@@AstaDarling The viktorian time is one of the most interesting in history. It was the gate for the industrial times and doorstep to our modern world. And the rich people were so beautifully dressed. Thanks for showing us how many layers of fabric even the housmaids wore. Must have been warm to work wrapped up like an onion in all that layers, so no need to put one's butt near the fireplace any more!
Enjoy it while you can, California liberals want to ban all wood-fired/oil-fired heating systems including fireplaces and force everyone to be cold in the winter
I love these. You bring the humanity into all those historical pictures. Real people were under all that just like us. Sometimes they start to look so different we forget we are really the same at the beginning & end.
I think that’s interesting how times has change not just on social factors but environmental ones too. For example, given we no longer live in times of modesty but instead comfort, we wear less more breathable clothing. As for physical factors, given climate change has lead to global warming, imagine wearing all those layers! I just think its really amazing how humans are able to adapt!
@@Anonymous-hv2zc To be modest, one doesn't need layers of clothes... This generation wear less clothes for attention, it have nothing to do with comfort or global warming...
What's funny is that up until about the 1910's, both rich and poor people would have worn the same cut of fabric, in a different fabric. Meaning, a maid for a rich family would wear the exact same dress as a lower class maid, but in silk instead of wool or linen.
@@tenjou0 this! There were *some* modifications in cut, though, to account for the needs of someone who labored for a living vs. someone who did not. Their skirts were often a bit shorter, for instance, and the puffy 1890s sleeves seen here are less extreme than a fashionable upper class woman would have worn. Overall, though, the silhouettes are effectively the same, just scaled up or down for practicality's sake.
@@tenjou0why would silk be more ex0ensive than wool? From a practical standpoint, silk just looks, well, shiny? Wool would keep you warm, while linen would be cool i guess?
My triple-great grandmother was a housemaid in the 1800s (probably more the 70s/80s though) and rumor has it that the landlord’s son got her pregnant (although, whoever the father was, she took it to the grave) so she had to hide her pregnancy to avoid being seen as scandalous, and then, on the day her daughter (my great-great grandmother) was born, she had to go through a blizzard to bring her to her brother and his wife, who then raised the baby as theirs.
@@peanutbutterandcoffee "Well dressed" and "Dressed for 40 degrees celsius" are two different things. Worn polyester suits in 40 degrees because I've been made to, that alone is horrible
These videos make us feel grateful for being modern girls /women , Little by little, we are discovering why so many women sacrificed for the sake of achieving equality between women and men, and we feel grateful to each and every one of them, no matter how small their contribution is 🥺🤧
Girls, if I am unpopular it's to make a point: there's no equality because when nature conspires there's nothing we can do. It helps to think that we have the value we attribute ourselves. And that we teach people this value. If not, they (your son, the men in your life) will do small things that make you feel worthless, ...in thousands of small details that do count. It will happen in any case, with no malice. That is why, women, we fix our own value and stick to it. Strength, friendship and ...unity!❤
It's a shame they wouldn't feel grateful for you. From slaves to their family and children to now slaves to the corporations and the state. I think they would vomit at how pathetic modern women have become.
@@mushy470 I thought it was like the duster for chalkboards, traps the dust then you go outside to shake the dust out after every use Edit: granted I learned to dust with a damp rag so there’s that bias
@@lovelasnow yeah a damp rag is actually more effective imo. It's just those fluffy looking dusters that don't really store dust and just move it about
Not that I was ever been a housemaid but as a genuine southern Belle I've hiked my skirt and backed up to a fire a many 'a time!! ❤ Love Victorian! Awesome video!
Её наряды всегда радуют... коллекция всех времен и всех сословий.... Смотрю с большим интересом, это ещё и невероятный труд. Спасибо за возможность, всё это наблюдать!
It's amazing they worked so hard and still took the time to dress so well and with so many layers of clothes. It still seems impractical to me, but what was practical for them in that era was completely different to our own standards. I've always been so fascinated by the fashions and peculiar habits of the past. Thanks for this. You look very pretty and proper!
