There's an entire subculture of black Americans who not only think Cleopatra was black but that ancient Egypt was a "black African" civilization. All the depictions showing otherwise are fakes done by white supremacists for some nefarious purpose.
Egyptologist Sally-Ann Ashton who worked as a consultant for Netflix stated, “Cleopatra ruled in Egypt long before the Arab settlement in North Africa,” Ashton said in a statement. “If the maternal side of her family were indigenous women, they would’ve been African, and this should be reflected in contemporary representations of Cleopatra.”
I wonder how many more times I'll see this comment copied from the original, higher rated one. My guess is thousands lol, people can't help but copy top comments and farm them upvotes. And they always have the same reply somehow, "I didn't see the top rated comment!"....c'mon son lol
And we never get to hear any such stories when these twats pull their own "history facts" out of their arse. If there's so much real material, then what's with the BS and lies?
The funniest thing about this whole thing is is that by just race swapping Cleopatra they unintentionally just said that there were no actual black queens who were worth talking about
Exactly. Plus, if you need to rely on race swapping, you're also saying that you don't think your race can make good characters on their own and need to rely on (insert other race) to make good original characters from them. It's self-racist and hillarious.
They dont wanna talk about african queens, because in true history, african kings and queens would sell their own as slaves. In fact many cultures in the past used to do this, specially in tribal cultures. They didnt wanna make a documentary against that because its not in their political agenda.
The actual funniest part is Netflix lost the lawsuit that Egypt hit them with and they have to remove this abomination and pay Egypt 2 billion dollars…..it’s fucking hilarious actually.😅
Cleopatra was able to accept her African and Greek heritage. To the Egyptians she was Isis, to the Romans she was Venus. You can be more than one thing
The sheer level of projection with their "why is her skin color so important to you" had me floored. If her skin color didn't matter, then why are they changing it?
Whose changing it?? Have you seen a photo of Cleopatra which by the way isn't her original name, have you seen her remains?? So how do you what she looks like??
@@taz09216 We know she wasn't black African from contemporary depictions. It's not just that they show her with light skin and hair that a black woman wouldn't have - the strongest evidence is her facial structure which is nothing like those of black Africans.
The irony is in this situation is the fact she was a European/Macedonian who was literally a colonizer of an African nation. This is how you know the woketards are just stupid. You can cover all the bases of wokism.
She wasn't exactly "white" like Hollywood America thinks of "black" and "white" but that's the issue. Hollywood and the far left ideologues are so racist that they can ONLY see the world in black or white. They literally had a meltdown when an actual Hawaiian actress was cast to play a Hawaiian character in a movie, because her skin was "too light a shade". These people are the actual bigots they accuse everyone else of being. Of course anyone with even half a brain already knows this, but i think the normies are finally starting to wake up to the fact that the woke are the most close minded bigoted fucksticks out there... ironically.
@KnowvilleKnows she came from a weird aristocratic family that intermarried the hell out of each other and, if historical claims are accurate, may have been the first of her family to actually speak Ancient Egyptian along with Greek. She may not have been "white" depending on what you define Greeks as, but she sure as hell wasn't "mixed".
@@Azgalon In the context of Cleopatra she was 100% white. It underminds the entire history of tolemaic egypt. They were colonized by a European power(macedon), if you want to get preachy focus on that. I'd be cool with that woman playing an egyptian female Pharos if it was dated back 2,000 bc. She's blackish, but I sincerely doubt she'd stand out if it her hair was straight in ancient egypt.
@@dixonhill1108 I'm not disagreeing that she was white. I'm replying to the guy above saying she was "mixed" which she absolutely was not. She was Greek which is white in the context of this discussion (but some people differentiate Mediterranean white from Northern European white). The black revisionism of the Mediterranean, be it Ancient Egypt or Carthage, is a joke.
You mean Greek Macedonians at the time weren’t black?!! I never knew 😱 In all seriousness. When I heard about a lawsuit I thought it was Greece at first lol
@@lobehold2263 in a hilariously bad attempt at being diverse they managed to offend an entire african country... that's kind of the opposite of what they were trying to do
@@siegebreaker4120 no kidding, they dropped the ball big time. Especially because the Ptolemys practiced inbreeding a lot. That or they married into other diadochi families. So there blood didn’t dilute much from their origin
My wife started to watch this show the other night while I was cooking dinner. About five minutes in I heard a speaker say, “Despite what they told you in school, Cleopatra was Black!” and I just started laughing hysterically. And thank you Drinker, after I finished laughing I said, “Oh yes, I definitely smell shite!”
@@strange-universe Don't forget the actual descriptions of Jesus as a caucasian or the actual descriptions of people like David and Joseph in the Bible as redheads.
The statement Netflix, "Cleopatra was Black," and the response from Egypt, "No, she wasn't," indicate a difference in perspectives and ideologies regarding Cleopatra's racial background. Let's expand on this topic. The assertion that "Cleopatra was Black" refers to the belief that Cleopatra, the famous queen of ancient Egypt, had African ancestry and should be considered a person of African descent. This viewpoint is often supported by proponents who argue that Cleopatra hailed from a region with a diverse population, including Greek, Egyptian, and African people, and that her family, the Ptolemies, had a history of intermarriage with Africans. Advocates of this perspective may emphasize Cleopatra's interactions with African rulers and her connections to Egypt's southern regions, which had closer cultural and ethnic ties to Sub-Saharan Africa. They might also point to ancient artistic representations of Cleopatra that feature her with features associated with African heritage, such as a broad nose or dark complexion. On the other hand, the response from Egypt, stating, "No, she wasn't," reflects an opposing viewpoint. This perspective holds that Cleopatra, as a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, was primarily of Greek descent and should be considered ethnically Greek or Caucasian. It argues that while Egypt had contact and trade with various regions, including Africa, Cleopatra herself did not have a significant African heritage. Proponents of this viewpoint may focus on the historical context of the Ptolemaic dynasty, which originated from Macedonian Greece and ruled over Egypt for several centuries. They might also highlight Cleopatra's lineage, tracing her ancestry back to Ptolemy I Soter, a Greek general under Alexander the Great. It's important to note that the debate surrounding Cleopatra's ethnicity and racial background is not a recent phenomenon. Historians and scholars have engaged in discussions on this topic for many years, considering various primary sources, archaeological evidence, and cultural contexts. Ultimately, the question of Cleopatra's racial identity remains complex and multifaceted. The lack of definitive historical evidence regarding her physical appearance and the diverse influences within ancient Egypt make it challenging to reach a consensus. The contrasting ideologies surrounding Cleopatra's race reflect the ongoing discourse in historical and cultural studies, where interpretations and perspectives can differ based on individual perspectives, biases, and available evidence.
Netflix: "When you care about race so much in favor of black it's woke, but when you care about race so much in anything else including truth and historical facts: it's racist. 😂"
I remember my grandmother telling me " I don't care what they told you in school, George Washington was actually a black lesbian single woman named Georgina."
Amazon: I can ruin a classic trilogy (LOTR) Disney: that's nothing, I can ruin a cinematic universe (MCU) Netflix: hold my bud-light. I will ruin history.
@@Ihavethetouch I don't recall any movie called Revenge of the Sith... I do remember Return of the Jedi, which was originally called "Revenge" of the Jedi. There have been a few cool video games though, some even cover the clone wars!
Tbf the people living in modern Egypt don't have anything to do with that culture. Would be the same as saying that latin Americans are the heirs of Aztec culture
@@Ind3xPlus so you basically said that people today have nothing to do with slavery, yet black people want compensation from current year white people. Fucking dope XD
I'm Egyptian and I am so glad the entire internet gave those clowns the reality check they desperately needed. EDIT: Just wanna add something for the clowns who claim us modern Egyptians are occupiers that have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians. Modern Egyptians are only 17% Arab according to their DNA, with the rest of modern Egyptians' genetic makeup being 68% North African, 4% Jewish, 3% East African, 3% from Asia Minor and another 3% South European. Based on DNA sequencing of Ancient Egyptian mummies. Source: National Geographic Genographic Project Another thing to know is we do have a black minority called the Nubians residing in southern Egypt. Egyptians have a huge variety of skin colors. We're not exclusively white or black.
They managed to unite the Egyptians into defending the friggin' Ptolemies. The Ptolemies! The quintessential foreign dynasty occupying and exploiting one of the most important Empires of our civilization down the decadence drain until it became a mere Roman Imperial Province. That's some incredible accomplishment from Netflix.
They made a show more hated than Velma that also managed to piss off an entire country and unite large sections of the internet against them. I don't know what to say.
These ‘creators’ are so indoctrinated by their whole worldview that they, I think, really believe that any insistence on historical fact is ‘systemic racism’. These people are racist. They only see race. Not substance. Not truth. Not historical accuracy. Just racism. Everything is racism. And it all points to their own intrinsic value as higher and better than all others because of their supposed victimized status. Nevermind they’re adulterating elites who live in a bubble of class and wealth. Everyone has to affirm their ‘blackness’. It’s all so off-putting and would be laughable if it wasn’t straight up dystopian. Anyway. That’s all I’ve got for today.
It's Ironic how Hollywood is airbrushing historical figures to make them black while until recently they had been white washing almost everything Asian character in films and tv shows White. Avatar the Last Airbender where all the main characters were Asian but cast as white people. Ghost in a Shell where Major Motoko Kusanagi is a Japanese police Major recast by white actress, Scarlett Johansson.
Apparently, calling out historical inaccuracies is racist now? When everything is “racist”, nothing is. Sadly, all the power behind the word is quickly losing its meaning due to so much crying wolf.
@@JustDatBoi by labeling all white men racist, they’ve inadvertently created more of them, like me. Technically, I’m “prejudice,” but because they would call that raysism’ I claim the label without care.
"I remember my grandmother telling me 'I don't care what they tell you in school - *THE MOON IS MADE OF CHEESE* '" This is about the level these clowns operate on.
Hoo boy. If we’re gonna open that whole “my grandma/grandpa told me _________________” can of worms, as a basis for ultimate truth, it could get interesting.
And sadly this is the same logic lots of people apply towards science. Who cares that there's overwhelming scientific evidence and experience about the importance of vaccines, the shape of the planet or the origin of mankind, if it doesn't meet their mental image of reality it's automatically thrown out the window
This is a win for logic and education. Imagine that we're living in a world where Jada Smith, who barely knows the location of the US, let alone Egypt, is trying to question the arguments of the Egyptian experts, including the Egyptian guy who literally led the search for the tomb of Cleopatra. And the fact that the whole cast of this "documentary" didn't include a single Egyptian historian is unbleavble. That's like a Chinese movie company making a documentary about George Washington and all the experts in the documentary being Chinese.
She's an actress trying to act like a big brain. Kind of like most activists come to think of it. She should stick to mediocre acting and cucking her husband.
I love the fact that compared to this "documentary" the Asterix and Obelix Mission Cleopatra is more accurate, even to the point where Cleopatra says "I will defend my people" and Caesar reply with "What do you mean your people? You are Greek, arent you?" :D :D :D
It gets better. The actress who played Cleopatra said that Egyptians are racist and don't know their own history if they don't believe ancient Egyptians were black. I've also seen defenders of the show say the same thing and I'll bet you anything those people aren't Egyptian. Can you imagine being an Egyptian and having someone from another race claim they know your own history better than you do? Egotistical doesn't even BEGIN to describe it!
My grandmother always used to tell me, "No matter what Netflix shows you.... not all African queens are black". It was a weird thing to say considering Netflix didn't even exist back then, but hey. I can rewrite history too
I am an Italian engineer and I am quite offended by the fact that they portraied ancient romans as barbarians. Wtf. They wrote half of my university books
Forgive me but I must paraphrase one of my favorite movies, the life of Brian. “What did the Romans ever give us “ “ aqueducts, law, sanitation, libraries”. “Well, other than that, what did they give us?
"Why do some people need Cleopatra to be white?" So close. SO CLOSE to self-awareness. Just ask yourself that question, but ask why YOU, Jada, need her to be black when she wasn't?
There's a definitive reason ironically, she was literally a european ruling an african nation. They just white washed Greco Roman history, we probably should be thanking them. It's so ironic that a great example of europeans literally enslaving africans get's turned on its head.
The part that gets me, tbh, is how the showrunner lady says something to the effect of "We don't know that she was black for sure, but we for sure know she wasn't white like Elizabeth Taylor" It's just... the logic literally doesn't work. The only way to know for sure she wasn't white is if you for sure know what she is. If you don't for sure know she was black, how can you for sure know that she wasn't white? Like... you get what I mean, right?
@@deleteman900 We don' t know what Cleopatra looks like thanks to Cleopatra. She would change her appearance based on her circumstance. She actually dressed like a Roman Matron when she was in Rome. She looks more "Greek" in Sculptures and coins because she probably ordered the artist to do so.
