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The game has a lot of problems, specifically with the controls, however if you can get around that the game is quite great. The ability to make so many decisions that can affect the game makes it very replayable. From simple things like killing or not killing, to how you respond to questions they can alter how the story goes. It is a shame that the bugs and non polished nature of the game hurt it so much.
It's... good, but yeah, very unpolished, and it's not on my recommended video games list. Would rather have the game be remastered, if not remade these days.
I loved Alpha Protocol. Ran almost a dozen campaigns, half of which were recruit hard mode. The other half were veteran hard mode. Gameplay was complete ass if you didn't spec into pistols and stealth, but the story was so interactive I just fell head over heels in love with it. When I first arrived in the Taiwan hub and Omen Deng commented that my stealth suit doesn't blend well in a public subway, I immediately restarted the mission in casual clothes and he praised for good field work.
@@orangesoda4535 i always tried to get everyone to like me for the longest time until I found out that if you piss off Marburg enough it changes his boss fight. I need to do a playthrough where everyone hates me.
I'll just think of it as an offscreen moment of awesome and be done with it. Besides, even if a KotOR III does come out, it will be deemed as some sort of a letdown regardless of its reception.
Kotor 3 is the fandoms equivalent to a force wound from Kotor 2. We carry the weight of loss with us, and hear the echos of what may have been. I still consider kotor 2 to be a masterpiece and my favorite game/ star war story.
Kotor 2 is so good after you finish Peragus it just starts slow and is clearly unfinished. Still both kotors are probably both in my top 10 favorite games
Revan left Carth in control of the Republic fleet, Canderous in control of the Mandalorians, had HK-47 building leagues of assassin droids, could call on all of his companions, knew that his best strategist (Meetra Surik) was still out there, left lots of Sith infrastructure intact... he was preparing every corner of the galaxy to fight off a grand threat. Man, that would have been beautiful to play through
Imagine if we’d of got a fully finished game with the HK assassin droid factory added along with the droid planet M4-78 where we would of found Master Vash alive and had to redeem her Padawan Kaah Ohtok who fell to the dark side after being separated with Vash and thinking she was dead later learning that Vash and her Padawan also had a force bond. We’d of also had an extra companion in Devaronian Jedi Knight Dvakvar Grahrk who could of taken the lost Padawan that we find in the Dantooine ruins Kaevee as his Padawan plus having Ahrnell the force sensitive Twilek mercenary join us too becoming the exiles Padawan. I wish that Atton had betrayed Kreia by revealing to the exile that she had been blackmailing him using his past leading us to start questioning who she really is with Darth Sion revealing that Kreia was his and Darth Nihilus master until they betrayed her when we face him on Korriban with us having the option of redeeming Sion after defeating him in battle breaking the force bond with Kreia making her think the exile was killed by Sion before we return to the Ebon Hawk with Sion and are attacked by Kreia leading to the whole crew fighting Kreia alongside the exile and Sion being the one to defeat her with us taking her prisoner and turning her over to the returned Jedi council on Dantooine who are joined by Atris and her Handmaidens, before Visas Marr informs us that it’s time to face her master who’s attacking Telos and the Jedi Council sending us to avenge the fallen Jedi lost on Katarr with Darth Sion going into a bacta tank to heal his wounds letting go of his hatred and allowing his body to begin healing while we save Telos, redeem Colonel Tobin and defeat Darth Nihilus with Visas being the one to finish off her former Master before we return to Malachor where Mira defeats Hanharr a second time before convincing him to let go of his hate and become her ally and the exile destroys the planet using the Shadow generator a second time allowing the exile to let go of his past healing the force wound within him before we return to Dantooine and the Jedi council finding the Jedi academy full of familiar faces of Jedi who’d survived the purge and gone into hiding such as Carth’s son Dustil Onasi, Yuthura Ban, Jolee Bindo, Bastila Shan, Deesra Luur Jada, Juhani and Belaya, Bolook, Mekel, Kel Algwinn, Dak Vesser and Thalia May and the former Sith academy students we rescued in Kotor 1 as well as a healed Sion who joins the Jedi seeking to make up for his past as the council beginning to rebuild the order with the survivors and our companions leading into KOTOR 3
It could still be but it's possibility is low right now. The first thing that should be done is considering Swtor it's own story and not part of the established Kotor series.
@@thorshammer7883 agreed that would be a good start. I really did not like what they did to revan and the exile's characters in swtor or the novel at all
@@thorshammer7883 Yeah, agreed. Besides, SWTOR is a swiss cheese of plotholes, so the larger universe is better off if they remove SWTOR from the C-Canon of Legends
It always bugged me how the MMO killed off the exile. My issue is not that she died I could live with that it’s how they did it. To get stabbed in the back the way she did felt beneath her and lazy. The whole situation was literally one I felt that neither her or Revan would have been dumb enough to find themselves in
That entire book was a major character assassination for the Exile. Revan, not so much, because outside of Chris Avalon's hints in KotOR 2, there was never any canon traits or character given to him, as he was a complete stand-in for the player. The Exile was not, having a history, lore, and previous character arc already that she was already aware of in the game, not having had amnesia like Revan.
True, but some gameplay elements and mechanics will be changed for quality of life improvements. Examples would be pazaak being less unfair (but then again, save scumming will stay), Ebon Hawk turret missions can come back, but with XP gained for every kill and the fact that the computer mouse can be used instead of the keyboard arrow keys, and a way better old save bonus system compared to KotOR II (seriously, picking a Male Light Sided Revan always makes sure Bastila loves him... even though some playthroughs of the very first game might not have romanced Bastila).
@@100StarWars well, maybe minor things and qol improvements like quick save/load, sabacc, improved swoop racing and swoop bike customization that sort of thing, but nothing major or gameplay changing, I love kotor too much to change it. Well except for swoop racing, doesn't feel like race at all.
I hated the Revan book, and i always thought that the MMO sorta killed off the vibe in many ways, especially with all the Valkorion and the Zakuul route that took. I loved the Sith Pureblood though, but it bugged me that there were no other castes of sith. That being said, i think that the correct thing to do next would be to actually let the Sith conquer the Galaxy. "Once again the sith shall rule the galaxy" -Palpatine And i would love to see such a thing, and become the new elite, or the liberator of it all.
I definitely know what you mean. The first part of Swtor was cool because you could explore and experience as different characters, but that whole revival of Revan, eternal empire and Zakuul felt like everything was off track. It’s just not as focused as the other KOTOR games.
The because the prick writer of the book wanted to piss off the fans reverence of revan being a smartest baddass that was willing to do anything to for the greater good as a take that trope. Darth scourge carried the back of the book than the jedi exile and even darth revan.
@@johnnyfives5416 And Scourge was just a cheap cop-out so that the novel can market and introduce the new Jedi Knight protagonist instead, to defeat the Evil Big Baddie in their SWTOR game. Scourge's vision is just a lazy plot device to take Revan and the Exile out of the picture in which he kills the Exile and got Revan imprisoned for 200 years. This development in the story feels abrupt and utterly unsatisfying as it disregards the established setups in KOTOR 2 without providing any meaningful payoffs. The plot conclusion heavily relied on the overused "I had a Force vision" trope to conveniently transition into the Jedi Knight storyline in SWTOR. How ridiculous...
I liked the Revan novel, up until the point Revan left Canderous behind. The Canderous chapters did fill in the gap in Canderous’s story between KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2 very well IMO.
Hey mate thanks for keep bringing kotor content, I know kotor doesn't have a huge audience these days but the ones that are still here is very passionate. But other than that Chris is a national treasure. We need him back to make star wars rpgs
The thing that always interested me too is that, in true Chris Avellone fashion, he wanted us to basically be able to lift right off from where our KOTOR 2 story ended; being able to choose whether we did go for the light side route destroying Malachor, regrouping the lost Jedi to rebuild the order and us going off into the unknown regions to bring Revan home, or the dark side option, with us as the “New Sith” leader going off to find and help Revan wage war against the true sith, leaving behind our companions and Malachor V to help prepare the galaxy for the impending invasion of these true sith. I don’t know, it just seemed to me that Chris had something in mind that very few forms of Star Wars media have; a thorough continuous storyline where we could have a consistent, personal experience
I am genuinely sad. Throughout the video I kept imagining new scenarios. Different planets. New storylines. New characters. To be honest, personally, I think that the gameplay/gamestyle would've been better if it followed the same one from KOTOR and KOTOR 2. You can´t even imagine how interested I am now to know more about the TRUE Sith. Every concept that would've come with that. New knowledge. Hell, I think that eventually it could've tie up with the new movies, given the fact that the game supposedly would follow Revan's footsteps into the deep Unknown Regions. Not gonna lie though, I can see this happening. I don´t know why, I've got this feeling. We have all the right to dream at the moment given the fact that EA is losing the full rights of Star Wars. If any game studio would be bold enough to hire Chris Avalon to put his vision into practice and actually had a good conversation with Lucasfilm, I really think it could happen. Hell, I really think that they are watching us. You see it everywhere, in any poles, magazines, that KOTOR 3 is very much wanted. They know we would pay a good buck for it (I know I would). I really liked the idea of progression throughout the game. And I kept imagining what would be of Revan when we actually found him. If he were to be given a voice in all this matter of the True Sith. In my opinion, this is precisely what lacks in Star Wars at the moment. Darker stories. Not the Antagonist/Protagonist, but a general concept. Many new characters, even though they belong thousands of years BBY. I've always wanted to know a bit more about the Sith. It really could be something cool, bringing some philosophical matters into the universe, like KOTOR 2 brings, and not to paint them like the bad guys and the need to destroy them, etc. Can you imagine how Lucasfilm could develop all of those ancient Sith characters? What we could learn? The possibilities are infinite. In the last video I was very much skeptical regarding the making of the 3rd KOTOR nowadays. Now I couldn´t care less about that, and I just want this to happen. This is my take on KOTOR 3. I have hope. I think all of should have it. It is not usual for some games to be so much spoken of nearly 20 years later. They are watching us and that's a good thing. Thank you for this video.
Everyone keeps saying that BioWare has copywrite over the game. I have a really hard time believing that since back when Lucas Arts was around one they commissioned Bioware to make the first game to begin with. For the second game LA did ask if Bioware wanted to make a 2nd game which the latter declined. LA did not ask them for permission to make a second game the second game was going to be made and it obviously was. For mmo The Old Republic I'm guessing it was still owned by Lucas Arts but EA must have requested the right if LA went under they could still keep the game up and running.
