The Last Crusade was the final, PROPER send-off for Indy. He made up with his father, had a grand adventure with him, and helped him achieve his lifelong goal. Job done, leave it alone, everything after that has just been a cashgrab.
I like the Crystal skull I just think they should have shot on location like the other three movies so the backgrounds of the fake areas wouldn't look so fake. But this Crystal's coal was faithful to the original Three. Some people said that the action was over the top but if you look at the other movies there's quite a few scenes that was over the top as well. Remember in the Temple of Doom and they flew out the airplane with the air filled boat and survived? Be careful dressing up the past before you forget the cracks. But yeah I think they should have stopped it with 4.
@@darthdiculous6511 the 'world' of Indiana Jones can survive without Harrison Ford, if you stick to the formula. It's basically an homage to the old pulp fantasy adventure serials of the 1930s, which are to this day great fun if you just accept it's all a fantasy Indy 4 failed utterly because it didn't keep that feel. Indy 5.... yeah, it'll fail for the same reason and any attempt at a reboot is DOA because Lucasfilm doesn't understand that you cannot do this kind of movie with 'modern sensibilities'
Regarding Back to the Future, Robert Zemickis owns the rights to the entire franchise and has gone on record saying he will block all attempts to do further sequels, reboots or prequels precisely because he doesn't want to see it ruined like so many other franchises. So that's a relief.
Good to hear, i dont even want to imagine how Back in the future 2022 would look like. Marty and Doc had that special chemistry, just like Harrison Ford had with Sean Connery in Indy 3.
Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale have indeed both stated that they will continue to block the studio from remaking Back to the Future, but they're both in their 70s. Once they pass on, you can bet your bottom dollar that the studio will remake the movie. It's inevitable.
To be honest, the Telltale BTTF game from 2008 is a surprisingly decent continuation, and comics written by Bob Gale (the Biff one, at least) are pretty good, too
Seriously though, something needs done about this sort of thing, bruce willis , stan lee, all kinda abused in their old age for profit...stan lee appear to have been very much so.
It is so sad that River Phoenix is no longer with us. In one of the original Indiana films he played the young Indiana and I thought he absolutely nailed Harrison Fords mannerisms and character.
oh right he did play young Indy, when he was in boy scouts or whatever. dang i havent seen the movies in such a long time, just got smacked in the face with nostalgia.
"It's going to destroy the legacy of the character..." and that is exactly the point! These characters from the past, Indy, Skywalker, ect, they are part of our history -- a time when we were young and impressionable. In a sense, these on-screen characters are a part our roots. Which is exactly why 'they' are working so hard to kill them. You kill the roots, you kill the tree.
Disney is commendable, they manage to alienate the original audience for their franchises while at the same time failing to captivate different audiences that they’re aiming to please. I wonder who’s making those decisions, because they clearly seem to know something I don’t.
when in decades to come the last 10 years and probably next 5-8 years will be studied and compared to all cinematic history it will considered the darkest time in movies
@@tommyboman7735 20 years ago we got Lord of the Rings. In 2000s we got Dark Knight, Spider-Man, Casino Royale, Chronicles of Narnia, Harry Potter, Iron Man, Revenge of the Sith, Avatar, Watchmen, Born trilogy, best Pixar movies.
I remember an interview with Harrison Ford back in 1981 when he said, at the time he was around 38, I think, "I need to do these movies now because I'm going to be too old to do them." In his late 30's. Over 40 years ago.
It just warms my heart to know they're all working so hard with reshoots and pushing back the release to "win over" an audience that is still going to reject it, mock it, meme it and just straight up trash it because it's still going to be badly written woke crap.
You really hit the nail on the head that Indy doesn't appeal to anyone born later than GenXers. Their heroes aren't badasses and have righteous morals; they're influencers and politicians who step all over each other to get to the top. This generation wouldn't understand why "It belongs in a museum" is such an important line because they don't care about preserving and learning from the past. They just don't care.
They'll just modernize it - "It belongs, on TikTok" as New Indy proceeds to use said historical artifact in a viral video for clout chasing purposes and promoting a new crypto/NFT. lol
This movie doesn't star Harrison Ford, it stars Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Ford is just there to draw people in to see Waller-Bridge as the new Indiana. Why Phoebe Waller-Bridge has a career escapes me. Oh wait, she's the daughter of very wealthy, well-connected parents. Now I remember.
Harrison Ford hated being Han Solo and didn’t want to come back for the Star Wars sequels. It makes me wonder what keeps drawing him to these Indy sequels?
@@timboslice9905 Good question, he is willling to kill his two icon male heros without a problem as it seems (cause its not 100% at this point in Indy)
@@timboslice9905 He's the right age. Did a interview years ago, but those are the type of adventure movies Hollywood was making in his childhood. Tons of them in the 50s. Some of them got the ultra big budget Roadshow treatment. Really huge action adventures. They went out of style a bit in the 60s and 70s, and he got to reinvent and redefine them in the 80s. A mostly dead genre from his childhood.
@@timboslice9905 Ford hated Solo because Solo was not the "star" - Luke was. If you pay attention, Han Solo was the comic-relief, the awkward guy who wants everyone to _think_ he's a badass...
Indiana Jones should have ended at The Last Crusade. In Crystal Skull, Indy basically went around the whole movie saying, "I'm too old for this sh!t." The message I got, from someone who loved Indy my whole life, was "you're old now, too." That was 14 frickin' years ago! Lucasfilm is doing Indy 5 because they have absolutely NO new ideas. That goes for most of Hollywood, as well.
No, you recast the film with a younger actor, as they've done with James Bond. The reason they won't do that is because woke Hollywood doesn't want another "hetero white male franchise" so instead, they're exploiting Ford to shoehorn in Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who cannot possibly carry a film on her own.
They honestly would have been better off just rebooting using the idea... "PWB and the Crystal helmet of doom" or something, it'd still probably flop but it has no need to abuse the legacy of Indy.
Karl Frederickson was the only geriatric action hero that worked on the screen, and that only worked because he was only a cartoon and the team at Pixar knew how to make it work. The people who are doing the Indiana Jones movies just seem to think that sticking an elderly Harrison Ford in front of the camera will carry people back to the original excitement. NO. It's a depressing reminder that he's an old guy who is gonna die soon. Next up: Harry Potter and the PTA meeting.
It's a shame that River Pheonix ended up the way he did, I loved him as young Indy in the last crusade; he should have been the successor, if there was to be one.
It's funny how Phoebe can influence the script on Indiana Jones movies while a true fan like Henry Cavil can't give any input on his projects. Female privilege.
Very true, although I think normal everyday non city dwelling non woke females still appretiate classic movies etc and don't want them touched and destroyed. That Pheobe is a London Wokee...not your average female. I want them to have left LotR, Star Wars, Indie, Ghost Busters, classic Disney tales etc alone. They don't have the intelligence, creativity or taste to make good movies anymore ( there are some very rare exceptions). Movies to them are not about enjoyment, entertainment or escapism. It's sad. Men have made the best movies known to mankind.
These "modern" reboots are always a vehicle for the message. As an 80s kid that grew up with Indy, I won't be bothering and I went to watch crystal skull at the cinema
You went for Crystal Skull because you loved the original trilogy. Now that the faith has been broken, no wonder there will be millions like you who won't bother watching this one
100%, even without the PWB rumors swirling I wasn't going to see any new Indy movie after the Crystal Skull debacle. I saw it once in the theater, that was enough. Hell that opening scene alone in that one was just fucking terrible.
Babyface raised a very important point that the studios don’t appear to understand: actors are not interchangeable parts. Great actors can’t be replaced by any clod.
Yup, this applies across the entire spectrum. You can't pick out just anybody to be the lead in a film like Bloodsport, nor can you just have anyone play the role of the General in The Rock, the same as you can't have anyone don a fedora and call them Indiana Jones.
And his example of Peter Faulk as Columbo, is deadly accurate. There are some characters you simply CANNOT replace. Belushi as Bluto, is another example of the studios trying to replicate his comedic genius, with some obese no-name actor as his cousin in that short lived Animal House tv spin off called ‘Delta House’.
Nice analogy with Columbo! There isn’t any person on earth who could’ve replaced him…..ever. Also, the writing in that series, will never be replaced either? Masterclass murder/mystery writing.
Never watch Columbo with a modern eye; I've never seen him solve a case that wouldn't be tossed out of court in thirty seconds due to things that would today be considered tampering with evidence. "Murder, She Wrote" is the same - "Sure, we'll let you contaminate the scene and handle evidence without gloves because you're a famous fiction writer."
I remember having to sit through Crystal Skull and being a Dad myself, I noticed a lot of kids who would have been my age when I saw "Raiders" in 1981, were seemingly unimpressed and I thought to myself "Its a shame these kids never got to see the movie I saw in 1981!" As a movie critic in Empire said of Crystal Skull, "The Last Crusade immortalised Indy, it should have been left that way!" How fucking true!!
@Chase Hedges67 I was born '76 and Raiders was my first ever cinema experience and Jaws was the first film I'd ever seen on video! Both films are my all time favourites and growing up in the 80's, I saw all three Indy movies, Gremlins, Back to the Future, Explorers, Star Trek 4: the Voyage Home, Twins, The Goonies, Return of the Jefi, it was an awesome time. One of the greatest times to be a kid. Now, it's an absolute shit show! Stick with independent movies and may I suggest delving into 70's, 80's and 90's cinema! The last time I was at the cinema was with my son and that was ages ago! Event movies don't really happen anymore! I remember going to see Terminator 2 back in '91 and the queue was wrapped around the block, I remember the whole cinema cheering as the T-800 rebooted. Something you just don't see anymore!! I'm glad that younger people like yourself see this shit happening and recognise it! There will be a turning of the tide (hopefully) and we can get some old school cinema back! Until then, get some beers and check out some classics from back in the day!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🤘🤘🤘🤘
Yeah, Last Crusade was THE ending. Pretty much perfect in my mind, with how Indy and his father never got along but reconciled as the movie progressed, then after saving the world they rode off into the Sunset together. There is literally NO reason to ever need to make more Indy movies after that.