They had to wear the uniform clothes given to them by their employers and appropriate for their job. Fashion didn't come into it. There was no central heating, just the fires which the maids had to clean and maintain (ashes removed, fireplace swept, fire laid with fresh paper, kindling and either logs or coal. They had to wear the uniform clothes given to them by their employers and appropriate for their job. Fashion didn't come into it. There was no central heating, just the fires which the maids had to clean and maintain (ashes removed, fireplace swept, fire laid with fresh paper, kindling and either logs or coal, which meant lots of carrying stuff up and down stairs) sometimes in every room, sometimes only in specific rooms (which didn't always include the servants' bedrooms), depending on how well-off the employers were. And the houses were draughty because of sash windows, chimneys, gaps around doors and windows and of course no insulation. They atte6 Cjúmpted to minimise draughts by putting curtains over windows and doors, draught-stoppers (fabric sausages stuffed with things like rags or lentils) at the bottom of doors and, of course, wore multiple layers in order to stay warm (lots of thin layers with air in between being better than a few thick layers), which meant lots of carrying stuff up and down stairs) sometimes in every room, sometimes only in specific rooms (which didn't always include the servants' bedrooms), depending on how well-off the employers were. And the houses were draughty because of sash windows, chimneys, gaps around doors and windows and of course no insulation. They attempted to minimise draughts by putting curtains over windows and doors, draught-stoppers (fabric sausages stuffed with things like rags or lentils) at the bottom of doors and, of course, wore multiple layers in order to stay warm (lots of thin layers with air in between being better than a few thick layers), and long skirts. (Shorter skirts only came in with fabric rationing due to war.)
Women wore many.layers .For warmth,to keep top dress clean ,forodrsty Ost wen didn't wear underwear) not invented yet) until a certain time They didn't have to remove their clothing to get raped. I've studied hx a lot and esp women's issues and how badly they were treated. They were blamed if they were raped Still that way in 1970' s! Women always blamed
I always wondered why women didn’t have underwear like we have today much earlier in time because with the period blood I see it as much more practical. I always wondered how they dealt with it. Haven’t found that much information on the topic up until now. 🤔
my grandma was born 1891. I have a 100% pure fine silk garment she sewed by hand hanging on the dor to my sewing room. it's a tiny bedchamber top that was worn over a bed gown. Victorian maids worked very, very, long hours. Slept in maids quarters tucked under eves of houses. If they failed at the relentless 16+ hour days - FIRED.
Я всегда думала, как люди не мерзли в те времена в такой изящной одежде, особенно зимой. Теперь я спокойна))) так много слоев оказывается и ткани были натуральными и согревпли их. А у нас теперь всего 1 слой))). Ну ладно с бельем 2 слоя. 💜
Warming by the fire at the beginning, had me rolling. 🤣 I noticed everything was put on over the nightgown/slip, nothing under it. 🤔 So underneath the fancy outfits, house maids were going commando?
By the Victorian period women were wearing bloomers under their skirts, and corsets (bras not invented) over the top of their shifts - you could see her putting her corset on in this episode. They didn't start wearing the equivalent to knickers until the 17th Century (even during their periods. Yuck!!). And draughty.
The corsets that myths that seems uncomfortable are those in the historical drama and paper from victorian doctors where the medical treatment was not advance and has lots of assumptions. That's a myth about torture/killer corsets. Just 1. Dont tight-lace 2. Wear the corsets of your own size not for someone who is 2 times smaller than you Don't forget that there are working class/ big sized/ sportswomen in victorian era. Those people don't have maids and thay can wear corsets too!
Stairs in Victorian homes were a silent killer. Especially the servant ones that were crammed in the back and weren't meant to be seen. There was no regulation on them. Now imagine going down badly build, uneven stairs in your heels, your heavy skirt and probably a basket of laundry ...
I think sometimes people don’t stop and I think I’m one person doing the best I can. Tbf Housemaids also didn’t stand around getting dressed in front of a camera.
While I love the fancy clothes from the past, I love working outfits a lot more, it gives a better impression of people's day to day life, and the jobs that people did.
you really know how to take us back in time! crushed this look as always 🥰
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to take everyone time traveling with me!
wow UA-cam !!!
