at the end of the pod, alice is standing above a dying liam and a dead rozc, and then liam says: 'i can't believe you have defeated us, you truly are fashion'
Nicole Rudolf (shoe historian) says single lasted shoes wouldn't be swapped foot to foot but became molded to the left or right fairly quickly. Cheaper to make one shoe mold than two symmetrical molds.
I like imagining as this episode goes on, Liam's flipping through the pages of a fashion magazine in the background, periodically extending it away in disgust or pulling it closer to his face in intrigue.
Clothes made of plastic! So cool! I love washing clothes to shed microplastics, and then wearing the clothes and shedding even more microplastics. I love having plastic in constant contact with my skin. I also love throwing the clothes made of plastic out and buying more clothes made of plastic on purpose. I love plastic and the industrial revolution.
In the 90s I remember seeing something on the news in which polyester pyjamas legally had to be treated with flame retardant because they melt in contact with space heaters and other heat/fire sources and sometimes even catch fire. What cements that memory was looking at my own blanket sleeper sleeve and seeing my mother's cigarette singes in the material and shuddering at the idea of fully catching fire.
I remember Nicole Rudolph, who makes historical shoes, saying that one can't feasibly switch between left and right for straight lasted shoes because they mould to one's feet after the first wear. I think the only period reference to the idea she found was a military officer thinking it was a Brilliant Idea.
straight lasted shoes were not meant to be swapped from one foot to the other. while when you initially bought them you could place them on either foot no problem, after only a day or so of breaking them in, the leather would have molded to your foot enough that it would be more uncomfortable to swap them to the other foot than to just keep wearing them on the same foot. on surviving historical examples, you can even see straight lasted shoes have wear patterns indicative of being distinctly on one foot or the other.
I've been catching up on the last couple of bonus episodes, and I feel like the Fashion episode has been teased for the last 3 months. Looking forward to checking it out on Patreon!
I hate to be that guy, but Persian cavalrymen were wearing galesh -- a traditional shoe with a high heel -- in the 10th century, a couple centuries before there was a Mongol presence in the region. Perhaps my history is a bit confused. Additionally, platform & high-heeled shoes had a more practical benefit during the Medieval period: lifting the wearer off of dirty streets.
Possible, but on the streets the money was they would lay down planks when the mud and manure got wet, so it's more likely that if they did wear heels it was because of vanity.
Do you have examples for those high-heeled shoes for lifting the wearer off of dirty streets? Like just some term I can google for to find pictures. For the area of the HRE I mostly know wooden platforms you can attach to your shoes. People often say stuff like "Ah yes, they had to wear these things, because the streets were like 1m of mud and you would sink into it without them" but people who actually tested it swear that the wooden platforms are actually quite shitty for deep mud. Mostly useful for regular amounts of wet dirt and the main purpose is probably just to keep the sole of the shoe away from water and wet dirt.
I like to do something I call the hoodie test. If a brand's cheapest sweatshirt costs more than the cheapest Patagonia one ($79 at time of posting), you can automatically discard all of that brands clothes.
@@user-sd3ik9rt6dI am absolutely 100% certain it's all hand-sewn. Women can get away with the "a victorian seamstress would have loved my machine" argument, a tailor trying that line would be taken out back and put against the wall.
I am sure plenty of tailors who were more concerned with reducing the time it took were super excited to adopt machine sewing. Just like not every chef aspires to produce Michelin star food not every tailor wants to make bespoke suits for jerk offs with thousands of dollars to spend on a single set of clothing.
Shout out to my lactase producing sibs! I will not be judged and infantilized just because my ancestors were landlocked and shitty hunters and had to eat cheese all winter.
Liam shouting about WTF fashion stuff is a new favorite bit. Hard not to start spamming with dumb stuff to look up, but thigh high Uggs might be one of the worst.
The rage against fast fashion pisses me off. I am not saying that there is no problem, but even the "cheap" clothes seem pretty expensive to me, and I have an average salary. Many people have a family and have to survive on far less than me. Anyone who criticizes fast fashion, but doesn't come up with a solution, other than implying that clothes should be more expensive, sucks. Moreover, I bought some clothes from expensive brands and many of them were just as sh*t but cost 10 times more, because of the brand sticker. Just don't buy impulsively and try not to throw your clothes away because you get a bit tired of them.