That's so true Every thing they touch has the be jammed full of woke and identity politics And that went so well in starwars, shehulk and Amazon ring of power billion dollar belly flop So well done
@@waynehewett4017 At least they are almost through with humiliating and ruining all the great male childhood heroes, there are not much left... Maybe when they have destroyed everything we love they will move on and concentrate on other nice things to ruin and we can build back an entertainment industry in secret.
@@Ricardo-cl3vs I agree Kathleen Kennedy and her flying monkey's did exactly that in all the past starwars movies Then you have shehulk and rings of power etc It doesn't make sense to make movies and shows for only 2% of fans and disregard the rest Disney for example with its predatory behaviour and actions towards young children Yet avatar 2 has made over a billion bucks so far I wonder how many parents know they are supporting Disney? What's next introducing porn hub and red tube into Disney's children's programs on Disney plus? I recommend you check out the UA-cam channel DUST It's short films made by independent film artists Others like CGI brothers and Asima have good films as well Or studio Gibily animated films We do have a choice to boycott the woke and identity politics But using our wallets
@@waynehewett4017 Exactly! Well, there is the occasional light at the end of the tunnel, like the John Wick franchise that has none of the woke stuff (yet) or Tom Cruise movies who also stay clear of it. I haven't seen "Top Gun: Maverick" yet and will watch it tonight with my wife. Must be good from what I've heard. I have watched "Bullet Train" yesterday evening and it's a great, slightly absurd, dark comedy with pitch black humor, just my thing. Highly recommended! Thanks, I will have a look into it. Stay strong, bro!
Don't worry, the current rights holders of BTTF - I think it might be Zemeckis himself - has gone on record saying they will never sell them and never allow anyone to do anything with it for the precise reason of preventing the franchise from being spoiled.
Crystal Skull came out my graduation weekend, when I got my BA in Anthro/Archaeology. I went to see it to a packed house with my mom and my aunt...as soon as the aliens showed up they started balling. I'm still shook
5:08 My friend made the silver lining comment about this part of Solo that made me more accepting of the retroactive inserting of L3-37 into the Millennium Falcon's computer systems: "For someone so uptight about droid rights and nagging Lando about her independence, her ultimate fate was the fitting irony that she would forever serve as a ghost in the shell of the Millennium Falcon".
Yeah. Like to do a small reshoot of 1 or 2 scenes based on the test screening to make it appeal to a broader audience is one thing... but what you hear here (and from Lucasfilm in general) is that they have no fucking clue how to even write a story and have to change it so many times that it becomes a bungled mess compared to even the original plan. And the politics.... 'the future is female'.... no it's not, the future is in the toilet coz feminism destroyed family units and even the ability for most millennials/gen z women to even date! You need offspring for a future, and daddy government can't provide that for you. So maybe get off that high morality horse before you fall off.
I don't want to see Indiana Jones die, whether they replace him or not, I just don't. In the same way I don't go to my high school reunion hoping to watch my old classmates die in front of me. After the third film, he lived happily ever after, same as in Star Wars etc. Remember when Cinderella lived happily ever after, and then 20 years later someone jammed a light saber through her? Me neither. It does not help the story.
my grandfather is Arapahoe. I rarely identify as native as I'm only 1/4 and grew up in suburbia. known very few 1st nations people who get bent out of shape at being called Indian. they will often spell it NDN in order to differentiate from actual India Indians but it's a more or less accepted term at least among many of the mountain and plains regions groups I have spent time with. it's mostly just annoying when 'well meaning' wyt people refer to the native peoples as if they were all 1 people with 1 lifestyle....my wife's aunt is this real life aging hippie who still regularly tries to tell me what native Americans belived...usually something she saw in a hippie magazine that didn't differentiate
I always love messing with those well meaning fools. I've got a touch of Abenaki in my family; I don't even think there are more than a thousand 100% left in the world. These folks will talk about their fishing and use of nets and long houses and all that and pretend (or believe!) that they were all sweet and peaceful... And then I get to ruin their day by telling them how the Abenaki used to hunt the Onieda like deer... for sport... like a thing you just do on a Saturday. It's fun watching them bluster while their sweet little notions fall to pieces. Heck, they're pretty sure the Native Americans drove the Scandinavians (Vikings) out of Newfoundland... by slowly killing them off in a war of attrition.
I figured it out. Look at who is writing, directing, producing, consulting. You got KK and Patty and Phoebe, etc. These are women who are all tied to legacy franchises that absolutely don't understand and don't care about the stories that were created, they just wanted to be a part of the social event. What they care about is their social justice nonsense and they seem to think the target audience is other 40-60 year old women like them that were apparently left out as kids because of boys. Surely there's millions of women just like them that just wanted to be a part of these things right? The answer is no. We were all kids once. How many times did the girls at your school turn their noses up at the movies you watched or games you were interested in? I can count on both hands the amount of girls I've known that actually liked a lot of this stuff vs. the ones that were forced to play with the boys or go watch their movies because there were no other girls around. Rare was the occurence actual interest rather than that girl feeling left out. The KK audience, doesn't exist.
The only way an old HF Indy would have worked in a new movie is if his son/replacement went to him for advise, not as a whipping post. And not dragging him around for the ride Weekend at Bernie's style.
Well Bond took $775M at the global box office. During a global pandemic. Solo didn’t fail because of her relatively small screen time - it failed because it wasn’t a good film, which was nothing to do with her. Killing Eve was a big success - 4 seasons and high ratings. She’s actually a very good actress, if you’ve ever watched Fleabag. So are you just another nasty little misogynist?
@@GingerPiston Nice try ( I like the misogynist jab.. very on brand ) Bond is the only one you could make an argument about because of Killing Eve, but NTTD was most certainly controversial to say the least. Solo was the first SW movie to bomb at the box office, she was either in it, or she wasn't. Now, regardless of box office anything the real point was... what about Fleabag screams that she is perfect to jump onboard all these blockbuster action franchises? Literally Star Wars, Indiana Jones and James Bond. I'll answer it for you... nothing. However she does appease those who like to respond to every problem with screams of " misogynist!!! ". Congratulations, you have not only missed the point, you have demonstrated the problem.
Sean Connery played the elderly father in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade he was 58 years old at the time. Harrison Ford is 80. The only reason for him to be in another Indy film is a bit role to pass the torch to his grandchild.
i never understood why they didn't use short round to continue the franchise. he admired indy so much, he could've followed in his footsteps as an archaeologist, and would have been believable to swap out for an adult if the same actor wasn't available - kids' faces change as they grow, it would have been easy to accept. indy could've disappeared on one of his adventures and boom! here comes short round searching for his mentor. you'd have older harrison only appear at the beginning and end. short round was smart, funny, competent, independent...it writes itself.
@The Rotten💯 She's produced a fair few bona-fide classics over the last 40 years. So if Indy 5 is successful you'll be sad? Is it because you listen to the like of Heels and Critical and that's how you form opinions?
@The Rotten💯 I like how, all of a sudden, it's the producer's fault when it comes to the sequel trilogy. Even though the lack of planning and foresight can be levelled squarely at JJ. He's even boasted about his 'mystery boxes' and how they don't have to amount to anything. He's the one who kickstarted the sequels with absolutely zero destination and yet Kennedy gets the flack.
The battle lines are being drawn.i just want my entertainment to serve my likes and fantasies.i don't need to even humor THE other.just choose your side and stay there
I can just imagine a Back to the Future reboot... Marty 2 is a smart girl who fixes in 5 minutes Doc Brown's failed experiments of a life time. The minute Marty 2 is distracted from her constant guiding of the doddering old doc, he gets into trouble because he thinks he's actually brilliant and Marty 2 has to rescue the poor old man while comedically going out of her way him think he's actually in charge. All the lengths Marty 2 has to go through to save the day while keeping senile ol' Doc Brown in his fantasy world where he invented time travel and is the one in charge will make an amazing action comedy reboot.
This might actually be good....if it could be done by Mel Brookes. His parody stuff is great. But when have we ever seen a good movie with gyno-comedy? Anyone???
The composer is the last person involved in a movie so if they’re bringing Williams back it means they were completely done before they decided to redo the ending. I’m taking this as hard proof Doomcock’s ending was true
@@ytsm Old Indy and Bridge's character travel back in time, meet young Indy, young Indy gets killed, old Indy fades away and Bridge's character now has all the adventures Indy had. Indy is not just replaced, but written out of his own story. Doomcock leaked the rumour about that ending over a year ago. After it was clear that this would not fly they delayed the movie for a year for reshoots. Recently it got out that they now have 5 or 6 endings. Testscreenings clocked the ending the test audience as liked the best at 34% approval. From the rumours they didn't stray much from the ending they had and now they are back for more reshoots and maybe re-cut the movie.
I had a cousin that had a bull whip when i was a kid. We used to go around trying to wrap it around tree branches and swing pretending to be indiana Jones. It's a real shame what the last movie did to Indy
I can't wait to hear his following catchphrases: "Oh, for fuck sake" "Why? Don't know!" "Nah, it'll be fine" "Fuck off, film" "Uh, sure, I guess" Let's not forget the clips that he will use: Tony Starks "Not a great plan" J.Jonah Jamesons laugh (probably including the "You serious?" part) Chewin' The Fats "I think I can smell shite" clips That blood curdling scream
well, i think at this point reshoots are the only thing that might barely save this film. i have still a little hope left because so far James Mangold never made a really bad movie. but like you've said, having PWB attached to it, seems like a permanent kiss of death. greetings from germany :)
3:29 Crystal Skull wisely denied itself passing the torch right at the end, when Indy's hat blows off in the wind and Mutt goes to retrieve it, only for Indy to take it out of his hands. The wedding itself was the sendoff to all of these characters. Mutt doesn't have to step into his father's footsteeps, either.
