The PROBLEM with Cruise Ships
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Cruise ships have had a bit of a rough time in the news over the years. From the literal Titanic, to public outrage over their existence anywhere, to pandemic disasters, to the 9 month cruise disasters that went viral earlier this year, these floating cities are a contentious way to travel. And yet their popularity is booming... we're here to figure out why.
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You know the difference between a voluntary contract and involuntary servitude like taxation? 😅 You call voluntary arragngents exploitation and involuntary servitude freedom, thats what authoritarianism has done to your psyche.....Oh, i'm so sorry your town gets hundreds of millions from the cruiships 😢 i wish It was my town instead, you can come to my ghost town whenever you want by the way, and i go there, youll see how awful cruiships are then
Now I have even more reasons to never want to go on a cruise. 🙇
@@PublicServiceForTruth Hey man, half truths and total omission of other facts makes the video more sensationalized and that makes the algorithm go round. I'm sure if ground news included videos on their app this would be slotted into the less factual section.
U should have a Netflix show…Good narration . Voice
… and infographics with condensed knowledge
@@MR101722
Pls remind me the other facts, poop on the wáter which all marine life does and arguably contributes to the biologic cycle and bogus climate change nonsense, i'm so tired of the agenda 2030 self loathing human depopulation brainwash, we are as much part of this world as all other lifeforms, meanwile they biggest yatchs are owned by the ritch people spreading this nonsense that benefit from you saying on their plsntations playing taxes
Note: The Titanic was not a cruse ship but an ocean liner, more akin to today’s airliners by being a form of transport rather than for leisure.
Shut up
That makes cruise ships look worse by comparison since they serve no other practical purpose besides luxury and entertainment.
@@jmal Ed Zachary
The modern equivlant is "cruiseferries" I guess? They took trucks together with passengers while connecting communities. Hurtigurten is still the vital link for Norwegian towns that have minimal road accesses.
@@jmalYes, that is litterly the only reason why they exist today. If you want to go anywhere far you take a train or plane.
I have a friend in Norway who works on cruise ships. He is an electrician. He says every job responsible for the ships running or safety of passengers are from western countries with educations. But every other of the 2,5k crew are mostly from the Philippines and work with shitty conditions
And those people take the jobs voluntarily because the jobs represent the best opportunities they have. Take away the cruise jobs and they go down to their second next opportunities.
Yes, 100%. We chatted with our waiters and cabin stewards and they were mostly Filipino and Indonesian. They worked CONSTANTLY. All day, everyday for months at a time. They rarely had time off to go home to see their families. I felt so bad for them. They were like indentured servants.
Shitty conditions by our standards, not shitty by philippines standards.
@@rudimussrodelnYes, and also AMAZING condition compared to ancient Roman slaves. What is your point exactly? 🤨
@@brucemsabin As someone from the Philippines, I can guarantee that if they work on cruise ships, those are not their "best opportunities." Those jobs are hospitality jobs, which are service jobs that require a fair amount of training and refinement. You can't just pluck a random impoverished provincial from the countryside and expect them to do the job effectively. In the Philippines, those people would already be fairly well educated (by global standards, not Western standards) and on the cusp of the domestic middle class.
It's just that the Philippines has a culture of sending people overseas to work, and so it's simply assumed that working abroad is better than working domestically. But that is changing pretty quickly (see Economics Explained's video on the Philippines), and domestic opportunities are rising rapidly.
In short, cruise ship workers from the Philippines are likely being exploited.
I am disabled and when I travel, I have to use a wheelchair. Cruise ships are a nice way for me and my family to travel because of all accommodations that are available. We avoid the upsells just like we do everywhere else (Disneyland, concerts, the grocery store) and travel with purpose. As nice as it might be for others to travel in other ways, those kinds adventures are just not designed for someone like me.
This is definitely an important perspective, thank you for sharing!
This is a perfect comment to remind us that cruises can be a very good thing, just that they need to be run differently (ie: exploiting labor laws, tax laws, etc). That's awesome you get a fun experience.
Yes I have a friend who is very obese, to the point where they struggle with stairs. Cruises are a way for them to see the sights but not have to move around. I think it's also why older people like them. Me personally, I dislike having itineraries
Well said! Safe and happy travels.
Thanks for a different perspective. This makes a lot of sense.
The Titanic wasn’t a cruise ship. Travellers used to use ships to get from Europe to the US as there was no commerical flight.
Technically true, but no doubt modern cruising industries were shaped by those ship lines and it's hard to separate them all. A few cruise lines nowadays are either surviving ship lines, or established themselves by acquiring oceanliners from defunct ship lines. In fact, oceanliner crossings are still run by Cunard's Queen Mary 2 almost year-round, but I doubt most passengers and the corporate see her much more than a glorified cruise ship.
@@steinwaldmadchen I actually used Queen Mary 2 to get to the USA and back when I went there for vacation. Compared to air travel it was 100x better.
@@SharnLugonn Of course QM2 crossing is still a thing, and I enjoyed that as well.
But you'd probably know since QM2 and her predecessor, Queen Elizabeth 2, are designed with much higher mix of cruise passengers in mind than older oceanliners.
That's the new reality, and Cunard is merely adapting to it unfortunately.
I saw a clip of a stand-up comic recently who went on his first cruise. His impression was, "Going on a cruise was like going to prison... If the prison was inside an Applebee's." 😂😂😂
that's such a good quote hahaha
😂 That’s exactly how cruise ships seem to me! LOL
The one thing I will say in support of cruises is that they (or certain cruise lines) are the best way for my disabled mother to travel reliably. They do a lot of work to make areas of the ship accessible, and to mark out which excursions are accessible and which aren't, and as long as she books through the cruise itself, she knows she won't get left behind.
I personally don't love cruising, but I can see why she does, since it reduces the amount of effort she has to put into travel by a LOT.
This is a big reason. Even down to things like food allergies / food restrictions, where you know that you can have delicious food on vacation without being worried about possible issues.
this is such an interesting perspective, no wonder she enjoys them! thanks for sharing
But cruises aren't travelling....
No, cruises are a resort vacation, not a travel vacation. Frankly, if you go on cruises, you've likely seen the ports before and you aren't going for them. You are going for a easy place to relax and eat well, and have plenty and various activities both on ship and on land, and to be pampered. But rarely to see new places, unless you can afford one of the small luxury or expedition lines.
Very true. A lot of people wouldn't go anywhere if it weren't for cruise ships. What about elderly people, or disabled people? Is this post suggesting that they shouldn't travel at all?
When visiting Copenhagen for a few days, I remember walking through a very nice, quiet park where one bench had the message "Tourists are vermin" sketched into it. I was a bit sad someone would think that way... Until 30 minutes or so later this little quiet area was absolutely SWARMED by a crowd coming from a cruise ship. It was complete chaos and utter hell and I couldn't imagine what it would be like having to experience that on a daily basis
Unrealated but I love how you typed this. They way you introduce the story and the imagery with the conclusion. I hope your a writer because your writing is amazing,
@@RayDrawzDragonz that's a very nice compliment, thank you :) not a writer, but I like scribbling ideas for UA-cam videos in my head, with bits of setup and payoff. Might do something with it, as I enjoy the thought process
@@RayDrawzDragonz agreed
Now write this about liberals politics
It's weird considering that, even if I'm a tourist, I tend to be the least rowdy of all the other ones. Simply because I too can only take so much noise from the others, until I have to go back to my quiet room and stay there...And I do think it's worth noting to understand different crowds of people all over the world, and the traditions and manners they learn, so this way you don't stand out as a tourist. It's probably why video sunglasses are the best investment because then you don't look like a tourist with a camera in your hands.
