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You can save Bastilla not only as a lover but also as a friend. A freind/familly even it's "found Familly" saving you is part of starwars charm. That end would be a good 1st step into KotoR 2 also... good deeds can have terrible repercurtion, bad even can in the long run have good consequences, even the most insignificant act can set great thing in motion.
Well I think it should’ve been kept imo, K.O.T.O.R.2 could’ve still worked even if they have to delay the game (I don’t think they could’ve) so the player’s story could’ve comtinued, idk that’s my opinion.
It could NOT be available for a male Revan, and to be honest, this ending should not be in a KotOR II remake, if the team decides to follow up the remake of the first game. However, if it does end up in the KotOR remake, I would not mind it. I intend to play it when it comes out, hoping to have the same experience I did last last year and thirteen years before that, the last two times I played this game. Knights of the Old Republic is one of my favorite games of all time, and Revan is my favorite Star Wars character outside the movies and my second-favorite overall, eclipsed only by Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.
You forgot one ending that’s still in the game. You have the light side ending, the dark side ending, and the secret ending wherein revan uses his mastery of the force to turn Malak into a Dancing twi’lek girl and proceeds to dance with her.
I've played a mod that restored this cut content. There's actually multiple choices here. * One had Revan killing Carth. * Revan orders Bastila to kill Carth. * Bastila kills Carth when Revan hesitates. * And the option you showed here.
Should've been kept in. Seeing as there is only ONE cannon ending and the others are legends, what does it matter if there is a jack knife ending like that? It's still an interesting ending that follows the "tell your own story" concept.
Technically it's all legends so none of it matters at this point. With that said there are the valid points that Carth appears in KOTOR 2 and the story for KOTOR 2 would exclude this ending alienating anyone wishing to continue with this ending. A better ending would have been saving Carth and escaping the Forge just in time for it to blow up as your flying away. Then in 2 the Carth clip can have more meaning as he is now trying to use the pc to find Revan.
@@joshuatayloe8616 Carth only appears in some endings of KotOR 2. A dark-side female Revan ending could simply have the alternate Republic admiral in place of Carth and mention the ending as "rumors of Revan's death" instead of the "disappeared from the galaxy" mentions in the game. Wouldn't actually change much of KotOR 2.
I would be so happy if the remake included this ending. As you said, it would bring something more to the player's and Carth's romance. I agree that his and Juhani's romance should be expanded. Bastila is such an integral part of the story even without romancing her but Carth stays in the sidelines even if you choose to romance him imo. And you hardly had a romance option for Juhani...... It would be super cool if the female Revan could have a proper ending with Juhani.
I don't think Juhani would fall in love with a male Revan though. Incompatible orientations and all that. Still, they better restore the cut content involving her... we've come a long way since 2003.
Seeing how Raven was characterized in later instalments and lore it's kinda glaring that Kotor didn't have a neutral ending imo. I hope the remake adds more endings ranging from a pure light, several shades of light into neutral into dark and a pure dark ending.
Revan was mischaracterised in later installments by ravenous cult followers. That you think the revanites had a better take on who Revan was than the Revan who was actually in the Kotor game, is rather silly. Not to mention all of SWTOR functions on a canonical light side male Revan who romanced Bastila, as is necessary for Satele to exist, and for Revan himself to show as a character
I mean, I kinda get your point...but what exactly would be a 'neutral' ending to this? Just...turn around and go home after the Lost Planet? You either STOP the baddies, making yourself a goodie....or you take over the baddies, making yourself the baddie. I fail to see the neutral option available honestly
Also, development for Kotor 2 already started before the release of Kotor 1, so it can be that Obsidian asked Bioware to not kill off Revan. The removal of this ending makes sense, though I agree that it is an interesting scene. Luckily, there are mods that allow to have it in the game.
@@Robin...222 It's not about what is canon. Although Revan didn't appear in Kotor 2, him being still alive was important for both the light side and dark side playthrough. Also, Obisidian wouldn't have had the time to make a third storyline in which Revan died.
@@mr.fantastic6568 No, it doesn't matter. Kotor 2 literally gives you the option in the beginning to have the dark side ending have happened and has scenes change to reflect that choice since Carth being alive wasn't important to Kotor 2's story and the republic is fractured and on the brink either way. Revan being alive however was important for the story of Kotor 2.
This is why KOTOR is so SO good and lasts, Drew Kryp and his writing team spend so damn long writing every possible thing you’d reasonably consider and allows you to truly make the adventure your own. Great video as always, love the thumbnail.
Since the pre-production for Kotor 2 started before the release of the first game, one can understand why this ending was cut. If Revan dies then a chunk of the sequel's lore gets derrailed almost completly, specially Canderous whos mission to restore the Mandalorians revolves around the events right after Kotor 1. However if instead they left the ending in as a "make your own story" arc, that would annihilate completly everyone who choose it, and I'm damn sure those people would still to this day ask Obsidian for the lore implementation of such ending into Kotor 2. That said... I do like that ending, specially it's relation to what Jolee told about love and it's missconceptions on the eyes of the Jedi Enclave, not to mention is a tragic finale, Carth's "everything will be over soon" as both await death at the top of the Rakata technological terror is a scene for the history books.
I think it would've been a cool idea to have kept it in. Imagine if they would've done what they did with the Witcher games and the sequel game can detect save data, and the choices you made in kotor 1 affects some story elements in kotor 2. Also I like the mod with a Dark Side ending where you Force "persuade" Carth to join you after you've killed Malak.
The guy that made the philosophy of Kreia video made one on Jolee and the inability for Carth to save you is essential to make it work, so it's interesting to see that there was in fact an alternative ending for it. It might actually be the video you mentioned about 6 mins in
I had to disengage from that guy’s channel as soon as I saw a video he made called “In Defense of Lolicon and Loli Art” 🤢 Papito Quinn’s Kreia’s Conundrums are superior to the person who made the philosophy of Kreia videos anyway.
@@Loganjlr Yeahh it was super weird seeing that on his channel when I went to check out other videos after only knowing of the Kreia video for a long time. There's a thread out there of him being shown as a creep so it's a shame that a video as in-depth such as that one has the voice of a weirdo, who, unlike what he tried to disprove in that crazy loli art video, has the potential to be a criminal irl
I love KotOR for many things, and in them, for one especially, the consistency of the story. Your choices matters, your choices are shaping countries, planets, and even galaxy itself. In that aspect KotOR is almost one of a kind, and truly unique.