My fear is that the writers will take the propensity of the character to smirk, fumble and stumble, take a shot to the face and look goofy, do that thing where he furrows his brow and points a finger angrily at someone and make that a woke punchline where he gets his comeuppance and not just a naturally occurring feature of the character. It would be easy for them to put Indiana Jones in the "henpecked husband" or "manchild" trope, denigrating the character to push "the message."
Crystal Skull was stretching my believability in Harrison Ford to play Indy almost to the breaking point, but this new movie…SNAP! Brendan Fraser could have played him after HG before his health went to crap and all those surgeries, and everything else he was saddled with. I love Indy, but let the role pass to someone who could convincingly play him in his mid to late twenties, fresh out of college, set it before ToD, there’s been quite a few Indy novels written, they could adapt a couple of those.
It's hilarious how AZ shuts down when Lil platoon starts talking. Not because he dislikes Platoon, no no, but because platoon makes such logical arguments about the state of films and what they mean to studios/people. It just kills Az 🤣
"It's still a business" is a double-edged sword. At some point, companies that consider themselves to be in the entertainment business have to consider the costs of diluting their properties in order to sell themselves to an audience that doesn't actually buy streaming subscriptions or opening-night tickets. But at the same time, if Disney comes knocking at the door of a director or an actor (Mangold, Raimi, Hamill, Ford...) it's awful hard to say no to a significant paycheck and an opportunity to stay in the public consciousness a little longer. Even if the job might be dreck.
Sucks because the setting of ancient Greece seems interesting and the device that the artifact in this movie takes inspiration from is truly an amazing feat of engineering 1500+ years ahead of it's time and would love to see a well done story around it but this project from many respects seems to be destined to fail.
Indi 5 Makes crystal skull look like golden globe award winning Do you think indi 5 will even beat shehulk for the worst product ever Tho willow ,rings of power ,little mermaid, woman King and black panter 2 would be neck and neck for first prize
Crystal Skull was at least a good faith attempt by the original creative team, even if it was a meh story. (And gave me personally the ending for Indy and Marion I wanted to see.) But this new proganda piece is absolutely Assassination of a character.
@@JamesRDavenport I agree it did give them a good send off and the should have been it dead But of coarse Disney is desperate to squeeze out any dollars it can with the billions of dollars it bleeding out We only need to look a willow and strange world to know what Kathleen Kennedy has done with indi5 It amazes me how that narcissistic scum bag of a woman still has a job After she ran starwars into the mud
Remember when the writers of South Park portrayed Indy 4 getting raped on a pinball machine? That was a cathartic episode because it was how we all felt, and they finally showed it. Indy 5 is going to be so much worse than that.
Heelvs makes an outstanding comparison between Indie and Solo. Let's not forget that Solo: A Starwars Story was an abject failure to the point that Disney and Lucas's films stopped making all these Starwars movies. They instead went with streaming. The idea was to be like Marvel and pump out 2-3 Star Wars movies per year. That didn't happen.
Twenty years ago, if someone told me a series for [x franchise] was in the works, or a studio was working on resurrecting an older or cancelled property, I'd have been excited. Now, these announcements fill me with a nameless dread.
I was born in 2000 and watched the original trilogy with my father. Indiana Jones and the Lord of the rings and Star wars are the movies I watched with him when I was younger. They were quite possibly the first movies that I watched that weren't meant for children but young adults and dealt with heavier content than the kids movies I had watched until then. And it saddens me to see what has happened to these three behemoths of movie history.
I think they had an absolute golden parachute when everyone was suggesting Chris Pratt should play Indiana. Paired with a good writer maybe that stood a chance of reinvigorating the franchise. Instead the destructive wokies did all they could to burn it all down.
A lot of good points and facts mentioned by Heels, totally agree. Political agenda should not even be a factor in entertainment, never mind taking priority over everything else!
That is such a pussy and antiseptic approach to art. Creators who don’t have the balls to speak their mind don’t deserve their position. If you don’t like what they have to say, that’s fine. But that’s on you. Thankfully, creators aren’t beholden to their audience; at least the good ones aren’t.
@@eyespy3001 Nothing to do with art, I find modern films to be lacking in their ability to do what they are supposed to do because there is some other agenda being pushed. I like a Film to surprise me in a good way, take me out of my comfort zone and make me thing about things differently, and I do watch modern small time Films that I like, being an exception rather than a rule. My comment was raised with relevance to the content.
@@leonhantz6383 “I find modern films to be lacking in what they’re supposed to do because there is some agenda being pushed.” That, again, is on you. Just because you are not entertained due to whatever baggage you’re bringing into the experience with you doesn’t mean that someone else won’t be. The movie doesn’t fail at being a movie because of something _you_ take offense to.
@@eyespy3001 Why don't you ask Az -'Heel' the same thing? After all, he's the reason I felt obliged to agree and post. BTW who is taking offence? I think you are getting it mixed up with disappointment and disillusionment. Take it up with HeelvsBF
@@leonhantz6383 “who is taking offense?” I’m speaking in general terms here. This entire UA-cam channel is centered around being put off by so-called agendas. Every single video is an op-ed piece about childhoods being ruined and ThE MeSsAgE destroying everything… Christ, the far bald guy in the bottom left corner looked like he was about to have an aneurysm talking about how angry he gets at the thought of Indiana Jones being ruined. There disappointment and disillusionment, then there’s making a living on UA-cam by manufacturing outrage.
I know test screenings and reshoots aren't exactly uncommon, but there seems to be a trend of making films on the fly, in response to social media reactions... if a sneak peek doesn't have the desired effect, or the teaser trailer isn't well received, course correction at every turn seems to be the desired method. TROS is the perfect example and probably the first time noticing the extent of how much a film can be patched together, with actors, characters and story being chopped, cut, deleted and reshot on a whim... unsurprisingly, resulting in a multi-million, Frankenstein's monster shit show! I'd love to know the total amount of footage filmed, but cut from big budget blockbusters in the last 5 years... probably amounts to several feature length movies, or the equivalent of burning a Billion dollars 🤦🏼♂️
Holy shit even the 4th ended it off nicely, he got married and Shia DIDNT replace him, like as much issues people have with that movie, Atleast it didn’t try to sequel bait!
If a movie has rumors about replacing a legacy character with another charcter whos defining characteristics are one dimensional (race, sexuality, gender etc.), releases a trailer that hints that is the case, the cast denies said rumors (aggressively), and then announces there are reshoots shortly before release it only means one thing: The rumors are true and the studio is desperately trying to soften the blow before the movie launched. Only, this time people are aware of this pattern now. This movie, just like Rings of power, will be a hard pass.
They had something when it was Sean Connery who said to Ford, _"Indiana? Indiana, let it go."_ Pity that Ford, who prided himself as being mentor to younger, up and coming actors, earlier in his career, didn't listen to an iconic, older actor.
I am glad my parents raised me with the same movies they watched as kids. Let’s me appreciate a time when we had some good cinema, Not all of it was good, but man did we have some jewels back in the day.
Interesting what you said about Indie not working in the 1960s. I could never get my head around Poirot being brought up to the present (as he was in the books) because his brand of elegance just wouldn't work in the second half of the 20th century. The TV series decision to keep him in the years around WWII was inspired. Some heroes are inextricably tied to the period in which they were spawned. Even though Indie was created in the early 1980s, the mindset of Spielberg and Lucas was very much wrapped up in the pulp heroes who were their inspiration. And, mercifully, political correctness was still regarded as a bit of a joke in the 1980s so no one minded that the films ignored it.
It's not just a problem with them killing old franchises, but also the people they employ are doing it intentionally. You can't keep these people around. They're not trustworthy. They're not talented. That's probably why video game movies are gonna be the next 'big thing' because they're largely untapped and basic as hell when it comes to stories/storytelling; anything that deviates from the bog standard is going to be too obvious and get rejected just as hard.
The real sequels to the Indy trilogy were the first two Mummy movies and they were worthy. They captured that spirit of adventure crossed with archaeology and mythology in fun exciting films which correctly balanced humour and action. If you are going to continue an established, popular line of entertainment like this you have to carefully study the formula at the very least.
You know, this reminds me of that old t.v. show SLIDERS. Great concept. Great acting. Great writing. It would have gone on for years if it hadn’t been for the replacing of characters one by one until none of the original cast was left. The show ended up falling off a cliff into obscurity. Hollywood should remember their past and learn from it. It didn’t work than, it won’t work now.
Actually Rembrandt Brown who was one of the original Sliders made it all the way through to the end of the final season. At least that's what I read somewhere as I gave up after season 4, I think. And no offense meant to the actor but the Cryin' Man was my least favourite character. He started out irritating and got worse as the series progressed. I accept they needed a normal everyman character to have all the science exposition explanations but that was all he really was there for (granted it's been years since I watched the show, maybe I am doing him an injustice)
Anyone else get the feeling that all the decision-makers in any endeavor are just kind of making it up as they go along, hoping it will all just turn out right in the end?
With even an ounce of creativity, they could have Indy as a mentor, helping to solve the riddles, downplay the dangerous situations he is sending his protégé into, be the "damsel in distress" to be rescued because he can no longer fight off the assasins or kidnappers.
@@O1OO1O1 They had the surviving Ghostbusters show up at the end of Afterlife. I know Ghostbusters is a brand and Indiana Jones is a person but it's kinda similar. Have Indy go missing like his dad did in Last Crusade and new character or characters find him and let adventure commense.
@@carlsiouxfalls why are those new characters there? Films tell character stories. They need a reason to exist. They would have to make a film after Indy 3, and it would have to be good. Then do the Indy 3 role reversal for Indy 5 or 6
@@O1OO1O1 The characters' existence would need to be justified in the movie - just like any other movie. Perhaps it's the first day of the new semester (he's a teacher, remember), but he doesn't show up for class. There's only 3 students in it, who go to his campus office and find a clue as to where he might be which sets up the plot and gets the movie going.