I actually had a really really good time on the cruises I've been on. They taught me the importance of getting off the internet. Because the net was an extra cost and I'm not going to pay extra money just to have access to the net. I realized that not being on the internet made me happier. I'd just sit on the edge of the boat and read an actual book as the air passed by. It was lovely. I do hope someday there are ships made that aren't just insane pollution machines.
This is why I like them. I can sit and read, and sit and write, and not feel pressured to be constantly online and doom scrolling.
I feel like even there were less polluting alternatives to cruising, the cruising industry would probably buy the competition, at least in the US.
The issue is you can do all the exact same things with proper travel vacations instead of cruises. I went on a drive vacation to Newfoundland and barely touched my phone except for to take pictures.
The real shame is so many of the other options for vacation end up being so expensive.
Cruises are also extremely expensive! That's the main reason I've never been on one.
Not really, you can save a lot if you want to plan significantly in advance and do a lot of research. Cruise ships are a complete package with a lot of things being overpriced, so not much room to do that.
@@MatthewTheWanderernot really
@@ummmbye1228 They are certainly not cheap!
@@MatthewTheWanderer they can be
You can have a blast on a cruise ship without spending an extra dollar on board. I have done it many times
Facts, but they would bankrupt if we all did that😊
That doesn't negate all the horrible pollution and bad practices they use.
Apparently people die on cruise ships all the time. It’s not a unique event. Considering high number of all the older retired people, it’s quite common.
Not only that is a common thing, but big cruiseships have morgues for obvious reasons.
Yeah, it usually only becomes newsworthy if the crew mishandle the body by, say, stuffing it into a beverage fridge instead of the morgue. Or when a journalist decides to shine a light on the amount of passenger overboard incidents they have (a lot).
Ambulances at the cruise port is a weekly occurrence here.
Combined with the excessive eating and drinking I guess
This is because death is something "natural" for every form of life... imagine that these ships are like towns, sometimes with 5000+ people on board...well...eventually someone will die...
One of my college friends is a full-time musician and he was in a cruise ship band. This was in the early 1990's. THEY TOOK HIS PASSPORT until he finished his contract of 18 months I want to say. Based on that story alone, I have never felt the urge to go on a cruise, magnificent as the ships may be.
Oh, yikes... that makes me sick in the pit of my stomach
I get that it would be very disruptive if the entertainers jumped ship while at port, but if they do that to the customer-facing staff, imagine how they treat the ones rarely seen by passengers.
It`s comment for ships to take the passport of everyone on board, even the paying guests. Every cruise I have been on collected my passport at boarding time.
That’s pretty rich for a Victorian to be complaining about sewage from cruise ships considering your city didn’t have a sewage treatment plant until Dec 31, 2020.
does anyone remember the poop cruise from hell?😂
oh god 🤢🤢
I watched a video about that on another channel. Don't make me barf up my lunch. 🤮🤮
Considering how common norovirus is on cruise ships, I guess every cruise has the potential to be a poop cruise
@@marieseaman7855you obviously didn't understand the reference
Dantavius did a video on that.
I live on the Great Lakes, and it's probably not a coincidence that the cruises operating here seem to operate better than ocean cruises, since the nature of the lakes and waterways connecting them limits ship size, and they're entirely within the borders of the US and Canada so there's no international waters loopholes. Not saying they're a good thing necessarily since they still have plenty of issues, but if you just want to relax on a big boat for a few days, that might be a less bad option. (Anecdotally, they also seem to cater more to European and Asian customers, which is an interesting outlier for the cruise industry.)
Japan, from the channel "Experience Japan" have boats that are more like ferry boats compared to cruise ships.
Also, disabled and elderly people exist. They deserve to travel too. Normal means of travel are often not accessible for those people.
Hurtigruten in Norway is another company that is like UnCruise.
They focus on sustainability, local culture, local food, and history. My experience there gave me a massive appreaciation for the country.
that's so cool! Glad to know there's people trying to make this space a little better ✨
What are the costs like? I want to do a N. Europe trip but can’t really afford Scandi countries without a cruise, but am not sure I want to take a regular cruise
@@FutureProofTV To be fair Hurtigruten is half ferry half criuse. IIRC some communities still relies on it for transportations, though larger towns of course are accessible by planes and roads nowadays.
Also some of the ships are now LNG - battery hybrid.
@@channamasala1 Actually Hurtigruten is not cheap - but you may choose to pick the "ferry" option to save a bit, and buy your food in ports when the ship is docked.
This was my first cruise and it didn't feel like anything I had heard about cruises before (thankfully). Like, there were only about 300 full time passengers and since there's no crazy 24/7 entertainment program we actually had time for conversations and getting to know each other. I also got to know some locals who had just booked tickets to the next port because in winter that is the quickest option to get there.
My other cruise was on the Rhine, which is also not a typical cruise.
Being trapped on a ship with 1000s of people is my idea of hell tbh
Like paying to be put in jail
same 😭😭
Is it that different from paying thousands of dollars to visit Disney World or an all inclusive resort on a dangerous Caribbean island?
@@dchenkin02nope it’s the same. And I wouldn’t go there either 😊
@@dchenkin02 less roof tho and not surrounded by fing water
That hawk sound effect freaked me out, because I was listening with headphones on a balcony where I regularly see and hear red-tailed hawks. And yes, it is a hawk sound effect, not an eagle, because Eagle's don't sound as cool, so movies and TV shows use hawk cries instead 😂
sorry for making you feel like you were under attack by winged predators 😭😭
When I first heard about that it reminded me of the pre serum Chris evens in Captain America. They used a skinny guy and edited Chris’s head on
YES! There are disabled American Bald Eagles at my local zoo (they - the zookeepers - are allowed to care for them because they - the eagles - cannot take care of themselves) and they make this weird, clipped, chirp-y sound. Nothing like the red-tailed hawk sound that everyone thinks eagles make. But they are a so pretty and HUGE! (and they eat a lot of mice, the eagles not the zookeepers ☺🦅)
*Eagles
I've got to say that - while cruises are everything you said and more (or less) - taking a "normal" travel vacation is ridiculous too. Between the crazy cost of airfare and the hotels that charge way, way too much for their rooms; valet parking; and facility fees; to the car rental companies; and the restuarants that charge you $50 for a decent meal for ONE (not counting breakfast or lunch); the cruise industry has created a "niche" for an affordable 7-days with the family away from work.
I actually consider taking a cruise to Ogasawara Island from Tokyo. I mean, when a stateroom from a top notch luxury cruise line is just a 2~3x the price of round trip ferry between the two (there's no airports on the island) plus a basic B&B, you know something is wrong. And I'm still staying as long as if I took the ferry.
I'm well aware that when the govt subsidied the locals during the pandemic, they just marked up as much.
Most of the crewmen are Filipinos. They prefer them since their salary is so low and they speak english fluently. Im sad my fellow people had to take this kind of work, but at least its better paying than the jobs we have here. My cousin already has built a house and a small business from working on a cruise ship for 10 years now. He basically buys goods abroad and sell them as a side hustle
I just got off the Wonder of the Seas. I think my cabin steward was Indonesian. I gave him a double tip close to 100 dollars plus I did the prepaid gratuity as well. I think this is the thing that bothers me the most is taking advantage of someone's who is less fortunate. But on the flip side is that this person is doing much better than his/her average countryman. It is something I consider when going on any vacation not just cruising.
@@Synoopy2 Thank you for your generousity. Most workers exceed their salary by the tips they receive. This is such a huge help and make their work bearable
You don't do cruises for the same reason you don't go to Vegas casinos. And in the casinos you can still escape reasonably, while on the ships you can't.