I played this on my first playthrough of Kotor1 with the restoration mod and it stuck with me until this day, what a wonderfully tragic and cathartic way to end the dark side path.
This ending could have been removed for KOTOR 2 story to make sense with this ending. Kotor 2 story works with both dark and light side ending in kotor 1. But neutral option would be harder to adapt without Revan in story. Also, personally i want a neutral ending with Revan surviving, (grey jedi ending). Ex. Balancing both dark and light side of force, dark side enough to kill Malak, Light enough to destroy star forge.
@@100StarWars Yes, but Light side ending spins the Jedi council's deception in positive way, which make the Kotor 2's council decision of banishing the exile more towards the light side. (Which actually is the cause put forth to push exile to dark side)
There's no such thing as balancing light and dark. The Light Side is the Force. The Dark Side is an unnatural corruption of that. The Jedi Council are jerks and stubborn fools but that doesn't mean the Light Side is bad.
It'd be interesting to see how much of the cut content the remake will touch upon if at all. Maybe introduce more endings. More side quests are a safe bet. (Personally still hoping for a Kotor 2 remake after the kotor 1 remake). I am also interested in what some of the earlier story ideas of kotor 1 were, how some characters differed in their concept stage compared to the final product (HK originally being a mute assassin instead of the talaktive meatbag hating droid that we know and love).
@@nicholasmorgan7609 my wish for a "remake" actually is hmmmmm give us everything we had and put back the droid factory and other cut stuff to make it an improvement over the first version.
Totally knew about it and it was an early discovery by modders who put it back in the game. (All you need to do is remove one bugged line of code in a dialogue file) I will also say that Raphael Sbarge earned every cent of that paycheck because he sold the whole thing on just his voice acting. For a time, it was a favored AU scenario for fanfic/fanart on kotorfanmedia (seriously, if you want to know much of anything about kotor fanfic, I will totally infodump. I also know a bit about modding history) I think I also recall David Gaider (Bioware writer and the guy who wrote the dialogue files for Carth and Bastila) saying it would have been his preferred ending, but that the lack of sequel potential was why it got vetoed. Gaider being one of the head writers on Dragon Age...well, this kind of ending totally fits with the Dragon Age "every option is a bad one" running theme. It certainly would be an *unusual* ending as far as Star Wars goes because it rejects the binary and it isn't the whole agape ideal, but also very fitting with Star Wars because Star Wars is all over how the small, personal dramas can have galaxy-spanning consequences.
I honestly hope in the remake they include new endings, maybe even one where Revan still loves Carth but knowing she can't have him maybe enslaves him or makes a clone that is made to love her, probably won't happen but would be cool.
It would be cool to have a mass effect style of old republic game, where each decision we make impacts the story in some way. It would make it feel like our actions in the game had more consequences, particularly if we choose the dark side path.
Carth always bothered me when you do the dark side. Having sworn to defeat the Sith and save the Republic, he looks at Mission and the rest and says "see ya!" and runs off to never be seen again.
I would change this ending a little, since the Eben Hawk is right there I would have had Carth convince Reven that the Path she is on will only lead to death, hers included, and that Bastila has to die. You kill her and jump on the Eben Hawk, and Carth makes a jump to somewhere they can hide from everyone, convincing you to abandon the force entirely so you can both live out our lives in peace together. This would make it the true romance ending and tie into the fact you start KoToR II disconnected from the force, and keeps Carth alive.
Your player character in KOTOR 2 is not Revan, but yes, it doesn't make sense that you have to die in this third ending when the Ebon Hawk is RIGHT THERE.
Interesting. I had never heard of this ending. One issue might also be, the Ebon Hawk is parked behind them in that ending, and so would also be destroyed if it was there with them when the station was destroyed.
Correct it is because of the Ebon Hawk still on the station and that Carth was still alive if chose a Redemption ending and would again have to be re-edited.
Ooh, heard of this a long time back, but honestly interesting. Yep, here's hoping it gets restored in the remake, regardless of whether or not it'll be in the game's story proper or bonus content. (Canon be damned, too! Multiverse Theory for life!) Edit: How kind of the Republic to send a rescue force for Carth in this ending though. Addendum: Really hate sequels that streamline their predecessors' branches, if not cut them outright (something the Baldur's Gate: Bhaalspawn Saga, the Witcher trilogy, and the Mass Effect trilogy succeed on via the old save bonus, and where the Fallout games, the Dishonored duology, the Fable games, and, in a lesser degree, the Hitman games fail on).
Yeah I’m really hoping they go all out on the remake storywise with what if scenarios to just let the player have fun. They’ve already said it isn’t canon so there doesn’t need to be a set path the player must choose. Personally the big change I’d make would be that the male player and female player are totally separate characters so that I get to feel like I’m actually the main heroine of the story for once, not Bastila. It’s why as a woman I didn’t enjoy this game nearly as much as the sequel, it was very clear to me that Revan was supposed to be a man and hardly any changes were made to accommodate that if the player wasn’t. Unfortunately it looks like the new team has writers who will put their own beliefs ahead of telling a fun, satisfying story and actually making a good game but let’s see what happens.
I think I saw this from a video once. And another "neutral" ending but for the male Revan. Although I'm pretty sure that was completely mod created and the uploader was trying to make people believe it was real. Although It's kind of messed up that they don't even try to escape. I think Canderous survives on the beach, so I guess they're content with him going down too.
I'm assuming it all has to do with battle meditation. Light or dark, Bastilla uses it to turn the tide. If you're dark side, then it was already to late for the republic to turn it around. She wasn't using it in that moment anyway so it affects nothing if she lives or dies.
Honestly kotor1 is amazing. I especially loved the cutscenes where it breaks from the usual character animation. Why we didn't get that in kotor2 is beyond me but I wish we had it
KOTOR2 was set for "Winter 2004", and a lot of content got cut. A team of modders, over the course of a few years, pieced together a giant mod for TSL, that in their own words, 'to the best of (their) abilities...", implement the content as close as possible to what they believe was the developers' original vision for the game. The TSL Restored Content Mod adds so much to the game.
0:15 Or rather, for 3 years, until Nihilis goes all Thanos mode on the Jedi. I wish we got to see the Jedi purge during that time. Just having entire enclaves disappearing off the map, entire councils wiped out in hours, with no traces left behind except corpses drained if the force, and left as husks. Thatd be awesome.