@@carlsiouxfalls yeah, but it's hard to do that in one film. I like the premise, but it should have been his son. That would have been a much better way to continue his story. Make a movie. He's getting old. Surprise son. Then a second one, where he had to be saved. Maybe it could be one film. But you need that development for the quest to save him to work.
2049 is the best way to carry over into a new franchise, when they shoehorn the younger characters in the original universe it comes off as unauthentic and forced, but following this new character from the jump with a touch of Indi at the end as a cameo or ancillary role would work as it’s own property and bridge the gap with the fans of the original franchise
Remember Harry Enfield’s show? He and Paul Whitehouse did a pair of characters called The Self Righteous Brothers, who would get all worked up and indignant about imagined affronts that have not even occurred, but they seem unable to tell the difference between their own imagined, “If’s,” and reality.
I don’t know what Shia LaBeuf did or said, but I really liked him. He had good comedic timing, and acting skills. He should’ve been given the hat in KOTCS, and we should be on the second or third installment of Indy Jr., IMHO.
First of all: #Doomcockwasright ;-) Anyway, with the Crystal Skull; one thing that bothered me a LOT was that they CONTINUOUSLY needed to mention that he was so old. Now he's even a lot older, of course this will be his last Indiana Jones movie, but it at Crystal Skull they already thought he was a fossil himself, they indeed should have ended it there. Who should be the next Indy? Dunno. Henry Cavill maybe? :P
I liked crystal scull but the next movie should have been his son (even if recast) going on adventures. Indy could still be in the movie as his teacher/advisor.
"When a shareholder says, 'can we make some bloody money please' things will improve and not until then" According to Bloomberg, Kenneth Simeone, an investor in Disney, filed a lawsuit in Delaware Chancery Court against Disney (Kenneth Simeone v. The Walt Disney Co., No. 2022-1120, Delaware Chancery Court (Wilmington).
“Entertainment is privilege” - that’s the way they see it - well said Az. I just wish they’d leave the old stuff alone. They need to stop trying to erase and overwrite our entertainment for woke apologetic ESG nonsense. I ignore it all. The Drinker is right. We are in a post creative age. Sad.
I remember 10 years ago when there was rumors of a Farscape revival I was so excited at the prospect. Now I'm horrified. For the love God, leave Farscape the frell alone...!
And to add to what Little Platoon said about the passing for the torch... It isn't just that the person they're passing it off to is insufferable, it's that they're unproven as well. We followed this character around for three different adventures over the span of years and suddenly he has a son we never met before. It would have been better if it was someone we knew, that had been along and we actually watched develop a little bit.
Platoon…your comments on easy moneys are spot on, great discussion, summary of a very important point about profits. Explains a lot about respect for audience and characters. You need neither when max. profits are not primary driver of an industry. Increase interest rates, cost of capital, breakeven and have a recession and maybe, maybe, hopefully we will see a return to good story telling.
"Increase interest rates, cost of capital, breakeven and have a recession and maybe, maybe, hopefully we will see a return to good story telling." We tried that in 2008 just to find out that the best fiction writers will always be high-functioning people who still have their inner child. No committee of politically correct writers will have the same vision capable of producing the next timeless classic. We could have had an Indiana Jones/James Bond crossover where they search for Excalibur because it was stolen by Russian Nazis trying to destroy the world because all sides hate them. Instead we get Indiana Jane and she's not even hot.
As someone who’s favorite movies as a child were the OG Indie movies, I can’t wait for this to fail. It breaks my heart that this the industry has turned against me and the audience so intensely that they have me rooting for the failure of Indie.
No one wants this movie. Indiana Jones is a beloved series that holds fond memories for so many, and to see it be dragged through the mud is painful. This is going to flop. Badly.
Phoebe Wallace is the kind of woman to look at a script and say "Yeah this is good, but you know what would make it better? If I had a major role in it"
I’m actually old enough/young enough to remember REALLY ENJOYING the tv series “Young Indians Jones.” From what I remember it was really well done and intriguing, geared towards younger audiences with enough homage to the original. Perfect, no, but it had good moments. I’d hate to see them do something like that now, but it might be better than belittling and killing him off.
Yeap, me too. I loved those as a kid too. They gave kids little lessons about history. Carrie Fisher even wrote the WWI Mata Hari episode. Indy mentions in Crystal Skull he served in Africa in the Belgian Army and rode with Pacho Villa as a kid. One legit smile that movie gave me for sure.
The Last Crusade was the final, PROPER send-off for Indy. He made up with his father, had a grand adventure with him, and helped him achieve his lifelong goal. Job done, leave it alone, everything after that has just been a cashgrab.
Not to mention everyone literally rode off into the sunset at the end of Last Crusade.
Hollywood, cash grab? I don't believe you!
Sean Connery and Harrison Ford made for a great interaction. It was such a fun movie.
I like the Crystal skull I just think they should have shot on location like the other three movies so the backgrounds of the fake areas wouldn't look so fake.
But this Crystal's coal was faithful to the original Three. Some people said that the action was over the top but if you look at the other movies there's quite a few scenes that was over the top as well.
Remember in the Temple of Doom and they flew out the airplane with the air filled boat and survived?
Be careful dressing up the past before you forget the cracks.
But yeah I think they should have stopped it with 4.
@@darthdiculous6511 the 'world' of Indiana Jones can survive without Harrison Ford, if you stick to the formula. It's basically an homage to the old pulp fantasy adventure serials of the 1930s, which are to this day great fun if you just accept it's all a fantasy
Indy 4 failed utterly because it didn't keep that feel. Indy 5.... yeah, it'll fail for the same reason and any attempt at a reboot is DOA because Lucasfilm doesn't understand that you cannot do this kind of movie with 'modern sensibilities'
Regarding Back to the Future, Robert Zemickis owns the rights to the entire franchise and has gone on record saying he will block all attempts to do further sequels, reboots or prequels precisely because he doesn't want to see it ruined like so many other franchises. So that's a relief.
Good to hear, i dont even want to imagine how Back in the future 2022 would look like. Marty and Doc had that special chemistry, just like Harrison Ford had with Sean Connery in Indy 3.
If it’s going to happen, it will be once Zemickis is gone and his heirs want a payday
Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale have indeed both stated that they will continue to block the studio from remaking Back to the Future, but they're both in their 70s. Once they pass on, you can bet your bottom dollar that the studio will remake the movie. It's inevitable.
@@993mike Thats what I was thinking I wish him a long and healthy life. :)
To be honest, the Telltale BTTF game from 2008 is a surprisingly decent continuation, and comics written by Bob Gale (the Biff one, at least) are pretty good, too
Giving Indiana Jones more sequels and reshoots are simply elderly abuse.
So is the x men.
At this point this is more like Necrophilia
Also fan abuse
Lets go Harrison!
Seriously though, something needs done about this sort of thing, bruce willis , stan lee, all kinda abused in their old age for profit...stan lee appear to have been very much so.
It is so sad that River Phoenix is no longer with us. In one of the original Indiana films he played the young Indiana and I thought he absolutely nailed Harrison Fords mannerisms and character.
Someone said Chris Pratt could do it. Idk if he'd be good but he certainly would look the role.
@@josephrupsis4623I’m sick of seeing that guy.
Yeah, it’s a shame someone with true talent like Phoenix is not around. He made an awesome Indy
That would have been AMAZING.
He even got the "Uh-oh!" gulp that Ford does absolutely perfect.
The only thing that didn't work, was that truly awful haircut he had,like it was kinda funny at how terrible it was!
oh right he did play young Indy, when he was in boy scouts or whatever. dang i havent seen the movies in such a long time, just got smacked in the face with nostalgia.
"It's going to destroy the legacy of the character..." and that is exactly the point! These characters from the past, Indy, Skywalker, ect, they are part of our history -- a time when we were young and impressionable. In a sense, these on-screen characters are a part our roots. Which is exactly why 'they' are working so hard to kill them.
You kill the roots, you kill the tree.
(etc)...
Disney is commendable, they manage to alienate the original audience for their franchises while at the same time failing to captivate different audiences that they’re aiming to please.
I wonder who’s making those decisions, because they clearly seem to know something I don’t.
It’s Dutch-door action.
you forget, disney have done it before and will probly do it agian.
Actually, it appears to be _YOU_ know something _THEY_ do not know...🙄
They don't care and thats it. The money doesn't matter, only the message and indoctrination
"I wonder who’s making those decisions"
Probably some diversity hire with little real talent.
If only we could reshoot the last ten years of cinema!
Someone should get on that idea pronto
when in decades to come the last 10 years and probably next 5-8 years will be studied and compared to all cinematic history it will considered the darkest time in movies
I agree with this bar Joker
@@tommyboman7735 20 years ago we got Lord of the Rings. In 2000s we got Dark Knight, Spider-Man, Casino Royale, Chronicles of Narnia, Harry Potter, Iron Man, Revenge of the Sith, Avatar, Watchmen, Born trilogy, best Pixar movies.
@@tommyboman7735 21 years and make sure to screw over harry potter for the woketards.
I remember an interview with Harrison Ford back in 1981 when he said, at the time he was around 38, I think, "I need to do these movies now because I'm going to be too old to do them." In his late 30's. Over 40 years ago.
He's literally joining the MCU at 80 years old!!!
Harrison Ford, to me, sounds like a self aware and knowledgeable guy and I admire that.
@@RSG_TheMonster Money smells good...
Money is appealing, and CGI has gotten decent in the deaging process.
It just warms my heart to know they're all working so hard with reshoots and pushing back the release to "win over" an audience that is still going to reject it, mock it, meme it and just straight up trash it because it's still going to be badly written woke crap.
What audiences?
99% of people don't want the crap
So who exactly are studios making this woke crap for ?
You really hit the nail on the head that Indy doesn't appeal to anyone born later than GenXers. Their heroes aren't badasses and have righteous morals; they're influencers and politicians who step all over each other to get to the top. This generation wouldn't understand why "It belongs in a museum" is such an important line because they don't care about preserving and learning from the past. They just don't care.