I've been to Vegas twice, and also to dubai. Both places are disgusting cesspools that cater to the over-indulgent sloths of society.
Americans and Canadians have the least vacation time in the world. A cruise is nice because it's a predictable way to spend your time that guarantees a certain level of enjoyment. A super intentional vacation where you engage with culture and expand your mind is all well and good, but if you only get a few days off per year from a job that you hate, rolling the dice on something like that where the spread is much wider, with your increasingly limited dollars, is a very daunting prospect.
then you should just go on a staycation.. stay in a nice hotel or resort somewhere nearby where you live in North America, if you have no desire to engage with a different culture why spend more money to travel elsewhere???
but wouldnt it be more relaxed then to just fly to one spot and chill there all the time? A cruise in my opinion is more stressful than a fixed beach vacation trip.
@@sophie1937 you're still picking your food and entertainment if you stay. Hotels are full of people who are traveling for work, the other passengers are on the ship to relax. It's a different environment. It's a deliberate vacation environment unlike anywhere else.
@@rudimussrodeln cruises are very relaxing. Maybe im just saying this because im an hour from the Galveston port but there is no stress in a cruise. We show up, hand our big luggage to a luggage cart guy after tagging it, we wait in a line that isn’t bad because they stagger arrival times. Then we show our passports and paperwork to someone at a desk and then we’re on the ship. At like 1pm our bags and rooms are ready and we’re done. No dealing with overweight bag fees or bag limits. No cramped middle seats. No dealing with weird hotels that may or may not have some weird shitty breakfast that you may or may not have to pay for. It’s just so much easier on a cruise ship. My family switched to cruises when we realized my mom and my aunt were just housekeepers at whatever place we rented for family trips
@@sophie1937A cruise is basically a stacation that also moves and everything is taken care of for you. I have done a lot of active trips, staycations, and cruises. Cruises are the most relaxing by an order of magnitude. Even the big active ships are still relaxing in a big beach party kind of way
Also the ships have so many different places to go with different atmospheres. There are quiet libraries, night clubs, and everything in between. Plus everyone there is also on vacation and just wants to have a good time.
I love these videos; it’s evident that they’re made with care and passion. It would be amazing to see a video about something good. Something great that’s happening in our world, weather it’s awesome or nostalgic. The trend has become to only report on the bad, and the ugly, on the stressful and scary. Thank you
Agreed. I wish channels would just in general make an effort to put out at least some positive content on a regular basis.
@@Neddoest I suppose the goal of the channel is to present the challenges which need addressing to #futureproof ourselves, but an update on our progress (which is probably negative) would also be interesting and helpful.
Yup, it would be nice as a balance, as opposed to always focusing on the dystopian hellscape that we live in..To be fair though, the actual news channels are exactly the same..
Yea I made a similar comment. Everything is a problem to this guy
my grandparents went on one of those small cruises to alaska like the one you showed at the end of the video and they said it was literally the best cruise they’ve ever been on
After spending more than 20 years in the US Navy, you couldn't pay me to step on a cruise ship.
My fiancé be like
You sound like my dad. "I spent 20 years in the fuckin Navy, why the fuck would I wanna get on another ship."
Why would I? The Navy sure didn't!
Retired navy here and i co-sign that remark !
I've been 50/50 on going on a cruise.
But you've managed to convince me.
Now I'm 100% going on that cruise.
I just got off a cruise and have COVID. Everyone on the Facebook group for that cruise has COVID. I mean they are super spreader events so just know what you're getting into.
Sending this video to your family who like cruising won’t burn any bridges because I can’t imagine anyone who’s ever been on a cruise being swayed by this video.
And that just goes to show the selfishness and blind ignorance of Americans. It's so crazy how many people are defending the 'fun' of cruises and just ignoring all the exploitation and environmental damage of them that was my biggest takeaway from this video.
@@joshua.h define “exploitation.”
This video is making a mountain out of a molehill while also knowing nothing about how cruises or the industry works. I bet he didn’t even bother to do more than 30 minutes of research.
Would it take more than 30 minutes, though?
The only reasons really to criticise cruise ships are for environmental reasons or for large numbers descending on a port. Both of these could be solved with legislation. Otherwise no-one
is forcing you to go on a cruise - if you think that is the last place you want a holiday then obviously don't go on one.
You forgot labour practices, health and safety, corporate responsibility, tax avoidance, criminal jurisdiction issues, and the alarming number of people who go overboard and are never seen again.
I’ve never been on a cruise and have no plans to embark on one. The idea of sharing my holiday with 2,000+ other people feels like hell on earth. Not to mention the way they work and the impact on the environment.
Same
for me personally, being on a cruise would be the worst way to spend my vacation. it's basically being sea-sick in a hotel, stuffed full of people, with no accessible nature around, and most likely waaaay to warm. and you can't even go somewhere else.
The inside of the ship is usually a bit chilly and you visit new ports almost every day.
How is that different from a vacation at Disney World or a private resort on a dangerous Caribbean Island? You have plenty of choice where to cruise if you want to go where it is cool; the second most popular cruise destination is actually coastal Alaska.
@@dchenkin02bro why are you defending going on a cruise lmao
@@Farquad76.547 bro why are you so angry that people like something you dont? lmao
@@digdougx different strokes for different folks brother
A cruise ship is everything I try to get away from with a vacation.
Give me a quiet campsite in a forest please.
Yes. Or a cabin on a small island (we have a lot of those here and it's the only way I vacation). Lots of nature and few people.
vacation is subjective so this comment really is pointless
I’m the opposite. I hate camping, love cruising. Enjoy your camping, it takes all kinds
I think if you live in a city then it won't appeal, since it's an even more condensed version of the environment you already experience every day. If you live in the outer suburbs, or rural, then it's probably a novelty to have everything a short walk away.
I enjoy backpacking, camping, fishing, and hunting but I also enjoy cruising. I love the SMALLER cruise ships where I can sit down near the water (often alone) with a good book. If you've never tried that, you should. Just avoid the mega ships if you value peace.
Maybe they want to spend their vacation time eating, drinking and sleeping with a new beautiful view and the possibility of seeing a different country. Let people live and be happy.
He cant, because his whiny rant feeds his self righteous, superiority complex.
He will be the judge of "travel" and decide if others actions on their vacation meet his approval. Don't take him serious, he's a clown.
As a family we do enjoy cruising. However the cruises we book will stay overnight in ports so we get more time to explore. I also have food allergies and struggle to find food in a lot of countries so this allows me a safe option. We also use a cruise ship kind of as a plane and stay a few days when we get off the boat. We also book our activities outside of the cruise company. It also gives us glimpses of places so we can make a more informed decision for our traditional travel destinations.
Now you're starting to speak my language, this sounds way better than the 6-hr stop and locust swarm on a small town.
while not quite a cruise, there is a ferry between Tallinn and Stockholm that is an overnight trip and i absolutely adore it. Its long enough to have shows and activities on board while also just being an enjoyable time on the sea. But short enough where you dont start to buy shit you dont want.
I had a great overnighter to Sardinia. Boarded, had a perfect double espresso, watched the sun go down and slept like a log.
Same for the ferry between "Hoek van Holland" in the Netherlands and Harwich in England. It's a decently sized ferry, with a cinema, small (but expensive) store and some casino machines. And two restaurants. But that's not really comparable. A ferry brings you from place A to place B. A cruise brings you from place A to place A again.
I really enjoy this channel but can't help but feel like the content has just become so overly negative. Every single title and thumbnail is about a major problem or how something is ruining the economy, planet, etc.