I would love to see a redemption root for dark side players in the remake, even if they don't add back this cut ending. One thing I used to imagine back when I used to play the game way, way back in my childhood, was the possibility to turn Dark, and later redeem myself in an important moment due to companions persuading me to turn back to the light side. Maybe they can add slight ending tweaks or alternative endings (None cannon) into the mix for those who want to stay grey and add even more replayablity. I know Star Wars has always been primarily a binary Light vs Dark story, everything is almost Black and White as what is good and what is bad, but Kotor 2 is a good example of the grey side of things could work in Star Wars. Don't know about anyone else, but having a grey root, and redemption root in the story sounds awesome to me.
I've played so much of this game on the Xbox Original, I used to love this ending as one of my faves. Sucks though I can never convince Carth to turn evil- at least none that I can remember.
I've always been upset with the two extremes of light and dark. I feel that what Jolee says is quite accurate but it also depends on the individual. I hate how the Jedi always say "balance" but still try to vanquish the dark. Isn't balance an equal amount of good and bad. Jedi Academy touched on this with Kyle Katarn saying that powers are not good or bad, it's how you use them. Clearly I am not the only person who feels this way and so would love to have some more force neutral choices and consequences for Kotor and many more games.
Like you said the dark side isnt bad it actually had a different name by the je-di order till some decided to stray to close to the dark side and as for good and bad evil will one day be locked away for good
No, in Star Wars, balance is not an equal amount of good and bad. The Force is balance. It's nature. The dark side of the Force is unbalance. It's corruption.
Perhaps, but the "balance" is never explained very well in the movies. And I use those as they are the most accessible to people who don't play the games or read the books and comics. Thus it creates confusion that I thought was going to be explained with the training of Rey. Luke basically mentions that light is life and dark is death but that the death and decay feed new life. This was a better explanation of why balance between both light and dark should be achieved. If there was a misunderstanding with this then these last 3 movies would have been the perfect way to explain this to the audience at large. However, like with most films these days, they wasted the opportunity by simply going for big space and ground combat without the lore and understanding being achieved.
@@grabitt I'm not sure why you thought that anything helpful to Star Wars would be explained in the Sequels. At best they were going to go with something safe and stylish but lacking substance. Instead we got... Subverted expectations.
I've known about this ending for years. It's the only way I'll do a DS ending when playing as female. So thankful to JDNoa for the restoration mod. I agree that this ending was likely cut because it nukes any DS female Revan for K2. However, I could see it as an unlockable ending in K1's remake/remaster. Edit: I hadn't thought of the parallel of male PC redeeming Bastila through love and Carth redeeming female PC through love. Such a Star Wars thing.
This kind of ending sounds a lot like the one in Rogue one where they had love but it didn’t save them from death in the end so I think in many ways this ending is totally Star Wars
Rogue One came after the Disney purchase. KOTOR came first, back in 2003. I'm sure the Legends lore has similar scenarios. That particular ending, mentioned in this video, does do a good job of giving the player the consequences of their actions. If the player had chosen to abandon the dark side earlier on, then they would have survived. However, only at the very last, changing their nature, the player now has consequences for everything up to that point, which in this case mean death. In that regard, it's totally KOTOR.
Kotor was the first game I was ever given as a gift. I have played it every which way you can. I never understood. I had just assumed the developers wanted you to kill Carth to cement you into "I am evil and must kill the man I love." Kind of how you can choose to kill Bastila for betraying you. Thank you for the answer to a question I didn't remember I had.
It might have been the time in history that this game was released combined with the age that I was at the time, but I truly do believe that no game will ever feel like this game ever again.
I'm not sure if this was just a mod, but I'm pretty sure that there was a fourth (similar to this) potential ending in which there was a proper neutral pathway. It could've involved the player and Bastila simply walking away from The Sith and The Republic once Malak had been dealt with. As I say, it may have been just a mod, but that would've been pretty cool, too, regardless if the player had romanced Bastila/ Carth or not (YES I DID WATCH THE VIDEO XD).
I once tried to do the light side story the fewest possible number of companions without falling to the dark side. Turns out, you can kind of be bad at your job. You can 1. kill Juhani, 2. leave Zaalbar on Kashyyk and just find the star map without running into his dad, 3. do the story on Tatooine without buying HK-47, and 4. Kill Bastilla before you fight Malak. Makes the light side's end cutscene a little different, because there's only like four companions with you. It's just you, Mission, Canderous, Jolee, and T3 lol. And Carth, forgot about him.
Yeah heard about that ending many years ago, sadly it’s actually not just adding depth to KOTOR but starwars in general, fantastic touch in a almost perfect game I say
It's an interesting choice. However, this ending kind of take away from Revan character and the Malak denouncement. At this point Revan has recovers her memory, and if she pick the dark side, it would likely indicate that she is more the ruthlessly decisive general that would do anything to bring a quick end to war than the good nature recovering amnesiac. If she switch again here it would make her a bit wishy washy and at the same time it would also take away from the weight Malak final thoughts. Malak laments about how Revan is given a 2nd chance and he wasn't. I guess he should thank the Force he is dark side and could not become a force ghost like Obi wan, he would be pretty mad to learn Revan got a 3rd chance, maybe upset enough to see finally see the wisdom in Kreia's belief that the Force should be killed :D BTW, I am not against adding the choice in the remake. There are ways to write it to avoid the above problem and it would provide a surprise for us who played the first game to death.
I managed a neutral ending once out of the dozen or more times I've played this game. Somehow, I made the right sequence of choices so that my light/dark alignment was square in the middle when I fought Malak on the Star Forge (can't remember how, though) and Malak's final speech mentioned something about Revan being neither light nor dark. I overwrote that save game and can't remember the exact dialogue after so long, but a 'neutral' ending does still exist in the base game.
Are you talking about the line where Malak says "Savior, conquer, hero, villain. You are all thing Revan... and yet you are nothing. In the end you belong neither to the light nor the darkness. You will forever be alone." Because if so he says that if you follow the light side ending
Is there no “canon” ending? This feels weird. I personally consider the actual ending was the light side as a redemption of sorts. With bastila alive and in love with us ofc
It is also easily forgotten that the Jedi way is not by any means the only force light side based code, and is often stated repeatedly to be inherently flawed. Love can be dark, and it can be good. Just as honor can be good and it can be dark. You can fight someone out of a desire to protect something you love and never tap into the dark side- unless you were fighting hatefully, channeling negative emotion through the force to destroy what is threatening what you love. Honor, if your honor is based in a sense of morality and trying to do what's right for what's rights sake, it is hard to see it stumbling down the dark. But if your honor is based in pride, and ego, it's easy to see where anger, and frustration can bleed in. Love is as you said a very grey emotion. It can inspire positive feelings, its just it's risk for the negative that Jedi avoid it. Overbearing attempts to self control instead of just having emotional restraint to begin with. Like bottling, instead of relieving pressure. It's why it's no wonder when a Jedi falls, they fall hard.