They'll just modernize it - "It belongs, on TikTok" as New Indy proceeds to use said historical artifact in a viral video for clout chasing purposes and promoting a new crypto/NFT. lol
Either way I’m not watching it
If it’s got Kathleen Kennedy behind it then I’m not interested
Yep.
Kiss of death for any interest I might have.
Same
She was behind the original films, that’s where she started!
@@roryswift7995 She was a peon working under competent men in the old movies big difference.
I'm sure KK is fine at fetching coffee for truly creative men, but I haven't seen any sign she can take over for them.
This movie doesn't star Harrison Ford, it stars Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Ford is just there to draw people in to see Waller-Bridge as the new Indiana.
Why Phoebe Waller-Bridge has a career escapes me. Oh wait, she's the daughter of very wealthy, well-connected parents. Now I remember.
Thank you for solving that mystery for me, her career has always been a bit of an anomaly to me.
Harrison Ford hated being Han Solo and didn’t want to come back for the Star Wars sequels. It makes me wonder what keeps drawing him to these Indy sequels?
@@timboslice9905 Good question, he is willling to kill his two icon male heros without a problem as it seems (cause its not 100% at this point in Indy)
@@timboslice9905 He's the right age. Did a interview years ago, but those are the type of adventure movies Hollywood was making in his childhood. Tons of them in the 50s. Some of them got the ultra big budget Roadshow treatment. Really huge action adventures. They went out of style a bit in the 60s and 70s, and he got to reinvent and redefine them in the 80s. A mostly dead genre from his childhood.
@@timboslice9905 Ford hated Solo because Solo was not the "star" - Luke was. If you pay attention, Han Solo was the comic-relief, the awkward guy who wants everyone to _think_ he's a badass...
Indiana Jones should have ended at The Last Crusade. In Crystal Skull, Indy basically went around the whole movie saying, "I'm too old for this sh!t." The message I got, from someone who loved Indy my whole life, was "you're old now, too." That was 14 frickin' years ago! Lucasfilm is doing Indy 5 because they have absolutely NO new ideas. That goes for most of Hollywood, as well.
No, you recast the film with a younger actor, as they've done with James Bond. The reason they won't do that is because woke Hollywood doesn't want another "hetero white male franchise" so instead, they're exploiting Ford to shoehorn in Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who cannot possibly carry a film on her own.
What are you talkin' about? It did end with The Last Crusade. What's this Crystal Skull? lol
They honestly would have been better off just rebooting using the idea... "PWB and the Crystal helmet of doom" or something, it'd still probably flop but it has no need to abuse the legacy of Indy.
Karl Frederickson was the only geriatric action hero that worked on the screen, and that only worked because he was only a cartoon and the team at Pixar knew how to make it work. The people who are doing the Indiana Jones movies just seem to think that sticking an elderly Harrison Ford in front of the camera will carry people back to the original excitement. NO. It's a depressing reminder that he's an old guy who is gonna die soon.
Next up: Harry Potter and the PTA meeting.
Indy did end with The Last Crusade, everything else is poorly made ANTI-fan fiction and we are not required to acknowledge it.
'The death of fun.' Perfectly expressed, Drinker.
It's a shame that River Pheonix ended up the way he did, I loved him as young Indy in the last crusade; he should have been the successor, if there was to be one.
I’d have even accepted Shia as the replacement!
@@clogs4956 I’ll take anything besides Phoebe Waller Bridge
@@clogs4956 He did play as Indy's kid, it would make more sense if it was him.
Me too. He fell in with the wrong crowd when he should have continued living a simple life in the Gainesville, Florida area.
He'd be in his late 50s now. A little too old to helm the IJ franchise.
It's funny how Phoebe can influence the script on Indiana Jones movies while a true fan like Henry Cavil can't give any input on his projects. Female privilege.
You are right sir. We live in a female/minority supremacy. All of the protected species have power.
Very true, although I think normal everyday non city dwelling non woke females still appretiate classic movies etc and don't want them touched and destroyed. That Pheobe is a London Wokee...not your average female. I want them to have left LotR, Star Wars, Indie, Ghost Busters, classic Disney tales etc alone. They don't have the intelligence, creativity or taste to make good movies anymore ( there are some very rare exceptions). Movies to them are not about enjoyment, entertainment or escapism. It's sad. Men have made the best movies known to mankind.
Not female privilege, just the privilege conferred by having a very, very rich family.
Eh. I still find the whole thing funny, and every new manifestation of The Message makes me laugh harder.
It’s the patriarchy, obviously. Wait, what?
These "modern" reboots are always a vehicle for the message. As an 80s kid that grew up with Indy, I won't be bothering and I went to watch crystal skull at the cinema
You went for Crystal Skull because you loved the original trilogy. Now that the faith has been broken, no wonder there will be millions like you who won't bother watching this one
100%, even without the PWB rumors swirling I wasn't going to see any new Indy movie after the Crystal Skull debacle. I saw it once in the theater, that was enough.
Hell that opening scene alone in that one was just fucking terrible.
Wow, you’re so brave
No he is informing any fence sitters here to stop financing your sides myths and propaganda through a follow me approach.
Babyface raised a very important point that the studios don’t appear to understand: actors are not interchangeable parts. Great actors can’t be replaced by any clod.
Yup, this applies across the entire spectrum. You can't pick out just anybody to be the lead in a film like Bloodsport, nor can you just have anyone play the role of the General in The Rock, the same as you can't have anyone don a fedora and call them Indiana Jones.
And his example of Peter Faulk as Columbo, is deadly accurate. There are some characters you simply CANNOT replace. Belushi as Bluto, is another example of the studios trying to replicate his comedic genius, with some obese no-name actor as his cousin in that short lived Animal House tv spin off called ‘Delta House’.
@Jim Williams You all seem completely confused by this simple fact: They don't give a shet about anything except money.
Try replacing Peter North...
Such as Henry Cavill being replaced by Liam Hemsworth?
Nice analogy with Columbo! There isn’t any person on earth who could’ve replaced him…..ever. Also, the writing in that series, will never be replaced either? Masterclass murder/mystery writing.
Kevin Pollak.
Never watch Columbo with a modern eye; I've never seen him solve a case that wouldn't be tossed out of court in thirty seconds due to things that would today be considered tampering with evidence. "Murder, She Wrote" is the same - "Sure, we'll let you contaminate the scene and handle evidence without gloves because you're a famous fiction writer."
for me, Indy ended by riding off into the sunset with his dad
I remember having to sit through Crystal Skull and being a Dad myself, I noticed a lot of kids who would have been my age when I saw "Raiders" in 1981, were seemingly unimpressed and I thought to myself "Its a shame these kids never got to see the movie I saw in 1981!" As a movie critic in Empire said of Crystal Skull, "The Last Crusade immortalised Indy, it should have been left that way!" How fucking true!!
👍👍👍. I agree so much with you. I was born in 2001 and now I’m 21 now and I relate to this very well.
@Chase Hedges67 I was born '76 and Raiders was my first ever cinema experience and Jaws was the first film I'd ever seen on video! Both films are my all time favourites and growing up in the 80's, I saw all three Indy movies, Gremlins, Back to the Future, Explorers, Star Trek 4: the Voyage Home, Twins, The Goonies, Return of the Jefi, it was an awesome time. One of the greatest times to be a kid. Now, it's an absolute shit show! Stick with independent movies and may I suggest delving into 70's, 80's and 90's cinema! The last time I was at the cinema was with my son and that was ages ago! Event movies don't really happen anymore! I remember going to see Terminator 2 back in '91 and the queue was wrapped around the block, I remember the whole cinema cheering as the T-800 rebooted. Something you just don't see anymore!! I'm glad that younger people like yourself see this shit happening and recognise it! There will be a turning of the tide (hopefully) and we can get some old school cinema back! Until then, get some beers and check out some classics from back in the day!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🤘🤘🤘🤘
You don't show them Crystal Skull as their first Indy film? That's a crime! Like showing SW 7 instead of 4.
Yeah, Last Crusade was THE ending. Pretty much perfect in my mind, with how Indy and his father never got along but reconciled as the movie progressed, then after saving the world they rode off into the Sunset together. There is literally NO reason to ever need to make more Indy movies after that.
@@shaunpenne1840 I agree with you 100%!
How can anything with Kennedy and Waller-Bridge involved _not_ be doomed?!
Indiana Jones and the Studio of Doom
That's so true
Every thing they touch has the be jammed full of woke and identity politics
And that went so well in starwars, shehulk and Amazon ring of power billion dollar belly flop
So well done
@@waynehewett4017
At least they are almost through with humiliating and ruining all the great male childhood heroes, there are not much left...
Maybe when they have destroyed everything we love they will move on and concentrate on other nice things to ruin and we can build back an entertainment industry in secret.
@@Ricardo-cl3vs I agree Kathleen Kennedy and her flying monkey's did exactly that in all the past starwars movies
Then you have shehulk and rings of power etc
It doesn't make sense to make movies and shows for only 2% of fans and disregard the rest
Disney for example with its predatory behaviour and actions towards young children
Yet avatar 2 has made over a billion bucks so far
I wonder how many parents know they are supporting Disney?
What's next introducing porn hub and red tube into Disney's children's programs on Disney plus?
I recommend you check out the UA-cam channel DUST It's short films made by independent film artists
Others like CGI brothers and Asima have good films as well
Or studio Gibily animated films
We do have a choice to boycott the woke and identity politics
But using our wallets
@@waynehewett4017
Exactly!
Well, there is the occasional light at the end of the tunnel, like the John Wick franchise that has none of the woke stuff (yet) or Tom Cruise movies who also stay clear of it. I haven't seen "Top Gun: Maverick" yet and will watch it tonight with my wife. Must be good from what I've heard. I have watched "Bullet Train" yesterday evening and it's a great, slightly absurd, dark comedy with pitch black humor, just my thing. Highly recommended!