The weird undertones of the whole black civilization thing sounds eerily similar to the Ayran myths of the Nazis. Afrocentrism have created this mythology where all the ancient was black including Greece stretching all the way to Japan as though there were some kind of homogeneous connection to it all and something to be proud of while indignant it was stolen and hidden from them - again similar to the Ayran myths. Funny thing is this black identity means little in Africa North or sub-saharan. It's primarily an American thing
All I remember from that Malcolm X movie is Denzel washington getting shot about 10000 in his death scene. As a kid I was shocked by how many bullets he took like it was a bb gun.
Ask the Egyptians. 😂😂😂 . As a south east Asian, it pokes my eyes to see Asians acting as the white British general and his white wife by putting on makeup in history movies. Eye sore.
@@kapawtaw hah. also like, will the world be offended if a highschool full of asians decide to put on a play of hamilton and nobody's black or white? what if a school in africa decide to put on a play of Mulan? They're actors. People need to get a grip.
It's not America; it's the race-baiting shock jocks in media who think offensive lies will garner enough attention to turn a profit, regardless of the division their mindset sews.
The most evil thing these people are doing is trying to rewrite reality through the news and pop culture. They want everything to bend to their ideas and it's the biggest assault on truth possible. I refuse to give a cent to any of those woke corporations I hope they all crash and burn.
@@Kai...999, people who try to shape history to fit their ideology often lie, whether they realize it or not. The primary agenda in pursuing history should be to discover truth, not shape it. Ideology blinds.
It's weird because there are Nubian and Kushite Pharos of Egypt that they could have told the story about in actual Egyptian history But NOOOOOOOOOO they won't even tell their own story of Africa and it's people they need to tell the story of already existing and established stories with now a darker complexion because "muh feelings"
I love how the producers didn’t even realize Cleopatra wasn’t black, she was a Ptolemy, who were greek, she wasn’t an African she was a Greek. They would have known this if they had bothered to do 15 minutes of research
hello? THEY KNOW. Everybody with half a brain knows Cleopatra was white (Greek). They purposely ignored it because they are trying to change history, wanting to make it less white.
how's it racist if shes half white half black? Do we ignore the half white side just because she has colour to her skin? Her mum must be disgusted by all the undercover racists
Netflix is going to lose big time on this lawsuit. If they try to fight it, they'll spend millions on lawyers and the court will still rule on behalf of the Egyptian litigants. If they try to settle, that move will be construed as an admission of guilt. I hope Jada was named as a defendant in the lawsuit. She's the one who truly needs to be held accountable.
“I have asked Egyptians to see themselves as Africans” is a really funny way of saying “I’m trying to tell people how they should view themselves so it aligns with my worldview”
The most insane angle here is the idea that a western filmmaker of Iranian heritage believes that casting a mixed-race British woman in the role of a Greek-Egyptian queen is a pathway to teaching modern Egyptian people about their own identity, and that she is somehow responsible for teaching this lesson while ignoring the protests of actual Egyptian scholars. The absolute narcissism and entitlement in that statement is shocking.
And she clearly thinks all Africans are black! She wants them to see them selves as black, but she says African because she thinks they are the same thing.
Not So Fun Fact: One of the directors behind the Cleopatra documentary, claimed that she was psychic and that Cleopatra’s dead spirit had visited her in a dream.
You know, this reminds me of a tidbit about the production of the 1981-Movie "Inchon" I came across on wikipedia: _" In 1978, psychic Jeanne Dixon was consulted to communicate with the spirit of General MacArthur, and Dixon said that MacArthur's spirit endorsed the production of the film."_ You might know this, but "Inchon" was a notorious disaster at the box office.
I am an archaeologist and I can say that the fictional movie from half a century ago with Elizabeth Taylor was much, and I mean MUCH more historically accurate than this "documentary". I dont mean just the casting. Cleopatra VII, Marcus Antonius, Julius Caesar were portrayed in the 1963 movie closely to how historical sources described their characters. The costumes were sometimes very decadent (especially Taylors), yet still clearly inspired by Egyptian, Roman and Greek fashion and some were actual copies (we can see Roman toga praetexta, toga virilis, Greek Macedonian cuirass etc). The settings were impressively well done (part of the movie was set in original locations in Egypt and Rome). And there was attention to details, you can see the ancient customs like libation, sacrifice, discussion of battle strategies or even Caesars illness depicted very well. We can not be certain how ancient Greek, Roman or Egyptian music sounded, but it certainly was more appropriately depicted in the old movie than in this documentary, where we see Cleopatra swing her swords to sound of African tribal drums... come on now. So it is kind of ironic that they are dissing this half century old movie for historical inaccuracy when it was actually created with a lot more respect and dare I say knowledge about this fascinating historical figure and time period.
I love it when these activists try to color history with their modern biases (no pun intended). The modern understanding of "white" did not exist back then in the way we understand it today, especially in the Mediterranean, which was essentially one big melting pot. Cleopatra was probably swarthy, like many women in the Mediterranean, but she was DEFINITELY not a "melanated sister."
@@darthdaddy3071 Correct. Back then, all of the "Whites" were very much killing each other off for being Etruscan, Greek, Thracian or whatever else. All "White" by today's definition but obviously they didn't give a damn.
@@darthdaddy3071 so who are the giant statues of black people . we know that cleopatra was after Egypt was abandon so she probally wasent but those Pharoahs that look like NBA players..who are they
I can’t wait for these new historical documentaries!: - Hitler starring Idris Elba - Martin Luther King Jr. starring Ryan Gosling - Melissa McCarthy as Ghandi - Jackie Chan as Rosa Parks - Taylor Swift as Harriet Tubman - Shaq as Queen Elizabeth - Lizzo as Frida Kahlo - Rupaul Charles as Joseph Stalin
Okay, I need to ask: how come every time someone makes this, Ryan Gosling is ALWAYS fancasted as MLK? Is there something I am missing? Like, Gosling saying that he would have loved to play him, or perhaps there's a role where he's pretty much MLK or something
As an Egyptian I feel disgusted knowing that these people are rewriting my history to suit their own needs and political 'correctness'. Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek and to say otherwise considering the continuous historical evidence is simply blind and ignorant. They are hiding under the guise of inclusivity to insult and demean my culture, and I'm not standing for it. It hurts to see their 'cleopatra' being the first image to pop up on the Google search of her name.
On the bright side, all i knew about cleopatra was that she was supposedly incredibly beautiful... now i know she wasn't a great leader and a lot about her ancestry and life.
I can feel your pain mate! The west has to (not everyone) force their ideals somewhere else! We even look up to the ancient Egypt as a great civilization despite our own civilization which has craziest hydrological advancements (South Asia). But it seems they can't respond to their social issues with proper solutions. Instead, they distort the culture & history of nations & people which had done nothing wrong to them.
@@hasithagayalambattaya8929 it's ok. I kind of assume that everyone means america anyway. I am from england... we are hated for plenty of reasons, but hollywood isn't one of them at least 😅
My grandmother, a lovely women of 5’3” with an amazing voice and clear blue eyes told me that she was closely related to Prince Phillip. She wasn’t, she was just a bit confused. Bless her 🥰
I now demand a movie about Shaka Zulu to be made and I want him 'reimagined' as a ginger irishman. My grandma told me, "No matter what they teach you at school, Shaka Zulu was a pasty ginger."
I still can't believe Netflix is actively trying to tell Egypt their wrong, I feel they would know their own historical figures better than an American Based Streaming Service
The funniest thing is modern Egyptians are Arabs, so they don't even have any stake in the Greek dynasties or even the original ancient Egyptians. The modern Egyptians complaining is purely from historical inaccuracy, not even a you vs me thing.
Saying Cleopatra is black because she was born on the Continent of Africa is like saying that General George Patton is an Apache because he was born in North America.
now I know why I have never heard of or seen this genhis kahn movie, it must be hilarious. It might be worth it to watch just to laugh at the duke playing kahn. Back then, they would portray an obviously jewish guy from new york as a native american, just put some makeup on him, it will be fine
My grandma told me, "Attila the Hun, Caligula, Ivan the terrible, and Vlad the Impaler were all black women. All of them were Jada Pinkett Smith's self inserts."
@@wheatyes2104 i wrote that reply in zest. Anyways, extra history came to that conclusion after looking at her face in the coins..but the faces (of her and the husband) in those coins were butt ugly tbh. The faces were probably romanized to cater public, as they usually are..hence, the prominent nose and chin, along with other characteristics associated with it. The truth is, we don't actually know how she would look like as we don't have her skeleton to look at. Most paintings and statues are artist's imagination than the real deal.
@@peeyushverma2284 That's fair. I guess the same with Queen Elizabeth 1, since we don't know if she was romantized either. It's nice to talk to a rational person
Imagine allowing the ones who's been exiled from over 100 countries embed themselves in governments throughout the entire world to destroy Jesus Christ creation.
@@fairfortune67 key word European Russian you are literally calling her something she isnt most of russias population is in Europe and the rest was conquered during the 16th and 17th century
It's not exactly that bad of an argument since technically speaking, Russians are indeed "Asians" to an extent. And "Asian" is a very broad term since it means anyone from Asia. What you need to say is either "EAST ASIAN" or anyone from the 6 major chink eyed-eyed i.e. China, Taiwan, North & South Korea, Japan and Mongolia. And why settle for an "Asian actor". Why not cast Kim Jong Un as Anastasia? It's more inclusive and ticks the best boxes especially if Kim identifies as a lesbian attack helicopter. And anyone who's against it is a racist, misogynist and a bigot.
@@delinquentis9971 Yep, this a continuation of the same echo chamber that ride America quasi-monopoly on global cinema and popular arts to push their world views into others. This Cleopatra and Lizzie's one where made in the same echo chamber, just with different people abusing the same "reach" for similar core purposes.
Dont worry buddy, we respect your culture that has been inherited by your ancestors. Don't listen to an uncultured country, even they ancestor was from cross atlantic.
@@williamsmith9948 I'm from northern Cali. The south is an absolute fuckfest. You know the place is messed up when there's so much smog you can't even see the sky on a clear day.
Here is the thing and you may disagree because I'm also American but I don't agree with the sentiment that it's just your "own history that they obviously have nothing to do with." I personally think it's more complicated then that. America carries over the western tradition and spirit that tends to start historically with the Greeks our laws and culture are fundamentally rooted in Greco-Roman culture, ethics and morals just like the rest of the west. So without places like Athens and Rome and men like Cicero and Cincinnatus the United States would likely not have the form it has today since it was their history that led to our founders making many of the decisions they did. So I can't agree that its just YOUR history when its that very history that is responsible for my own. Now this is just my opinion but the problem is more that Black Americans have been manipulated by certain corrupt institutions into believing that they can't possible identify with non Black individuals. But they want to identify with this history because it is the history of the culture they are a part of, so they do things like this to make it easier for them.
A friend of mine was an editor of an Egyptology magazine. He was being escorted to a newly found tomb on the Giza plateau when they went past a a famous science/archeology magazine's documentary team. My friend heard the producer of the show shout at some of the staff. "We don't have to worry if its true or not, our viewers are idiots and they will never know." So it is nothing new.
I think the best depiction of Cleopatra was in the HBO “Rome” series. A smart, cunning, ruthless, desperate woman who played the cards dealt to her until it all caved in on her and Antony. Oh, and the actress looked Greek, which was a great attention to detail.
true, and cleopatra was part of greek royal family in egypt that originated in alexender the great army during conquest of the known world she was a descendent of prob one of the generals of alexander
5:50 I remember my grandmother saying to me “I don't care what they tell you at school, they did use automatic rifles during the rise of the Roman Empire." She was also convinced the neighbours dog was plotting against her. Lovely lady tho. When she wasn't drinking.
My grandpa once told me the persians were using tiger tanks but the romans were able to hold them oh yea forget he also told me thera are ONLY 30 romans but they are able to defend the maginot line using javelins and pushing the persian back to their homeland, the underground world (persians are actually lizars people living under our ground)
As a Black woman, I'm sick of Black and White movie makers using biracial and mixed-race actresses to play the role of Black actresses. For example, Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoey Zaldana, Paula Patton, and many others should not be used to play or represent Black women. There needs to be more Black actresses in movies with lead roles. Black women are fed up with seeing biracial and mixed-race women such as Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoe Zaldana, and Paula Patton portraying Black women. As far as I'm concerned, Netflix is promoting everybody except Black women, and everybody knows this. This is why I do not watch or support movies that use fake Black women to play real Black women. These are examples of real Black women: Viola Davis, Lupita Nyong'o, Alfre Woodard, Javicia Leslie, Keke Palmer, Kimberly Elise, Kiki Lane, Lovie Simone, Keshia Knight Pulliam, Tika Sumpter, Skai Jackson, Ryan Destiny, Regina King, Nia Long, Angela Bassett, Brandy, etc. Smh
@@rhondae8222 so, these women who are at least partially black aren’t black enough for you to permit them to admit their own heritage? That seems awfully colorist, if not actually racist, to me. Why not just let all those women, both light and dark skinned, play black characters?