Very well made points about that ending that made me think and put together why I've always been disappointed with the FemRevan ending. I am hoping that they expand on some of the character arcs and allow more growth of the KOTOR l story as, to be honest, it was a great story when it came out but could be just so much more now if they allowed the game to expand more on the character arcs. Even if it was just the character arcs.
Hi. If they added this subversive layer in a remake, they'd have to address other fortified ideas as well, to the point it would feel either kinda patch work-esque, or different. I guess it could work. 🤷 To me, K1 lacked some of the nuance of K2, but that's fine to me. Sometimes the archetypal story is good as a foundation to build more complex sequals on top. 👍 I'm trying to remember why K1 worked. That game had one major subversive plot point that blew my socks off. I still remember that experience, I was with my bestfriend. Our jaws fell to the floor. I think it worked because I never anticipated it. I bet that was what Return of the Jedi felt like when it aired on cinema. I'm not sure about it either way, but thank you for bringing it to light. :)
Good point with your argument about that particular endings and the fact that it should still be a part of the game. However I wanted to take it one step further.. been thinking for a long time they should do a complete reboot of both the first and second Kotor. And regardless of what gender character you choose beginning of the game; whether you choose male or female white or black or something in between there should be other options as well you should be able to choose different alien races as your primary player character it literally be able to choose any one of your crew members or companions regardless of their gender or species as the romantic interest. Like for example if you wanted to choose a female revan that's human have a romantic relationship with a twi'lek female. Or Johanni the Cathar female with the Russian accent. Or a male-male, let's say you choose a Devaronian or a Zabrack or a Twi'lek or a Wookie for that matter. As your lead male character choose one is the male crew members or companions as a romantic partner. If we're going to be all inclusive then let's be all inclusive. I think they limit the game a whole lot. Video game technology, for graphics and gameplay OS storylines have come a long way since the first Kotor was made. We live in a more progressive society than what we did then and the technology that we have is significantly more advanced than what we had then. They could reboot both the first and second games and make them so much better than the originals. Even adding additional abilities or dialogue options. And because it's based on a storyline iconic among Star wars fans and gamers alike like that would be very very popular in the company who makes it would make probably 4 or 5 times more than they did from the first two. So from this perspective there's really not a good enough reason to NOT create the reboot of each one. WEIGHING THE PROS AND THE CONS. There's no adequate argument against rebooting both games.
This is a neat ending from a story POV, especially looking in as a member of the audience rather than the player, but I do wonder if it was taken out because Bioware didn't think people would actually choose it. This is mostly applicable to first-time players, rather than repeat players, but if somebody goes through the puppy-kicking requirements to get to the Dark Side ending, I find it unlikely that most players would choose to go against all of that and snatch at some last minute redemption. Some certainly would, but I suspect they're in a pretty heavy minority. Of course, I imagine a lot more people would end up picking that ending in a subsequent playthrough, so if I'm right it means Bioware wasn't really thinking about repeat play, which would be a little short-sighted on their part. But I do wonder!
honestly i would have liked getting to experience this ending as it sounds cool. i played as a female evil revan when it first came out but met him again, he was just forever lost on the planet until in the 2nd game he showed up as an admiral.
What I would have really loved was if light and dark side were independent from the ending. You would still have two endings one where you destroy the Star Forge and one where you use it but both endings could be done by a light and a dark side Revan and just give a different perspective on the ending.
Should've stayed in. It doesn't have to count as any kind of connonicity. There are plenty of games out there with multiple endings. But only 1 or 2 of them was cannon. I'm not exactly sure if these are good or bad examples. So please excuse me and give me a little leeway. But there's the infamous series. And the mass effect series.
As someone who loves KOTOR dearly, I don’t think there is much of a point in this ending. Not only it’s strange because you go through the whole thing of being dark side and end it by getting ourselves killed over “love”. No. If this kind of scene were to be included, it should be BEFORE the events at the Star Forge. This scene should happen when you first encounter Carth and the gang at the unknown planet when you turn to the dark side. THEN, you get THIS where Carth BEGS you to “please, don’t do this. I love you!” Yada yada. And THEN you can even be presented with a choice to either turn your back on Bastila, pull a Kylo Ren as you get close to Carth and stab him with your lightsaber, or just let him run. That’s what I think. Otherwise this ending would be strange for the reason I mentioned, along with how it wouldn’t make sense for the story in KOTOR 2 to follow up on.
I remember doing dark side for my female Revan and met Carth on the Star Forge and went back to the light and not killing anyone and getting back on the Ebon Hawk and flying away.
I love the cut ending but I also understand why it was cut. Though it's not like character death has stopped bioware since (Morrigan, Leliana, Flemeth). They could've just said something stupid like, "Somehow Revan returned."
i'm unshure, because i don't like these "Last Moment Change of Heart" when you don't see at least a spot of light in them. And if you played Revan as the complete Sith Arse the hole time, which you tend to do if there are basicly 2 Sides and no middle ground, i don't know if it's feels right and a bit cheap so maybe it should be locked out as an option if you're "sithy" and maybe my memorie betrays me, but Bastila also wasn't that pure "sithy" to begin with so there was still hope of redemption And it reminds me of Rogue One and the best Ending of a Star Wars Movie
The ending could've been reworked where Revan and Carth escape on the Ebon Hawk instead of dying, leading to the LS ending but with less party members present (Carth, Canderous, T3, and HK ). K2 already does not adhear to K1 anyways since K2 implies HK traveled with Revan during the events of K1 when it's possible to skip his recruitment in K1. Which I find funny since they respected the idea of Bastila, Carth, Jolee, Juhani, Mission, and Zalbaar all being expandable, but didn't give HK the same treatment.
I know about this ending for a long time now, since the modders have done a great job at resurrecting it. In my opinion both LS, and DS have a great endings in this game. But I am really worried about SW KOTOR Remake, because there are leaks that it will be Souls type of a game with none of RPG elements.