I know the point is to highlight these issues and that negativity generates more views, but whenever I see a new video pop up, I'm never excited, I just feel discouraged and left with something new to be mad at.
Before I took my first cruise last year I said I’d not travel by cruise ship. However after my first and this year my second cruise, I began to see the attraction. I am not as active as when I was younger. Cruise is slower in pace and dining is easy peacey. I actually enjoy sea days because they force me to slow down and relax. The only downside is that usually the port day is only one day, thus limiting how far inland local tours can go. I already booked next year’s Australia New Zealand cruise. I do prefer cruises that are not popular with young ppl and kids. I also go during school time. Retirees and seniors are great cruise passengers.
I worked onboard small cruise ships for several years until bulkhead fell on me & crippled me for life. I’m in constant pain now. Norovirus stays ruining cruises & killing elderly. It’s the reason the bulkhead wasn’t secured. The virus should be a major scandal but $$$ protects the cruise lines. Ruined my whole life. Thank you @FutureProof for making this video.
How can bulkhead fall on anyone unless the vessel is being built. I call BS
Did you mean to type bunk bed?
How does a virus make a bulkhead fall on you? I'm confused!
bulkheads are built into the structure of the ship, how did one just fall down?
WTH are you talking about?
As a fellow Victorian, I know what you are saying about cruises and cruise lines, but show me an industry that does not do this kind of thing. Disney World does it, Vegas does it, hell even Westjet and other airlines do it. Want to take a cheap low-cost flight, but the bags are an added cost and the planes also pollute the air. There really is no getting around it if you do want to travel. Even the eco tours that you mentioned at the end of the video also create waste as those older smaller ships are not as efficient as the newer LNG-powered ships. With everything, there are pros and cons to tourism and every industry out there.
My wife and I do a cruise every year, but it is a music cruise with around 20 bands playing a dozen shows a day. It's fantastic and we don't even disembark when in port. Nobody tries to sell us anything and the crew seems to genuinely enjoy themselves. I couldn't imagine doing a "regular" cruise.
why not go to a music festival or something similar thats on land and therefore less polluting?
@@sophie1937 our favorite band hosts the cruise and we have become close friends with them. It's like we are all on vacation together and get to hang out. I've never experienced that at a festival.
@@sophie1937because they enjoy the whole cruise. Everything is planned and they have a good time in an environment designed for a music vacation.
There's a music festival in Milwaukee right now. If you go you have to fight crowds to get in and out and get on crowded shuttle buses. On the cruise you just go back to your room between acts and meals. Much nicer than downtown Milwaukee traffic.
I have never been on a cruise but the irony with all these people claiming issue with the environmental impact of being at land vs at sea for a music festival is that they neglect all the ways they themselves choose their own comfort over being environmentally friendly on a daily basis.
I would imagine many of them choose to continue living or moving to unsustainable areas with no ground water to support them. They likely choose to use AC when they realistically don’t need it. They likely choose to drive a car rather than take a bike/train/bus.
For those who don’t, great but there are some big issues we need to face down, and cruises should probably be lower on the list.
As long as the ports are picked smart I don't mind them too much. I live in Haugesund, Norway. a town of about 50 000 people. There's been many controversies regarding cruise ports in Norway, especially in the smaller villages of what, 500 people. But also some in cities like Stavanger where they plonk the cruiseships right in front of people's houses in the old town district.
Here though? It's much better suited for it.
First of all they dock at the harbour, which is about a 1km walk from the downtown. Surrounded by industrial buildings, other ships, parking garages etc.
So if they wanna see the town theiy either need to walk there themselves, or take a shuttle bus. And they do leave quite a bit of money behind in shops cafes, etc.
The way the town is designed, with one large pedestrian shopping street spanning most of the way downtown I guess that also helps with crowds. It's fun, it adds a bit of buzz to the town.
Though it never feels suffocating to walk there when a cruiseship is in town, like it does in other places.
I liked our cruise's stop in Haugesund. Big enough to not feel like you're all swamping the town and small enough to feel cosy. And we still talk about our picnic up the top of the giant rock in Lotheparken (there's a geocache there!). And two lovely knitting/sewing shops.
I see so many complaints about ports limiting size/quantity of ships but I’m all for it. It means spreading out itineraries to different places, making it more difficult for cruise port shopping districts to pop up (I hate those), and making life better for the residents of these overwhelmed ports. Not every ship needs to stop in the same location! I’m a big supporter of having ports that only small ships can reach vs major cities for the large ships. Variety shouldn’t be seen as a negative.
Gotta admit that I do love seeing those “well if they don’t want us then we should refuse to go there!” comments. I’ve yet to find one where the commenter wasn’t being serious.
The cruise ship industry’s contribution to pollution and emissions alone is disgraceful!
^^^^ something the cruise-apologists avoid talking about
@@FutureProofTV Can you help me do the math for pollution and emissions?
The average cruise ship capacity is around 3,000 passengers and they usually visit 3 cities.
If those same passengers decided to travel to those 3 cities by plane, where the average now stands at 160 seats per scheduled flight. You would need 18 flights per destination. So 54 total plane flights + lets say 1,000 taxi rides from the airport to the tourist area and 1,000 back (per city).
Who pollutes more?
1 Cruise or 54 Flights + 6,000 Taxi rides
@@erickmillerzcase closed.
@@erickmillerz Perfect point. But people are going to take local cabs one way or the other. Whether it be to and from the airport or seaport. Replace that point with the trash point. Whether they fly in or sail in.They are still going to be a burden on local infrastructure. The real answer is, if your city doesn't like tourism, don't cater to tourists. Find a different industry to support your city. Good luck with that.
Yup, US should just start taxing the hell outta them.
Travel is all about planning and all the mistakes and learnings you make along the way. I cant imagine being stuck in the middle of the ocean with thousands of people and if anything goes wrong its not like you can easily nope out.
This video is poorly researched tbh (coming from someone who has gone in depth in the industry for uni and who has never taken a cruise). For instance, there are maritime laws that limit the working hours (i.e. 12h/day for 7days/week is not permitted).
Also, saying Americans love cruising without dipping into the depressing state of cities (i.e. not walkable).
There is one cruise I am interested in. There is one that goes up the coast of Norway. It doesn't have a pool, casinos, shopping maul, etc. It does apparently have a library on board. They are electric and recharge when they dock. They also don't dump waste in the water. They are supposed to be amazing for seeing the northern lights in the winter. Apparently they are also mail ships and a form of mass transit for the coastal towns.
Hurtigurten is also what I'm looking into. Also they hire local people and source from local.
But they do have a hot tub or sth iirc.
All modern cruise ships have state of the art waste management , from recycling, brown & grey water , food waste that is grinded up and feed to the sea creatures. No longer do they dump harmful waste into the ocean... that was decades ago..
I work at a Planetarium in Chichester England. Our resident astronomer Dr John Mason has for years been going up on the Hurtigruten ships as far as Tromso to conduct Northern Lights tours and viewings from the ships. Very successful. The cabins are a bit more ferry like but they have a dedicated bunch of fans.
Sounds too good to be true
@@overlord3481 Well it was a ferry running for decades, just upmarketed these days to attract tourists.
Short remark: the Titanik was not a cruiseship, but an ocean liner which is an actual mode of transport, and not a floating hotel.
That's like the difference between a tour and a commuter bus.
And could be converted to a ship that could participate in naval warfare at the time.
well said!
There's 2 types of people in life... Cruise people and non-cruise people. I've never understood the cruise people.