@@jamesh6024 If I recall correctly, Obsidan pushed KOTOR 2 out in time for Christmas 2004 when it wasnt really ready which is what spoiled it. It should have been relased in 2005
To me personally, I liked to see the true sith as well demons who lurked within the depths of the unknown, beings who wanted death of the light side (sorta like palpatine) and were planing to cause an invasion that would’ve caused it, and revan and malak seeing the horrors the true sith has caused almost immediately fell to the dark side and wanted to convert the republic a war machine that could survive them Maybe a little outlandish but something like that
word same. i like the idea that they were ancient monstrous dark entities that ruled entire swathes of the galaxy and weren't remotely human. dark lovecraftian enemies
@@thorshammer7883 I haven’t played destiny but yeah that sounds good. An enemy that was so evil and inhuman as to defy comprehension in a conventional sense. The true embodiment of the Sith belief
@@aamirrazak3467 Maybe them being something like the Daevites and the Scarlet King from the SCP Mythos as well as mixing elements and themes of different stories like the Watchers from the book of Enoch could work out as well. A truly evil and inhuman Sith Empire could sound like that creating the most evil horrors and monsters and committing the most profane and wicked acts.
I listened to an interview of avelone yesterday, and he said that he wanted to put some elements of the Clone wars (2003) micro series into the game. Like mace Windu punching droids and other stuff like that.
Personally, if it's not broke don't fix it. I loved KOTOR 1, and I really loved the complexity of KOTOR 2. I must have played through and beaten both games 7 or 8 times throughout my life so far. I still at 34 years old now, have a pull to go back and play through KOTOR 2 just so I can experience the story all over again. Also I loved how OP you were towards the end of KOTOR 2. I have always loved the escapist power fantasy in games that truly provided it, and KOTOR 2 provided this in spades. SWTOR was originally a dream of mine back in the day's of XPLAY on G4, and when it finally came out I was over the moon, but after years of playing it, and especially after the abysmal expansions, I realized that SWTOR was absolutely nothing compared to KOTOR 1, and 2. It's tragic that we will never get to play KOTOR 3. However, I don't want Disney or Kathleen Kennedy any where near Revan or Meetra. Thanks for taking the time to go over this material, really appreciate it.
@@CausticSpace if they don't change the story and put the option of turn based combat,we will be fine If they touch the story,we will have a biggest outrage than the last jedi
Excellent. The more I hear about what this game was going to be, the more I want it to be a reality! Thank you 100% Star Wars for making this comprehensive video!
KOTOR II had elements of the Foundation sprinkled in with the True Sith. Notice how Kreia would talk about conflict defining culture, or that the Republic had grown stagnant due to an overly long period of peace, or how Onderon and Dantooine had two distinct historical 'flashpoint' moments that would dictate those planet's histories in a very drastic way? Then Goto would talk about concepts similar to psychohistory and ideas that would be privy to Edward Gibbon. The True Sith themselves were implied to be something more akin to Asimov's Foundation: they played the long game, setting their pawns millennium in advance, and were so isolated and out of the way nobody would even notice them until it was too late. It was just something wholly alien to what we think of Star Wars and the game was better for it. Of course if they released it now, the True Sith would be incompetent Spess Nazis and the ideal society would be one dominated by a megacorp with a suspicious animal mascot.
Yes please. For reference, there were other interviews with Chris Avalon talking about the True Sith and what they would've been like, and I think that's the article !00% Star Wars is trying to reference at the end. Basically, the True Sith were supposed to be based on The Shadows from Babylon 5. Horrifically powerful, brutal murder-hobos who hate the will of the Force so much that they formed an extremist ideology of worshiping warfare and death. The destruction of Taris? Nihilus's consumption of Kataar? The Mass Shadow Generator's use on Malachor V? These kinds of horrific, terrifying, and often genocidal actions would have been _commonplace_ to the True Sith, as if it were their standard tactics in basic warfare. The world you would have visited would have reflected this, each one the victim of a different event of mass destruction or slaughter brought about when the True Sith came in and conquered them. Chis Avalon also, I believe, mentions in this interview that they were originally an extremist cult with connections to Naga Sadow, likely started by him, that fled into the Unknown Regions of the Western Disk, past the Great Hyperspace Disturbance (or whatever it's called), at the end of the Great Hyperspace War. There are also hints of the possibility of going in that direction throughout TSL, mostly in item descriptions and hidden lore. The most blatant one is the Charric disruptor rifle. The Charric was a mainstay weapon of The Chiss Ascendancy, a weapon that fired extremely potent maser blasts that not only disintegrated flesh and bone on contact and bore through the toughest shields and armor, but _also_ struck with such great concussive force that it sent targets careening back, and made it impossible for lightsabers to deflect as they would be knocked from the user's hand. This weapon is in the game, yet the Chiss were not discovered until sometime _after_ the events of TSL (somewhere between 5-50 years later). The Chiss homeworld, Csilla, was swept up in an unexplained ice age in the year 5000 BBY, the same year as the Great Hyperspace War, and is so inhospitable that the Chiss live deep under the ice, as close to the warmth of the inner planet as possible, with their underground carriage travel routes having been dug through the planet's bedrock. The world is just beyond the edge of the Western Disk, and it surprisingly close to Lehon, homeworld of the Rakata and the now-destroyed Star Forge. I think they were setting up the possibility of the protagonist of KotOR III discovering the Chiss Ascendancy, and possibly convincing them (or some of them) to help fight back against the True Sith, who they likely would've had hostile contact with before, explaining both their ice age and their far more potent weapons and technology. The Chiss may have even already have broken free of the True Sith Empire, considering their weapons and tactics, and may have been advancing technologically as a direct result of their rebellion. They may have even already taken some of the worlds that were in the future Ascendancy, or maybe some of those worlds would have been stages of conflict in the game. Also, from a game mechanics perspective, if they had really intended the Exile to be the protagonist of the third game, they could have made some excuse for her power being drained whatever point she ends up crossing through the Great Hyperspace Disturbance at, or maybe she comes into contact with an artifact of some kind. It's even possible that the destruction of Malachor V at the end of TSL (light side) and the death of Darth Traya somehow disrupted her connection to the Force again, considering she was connected to both so greatly, though this explanation feels the weakest.
And to answer your questions at the end. I would have preferred to keep the D&D mechanics like kotor 1&2. Something about star wars skinned dnd works very , very well.
On the one hand DnD would mean that it was a traditional rpg and not a modern one and that is always better. Even though a few games have shown that the modern style gameplay, be it first or third person, can be ok, they're still inherently weaker. On the other hand the DnD system is one of the worst rpg systems out there and there is always the danger that the ridiculously bad fluff of DnD would inspire the game. I'd rather have a good plot instead of the DnD power-creep-as-story-and-killing-as-the-solution-for-everything. Got enough of the latter in all the Marvel yawn fests.
That sounds like a very interesting concept. The idea that Ragnos was an outlier, and the true Sith were yet to be explored. In a way this reminds me of the Lost Tribe of the Sith.
How to weaken the Exile at the start of the story? Very easy! The unknown regions are filled with the dark side of the force to the point where anyone with a strong connection to the Light Side struggles to think clearly, their body weakening. Revan, who walked on both side of the force had it much easier to adapt + he separated himself from his companions so he would be free of the "chains" that sith code presents. Exile being the wound in the Force would get a bigger dose of dark side energy that would weaken her. She would have to either adapt to the Dark Side and become more "evil" or through the quests bring some good to the citizens of that part of the galaxy, restoring some parts of the balance to the Force, becoming stronger through the light side. We could get some more character development from the Exile to become more like Kreia, since Kreia's walk on the borders of light and dark had wisdom unforseen in Kotor 2. There's a well of creativity when it comes to approach to the storytelling Chris mentioned in this video, sure from a development point of view a game like that could be just too massive to implement successfully but I'm charmed by the ideas presented here. Loved the video
1) The Exile would never "follow Revan" for he never did follow Revan. He would've gone to war after any other senior Jedi, Revan or not; 2) Revan didn't trust the Exile and Malachor V destruction was not what Revan planned; 3) The Exile dies along with Kreia for by killing her he cuts himself from the Force once again and nobody can survive this twice. All the Kotor story is about being tricked. Like all Jedi do you listen but do not hear! "The Sith is a belief". Yet, you may go look for your some "true Sith" if you'd like to. What shall you find? - A man.
5:10 Since a lot of the Exiles power from her bonds, you could always write it as killing Kreia, with whom she shared a powerful bond and leaving her companions left her dramatically weakened. If that doesn't work for you could instead have her confronting some big bads that drain and imprison the Exile, starting the game with a fun escape sequence. Last but not least, if she were to permanently heal herself as a wound in the force, that might also work as a kind of reset button.
You actually don't need to have a starting weak character. You can import a character like Mass Effect 2 o 3 and, if you hadn't played 1 and 2, you can always start anyways in level 20 or whatever as a full Jedi Knight. That would be a change for once in a Jedi-focused Star Wars game.
I would totally love to see another character like Kreia, who would explain the philosophy of the true Sith and Challenge the beliefs of the Protagonist on each step of his journey. Taking it a step further, it would have been nice to delve deeper into the cause-effect dependencies of the players actions, and to demonstrate that even the same actions may lead to different consequences: 1) Saving a slave before his will is broken, who would be thankful and feel in dept 2) Save another slave later (or another old one), and watch him become even more cruel version of his oppressor 3) Also here we can also introduce the dilemma of killing "an innocent who would definitely become a mass murderer later on" - would it be an act or Light or Dark side? 4) Can one kill someone in order to return the Balance of the force? Also, it would be nice to explore more the mechanics of the Force bonds in a more interactive way, like: 1) Sharing abilities. The more followers you have, the more "Unique abilities" and stats you will gain. Their strength will, however, depend on the quality of the relationship 2) Sharing HP - Similar to when Kreia lost her hand, Mitra felt the same pain. 3) Also, it would be interesting to see how people change under the influence of Force Bond. Maybe even see Revan reject it, and see the whole philosophical discussion about its effect. After all Sith despise connections for seeing them as weakness, whereas Jedi, reject attachments. How does the "Force Bond" come into the picture here? 4) Using Force Bond abilities to heal the Force Wounds or... become another Darth Nihilus? Would it be possible to take a "Neutral route", rejecting the force altogether?
Well as for the diminished powers of the protagonist I think it'd be rather easy to explain. The force bond that was between the Exile and Kreia was severed so the prior access to the force that the Exile had built up was gone. Where before the Exile couldn't reach the force without Kreia the bond had reopened a connection to the force but the Exile would have to relearn how to control it. This would also explain the (all things considering in the games) rapid rise in power level as the Exile was familiar with the techniques just had to get reacquainted.