Honestly that ending could have been kept with the minor tweak of Revan surviving and more or less choosing to bow out of the public eye immediately after the Star Forge explodes then leaving to unknown space as per usual. 🤷
I wonder if it would it be possible if they change the fate of Revan & Carth by having them escape the star forge before it is destroyed. I mean they're standing in the hanger and the Ebon Hawk is right there. Or, at the very least give the player the option to leave, or to stay. Surely Carth could have contacted the Republic Fleet to warn them before they began their assault on the star forge, thus buying them some time.
In the original, non-mod version for the original xbox KOTOR, there was another awesome ending- As a male Revan you had the choice to persuade Malak to redeem himself. If he does, you fully heal him. Together with the rest of the crew you ditch the star forge and Republic desroys it. And at the end Malak is included in the celebration along with the rest of the crew.
yeah true and in the original, non-mod version for the original playstation KOTOR, there was another awesome ending- As a male Revan you had the choice to use the force to summon Jar Jar from the future who then kills Malak himself. Together with the rest of the crew you ditch the star forge and become Jar Jar's apprentice's and rule the galaxy together.
I know it would change the story a good bit and force a major new ending. However, I wish there had bin a Gray option. They are cannon, rare, but they are out there.
Honestly one thing I'll always love about swtor and kotor is that it makes the canon version being that Revan is male and that he and Bastilla have a child who eventually gives birth to the female jedi master from swtor trailers
If they do intend to remake both games, I hope they can better implement all the choices you make that lead into KOTOR 2. Similar to how they did with Mass Effect.
I think the neutral ending wouldn't have hurt 2 much. The main issue would be the Ebon Hawk but they could have included something like you ordering T3 or another party member still on the ship to take the ship and run
Looks like they had plenty of time to run to the ebon hawk if they hadn't stuck around to talk and Carth prepped the ship while Bastilla was being put down.
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You can save Bastilla not only as a lover but also as a friend. A freind/familly even it's "found Familly" saving you is part of starwars charm.
That end would be a good 1st step into KotoR 2 also... good deeds can have terrible repercurtion, bad even can in the long run have good consequences, even the most insignificant act can set great thing in motion.
For once, only FemRevan.
Well I think it should’ve been kept imo, K.O.T.O.R.2 could’ve still worked even if they have to delay the game (I don’t think they could’ve) so the player’s story could’ve comtinued, idk that’s my opinion.
It could NOT be available for a male Revan, and to be honest, this ending should not be in a KotOR II remake, if the team decides to follow up the remake of the first game. However, if it does end up in the KotOR remake, I would not mind it. I intend to play it when it comes out, hoping to have the same experience I did last last year and thirteen years before that, the last two times I played this game. Knights of the Old Republic is one of my favorite games of all time, and Revan is my favorite Star Wars character outside the movies and my second-favorite overall, eclipsed only by Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.
I wish we would get SW Kotor 3.
You forgot one ending that’s still in the game. You have the light side ending, the dark side ending, and the secret ending wherein revan uses his mastery of the force to turn Malak into a Dancing twi’lek girl and proceeds to dance with her.
That's the true cannon ending
wtf?
dancedancemalak lets GO!
the true dark powers lol
I can’t believe that’s a real ending. I just saw it, but I still can’t believe it
I've played a mod that restored this cut content. There's actually multiple choices here.
* One had Revan killing Carth.
* Revan orders Bastila to kill Carth.
* Bastila kills Carth when Revan hesitates.
* And the option you showed here.
Can you send me this mod, pls?
What’s the mod?
Mod it up
What's the name of the mod :D
That makes it awkward since Carth is an admiral in KOTOR 2.
4:03 I don't know, Bastila seems to be on board with the plan of killing her, given how she keeps chopping her own head off with her lightsaber.
Lmao
Characters are so careless with lightsabres. Lol
Brings to mind Jolee's words about love redeeming.
Indeed.
I believe the specific word was save rather than redeem.
Jolee is top 5 and no one can say otherwise
@@WeezerFan505 Jolee is the GOAT. The redemption arc and the aspect of hope is a big reason why kotor 1 will always be my fav!
Should've been kept in. Seeing as there is only ONE cannon ending and the others are legends, what does it matter if there is a jack knife ending like that? It's still an interesting ending that follows the "tell your own story" concept.
Agreed.
Technically it's all legends so none of it matters at this point. With that said there are the valid points that Carth appears in KOTOR 2 and the story for KOTOR 2 would exclude this ending alienating anyone wishing to continue with this ending. A better ending would have been saving Carth and escaping the Forge just in time for it to blow up as your flying away. Then in 2 the Carth clip can have more meaning as he is now trying to use the pc to find Revan.
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Carth only appears in some endings of KotOR 2. A dark-side female Revan ending could simply have the alternate Republic admiral in place of Carth and mention the ending as "rumors of Revan's death" instead of the "disappeared from the galaxy" mentions in the game. Wouldn't actually change much of KotOR 2.
>have no time to get off the star forge
>ebon hawk is right behind them during the many minutes they spend talking
I would be so happy if the remake included this ending. As you said, it would bring something more to the player's and Carth's romance. I agree that his and Juhani's romance should be expanded. Bastila is such an integral part of the story even without romancing her but Carth stays in the sidelines even if you choose to romance him imo. And you hardly had a romance option for Juhani...... It would be super cool if the female Revan could have a proper ending with Juhani.
I have a feeling Juhani's will be expanded upon.
I don't think Juhani would fall in love with a male Revan though. Incompatible orientations and all that.
Still, they better restore the cut content involving her... we've come a long way since 2003.
@Taru L ugh an ending of *dying* with carth??I can barely stand him which is why in ME1 Ashley survives and Kaidan dies.
Killing her IS the proper ending. :)
I always thought brining back Carth for a bit in K2 really added to his romance with the player.
Seeing how Raven was characterized in later instalments and lore it's kinda glaring that Kotor didn't have a neutral ending imo. I hope the remake adds more endings ranging from a pure light, several shades of light into neutral into dark and a pure dark ending.
Bioware's morality systems then were more blatant and extreme. Either glaringly (literally) good or overtly evil.
Revan was mischaracterised in later installments by ravenous cult followers. That you think the revanites had a better take on who Revan was than the Revan who was actually in the Kotor game, is rather silly. Not to mention all of SWTOR functions on a canonical light side male Revan who romanced Bastila, as is necessary for Satele to exist, and for Revan himself to show as a character
I mean, I kinda get your point...but what exactly would be a 'neutral' ending to this? Just...turn around and go home after the Lost Planet? You either STOP the baddies, making yourself a goodie....or you take over the baddies, making yourself the baddie. I fail to see the neutral option available honestly
@@moscanaveia I think he thinks about kotor II
@@gandhiusz233 Nah, in K2 you pick good or evil ending. Only in SWTOR do they theorize about grey revan
Super secret 4th ending - the HK-47 romance.