It is not about "permit", it is about accuracy of representation. Obviously, we can not expect filmmakers to track the character's ancestry to n'th degree, and find a suitable actress - but at some point, it definitely feels "eh, close enough"
Honestly the main issue was the the were saying that it was a documentary. Like Hell no it’s not! A documentary is meant to share the facts not a fantasy created by a lady who cheated on her husband.
The one thing that tells you enough about this show is the rotten tomatoes score. We are used to low audience scores by now due to movies and shows simply not being good, or being inaccurate lorewise to a franchise. But the fact that VERY few critics actually watched this and those that does also dislike it tells you alot. Usually they love character changes as long as they are in a ...certain way. But even they knew this is to hot to handle, or: lying about how good this is would be even worse compared to other projects so they either didn't watch it or had enough intelligence to not praise it.
It looked impossible. But they managed to do it. The best "Grab my beer I have seen in a lot of time". Is like an underdog wining a major League like. Bournemouth, West Ham or Nottingham forest winning 23/24 Premier League.
Velma is horrible but it's kinda funny how hard it tries to be funny. Also the fact that the writers are forcing their political biases in every other line, makes it somewhat entertaining to watch. I definitely wouldn't watch it again though.
Fun fact, Cleopatra was incredibly well educated and the first in her family to actually speak Egyptian. Everyone in the Ptolemaic dynasty spoke Greek because they were all descendants of a Greek general who served under Alexander the Great.
Yes and it's a very sad thing that our (at least Western) mankind just looks like going down that slope to the end of what exactly : magical thought at every corner of life ?
“My uneducated grandmother who didn’t finish high school and was a maid to a White family which made her racist against White people said Cleopatra was black so it must be true!”
My Grandfather's best friend's friend said that "No matter what anyone say to you, Alexander the Great was a Sri Lankan". Someone make a documentary now.
As a Black woman, I'm sick of Black and White movie makers using biracial and mixed-race actresses to play the role of Black actresses. For example, Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoey Zaldana, Paula Patton, and many others should not be used to play or represent Black women. There needs to be more Black actresses in movies with lead roles. Black women are fed up with seeing biracial and mixed-race women such as Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoe Zaldana, and Paula Patton portraying Black women. As far as I'm concerned, Netflix is promoting everybody except Black women, and everybody knows this. This is why I do not watch or support movies that use fake Black women to play real Black women. These are examples of real Black women: Viola Davis, Lupita Nyong'o, Alfre Woodard, Javicia Leslie, Keke Palmer, Kimberly Elise, Kiki Lane, Lovie Simone, Keshia Knight Pulliam, Tika Sumpter, Skai Jackson, Ryan Destiny, Regina King, Nia Long, Angela Bassett, Brandy, etc. Smh
They really thought that "My grandma told me no matter waht they tell you in school..." line was good. Like it was a mic drop sentence. They were so proud of it.
@@bin_made_of_fur As I said elsewhere, you did not provide a complete quote, so I had to find the following. It's all justification for her childhood belief, with a strawman thrown in. Claiming that 'the historian said the opposite' of 'Cleopatra was black' is misleading at best, and a lie at worst. "But, ultimately, Haley says in the series, “We don’t know her exact racial heritage.” “She learned the Egyptian language. She practiced the Egyptian religion,” Haley says in the docudrama. “She wants to be remembered as an Egyptian.” “Ancient Egyptians would have had a variety of different complexions, as we find in other African cultures today,” adds Cleopatra scholar Sally-Ann Ashton, also featured in the series. “Given that Cleopatra represents herself as an Egyptian, it seems very strange that we insist on depicting her as a wholly European.”" www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2023/05/12/queen-cleopatra-looks-netflix-controversy/
@@bin_made_of_fur Erratum: the strawman is not Haley's, but Ashton's. Ashton's quote is, however, necessary to give essential context to Haley's usage of 'Egyptian'.
@@MagcargoMan I complained they ignored the thousands of greeks who fought and died alongside the Spartans. Well that and portraying Persia as monster the greeks were bigger dicks. That said 300 never sold itself as a documentary just historical fiction
I find it funny they wanted a show about a black ruler but chose a ruler that at the very most, would have been half black. A notion that is less likely than the possibility of her being completely Greek. A notion that also dismisses the possibility that her mother was neither Greek or of sub-Saharan heritage. Many different peoples were present in Egypt.
As a Black woman, I'm sick of Black and White movie makers using biracial and mixed-race actresses to play the role of Black actresses. For example, Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoey Zaldana, Paula Patton, and many others should not be used to play or represent Black women. There needs to be more Black actresses in movies with lead roles. Black women are fed up with seeing biracial and mixed-race women such as Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoe Zaldana, and Paula Patton portraying Black women. As far as I'm concerned, Netflix is promoting everybody except Black women, and everybody knows this. This is why I do not watch or support movies that use fake Black women to play real Black women. These are examples of real Black women: Viola Davis, Lupita Nyong'o, Alfre Woodard, Javicia Leslie, Keke Palmer, Kimberly Elise, Kiki Lane, Lovie Simone, Keshia Knight Pulliam, Tika Sumpter, Skai Jackson, Ryan Destiny, Regina King, Nia Long, Angela Bassett, Brandy, etc. Smh
@@rhondae8222 Trust me. As a white man, I am sick of seeing black men with white women all the time in every commercial. There's always gonna be a mutt-orch in every commercial. The washing of white history is ridiculous because sincerely blacks do not have that much of history recorded and that's their own failure.
I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just choose an actual black queen to examine and document rather than blatantly lie about a well known figure? They would be simultaneously bring previously unknown figures into the spotlight whilst respecting the actual history. It’s almost as if they saw an easy piece of advertising that they could use to push politics…
Director: "It's really important for our sense of culture to highlight these historical figures" Egypt: "Stop trying to rewrite our culture" Director: "Why you so upset lol"
Please learn History: The Egyptians today are not the Original Egyptians, they are Arabs decendent from the Caliphate conquests of North Africa. Secondly, yes Cleopatra was Mix raced, her farther was a white man ( Ptolemy XII Auletes ) a greek and her mother was Black, despite of the skin colour, she's off her fathers race. I've not watched the Movie but it's really troubling seeing comments of people who don't even understand basic history and base the entire knowledge on Hollywood Norms.
@@wgbhg If you're going to complain about revisionism, Don't spout blatant revisionism. Cleopatra's mother is uncertain. She could have been a relative or sister of her father Ptolemy XII. We don't know, nor is it even certain whether she was legitimate or not. Her father was a bastard himself, but who's to say where his mother came from? There is no definite evidence although many scholars have ventured guesses. What we do have to go off of makes it clear she would have been any of acedonian Greeks, Persians, Sogdians and even Pontic nobility, but her being "Mixed Black" is astronomically unlikely.
@@Lucifixcode Becasue they can't accept the truth, they are not the Eygytians, they all are arabs. They even have a arab league...... How can you claim to be both an arab and a Eygptian, makes no sense, you can't be two different races of people .
Cleopatra spoke and read over five languages. Romans assumed she was getting to their generals trough sex, because their own women weren't involved in politics and couldn't even read. But thinking that all these intelligent war leaders just threw their brains into trash after seeing a pretty woman? Does a disservice to those men. Far more likely they were swayed by her logical arguments, and with what her contry could bring to the table if she stayed in charge. Assuming Cleopatra got her way threw sex appeal, implies that that these logical, well educated war leaders and rulers somehow kept their position in their cutthroat politics, despite being completely led by their dick. That seems unlikely.
@@Sienisota Cleopatra was probably smart enough to know when to use sex and when to use logical arguments. Some Romans would have been drawn in by her beauty and some would be drawn in by her intellect. It was a win-win for Cleopatra, no matter which method she used.
My uncle's ex-wife's cousin's former roommate's gym coach once said to me, "I don't care what they tell you at school...Napoleon Bonaparte was Chinese."
I love how they get mad and say “why does it matter to you?” Well….it mattered enough to you to embarrass yourself by claiming something to be true that obviously isn’t and then defend it….?
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” 1984 George Orwell
I think there would have been only 10% the backlash if it was just a played-straight historical fiction drama, that started with a subtitle saying "What if?" Of course that would only have got 10% the notoriety too, so not good enough for a narcissist.
Bridgerton was never really portrayed as history. It was historical fantasy and quite open about it. It was wildly popular because it had the period trappings that many women love and combined it with modern day politics. It was a show that was targeted at liberal women and was successful because of it.
The backlash the Velma, Santa Inc. and Cleopatra are getting is reassuring because it tells me I'm not the only person who values good storytelling over political pandering.
As of right now, Velma has a 1.5/10 on IMDb and an audience score of 7% on Rotten Tomatoes. Cleopatra (2023) has a 1.1/10 on IMDb and an audience score of 2% on Rotten Tomatoes. Imagine being more hated than freaking _Velma!_ That is an achievement.
I'm actually amazed. Didn't think we'd get another addition of dumpster shyte from Hell so soon after but I was wrong!🤯 Wonder what else can get even worse than this this year...
I lived in Egypt for a bit, and am still in contact through Facebook with some people I met there. It's an understatement to say that they were not happy with this. In fact, it's the only time I heard or saw a Coptic Christian friend use the word f***.
sure, it kind off pissed us off a bit, but we didn't really give it much thought. we're going through an economic crisis, and we've got incoming elections that're likely going to end a 70 year long military dictatorship, plus this entire thing happened to coincide with the conflict in Sudan, so it didn't really get to keep the spotlight for long. there is also something I'd like to point out, Egyptians generally don't care about racism, I'd be lying if I said racism isn't quite prominent here, but generally speaking Egyptian society is more classist than racist.
Funny thing is that this isn't the first time someone attempted to make a Greek person into a black person. The difference being that it now managed to piss off two cultures, rather than one. I remember some years ago that someone published a book which claimed ancient Greece consisted of black people. Very funny, considering that the ancient Greeks named Ethiopia Ethiopia, which literally means "land of the *burnt* looking people" (pretty weird that supposedly black people would think other black people are burnt humans, no?). Even funnier when you remember that the other people that were saying, again and again, that we do not own our culture/are not the same people as ancient Greeks are the Nazis, a group that those activists are, supposedly, the exact opposite of. Goes to show that these kinds of people don't believe in equality (or really anything), they just want to be the ones to be on top.
You think documentaries are for children? That's pretty silly...the primary consumers of documentaries are adults. Most documentaries are for teaching anyone interested, not just children, or it'd be obvious...there's a strong tendency for educational material aimed at children to talk down to them, even when they're consciously trying not to.
I don't know if I'd say documentaries are specifically aimed for children. Some sure aren't material that should be viewed by them. Documentaries are meant to as closely and accurately as possible, document and present historical fact to the viewer. That's why there's usually experts in the field involved in them. This one doesn't do that. So in that sense it's neither for Children nor adults. It's meant for the fires if anything.
What concerns me isn't their hubris that causes them to lie to the viewing public; it's their emotional weakness and frailty that causes them to continue to lie to themselves.
they lied because they have low self-esteem. they are not even proud of who they really that the only way they could feel good is to steal someone else's culture and queen to make themselves feel good. "oh, look at us, my ancestor are the queen of egypt" "my ancestor ruled one of the oldest civilization on earth"
Rewriting history. Also the show is complete garbage. Netflix get real . This is racism. Cleopatra was Greek . The disrespect for Egyptian people and their history is mind blowing
If she was interested in black queen then she could have done a documentary about Yaa Asantewa and the Golden Stool (The warrior queen of Asante Kingdom, Ghana that led men who gave up to fight British invaders). Such an underrated strong black woman story. Jada didn't have to stoop so low to lying about Cleopatra.
I commented something similar if they really wanted to tell stories about black rulers that that were actually part of Egyptian history they could have researched into the Nubian and Kushite Pharaohs But that's hard work, why bother researching something into the actual demographic of history that you're interested in when you can just take something that has mainstream appeal slap a new coat of paint on its skin and resell it all the while screaming at anyone who doesn't like it as "bigot"
Jada the hunt, like most woke loser forsake their actual heritage, that they are ancestry of slave trade from africa, a place where every warlord enslaving their own people....nooo this wont serve their narrative of quilting the whites.
The sad thing about productions like Cleopatra is that the immediate reaction to seeing an announcement for a documentary like that now would be "oh, is Hollywood trying to rewrite history again?" When you've got shows like The Woman King and Cleopatra, you can't really blame people for having that kind of response, either.
4:21 Notice how Jada uses words like “me” and “my” several times in this statement. The entire point of documentary is to give *other* people a foothold to tell *their* story so that the rest can bear witness to them and walk a mile in *their* shoes. But Jada didn’t produce this to give other people a voice. She did it for herself so that she could metaphorically, and maybe even literally, flick herself off to it.
Her being cleo was likely some kind of internalized fantasy she has had for sometime now. A queen beloved by all and remembered for centuries. Doesn't matter how much history she has to rewrite to achieve it.
It’s like modern producers are caught in the cycle of their own character misbeliefs, think that pursuing their goals will make them and others happy, while failing to take the journey to discover the truth of said misbeliefs. That, and money.