Everytime i hear the quote about the powerful sith that would have been in kotor 3 i always just imagine like, lords and ladies on nihilus's level or beyond. just basically lovecraftian gods in human or alien shape and that makes me so sad we didn't get this
It would be fine to make Kotor 3 the same as the previous two (without bugs and finish it properly)or if they have to, make it like a hybrid of mass effect and fallout 3/new Vegas type of game.
@@100StarWars One idea that came to my mind based on DS Bastila’s holo recording on Korriban was that you would find another one of the companions of KOTOR I in the game, someone who also went looking for Revan, and they would become a member of your party. Who this was would depend on which ending you chose for KOTOR I: if you went with the dark side, you get Bastila. If you picked the light side, I think that Jolee Bindo would be a good choice.
@@inventorking9124 idk why exclusively dark side would be bastila….to me it would have to be canderous or HK…canonically bastila is always light side and her + revan were both together in the light in the end. Ya they both faltered, but Jolee is definitively more grey/ dark side than bastila ever is. Cause he’s always walking the line. Where as they are on one side or the other. Mostly the light, and that’s where they both end at. Revan only not if you consider swtor but as an mmo, I really don’t suggest using that story as your canon
@@957kakashi Well, if you choose the LS ending for KOTOR I, Bastilla stays in the Republic to protect it in case Revan fails. In the DS ending, she goes after him.
Great video, if only we could've got KOTOR 3 obsidian was working on, it sounded amazing, and KOTOR 2 built it up so beautifully. They did an amazing job with KOTOR 2, and I would've loved to see their conclusion to Revan and the Exile's stories (I strongly disliked how they were dealt with in the novel and SWTOR), as well as their vision for the True Sith, immensely powerful dark lords who ruled regions of the galaxy with many slave races like the Rakatan Infinite Empire. Sigh, what could've been....
The true Sith could’ve been the reason behind the impossible hyperspace lanes to the Unknown Regions, observing from afar, while the Empire ruled abroad. In effect they would be the anti-empire, and when the two finally meet, it’s in a battle for ultimate domination of the galaxy. The true Sith in this scenario would have the upper hand, knowing all the Empires weaknesses, while the Empire knew nothing of them. What a cool story that would’ve been...
In terms of philosophy, I think that the True sith would have worshiped ”death” over ”power” as a concept. Kreia, Nihilus, Sion and to an extent the Exile are the results of death on a different kind of scale. By the time of KOTOR2 they harness death and hurt the Force just by existing. And it is said that they are either the results of Mandalore V or of the teachings of the Sith academy there (which is a vanguard of the True Sith). That's why the True Sith are implied to be as dangerous as they are. They have no more values but that of death. Nihilism at its purest. (This would push the philosophical conendrum of Kreia from KOTOR2 even further and kinda give a ”moral” standing to the True Sith, they wouldn't even do what they do for powe, but to at last, free everyone from the torment of the Force and life) Their power is primal, it transcends technic or ideology. It is death at it's purest. Thus this would allow the Player to roleplay any kind of character, because even the most assholish of regular sith wouldn't want oblivion. And (personal theory here) if you wanted to go further into the twist of what the True Sith are, you could say that they are the True Jedi, that for True Balance to be, there must be nothing, because life creates imbalance. (Thus give a whole new perspective on the original schism that made the Sith out of the Jedi)
Not sure if anyone has gotten this by now, but I think it's pretty obvious that these Sith Lords in KOTOR 3, aside from the Emperor, were going to be the Dread Masters seemingly given everything we've seen from them in SWTOR and how lovecraftian they are at their core.
I really would have wanted a Kotor 3 and if it was annouced I would be gladly fine with Swtor being decanonised and considered non canon to the Old Republic. I really hated what Swtor did to Revan and the entire narrative of the Kotor games and completely ignoring past loveable characters like Bastila. But no the writers of Swtor had the bright the idea of deconstructing and milking Revan's character and making his life as miscible and tragic as possible for shock value and money. As well as completely messing up the timeline. The current Sith Empire has to go they are not good enough to be the antagonists we need this concept of the True Sith back. Not the weakened pale one we have now.
agreed on both counts, i hated what SWTOR did to Revan and the exile's characters, as well as ignoring bastila. I also despise how they made the interesting true sith into some lame sidious knockoff that's apparently immortal. the True Sith sound far more terrifying than anything we have seen from the sith so far, i wanted to see that
I think our best shot would be if the remake is canonized in Disney canon, and then we could theoretically get a canon KOTOR II remake and canon third entry. I doubt we could get a third entry any other way.
I would have loved for the player character to be a thief or stowaway who boards the Ebon Hawk just on the edge of known space, is spared by the Exile, and then gets wrapped up in the adventure, learns the Force, and-most importantly- sees both the Exile and Revan from yet another perspective. The player can create and dictate their own backstory as to why they’re attempting to flee known space, and then grow to play a huge part in the climax of this incredible story.
It sounds like they had some excellent ideas for KOTOR 3. A lot of suspense to be had by discovering long forgotten sith and backpacking HK-47 on your backpack. HK-47 was one of the few characters that had me cracking up when I first played this back when I was a kid, and he still manages to get laughs out of me all these years later. It's good to know they planned to include him in KOTOR 3. It's too bad they never had the opportunity to make the game. I think it would have have been incredible.
I played Alpha Protocol quite a lot , mainly because of this communication system with other characters where every line of dialog matters, almost every choice has a follow up. If it weren't rushed out the door I bet we could have had a much bigger playground and hubs. I kind a get the idea and since Alpha Protocol has a very good story that can play in many different ways, in Star Wars I bet it would have been a big step up story wise, gameplay on the other hand the Jedi Outcast games still have the best. And on the SWTOR went for the big baddy that waited for many years they did say this is 300 years ahead and from the lore the story is focused on lets say a version of Revan that went to fight the Emperor and lost.
For combat I would still preffer classic turnbase real time combat as Kotor series are best know for but rest, I fully agree that game would be awesome.
One thing that i wonder is how they would have included kotor's rpg elements like side missions and npcs and lots of dialogue in the game, if the only "normal" characters were the party members which we already knew. Well, maybe the sith empire would have had normal people walking around too, just secluded from the known parts of the galaxy on their own planets. And as you mentioned Exile would need to be nerfed for the RPG elements to work, or maybe it would have been less of an true rpg and more of an action rpg
SWTOR ruined pretty much everything I love about KOTOR and TSL. That didn’t stop me from sinking thousands of hours into it though, I still would’ve preferred III instead.
In all my years I never would have thought alpha protocol getting mentioned with star wars . Now I know obsidian made them both. Played them both. Obsidian definitely had their jank for years , humble beginnings to say the least but man listen , alpha protocol is one of if not the most unique rpg games in a long time and I still haven't seen a game do it to that level since . Ask anyone Tay played that game outside the combat and jank . The RPG elements was god like
I don't know what I wanted from KoTOR 3 beyond more of the same. impress and surprise me. I did, however, feel that maybe BioWare/Obsidian may have painted themselves into a corner, similar to what they did in Mass Effect. The story in the first two pointed to something mysterious and amazing for the third installment, and nothing could live up to that hype.
Imagine if the true with had been serving some cosmic horror that was wielding the dark side to corrupt and subvert even the most powerful Sith Lords like the brother moons in Dead Space. Something so unimaginably terrifying that you could keep mysterious that it would wrap up the trilogy perfectly.
Fantastic video my friend as always. Again even though I don't play the game I think if they had made KOTOR 3 it would have given a better ending to Revan's story arc then what was shown in SWTOR. And of course I would want to see more content on Meetra Surik the Jedi Exile since I'm a huge fan of her. On a separate issue my friend KOTOR Movie Saga has been releasing segments of his movie about Revan during the Mandalorian Wars. Kevin Smetts who is KOTOR Movie Saga has been slow to release his videos because he's currently undergoing cancer treatment but doing ok. He's releasing a new video on his channel Sept. 10th called Shawdow of the Sith, his collaboration with Darthycey. I hope you don't mind me again bringing this up and invite you to sample their work
While original ideas tend to develop and change during the writing process, this alone sounds like it could've been something wonderful had they managed to pull it off, brilliant ideas that'd depend on good execution. Alas, we will never know if they would've succeeded. Plus that HK-47 part sounded awesome, just imagining his dialog, lol
I would've liked the idea of SWTOR's Sith Empire in KOTOR3. Maybe more advanced and no 2nd Empire (Eternal Empire) or perhaps abit of that integrated into it like a infinite amount of battle droids. I had expected at first a "Shadow of Mordor / War" type game, but instead it being Revan and Meetra Surik fighting their way up the ranks of the Sith Empire, doing as much damage as they can, but probably still failing in the end, making a legit jump to SWTOR storywise. Just all thoughs.
I wanted a continuation of some of the story threads Sith Lords dropped. Preferably, where we play as Revan again with the Exile, T3, and HK47 finding him/her and helping them do whatever it is they're s doing as companions. Also I remember there was a conversation you could have with Canderous Ordo telling you about him encountering an organic ship that sounds suspiciously like the Yuuzon Vong....
@100% Star Wars There's a Legends comics series called Knight Errant set a few decades before the Darth Bane trilogy that's very similar to the plot of KOTOR III: a lone Jedi travels through Sith Space, learning about all these different Sith Lords via how they rule their territory. I wonder if the author (John Jackson Miller) knew someone on the KOTOR 2/3 team and drew his ideas from the pitch from KOTOR III.
There's some imaginative ideas there: there's a Lord who thinks he created the universe as a test for himself, his brother who is basically a Warhammer character, a pair of twins who mentally enthrall a planet...it's kind of crazy.
Do you think it would be possible to bring kotor 3 to life? Because this is pretty awesome also in terms of how kotor 3 gameplay would be I would keep the gameplay consistent with the original games but sprinkle some be machanics in
It could but some things have to be cleaned up and rid of first. Like Swtor as part of the official canon that thing is standing in Kotor 3's way in my view.
Honestly, the hype and expectations for KotOR 3 would be so high and the gaming landscape has changed so much, there's no way that it wouldn't be disappointing. After 17 years, I think it's best that we don't get it at all.
@@thorshammer7883 that's what I'm getting at. People would want to play it; undoubtedly, there would be people who would enjoy it. The problem is that there is no way that it would meet everyone's expectations. Think back to Halo 2 and how that turned out (or even KotOR 2 when it first came out, as it was derided by literally everyone as being inferior to the first game due to Development Hell). If it played the same as the other games, it would be derided as being archaic and not innovating. If it changed everything, it would be derided for not being like the older games. That's not even getting into the story and how it would undoubtedly change from what Obsidian originally planned (especially if they aren't the ones making it and it goes to an EA studio).