Imagine got on a trip where your 5 star resort goes with you and almost everything is all inclusive and taken care of for you so you just get to relax and have fun. That's a cruise.
@@digdougxsounds like a nightmare
@@Farquad76.547 I suppose its not for everyone, but a lot of people are knocking it before they've tried it and being weirdly smug about it.
When you get old you might think differently.
@@digdougx There is certainly appeal. I have, in fact, seen it first hand and it really is super-charged consumerism. The free food was cool for the first day until I got the strange feeling that we were like hogs being fattened for slaughter. The long lines to get on and off the ship, funneled like livestock. It was surreal and maybe with enough alcohol I would have forgotten all that but that upsell is crazy.
I am not saying that cruising is good, but I have been on cruises and enjoyed myself. But often there can be lectures onboard about the ports you are visiting to learn about their environment and culture. But I definitely agree with a majority of your points. Labour and the environment being my main concerns when I cruise. The last cruise I went on was a Disney Cruise and I was really impressed and happy to see that cruising gave a way for families with physically disabled family members to take a vacation together when many other forms of vacation may not be accessible to them.
For anyone they irrationally fear 15-minute neighborhoods as prisons instead of having basic amenities within walking distance which is what a cruise ship is! 🤦♂️
That is a stupid comparison. Go learn what a 15 minute city is and who is FORCING us into them.
@@watchthis6789 Oh no, not *gasps* shops in walking distance, the horror!
@@watchthis6789 Cruise ship at port.
@@watchthis6789 Please, tell us all about who is FORCING you into a 15-minute neighbourhood.
Love your channel and the topics you choose to cover! I was just having a similar conversation with my parents about the disruptive natureof the cruise industry. Also, lol, to see my hometown Lviv in one of the shots, even though it's landlocked and doesn't even have a river flowing through it 😂
they treat the waste before dumping it. It's actually really clean. Similar to how land treat our sewer before dumping it onto the coast. Same shit XD. As for low paying most of the staff are from 3rd world countries with extremally low cost of living. The lowest staff get paid like around 7k to 15k a year including tips. The average wage in Vietnam is 4k a year. That's double your income. To put it into perspective the average wage in CA is 70k a year and its like making 140k working only 9 months out of the year with food and housing included. Pretty good deal for working 12 hrs days and they get port days as well. It's a great way to travel the world for them.
Just because they get paid more than what they would make in their home countries doesn't mean they should not be paid even better and have better working conditions. This is just another way they keep us 'third-worlders' in our colonized mentality.
How exactly do they treat the waste? I mean, the land-based sewerage treatment plant for a small town wouldn't easily fit inside a cruise ship, so how is it the same? Also, what does "really clean" mean? Would you be happy to consume it?
Respectfully, I have to disagree with a couple of your points.
1. You said the purpose of traveling is to “expand your horizons.” While that may be one reason you’re traveling, like if you’re studying abroad for example, I would not call this the purpose of travel. The purpose of travel is to get away from home. At least that’s the primary purpose. I travel when I’m tired/bored of work and being cooped up in my apartment. Sometimes I need to get away from this mundaneness, so that’s why I travel. Yes, I may expand my horizons in the process, but that’s just an added bonus, not the purpose.
2. You mentioned that cruise ship employees don’t get paid enough, which sounds like a valid concern…but then you have to remember, they’re essentially getting free housing and free food. They don’t have to pay for groceries or rent. So with that considered, a living wage isn’t really an issue. The cruise line is providing all their needs.
With that said, I do agree with your points about the environment. I wonder if they could make electric cruise ships.
No, the crew members should still be entitled to a living wage. They may have family on shore they need to provide for. And even if they didn't, 'they get all their needs met by the ship, therefore don't need to be paid as much' is a super slippery slope to 'whoops! Looks like you can't afford anything that isn't in the *cough* company store *cough* where ALL your money *cough* goes straight back to us *cough* oh well! Isn't it so great and kind of us as your employer to provide for your every need? Why, you can even spend your vacation on the ship! Special discount rate, and we *promise* to only ask you about work related things during that time if we absolutely have to.'
Me and my gf went on a cruise for under 800 total. Spent almost nothing on the boat and spent most of our budget on food and alcohol while in mexico.
This guy is making shit up at times in this video. Workers can leave if they want to. This guy is going off of his opinion and not the facts at hand.
It's a hell of a lot cheaper than Disneyland these days
Why do people keep brining up Disneyland on this video? Is that where people go on vacation? What about going to Spain, Tenerife, Maldives they are actual vacation spots not bloody Disneyland 🤣
@@Farquad76.547Americans do. They spend 10k on a week in Disneyland and call it vacation, seriously
I been to disneyland, cheaper than a cruise.
I just went on a Princess Alaska cruise, and it was really amazing and definitely worth the money in my opinion. Also, it was really great how open they were about environmental issues and how they were aiming throughout the ship ways to lower that in the carbon emissions, (there were like pamphlets and videos about it) etc…
My boss and his wife went on an Alaskan cruise in early spring but it was a very small, really old ship with not many passengers, amazing service, and the ship was very environmentally aware like yours. Too bad all cruise ships aren't like that.
And what are they aiming to do when vs what are they doing now?
@@magnetpull7587 Princess is still horrible according to the Friends of Earth, but among the better ones. Also Alaskan bound ship tends to be slightly cleaner and subject to strictier regulations than say, Carribean.
@@steinwaldmadchen Thank you but I am honestly interested in the actual measures taken, like, do they try to get a cleaner fuel, just stick to regulations, get better filters etc
Unlimited drinks on a cruise typically require purchasing a beverage package. On Carnival cruises, these packages can cost around $65 per person, per day. It's important to note that some packages may have limitations, such as a 15-drink maximum. Additionally, cruises often have a mandatory daily gratuity which can be around $15. Factoring in these additional costs can increase the overall price of your cruise beyond the initial ticket price (e.g., a $500 ticket could become $630 with gratuity). Not to mention if you do anything outside of the base price then the cost could skyrocket. Wifi is like $20 a day.
20$ a day for wifi? that is insane
@@wishandwatch If people need it or want it, what else are they going to do?
@@wishandwatch tbf $20 a day is comparable to international flights, which employ similar satellite technologies.
Also do note that until the recent advancement of starlink, fast affordable internet is next to impossible, and that's universal to all ships - ferries, freighters,, research ships etc.
Cruise lines do mark up but probably not intentionally want to rip you off for this case. It's also not in their interest to do that either.
Do they really use the oxymoron Mandatory Gratuity? That's dark.
There's a problem with your argument.. if you like travel and not cruises, you are endorsing flying planes....
Cruises are still better than planes in terms of efficiency, so .. ?
While I can agree that cruises in turn are bad for the environment, literally all modes of travel are bad for the environment. Travel is a luxury we get in the modern age and I feel this video hinges far too much on why cruising "isn't real travel" when I can promise you that college students tooling around Europe or a family traveling to Mexico or the Philippines are experiencing almost the exact same level of depth as any cruise tourist even after being somewhere for probably much longer. This is an issue of tourism rather than just cruises.
