they would have had FULL LEGIONS of ground troops stationed at such an important key asset in their space military industry.
A coal powered Enterprise would have the most buff Scotty in the multiverse.
Drink your muscle milk scotty we need warp 8.
I can’t wait for the directors cut where we watch grain grow and coal get made under the pressure of his ego, for 7 days.
Its like Snyder learned the US Navy carriers are steam driven and thought he could transfer that over into space travel and people would just accept it.
Yeah, because nuclear reactions creating steam from water are exactly the same as burning fuel
Someone asked Zack Snyder: Who's your favorite comicbook writer? "Frank Miller"
Where did you learn how to write your characters in your movies? "Frank Miller" 😂😂🤣🤣
I bet rebel moon’s fight scenes aren’t as bad as the last jedi’s throne room fight 😂
they are worse
Is not as bad. It's worse😂😂😂😂
There both really bad.
You'd lose that bet
Rebel Moon's fight scenes make all of Star Wars' fight scenes look like a middle school production. You just don't know.
I know what this movie needs, 2-3 more hours of grain footage
There’s a reason these films were released on Netflix and not in theaters.
Exactly. Because the films were too good to be released in theaters. This film only deserves to be seen by the worthy.
Steam powered: You'd also run out of water like crazy. Something needs to vent out the back to provide the force.
Introducing Zack Snyder’s retitled masterpiece of shit: The Grain.
Not to be confused with a real masterpiece of sages: The Grey.
Burning fuel also reminds me of TLJ when Rian Johnson introduced “burning fuel” to Star Wars. Brilliant.
I mean, Star Trek Voyager introduced "space garbage dumping" as one of its weekly moral dilemmas in one of the later seasons' episodes. And yes, it's illogical why you wouldn't just send something like that into a sun (when you've got sun-sized furnace to work with, and an easy way to destroy any evidence of "dumping").
There was a cut scene in Episode 3 involving a giant liquid fuel tank catching fire, but it was removed because it frankly just wasn't any good.
@@sigmacademy I think it was final season of TNG where they discovered the warp lanes were wearing out from overuse so needed 'speed' limits or something
The Army of the Dead is in my TOP WORST 5 MOVIES EVER.
Denial- Batman v Superman
Anger- Josstice League
Bargaining- Zack Snyder's Justice League
Depression- Army of the Dead
Acceptance- Rebel Moon
It's funny because I can explain how a warp engine assembly goes together in a Starfleet starship and what all the major parts do. These are story telling ASSETS!
Coal-powered space ship isn't a new idea in cinema. It was already tried in Airplane! 2. :D
Why aren’t these farmers in the far future using combine harvesters?
Why does the galactic space empire with big need grain from these farmers in the first place? If you can travel through space you can grow your own food.
My speculation is that they know the farmers are largely unarmed and not a match for them. The problem is, the director has ALREADY shown you just how big the MotherWorld's army was in that celebration scene in the first movie, so it seems unlikely that such a small village could really provide them with any significant number of resources.
Happy that Disparu is in the team!
This is my favorite lineup you guys.
He (Zack) went out into space found boredom and brought it back to us out of spite.😂😂😂 Kevin out on his own is all they crap sinse the end of phase 3.
I like disparu saying he likes some good shots by Snyder. It’s the thing he’s actually a good director as long as he’s got someone to reel him in. Horrible writer though.
This. Very good cinematographer, hit or miss director, awful writer.
Coal powered space ship is a Futurama joke, the episode where they are on the Space Titanic.
"No pain, no grain" was a great line.
Actually it's..."no grain, no pain"...since you need grain...to make french bread
I really wanted to watch this. It looked so cool. Then I saw the director and I thought I'd save what brain cells I have left.
I kind of like the way it looks too. All the pictures show the girl with the angry cut hair and the barely hanging-on cape with the large moon backdrop. But from that picture, I'm surprised the planet is agrarian. I would have guessed that it was urban, like the last of what remains of a once-great civilization. (Maybe something akin to a Tasha Yar backstory in Star Trek: The Next Generation.) I like the aesthetics, but it confuses me. Maybe they explain it in the movie?