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@@AstaDarling The viktorian time is one of the most interesting in history. It was the gate for the industrial times and doorstep to our modern world. And the rich people were so beautifully dressed. Thanks for showing us how many layers of fabric even the housmaids wore. Must have been warm to work wrapped up like an onion in all that layers, so no need to put one's butt near the fireplace any more!
okay so can I also get this job to scroll and comment. ☺🙂
It’s so strange how clothes can make a person look so different at the end
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And hair
You must be a boy
Also the hairstyle
Indeed
She really said, "I ain't doing shyt til my ass is warm" and i felt that. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are yaar
aag 🔥 bhi soch rha hoga "Ye sab kya dekhna pad rha hai, acha hai ki mein andha hu...👀⚠️" 🤣🤣
After that she covered herself in 5 layers. 😮
@@soumensantuOgres have layers
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the fact she did her hair herself?❤
Yes! We need a tutorial on that updo!!!😀👍
I'd like to see a video of just that 😊
1890s: Victorian Maid
2020s: French Maid
Just her toasting her buns casually 😂😂😂😂😂
I was searching for someone like me in the comments
Me too 🤣🤣🤣
Or release a fart that's been unreleased for a long ⌛️ time.
@@jenniferoviawe explosion/fire hazard from the methane content 😂
@Eyo Ekpenyong I'm telling you. Or the silent killer, lol. The worst.
the pure face of joy as the bottom has warmed.
Enjoy it while you can, California liberals want to ban all wood-fired/oil-fired heating systems including fireplaces and force everyone to be cold in the winter
Most of us can't imagine life without central heating.
I love these. You bring the humanity into all those historical pictures. Real people were under all that just like us. Sometimes they start to look so different we forget we are really the same at the beginning & end.
That look when she was warming things up..... priceless. Some things time can't change. ❤
1980s : We need clothes
Now : We don't need clothes at all.
I think that’s interesting how times has change not just on social factors but environmental ones too. For example, given we no longer live in times of modesty but instead comfort, we wear less more breathable clothing.
As for physical factors, given climate change has lead to global warming, imagine wearing all those layers!
I just think its really amazing how humans are able to adapt!
@@Anonymous-hv2zc To be modest, one doesn't need layers of clothes... This generation wear less clothes for attention, it have nothing to do with comfort or global warming...
@@Superman-lx5fn stop the bs maybe people just have the OPTION now to wear what they think is pretty and its nog for attention but for themselves
@@lynn-Ryo Hollywood sets the standard and trends for what's pretty and what's not... Girls in this generation just go with the flow...
@@Superman-lx5fn yeh the point is they do that cause they think its pretty and they want to wear it
When even the maid has fancier clothing then you 😢
I mean, maid in a rich house was a pretty prestige profession for working class women
What's funny is that up until about the 1910's, both rich and poor people would have worn the same cut of fabric, in a different fabric.
Meaning, a maid for a rich family would wear the exact same dress as a lower class maid, but in silk instead of wool or linen.
Having maids with dress codes are for rich people
@@tenjou0 this! There were *some* modifications in cut, though, to account for the needs of someone who labored for a living vs. someone who did not. Their skirts were often a bit shorter, for instance, and the puffy 1890s sleeves seen here are less extreme than a fashionable upper class woman would have worn. Overall, though, the silhouettes are effectively the same, just scaled up or down for practicality's sake.
@@tenjou0why would silk be more ex0ensive than wool? From a practical standpoint, silk just looks, well, shiny? Wool would keep you warm, while linen would be cool i guess?
My triple-great grandmother was a housemaid in the 1800s (probably more the 70s/80s though) and rumor has it that the landlord’s son got her pregnant (although, whoever the father was, she took it to the grave) so she had to hide her pregnancy to avoid being seen as scandalous, and then, on the day her daughter (my great-great grandmother) was born, she had to go through a blizzard to bring her to her brother and his wife, who then raised the baby as theirs.
Oh my goodness 😮
That's so cool! She was a very strong woman
Do you guys know if she willingly partook in such a scandalous act ?
What I mean is, was it romance that got her in that situation or 😮
@@lifeexpression5036 I don’t know.
oooo 😮
Just toasting her buns casually 😂
🤣
because you can't go through the day with frozen buns 🤣
My father (born in 1925) spoke about his grandmother (lived til 108yo+) doing this with their iron stove.
And why not? 👍🏻
I do this every time I come in from the street in winter, put my ass as close to the fire as possible without burning XD
I Love how genuine and Real/Authentic this is !!
Oh thank you! I really tried!
@@AstaDarling You did a beautiful job!