Secondly, I can appreciate the ease argument, but many people I know don't cruise because it's easier. It's because it's faaaaar cheaper for what you get. As much as I appreciate river and small boat cruises, the Uncruise line recommended in this video is over 5 times more expensive than the one I went on last year, assuming go with the cheapest package taking a similar route and duration and only go by myself. If I bring anyone else, it's leagues more as most cruise lines give you a deal on a second person, Uncruise does not (for the trip I took to Alaska). For context, the cruise I took cost around $2000 for two people. the same cruise for Uncruise is over $10,000. And that is just unaffordable to anyone but the richest people. Are there standard cruises where the extra wealthy get this opportunity, yes. Like any industry the wealthy will do what they want, but on the last cruise I went on, over half of the people I met were on fixed incomes and were treating this as a like big saving splurge or were a part of a big family that couldn't afford much more. These are people who scrounge up funds and dollars to have a way to see a ton of places all at once, since they might not even get the chance to sightsee for the next few years. Once again, this is an issue of classism when it comes to pretty much any form of travel. The rich can afford the "cleaner, nicer, more authentic" versions.
The last issue with being trapped is partially true. Having had friends who worked on cruises, they don't get tons of breaks but many port days often allow the workers to leave and also visit the city that they stopped in. They understand the benefit of being able to travel and work, and a lot of them did enjoy it. This is obviously anecdotal, but even the cruise workers I got to meet and interact with often left the boat and we'd see them around the port town. But if you quit you are often just dropped off at the next port. You're trapped in so far as you'd need to fly home afterwards, but it's not often that that lasts more than a few days if you quit just as the ship sets off to sea. This is not also not a lucrative job, and the workers definitely deserve more rights and better wages, but to have a job that pays, food, housing and travel is a trade off people are willing to make and I've known a lot of like young twenty somethings who do exactly that.
If you're reading this and you disregard my point just because I have been on a cruise, then that's fine, but this is just to point out things that were overlooked in the research for this video.
But I guess just like most things in modern consumerism, we underpaid for the stuff / service we use and just outsource the issue elsewhere.
@@steinwaldmadchen I understand. My issue more comes from the fact that there is no equivalent thing for people with lower incomes. Ethicality is not an issue of something being cheap either. Nike pays the workers that make their shoes pennies, and yet they sell for hundreds... Spending more =/= better wages.
Yes, they are flagged in tax friendly countries much like US corp. on land put their headquarters or incorp. in Delaware. They pay port taxes, and anything sold while in US waters is taxed. Virtually all states apply taxes when the ship is in port. Upselling in the goal of any sales organization. In my history of 35 cruises, I have found pricing of drinks and specialty dining is comparable to what is on land at resorts. What you didn't mention is "choice". It is possible to cruise for no more than the cost of the ticket, taxes and port fees. You don't have to participate in the activities that cost extra. Do some more study on the way cruise ships handle their sewage, and if they are completely unregulated, why are they fined when they dump sewage that hasn't been treated? A small island like Cozumel realizes over $500M in tourist revenue. They may have a different opinion of cruise ships than those people in Canada. Does Uncruise offer Broadway shows, casinos, multiple entertainment venues, Multiple dining opportunities, etc.?
You make some very good points on the environmental issues, but overall, the video was very one sided and, on some topics, maybe uninformed.
I've been on a "cruise" twice in my life. In 2017 I used a ship (Queen Mary 2) to travel to the US from Europe and back. That was an amazing way to travel and I just wish there were regular ocean liner services across the Atlantic. No jet lag, very relaxing atmosphere, just reading books, sitting in clubs drinking sherry and eating pretty good food at the restaurants. After a 7-day voyage I was refreshed and ready for my month-long road trip across America. On the other hand, I am not sure I would want to spend the week (or more) just hopping from port to port a few miles apart going nowhere.
The QM2 is the antithesis if a Carnival cruise. I'm hoping to make the crossing to England next year. I'm 74 and been dreaming of it since I was a child.
@@Spucky50 Interestingly Carnival now owns Cunard, while their CEO and chief engineer were heavily involved in QM2's construction.
Okay, may be true, but missing a lot. You get upsells at your hotel or amusement park or even flying to anywhere. So that's not a "cruise industry " thing alone.
The US is the #1 cruise country because of population and the fact we have more ports to handle cruise ships than anywhere in the world and the only one that can do so from both the atlantic and pacific to support a large number of ships.
Next, you can't do a 3 or 4 day vacation as cheaply ANY other way. Include food, lodging, entertainment, transportation and be relatively safe.
As far as "exploited" employees, nobody shanghaied them on these ships. They signed up willingly. If they don't like it, yes, they can't leave immediately, but just like those guys on fishing boats, they do one season and never come back. It's no more than Nike and other companies, using countries to make their products that later are found to use child labor as well as avoid taxes and tariffs. I avoid all upsells easily the only time when I do extra, is when there's a good value. Like certain restaurants, that for under $100, I can get a meal and service that equals a land based eatery that would change multiple hundreds for the same thing. Or pay for an excursion that will give me more than I can do on my own.
Most of the entertainment IS included. The shows, the water slides, even the zip line were all included. Things like a race track, yes, that's extra. Also, only the biggest ships are a billion dollars, most ships are under that level.
Places that have gotten rid of cruises lost money and businesses closed. But as ships evolve to LNG or LPG to run cleaner these things will decrease over time. Also, it would be better if governments made provisions for ships to dump responsibly if they don't want it done wrong. Just like RV's have to hook up to dump, so should cruise ships. The solutions are there, just not being implemented across the board.
I used to tell my late husband two things he will never do take out a life insurance policy without my permission. Second thing take me on a cruise. I refuse to be pushed over and unaccounted for.😂
Late husband O_o
In 2005 a crew man fell overboard from our cruise. We circled back and got them.
@@singular9 Wouldn't put it past them to dock their pay for not working !
I’m sorry for your loss.
@@RayDrawzDragonz thank you 🙏🏻
Can you make a video about youtubers that creates huge digital pollution with 2160p 4K videos. Because who needs that level of video for non cinematographic contents ?
This doesn't even dive (no pun intended) into all the liability issues that could pop up should anything happen to you or your family. Incidents happen on international waters, so insurance companies aren't keen on payouts if anything goes wrong. And I mean "when shit hits the fan" situations like life insurance implications where insurance can weasel out of paying 10s if not 100s of thousands of dollars.
While I do appreciate some of the key points raised in this video, I didn't appreciate some of the generalizations being made about people that enjoy cruising; Making fun of people and calling cruisers basically 'heartless', telling the viewer that cruising is bad for you because cruisers are partaking in 'excess' and 'comfort', and 'shutting off your brain' these are all really unfortunate pretty naive generalizations being made that are just not fair or accurate. The video suggests an idealism about travel: that travel is all about "expanding your mind" and "getting out of your comfort zone" and "learning". That sounds good, but listen: People travel for all kinds of different reasons. This is YOUR reason to travel, but it does not have to be everyones (reason). I also think the video is being a little bit unfair at cruising as an industry vs. everyone else. Upselling is not something that only cruises do. Having just got back from Disneyland, let me say, Walter and the Mouse are into it. Why do Cruises have to behave differently than all other tourism industries? Also, calling it "deceptive marketing" is not really fair, in my opinion. I've seen nothing deceptive about marketing from most mainstream cruises. Everything you get, was spelled out clearly in the brochure, essentially. But yes, there is upselling, and there is marketing, more now than in the past. But end of day, nothing deceptive that I see. It's really just "marketing", and 'marketing', is pretty normal in tourism. But on a positive note, I did appreciate the key points raised in this video about Canada, and the environment, and other impacts cruising has made to the world at whole.
It really is a genuis business model. Take a butt tonne of people somewhere they can't escape from and imprison them in a cozy space that's a potential gold mine for further sales because there is nothing else to do.
There is a shitload to do that is included. Some lines like Norwegian are very upcharge heavy. Others like Princess are much more all inclusive.
@@digdougx Fair enough, I've got no experience in this 👍
@@elone3997 Fair. Each line is different and has their own way of doing business. Some are amazing (Royal Caribbean) and some are trash (MSC).