Honestly, I think it would've been good idea if they made a game during the time of Darth Bane, his apprentice Darth Zannah, and the Jedi that hunted them. Be able to choose either Jedi or Bane himself at the start. Who you choose is whose viewpoint you'll experience it from, however neither have the same start point. Like if you picked Jedi, then you'd start on Coruscant, and if you picked Bane, then you'd start on Korriban. That's a KOTOR I'd like to see.
In another reality there's a universe where LucasArts made Kotor 3, and it was considered the greatest game ever made. It was so great George Lucas decided to make a film trilogy of the games and people were pissed at how it did not translate well from the game. Who could've guessed.
I always felt that because of the timing of the game and some of the Star Wars novels at the time this evil beyond the limits of the galaxy were in face the Yuuzhan Vong.
After hearting this: I think it would be quite neat to take a lead from games like X4:Reunion for An Aspect of a game of this scale - not to mention the beauty of Space.
I love this idea for the true Sith empire, a purer representation of what the Sith are fighting to create. I imagine Sith Alchemy/Magic would be major components of this empire, shaping the planets and the life on them to their desires. My question though is what is the timeline for this empire coming into existence? Did they just leave Korriban and Ziost behind? Was Korriban just a psychop? Or a more freaky idea, what if this True Sith Empire is older than the classical old Sith Empire, older than the Hundred-Years of Darkness?
i personally quite like the eternal empire storyline in SWOTR, but the idea of an even more "True Sith" empire is definitely intriguing and something i would love to learn more about
It’s kind of unfair to compare SWTOR and what would have been KOTOR III. MMO’s are a completely different beast. However I do agree with you that a lot of the stuff I’m SWTOR story is lacking. I enjoy everything story wise in SWTOR except the Zakuul stuff.
Really sad tbh. Don't get me wrong Swtor was a decent game but what they did to revan and the Jedi exile is just a shame. Really wish we got Kotor 3 instead of swtor
Admittedly, this could be a distant impossibility, but for a long time now I've thought that a Star Wars game developed by the same team that made Sekiro: Shadow's Die Twice would be an incredible thing to play. I mean, picture the intensity of the lightsaber duels with the high speed, dexterity based combat of Sekiro for its swordplay mechanics, they would definitely have to rework it a bit in order to properly integrate Force Powers and handle blast deflection but I think it would be reasonably feasible and undoubtedly incredible to experience. I don't know if it would work for a potential KOTOR III, as the companions you fight beside and direct would be remarkably difficult to keep track of in such an involved and intense combat system, but perhaps for another title, it would work well.
I'd love if the KotOR Remake succeeds and maybe, just maybe, they'd do a KotOR II Remake and a KotOR III game, with these ideas from Avellone in mind. Maybe more than one player character available to play, something like Halo 3 that you play with Master Chief and The Arbiter. You could play some parts of the game as The Exile and others as Revan and maybe a third Jedi/Sith that follows their footsteps in the beginning of the game. Well, one may always dream, right?
"And at one point HK-47 with his legs dismantled would ride around in your backpack like C-3PO does with Chewbaccca in Empire Strikes Back." HOLY FUCKING HELL This droid would then never NEVER stfu about everything happening. *AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT WHY WAS THIS GAME CANCELLED?!??!*
Theory about the true Sith empire being an offshoot of Marka Ragnos does actually make sense. And also Revan and Exar Kun before him being only followers of true Sith teachings from which they learn secret powers of the dark side of the force is also very valid. This is so exciting to think about and I hope one day we will see something that will put a final conclusion to one of the best game trilogy, expected for almost 20 years.
In a weird way, I feel like Fallout New Vegas was the KOTOR 3 we never got. Really just in terms of the mechanics and storytelling. But it remains my favorite game and it's clear Obsidian built on a lot of wha they learned making KOTOR 2. Sad we never got a 3, Chris Avellone and the gang were geniuses.
To be honest I would have loved KOTOR 3, and there are so many times I wished TOR had been made into a single player game (KOTOR 3) instead of an MMO. Because TOR felt very user friendly, I mean there's a few points it gets emotional, but none of them hit too hard because its an MMO, can't scare off subscribers. Then it was rushed out due to EA, and the story after the main chapters were cut and became rather cookie-cutter.
I really like the idea that the Exile remains on Malacor V and slowly works towards the death of the force. If there was a way to have the exile follow Reven into the unknown regions and still have that as his/her main aim then I would be all for this.
The story they were wanting to tell sounds so much bigger than the first two games. Sounds like it would have to function completely different in terms of the characters POV. I feel like you'd have to be Revan and Meetra. Perhaps there would be a fourth Kotor!? To capture the sheer epicness of the story!
I think that I had an unique kotor series experience. First I play kotor 2 and then I had a chance to play kotor 1 in few years. I was like 11 years old that day. So firstly I handle the second kotor with all this dark narratives and I learn about Revan and his path in rumour-like manner (trough dialogues). After I play 1-st kotor and fell in love with full story of this character I can’t accept how his story ends in tor 300 years later and bla bla bla. One day we will have the alternative story line. Still believe 100%.
Man, really for anyone who needs an idea of what kind of potential story we missed out on with KOTOR 3, go beat part 2, preferably as a neutral character who maintains a good relationship with Kreia through the whole game. The way she brings up Revan and the unknown region is something so special to experience. It felt to me like she was saying "you've pushed beyond the rest of us, all the rest of the galaxy can't hope to stand a chance against your power. Aside from you, only Revan ever stood with such might. Go now and join him at the end of all things to face the greatest threat to life that ever existed" It felt absolutely epic and mysterious and full of intrigue and wonder. I remember my first time completing it, I honestly thought it was gonna be like planet devouring space monsters (maybe something like the reapers from mass effect, back before mass effect existed lol)
I think if KOTOR 3 followed the book, the player could be Scourge *but* they’d also get to play as the Exile and Revan throughout the game as well. Instead of the dark/light mechanic happening within the character, your ending is who you side most with (Scourge - dark, Meetra - light, Revan - grey).
I also read somewhere that the Exile was going to be the protagonist of KOTOR 3, so I also wondered how the devs were going to justify the nerfing. Turns out that watching this video made me consider the most obvious of choices. The Exile (instinctively) chose to cut themselves off from the Force at Malachor V. For KOTOR 3 they would do it on purpose so they could slip into the True Sith undetected.
When I heard about him-47 riding on your back with no legs I instantly needed the game in my hands like right now, give kotor 3 now, stop remake start 3 please
Did anyone watching today actually play Alpha Protocol? I never liked the look of it personally so I never got the chance to play it.
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I'm in the same boat, I never liked the look of it. Seemed pretty messy.
The game has a lot of problems, specifically with the controls, however if you can get around that the game is quite great.
The ability to make so many decisions that can affect the game makes it very replayable. From simple things like killing or not killing, to how you respond to questions they can alter how the story goes.
It is a shame that the bugs and non polished nature of the game hurt it so much.
It's... good, but yeah, very unpolished, and it's not on my recommended video games list. Would rather have the game be remastered, if not remade these days.
I loved Alpha Protocol. Ran almost a dozen campaigns, half of which were recruit hard mode. The other half were veteran hard mode. Gameplay was complete ass if you didn't spec into pistols and stealth, but the story was so interactive I just fell head over heels in love with it. When I first arrived in the Taiwan hub and Omen Deng commented that my stealth suit doesn't blend well in a public subway, I immediately restarted the mission in casual clothes and he praised for good field work.
@@orangesoda4535 i always tried to get everyone to like me for the longest time until I found out that if you piss off Marburg enough it changes his boss fight.
I need to do a playthrough where everyone hates me.
The void for KOTOR 3 will never go away.
Eventually, it will be made. In some form, in some way. The only question is when. And I hope that the answer is soon.
i feel the same way. some tiny part of my soul still hopes even after ~15 years it may happen one day.
I'll just think of it as an offscreen moment of awesome and be done with it. Besides, even if a KotOR III does come out, it will be deemed as some sort of a letdown regardless of its reception.
it's basically nihilus at this point
@@LluckyStrikee me too my friend me too. i also hope that the winds of winter will be released but we'll see
Kotor 3 is the fandoms equivalent to a force wound from Kotor 2. We carry the weight of loss with us, and hear the echos of what may have been. I still consider kotor 2 to be a masterpiece and my favorite game/ star war story.
@yourface0707 I wish I could erase it from memory and play it blind again.
@@CyaSpaceCowboy If they invent a pill that does that I will abuse it for kotor 1 and 2 and for RDR2 haha
Same here. I get a little too excited about KOTOR discussions, especially 2
Literally came here to say this. Scrolled down and saw your comment. Nothing to add. It is an echo of death.
Kotor 2 is so good after you finish Peragus it just starts slow and is clearly unfinished. Still both kotors are probably both in my top 10 favorite games
Revan left Carth in control of the Republic fleet, Canderous in control of the Mandalorians, had HK-47 building leagues of assassin droids, could call on all of his companions, knew that his best strategist (Meetra Surik) was still out there, left lots of Sith infrastructure intact... he was preparing every corner of the galaxy to fight off a grand threat. Man, that would have been beautiful to play through
And then Bioware made Mass Effect with same concept of something big is coming to destroy the galaxy.
If only he could resurrect trask ulgo,Trask could have soloed vitiate
@@safi6749 That would be easy.