My Mother grew up with woodburning fireplaces She said one side burned up and the other side froze. Pls keep making these lovely videos.
This maid is more well dressed than many of us sitting in baggie clothes 😅
Don't insult my baggie clothes, they are comfy
:)
Baggie clothes are much much better than the clothes (which are more of not clothes) people wear. I like old style , it was pretty and classy 😂🤎
Lol! Try wearing that in 40 degree celsius
@@peanutbutterandcoffee "Well dressed" and "Dressed for 40 degrees celsius" are two different things. Worn polyester suits in 40 degrees because I've been made to, that alone is horrible
Can you do a hair tutorial for these late victorian and edwardian hairstyles? Yours are very 😍
Yes! 👏🏽
Please please please
Pretty please! I also love the makeup look!
Yes
Agree. I wanted to learn how she did her hair all by herself.
This looks so perfect!!! It looks like you have gone back in time.
In a single word I'd have to say speechless she is so beautiful
髪のまとめ方が神✨
The amount of layers and full time housemaid. I DON’T know how they did that for so long. Hatts off
These videos make us feel grateful for being modern girls /women , Little by little, we are discovering why so many women sacrificed for the sake of achieving equality between women and men, and we feel grateful to each and every one of them, no matter how small their contribution is 🥺🤧
I really don’t believe clothing had anything to do with equal rights fight… women are still slaves of fashion and men have nothing to do with it.
Girls, if I am unpopular it's to make a point: there's no equality because when nature conspires there's nothing we can do. It helps to think that we have the value we attribute ourselves. And that we teach people this value. If not, they (your son, the men in your life) will do small things that make you feel worthless, ...in thousands of small details that do count. It will happen in any case, with no malice. That is why, women, we fix our own value and stick to it. Strength, friendship and ...unity!❤
Rightly said
Modern women are the worst women on planet earth!
It's a shame they wouldn't feel grateful for you. From slaves to their family and children to now slaves to the corporations and the state. I think they would vomit at how pathetic modern women have become.
What a beautiful video! You look amazing. I would love to see everyday 1890s fashion on you! ❤
When the housemaid looks like a queen 👑💀
I wanna play dressup in these clothes so bad!!
SAMEEEE! Sometimes I feel like I'm a kid
I love the background music for this! Really sets the whole aesthetic.
Me too what kind name the backgroung music i love very much❤❤❤❤
I’ve found that the real purpose of dusting is to put all the dirt on the ground so that it becomes easier to sweep everything up later
That's why it's cleaning "top to bottom"! :D
@@gwenndolyncampbell1560 yep. That's what was taught to me, from my mother that cleaned houses while going through college.
... what you think the purpose was? If you don't eventually get rid of the dust, you've just moved it around
@@mushy470 I thought it was like the duster for chalkboards, traps the dust then you go outside to shake the dust out after every use
Edit: granted I learned to dust with a damp rag so there’s that bias
@@lovelasnow yeah a damp rag is actually more effective imo. It's just those fluffy looking dusters that don't really store dust and just move it about
Not that I was ever been a housemaid but as a genuine southern Belle I've hiked my skirt and backed up to a fire a many 'a time!! ❤ Love Victorian! Awesome video!
Clothing back then was so cool with all the layers
I’m so happy to see these videos come back! I missed them and wondered where they went. The amount of clothes they wore was amazing!
I actually felt like I was teleported to the Victorian era
Loved it 😆 I'm so glad we have central heating now
Well, we also have far better insulated houses
www.youtube.com/@-Habijabi
Honestly if I had to put on that much stuff I wouldn't get out of bed
A girls gotta eat 😊
I hope i could live in that age where I can wear similar clothes to the one she worn. I really love them!
She looks so beautiful 😍
😮 I love your outfit! The dress is so beautiful! 💕
How I wish I lived that time
Are you sure about that? 😮
Probably a lot warmer with more layers on.
This actually very Extremely Satisfying.😍
I love this, it's elegant and professional. If I were a maid I would love to wear this as a uniform 🤗
Such a drastic change of a silouette :0
Right??? I wanted to try something new for a change 😅😅😅
@@AstaDarlingwhat the name that song i love so much
BROOO ULTIMATE RESPECT FOR THESE WOMEN CLEANING IN THAT?! I CANT EVEN CLEAN ONE ROOM IN MY HOUSE WITH A HOODIE AND SWEATPANTS...