Nah, it'll be fine 🍻
Their conversation about slow motion made me recall the south park episode "this is lesbos".... When miss garrison had to heroically make coffee in slow motion
The two Sherlock Holmes films with RDJ in them had slow mo, but it was in parts where it worked. Not shoved in everywhere.
After he ruined Doomsday made him get beaten by bunch of rockets i already lost hope for this director he doesn't have enough good skills to direct his movies
he's just not anywhere near as talented, creative or intelligent as he thinks he is.
in army of the dead a Hummer goes offroad and gets disabled because of that... i turned off army of the dead rite then. Its ok to have portions of your movie that people have to suspend disbelief but sometimes zack goes too far.
Zack wanted a scene where a guy gets kicked into the furnace so he made up coal powered spaceship.
As a celiac, this film was a crime against my humanity! 😅
I'm usually defending Zack Snyder (I still think Man of Steel, BvS and his cut of Justice League are solid movies), but his last couple of movies were really undercooked mess. He's a great visual director (he made a silent short movie couple of years ago and it was one of his best works in the last 10 years), but as a screenwriter he's stuck between being juvenile, edgy and pretentious. Sometimes having too much creative freedom isn't a good thing and Snyder is a good example of that.
George Lucas is another one. Most of us really need people who can check our worst impulses
Even then I've heard the cinematographer for a lot of his movies wasn't even him
Yeah it's just as bad as Fallout
Get this guy treatment for the obvious head injury.
@@greedowins2917 Get this jelly-mold out of here.
Disparu's double video about Rebel moon 2 was quite great... shredding it to the core.
The world building was so bad all around that it felt like it was written by some twelve year old edgelord in a creative writing class. The characters have practically no dialogue or story arcs to explore and I had zero attachments to them.
You guys are also spot on about the tech making no sense either. I loved the battlecruiser using thermal imaging to look at the villagers in the houses but not seeing the people in shallow ambush tunnels on the suspiciously open field nearby. The Senate assassination scene was terrible too in too many ways to mention.
I wouldn't compare these films to Chick-fil-A, they seem even more bland, processed and uninspired to me. Rebel Moon is the pink slime filled Chicken McNuggets of cinema.
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The thing about the grain. You can't have star-faring technology in the same universe as you have people using hand tools to bring in grain and have it mean anything. Those are 2000 year apart ideas, and to get to starship you go through many different versions of tractor on the way. This show has absolutely no idea how much land area it takes to produce food to feed any sort of significant population.
Let's put it in prospective another way. In the 1800's 40% of the entire labour force of the US was dedicated solely to producing food. A scant 200 years later and that number had dropped down to 1 or 2%, who now produce an excess of food. The freed up 38% of the workforce for science, art and all kinds of other jobs never before imagined.
The problem with the space coal isn't the substance itself, it's that any star-faring civilisation has worked out a far more accurate way to feed the engine of it's ships by the time they reach that level. A shovel is one of the least accurate measures to feed an engine. Anyone that knows even just a little about carburettors, turbos etc knows that to get high performance you need precise actions on the fuel going in to get high performance.
But ok, let's say this is a steampunk-like world, and they really really really realllllyyyy want to it be coal... then you need to show that in the rest of the movie. It's ok to have evolution follow a different path but you at least need to explain it. And you can have your big coal scene, just have people monitoring it, and not some poor lad shovelling it all day when a small conveyor belt would do the same job 100 times better.
So they can capture a god to power their starships, bring dead admirals back from the dead, warp travel through vagina portals, invent sentient robot soldiers but haven't figured out how to feed their army and need grain.
The really crappy thing about that coal powered engine is, could they seriously not create just a coal dumping mechanism to fuel the engine rather than having people slave away to do so? Surely that would be a more efficient method, putting the exact amount required of 'suspiciouly coal looking mineral' into the engine as required.
Scotty is on a peleton powering the Enterprise.
I NEED. Critical Drinker to do more Scottie impressions, that was great.
Zach: a vote against me is a vote for the focus group! You’re saying you want the happy meal!
Orrrrrrrr you just suck at writing, Zach