Don't forget the part where the show's director cited her fortune-teller as a source, as well, telling her that this dream she had was totally true. Because the word of a fortune-teller - a famously reliable and not at all exploitative profession - certainly holds weight against the Director of Historical Antiquities of Egypt when you're talking about Egyptian history.
oh yes we can deff smell shite! Nothing worse tham an idiot with iniciative, my dad used to say. a Fortume Teller, the worlds most reliable comms system 🤣
I love how one of their pieces of evidence for cleopatra being black is literally “My grandma said so”
It’s just a step up from “trust me bro” 💀💀
💯 😂🤣😂🤣
I think *Drunk History* uses this as a premise too.
Maybe her grandma is 2103 years old and personally knew cleopatra who knows
There's an entire subculture of black Americans who not only think Cleopatra was black but that ancient Egypt was a "black African" civilization. All the depictions showing otherwise are fakes done by white supremacists for some nefarious purpose.
Egyptologist Sally-Ann Ashton who worked as a consultant for Netflix stated, “Cleopatra ruled in Egypt long before the Arab settlement in North Africa,” Ashton said in a statement. “If the maternal side of her family were indigenous women, they would’ve been African, and this should be reflected in contemporary representations of Cleopatra.”
Jada Pinkett Smith was about as loyal to the historical depiction of Cleopatra as she was to Will Smith.
Ha good one 😂
Lmaooo 🤣🤣🤣
She loves gettin in all sorts of “entanglements”
the comments r epic
I wonder how many more times I'll see this comment copied from the original, higher rated one. My guess is thousands lol, people can't help but copy top comments and farm them upvotes. And they always have the same reply somehow, "I didn't see the top rated comment!"....c'mon son lol
“We don’t often get to see or hear stories about Black Queens”, & we STILL HAVEN’T. Thanks, Jada
😆 My thought exactly, Michael
I'm sure there is someone else she can steal.
She could have chosen any of these.
Kendakes (Queen) Amanirenas
Kendakes (Queen) Amanishakheto
Kendakes (Queen) Amanitore
Kendakes (Queen) Shanakdakhete
Kendakes (Queen) Nawidemak
Kendakes (Queen) Amanikhatashan
Sarauniya (Queen) Bakwa Turunku
Sarauniya (Queen) Amina
Lingeer (Queen) Ndate Yalla Mbodj
Lingeer (Queen) Njembot Mbodj
Queen Njinga Ngola Kilombo
Queen Idia
Queen Gudit
Queen Yanu
Queen Mary
Queen Agnes
Queen Mathilda
Princess Ewurabena Pokou
Queen Ndate Yalla Mbodj
Queen Mwana Mikisi
Queen Mwana Mwema of Zanzibar
Nanak Asma'u bint Usman Fan Fodio
Princess Hangbe
Empress Eleni
And we never get to hear any such stories when these twats pull their own "history facts" out of their arse. If there's so much real material, then what's with the BS and lies?
@@admirekashiri9879 Wdym...Thats like having to actually work for our money. Better to just do this and call everyone a racist instead!
The funniest thing about this whole thing is is that by just race swapping Cleopatra they unintentionally just said that there were no actual black queens who were worth talking about
Exactly. Plus, if you need to rely on race swapping, you're also saying that you don't think your race can make good characters on their own and need to rely on (insert other race) to make good original characters from them. It's self-racist and hillarious.
They dont wanna talk about african queens, because in true history, african kings and queens would sell their own as slaves. In fact many cultures in the past used to do this, specially in tribal cultures.
They didnt wanna make a documentary against that because its not in their political agenda.
The actual funniest part is Netflix lost the lawsuit that Egypt hit them with and they have to remove this abomination and pay Egypt 2 billion dollars…..it’s fucking hilarious actually.😅
Cleopatra was able to accept her African and Greek heritage. To the Egyptians she was Isis, to the Romans she was Venus. You can be more than one thing
@@David-ox7ps What African heritage?
The sheer level of projection with their "why is her skin color so important to you" had me floored. If her skin color didn't matter, then why are they changing it?
Whose changing it?? Have you seen a photo of Cleopatra which by the way isn't her original name, have you seen her remains?? So how do you what she looks like??
@@taz09216 We know she wasn't black African from contemporary depictions. It's not just that they show her with light skin and hair that a black woman wouldn't have - the strongest evidence is her facial structure which is nothing like those of black Africans.
@@taz09216 You deserve an award for the level of intelligence demonstrated by that comment.
They accuse others of that they do themselves. With literally everything.
The irony is in this situation is the fact she was a European/Macedonian who was literally a colonizer of an African nation. This is how you know the woketards are just stupid. You can cover all the bases of wokism.
_“Why do some people need Cleopatra to be white?”_
Because she was. The question should be “Why do _you_ need Cleopatra to be black?”
She was not white lmao. She was mixed race
She wasn't exactly "white" like Hollywood America thinks of "black" and "white" but that's the issue.
Hollywood and the far left ideologues are so racist that they can ONLY see the world in black or white. They literally had a meltdown when an actual Hawaiian actress was cast to play a Hawaiian character in a movie, because her skin was "too light a shade". These people are the actual bigots they accuse everyone else of being. Of course anyone with even half a brain already knows this, but i think the normies are finally starting to wake up to the fact that the woke are the most close minded bigoted fucksticks out there... ironically.
@KnowvilleKnows she came from a weird aristocratic family that intermarried the hell out of each other and, if historical claims are accurate, may have been the first of her family to actually speak Ancient Egyptian along with Greek. She may not have been "white" depending on what you define Greeks as, but she sure as hell wasn't "mixed".
@@Azgalon In the context of Cleopatra she was 100% white. It underminds the entire history of tolemaic egypt. They were colonized by a European power(macedon), if you want to get preachy focus on that. I'd be cool with that woman playing an egyptian female Pharos if it was dated back 2,000 bc. She's blackish, but I sincerely doubt she'd stand out if it her hair was straight in ancient egypt.
@@dixonhill1108 I'm not disagreeing that she was white. I'm replying to the guy above saying she was "mixed" which she absolutely was not. She was Greek which is white in the context of this discussion (but some people differentiate Mediterranean white from Northern European white). The black revisionism of the Mediterranean, be it Ancient Egypt or Carthage, is a joke.
"Velma is so awful it managed to bring everyone together."
Jada Pinkett: Hold my new boyfriend.
Jada's sons friend: Hold my integrity, and hers.
I laughed way to hard at your comment 😂😂😂
I think you mean, "Burp her new boyfriend."
Jada even made governmnets come together with the internet community.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOVE IT! 👌
Hell, as a Greek I say we should have joined in with the lawsuit
You mean Greek Macedonians at the time weren’t black?!! I never knew 😱
In all seriousness. When I heard about a lawsuit I thought it was Greece at first lol
@@lobehold2263 in a hilariously bad attempt at being diverse they managed to offend an entire african country... that's kind of the opposite of what they were trying to do
@@siegebreaker4120 no kidding, they dropped the ball big time. Especially because the Ptolemys practiced inbreeding a lot. That or they married into other diadochi families. So there blood didn’t dilute much from their origin
Don't forget about (North) Macedonia, they have a skin in this game as well
@@PeterT-i1w Never ask a Greek man his opinion on if Monkeydonians have a stake in Greek history.
My wife started to watch this show the other night while I was cooking dinner. About five minutes in I heard a speaker say, “Despite what they told you in school, Cleopatra was Black!” and I just started laughing hysterically.
And thank you Drinker, after I finished laughing I said, “Oh yes, I definitely smell shite!”
It's even funnier when you discover that this claim was made by a random grandma
2 words: CANCEL NETFLIX
My gran gran had some good stories as well.
Dam why did your wife want to watch this trash.
@@strange-universe Don't forget the actual descriptions of Jesus as a caucasian or the actual descriptions of people like David and Joseph in the Bible as redheads.
Saying Cleopatra is black is like calling Jada Pinkett Smith a loving wife
Oh, Jada loves a bit too much
The amount of evidence that Cleopatra is black is the same as the amount of hair in Jada's head
She's getting more excited this time of year; soon August will come.
KEEP MY WIFES NAME OUT YOUR EFFING MOUTH!
Or that her husband can take a joke
Netflix: “Cleopatra was Black…”.
Egypt: “No she wasn’t…”.
Netflix: “Why do you care about race so much Egypt?”.
The statement Netflix, "Cleopatra was Black," and the response from Egypt, "No, she wasn't," indicate a difference in perspectives and ideologies regarding Cleopatra's racial background. Let's expand on this topic.
The assertion that "Cleopatra was Black" refers to the belief that Cleopatra, the famous queen of ancient Egypt, had African ancestry and should be considered a person of African descent. This viewpoint is often supported by proponents who argue that Cleopatra hailed from a region with a diverse population, including Greek, Egyptian, and African people, and that her family, the Ptolemies, had a history of intermarriage with Africans.
Advocates of this perspective may emphasize Cleopatra's interactions with African rulers and her connections to Egypt's southern regions, which had closer cultural and ethnic ties to Sub-Saharan Africa. They might also point to ancient artistic representations of Cleopatra that feature her with features associated with African heritage, such as a broad nose or dark complexion.
On the other hand, the response from Egypt, stating, "No, she wasn't," reflects an opposing viewpoint. This perspective holds that Cleopatra, as a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, was primarily of Greek descent and should be considered ethnically Greek or Caucasian. It argues that while Egypt had contact and trade with various regions, including Africa, Cleopatra herself did not have a significant African heritage.
Proponents of this viewpoint may focus on the historical context of the Ptolemaic dynasty, which originated from Macedonian Greece and ruled over Egypt for several centuries. They might also highlight Cleopatra's lineage, tracing her ancestry back to Ptolemy I Soter, a Greek general under Alexander the Great.
It's important to note that the debate surrounding Cleopatra's ethnicity and racial background is not a recent phenomenon. Historians and scholars have engaged in discussions on this topic for many years, considering various primary sources, archaeological evidence, and cultural contexts.
Ultimately, the question of Cleopatra's racial identity remains complex and multifaceted. The lack of definitive historical evidence regarding her physical appearance and the diverse influences within ancient Egypt make it challenging to reach a consensus. The contrasting ideologies surrounding Cleopatra's race reflect the ongoing discourse in historical and cultural studies, where interpretations and perspectives can differ based on individual perspectives, biases, and available evidence.
@@2012nightwatcher How long did it take you to type that nothingburger?
Netflix: "When you care about race so much in favor of black it's woke, but when you care about race so much in anything else including truth and historical facts: it's racist. 😂"
@@2012nightwatcherchatgpt?
@@2012nightwatcher dunning kruger detected
I remember my grandmother telling me " I don't care what they told you in school, George Washington was actually a black lesbian single woman named Georgina."
Assuming they knew the definition of woman
My grandmother told me I'd go blind if I kept doing that...
You probably meant to say "birthing person"
Amazon: I can ruin a classic trilogy (LOTR)
Disney: that's nothing, I can ruin a cinematic universe (MCU)
Netflix: hold my bud-light. I will ruin history.
You forgot to mention the abominable Star Wars movies that Disney put out.
@@cathoderay305 What Star Wars movies? There haven't been any since Revenge of the Sith
@@cathoderay305rouge one was the only great one, solo was okay but the sequels were no
@@Ihavethetouch I don't recall any movie called Revenge of the Sith... I do remember Return of the Jedi, which was originally called "Revenge" of the Jedi. There have been a few cool video games though, some even cover the clone wars!
You should write: Disney: Thats nothing I cant make Star Wars irrelevant
Imagine offending an entire nation and their culture and having the nerve to get pissed off about it...
attempting to erase a cultural identity and then calling others racist for finding fault with it is a hell of a venture
Tbf the people living in modern Egypt don't have anything to do with that culture.
Would be the same as saying that latin Americans are the heirs of Aztec culture
How isn't cultural misrepresentation?
@@Ind3xPlus so you basically said that people today have nothing to do with slavery, yet black people want compensation from current year white people. Fucking dope XD
Actually, the director claimed she was fine with that. The audacity. Lol
I'm Egyptian and I am so glad the entire internet gave those clowns the reality check they desperately needed.
EDIT: Just wanna add something for the clowns who claim us modern Egyptians are occupiers that have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians.
Modern Egyptians are only 17% Arab according to their DNA, with the rest of modern Egyptians' genetic makeup being 68% North African, 4% Jewish, 3% East African, 3% from Asia Minor and another 3% South European. Based on DNA sequencing of Ancient Egyptian mummies.
Source: National Geographic Genographic Project
Another thing to know is we do have a black minority called the Nubians residing in southern Egypt. Egyptians have a huge variety of skin colors. We're not exclusively white or black.
They managed to unite the Egyptians into defending the friggin' Ptolemies. The Ptolemies! The quintessential foreign dynasty occupying and exploiting one of the most important Empires of our civilization down the decadence drain until it became a mere Roman Imperial Province. That's some incredible accomplishment from Netflix.