@@safi6749Trask would of been such a good companion aswell
Imagine if we’d of got a fully finished game with the HK assassin droid factory added along with the droid planet M4-78 where we would of found Master Vash alive and had to redeem her Padawan Kaah Ohtok who fell to the dark side after being separated with Vash and thinking she was dead later learning that Vash and her Padawan also had a force bond. We’d of also had an extra companion in Devaronian Jedi Knight Dvakvar Grahrk who could of taken the lost Padawan that we find in the Dantooine ruins Kaevee as his Padawan plus having Ahrnell the force sensitive Twilek mercenary join us too becoming the exiles Padawan. I wish that Atton had betrayed Kreia by revealing to the exile that she had been blackmailing him using his past leading us to start questioning who she really is with Darth Sion revealing that Kreia was his and Darth Nihilus master until they betrayed her when we face him on Korriban with us having the option of redeeming Sion after defeating him in battle breaking the force bond with Kreia making her think the exile was killed by Sion before we return to the Ebon Hawk with Sion and are attacked by Kreia leading to the whole crew fighting Kreia alongside the exile and Sion being the one to defeat her with us taking her prisoner and turning her over to the returned Jedi council on Dantooine who are joined by Atris and her Handmaidens, before Visas Marr informs us that it’s time to face her master who’s attacking Telos and the Jedi Council sending us to avenge the fallen Jedi lost on Katarr with Darth Sion going into a bacta tank to heal his wounds letting go of his hatred and allowing his body to begin healing while we save Telos, redeem Colonel Tobin and defeat Darth Nihilus with Visas being the one to finish off her former Master before we return to Malachor where Mira defeats Hanharr a second time before convincing him to let go of his hate and become her ally and the exile destroys the planet using the Shadow generator a second time allowing the exile to let go of his past healing the force wound within him before we return to Dantooine and the Jedi council finding the Jedi academy full of familiar faces of Jedi who’d survived the purge and gone into hiding such as Carth’s son Dustil Onasi, Yuthura Ban, Jolee Bindo, Bastila Shan, Deesra Luur Jada, Juhani and Belaya, Bolook, Mekel, Kel Algwinn, Dak Vesser and Thalia May and the former Sith academy students we rescued in Kotor 1 as well as a healed Sion who joins the Jedi seeking to make up for his past as the council beginning to rebuild the order with the survivors and our companions leading into KOTOR 3
Each time someone mentions Kotor 3, I always feel sad. What could have been...
me too friend me too.. it's painful
It could still be but it's possibility is low right now. The first thing that should be done is considering Swtor it's own story and not part of the established Kotor series.
@@thorshammer7883 agreed that would be a good start. I really did not like what they did to revan and the exile's characters in swtor or the novel at all
That's just the way it is... an emptiness :(
@@thorshammer7883 Yeah, agreed. Besides, SWTOR is a swiss cheese of plotholes, so the larger universe is better off if they remove SWTOR from the C-Canon of Legends
It always bugged me how the MMO killed off the exile. My issue is not that she died I could live with that it’s how they did it. To get stabbed in the back the way she did felt beneath her and lazy. The whole situation was literally one I felt that neither her or Revan would have been dumb enough to find themselves in
Agreed. Yet another reason why I hate Swtor and believe it shouldn't exist as something official.
That entire book was a major character assassination for the Exile. Revan, not so much, because outside of Chris Avalon's hints in KotOR 2, there was never any canon traits or character given to him, as he was a complete stand-in for the player. The Exile was not, having a history, lore, and previous character arc already that she was already aware of in the game, not having had amnesia like Revan.
TOR should become an Infinities story and not a sequel. That is how the game should work.
same what a terrible lazy ending for such a complex fascinating character. it was wack
Shout it louder for those in the back
Call me old fashioned, but I would've absolutely loved it the 3rd Kotor was just like 1st and 2nd. (Bad graphics included)
Indeed. To hell with Swtor's art style.
True, but some gameplay elements and mechanics will be changed for quality of life improvements. Examples would be pazaak being less unfair (but then again, save scumming will stay), Ebon Hawk turret missions can come back, but with XP gained for every kill and the fact that the computer mouse can be used instead of the keyboard arrow keys, and a way better old save bonus system compared to KotOR II (seriously, picking a Male Light Sided Revan always makes sure Bastila loves him... even though some playthroughs of the very first game might not have romanced Bastila).
So no innovation at all?
@@100StarWars well, maybe minor things and qol improvements like quick save/load, sabacc, improved swoop racing and swoop bike customization that sort of thing, but nothing major or gameplay changing, I love kotor too much to change it. Well except for swoop racing, doesn't feel like race at all.
It just isn't Kotor without those bad graphics
Having an HK-47 "backpack" is something I didn't know I wanted so badly, until now..
it would've been so funny... i can just imagine the dialogue hahah
Suggestion: Master, would you like me to blast this Sith Lord?
I hated the Revan book, and i always thought that the MMO sorta killed off the vibe in many ways, especially with all the Valkorion and the Zakuul route that took.
I loved the Sith Pureblood though, but it bugged me that there were no other castes of sith.
That being said, i think that the correct thing to do next would be to actually let the Sith conquer the Galaxy.
"Once again the sith shall rule the galaxy"
-Palpatine
And i would love to see such a thing, and become the new elite, or the liberator of it all.
Would be interesting!
I definitely know what you mean. The first part of Swtor was cool because you could explore and experience as different characters, but that whole revival of Revan, eternal empire and Zakuul felt like everything was off track.
It’s just not as focused as the other KOTOR games.
The because the prick writer of the book wanted to piss off the fans reverence of revan being a smartest baddass that was willing to do anything to for the greater good as a take that trope. Darth scourge carried the back of the book than the jedi exile and even darth revan.
@@johnnyfives5416 And Scourge was just a cheap cop-out so that the novel can market and introduce the new Jedi Knight protagonist instead, to defeat the Evil Big Baddie in their SWTOR game. Scourge's vision is just a lazy plot device to take Revan and the Exile out of the picture in which he kills the Exile and got Revan imprisoned for 200 years. This development in the story feels abrupt and utterly unsatisfying as it disregards the established setups in KOTOR 2 without providing any meaningful payoffs. The plot conclusion heavily relied on the overused "I had a Force vision" trope to conveniently transition into the Jedi Knight storyline in SWTOR. How ridiculous...
I liked the Revan novel, up until the point Revan left Canderous behind. The Canderous chapters did fill in the gap in Canderous’s story between KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2 very well IMO.
Hey mate thanks for keep bringing kotor content, I know kotor doesn't have a huge audience these days but the ones that are still here is very passionate. But other than that Chris is a national treasure. We need him back to make star wars rpgs
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There......is hope
We need a number 3
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Kotor is a certified classic. It matters not the size of its' audience currently.
The thing that always interested me too is that, in true Chris Avellone fashion, he wanted us to basically be able to lift right off from where our KOTOR 2 story ended; being able to choose whether we did go for the light side route destroying Malachor, regrouping the lost Jedi to rebuild the order and us going off into the unknown regions to bring Revan home, or the dark side option, with us as the “New Sith” leader going off to find and help Revan wage war against the true sith, leaving behind our companions and Malachor V to help prepare the galaxy for the impending invasion of these true sith. I don’t know, it just seemed to me that Chris had something in mind that very few forms of Star Wars media have; a thorough continuous storyline where we could have a consistent, personal experience
Chris should just be invited back in the gaming community proper, he is literally one of the best designers and writers out there.
I am genuinely sad. Throughout the video I kept imagining new scenarios. Different planets. New storylines. New characters.
To be honest, personally, I think that the gameplay/gamestyle would've been better if it followed the same one from KOTOR and KOTOR 2. You can´t even imagine how interested I am now to know more about the TRUE Sith. Every concept that would've come with that. New knowledge. Hell, I think that eventually it could've tie up with the new movies, given the fact that the game supposedly would follow Revan's footsteps into the deep Unknown Regions. Not gonna lie though, I can see this happening. I don´t know why, I've got this feeling. We have all the right to dream at the moment given the fact that EA is losing the full rights of Star Wars. If any game studio would be bold enough to hire Chris Avalon to put his vision into practice and actually had a good conversation with Lucasfilm, I really think it could happen. Hell, I really think that they are watching us. You see it everywhere, in any poles, magazines, that KOTOR 3 is very much wanted. They know we would pay a good buck for it (I know I would).
I really liked the idea of progression throughout the game. And I kept imagining what would be of Revan when we actually found him. If he were to be given a voice in all this matter of the True Sith.
In my opinion, this is precisely what lacks in Star Wars at the moment. Darker stories. Not the Antagonist/Protagonist, but a general concept. Many new characters, even though they belong thousands of years BBY. I've always wanted to know a bit more about the Sith. It really could be something cool, bringing some philosophical matters into the universe, like KOTOR 2 brings, and not to paint them like the bad guys and the need to destroy them, etc. Can you imagine how Lucasfilm could develop all of those ancient Sith characters? What we could learn? The possibilities are infinite.
In the last video I was very much skeptical regarding the making of the 3rd KOTOR nowadays. Now I couldn´t care less about that, and I just want this to happen.
This is my take on KOTOR 3.
I have hope. I think all of should have it. It is not usual for some games to be so much spoken of nearly 20 years later. They are watching us and that's a good thing.
Thank you for this video.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Everyone keeps saying that BioWare has copywrite over the game. I have a really hard time believing that since back when Lucas Arts was around one they commissioned Bioware to make the first game to begin with. For the second game LA did ask if Bioware wanted to make a 2nd game which the latter declined. LA did not ask them for permission to make a second game the second game was going to be made and it obviously was. For mmo The Old Republic I'm guessing it was still owned by Lucas Arts but EA must have requested the right if LA went under they could still keep the game up and running.
The “Duel of the Fates” before Duel of the Fates
5:10 You left all of your companions behind, them and their bonds with you are the source of your powers.
They seriously need to bring this franchise back the first 2 where great games with amazing stories
KOTOR 1 was fantastic. KOTOR 2 (without the restored content mods) was so-so. With the restored content, yes, KOTOR 2 was brilliant.
Eh, I played 2 without the RCM and I still loved it
@@jamesh6024 KOTOR 2 even without the restored content was brilliant
@@jamesh6024 If I recall correctly, Obsidan pushed KOTOR 2 out in time for Christmas 2004 when it wasnt really ready which is what spoiled it. It should have been relased in 2005
I would love to see a video discussing what the "true sith empire" could have looked like
To me personally, I liked to see the true sith as well demons who lurked within the depths of the unknown, beings who wanted death of the light side (sorta like palpatine) and were planing to cause an invasion that would’ve caused it, and revan and malak seeing the horrors the true sith has caused almost immediately fell to the dark side and wanted to convert the republic a war machine that could survive them
Maybe a little outlandish but something like that
word same. i like the idea that they were ancient monstrous dark entities that ruled entire swathes of the galaxy and weren't remotely human. dark lovecraftian enemies
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Possibly near on forces of Chaos amounts of danger while being something inhumanly alien like the Darkness from Destiny?
@@thorshammer7883 I haven’t played destiny but yeah that sounds good. An enemy that was so evil and inhuman as to defy comprehension in a conventional sense. The true embodiment of the Sith belief
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Maybe them being something like the Daevites and the Scarlet King from the SCP Mythos as well as mixing elements and themes of different stories like the Watchers from the book of Enoch could work out as well. A truly evil and inhuman Sith Empire could sound like that creating the most evil horrors and monsters and committing the most profane and wicked acts.