🤣
Super super secret ending - Zaalbar romance
All you have to do for that is make a kneeshot from 120m away, then he'll love you lol
Also, development for Kotor 2 already started before the release of Kotor 1, so it can be that Obsidian asked Bioware to not kill off Revan.
The removal of this ending makes sense, though I agree that it is an interesting scene. Luckily, there are mods that allow to have it in the game.
Possibly.
That doesnt matter. Cus they self pick 1 ending that is canon.
@@Robin...222 It's not about what is canon. Although Revan didn't appear in Kotor 2, him being still alive was important for both the light side and dark side playthrough. Also, Obisidian wouldn't have had the time to make a third storyline in which Revan died.
@@starlighter93 no it does matter, the republic and carth wouldnt existed in kotor 2 if revan chose the dark side
@@mr.fantastic6568 No, it doesn't matter. Kotor 2 literally gives you the option in the beginning to have the dark side ending have happened and has scenes change to reflect that choice since Carth being alive wasn't important to Kotor 2's story and the republic is fractured and on the brink either way. Revan being alive however was important for the story of Kotor 2.
This is why KOTOR is so SO good and lasts, Drew Kryp and his writing team spend so damn long writing every possible thing you’d reasonably consider and allows you to truly make the adventure your own. Great video as always, love the thumbnail.
Bruh. I didn't realize this was a Drew Karpyshyn story... that explains so much! He is the reason Mass Effect was pure gold. What an amazing writer!
Since the pre-production for Kotor 2 started before the release of the first game, one can understand why this ending was cut. If Revan dies then a chunk of the sequel's lore gets derrailed almost completly, specially Canderous whos mission to restore the Mandalorians revolves around the events right after Kotor 1.
However if instead they left the ending in as a "make your own story" arc, that would annihilate completly everyone who choose it, and I'm damn sure those people would still to this day ask Obsidian for the lore implementation of such ending into Kotor 2.
That said... I do like that ending, specially it's relation to what Jolee told about love and it's missconceptions on the eyes of the Jedi Enclave, not to mention is a tragic finale, Carth's "everything will be over soon" as both await death at the top of the Rakata technological terror is a scene for the history books.
I think it would've been a cool idea to have kept it in. Imagine if they would've done what they did with the Witcher games and the sequel game can detect save data, and the choices you made in kotor 1 affects some story elements in kotor 2.
Also I like the mod with a Dark Side ending where you Force "persuade" Carth to join you after you've killed Malak.
Uff, that would've been great.
The guy that made the philosophy of Kreia video made one on Jolee and the inability for Carth to save you is essential to make it work, so it's interesting to see that there was in fact an alternative ending for it.
It might actually be the video you mentioned about 6 mins in
He may indeed be the one!
I had to disengage from that guy’s channel as soon as I saw a video he made called “In Defense of Lolicon and Loli Art” 🤢 Papito Quinn’s Kreia’s Conundrums are superior to the person who made the philosophy of Kreia videos anyway.
Big up Papi Qinn.
@@Loganjlr Yeahh it was super weird seeing that on his channel when I went to check out other videos after only knowing of the Kreia video for a long time. There's a thread out there of him being shown as a creep so it's a shame that a video as in-depth such as that one has the voice of a weirdo, who, unlike what he tried to disprove in that crazy loli art video, has the potential to be a criminal irl
I love KotOR for many things, and in them, for one especially, the consistency of the story. Your choices matters, your choices are shaping countries, planets, and even galaxy itself. In that aspect KotOR is almost one of a kind, and truly unique.
I played this on my first playthrough of Kotor1 with the restoration mod and it stuck with me until this day, what a wonderfully tragic and cathartic way to end the dark side path.
maybe a... carth-artic way to end it? 🤣
This ending could have been removed for KOTOR 2 story to make sense with this ending.
Kotor 2 story works with both dark and light side ending in kotor 1. But neutral option would be harder to adapt without Revan in story.
Also, personally i want a neutral ending with Revan surviving, (grey jedi ending).
Ex. Balancing both dark and light side of force, dark side enough to kill Malak, Light enough to destroy star forge.
Isn't that just... the light side ending?
No, you're wrong. Light side was conon for KOTOR 2
@@100StarWars Yes, but Light side ending spins the Jedi council's deception in positive way, which make the Kotor 2's council decision of banishing the exile more towards the light side. (Which actually is the cause put forth to push exile to dark side)
@@lomborg4876 Yes, Light side is cannon. This point was, if there was a neutral ending planned in Kotor 1.
There's no such thing as balancing light and dark. The Light Side is the Force. The Dark Side is an unnatural corruption of that. The Jedi Council are jerks and stubborn fools but that doesn't mean the Light Side is bad.
It'd be interesting to see how much of the cut content the remake will touch upon if at all. Maybe introduce more endings. More side quests are a safe bet. (Personally still hoping for a Kotor 2 remake after the kotor 1 remake). I am also interested in what some of the earlier story ideas of kotor 1 were, how some characters differed in their concept stage compared to the final product (HK originally being a mute assassin instead of the talaktive meatbag hating droid that we know and love).
We can dream for the KOTOR 2 remake uff
Recruit Juhani while she’s dark side instead of killing/redeeming her to the Jedi
I have no faith in a remake
@@inarithekitsune9988 you can do that???how ???
@@nicholasmorgan7609 my wish for a "remake" actually is hmmmmm give us everything we had and put back the droid factory and other cut stuff to make it an improvement over the first version.
Carth is the epitome of “its ok, i can fix you 🥺🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞”
Totally knew about it and it was an early discovery by modders who put it back in the game. (All you need to do is remove one bugged line of code in a dialogue file) I will also say that Raphael Sbarge earned every cent of that paycheck because he sold the whole thing on just his voice acting. For a time, it was a favored AU scenario for fanfic/fanart on kotorfanmedia (seriously, if you want to know much of anything about kotor fanfic, I will totally infodump. I also know a bit about modding history)
I think I also recall David Gaider (Bioware writer and the guy who wrote the dialogue files for Carth and Bastila) saying it would have been his preferred ending, but that the lack of sequel potential was why it got vetoed. Gaider being one of the head writers on Dragon Age...well, this kind of ending totally fits with the Dragon Age "every option is a bad one" running theme. It certainly would be an *unusual* ending as far as Star Wars goes because it rejects the binary and it isn't the whole agape ideal, but also very fitting with Star Wars because Star Wars is all over how the small, personal dramas can have galaxy-spanning consequences.