In my country, we used 'daster' to clean our room.
I cannot imagine how hard it was to work with all those layers on. I can't even wear my bra when I clean. 😂
Those were the days without central heating and Europe is cold so it was very practical as well. ❤
@@healingandhypnotherapy1777 was warm though not practical
😂😂
Exactly 😂😂😂
But the corset ? Really ? What was the need..?😢
I'm exhausted just watching her get dressed! How did they do so much work in those outfits!
She looks like queen 👸❤
Can you pleas make a tutorial on that hairstyle ?
Edit: Love your videos❤❤
I’d live to see how you do your hair in this style!
Её наряды всегда радуют... коллекция всех времен и всех сословий.... Смотрю с большим интересом, это ещё и невероятный труд. Спасибо за возможность, всё это наблюдать!
А зачем она попу грела?😂😂
@@Stanislavskiy1985.....чтобы нам было веселей! Озорная, веселуха!
@@Stanislavskiy1985....чтобы нам было веселей! Я, этого не заметила. Наряд был важнее.
I can't imagine wearing so many layers!
I love the vase on the fireplace, clothes, and everything. ❤
1890s style slaps! Change my mind
It's amazing they worked so hard and still took the time to dress so well and with so many layers of clothes. It still seems impractical to me, but what was practical for them in that era was completely different to our own standards. I've always been so fascinated by the fashions and peculiar habits of the past. Thanks for this. You look very pretty and proper!
They had to wear the uniform clothes given to them by their employers and appropriate for their job. Fashion didn't come into it. There was no central heating, just the fires which the maids had to clean and maintain (ashes removed, fireplace swept, fire laid with fresh paper, kindling and either logs or coal. They had to wear the uniform clothes given to them by their employers and appropriate for their job. Fashion didn't come into it. There was no central heating, just the fires which the maids had to clean and maintain (ashes removed, fireplace swept, fire laid with fresh paper, kindling and either logs or coal, which meant lots of carrying stuff up and down stairs) sometimes in every room, sometimes only in specific rooms (which didn't always include the servants' bedrooms), depending on how well-off the employers were. And the houses were draughty because of sash windows, chimneys, gaps around doors and windows and of course no insulation. They atte6
Cjúmpted to minimise draughts by putting curtains over windows and doors, draught-stoppers (fabric sausages stuffed with things like rags or lentils) at the bottom of doors and, of course, wore multiple layers in order to stay warm (lots of thin layers with air in between being better than a few thick layers), which meant lots of carrying stuff up and down stairs) sometimes in every room, sometimes only in specific rooms (which didn't always include the servants' bedrooms), depending on how well-off the employers were. And the houses were draughty because of sash windows, chimneys, gaps around doors and windows and of course no insulation. They attempted to minimise draughts by putting curtains over windows and doors, draught-stoppers (fabric sausages stuffed with things like rags or lentils) at the bottom of doors and, of course, wore multiple layers in order to stay warm (lots of thin layers with air in between being better than a few thick layers), and long skirts. (Shorter skirts only came in with fabric rationing due to war.)
Holy shit!!!!!
Wondering how clothes can make a person look so different .~~>
great to see her warming up breakfast at the beginning 😍
Wow, so many layers 😮 Thx for showing us the clothing habits. I like your videos!
😂 😆 Hilarious and beautiful outfit!
I can't do house chores overdressed like that😂😂😂, these were the unspoken heroines.
In the start, I thought she was already at work and was secretly wearing her mistress's clothes without her knowing 💀
Yeah.. me too
Women wore many.layers
.For warmth,to keep top dress clean ,forodrsty
Ost wen didn't wear underwear) not invented yet) until a certain time
They didn't have to remove their clothing to get raped.
I've studied hx a lot and esp women's issues and how badly they were treated. They were blamed if they were raped
Still that way in 1970' s!
Women always blamed
Love watching you. Every video is an education!
Look at the happiness on her face it's so relaxing 😎
I always wondered why women didn’t have underwear like we have today much earlier in time because with the period blood I see it as much more practical. I always wondered how they dealt with it. Haven’t found that much information on the topic up until now. 🤔
my grandma was born 1891. I have a 100% pure fine silk garment she sewed by hand hanging on the dor to my sewing room. it's a tiny bedchamber top that was worn over a bed gown.