@@nm7358 they're not defending the potlemies tho it's more of defending their ancient history as a whole
@@nm7358 Unlike the Arab Muslims occupying Egypt to this day?
I would be ok if they claim mao, polpot, hitlers as black tho 😂😂 they can change that hisotry
The reality check went over their head trust me
They made a show more hated than Velma that also managed to piss off an entire country and unite large sections of the internet against them.
I don't know what to say.
Two countries. Both Egyptians and Greeks are mad lol
What to say? "Velma was obviously made by amateurs!"
Idk, it takes true masters to unite so many together. Like its impressive, for all the wrong reasons but impressive nonetheless
Well... they are actually accomplishing something? hooray :)
LOL
These ‘creators’ are so indoctrinated by their whole worldview that they, I think, really believe that any insistence on historical fact is ‘systemic racism’. These people are racist. They only see race. Not substance. Not truth. Not historical accuracy. Just racism. Everything is racism. And it all points to their own intrinsic value as higher and better than all others because of their supposed victimized status. Nevermind they’re adulterating elites who live in a bubble of class and wealth. Everyone has to affirm their ‘blackness’. It’s all so off-putting and would be laughable if it wasn’t straight up dystopian. Anyway. That’s all I’ve got for today.
I remember my grandmother saying to me “I don’t care what they tell you in school, pee comes from the balls.”
My Grandma told me "I don't care what they tell you at school, but they did definitely land on the moon".
That made me laugh so much, hahaha. 😂
@@philholdsworth8280 if your school denies the moon landing I wouldn't trust anything they teach too
@@philholdsworth8280 still hard to believe people still believe that 👀.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gotta love Grandma.💪👍🥃
I hate the double standard. One group can culturally appropriate everyone else and then gatekeep their own. 😬
It's Ironic how Hollywood is airbrushing historical figures to make them black while until recently they had been white washing almost everything Asian character in films and tv shows White. Avatar the Last Airbender where all the main characters were Asian but cast as white people. Ghost in a Shell where Major Motoko Kusanagi is a Japanese police Major recast by white actress, Scarlett Johansson.
It’s called the great replacement.
Sie werden uns nicht ersetzen. Blut und boden
Apparently, calling out historical inaccuracies is racist now? When everything is “racist”, nothing is. Sadly, all the power behind the word is quickly losing its meaning due to so much crying wolf.
@@JustDatBoi by labeling all white men racist, they’ve inadvertently created more of them, like me. Technically,
I’m “prejudice,” but because they would call that raysism’ I claim the label without care.
"I remember my grandmother telling me 'I don't care what they tell you in school - *THE MOON IS MADE OF CHEESE* '" This is about the level these clowns operate on.
Hoo boy. If we’re gonna open that whole “my grandma/grandpa told me _________________” can of worms, as a basis for ultimate truth, it could get interesting.
Cheese or not, the moon is flat...
It is the same old argument, is it the small medulla oblongotta or too many teeth not enough toothbrush?
And sadly this is the same logic lots of people apply towards science. Who cares that there's overwhelming scientific evidence and experience about the importance of vaccines, the shape of the planet or the origin of mankind, if it doesn't meet their mental image of reality it's automatically thrown out the window
Maybe it was Cleopatra Jones?
"I don't care what they tell you in school".
Kind of sums up the whole problem right there.
Best comment 🤣
The same libwits will say "follow the science"
Yeah, my gran drank, too
Nailed it.
Who don't have schools anymore, we have indoctrination.
This is a win for logic and education. Imagine that we're living in a world where Jada Smith, who barely knows the location of the US, let alone Egypt, is trying to question the arguments of the Egyptian experts, including the Egyptian guy who literally led the search for the tomb of Cleopatra. And the fact that the whole cast of this "documentary" didn't include a single Egyptian historian is unbleavble. That's like a Chinese movie company making a documentary about George Washington and all the experts in the documentary being Chinese.
Jada had just enough savvy to realize that hiring real Egyptians would have killed her show before it began.
That would also be like India trying to portray Mikiel Gorbachav as an Indian guy
"George Washington was actually a communist"
and all these "experts" are marxist professors, so your analogy would be correct.
She's an actress trying to act like a big brain. Kind of like most activists come to think of it.
She should stick to mediocre acting and cucking her husband.
I love the fact that compared to this "documentary" the Asterix and Obelix Mission Cleopatra is more accurate, even to the point where Cleopatra says "I will defend my people" and Caesar reply with "What do you mean your people? You are Greek, arent you?" :D :D :D
Asterix and obelix's representation of gladiators is better than 90% of all other media.
It gets better. The actress who played Cleopatra said that Egyptians are racist and don't know their own history if they don't believe ancient Egyptians were black. I've also seen defenders of the show say the same thing and I'll bet you anything those people aren't Egyptian.
Can you imagine being an Egyptian and having someone from another race claim they know your own history better than you do?
Egotistical doesn't even BEGIN to describe it!
Just wait till they claim ancient mesopotamia was black lmao
Actresses should not go off script. They're undereducated and overpaid.
Imagine telling "you don't know your history" to one of the countries that SHAPED history
I might as well start telling Japanese people i know their history better than they do.
Oh yeah Nobunaga was actually black, my mom said so!
@@norwegianboyee fun fact, you can *actually* make a historically accurate story of a black samurai. His name was Yasuke
We live in an era where the biggest media corporations keep breaking records of the most awful stuff produceable
And it is weird. They seem to be actively trying to ruin themselves. "Hey let's make an entertaining, historically accurate TV show" "nah"
Well said!
It sounds like the razzie awards and razzie oscars needs their own show, that’ll be amazing
That's cause Netflix has money .
@@bewmdogg It isn't about the money, it is about indoctrination. They will always be funded by the people whose agenda they push.
My grandmother always used to tell me, "No matter what Netflix shows you.... not all African queens are black".
It was a weird thing to say considering Netflix didn't even exist back then, but hey. I can rewrite history too
Reimagine*
Maybe she was during the time of blockbuster
This black Cleopatra is pure racism in the name of anti-racism. American's stereotypical depiction of other people's race and culture has to stop.
Cleopatra is black because that woman's grandmother was an idiot. That is the actual goddamn reasoning behind the racebait.
My grandmother always used to tell me that no matter what they teach me in school, owning slaves is a good thing.
I am an Italian engineer and I am quite offended by the fact that they portraied ancient romans as barbarians. Wtf. They wrote half of my university books
and their architecture wasn't matched for centuries afterwards.
Forgive me but I must paraphrase one of my favorite movies, the life of Brian.
“What did the Romans ever give us “
“ aqueducts, law, sanitation, libraries”.
“Well, other than that, what did they give us?
@@bollard918 China:hold my rice wine...
"Why do some people need Cleopatra to be white?"
So close. SO CLOSE to self-awareness. Just ask yourself that question, but ask why YOU, Jada, need her to be black when she wasn't?
There's a definitive reason ironically, she was literally a european ruling an african nation. They just white washed Greco Roman history, we probably should be thanking them. It's so ironic that a great example of europeans literally enslaving africans get's turned on its head.
The part that gets me, tbh, is how the showrunner lady says something to the effect of "We don't know that she was black for sure, but we for sure know she wasn't white like Elizabeth Taylor"
It's just... the logic literally doesn't work. The only way to know for sure she wasn't white is if you for sure know what she is. If you don't for sure know she was black, how can you for sure know that she wasn't white? Like... you get what I mean, right?
That's an excellent question. Nefertiti is the one associated with the Black power movement and Black Feminism. Cleopatra was seen as too white.
@@deleteman900 We don' t know what Cleopatra looks like thanks to Cleopatra. She would change her appearance based on her circumstance. She actually dressed like a Roman Matron when she was in Rome. She looks more "Greek" in Sculptures and coins because she probably ordered the artist to do so.
The weird undertones of the whole black civilization thing sounds eerily similar to the Ayran myths of the Nazis. Afrocentrism have created this mythology where all the ancient was black including Greece stretching all the way to Japan as though there were some kind of homogeneous connection to it all and something to be proud of while indignant it was stolen and hidden from them - again similar to the Ayran myths. Funny thing is this black identity means little in Africa North or sub-saharan. It's primarily an American thing
The fact that we got Cleopatra, Velma, and She-Hulk all within less than a year is absolutely incredible
And Black Ariel?
@@Yoonpsoo Changing her appearance is not even nearly the worst thing that movie has done.
@@sofija642 for me it was the worst thing and im black. Black Ariel is NOT ariel to me.
Cleopatra was also speculated to be one of George RR Martin's inspirations behind Daenerys Targaryen.
@@Yoonpsoo black Ariel not that bad, but what they did with the rest of the characters? Jail time
I'm a white Australian and seeing Cleopatra has inspired me to make a documentary on Malcom X starring Chris Pratt
All I remember from that Malcolm X movie is Denzel washington getting shot about 10000 in his death scene. As a kid I was shocked by how many bullets he took like it was a bb gun.
Nah, need a documentary about Adolf Hitler starring Samuel L Jackson
@@nont18411 🤣🤣🤣, god damn it, its way too funny imagining Jackson with the hitler stash and speaking in german
Malcolm x directed by and starring Mel Gibson
@@rudesword2852 once again, brilliant casting!
as an asian I honestly don't understand America's need to feel represented and inability to relate to a character if they're a different race
Ask the Egyptians. 😂😂😂 . As a south east Asian, it pokes my eyes to see Asians acting as the white British general and his white wife by putting on makeup in history movies. Eye sore.
@@kapawtaw hah. also like, will the world be offended if a highschool full of asians decide to put on a play of hamilton and nobody's black or white? what if a school in africa decide to put on a play of Mulan? They're actors. People need to get a grip.
It's not America; it's the race-baiting shock jocks in media who think offensive lies will garner enough attention to turn a profit, regardless of the division their mindset sews.
The damage done to Western societies by the phrases "You can be anything you want to be" and "my own truth" is immeasurable.
Agreed. "My truth" is usually just "my opinion" or maybe "my experiences." It certainly isn't "the truth."
Don't you people constantly rewrite and lie in history? Rhetorical question by the way I understand that needs to be specified.
The most evil thing these people are doing is trying to rewrite reality through the news and pop culture. They want everything to bend to their ideas and it's the biggest assault on truth possible. I refuse to give a cent to any of those woke corporations I hope they all crash and burn.
@@Kai...999, people who try to shape history to fit their ideology often lie, whether they realize it or not. The primary agenda in pursuing history should be to discover truth, not shape it. Ideology blinds.
@@Kai...999no, I've never re written history. Never even wrote about anything historic.
FINALLY, an actual, REAL example of *cultural appropriation* that I have heard so much about! And it gets the appropriate amount of hate!
I do wonder just how close this one has brought Netflix to actually being dragged into a court somewhere in the world on hate crime charges
It's weird because there are Nubian and Kushite Pharos of Egypt that they could have told the story about in actual Egyptian history
But NOOOOOOOOOO they won't even tell their own story of Africa and it's people they need to tell the story of already existing and established stories with now a darker complexion because "muh feelings"
Good point. A very fitting example. Now if it had done well, without blatant criticism, then it would also have been a fine example of hypocrisy.
As a balcanic guy I can agree with making Cleopatra back because pf how racist we are twards greeks being black.
The radical left is used to getting away with it, but a lot of people are getting tired of their never ending lies.
I love how the producers didn’t even realize Cleopatra wasn’t black, she was a Ptolemy, who were greek, she wasn’t an African she was a Greek. They would have known this if they had bothered to do 15 minutes of research
but Gramma said...
I don't think they were really that interested in historical accuracy. This movie is essentially 'We Wuz Kangs The Movie 2: We Wuz Kwangs'
Grandma said don't believe what they say ,she was black
B-but we wuz quangs n shit..
hello? THEY KNOW. Everybody with half a brain knows Cleopatra was white (Greek). They purposely ignored it because they are trying to change history, wanting to make it less white.
"No matter what they tell you in school" is a dangerous, slippery slope.
No matter what biology tells you, a man can get pregnant and identify as 'them' ... just imagine it and it's true
I’m surprised that she didn’t make Cleopatra have an open marriage just like she did
And bald
An "entanglement"
The Drinker lies!
Clearly there was a black Queen Cleopatra!
Cleopatra Jones ruler of Harlem!
@@scottslotterbeck3796that would get Jada mad
@@zdvxr And maybe make Will slap someone😂😊
Cleopatra was Irish! Her name was actually Clea O’Patra. Why not? My grandma told me!
Genius
This is too good!! 🤣🤣🤣
Nope. She was Russian. And her name was Cleya Patrovna.
No, she was French. Her real name was Clé au Pâtre. My grandma told me so.
Nah, she was actually a guy named Claus O'Peter. It was revealed to me in a dream
Jada Pinket Smith, fighting racism with more racism. Fantastic.
how's it racist if shes half white half black? Do we ignore the half white side just because she has colour to her skin? Her mum must be disgusted by all the undercover racists
Exactly what most of them do, people getting tired of the black washing
@@Hesienberg2020 Can you explain how someone half white and half black is black?