I honestly hope in the remake they include new endings, maybe even one where Revan still loves Carth but knowing she can't have him maybe enslaves him or makes a clone that is made to love her, probably won't happen but would be cool.
It would be cool to have a mass effect style of old republic game, where each decision we make impacts the story in some way. It would make it feel like our actions in the game had more consequences, particularly if we choose the dark side path.
I like the ending where Carth just says fuck it and turn dark with Female Revan and Bastila, funny asf
I wouldn't complain lol
4:57 not ideology of lightside but THE JEDI. So a flawed one at best.
first. i am stil wating for kotor 3 tho
Aren't we all :(
Me too I hope obsidian makes it one day though with SWTOR existing for a decade now I sadly doubt it
I love how they claim they don't have enough time to get away while I'm staring at the Ebon Hawk right behind them. 🙄
Carth always bothered me when you do the dark side. Having sworn to defeat the Sith and save the Republic, he looks at Mission and the rest and says "see ya!" and runs off to never be seen again.
maybe they removed it because they wanted the ebon hawk in the second game and it wouldve been destroyed when the star forge crashed into the star
I remember seeing this years ago and thinking oh yeah that's neat, hopefully the remake will include some more cut content like this!
I would change this ending a little, since the Eben Hawk is right there I would have had Carth convince Reven that the Path she is on will only lead to death, hers included, and that Bastila has to die. You kill her and jump on the Eben Hawk, and Carth makes a jump to somewhere they can hide from everyone, convincing you to abandon the force entirely so you can both live out our lives in peace together.
This would make it the true romance ending and tie into the fact you start KoToR II disconnected from the force, and keeps Carth alive.
Your player character in KOTOR 2 is not Revan, but yes, it doesn't make sense that you have to die in this third ending when the Ebon Hawk is RIGHT THERE.
Interesting. I had never heard of this ending. One issue might also be, the Ebon Hawk is parked behind them in that ending, and so would also be destroyed if it was there with them when the station was destroyed.
Correct it is because of the Ebon Hawk still on the station and that Carth was still alive if chose a Redemption ending and would again have to be re-edited.
Ooh, heard of this a long time back, but honestly interesting.
Yep, here's hoping it gets restored in the remake, regardless of whether or not it'll be in the game's story proper or bonus content. (Canon be damned, too! Multiverse Theory for life!)
Edit: How kind of the Republic to send a rescue force for Carth in this ending though.
Addendum: Really hate sequels that streamline their predecessors' branches, if not cut them outright (something the Baldur's Gate: Bhaalspawn Saga, the Witcher trilogy, and the Mass Effect trilogy succeed on via the old save bonus, and where the Fallout games, the Dishonored duology, the Fable games, and, in a lesser degree, the Hitman games fail on).
Yeah I’m really hoping they go all out on the remake storywise with what if scenarios to just let the player have fun.
They’ve already said it isn’t canon so there doesn’t need to be a set path the player must choose.
Personally the big change I’d make would be that the male player and female player are totally separate characters so that I get to feel like I’m actually the main heroine of the story for once, not Bastila. It’s why as a woman I didn’t enjoy this game nearly as much as the sequel, it was very clear to me that Revan was supposed to be a man and hardly any changes were made to accommodate that if the player wasn’t.
Unfortunately it looks like the new team has writers who will put their own beliefs ahead of telling a fun, satisfying story and actually making a good game but let’s see what happens.
Very thoughtful of them haha
I'll be honest. The fact there is a Canon ending pisses me off 15 years later. Revsn is male, female, good and bad
But jo he's a male baddy. F off
So they are in the hanger with the Ebon Hawk yet dont have time to board it and fly away?
I love it. I always hated what happened to Carth in the dark side ending, and I hope they reinstate it
This ending is very interesting and I would love to see it in the remake. Carth was always my favorite character and I would die with him.
I think I saw this from a video once. And another "neutral" ending but for the male Revan. Although I'm pretty sure that was completely mod created and the uploader was trying to make people believe it was real. Although It's kind of messed up that they don't even try to escape. I think Canderous survives on the beach, so I guess they're content with him going down too.
Yeah I know the mod you speak off.
I'm assuming it all has to do with battle meditation. Light or dark, Bastilla uses it to turn the tide. If you're dark side, then it was already to late for the republic to turn it around. She wasn't using it in that moment anyway so it affects nothing if she lives or dies.
Honestly kotor1 is amazing. I especially loved the cutscenes where it breaks from the usual character animation. Why we didn't get that in kotor2 is beyond me but I wish we had it
Lack of time likely.
Rushed development. They ended even cutting things they already had because they could not mesh everything together.
KOTOR2 was set for "Winter 2004", and a lot of content got cut. A team of modders, over the course of a few years, pieced together a giant mod for TSL, that in their own words, 'to the best of (their) abilities...", implement the content as close as possible to what they believe was the developers' original vision for the game.
The TSL Restored Content Mod adds so much to the game.
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Or rather, for 3 years, until Nihilis goes all Thanos mode on the Jedi.
I wish we got to see the Jedi purge during that time. Just having entire enclaves disappearing off the map, entire councils wiped out in hours, with no traces left behind except corpses drained if the force, and left as husks.
Thatd be awesome.
I would love to see a redemption root for dark side players in the remake, even if they don't add back this cut ending. One thing I used to imagine back when I used to play the game way, way back in my childhood, was the possibility to turn Dark, and later redeem myself in an important moment due to companions persuading me to turn back to the light side. Maybe they can add slight ending tweaks or alternative endings (None cannon) into the mix for those who want to stay grey and add even more replayablity. I know Star Wars has always been primarily a binary Light vs Dark story, everything is almost Black and White as what is good and what is bad, but Kotor 2 is a good example of the grey side of things could work in Star Wars.
Don't know about anyone else, but having a grey root, and redemption root in the story sounds awesome to me.
The best ending is where you turn Malak into a Twi’lek dancer.
true
I have a strange memory of getting this ending.
They should have corrected this ending in a way that they both do not die but they take the Ebon Hawk and travel to the Unknown Regions.
I've played so much of this game on the Xbox Original, I used to love this ending as one of my faves.
Sucks though I can never convince Carth to turn evil- at least none that I can remember.