Buying second hand and learning to sow seems to be the most sustainable solution for most people, I feel. It'd be somewhat a return to the norm that existed prior to the rise of fast fashion
Hi ❤ Love this podcast ❤ I am a west Europe leftist (In Germany I like SPD, in United Kingdom a Labour party xD)❤ Justin Roczniak is from Poland? His surname is a from Poland and if you can speak in polish I want to make a interview with my wife from Wales and you because I have a lot of friends from Poland and central-east Europe and they are love your podcast and I explored this podcast from polish leftist. German leftist's don't listening a English podcasts...😂
Yeah, I'm sorry this is a pretty pointless topic. Fashion doesn't dictate genders nor does it code anything. As you said yourself, the origin of high heals was masculine in nature, yet today it is viewed as extremely feminine. There's no force that caused this other than how people viewed it. Gender stereotypes change with time, that's why the issue isn't what they are, but that they are. The argument "fashion is coded gender rules" is the same thing. Also I wholly disagree on the premise. Gender stereotypes aren't discouraging gender discourse, they're quite literally the entire premise of it. I mean what's one of the first things people do when transitioning, why they wear the clothing of the opposite gender stereotype. Nobody told them to do that, but they do on their own. In fact some have openly acknowledged their interest in transitioning out of envy of the opposite gender's stereotypes. As I said, the stereotypes of today will not be the same in the future and what we view as masculine or feminine is also guaranteed to change. Like how the bowl cut was seen as manly in the 70s, or the bob cut was seen as feminine in the 50s. If what is the standard changes every few decades you can't blame that for being the cause of people's views, it more shows how the views of the populous change over time.
babe this is 15 minutes of a four hour episode. I promise there's more going on than just a discussion of high heels and gender that makes it worth anyone's while
Nothing more masculine than heels, leggings, powdered noses, and luscious curly hair.
Me and my boys love our powered wigs down the Weatherspoons.
Don't forget corsets and hip pads! Creating the appearance of a snatched waist was a masculine trait up through the Regency.
at the end of the pod, alice is standing above a dying liam and a dead rozc, and then liam says: 'i can't believe you have defeated us, you truly are fashion'
*November. I haven't listened to the EP, but she's committed to the name change on Trashfuture and Kill James Bond.
Nicole Rudolf (shoe historian) says single lasted shoes wouldn't be swapped foot to foot but became molded to the left or right fairly quickly. Cheaper to make one shoe mold than two symmetrical molds.
I like imagining as this episode goes on, Liam's flipping through the pages of a fashion magazine in the background, periodically extending it away in disgust or pulling it closer to his face in intrigue.
Clothes made of plastic! So cool! I love washing clothes to shed microplastics, and then wearing the clothes and shedding even more microplastics. I love having plastic in constant contact with my skin. I also love throwing the clothes made of plastic out and buying more clothes made of plastic on purpose. I love plastic and the industrial revolution.
I also love nylon and polyester. Fantastic materials with zero ecological consequences in their use.
In the 90s I remember seeing something on the news in which polyester pyjamas legally had to be treated with flame retardant because they melt in contact with space heaters and other heat/fire sources and sometimes even catch fire. What cements that memory was looking at my own blanket sleeper sleeve and seeing my mother's cigarette singes in the material and shuddering at the idea of fully catching fire.
I remember Nicole Rudolph, who makes historical shoes, saying that one can't feasibly switch between left and right for straight lasted shoes because they mould to one's feet after the first wear. I think the only period reference to the idea she found was a military officer thinking it was a Brilliant Idea.
I commented the same thing worded worse!
Ah finally, my Costube interests and my engineering disaster interests have collided.
Gotta love Devon with the Macklemore quote
let november threaten twitter conservatives whenever she wants at volume. it's enrichment in her enclosure
Unnamed Guest is such an incredible get. Big fan of them on Unnamed Podcast Series
Madame x was great
straight lasted shoes were not meant to be swapped from one foot to the other. while when you initially bought them you could place them on either foot no problem, after only a day or so of breaking them in, the leather would have molded to your foot enough that it would be more uncomfortable to swap them to the other foot than to just keep wearing them on the same foot. on surviving historical examples, you can even see straight lasted shoes have wear patterns indicative of being distinctly on one foot or the other.
God that is why I fuckin love Liam. He is the purest soul ever created. Man has such an honest outlook on fashion it is just disablingly funny.
“Shout out shoes” -Vince staples
Eey, Varusteleka Tactical Jeans, good stuff Alice.
I've been catching up on the last couple of bonus episodes, and I feel like the Fashion episode has been teased for the last 3 months. Looking forward to checking it out on Patreon!
I hate to be that guy, but Persian cavalrymen were wearing galesh -- a traditional shoe with a high heel -- in the 10th century, a couple centuries before there was a Mongol presence in the region. Perhaps my history is a bit confused. Additionally, platform & high-heeled shoes had a more practical benefit during the Medieval period: lifting the wearer off of dirty streets.
Possible, but on the streets the money was they would lay down planks when the mud and manure got wet, so it's more likely that if they did wear heels it was because of vanity.
there is a non-zero chance I'm going to get into a fight with my open uni tutor in these comments.
@@SewingandCaring I dig the input! These two impulses are not mutually exclusive.
Do you have examples for those high-heeled shoes for lifting the wearer off of dirty streets? Like just some term I can google for to find pictures. For the area of the HRE I mostly know wooden platforms you can attach to your shoes. People often say stuff like "Ah yes, they had to wear these things, because the streets were like 1m of mud and you would sink into it without them" but people who actually tested it swear that the wooden platforms are actually quite shitty for deep mud. Mostly useful for regular amounts of wet dirt and the main purpose is probably just to keep the sole of the shoe away from water and wet dirt.