It's only a sale or an upcharge if you, the customer, consents to it. But observe. Americans will shun a 1-2 dollar sale of junk and trinkets on the islands which are the natives' livelihood but bite down hard on that premium alcohol package "deal" for hundreds of dollars.
Great for groundnews to have the story about the whale.
But I still have so many questions about this.
😅😅
I have to politely disagree with the content of this video. We’ve Been on many cruises….at least twice a year….and have never been pressured into buying anything. Do they try to up sell you on tour packages and booze packages? Of course, it’s a business and like all business they exist to make money. I don’t buy the drink package as we find that pay as you go is a lot cheaper. We don’t buy the wifi package as we are on vacation and don’t need to know what our friends had for supper last night 😁…we let our friends and family know that we won’t be in touch as we’re away. If we want to send an email etc…we wait until we’re in port and use the internet available there. This brings up another issue. When we are in port we stay in the secure port area and do not go wandering off in town unless we are on a cruise line bus. Look at your travel advisories and see how many of these destinations are dangerous or unsafe because of the incidents of crime, murder, rape, pick pockets etc. this is the big reason that cruise companies are building their own resorts. Yes, it’s a money maker but they are great and safe and you still have a choice to explore on a cruise sanctioned tour. I know it’s nice to explore on your own but I have no interest in hiking through Mexico or Panama or taking a taxi in those areas to experience the local culture on my own as it is not safe. There are many videos on what ports to avoid, what scams to avoid and how to stay safe while in port. There are many videos on UA-cam from influencers who are not being paid or given free cruises so that they can put a positive spin on the cruise. I have to agree on a couple of points, though. Many popular ports are limiting the number of ships that can dock there….Copenhagen is building a new port away from the city and is limiting the number of ships to one per day. Cities are also enacting laws forcing ships to turn off their engines and plug into the new shore power that they now supply. Ships are very wary of dumping anything at sea and can face thousands of dollars in fines if caught as well as the media storm that would damage their reputation. They do not dump their poop in Canadian waters! Check out the many documentaries on how these ships are run. All waste is contained and offloaded once in port. Another point…..every ship in the world…cruise, container, tanker, freighter etc is foreign flagged for the same reasons you gave. To avoid the heavy taxes that would cut into the bottom line…just as huge companies place their head offices in Ireland. When docked in the U.S. or Canada they have to follow all regulations and laws of those countries.
As far as the people working on these ships they are not the slaves you make them out to be. We talk and interact with the staff that serve us and they are treated well. Case in point…on a recent Celebrity cruise we spoke with our server in the dining room who is from Trinidad. Her family and friends tried to talk her out of getting a job on a cruise ship citing the bad treatment she would get. It was the total opposite. She shares a nice cabin with another girl, they have their own recreation area, dining area , health care, decent wages ( to her) a HR person to report to with any issues. Celebrity flies her home first class to see her family and flies her back to whatever port her ship will be in. She is allowed to bring her family on board for a vacation a couple of times a year. She says the crew is great and she has always been treated well and loves her job despite the long hours. Ok, I’ve rambled on long enough. And yes, I am biased in my opinion but I still urge people to do their research. Too many comments from people who have a friend of a neighbour of an uncle who heard that or were told this….As I’ve already said…there are lots of great sites giving fair and honest opinions on cruises…., Life Well Cruised, Just Don, JJ Cruise, Emma Cruises and Cruise with Ben and David ( my favourite) as just a few. Check them out.
I know it has its downsides. But there is something fascinating about this ridiculous kind of vacation which one should have experienced. Just enjoy in moderation and choose your route / ship wisely.
I was with you right up until you started defining cruising as not travel. That’s the kind of snobbery that just undermines the message
I don't have a lot of experience with cruise ships, me (31 yo) and my wife (30 yo) just did our first one last month with Costa around the Greek islands and Turkey and I can tell you about our experience, be mindful this is an experience in Europe, not America as this video is mostly oriented to.
Technically most of what was said in this video is true, we noticed employees working in fact 12h+ shifts, like our assigned dinner waiter also did Lunch and breakfast, and we overheard them talking to each other about how many hours they were doing, it's unfortunate they have these conditions, and even though they don't work year long, some of these cruise ships can go for months always over the same routes, it's exausting and I don't envy their work at all.
About expenses, it's only a half truth that you'll spend a lot inside the ship, it is indeed designed to make you spend more once you're inside, but if you know better that's not the case, I've have only bought 2 things while inside the cruise, and knowing what I know now, I would spend even less. I basically bought an excursion pack and a water pack.
The excursions they offer are not all worth it, for example if the city we are visiting is just by the harbour, you can do it all yourself without a guide telling you stuff, just do your own research and find out on your own. Now if transport is required to reach some attraction and you have to pay for entrance in some places then I would say just buy their excursion as doing all that on your own won't be that much cheaper, and by booking with them you know you won't have any schedule constraints and the ship will wait in the case of unforeseen events, that's not the case when doing stuff on your own.
We also bought the water pack, mostly because of my wife who is pregnant and they advise not to consume water that's not bottled, in every meal outside dinner, you have filtered water available at all times which is free. We didn't buy the drink pack as it was way too expensive, my wife can't drink alcohol obviously and I wouldn't drink nearly as much to pay off the cost.
All of this to say we basically didn't buy any consumables onboard, and we only paid for internet by the minute if we really needed to get online, we ended up only paying about 10€, much cheaper than the 120€ for the whole stay. And there are lots of free fun activities to experience onboard, or you can just chill.
About tourists in port locations, I can't say you're wrong, but there are shitty tourists in everywhere, cruise ships just happen to bring a greater amount at the same time to one location, from our experience, most of the people in cruises are 50+ yo, you would expect them to know how to behave, but the truth is they don't, most of them are rude, cut in lines all the time and speak very loud, oh well, you just have to learn how to deal with them as well behaved tourists on board have to deal with them as well.
Now about "cruise ships is not actually travelling" this where I fully disagree. You think that just by not having to worry about meals and transport and having a bit of comfort, I'm not out of my comfort zone? To me being in a foreign country alone is getting out of my comfort zone, my anxiety goes haywire during my trip while I don't get to my destination. Also I am in a boat that visits multiple locations, I go to said locations and learn a bit about the buildings and history there, that's travelling and you can't tell me otherwise.
Sure you are limited in some ways, for example you can't experience the night life, as you have to be on the ship by that time, but that's not what I want to get the most out of travelling anyway, it all depends on what you want to get out of it.
Would you also say people that go to a beach resort location and just stay there are not travelling? Never seen anyone complaining about that and yet, they do way less than people on cruise ships.
In a week I managed to visit more places than in years of independent travels, and I spent as much as going to only one of those locations in the process, so yeah, cruising is appealing and for a good reason. Me and my wife had the best vacation we ever had in years, much better than Cape Verde last year where we figured out resort vacation is just not for us.
So yeah, pardon me, but I am going to be the "Bronx guy" and continue doing affordable and enjoyable vacation, and I'm not ashamed of it, looking forward for my next cruise (maybe in America next time?) sometime in the future.
I welcome negativity towards cruising because the prices and occupancy rates have exploded since 2022, so if less sail then these metrics will come back down to reasonable levels
on overcharging, I have a friend who works at a tourist stop (sight-seeing train). They do some trips that just cater to cruise passengers, and they've started asking out of interest how much their passengers paid for a ticket, because it's different every time. The train has a standard price of I think USD$90, which is what they charge the cruise ships, but the cruise passengers buy their ticket through the cruise line, the most I've heard of them paying is USD$450. The cruise line isn't even organising transport from the port to the station, the rail line does that.