I listened to an interview of avelone yesterday, and he said that he wanted to put some elements of the Clone wars (2003) micro series into the game. Like mace Windu punching droids and other stuff like that.
Punching enemy droids with the force sounds lit
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Personally, if it's not broke don't fix it. I loved KOTOR 1, and I really loved the complexity of KOTOR 2. I must have played through and beaten both games 7 or 8 times throughout my life so far. I still at 34 years old now, have a pull to go back and play through KOTOR 2 just so I can experience the story all over again.
Also I loved how OP you were towards the end of KOTOR 2. I have always loved the escapist power fantasy in games that truly provided it, and KOTOR 2 provided this in spades.
SWTOR was originally a dream of mine back in the day's of XPLAY on G4, and when it finally came out I was over the moon, but after years of playing it, and especially after the abysmal expansions, I realized that SWTOR was absolutely nothing compared to KOTOR 1, and 2.
It's tragic that we will never get to play KOTOR 3. However, I don't want Disney or Kathleen Kennedy any where near Revan or Meetra.
Thanks for taking the time to go over this material, really appreciate it.
Thank you for watching!
This comment didn’t age well, Im worried what happen in the KOTOR remake
@@CausticSpace if they don't change the story and put the option of turn based combat,we will be fine
If they touch the story,we will have a biggest outrage than the last jedi
Excellent. The more I hear about what this game was going to be, the more I want it to be a reality!
Thank you 100% Star Wars for making this comprehensive video!
Never say never... right?
Swtor could just be a multiverse thing. Its a fun little adventure but not on par with kotor
KOTOR II had elements of the Foundation sprinkled in with the True Sith. Notice how Kreia would talk about conflict defining culture, or that the Republic had grown stagnant due to an overly long period of peace, or how Onderon and Dantooine had two distinct historical 'flashpoint' moments that would dictate those planet's histories in a very drastic way? Then Goto would talk about concepts similar to psychohistory and ideas that would be privy to Edward Gibbon. The True Sith themselves were implied to be something more akin to Asimov's Foundation: they played the long game, setting their pawns millennium in advance, and were so isolated and out of the way nobody would even notice them until it was too late.
It was just something wholly alien to what we think of Star Wars and the game was better for it. Of course if they released it now, the True Sith would be incompetent Spess Nazis and the ideal society would be one dominated by a megacorp with a suspicious animal mascot.
I've been considering creating creating Kotor III. I'm almost done writing my Ajunta Pall novel.
Not sure if anybody would still be interested
What's it about if I may so ask?
@@thorshammer7883 Kotor III?
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No like the details is what I mean.
Yes please.
For reference, there were other interviews with Chris Avalon talking about the True Sith and what they would've been like, and I think that's the article !00% Star Wars is trying to reference at the end. Basically, the True Sith were supposed to be based on The Shadows from Babylon 5. Horrifically powerful, brutal murder-hobos who hate the will of the Force so much that they formed an extremist ideology of worshiping warfare and death. The destruction of Taris? Nihilus's consumption of Kataar? The Mass Shadow Generator's use on Malachor V? These kinds of horrific, terrifying, and often genocidal actions would have been _commonplace_ to the True Sith, as if it were their standard tactics in basic warfare. The world you would have visited would have reflected this, each one the victim of a different event of mass destruction or slaughter brought about when the True Sith came in and conquered them. Chis Avalon also, I believe, mentions in this interview that they were originally an extremist cult with connections to Naga Sadow, likely started by him, that fled into the Unknown Regions of the Western Disk, past the Great Hyperspace Disturbance (or whatever it's called), at the end of the Great Hyperspace War.
There are also hints of the possibility of going in that direction throughout TSL, mostly in item descriptions and hidden lore. The most blatant one is the Charric disruptor rifle. The Charric was a mainstay weapon of The Chiss Ascendancy, a weapon that fired extremely potent maser blasts that not only disintegrated flesh and bone on contact and bore through the toughest shields and armor, but _also_ struck with such great concussive force that it sent targets careening back, and made it impossible for lightsabers to deflect as they would be knocked from the user's hand. This weapon is in the game, yet the Chiss were not discovered until sometime _after_ the events of TSL (somewhere between 5-50 years later). The Chiss homeworld, Csilla, was swept up in an unexplained ice age in the year 5000 BBY, the same year as the Great Hyperspace War, and is so inhospitable that the Chiss live deep under the ice, as close to the warmth of the inner planet as possible, with their underground carriage travel routes having been dug through the planet's bedrock. The world is just beyond the edge of the Western Disk, and it surprisingly close to Lehon, homeworld of the Rakata and the now-destroyed Star Forge.
I think they were setting up the possibility of the protagonist of KotOR III discovering the Chiss Ascendancy, and possibly convincing them (or some of them) to help fight back against the True Sith, who they likely would've had hostile contact with before, explaining both their ice age and their far more potent weapons and technology. The Chiss may have even already have broken free of the True Sith Empire, considering their weapons and tactics, and may have been advancing technologically as a direct result of their rebellion. They may have even already taken some of the worlds that were in the future Ascendancy, or maybe some of those worlds would have been stages of conflict in the game.
Also, from a game mechanics perspective, if they had really intended the Exile to be the protagonist of the third game, they could have made some excuse for her power being drained whatever point she ends up crossing through the Great Hyperspace Disturbance at, or maybe she comes into contact with an artifact of some kind. It's even possible that the destruction of Malachor V at the end of TSL (light side) and the death of Darth Traya somehow disrupted her connection to the Force again, considering she was connected to both so greatly, though this explanation feels the weakest.
Heh, Shadows... "Who are you, and what do you want?"
Watching this after the KOTOR remake news! you must be so excited!
There's not an adjective in the dictionary that can put into detail my excitement hahaha
@@100StarWars Hope you do a playthrough as soon as it comes out. 🙂👍
You can certainly expect that!
And to answer your questions at the end. I would have preferred to keep the D&D mechanics like kotor 1&2. Something about star wars skinned dnd works very , very well.
I enjoy those mechanics myself
On the one hand DnD would mean that it was a traditional rpg and not a modern one and that is always better. Even though a few games have shown that the modern style gameplay, be it first or third person, can be ok, they're still inherently weaker. On the other hand the DnD system is one of the worst rpg systems out there and there is always the danger that the ridiculously bad fluff of DnD would inspire the game. I'd rather have a good plot instead of the DnD power-creep-as-story-and-killing-as-the-solution-for-everything. Got enough of the latter in all the Marvel yawn fests.
That sounds like a very interesting concept. The idea that Ragnos was an outlier, and the true Sith were yet to be explored. In a way this reminds me of the Lost Tribe of the Sith.
It's cool right!
Ah yes the unborn Masterpiece that i Will always cry for
Hahahaha
How to weaken the Exile at the start of the story? Very easy!
The unknown regions are filled with the dark side of the force to the point where anyone with a strong connection to the Light Side struggles to think clearly, their body weakening. Revan, who walked on both side of the force had it much easier to adapt + he separated himself from his companions so he would be free of the "chains" that sith code presents.
Exile being the wound in the Force would get a bigger dose of dark side energy that would weaken her. She would have to either adapt to the Dark Side and become more "evil" or through the quests bring some good to the citizens of that part of the galaxy, restoring some parts of the balance to the Force, becoming stronger through the light side.
We could get some more character development from the Exile to become more like Kreia, since Kreia's walk on the borders of light and dark had wisdom unforseen in Kotor 2.
There's a well of creativity when it comes to approach to the storytelling Chris mentioned in this video, sure from a development point of view a game like that could be just too massive to implement successfully but I'm charmed by the ideas presented here. Loved the video
1) The Exile would never "follow Revan" for he never did follow Revan. He would've gone to war after any other senior Jedi, Revan or not; 2) Revan didn't trust the Exile and Malachor V destruction was not what Revan planned; 3) The Exile dies along with Kreia for by killing her he cuts himself from the Force once again and nobody can survive this twice. All the Kotor story is about being tricked. Like all Jedi do you listen but do not hear! "The Sith is a belief". Yet, you may go look for your some "true Sith" if you'd like to. What shall you find? - A man.
@@highbird4986 I have no fucking clue what are You talking about.
5:10 Since a lot of the Exiles power from her bonds, you could always write it as killing Kreia, with whom she shared a powerful bond and leaving her companions left her dramatically weakened. If that doesn't work for you could instead have her confronting some big bads that drain and imprison the Exile, starting the game with a fun escape sequence. Last but not least, if she were to permanently heal herself as a wound in the force, that might also work as a kind of reset button.
You actually don't need to have a starting weak character. You can import a character like Mass Effect 2 o 3 and, if you hadn't played 1 and 2, you can always start anyways in level 20 or whatever as a full Jedi Knight. That would be a change for once in a Jedi-focused Star Wars game.
I would totally love to see another character like Kreia, who would explain the philosophy of the true Sith and Challenge the beliefs of the Protagonist on each step of his journey.
Taking it a step further, it would have been nice to delve deeper into the cause-effect dependencies of the players actions, and to demonstrate that even the same actions may lead to different consequences:
1) Saving a slave before his will is broken, who would be thankful and feel in dept
2) Save another slave later (or another old one), and watch him become even more cruel version of his oppressor
3) Also here we can also introduce the dilemma of killing "an innocent who would definitely become a mass murderer later on" - would it be an act or Light or Dark side?
4) Can one kill someone in order to return the Balance of the force?
Also, it would be nice to explore more the mechanics of the Force bonds in a more interactive way, like:
1) Sharing abilities. The more followers you have, the more "Unique abilities" and stats you will gain. Their strength will, however, depend on the quality of the relationship
2) Sharing HP - Similar to when Kreia lost her hand, Mitra felt the same pain.
3) Also, it would be interesting to see how people change under the influence of Force Bond. Maybe even see Revan reject it, and see the whole philosophical discussion about its effect.
After all Sith despise connections for seeing them as weakness, whereas Jedi, reject attachments. How does the "Force Bond" come into the picture here?
4) Using Force Bond abilities to heal the Force Wounds or... become another Darth Nihilus?
Would it be possible to take a "Neutral route", rejecting the force altogether?
Well as for the diminished powers of the protagonist I think it'd be rather easy to explain. The force bond that was between the Exile and Kreia was severed so the prior access to the force that the Exile had built up was gone. Where before the Exile couldn't reach the force without Kreia the bond had reopened a connection to the force but the Exile would have to relearn how to control it. This would also explain the (all things considering in the games) rapid rise in power level as the Exile was familiar with the techniques just had to get reacquainted.