I like to do something I call the hoodie test. If a brand's cheapest sweatshirt costs more than the cheapest Patagonia one ($79 at time of posting), you can automatically discard all of that brands clothes.
I'd like to welcome November to the "trans women whose name begins with 'Nov-'" club. Well done.
Well there’s your catwalk
Can't say I expected the Varustaleka shout-out, figured Alice would get her gear from some esoteric Cyrillic-only surplus website
Wow, the legend is true, the episode is real
Trans rights 🏳️⚧️🛠️👌🏿❤ for you ❤
*IM A TAILOR* of bespoke mens historical suits 1890 to 1940 - it takes me up to 250 hours to make a 3 piece suit
Hand sewn or with a treadle singer ?
@@user-sd3ik9rt6dI am absolutely 100% certain it's all hand-sewn. Women can get away with the "a victorian seamstress would have loved my machine" argument, a tailor trying that line would be taken out back and put against the wall.
I am sure plenty of tailors who were more concerned with reducing the time it took were super excited to adopt machine sewing. Just like not every chef aspires to produce Michelin star food not every tailor wants to make bespoke suits for jerk offs with thousands of dollars to spend on a single set of clothing.
Shout out to my lactase producing sibs! I will not be judged and infantilized just because my ancestors were landlocked and shitty hunters and had to eat cheese all winter.
"$650 for a balaclava?!?" Liam please allow me to introduce you to the Blenciaga Ikea tote bag...
The next time someone gives me crap for wearing sweats and a tank top, I’ll just tell them it’s my “I don’t have to work” fashion
fashion bonus real finally??? holy shit
OMG IT'S REAL
Linea Rossa in SEPTA t-shirt context is PATCO
DON'T LOSE YOUR WAY~
Where post on bono episodo playlist?
Turn to the left. Turn to the right. Ooh. We’re the Goon Squad.
I am appalled by the idea of Prada-branded ski gear. Has Liam ever been skiing? That shit is useless!
Yeah!!!!
oh no, now I'm going to have to give you money
Imagine Fashions
As a menswear guy I have those shoes but in red.
Thrift stores
Hand me downs
Capsule wardrobes
Quality items that will last
✅
Liam shouting about WTF fashion stuff is a new favorite bit. Hard not to start spamming with dumb stuff to look up, but thigh high Uggs might be one of the worst.
Wear chaps over them and a tank top, and you reached Rock Bottom.
The rage against fast fashion pisses me off. I am not saying that there is no problem, but even the "cheap" clothes seem pretty expensive to me, and I have an average salary. Many people have a family and have to survive on far less than me. Anyone who criticizes fast fashion, but doesn't come up with a solution, other than implying that clothes should be more expensive, sucks. Moreover, I bought some clothes from expensive brands and many of them were just as sh*t but cost 10 times more, because of the brand sticker. Just don't buy impulsively and try not to throw your clothes away because you get a bit tired of them.
Buying second hand and learning to sow seems to be the most sustainable solution for most people, I feel. It'd be somewhat a return to the norm that existed prior to the rise of fast fashion
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Hi ❤
Love this podcast ❤
I am a west Europe leftist (In Germany I like SPD, in United Kingdom a Labour party xD)❤
Justin Roczniak is from Poland?
His surname is a from Poland and if you can speak in polish I want to make a interview with my wife from Wales and you because I have a lot of friends from Poland and central-east Europe and they are love your podcast and I explored this podcast from polish leftist. German leftist's don't listening a English podcasts...😂
Justin is of Polish ancestry, yes, but I don't think he himself has ever been to Poland or speaks a word of Polish
Vaush reference?????!?!!!?!
Vaush has entered the chat
🙏🙏🙏gay🙏🙏🙏
😃 *PromoSM*
masturbatorily showing off screen shots of your twitter dunks is kinda lame ngl
person: [has fun]
you: this has harmed me personally somehow
Dude, it's a podcast about engineering. We're all lame
Yeah, I'm sorry this is a pretty pointless topic. Fashion doesn't dictate genders nor does it code anything. As you said yourself, the origin of high heals was masculine in nature, yet today it is viewed as extremely feminine. There's no force that caused this other than how people viewed it. Gender stereotypes change with time, that's why the issue isn't what they are, but that they are. The argument "fashion is coded gender rules" is the same thing.
Also I wholly disagree on the premise. Gender stereotypes aren't discouraging gender discourse, they're quite literally the entire premise of it. I mean what's one of the first things people do when transitioning, why they wear the clothing of the opposite gender stereotype. Nobody told them to do that, but they do on their own. In fact some have openly acknowledged their interest in transitioning out of envy of the opposite gender's stereotypes.
As I said, the stereotypes of today will not be the same in the future and what we view as masculine or feminine is also guaranteed to change. Like how the bowl cut was seen as manly in the 70s, or the bob cut was seen as feminine in the 50s. If what is the standard changes every few decades you can't blame that for being the cause of people's views, it more shows how the views of the populous change over time.
babe this is 15 minutes of a four hour episode. I promise there's more going on than just a discussion of high heels and gender that makes it worth anyone's while