Thanks, I will have a look into it. Stay strong, bro!
"They're gonna get back to the future, eventually"
I got chills on that statement, a cold sweat.
Don't worry, the current rights holders of BTTF - I think it might be Zemeckis himself - has gone on record saying they will never sell them and never allow anyone to do anything with it for the precise reason of preventing the franchise from being spoiled.
Over Robert Zemeckis' cold dead hands, apparently.
Don't worry.
Narnia is next.
@@thuglifebear5256 "that can be arranged"-Hollywood probably
Great Scot!
Crystal Skull came out my graduation weekend, when I got my BA in Anthro/Archaeology. I went to see it to a packed house with my mom and my aunt...as soon as the aliens showed up they started balling. I'm still shook
5:08
My friend made the silver lining comment about this part of Solo that made me more accepting of the retroactive inserting of L3-37 into the Millennium Falcon's computer systems:
"For someone so uptight about droid rights and nagging Lando about her independence, her ultimate fate was the fitting irony that she would forever serve as a ghost in the shell of the Millennium Falcon".
Yeah, but the problem is with her in the Millennium Falcon’s computer it takes away any flying skills that Han Solo had.
Everybody knows when you have multiple writers and editors. Plus you're doing reshoots up until release. It's the sign of a quality product.
Yeah. Like to do a small reshoot of 1 or 2 scenes based on the test screening to make it appeal to a broader audience is one thing... but what you hear here (and from Lucasfilm in general) is that they have no fucking clue how to even write a story and have to change it so many times that it becomes a bungled mess compared to even the original plan. And the politics.... 'the future is female'.... no it's not, the future is in the toilet coz feminism destroyed family units and even the ability for most millennials/gen z women to even date! You need offspring for a future, and daddy government can't provide that for you. So maybe get off that high morality horse before you fall off.
So middle of the road everyone will enjoy LOL.
Your sentence building skills are very poor.
@@PepeSilvia01 But the sarcasm skill is top notch.
@@PepeSilvia01 Or maybe English isn't his first language.
I don't want to see Indiana Jones die, whether they replace him or not, I just don't. In the same way I don't go to my high school reunion hoping to watch my old classmates die in front of me. After the third film, he lived happily ever after, same as in Star Wars etc. Remember when Cinderella lived happily ever after, and then 20 years later someone jammed a light saber through her? Me neither. It does not help the story.
You're thinking about the original Final Fantasy VII...
I watch these movies as completely detatched from the originals. I'll probably see them just out of curiosity. I got time
@@rageracerriley9590 I'm playing the Final Fantasy VII remake now after 25 years. Would like to see a remake of FF VIII as well.
This movie is going to make Crystal Skull look Shakespearean
my grandfather is Arapahoe. I rarely identify as native as I'm only 1/4 and grew up in suburbia.
known very few 1st nations people who get bent out of shape at being called Indian. they will often spell it NDN in order to differentiate from actual India Indians but it's a more or less accepted term at least among many of the mountain and plains regions groups I have spent time with. it's mostly just annoying when 'well meaning' wyt people refer to the native peoples as if they were all 1 people with 1 lifestyle....my wife's aunt is this real life aging hippie who still regularly tries to tell me what native Americans belived...usually something she saw in a hippie magazine that didn't differentiate
I always love messing with those well meaning fools. I've got a touch of Abenaki in my family; I don't even think there are more than a thousand 100% left in the world. These folks will talk about their fishing and use of nets and long houses and all that and pretend (or believe!) that they were all sweet and peaceful...
And then I get to ruin their day by telling them how the Abenaki used to hunt the Onieda like deer... for sport... like a thing you just do on a Saturday.
It's fun watching them bluster while their sweet little notions fall to pieces. Heck, they're pretty sure the Native Americans drove the Scandinavians (Vikings) out of Newfoundland... by slowly killing them off in a war of attrition.
I figured it out. Look at who is writing, directing, producing, consulting. You got KK and Patty and Phoebe, etc. These are women who are all tied to legacy franchises that absolutely don't understand and don't care about the stories that were created, they just wanted to be a part of the social event. What they care about is their social justice nonsense and they seem to think the target audience is other 40-60 year old women like them that were apparently left out as kids because of boys. Surely there's millions of women just like them that just wanted to be a part of these things right? The answer is no. We were all kids once. How many times did the girls at your school turn their noses up at the movies you watched or games you were interested in? I can count on both hands the amount of girls I've known that actually liked a lot of this stuff vs. the ones that were forced to play with the boys or go watch their movies because there were no other girls around. Rare was the occurence actual interest rather than that girl feeling left out. The KK audience, doesn't exist.
The only way an old HF Indy would have worked in a new movie is if his son/replacement went to him for advise, not as a whipping post. And not dragging him around for the ride Weekend at Bernie's style.
He should okay the role his father played in 3. But to do that, they had to make Crystal Skull good
Let's put Phoebe Waller Bridge in Star Wars, and Indiana Jones, and let her write James Bond.
What could possibly go wrong?
They are desperately trying to make her a 'thing'. Like Freckle Jesus. But trying to force it just revolts people.
It’s all about who takes a trip down the casting carpet
Kathleen Kennedy = Harvey Weinstein
Well Bond took $775M at the global box office. During a global pandemic. Solo didn’t fail because of her relatively small screen time - it failed because it wasn’t a good film, which was nothing to do with her. Killing Eve was a big success - 4 seasons and high ratings. She’s actually a very good actress, if you’ve ever watched Fleabag. So are you just another nasty little misogynist?
What could possibly go right?
@@GingerPiston Nice try ( I like the misogynist jab.. very on brand )
Bond is the only one you could make an argument about because of Killing Eve, but NTTD was most certainly controversial to say the least.
Solo was the first SW movie to bomb at the box office, she was either in it, or she wasn't.
Now, regardless of box office anything the real point was... what about Fleabag screams that she is perfect to jump onboard all these blockbuster action franchises? Literally Star Wars, Indiana Jones and James Bond.
I'll answer it for you... nothing.
However she does appease those who like to respond to every problem with screams of " misogynist!!! ".
Congratulations, you have not only missed the point, you have demonstrated the problem.
The Last Crusade was the perfect ending to Indy's story. I wish they hadn't tarnished his legacy with these sh*tty, cynical, cash-grab sequels.
Sean Connery played the elderly father in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade he was 58 years old at the time.
Harrison Ford is 80.
The only reason for him to be in another Indy film is a bit role to pass the torch to his grandchild.
i never understood why they didn't use short round to continue the franchise. he admired indy so much, he could've followed in his footsteps as an archaeologist, and would have been believable to swap out for an adult if the same actor wasn't available - kids' faces change as they grow, it would have been easy to accept. indy could've disappeared on one of his adventures and boom! here comes short round searching for his mentor. you'd have older harrison only appear at the beginning and end. short round was smart, funny, competent, independent...it writes itself.
Because at Lucasfilm the future is Female. Unfortunately.
@@JamesRDavenport you're not wrong, from their perspective. i find that concept utterly contemptible.
Nah, Hollywood doesn’t like Asians.
Asian men don't get main roles in Hollywood unless it's for a martial arts film.
@@MK_ULTRA420 until they win an Oscar for representation
_"Is this movie doomed?"_
God, I hope so.
Why?
Since I am not an "Indy" fan, I don't care if he fails
@The Rotten💯 She's produced a fair few bona-fide classics over the last 40 years. So if Indy 5 is successful you'll be sad? Is it because you listen to the like of Heels and Critical and that's how you form opinions?
@The Rotten💯 I like how, all of a sudden, it's the producer's fault when it comes to the sequel trilogy. Even though the lack of planning and foresight can be levelled squarely at JJ.
He's even boasted about his 'mystery boxes' and how they don't have to amount to anything. He's the one who kickstarted the sequels with absolutely zero destination and yet Kennedy gets the flack.
The battle lines are being drawn.i just want my entertainment to serve my likes and fantasies.i don't need to even humor THE other.just choose your side and stay there
I can just imagine a Back to the Future reboot... Marty 2 is a smart girl who fixes in 5 minutes Doc Brown's failed experiments of a life time. The minute Marty 2 is distracted from her constant guiding of the doddering old doc, he gets into trouble because he thinks he's actually brilliant and Marty 2 has to rescue the poor old man while comedically going out of her way him think he's actually in charge. All the lengths Marty 2 has to go through to save the day while keeping senile ol' Doc Brown in his fantasy world where he invented time travel and is the one in charge will make an amazing action comedy reboot.
Brrr!
And that 'Marty 2' will still have a Girlfriend, of course.
This might actually be good....if it could be done by Mel Brookes. His parody stuff is great.
But when have we ever seen a good movie with gyno-comedy?
Anyone???
So accurate though lmao
You forgot the part where 'Doc' Brown will be played by Jodie Whittaker.
The composer is the last person involved in a movie so if they’re bringing Williams back it means they were completely done before they decided to redo the ending. I’m taking this as hard proof Doomcock’s ending was true
Like the Alex jones was right jar, the doomcock was right jar is filling up.
What is the 'Doomcock' ending?
@@ytsm Old Indy and Bridge's character travel back in time, meet young Indy, young Indy gets killed, old Indy fades away and Bridge's character now has all the adventures Indy had.
Indy is not just replaced, but written out of his own story.
Doomcock leaked the rumour about that ending over a year ago. After it was clear that this would not fly they delayed the movie for a year for reshoots. Recently it got out that they now have 5 or 6 endings. Testscreenings clocked the ending the test audience as liked the best at 34% approval.
From the rumours they didn't stray much from the ending they had and now they are back for more reshoots and maybe re-cut the movie.
@@ytsm Indy and the woman go back in time and erase Indy from history and she replaces him and goes in his adventures herself
@@erroneous6947
Poor guy needed some Ws after the Kennedy saga.