In regards to the 💩 being dumped all cruise lines purify the “black water” to a standard better than on land so I don’t see why that is a problem.
Cruise Ships dumping waste in Victoria waters is probably the lesser issue for your waters there, where does the regular sewage get dumped? Into the ocean but hey lets blame cruise ships first.... hahahahaha
The video promised to, but then never got around to, talking about non-externalized negatives, i.e. why taking a cruise would be bad for the actual passenger. The only item there was "constant barrage of upselling".
Probably should have mentioned the norovirus, influenza, and COVID that everyone gets on those things. I just got off a cruise and pretty much everyone left with COVID or the flu. No one mentioned norovirus but you don't tend to talk about your crippling diarrhea.
This is just about the worst hack piece I've ever seen on a UA-cam channel. The restrictions on the number of cruise ship travelers per day is just to manage capacity. I'm not sure if you made any valid complaints that wouldn't be worse with any other form of travel. Heck even the "independent study" you cite, was paid and prepared for by an environmental group specifically targeting cruising.
Travelers that arrive by plane must not poop, or create trash, and their plane must not generate any emissions, not to mention they must only travel by bike or solar powered electric vehicle while visiting.
My family is from an island heavily dependent on cruise tourism, of course if we had 20 boats show up every day it would be impossible for our small community to deal with that many visitors. But their visits help fund conservation and breeding programs for endangered species and provide jobs for a largely unskilled/uneducated workforce. A single round trip ticket to fly to the island from the closest airport is 400 dollars, while a 4 day cruise that visits the island and is all inclusive costs less than that.
This whole channel is, “ya know that thing ya love, well let me tell ya how it’s terrible”.
This video screams “I did enough research just about what I wanted to build my preexisting narrative but not enough to actually understand the topic I’m talking about and not spread misinformation.”
It’s crawling with big and small inaccuracies that give away the fact that a lot more research probably should have been done and a wider variety of people should have been consulted before this video was created.
Let’s just say, the sponsored segment in the middle of the video was EXTREMELY ironic as he did not get the “diverse perspectives” the website boasts.
This video will do very well among those who already subscribe to the same preexisting narrative.
Noticing that all you do is complain and not offer the “diverse perspective” that you’re asking for. This is only one of many videos and documentaries since the 70s that have made the same issues clear. I know this because I’m old enough to have watched them and also done my own research.😮
There is a cruise for almost every taste and budget. These mega liners are all mass market entry level cruises. For those who want better but cannot afford their own yachts, Silversea, Seadream, Regent, Paul Gauguin etc. all offer a much better experience and compensate their staff more fairly.
I went on my first cruise 2 months ago for a week and it was a blast highly recommend it to anyone wanting to try something new on vacation
It appears there's a lot of complaining without offering any viable solutions other than abandoning an entire industry. While this approach may generate views, it doesn't contribute much to solving the problem at hand.
I’ve determined from watching Bright Sun Travel videos that cruises seem like a miserable experience and I refuse to go on one.
With the right about of money, the right drink package and the right travel companions it does really look like it could be a blast. Just keep drinking.
Hey Levi - awesome educational content!
Found you randomly, and: also live in Victoria (James Bay even, lol).
So agreed with your points about cruise controversy & unsustainable shadows, and liked the concrete numbers for Victoria.
I rather travel individually & connect with local culture & language.
Will check out more of your vids.
Cruises are so fun. I talked with workers how they liked their jobs and no one said they didnt like their job. They did say they didnt like being away from family for so long (Carnival)
Obviously they won't say anything bad about their employer. It's probably in their contract - they are often hired from countries like Philippines, so it's not like the people have better options with higher pay waiting at home, so I'm not saying they aren't happy to be working, but I'd not take their word for it while on duty as the unfiltered truth.
@@TulilaSalome I'll add to that by saying that I doubt the cruise company would help them get back to their home country if they were fired and kicked off the ship at some random port. It's not in their interests to complain to passengers.
I enjoy your content but sheesh all you do is complain!
Need to address several of your issues. First off not all ships are mega ships, only the newer ones. They are the ones causing issues with a lot of the ports and most likely will become more like all inclusive land resorts, where they have you 100% of the time in their bubble. Even then are those ships any different than vacations in Disney Land, Las Vegas and such? Cruising is travel, many times taking you to places that are just too small or remote to justify otherwise. I've often used cruising as a travel sampler to check out a location to see if I would actually enjoy it enough to do a land trip there. Yes they upsell, but so does almost every other hotel and resort! Then there is labor, you need to compare apples to apples! The employees sign on for a contracted amounts of time, then are returned home to spend months with their families. The pay might be considered low in comparison to what we are use to, but for many they are earning much more than they could in their home country. Also crew is allowed to get off ship at ports. You make it sound like the are in the middle of the ocean for weeks on end, but the reality there aren't that many cruises that even cross an ocean and when they do they seldom are at sea for more than a week. Most ships will port 3 to 5 days on a 7 day cruise. - Pollution you do know that ships have started plugging in to local power so the can cut off the engines when in port? You do know they don't dump raw sewage into the water?
My wife insisted on doing a cruise for her sabbatical (she did 2 before with her parents). I didn't wanna go because of all the reasons that are also stated in this video. However, we compromised. I agreed we go on a cruise where you can literally only go by ship. So we booked a trip to the Antarctic with Hurtigruten. They have two of only a handful hybrid ships in the world, 400 passenger max, 50 max on land. The have a desalination plant on board for fresh water and the excess heat of that heats the water on the entire ship. 25 scientists from marine biologists to ornithologists and historians would give lectures and actively involve you in experiments. Absolutely life-changing experience.
Levi, you are the most depressing dude alive!
Maybe I don’t want to travel with “the intent to learn and gain an appreciation”, maybe I want to relax and be catered to. And as far as backpacking, you’d still find fault with destroying the environment or invading a culture. It’s your nature and your job, you’re pessimistic and look for problems.
Sooo cruising is evil, got it. What form of vacation would YOU take? What is Levi approved travel? Remember, no negative impact on the environment, no affecting other cultures, no exploitation, no upselling, and no commercialism, but travel with intent and appreciation!
Ready? Set? Go!
As much as I enjoy your videos, have a word with whoever does your captions. All these typos make you look bad. Proper spelling: 1:50 performances 1:52 activities 2:28 accommodation 9:57 that's 11:21 communities
1am on a work night? Yeah alright, ill watch a video about a thing I wouldn't do if you paid me to 😂
youtube always sucks you in during the wee hours 🤦♂
I love them..this guy sips his beer with a straw..
If you don't like cruising, or can't afford it, don't do it.
The 9 month cruise wasn’t a thing.
Tik tokers tried to make it a thing but they all failed.
I never undestood the appeal of cruise ships because they just drive to a certain area, then they just leave. I want to actually be able to *go* to Mexico or something for more than 30 minutes, before being forced into a massive boat again.
You've never been on one, if you think that
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The ship itself is an attraction too with its many onboard activities. But to each its own. Having been to Mexico, I have no interest in getting off the ship to see it again on future trips. And also, they give you hours to visit, not just 30 mins.
The cruise ship itself has so much to do too. It’s half the appeal and the rest is the ports.
@@xiaopeapod My friend has been on a cruise a lot and is only able to go off the port for like half-an-hour. They just might just be going on a different type of cruise though.
5000 people on one boat or 5000 cars on the road. And every crew member on the boat that I have ever talked to said they make good money for the work. And since there food and boarding are included in there work they end up sending most of there paycheck home to there families.