Certainly a plausible explanation!
Everytime i hear the quote about the powerful sith that would have been in kotor 3 i always just imagine like, lords and ladies on nihilus's level or beyond. just basically lovecraftian gods in human or alien shape and that makes me so sad we didn't get this
Sad indeed :((
It would be fine to make Kotor 3 the same as the previous two (without bugs and finish it properly)or if they have to, make it like a hybrid of mass effect and fallout 3/new Vegas type of game.
A hybrid huh... interesting.
@@100StarWars One idea that came to my mind based on DS Bastila’s holo recording on Korriban was that you would find another one of the companions of KOTOR I in the game, someone who also went looking for Revan, and they would become a member of your party. Who this was would depend on which ending you chose for KOTOR I: if you went with the dark side, you get Bastila. If you picked the light side, I think that Jolee Bindo would be a good choice.
@@inventorking9124 idk why exclusively dark side would be bastila….to me it would have to be canderous or HK…canonically bastila is always light side and her + revan were both together in the light in the end. Ya they both faltered, but Jolee is definitively more grey/ dark side than bastila ever is. Cause he’s always walking the line. Where as they are on one side or the other. Mostly the light, and that’s where they both end at. Revan only not if you consider swtor but as an mmo, I really don’t suggest using that story as your canon
@@957kakashi Well, if you choose the LS ending for KOTOR I, Bastilla stays in the Republic to protect it in case Revan fails. In the DS ending, she goes after him.
Great video, if only we could've got KOTOR 3 obsidian was working on, it sounded amazing, and KOTOR 2 built it up so beautifully. They did an amazing job with KOTOR 2, and I would've loved to see their conclusion to Revan and the Exile's stories (I strongly disliked how they were dealt with in the novel and SWTOR), as well as their vision for the True Sith, immensely powerful dark lords who ruled regions of the galaxy with many slave races like the Rakatan Infinite Empire. Sigh, what could've been....
Would could have been indeed :((
The true Sith could’ve been the reason behind the impossible hyperspace lanes to the Unknown Regions, observing from afar, while the Empire ruled abroad. In effect they would be the anti-empire, and when the two finally meet, it’s in a battle for ultimate domination of the galaxy. The true Sith in this scenario would have the upper hand, knowing all the Empires weaknesses, while the Empire knew nothing of them. What a cool story that would’ve been...
the kotor 3 hype is always alive and well. great vid.
In terms of philosophy, I think that the True sith would have worshiped ”death” over ”power” as a concept.
Kreia, Nihilus, Sion and to an extent the Exile are the results of death on a different kind of scale.
By the time of KOTOR2 they harness death and hurt the Force just by existing. And it is said that they are either the results of Mandalore V or of the teachings of the Sith academy there (which is a vanguard of the True Sith).
That's why the True Sith are implied to be as dangerous as they are. They have no more values but that of death. Nihilism at its purest. (This would push the philosophical conendrum of Kreia from KOTOR2 even further and kinda give a ”moral” standing to the True Sith, they wouldn't even do what they do for powe, but to at last, free everyone from the torment of the Force and life)
Their power is primal, it transcends technic or ideology. It is death at it's purest.
Thus this would allow the Player to roleplay any kind of character, because even the most assholish of regular sith wouldn't want oblivion.
And (personal theory here) if you wanted to go further into the twist of what the True Sith are, you could say that they are the True Jedi, that for True Balance to be, there must be nothing, because life creates imbalance. (Thus give a whole new perspective on the original schism that made the Sith out of the Jedi)
This Kotor 3 idea sounds good Revan and his party and the Jedi exile's party fighting the true Sith in the Unknown regions sounds epic.
No idea why, but the HK-47 backpack gave me chills. Imagine having that nutter screaming comedy gold down your ear while shooting enemies?
Not sure if anyone has gotten this by now, but I think it's pretty obvious that these Sith Lords in KOTOR 3, aside from the Emperor, were going to be the Dread Masters seemingly given everything we've seen from them in SWTOR and how lovecraftian they are at their core.
I really would have wanted a Kotor 3 and if it was annouced I would be gladly fine with Swtor being decanonised and considered non canon to the Old Republic.
I really hated what Swtor did to Revan and the entire narrative of the Kotor games and completely ignoring past loveable characters like Bastila. But no the writers of Swtor had the bright the idea of deconstructing and milking Revan's character and making his life as miscible and tragic as possible for shock value and money. As well as completely messing up the timeline.
The current Sith Empire has to go they are not good enough to be the antagonists we need this concept of the True Sith back. Not the weakened pale one we have now.
agreed on both counts, i hated what SWTOR did to Revan and the exile's characters, as well as ignoring bastila. I also despise how they made the interesting true sith into some lame sidious knockoff that's apparently immortal. the True Sith sound far more terrifying than anything we have seen from the sith so far, i wanted to see that
I agree with your first sentence for sure hahah
I think our best shot would be if the remake is canonized in Disney canon, and then we could theoretically get a canon KOTOR II remake and canon third entry. I doubt we could get a third entry any other way.
wow that sounds so awesome. If I can travel through the multiverse, I'm definitely going to a version of earth where this game was finished.
I would have loved for the player character to be a thief or stowaway who boards the Ebon Hawk just on the edge of known space, is spared by the Exile, and then gets wrapped up in the adventure, learns the Force, and-most importantly- sees both the Exile and Revan from yet another perspective. The player can create and dictate their own backstory as to why they’re attempting to flee known space, and then grow to play a huge part in the climax of this incredible story.
It sounds like they had some excellent ideas for KOTOR 3. A lot of suspense to be had by discovering long forgotten sith and backpacking HK-47 on your backpack.
HK-47 was one of the few characters that had me cracking up when I first played this back when I was a kid, and he still manages to get laughs out of me all these years later. It's good to know they planned to include him in KOTOR 3. It's too bad they never had the opportunity to make the game. I think it would have have been incredible.
I played Alpha Protocol quite a lot , mainly because of this communication system with other characters where every line of dialog matters, almost every choice has a follow up.
If it weren't rushed out the door I bet we could have had a much bigger playground and hubs. I kind a get the idea and since Alpha Protocol has a very good story that can play in many different ways, in Star Wars I bet it would have been a big step up story wise, gameplay on the other hand the Jedi Outcast games still have the best.
And on the SWTOR went for the big baddy that waited for many years they did say this is 300 years ahead and from the lore the story is focused on lets say a version of Revan that went to fight the Emperor and lost.
For combat I would still preffer classic turnbase real time combat as Kotor series are best know for but rest, I fully agree that game would be awesome.
I'm seeing a few people saying they would want to keep the combat style!
I truly loved Alpha Protocol story line and evolution, a pity we will never see the merge of KotOR and Alpha Protocol.
I cannot wait for the KOTOR remake and hopefully KOTOR 3 in the future.
Patience is a virtue ;)
One thing that i wonder is how they would have included kotor's rpg elements like side missions and npcs and lots of dialogue in the game, if the only "normal" characters were the party members which we already knew. Well, maybe the sith empire would have had normal people walking around too, just secluded from the known parts of the galaxy on their own planets. And as you mentioned Exile would need to be nerfed for the RPG elements to work, or maybe it would have been less of an true rpg and more of an action rpg
SWTOR ruined pretty much everything I love about KOTOR and TSL. That didn’t stop me from sinking thousands of hours into it though, I still would’ve preferred III instead.
Mood hahaha
I literally never played it. The obvious cash grab of switching to an MMO disgusted me. I stayed away in protest of the dropped ball that was KOTOR 3
@@Maverick8t88 it's still a good game dude. The character stories are very good but it's not Kotor 3 it feels like a whole separate game (which it is)
@@antonhallergren588 Yeah I sure do love flirting with all the twi’lek females
I still want KOTOR 3 lol. whos with me
Found your channel after starting swtor, keep it up, love this kind of content.
Thank you!
In all my years I never would have thought alpha protocol getting mentioned with star wars . Now I know obsidian made them both. Played them both. Obsidian definitely had their jank for years , humble beginnings to say the least but man listen , alpha protocol is one of if not the most unique rpg games in a long time and I still haven't seen a game do it to that level since . Ask anyone Tay played that game outside the combat and jank . The RPG elements was god like
Interesting! I would've maybe given it a go if you could buy it, but alas you cannot anymore :(
I don't know what I wanted from KoTOR 3 beyond more of the same. impress and surprise me. I did, however, feel that maybe BioWare/Obsidian may have painted themselves into a corner, similar to what they did in Mass Effect. The story in the first two pointed to something mysterious and amazing for the third installment, and nothing could live up to that hype.
Imagine if the true with had been serving some cosmic horror that was wielding the dark side to corrupt and subvert even the most powerful Sith Lords like the brother moons in Dead Space. Something so unimaginably terrifying that you could keep mysterious that it would wrap up the trilogy perfectly.
I wish so much that we got the True Sith as some kind of eldritch Lovecraftian entity, rather than discount Darth Sidious
Fantastic video my friend as always. Again even though I don't play the game I think if they had made KOTOR 3 it would have given a better ending to Revan's story arc then what was shown in SWTOR. And of course I would want to see more content on Meetra Surik the Jedi Exile since I'm a huge fan of her.
On a separate issue my friend KOTOR Movie Saga has been releasing segments of his movie about Revan during the Mandalorian Wars. Kevin Smetts who is KOTOR Movie Saga has been slow to release his videos because he's currently undergoing cancer treatment but doing ok. He's releasing a new video on his channel Sept. 10th called Shawdow of the Sith, his collaboration with Darthycey. I hope you don't mind me again bringing this up and invite you to sample their work
While original ideas tend to develop and change during the writing process, this alone sounds like it could've been something wonderful had they managed to pull it off, brilliant ideas that'd depend on good execution. Alas, we will never know if they would've succeeded.
Plus that HK-47 part sounded awesome, just imagining his dialog, lol
That's literally what I wrote in response to another comment about the dialog haha
This sounds so much better than really ultimately got this could have been amazing.
it would be really cool if Disney revived the kotor series and made kotor 3, based off of what the developers thought of
I don't think we'll ever get a direct KOTOR 3 sadly.
@@100StarWars unfortunately you’re probably right
I would've liked the idea of SWTOR's Sith Empire in KOTOR3. Maybe more advanced and no 2nd Empire (Eternal Empire) or perhaps abit of that integrated into it like a infinite amount of battle droids.
I had expected at first a "Shadow of Mordor / War" type game, but instead it being Revan and Meetra Surik fighting their way up the ranks of the Sith Empire, doing as much damage as they can, but probably still failing in the end, making a legit jump to SWTOR storywise.