I had a cousin that had a bull whip when i was a kid. We used to go around trying to wrap it around tree branches and swing pretending to be indiana Jones. It's a real shame what the last movie did to Indy
Indie 5 is going to make Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull a classic!
It worked for the starwars prequels
@@onlinealiasuk I knew Crystal Skull can't reach the level of the original so I wasn't disappointed. I like it for what it is: a pretty good fanfic.
Indiana Jones 5: The Direction of Doom
Can't wait to hear drinkers review so I won't have to go see it :)
Yeah, its sad, but that seems to be the best option.
I genuinely don't want to watch Indy being ruined.
That's my approach to almost all modern movies. :D
I can't wait to hear his following catchphrases:
"Oh, for fuck sake"
"Why? Don't know!"
"Nah, it'll be fine"
"Fuck off, film"
"Uh, sure, I guess"
Let's not forget the clips that he will use:
Tony Starks "Not a great plan"
J.Jonah Jamesons laugh (probably including the "You serious?" part)
Chewin' The Fats "I think I can smell shite" clips
That blood curdling scream
@@KRS2000 sounds like classic drinker to me
@SuperRambo111 Thats what I'm hoping for 😁
A good story is all you need, unfortunately they don't employ good writers anymore, it's all just content
Jammed full of woke and identity politics
Nothing else matters just getting the message out there
No matter what the cost
well, i think at this point reshoots are the only thing that might barely save this film. i have still a little hope left because so far James Mangold never made a really bad movie. but like you've said, having PWB attached to it, seems like a permanent kiss of death.
greetings from germany :)
3:29 Crystal Skull wisely denied itself passing the torch right at the end, when Indy's hat blows off in the wind and Mutt goes to retrieve it, only for Indy to take it out of his hands. The wedding itself was the sendoff to all of these characters. Mutt doesn't have to step into his father's footsteeps, either.
I was born in 2000 and Indiana Jones was definitely part of my childhood.
Same. My little brother was born in 2002 and Indiana Jones was is fucking idol
2001
I was born in 2001 and I agree
they remastered/re-released Indy movies, (and star wars) around that time (late 90s)
2001 as well
My fear is that the writers will take the propensity of the character to smirk, fumble and stumble, take a shot to the face and look goofy, do that thing where he furrows his brow and points a finger angrily at someone and make that a woke punchline where he gets his comeuppance and not just a naturally occurring feature of the character. It would be easy for them to put Indiana Jones in the "henpecked husband" or "manchild" trope, denigrating the character to push "the message."
I thought Harrison Ford was way too old in the last Indy movie, nevermind now!
He looked like he was in his 50s.
Never too old for Arthritis
Crystal Skull was stretching my believability in Harrison Ford to play Indy almost to the breaking point, but this new movie…SNAP!
Brendan Fraser could have played him after HG before his health went to crap and all those surgeries, and everything else he was saddled with.
I love Indy, but let the role pass to someone who could convincingly play him in his mid to late twenties, fresh out of college, set it before ToD, there’s been quite a few Indy novels written, they could adapt a couple of those.
@@ajclements4627 Or, you know, make a new swashbuckling action character that isn't Indiana Jones.
It's hilarious how AZ shuts down when Lil platoon starts talking. Not because he dislikes Platoon, no no, but because platoon makes such logical arguments about the state of films and what they mean to studios/people. It just kills Az 🤣
"It's still a business" is a double-edged sword. At some point, companies that consider themselves to be in the entertainment business have to consider the costs of diluting their properties in order to sell themselves to an audience that doesn't actually buy streaming subscriptions or opening-night tickets. But at the same time, if Disney comes knocking at the door of a director or an actor (Mangold, Raimi, Hamill, Ford...) it's awful hard to say no to a significant paycheck and an opportunity to stay in the public consciousness a little longer. Even if the job might be dreck.
Who watches The Last Crusade, then watches Fleabag, and then thinks:
“Yeah this actress would be good in a new film in this world”
Cucks on Twitter.
Is Fleabag even popular or is it a case of nepotism?
@@scribbles1424 Popular or not Fleabag is fucking great
@@Bloodynine606 next you're gonna say she was amazing in Solo.
@@scribbles1424 Nepotism and Fleabag should be called Shitbag
Sucks because the setting of ancient Greece seems interesting and the device that the artifact in this movie takes inspiration from is truly an amazing feat of engineering 1500+ years ahead of it's time and would love to see a well done story around it but this project from many respects seems to be destined to fail.
Indian Jones 5: Harrison Ford and the Last Crusade for the paycheck.
The quest for more money.
The rehash of doom
The Journey of Desperation
When Indy said “Why are you here ?”
and she said “I’m here to rescue you !”
I was like “Oh no….”
I know people don't like Crystal Skull, but man that movie is sounding really good right about now when hearing the synopsis of indie 5
Indi 5
Makes crystal skull look like golden globe award winning
Do you think indi 5 will even beat shehulk for the worst product ever
Tho willow ,rings of power ,little mermaid, woman King and black panter 2 would be neck and neck for first prize
Crystal Skull was at least a good faith attempt by the original creative team, even if it was a meh story. (And gave me personally the ending for Indy and Marion I wanted to see.)
But this new proganda piece is absolutely Assassination of a character.
@@JamesRDavenport I agree it did give them a good send off and the should have been it dead
But of coarse Disney is desperate to squeeze out any dollars it can with the billions of dollars it bleeding out
We only need to look a willow and strange world to know what Kathleen Kennedy has done with indi5
It amazes me how that narcissistic scum bag of a woman still has a job After she ran starwars into the mud
It's like the terminator franchise. T3 got panned when it first came out but now seems like a masterpiece considering what came later like genesis.
Remember when the writers of South Park portrayed Indy 4 getting raped on a pinball machine? That was a cathartic episode because it was how we all felt, and they finally showed it. Indy 5 is going to be so much worse than that.
Oh man, Platoons little monologue about profit leaving studios the last ten years really turned my head around. What an idea.
Heelvs makes an outstanding comparison between Indie and Solo. Let's not forget that Solo: A Starwars Story was an abject failure to the point that Disney and Lucas's films stopped making all these Starwars movies. They instead went with streaming. The idea was to be like Marvel and pump out 2-3 Star Wars movies per year. That didn't happen.
Still haven't seen Solo and wont . I think that was around the time when I decided I was done with Star Wars
@@laurarules3642 Solo was so mediocre
@@laurarules3642 I stopped at the Last Jedi. What they did to Luke was CRIMINAL and I will never forgive them.
Twenty years ago, if someone told me a series for [x franchise] was in the works, or a studio was working on resurrecting an older or cancelled property, I'd have been excited.
Now, these announcements fill me with a nameless dread.
Exactly the same thoughts Drinker. How has PWB become an actress off the back of a writing career? Boggles the mind.
That is so goddamn true about Columbo. Falk was the man and I cringe at the thought that they are going to try to remake it someday- probably soon.
Jimmy Kimmel would make a good columbo, or maybe that Matt la blanc guy
That's exactly why the Kojak and Shaft tv series both failed and fell into obscurity.
Same with Magnum P.I.
Pass the torch to Short Round! Have Short Round and Shia on an adventure together. Indy can be the Sean Connery character.
South Park nailed it. Watch the Indiana Jones clip.
I think Indiana gets nailed in that one : )
@@dudenotsoperfect9366 exactly
@@barry3045 love it! Thank you. Forgot about it. Gonna watch the episode. Its already better then 50 % of all Indiana movies made.
I was born in 2000 and watched the original trilogy with my father. Indiana Jones and the Lord of the rings and Star wars are the movies I watched with him when I was younger. They were quite possibly the first movies that I watched that weren't meant for children but young adults and dealt with heavier content than the kids movies I had watched until then. And it saddens me to see what has happened to these three behemoths of movie history.
I think they had an absolute golden parachute when everyone was suggesting Chris Pratt should play Indiana. Paired with a good writer maybe that stood a chance of reinvigorating the franchise. Instead the destructive wokies did all they could to burn it all down.
A lot of good points and facts mentioned by Heels, totally agree. Political agenda should not even be a factor in entertainment, never mind taking priority over everything else!
That is such a pussy and antiseptic approach to art. Creators who don’t have the balls to speak their mind don’t deserve their position. If you don’t like what they have to say, that’s fine. But that’s on you. Thankfully, creators aren’t beholden to their audience; at least the good ones aren’t.
@@eyespy3001 Nothing to do with art, I find modern films to be lacking in their ability to do what they are supposed to do because there is some other agenda being pushed. I like a Film to surprise me in a good way, take me out of my comfort zone and make me thing about things differently, and I do watch modern small time Films that I like, being an exception rather than a rule. My comment was raised with relevance to the content.
@@leonhantz6383 “I find modern films to be lacking in what they’re supposed to do because there is some agenda being pushed.” That, again, is on you. Just because you are not entertained due to whatever baggage you’re bringing into the experience with you doesn’t mean that someone else won’t be. The movie doesn’t fail at being a movie because of something _you_ take offense to.
@@eyespy3001 Why don't you ask Az -'Heel' the same thing? After all, he's the reason I felt obliged to agree and post. BTW who is taking offence? I think you are getting it mixed up with disappointment and disillusionment.
Take it up with HeelvsBF
@@leonhantz6383 “who is taking offense?” I’m speaking in general terms here. This entire UA-cam channel is centered around being put off by so-called agendas. Every single video is an op-ed piece about childhoods being ruined and ThE MeSsAgE destroying everything… Christ, the far bald guy in the bottom left corner looked like he was about to have an aneurysm talking about how angry he gets at the thought of Indiana Jones being ruined. There disappointment and disillusionment, then there’s making a living on UA-cam by manufacturing outrage.
If Phoebe Waller-Bridge ends up taking the mantle of Indiana Jones then the franchise is dead on arrival.
I know test screenings and reshoots aren't exactly uncommon, but there seems to be a trend of making films on the fly, in response to social media reactions... if a sneak peek doesn't have the desired effect, or the teaser trailer isn't well received, course correction at every turn seems to be the desired method.