@@KK-bc8gt are you referring to Adele James? Because pretty much black bro and everyone refers her as black so wym?
@@KK-bc8gt like are you saying she’s white?😂
Netflix is going to lose big time on this lawsuit. If they try to fight it, they'll spend millions on lawyers and the court will still rule on behalf of the Egyptian litigants. If they try to settle, that move will be construed as an admission of guilt. I hope Jada was named as a defendant in the lawsuit. She's the one who truly needs to be held accountable.
“I have asked Egyptians to see themselves as Africans” is a really funny way of saying “I’m trying to tell people how they should view themselves so it aligns with my worldview”
The most insane angle here is the idea that a western filmmaker of Iranian heritage believes that casting a mixed-race British woman in the role of a Greek-Egyptian queen is a pathway to teaching modern Egyptian people about their own identity, and that she is somehow responsible for teaching this lesson while ignoring the protests of actual Egyptian scholars. The absolute narcissism and entitlement in that statement is shocking.
And she clearly thinks all Africans are black! She wants them to see them selves as black, but she says African because she thinks they are the same thing.
Modern Egyptians are Arab oriented😂lmao
Fun Fact: South Africans, many of whom are white, are African. Elon Musk is African. Oh, it's true.
So people from Greece are also Africans now I guess. Jezus that woman is clueless.
Not So Fun Fact:
One of the directors behind the Cleopatra documentary, claimed that she was psychic and that Cleopatra’s dead spirit had visited her in a dream.
What makes this funnier is that Shelley Haley, the old lady who cited her grandmother, made that claim.
uuuh, that sounds like... a dark dream
To hunt her house until they retract this shit, i supose
You know, this reminds me of a tidbit about the production of the 1981-Movie "Inchon" I came across on wikipedia:
_" In 1978, psychic Jeanne Dixon was consulted to communicate with the spirit of General MacArthur, and Dixon said that MacArthur's spirit endorsed the production of the film."_
You might know this, but "Inchon" was a notorious disaster at the box office.
@@kuribayashi84 “Inchon” sounds like a completely retarded movie.
I am an archaeologist and I can say that the fictional movie from half a century ago with Elizabeth Taylor was much, and I mean MUCH more historically accurate than this "documentary". I dont mean just the casting.
Cleopatra VII, Marcus Antonius, Julius Caesar were portrayed in the 1963 movie closely to how historical sources described their characters.
The costumes were sometimes very decadent (especially Taylors), yet still clearly inspired by Egyptian, Roman and Greek fashion and some were actual copies (we can see Roman toga praetexta, toga virilis, Greek Macedonian cuirass etc).
The settings were impressively well done (part of the movie was set in original locations in Egypt and Rome). And there was attention to details, you can see the ancient customs like libation, sacrifice, discussion of battle strategies or even Caesars illness depicted very well.
We can not be certain how ancient Greek, Roman or Egyptian music sounded, but it certainly was more appropriately depicted in the old movie than in this documentary, where we see Cleopatra swing her swords to sound of African tribal drums... come on now.
So it is kind of ironic that they are dissing this half century old movie for historical inaccuracy when it was actually created with a lot more respect and dare I say knowledge about this fascinating historical figure and time period.
I love it when these activists try to color history with their modern biases (no pun intended). The modern understanding of "white" did not exist back then in the way we understand it today, especially in the Mediterranean, which was essentially one big melting pot. Cleopatra was probably swarthy, like many women in the Mediterranean, but she was DEFINITELY not a "melanated sister."
@@darthdaddy3071 Correct. Back then, all of the "Whites" were very much killing each other off for being Etruscan, Greek, Thracian or whatever else. All "White" by today's definition but obviously they didn't give a damn.
Blacks don't have any history to be proud of. If they did. They wouldn't have too culturally appropriate other people's history.
Honestly you try hard to portray yourself as this intelligent man. But your just a guy on the couch drunk most of the time typing on youtube.
@@darthdaddy3071 so who are the giant statues of black people . we know that cleopatra was after Egypt was abandon so she probally wasent but those Pharoahs that look like NBA players..who are they
Let’s be honest all the “research “ they did was say “cleopatra was in Egypt , Egypt is in Africa , ergo cleopatra was black “
I can’t wait for these new historical documentaries!:
- Hitler starring Idris Elba
- Martin Luther King Jr. starring Ryan Gosling
- Melissa McCarthy as Ghandi
- Jackie Chan as Rosa Parks
- Taylor Swift as Harriet Tubman
- Shaq as Queen Elizabeth
- Lizzo as Frida Kahlo
- Rupaul Charles as Joseph Stalin
Okay, I need to ask: how come every time someone makes this, Ryan Gosling is ALWAYS fancasted as MLK? Is there something I am missing? Like, Gosling saying that he would have loved to play him, or perhaps there's a role where he's pretty much MLK or something
@@NIDELLANEUM, the internet made a meme of a promo poster for an MLK doc with Ryan Gosling as MLK. It's been around for ages.
@@MaddDogg316 oh okay, I kinda missed out on that. Felt weird, like "why is ALWAYS him the one chosen as a white MLK?"
@@NIDELLANEUM , lol. NP 🤘.
i would honestly pay to see rosa park portrayed by jakie chan and kicking ass right and left during the civil right movement era
That moment when you realize that Yu-Gi-Oh was more respectful to Egypt than this “documentary”
Cleopatra plays red eyed black american deck.
Oh, no I’ve played the Blue Eyes White Privilege Dragon. ;D
Lol nice one
HAHAHA awesome comment!
Haha this wins the internet
As an Egyptian I feel disgusted knowing that these people are rewriting my history to suit their own needs and political 'correctness'. Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek and to say otherwise considering the continuous historical evidence is simply blind and ignorant. They are hiding under the guise of inclusivity to insult and demean my culture, and I'm not standing for it. It hurts to see their 'cleopatra' being the first image to pop up on the Google search of her name.
On the bright side, all i knew about cleopatra was that she was supposedly incredibly beautiful... now i know she wasn't a great leader and a lot about her ancestry and life.
I can feel your pain mate! The west has to (not everyone) force their ideals somewhere else! We even look up to the ancient Egypt as a great civilization despite our own civilization which has craziest hydrological advancements (South Asia). But it seems they can't respond to their social issues with proper solutions. Instead, they distort the culture & history of nations & people which had done nothing wrong to them.
@@hasithagayalambattaya8929 the west is a very strange term to use when referring to hollywood.
@@turbo8628 My bad! I was referring to say Hollywood. But still, Sometimes the "west" term is also valid. At least for the US context that is.
@@hasithagayalambattaya8929 it's ok. I kind of assume that everyone means america anyway.
I am from england... we are hated for plenty of reasons, but hollywood isn't one of them at least 😅
My grandmother, a lovely women of 5’3” with an amazing voice and clear blue eyes told me that she was closely related to Prince Phillip. She wasn’t, she was just a bit confused. Bless her 🥰
I now demand a movie about Shaka Zulu to be made and I want him 'reimagined' as a ginger irishman.
My grandma told me, "No matter what they teach you at school, Shaka Zulu was a pasty ginger."
🤣
Race swapping only goes from light to dark, so don't get your hopes up.
😂😂😂
Hmm, that would explain his expansionist tendencies...
"I'd like now to nominate Domhnall Gleeson for the role of Shaka Zulu."
Or something along those lines, innit?
I still can't believe Netflix is actively trying to tell Egypt their wrong, I feel they would know their own historical figures better than an American Based Streaming Service
The funniest thing is modern Egyptians are Arabs, so they don't even have any stake in the Greek dynasties or even the original ancient Egyptians. The modern Egyptians complaining is purely from historical inaccuracy, not even a you vs me thing.
Careful now, Jada don't like backtalk.
@@Grasslander
Actually, as I understand it, Egyptians are not Arabs, they are ethnic Egyptians, even though they do speak Arabic.
@@NFS0038 you do realize we have mummies and modern egyptians so we can do DNA tests right?
I cant believe theynotmake movie about black Moses or Noah
Saying Cleopatra is black because she was born on the Continent of Africa is like saying that General George Patton is an Apache because he was born in North America.
Its like saying Spanish people and Russians are the same because they are European
Yeah, I mean, did they get their education from Mean Girls or smt?
The Afrikaners are white but they were born in South Africa ha ha ha
or telling elon musk he is black because he is from south african , even if he was real and show billion of us that he is white
I interpreted "Apache" as the Apache Helicopter, and it made this comment even funnier 😂
My grandmother told me “I don’t care what they tell you in school… Winston Churchill was a transgender Sudanese man”
@@RylieBread No historical figure dead or alive can escape the wrath of Jada Pinkett Smith!
Don't you mean Sugondese?
Remember family guy Meg and Chris replaced by sudanese.
Sabilulungan was his favorite song
I remember my granddad telling me, "I don't care what they tell you in school, Genghis Khan was John Wayne."
The Caucasus mountains are in Asia. So in fact Genghis Kahn was white.
now I know why I have never heard of or seen this genhis kahn movie, it must be hilarious. It might be worth it to watch just to laugh at the duke playing kahn. Back then, they would portray an obviously jewish guy from new york as a native american, just put some makeup on him, it will be fine
@@italianknight78 Genghis came from Mongolia, idiot. He wasn't a Hun like Atilla.
Happy thanksgiving pilgrims
My grandma told me, "Attila the Hun, Caligula, Ivan the terrible, and Vlad the Impaler were all black women. All of them were Jada Pinkett Smith's self inserts."
As a Greek-Egyptian man, I went my entire life not knowing I was black. I thank the Queen Cleopatra show for revealing to me my true black heritage ❤
Jada really handing out N cards here
You are not black! You are African American!
Well, go and loot yourself some Nikes and a big screen TV. It's your culture.
@@FlaviusConstantinus306 is coptic even a culture ? i was sure it was a religion :D
Do you feel oppressed now?
I showed this to my sister and she was like, "wasn't Cleopatra beautiful?"
@@wheatyes2104 did you hear it from your grandma as well?
@@peeyushverma2284 nah, I think it was from "extra history" but I could be wrong. I'll delete the comment if I am wrong
@@wheatyes2104 i wrote that reply in zest. Anyways, extra history came to that conclusion after looking at her face in the coins..but the faces (of her and the husband) in those coins were butt ugly tbh. The faces were probably romanized to cater public, as they usually are..hence, the prominent nose and chin, along with other characteristics associated with it. The truth is, we don't actually know how she would look like as we don't have her skeleton to look at. Most paintings and statues are artist's imagination than the real deal.
@@peeyushverma2284 That's fair. I guess the same with Queen Elizabeth 1, since we don't know if she was romantized either. It's nice to talk to a rational person
Damn, your sister is a savage.
I feel personally attacked that cleopatra wasn't properly portrayed as an Vietnamese woman as she clearly was
Outrage, she was 1/4 Thai.
Nope. She's a historical person people have heard about so she *must* have been a white man.
All hail trans Cleopatra 🤢
Its true. My grandma said so.
Cope she was a latina, read more history books you bigotred nerds 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Imagine casting an Asian actor for princess Anastasia because Russia is mostly located in Asia.
My wife is European Russian and I tell her she's Asian because of that very fact. For some reason she gets offended by that😆
Imagine allowing the ones who's been exiled from over 100 countries embed themselves in governments throughout the entire world to destroy Jesus Christ creation.
We are the Scythians! We are the slit-eyed Asians! -
Although Blok was also wrong. 😊
@@fairfortune67 key word European Russian you are literally calling her something she isnt most of russias population is in Europe and the rest was conquered during the 16th and 17th century
It's not exactly that bad of an argument since technically speaking, Russians are indeed "Asians" to an extent.
And "Asian" is a very broad term since it means anyone from Asia.
What you need to say is either "EAST ASIAN" or anyone from the 6 major chink eyed-eyed i.e. China, Taiwan, North & South Korea, Japan and Mongolia.
And why settle for an "Asian actor".
Why not cast Kim Jong Un as Anastasia?
It's more inclusive and ticks the best boxes especially if Kim identifies as a lesbian attack helicopter.
And anyone who's against it is a racist, misogynist and a bigot.
the idea about Africans Americans telling me about my own history that they obviously have nothing to do with never ceases to amaze me
That's just what americans do in general. They tell the whole world what is right and what is wrong.
@@delinquentis9971 Yep, this a continuation of the same echo chamber that ride America quasi-monopoly on global cinema and popular arts to push their world views into others. This Cleopatra and Lizzie's one where made in the same echo chamber, just with different people abusing the same "reach" for similar core purposes.
Dont worry buddy, we respect your culture that has been inherited by your ancestors.
Don't listen to an uncultured country, even they ancestor was from cross atlantic.
@@williamsmith9948 I'm from northern Cali. The south is an absolute fuckfest. You know the place is messed up when there's so much smog you can't even see the sky on a clear day.