Just all thoughs.
Shadow of Mordor huh... now that would be interesting in star wars format!
I wanted a continuation of some of the story threads Sith Lords dropped. Preferably, where we play as Revan again with the Exile, T3, and HK47 finding him/her and helping them do whatever it is they're s doing as companions. Also I remember there was a conversation you could have with Canderous Ordo telling you about him encountering an organic ship that sounds suspiciously like the Yuuzon Vong....
@100% Star Wars There's a Legends comics series called Knight Errant set a few decades before the Darth Bane trilogy that's very similar to the plot of KOTOR III: a lone Jedi travels through Sith Space, learning about all these different Sith Lords via how they rule their territory. I wonder if the author (John Jackson Miller) knew someone on the KOTOR 2/3 team and drew his ideas from the pitch from KOTOR III.
There's some imaginative ideas there: there's a Lord who thinks he created the universe as a test for himself, his brother who is basically a Warhammer character, a pair of twins who mentally enthrall a planet...it's kind of crazy.
I truly believe I will only see KOTOR 3 in heaven 😭
Can’t remember where I saw it but I heard the Knight class story in old republic was their story that was supposed to be kotor 3 I guess
Do you think it would be possible to bring kotor 3 to life? Because this is pretty awesome also in terms of how kotor 3 gameplay would be I would keep the gameplay consistent with the original games but sprinkle some be machanics in
It could but some things have to be cleaned up and rid of first. Like Swtor as part of the official canon that thing is standing in Kotor 3's way in my view.
Honestly, the hype and expectations for KotOR 3 would be so high and the gaming landscape has changed so much, there's no way that it wouldn't be disappointing. After 17 years, I think it's best that we don't get it at all.
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I would still want to play it.
It can still impress. It only depends how it's made and executed that's what matters.
@@thorshammer7883 that's what I'm getting at. People would want to play it; undoubtedly, there would be people who would enjoy it. The problem is that there is no way that it would meet everyone's expectations. Think back to Halo 2 and how that turned out (or even KotOR 2 when it first came out, as it was derided by literally everyone as being inferior to the first game due to Development Hell). If it played the same as the other games, it would be derided as being archaic and not innovating. If it changed everything, it would be derided for not being like the older games. That's not even getting into the story and how it would undoubtedly change from what Obsidian originally planned (especially if they aren't the ones making it and it goes to an EA studio).
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What do you mean by Halo 2? I thought the majority of people liked it. I do not see how that's going to be a problem.
The Revan novel was great. Though the author could have had HK-47 go with Meetra Surik.
Honestly, I think it would've been good idea if they made a game during the time of Darth Bane, his apprentice Darth Zannah, and the Jedi that hunted them. Be able to choose either Jedi or Bane himself at the start. Who you choose is whose viewpoint you'll experience it from, however neither have the same start point. Like if you picked Jedi, then you'd start on Coruscant, and if you picked Bane, then you'd start on Korriban.
That's a KOTOR I'd like to see.
Obsidian kotor 3 is probably too ambitious for lucasarts
In another reality there's a universe where LucasArts made Kotor 3, and it was considered the greatest game ever made. It was so great George Lucas decided to make a film trilogy of the games and people were pissed at how it did not translate well from the game. Who could've guessed.
I always felt that because of the timing of the game and some of the Star Wars novels at the time this evil beyond the limits of the galaxy were in face the Yuuzhan Vong.
The image of HK shooting cover fire for the Exile makes me want to see an action-focused KOTOR III, like an Exile Force Unleashed
After hearting this: I think it would be quite neat to take a lead from games like X4:Reunion for An Aspect of a game of this scale - not to mention the beauty of Space.
I love this idea for the true Sith empire, a purer representation of what the Sith are fighting to create. I imagine Sith Alchemy/Magic would be major components of this empire, shaping the planets and the life on them to their desires.
My question though is what is the timeline for this empire coming into existence? Did they just leave Korriban and Ziost behind? Was Korriban just a psychop? Or a more freaky idea, what if this True Sith Empire is older than the classical old Sith Empire, older than the Hundred-Years of Darkness?
i personally quite like the eternal empire storyline in SWOTR, but the idea of an even more "True Sith" empire is definitely intriguing and something i would love to learn more about
Awesome! Parts of it I enjoy.
It’s kind of unfair to compare SWTOR and what would have been KOTOR III. MMO’s are a completely different beast. However I do agree with you that a lot of the stuff I’m SWTOR story is lacking. I enjoy everything story wise in SWTOR except the Zakuul stuff.
Obsidian would have owned this game their storytelling was unparaleled
I actually liked Alpha Protocol
Oh wow really? Care to elaborate why?
@@100StarWars it felt like a mix between Mass Effect and James Bond.
And even with the glitches and bugs, it was fun.
Awesome.
@@100StarWars yep
They also would have to have followed a few things from the darth revan book. But I wish this game would have came out
It’s stupid to not have a Kotor 3, which could’ve make Kotor a perfect trilogy.
Really sad tbh. Don't get me wrong Swtor was a decent game but what they did to revan and the Jedi exile is just a shame. Really wish we got Kotor 3 instead of swtor
Admittedly, this could be a distant impossibility, but for a long time now I've thought that a Star Wars game developed by the same team that made Sekiro: Shadow's Die Twice would be an incredible thing to play. I mean, picture the intensity of the lightsaber duels with the high speed, dexterity based combat of Sekiro for its swordplay mechanics, they would definitely have to rework it a bit in order to properly integrate Force Powers and handle blast deflection but I think it would be reasonably feasible and undoubtedly incredible to experience. I don't know if it would work for a potential KOTOR III, as the companions you fight beside and direct would be remarkably difficult to keep track of in such an involved and intense combat system, but perhaps for another title, it would work well.
Fallen Order is Basically Star Wars Sekiro.
This was the KOTOR 3 I dreamed of... Instead we got the Novel & SW:TOR.
1 of gaming's worst losses.
That description at the beginning sounds like it was reused for the mission structure of The Old Republic.
I beat Alpha Protocol. It was ok. Think you could kill bosses earlier n game & not face them later, but I don't really remember.
I'd love if the KotOR Remake succeeds and maybe, just maybe, they'd do a KotOR II Remake and a KotOR III game, with these ideas from Avellone in mind. Maybe more than one player character available to play, something like Halo 3 that you play with Master Chief and The Arbiter. You could play some parts of the game as The Exile and others as Revan and maybe a third Jedi/Sith that follows their footsteps in the beginning of the game. Well, one may always dream, right?
Nice to hear from you again TDLR
TDLR?
@@100StarWars the guy I think you sound like but you don't hear it. His channel is called tldr
"And at one point HK-47 with his legs dismantled would ride around in your backpack like C-3PO does with Chewbaccca in Empire Strikes Back."
HOLY FUCKING HELL This droid would then never NEVER stfu about everything happening.
*AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT WHY WAS THIS GAME CANCELLED?!??!*
I wish Kotor 3 comes out 😢
Who knows
With kotor one getting a remake soon, there's a chance they could make a kotor 3 later on down the road
Theory about the true Sith empire being an offshoot of Marka Ragnos does actually make sense. And also Revan and Exar Kun before him being only followers of true Sith teachings from which they learn secret powers of the dark side of the force is also very valid. This is so exciting to think about and I hope one day we will see something that will put a final conclusion to one of the best game trilogy, expected for almost 20 years.
In a weird way, I feel like Fallout New Vegas was the KOTOR 3 we never got. Really just in terms of the mechanics and storytelling. But it remains my favorite game and it's clear Obsidian built on a lot of wha they learned making KOTOR 2. Sad we never got a 3, Chris Avellone and the gang were geniuses.
To be honest I would have loved KOTOR 3, and there are so many times I wished TOR had been made into a single player game (KOTOR 3) instead of an MMO. Because TOR felt very user friendly, I mean there's a few points it gets emotional, but none of them hit too hard because its an MMO, can't scare off subscribers. Then it was rushed out due to EA, and the story after the main chapters were cut and became rather cookie-cutter.
Apparently it’s been confirmed it will be getting a full re make off the game i hope you can still play as the companions and everything
Not confirmed, just rumours.
I really like the idea that the Exile remains on Malacor V and slowly works towards the death of the force. If there was a way to have the exile follow Reven into the unknown regions and still have that as his/her main aim then I would be all for this.
True Sith are of the force, so better kill them to help kill the force.
The story they were wanting to tell sounds so much bigger than the first two games.
Sounds like it would have to function completely different in terms of the characters POV. I feel like you'd have to be Revan and Meetra.
Perhaps there would be a fourth Kotor!? To capture the sheer epicness of the story!
obsidian > bioware.
i always liked obsidian's take on the star wars universe more than bioware
I think that I had an unique kotor series experience. First I play kotor 2 and then I had a chance to play kotor 1 in few years. I was like 11 years old that day. So firstly I handle the second kotor with all this dark narratives and I learn about Revan and his path in rumour-like manner (trough dialogues). After I play 1-st kotor and fell in love with full story of this character I can’t accept how his story ends in tor 300 years later and bla bla bla. One day we will have the alternative story line. Still believe 100%.
Man, really for anyone who needs an idea of what kind of potential story we missed out on with KOTOR 3, go beat part 2, preferably as a neutral character who maintains a good relationship with Kreia through the whole game.
The way she brings up Revan and the unknown region is something so special to experience. It felt to me like she was saying "you've pushed beyond the rest of us, all the rest of the galaxy can't hope to stand a chance against your power. Aside from you, only Revan ever stood with such might. Go now and join him at the end of all things to face the greatest threat to life that ever existed"
It felt absolutely epic and mysterious and full of intrigue and wonder. I remember my first time completing it, I honestly thought it was gonna be like planet devouring space monsters (maybe something like the reapers from mass effect, back before mass effect existed lol)
I think if KOTOR 3 followed the book, the player could be Scourge *but* they’d also get to play as the Exile and Revan throughout the game as well. Instead of the dark/light mechanic happening within the character, your ending is who you side most with (Scourge - dark, Meetra - light, Revan - grey).
I also read somewhere that the Exile was going to be the protagonist of KOTOR 3, so I also wondered how the devs were going to justify the nerfing. Turns out that watching this video made me consider the most obvious of choices. The Exile (instinctively) chose to cut themselves off from the Force at Malachor V. For KOTOR 3 they would do it on purpose so they could slip into the True Sith undetected.
When I heard about him-47 riding on your back with no legs I instantly needed the game in my hands like right now, give kotor 3 now, stop remake start 3 please