TROS is the perfect example and probably the first time noticing the extent of how much a film can be patched together, with actors, characters and story being chopped, cut, deleted and reshot on a whim... unsurprisingly, resulting in a multi-million, Frankenstein's monster shit show!
I'd love to know the total amount of footage filmed, but cut from big budget blockbusters in the last 5 years... probably amounts to several feature length movies, or the equivalent of burning a Billion dollars 🤦🏼♂️
Holy shit even the 4th ended it off nicely, he got married and Shia DIDNT replace him, like as much issues people have with that movie, Atleast it didn’t try to sequel bait!
If a movie has rumors about replacing a legacy character with another charcter whos defining characteristics are one dimensional (race, sexuality, gender etc.), releases a trailer that hints that is the case, the cast denies said rumors (aggressively), and then announces there are reshoots shortly before release it only means one thing:
The rumors are true and the studio is desperately trying to soften the blow before the movie launched. Only, this time people are aware of this pattern now.
This movie, just like Rings of power, will be a hard pass.
Indy 5: The Thing That Should Not Be
It's as if they thought that since "Up" worked, people craved a geriatric action hero.
They had something when it was Sean Connery who said to Ford, _"Indiana? Indiana, let it go."_
Pity that Ford, who prided himself as being mentor to younger, up and coming actors, earlier in his career, didn't listen to an iconic, older actor.
He could have said NO! To this abortion. There's something weird about Ford. He seems to like dying scenes.
Such an iconic scene from Last Crusade.
I am glad my parents raised me with the same movies they watched as kids. Let’s me appreciate a time when we had some good cinema, Not all of it was good, but man did we have some jewels back in the day.
Interesting what you said about Indie not working in the 1960s. I could never get my head around Poirot being brought up to the present (as he was in the books) because his brand of elegance just wouldn't work in the second half of the 20th century. The TV series decision to keep him in the years around WWII was inspired. Some heroes are inextricably tied to the period in which they were spawned. Even though Indie was created in the early 1980s, the mindset of Spielberg and Lucas was very much wrapped up in the pulp heroes who were their inspiration. And, mercifully, political correctness was still regarded as a bit of a joke in the 1980s so no one minded that the films ignored it.
*I personally cannot wait to watch another film about THE MESSAGE*
It's not just a problem with them killing old franchises, but also the people they employ are doing it intentionally. You can't keep these people around. They're not trustworthy. They're not talented. That's probably why video game movies are gonna be the next 'big thing' because they're largely untapped and basic as hell when it comes to stories/storytelling; anything that deviates from the bog standard is going to be too obvious and get rejected just as hard.
Sorry, but games are getting woke too. TLOU2 is a good example. Why was this game ever made?
Man I could listen to Az rant all day.
Anemic horse 😂😂
The real sequels to the Indy trilogy were the first two Mummy movies and they were worthy. They captured that spirit of adventure crossed with archaeology and mythology in fun exciting films which correctly balanced humour and action. If you are going to continue an established, popular line of entertainment like this you have to carefully study the formula at the very least.
You know, this reminds me of that old t.v. show SLIDERS. Great concept. Great acting. Great writing. It would have gone on for years if it hadn’t been for the replacing of characters one by one until none of the original cast was left. The show ended up falling off a cliff into obscurity.
Hollywood should remember their past and learn from it. It didn’t work than, it won’t work now.
Actually Rembrandt Brown who was one of the original Sliders made it all the way through to the end of the final season. At least that's what I read somewhere as I gave up after season 4, I think. And no offense meant to the actor but the Cryin' Man was my least favourite character. He started out irritating and got worse as the series progressed. I accept they needed a normal everyman character to have all the science exposition explanations but that was all he really was there for (granted it's been years since I watched the show, maybe I am doing him an injustice)
Good call
Anyone else get the feeling that all the decision-makers in any endeavor are just kind of making it up as they go along, hoping it will all just turn out right in the end?
With even an ounce of creativity, they could have Indy as a mentor, helping to solve the riddles, downplay the dangerous situations he is sending his protégé into, be the "damsel in distress" to be rescued because he can no longer fight off the assasins or kidnappers.
But it's called Indiana Jones. Does anybody want to watch that film?
They need a very good reason to bring Indy back
@@O1OO1O1 They had the surviving Ghostbusters show up at the end of Afterlife. I know Ghostbusters is a brand and Indiana Jones is a person but it's kinda similar. Have Indy go missing like his dad did in Last Crusade and new character or characters find him and let adventure commense.
@@carlsiouxfalls why are those new characters there? Films tell character stories. They need a reason to exist. They would have to make a film after Indy 3, and it would have to be good. Then do the Indy 3 role reversal for Indy 5 or 6
@@O1OO1O1 The characters' existence would need to be justified in the movie - just like any other movie. Perhaps it's the first day of the new semester (he's a teacher, remember), but he doesn't show up for class. There's only 3 students in it, who go to his campus office and find a clue as to where he might be which sets up the plot and gets the movie going.
@@carlsiouxfalls yeah, but it's hard to do that in one film. I like the premise, but it should have been his son. That would have been a much better way to continue his story. Make a movie. He's getting old. Surprise son. Then a second one, where he had to be saved. Maybe it could be one film. But you need that development for the quest to save him to work.
2049 is the best way to carry over into a new franchise, when they shoehorn the younger characters in the original universe it comes off as unauthentic and forced, but following this new character from the jump with a touch of Indi at the end as a cameo or ancillary role would work as it’s own property and bridge the gap with the fans of the original franchise
Remember Harry Enfield’s show? He and Paul Whitehouse did a pair of characters called The Self Righteous Brothers, who would get all worked up and indignant about imagined affronts that have not even occurred, but they seem unable to tell the difference between their own imagined, “If’s,” and reality.
I don’t know what Shia LaBeuf did or said, but I really liked him. He had good comedic timing, and acting skills. He should’ve been given the hat in KOTCS, and we should be on the second or third installment of Indy Jr., IMHO.
First of all: #Doomcockwasright ;-)
Anyway, with the Crystal Skull; one thing that bothered me a LOT was that they CONTINUOUSLY needed to mention that he was so old.
Now he's even a lot older, of course this will be his last Indiana Jones movie, but it at Crystal Skull they already thought he was a fossil himself, they indeed should have ended it there.
Who should be the next Indy? Dunno. Henry Cavill maybe? :P
I liked crystal scull but the next movie should have been his son (even if recast) going on adventures. Indy could still be in the movie as his teacher/advisor.
It was doomed before it began because of KK and modern Disney. No amount of reshoots can save this pile.
The first 20 or so minutes of the Raiders of the Lost Ark is some of the most exciting footage in film history.
you are right, its not overdone just gripping and one immediately backs him
"When a shareholder says, 'can we make some bloody money please' things will improve and not until then"
According to Bloomberg, Kenneth Simeone, an investor in Disney, filed a lawsuit in Delaware Chancery Court against Disney (Kenneth Simeone v. The Walt Disney Co., No. 2022-1120, Delaware Chancery Court (Wilmington).
“Entertainment is privilege” - that’s the way they see it - well said Az. I just wish they’d leave the old stuff alone. They need to stop trying to erase and overwrite our entertainment for woke apologetic ESG nonsense. I ignore it all. The Drinker is right. We are in a post creative age. Sad.
I like Az's description of Waller-Bridge 😂🤣😂
I remember 10 years ago when there was rumors of a Farscape revival I was so excited at the prospect.
Now I'm horrified.
For the love God, leave Farscape the frell alone...!
Same goes for Babylon 5 and Stargate. Please leave them be. They will only mess them up.
And to add to what Little Platoon said about the passing for the torch... It isn't just that the person they're passing it off to is insufferable, it's that they're unproven as well. We followed this character around for three different adventures over the span of years and suddenly he has a son we never met before. It would have been better if it was someone we knew, that had been along and we actually watched develop a little bit.
Platoon…your comments on easy moneys are spot on, great discussion, summary of a very important point about profits. Explains a lot about respect for audience and characters. You need neither when max. profits are not primary driver of an industry. Increase interest rates, cost of capital, breakeven and have a recession and maybe, maybe, hopefully we will see a return to good story telling.
"Increase interest rates, cost of capital, breakeven and have a recession and maybe, maybe, hopefully we will see a return to good story telling."
We tried that in 2008 just to find out that the best fiction writers will always be high-functioning people who still have their inner child. No committee of politically correct writers will have the same vision capable of producing the next timeless classic.
We could have had an Indiana Jones/James Bond crossover where they search for Excalibur because it was stolen by Russian Nazis trying to destroy the world because all sides hate them. Instead we get Indiana Jane and she's not even hot.
As someone who’s favorite movies as a child were the OG Indie movies, I can’t wait for this to fail. It breaks my heart that this the industry has turned against me and the audience so intensely that they have me rooting for the failure of Indie.
Only 3 real Indiana Jones films…and apparently it’s gonna STAY that way!
For me, it’s just Raiders and Last Crusade
Never heard that one before 🙄
No one wants this movie. Indiana Jones is a beloved series that holds fond memories for so many, and to see it be dragged through the mud is painful. This is going to flop. Badly.
Phoebe Wallace is the kind of woman to look at a script and say "Yeah this is good, but you know what would make it better? If I had a major role in it"
I’m actually old enough/young enough to remember REALLY ENJOYING the tv series “Young Indians Jones.” From what I remember it was really well done and intriguing, geared towards younger audiences with enough homage to the original. Perfect, no, but it had good moments. I’d hate to see them do something like that now, but it might be better than belittling and killing him off.
Yeap, me too. I loved those as a kid too. They gave kids little lessons about history. Carrie Fisher even wrote the WWI Mata Hari episode. Indy mentions in Crystal Skull he served in Africa in the Belgian Army and rode with Pacho Villa as a kid. One legit smile that movie gave me for sure.
This movie will be just as good as the last few movies released by Dizknee. 😉