Here is the thing and you may disagree because I'm also American but I don't agree with the sentiment that it's just your "own history that they obviously have nothing to do with." I personally think it's more complicated then that.
America carries over the western tradition and spirit that tends to start historically with the Greeks our laws and culture are fundamentally rooted in Greco-Roman culture, ethics and morals just like the rest of the west. So without places like Athens and Rome and men like Cicero and Cincinnatus the United States would likely not have the form it has today since it was their history that led to our founders making many of the decisions they did.
So I can't agree that its just YOUR history when its that very history that is responsible for my own.
Now this is just my opinion but the problem is more that Black Americans have been manipulated by certain corrupt institutions into believing that they can't possible identify with non Black individuals. But they want to identify with this history because it is the history of the culture they are a part of, so they do things like this to make it easier for them.
A friend of mine was an editor of an Egyptology magazine. He was being escorted to a newly found tomb on the Giza plateau when they went past a a famous science/archeology magazine's documentary team. My friend heard the producer of the show shout at some of the staff. "We don't have to worry if its true or not, our viewers are idiots and they will never know." So it is nothing new.
I think the best depiction of Cleopatra was in the HBO “Rome” series. A smart, cunning, ruthless, desperate woman who played the cards dealt to her until it all caved in on her and Antony. Oh, and the actress looked Greek, which was a great attention to detail.
Very underrrated show. And yes, amazing Cleopatra there.
true, and cleopatra was part of greek royal family in egypt that originated in alexender the great army during conquest of the known world
she was a descendent of prob one of the generals of alexander
Not a movie/TV show, but her portrayal in Assassins Creed Origins was also pretty cool
That was a brilliant series. Cleopatra was great although I think she was much prettier than real life Cleopatra.
Agreed. She was excellent.
5:50 I remember my grandmother saying to me “I don't care what they tell you at school, they did use automatic rifles during the rise of the Roman Empire."
She was also convinced the neighbours dog was plotting against her.
Lovely lady tho. When she wasn't drinking.
Built from tried and true Ancient Texts and technical documents, armalite designed their series of weapons to be built just like the Romans intended
My grandpa once told me the persians were using tiger tanks but the romans were able to hold them oh yea forget he also told me thera are ONLY 30 romans but they are able to defend the maginot line using javelins and pushing the persian back to their homeland, the underground world (persians are actually lizars people living under our ground)
My grandpa told me that Mansa Musa, the (probably) richest man of all time was not black, but descendant of arabic merchants.
Lovely lady tho. When she wasn't drinking. Which was often.
Hey, if you've seen the new Indiana Jones movie then it's entirely plausible that Romans used WW2 era German weaponry.
It is impressive they managed to make a show more hated than Velma
And in the same year no less.
As a Black woman, I'm sick of Black and White movie makers using biracial and mixed-race actresses to play the role of Black actresses. For example, Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoey Zaldana, Paula Patton, and many others should not be used to play or represent Black women. There needs to be more Black actresses in movies with lead roles. Black women are fed up with seeing biracial and mixed-race women such as Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoe Zaldana, and Paula Patton portraying Black women. As far as I'm concerned, Netflix is promoting everybody except Black women, and everybody knows this. This is why I do not watch or support movies that use fake Black women to play real Black women. These are examples of real Black women: Viola Davis, Lupita Nyong'o, Alfre Woodard, Javicia Leslie, Keke Palmer, Kimberly Elise, Kiki Lane, Lovie Simone, Keshia Knight Pulliam, Tika Sumpter, Skai Jackson, Ryan Destiny, Regina King, Nia Long, Angela Bassett, Brandy, etc. Smh
@@rhondae8222 so, these women who are at least partially black aren’t black enough for you to permit them to admit their own heritage? That seems awfully colorist, if not actually racist, to me. Why not just let all those women, both light and dark skinned, play black characters?
And they are all beautiful and talented. I totally agree with you.
It is not about "permit", it is about accuracy of representation. Obviously, we can not expect filmmakers to track the character's ancestry to n'th degree, and find a suitable actress - but at some point, it definitely feels "eh, close enough"
Honestly the main issue was the the were saying that it was a documentary. Like Hell no it’s not! A documentary is meant to share the facts not a fantasy created by a lady who cheated on her husband.
To produce a show after Velma that is worse than Velma is an accomplishment of epic proportions.
The one thing that tells you enough about this show is the rotten tomatoes score. We are used to low audience scores by now due to movies and shows simply not being good, or being inaccurate lorewise to a franchise.
But the fact that VERY few critics actually watched this and those that does also dislike it tells you alot. Usually they love character changes as long as they are in a ...certain way. But even they knew this is to hot to handle, or: lying about how good this is would be even worse compared to other projects so they either didn't watch it or had enough intelligence to not praise it.
Velma is from HBO, this is from Netflix
@@valentin7693 Correct. I was speaking to the general ambition.
It looked impossible. But they managed to do it. The best "Grab my beer I have seen in a lot of time".
Is like an underdog wining a major League like. Bournemouth, West Ham or Nottingham forest winning 23/24 Premier League.
Velma is horrible but it's kinda funny how hard it tries to be funny. Also the fact that the writers are forcing their political biases in every other line, makes it somewhat entertaining to watch. I definitely wouldn't watch it again though.
Fun fact, Cleopatra was incredibly well educated and the first in her family to actually speak Egyptian. Everyone in the Ptolemaic dynasty spoke Greek because they were all descendants of a Greek general who served under Alexander the Great.
YES, they were Greek. So, not black. How nobody from Netflix doesn't know history or at least to research a bit?
@@aminamemic2141
Naive of you to think they weren't fully aware of what they were doing.
YOU GUYS ARE JUST MAD CUZ SHE BLACK JUST SAY IT IT DOWSNT MATTER THE SKIN COLOR
@@Kekoa552 when we don’t know properly where she is buried a debate on her skin tone is useless
@@aminamemic2141 they might have some traces of middle eastern Persian and African ancestry with Greek being more prominent
ACTUAL QUOTE from the director: "Most of all, we need to realize that Cleopatra’s story is less about her than it is about who we are."
wow, really? no wayyy. x_x
He made a show called Cleopatra but the story will not be about Cleopatra...
Then the director should have done a documentary about himself.
I mean, haven't we all poisoned a sibling to gain a throne at some point?
@@SolidGoldCEO I know I have!
This documentary had a strong relationship with cutting edge scientific methods of "I feel like" and "my grandma said"
It's the leftist kind of science. Very objective 😆
maybe put documentary between quotes " ?
Yes and it's a very sad thing that our (at least Western) mankind just looks like going down that slope to the end of what exactly : magical thought at every corner of life ?
“My uneducated grandmother who didn’t finish high school and was a maid to a White family which made her racist against White people said Cleopatra was black so it must be true!”
"My uncle works at Nintendo."
My Grandfather's best friend's friend said that "No matter what anyone say to you, Alexander the Great was a Sri Lankan". Someone make a documentary now.
RIGHT ON! The documentary is more about Jada's political agenda than it is about actual history.
And ALL of these weirdo’s fantasies. This was green lit and worked on by a lot of them. They all really thought this was a good idea.
Her agenda should be, not fucking her children's friends.
Never believe a word from a woman who literally looks like a serpent 🐍
Everything yr told bout history is a lie.
Jada is an awful, awful, awful person.
It warms my heart when people can unite and hate something together, despite our differences
Damn right.
As a Black woman, I'm sick of Black and White movie makers using biracial and mixed-race actresses to play the role of Black actresses. For example, Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoey Zaldana, Paula Patton, and many others should not be used to play or represent Black women. There needs to be more Black actresses in movies with lead roles. Black women are fed up with seeing biracial and mixed-race women such as Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoe Zaldana, and Paula Patton portraying Black women. As far as I'm concerned, Netflix is promoting everybody except Black women, and everybody knows this. This is why I do not watch or support movies that use fake Black women to play real Black women. These are examples of real Black women: Viola Davis, Lupita Nyong'o, Alfre Woodard, Javicia Leslie, Keke Palmer, Kimberly Elise, Kiki Lane, Lovie Simone, Keshia Knight Pulliam, Tika Sumpter, Skai Jackson, Ryan Destiny, Regina King, Nia Long, Angela Bassett, Brandy, etc. Smh
sometimes all you need is hate
They really thought that "My grandma told me no matter waht they tell you in school..." line was good. Like it was a mic drop sentence. They were so proud of it.
And that's the opposite of what the historian actually said! It's selective editing.
"All right, let's hear what Mama has to say on the subject." - Colonel Sanders
lol
@@bin_made_of_fur As I said elsewhere, you did not provide a complete quote, so I had to find the following. It's all justification for her childhood belief, with a strawman thrown in. Claiming that 'the historian said the opposite' of 'Cleopatra was black' is misleading at best, and a lie at worst.
"But, ultimately, Haley says in the series, “We don’t know her exact racial heritage.”
“She learned the Egyptian language. She practiced the Egyptian religion,” Haley says in the docudrama. “She wants to be remembered as an Egyptian.”
“Ancient Egyptians would have had a variety of different complexions, as we find in other African cultures today,” adds Cleopatra scholar Sally-Ann Ashton, also featured in the series. “Given that Cleopatra represents herself as an Egyptian, it seems very strange that we insist on depicting her as a wholly European.”"
www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2023/05/12/queen-cleopatra-looks-netflix-controversy/
@@bin_made_of_fur Erratum: the strawman is not Haley's, but Ashton's. Ashton's quote is, however, necessary to give essential context to Haley's usage of 'Egyptian'.
“I don’t care what history says, Cleopatra was black”. Is quite accurate. One of my students actually said the same about Wakanda 🤨
But my friends friend's cousin's grandpa said both Wakanda and MLK Jr were white!
@@jakomioftherose2434 sarcasm?
Remember the tragic yet historic story of Leonidas I and his 300 Spartan men?
Yea, truly one of the most famous Korean warriors of all time 🙏
Korean amazonian. Don't leave out the lack of Y chromosomes, misogynist.
They were so brave defending against Christopher Columbus and the White tyranny he brought to South East Asia.
@@MagcargoMan
The pundits are probably afraid they get canceled for talking about french black man Gerard Butler portraying a Jewish King.
@@MagcargoMan I complained they ignored the thousands of greeks who fought and died alongside the Spartans. Well that and portraying Persia as monster the greeks were bigger dicks.
That said 300 never sold itself as a documentary just historical fiction
Lee Oh Nee Dah famous Korean general. Only Koreans might get offended by this shit... Like 100% for sure
I find it funny they wanted a show about unknown female rulers but then chose the one almost everyone knows
This!
I find it funny they wanted a show about a black ruler but chose a ruler that at the very most, would have been half black. A notion that is less likely than the possibility of her being completely Greek. A notion that also dismisses the possibility that her mother was neither Greek or of sub-Saharan heritage. Many different peoples were present in Egypt.
Seriously. They even had Angolan queens they could have gone for.
She is the most famous queen of all time.
Jada's full of shit as usual.
@@iratepirate3896 That would have taken hard work in the research department and trust in the audience's intelligence.
Pinkett Smith being an executive producer says it all.
As a Black woman, I'm sick of Black and White movie makers using biracial and mixed-race actresses to play the role of Black actresses. For example, Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoey Zaldana, Paula Patton, and many others should not be used to play or represent Black women. There needs to be more Black actresses in movies with lead roles. Black women are fed up with seeing biracial and mixed-race women such as Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoe Zaldana, and Paula Patton portraying Black women. As far as I'm concerned, Netflix is promoting everybody except Black women, and everybody knows this. This is why I do not watch or support movies that use fake Black women to play real Black women. These are examples of real Black women: Viola Davis, Lupita Nyong'o, Alfre Woodard, Javicia Leslie, Keke Palmer, Kimberly Elise, Kiki Lane, Lovie Simone, Keshia Knight Pulliam, Tika Sumpter, Skai Jackson, Ryan Destiny, Regina King, Nia Long, Angela Bassett, Brandy, etc. Smh
@@rhondae8222 Trust me. As a white man, I am sick of seeing black men with white women all the time in every commercial. There's always gonna be a mutt-orch in every commercial. The washing of white history is ridiculous because sincerely blacks do not have that much of history recorded and that's their own failure.
Blah blah shut up nobody wants a black anything 😂
@@rhondae8222 Congratulations on not having anything meaningful in your life. Now get over yourself.
@@rhondae8222why should netflix be promoting one race at all? thats black supremacy
I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just choose an actual black queen to examine and document rather than blatantly lie about a well known figure? They would be simultaneously bring previously unknown figures into the spotlight whilst respecting the actual history. It’s almost as if they saw an easy piece of advertising that they could use to push politics…
Director: "It's really important for our sense of culture to highlight these historical figures"
Egypt: "Stop trying to rewrite our culture"
Director: "Why you so upset lol"
That's pretty much any child on the internet
*puts a lot of effort into being annoying*
Why are you so annoyed? Lmao
Please learn History: The Egyptians today are not the Original Egyptians, they are Arabs decendent from the Caliphate conquests of North Africa. Secondly, yes Cleopatra was Mix raced, her farther was a white man ( Ptolemy XII Auletes ) a greek and her mother was Black, despite of the skin colour, she's off her fathers race. I've not watched the Movie but it's really troubling seeing comments of people who don't even understand basic history and base the entire knowledge on Hollywood Norms.