Victorian maids worked very, very, long hours. Slept in maids quarters tucked under eves of houses.
If they failed at the relentless 16+ hour days - FIRED.
Maids also wore chatelaines. Love the clothes during this time. People took pride in their appearance.
Я всегда думала, как люди не мерзли в те времена в такой изящной одежде, особенно зимой. Теперь я спокойна))) так много слоев оказывается и ткани были натуральными и согревпли их. А у нас теперь всего 1 слой))). Ну ладно с бельем 2 слоя.
💜
Amazing how you can switch from one period to another!
Warming by the fire at the beginning, had me rolling. 🤣
I noticed everything was put on over the nightgown/slip, nothing under it. 🤔 So underneath the fancy outfits, house maids were going commando?
By the Victorian period women were wearing bloomers under their skirts, and corsets (bras not invented) over the top of their shifts - you could see her putting her corset on in this episode. They didn't start wearing the equivalent to knickers until the 17th Century (even during their periods. Yuck!!). And draughty.
Beautiful representation. ❤
How beautiful it is ❤
Housemaid of Royals❤❤❤
Phantastic Music!
As someone who likes to put shoes and socks on first when I’m going to wear a petticoat or crinoline, thank you for this
very elegant
People are like: how did they do work in a corset?!?
Me: how on earth did they work in those heels!! Super powers ❤
The corsets that myths that seems uncomfortable are those in the historical drama and paper from victorian doctors where the medical treatment was not advance and has lots of assumptions. That's a myth about torture/killer corsets. Just
1. Dont tight-lace
2. Wear the corsets of your own size not for someone who is 2 times smaller than you
Don't forget that there are working class/ big sized/ sportswomen in victorian era. Those people don't have maids and thay can wear corsets too!
The working girls didn't have such high heels, I think that's 'modern' shoes
Stairs in Victorian homes were a silent killer. Especially the servant ones that were crammed in the back and weren't meant to be seen. There was no regulation on them. Now imagine going down badly build, uneven stairs in your heels, your heavy skirt and probably a basket of laundry ...
@@Korilian13 not to
mention aresenic in wallpaper and dyes
Love this. Love to go back in time
I love her hairstyle
I'm happy to see I'm not the only one that warms her buns like this. 😂❤
The sleeves look amazing❤
Where do you film all these is that your house?!
Ya I think she has a big beautiful house
I research and rent different locations to film in.
bridgerton music is so apt!!!!!!
So many layers! Omg! Must be difficult to move but looks fancy
Even maids back then were far classier than most of society today
The house maid made up the fire which died down overnight. She created the fire, she didn't wake up to a roaring blaze, she woke in the cold and dark.
💯
I think sometimes people don’t stop and I think I’m one person doing the best I can. Tbf Housemaids also didn’t stand around getting dressed in front of a camera.
Not necessarily, every maid had her own job. The lowest maid would usually made up the fire in the morning and even wake up the other servants.
Rather be inside with the fire than outside in the cold chopping the firewood. Or getting shot at in a war
Now I know why house staff had to get up at the crack of dawn, it would take me half an hour just to get my underclothes ready.
Oh Lord!
The shopping bills for this maid alone must have man a man shudder!
I need this maid😂😂😂
I luv the old Victorian times. They were just so magical...💓💖🌹💗💕
So cute the way she smiles after heating her 🍑. 😆
😅 по сторонам посмотрела😊
Truely beautiful
Wow that's a lot of layers 😮
She's a good hairstylist as well 👏👏
India Wala like kro 🤣🤣😂
I could never wear so many layers, I'd be dripping all day, and the mistress wouldn't know why 😂
80's: More clothes & min.1 hour to get ready
2023: Less clothes still 1 hour to get ready
"80s"
восхищаюсь тем, как она так идеально уложила волосы....
Sleeves 1893. Love it!
Mesmerizing music ❣️💃💃💃
Anne with an E ❤ Omg it’s giving Diana’s house maid, she was so sweet
really so beautiful in 1890 I don't know.when I was see this very good dressed women,❤️
The layers ....so detailed ...
While I love the fancy clothes from the past, I love working outfits a lot more, it gives a better impression of people's day to day life, and the jobs that people did.