@@wgbhg Then why is Egypt so upset?
@@wgbhg If you're going to complain about revisionism, Don't spout blatant revisionism.
Cleopatra's mother is uncertain. She could have been a relative or sister of her father Ptolemy XII. We don't know, nor is it even certain whether she was legitimate or not. Her father was a bastard himself, but who's to say where his mother came from? There is no definite evidence although many scholars have ventured guesses. What we do have to go off of makes it clear she would have been any of acedonian Greeks, Persians, Sogdians and even Pontic nobility, but her being "Mixed Black" is astronomically unlikely.
@@Lucifixcode Becasue they can't accept the truth, they are not the Eygytians, they all are arabs. They even have a arab league...... How can you claim to be both an arab and a Eygptian, makes no sense, you can't be two different races of people
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Cleopatra was a calculated manipulator who used her sexuality to manipulate powerful men. I'm not sure why Jada feels such an affinity to her 🤔
*rimshot*
It shouldn't be a surprise that many incel-feminists loves Cleopatra
Edit: let's not forget that she was an usurper
I think that was one aspect about her
But we can learn about power by reading about them.
Cleopatra spoke and read over five languages. Romans assumed she was getting to their generals trough sex, because their own women weren't involved in politics and couldn't even read. But thinking that all these intelligent war leaders just threw their brains into trash after seeing a pretty woman? Does a disservice to those men. Far more likely they were swayed by her logical arguments, and with what her contry could bring to the table if she stayed in charge.
Assuming Cleopatra got her way threw sex appeal, implies that that these logical, well educated war leaders and rulers somehow kept their position in their cutthroat politics, despite being completely led by their dick. That seems unlikely.
@@Sienisota Cleopatra was probably smart enough to know when to use sex and when to use logical arguments. Some Romans would have been drawn in by her beauty and some would be drawn in by her intellect. It was a win-win for Cleopatra, no matter which method she used.
My uncle's ex-wife's cousin's former roommate's gym coach once said to me, "I don't care what they tell you at school...Napoleon Bonaparte was Chinese."
Who would have expected that something made by Jada Pickett Smith would be wildly unpopular?
Yea, Will's got a peach there I'll tell ya 🙄
Keep her name out your f'en comments!!
@@dsmyify It was a G.I JANE joke!....
Anyone unfortunate to see any of her movies or her talentless offspring's ever?
Distorting reality seems to be a common trend these days
Well, at lest on one side of the aisle.
Well, i genuinely worry for the mental health of mankind these days.
@@qq5847 it is lost. Deminishing slowly whats left of it. These are the mental states that bring war and death. Cant wait…
It’s what happens when activists become filmmakers.
Culture stealing
I love how they get mad and say “why does it matter to you?” Well….it mattered enough to you to embarrass yourself by claiming something to be true that obviously isn’t and then defend it….?
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
1984 George Orwell
Described white supremacy and its tools perfectly.
Literally 1984
I can already feel Big Brother coming inside
Do you whip out this quote whenever some redneck claims Sub-Saharan Africa never had empires or metallurgy or is your outrage extremely selective?
@@the_letter_5579they don’t call
him big for nothing
Pissing off an entire country!? I applaud Jada's achievement. I bet Will is laughing his ass off.
He can't laugh with jada's foot in his mouth
@@redberries8039 Her foot's actually up his ass, but in any case, he's not allowed to laugh.
He should slap her
Will Simp
That SIMP deserves everything he's getting
If they just refrained from calling their fanfiction a documentary, they would probably have gotten away with it just like they did with Bridgerton
Could have at least avoided having the country of Egypt sue them or something
I think there would have been only 10% the backlash if it was just a played-straight historical fiction drama, that started with a subtitle saying "What if?"
Of course that would only have got 10% the notoriety too, so not good enough for a narcissist.
Na, it wouldn't have been as bad but Bridgerton wasn't as clear cut on the race thing and isn't anywhere near as famous.
I find Bridgeton odd. It is a bit creepy that others want to pretend they are British historical aristocracy and appropriate someone else's culture.
Bridgerton was never really portrayed as history. It was historical fantasy and quite open about it. It was wildly popular because it had the period trappings that many women love and combined it with modern day politics. It was a show that was targeted at liberal women and was successful because of it.
The backlash the Velma, Santa Inc. and Cleopatra are getting is reassuring because it tells me I'm not the only person who values good storytelling over political pandering.
As of right now, Velma has a 1.5/10 on IMDb and an audience score of 7% on Rotten Tomatoes. Cleopatra (2023) has a 1.1/10 on IMDb and an audience score of 2% on Rotten Tomatoes. Imagine being more hated than freaking _Velma!_ That is an achievement.
It's actually 1%....!
I'm still waiting for Queen Charlotte to get stink. She is at 7.2 right now.
I'm actually amazed. Didn't think we'd get another addition of dumpster shyte from Hell so soon after but I was wrong!🤯 Wonder what else can get even worse than this this year...
Oh, SHI-.......
NOW you've gone and done it! You just HAD to tempt fate, didn't you?!?
Now we'll probably get a Velma/ Cleopatra crossover.
As a Greek, I feel offended at Netflix covering up our history
Not your history, but history in general. Cleopatra "documentary" isn't the only shame they're releasing
@@kerdart351 It is covering up history, but it’s still ours though. She was Greek/Macedonian.
@@obamahimself2885 what I mean, is that netflix&Hollywood are bullshitting history everywhere...not only u
Just mad because Turks are rad and megali idea failed bad
Uhm think again sweatie, Egypt isn't Greece
I lived in Egypt for a bit, and am still in contact through Facebook with some people I met there. It's an understatement to say that they were not happy with this. In fact, it's the only time I heard or saw a Coptic Christian friend use the word f***.
sure, it kind off pissed us off a bit, but we didn't really give it much thought. we're going through an economic crisis, and we've got incoming elections that're likely going to end a 70 year long military dictatorship, plus this entire thing happened to coincide with the conflict in Sudan, so it didn't really get to keep the spotlight for long. there is also something I'd like to point out, Egyptians generally don't care about racism, I'd be lying if I said racism isn't quite prominent here, but generally speaking Egyptian society is more classist than racist.
When a whole country sues you for misrepresenting their history you should really have a long hard look at yourself.
Except none of them will. They'll go on thinking theyre always right
And they will say the whole country is being racist
Netflix? Accountability?! LOL
Jada has 2 failing shows and a ruined marriage. Seems like she’s keeping things consistent 😂
And we just know Will is hyping her up all the same 😢
She's the devil in human form
Funny thing is that this isn't the first time someone attempted to make a Greek person into a black person. The difference being that it now managed to piss off two cultures, rather than one.
I remember some years ago that someone published a book which claimed ancient Greece consisted of black people. Very funny, considering that the ancient Greeks named Ethiopia Ethiopia, which literally means "land of the *burnt* looking people" (pretty weird that supposedly black people would think other black people are burnt humans, no?). Even funnier when you remember that the other people that were saying, again and again, that we do not own our culture/are not the same people as ancient Greeks are the Nazis, a group that those activists are, supposedly, the exact opposite of.
Goes to show that these kinds of people don't believe in equality (or really anything), they just want to be the ones to be on top.
I love the way Jada gave her the most thick, kinky, full, and bouncy hair out of all the characters, definitely not over compensating.
She was disgusting even before we knew she clowned Will. She was bald 🤢
I hope she reads this man...
LMAO
Kin(K)y is how you spell that, and we all know you meant nappy from your delivery…..
@@WIKUS70 I hope Will Smith reads it haha
The most horrific part about this blackwashing is that it’s meant to be a documentary, as in something that teaches children.
They are ALWAYS going for the children.
oh no think about the children!! :o
a documentary is meant to document stuff
You think documentaries are for children? That's pretty silly...the primary consumers of documentaries are adults. Most documentaries are for teaching anyone interested, not just children, or it'd be obvious...there's a strong tendency for educational material aimed at children to talk down to them, even when they're consciously trying not to.
They start out young watching Disney’s The Proud Family episode about white supremacy in the USA and then work their way up from there. 😅
I don't know if I'd say documentaries are specifically aimed for children. Some sure aren't material that should be viewed by them. Documentaries are meant to as closely and accurately as possible, document and present historical fact to the viewer. That's why there's usually experts in the field involved in them.
This one doesn't do that. So in that sense it's neither for Children nor adults. It's meant for the fires if anything.
What concerns me isn't their hubris that causes them to lie to the viewing public; it's their emotional weakness and frailty that causes them to continue to lie to themselves.
The word you're looking for is narcissism.
the term "useful idiots" comes to mind
@@warofnoise5394 at least "useful idiots" are still "useful". They, however, are not.
they lied because they have low self-esteem. they are not even proud of who they really that the only way they could feel good is to steal someone else's culture and queen to make themselves feel good. "oh, look at us, my ancestor are the queen of egypt" "my ancestor ruled one of the oldest civilization on earth"
@@zovinchen3281 they're useful to those who wish to seed THE MESSAGE into everything on the face of this planet
the fact that 'Night at the museum' is more accurate than this "Documentary" is really quite funny
Jada Pinkett Smith is every bit as great a Producer as she is a wife and human being.
Come now, she is clearly Egypt's greatest historian.
This is obbviously an ego project. She's basically cosplaying as Cleopatra by proxy.
And who would think is a good idea to hired her...Netflix.
She was great in Set It Off 1996 and that's it.
Rewriting history. Also the show is complete garbage. Netflix get real . This is racism. Cleopatra was Greek . The disrespect for Egyptian people and their history is mind blowing
If she was interested in black queen then she could have done a documentary about Yaa Asantewa and the Golden Stool (The warrior queen of Asante Kingdom, Ghana that led men who gave up to fight British invaders). Such an underrated strong black woman story.
Jada didn't have to stoop so low to lying about Cleopatra.
Naw telling stories about the rich and interesting lore and history of Africa is illegal.
I commented something similar if they really wanted to tell stories about black rulers that that were actually part of Egyptian history they could have researched into the Nubian and Kushite Pharaohs
But that's hard work, why bother researching something into the actual demographic of history that you're interested in when you can just take something that has mainstream appeal slap a new coat of paint on its skin and resell it all the while screaming at anyone who doesn't like it as "bigot"
Nah, that would require too much research and effort.
Jada the hunt, like most woke loser forsake their actual heritage, that they are ancestry of slave trade from africa, a place where every warlord enslaving their own people....nooo this wont serve their narrative of quilting the whites.
The sad thing about productions like Cleopatra is that the immediate reaction to seeing an announcement for a documentary like that now would be "oh, is Hollywood trying to rewrite history again?" When you've got shows like The Woman King and Cleopatra, you can't really blame people for having that kind of response, either.
4:21 Notice how Jada uses words like “me” and “my” several times in this statement.
The entire point of documentary is to give *other* people a foothold to tell *their* story so that the rest can bear witness to them and walk a mile in *their* shoes.
But Jada didn’t produce this to give other people a voice. She did it for herself so that she could metaphorically, and maybe even literally, flick herself off to it.
She has Will bring in young men to do the flicking for her
Imagine being more vain than monarchs who literally thought they were the incarnation of a deity
Her being cleo was likely some kind of internalized fantasy she has had for sometime now. A queen beloved by all and remembered for centuries. Doesn't matter how much history she has to rewrite to achieve it.
She literally uses those words only once each.....so..."several times" is a bit of an exaggeration.
@@BeefIntoCake She uses “my” twice, hence the several. What did you want me to say?
It’s like modern producers are caught in the cycle of their own character misbeliefs, think that pursuing their goals will make them and others happy, while failing to take the journey to discover the truth of said misbeliefs. That, and money.
Love how Velma sparked so much controversy and less than a year later, this show was like "hold my beer!"
Wait until the next few months. It seems to get worse.
Hold my bud light
Just so happen to have a Bud Light at hand!
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, WOKE CROWD?
@Francis Xavyer they don't care. Somehow they believe their bullshit is serving a moral imperative or something.
Don't forget the part where the show's director cited her fortune-teller as a source, as well, telling her that this dream she had was totally true. Because the word of a fortune-teller - a famously reliable and not at all exploitative profession - certainly holds weight against the Director of Historical Antiquities of Egypt when you're talking about Egyptian history.
Nothing says accuracy like a crazy lady that used to have to go town to town because the locals would chase her out demanding their money back..😮😂😂
so she was literally dreaming LOL
The distinction between fact and feeling is impossibly challenging for these people.
oh yes we can deff smell shite! Nothing worse tham an idiot with iniciative, my dad used to say. a Fortume Teller, the worlds most reliable comms system 🤣
I want to scream.
At something.
A tier bs.