I've always been upset with the two extremes of light and dark. I feel that what Jolee says is quite accurate but it also depends on the individual. I hate how the Jedi always say "balance" but still try to vanquish the dark. Isn't balance an equal amount of good and bad.
Jedi Academy touched on this with Kyle Katarn saying that powers are not good or bad, it's how you use them. Clearly I am not the only person who feels this way and so would love to have some more force neutral choices and consequences for Kotor and many more games.
It's because for Jedi, the light side is the "natural" side of life and the dark side is a kind of misrepresentation of the force.
Like you said the dark side isnt bad it actually had a different name by the je-di order till some decided to stray to close to the dark side and as for good and bad evil will one day be locked away for good
No, in Star Wars, balance is not an equal amount of good and bad. The Force is balance. It's nature. The dark side of the Force is unbalance. It's corruption.
Perhaps, but the "balance" is never explained very well in the movies. And I use those as they are the most accessible to people who don't play the games or read the books and comics. Thus it creates confusion that I thought was going to be explained with the training of Rey. Luke basically mentions that light is life and dark is death but that the death and decay feed new life. This was a better explanation of why balance between both light and dark should be achieved. If there was a misunderstanding with this then these last 3 movies would have been the perfect way to explain this to the audience at large. However, like with most films these days, they wasted the opportunity by simply going for big space and ground combat without the lore and understanding being achieved.
@@grabitt I'm not sure why you thought that anything helpful to Star Wars would be explained in the Sequels. At best they were going to go with something safe and stylish but lacking substance.
Instead we got... Subverted expectations.
I've known about this ending for years. It's the only way I'll do a DS ending when playing as female. So thankful to JDNoa for the restoration mod.
I agree that this ending was likely cut because it nukes any DS female Revan for K2. However, I could see it as an unlockable ending in K1's remake/remaster.
Edit: I hadn't thought of the parallel of male PC redeeming Bastila through love and Carth redeeming female PC through love. Such a Star Wars thing.
Didn't Darth Vader turn back to the light right at the end. I know it is a little different but that's what it reminded me of.
That dancing tweilek ending.
This kind of ending sounds a lot like the one in Rogue one where they had love but it didn’t save them from death in the end so I think in many ways this ending is totally Star Wars
Rogue One came after the Disney purchase. KOTOR came first, back in 2003. I'm sure the Legends lore has similar scenarios.
That particular ending, mentioned in this video, does do a good job of giving the player the consequences of their actions. If the player had chosen to abandon the dark side earlier on, then they would have survived. However, only at the very last, changing their nature, the player now has consequences for everything up to that point, which in this case mean death.
In that regard, it's totally KOTOR.
Everyone: dies
Sith Empire: its free real estate
I honestly like zealot Bastila. She was kinda a better character. Sure got me to turn to the dark side.
Kotor was the first game I was ever given as a gift. I have played it every which way you can. I never understood. I had just assumed the developers wanted you to kill Carth to cement you into "I am evil and must kill the man I love." Kind of how you can choose to kill Bastila for betraying you. Thank you for the answer to a question I didn't remember I had.
lol, I remember back in my KoTOR modding days coming across the files for this ending and re-enabling it.
It might have been the time in history that this game was released combined with the age that I was at the time, but I truly do believe that no game will ever feel like this game ever again.
I remember seeing this ending on youtube at one point.
Yeah it's around! I linked one version in my description.
This is great! They really should have just left this in the game.
Having more options to play with is always a good thing.
I'm not sure if this was just a mod, but I'm pretty sure that there was a fourth (similar to this) potential ending in which there was a proper neutral pathway. It could've involved the player and Bastila simply walking away from The Sith and The Republic once Malak had been dealt with. As I say, it may have been just a mod, but that would've been pretty cool, too, regardless if the player had romanced Bastila/ Carth or not (YES I DID WATCH THE VIDEO XD).
That was a mod to my knowledge.
I once tried to do the light side story the fewest possible number of companions without falling to the dark side. Turns out, you can kind of be bad at your job. You can 1. kill Juhani, 2. leave Zaalbar on Kashyyk and just find the star map without running into his dad, 3. do the story on Tatooine without buying HK-47, and 4. Kill Bastilla before you fight Malak. Makes the light side's end cutscene a little different, because there's only like four companions with you. It's just you, Mission, Canderous, Jolee, and T3 lol. And Carth, forgot about him.
Yeah heard about that ending many years ago, sadly it’s actually not just adding depth to KOTOR but starwars in general, fantastic touch in a almost perfect game I say
It's an interesting choice. However, this ending kind of take away from Revan character and the Malak denouncement. At this point Revan has recovers her memory, and if she pick the dark side, it would likely indicate that she is more the ruthlessly decisive general that would do anything to bring a quick end to war than the good nature recovering amnesiac. If she switch again here it would make her a bit wishy washy and at the same time it would also take away from the weight Malak final thoughts. Malak laments about how Revan is given a 2nd chance and he wasn't. I guess he should thank the Force he is dark side and could not become a force ghost like Obi wan, he would be pretty mad to learn Revan got a 3rd chance, maybe upset enough to see finally see the wisdom in Kreia's belief that the Force should be killed :D
BTW, I am not against adding the choice in the remake. There are ways to write it to avoid the above problem and it would provide a surprise for us who played the first game to death.
I managed a neutral ending once out of the dozen or more times I've played this game. Somehow, I made the right sequence of choices so that my light/dark alignment was square in the middle when I fought Malak on the Star Forge (can't remember how, though) and Malak's final speech mentioned something about Revan being neither light nor dark. I overwrote that save game and can't remember the exact dialogue after so long, but a 'neutral' ending does still exist in the base game.
Are you talking about the line where Malak says "Savior, conquer, hero, villain. You are all thing Revan... and yet you are nothing. In the end you belong neither to the light nor the darkness. You will forever be alone."
Because if so he says that if you follow the light side ending
Is there no “canon” ending? This feels weird. I personally consider the actual ending was the light side as a redemption of sorts. With bastila alive and in love with us ofc
The "canon" ending is the light side, by the Old Republic: Revan Novel, and the MMO The Old Republic
@alterralambda oh well thats good
@@ericadventures5045 also the romance with Bastila
Carth onasi is the goat bro he had an ending just for him alone
It is also easily forgotten that the Jedi way is not by any means the only force light side based code, and is often stated repeatedly to be inherently flawed.
Love can be dark, and it can be good. Just as honor can be good and it can be dark. You can fight someone out of a desire to protect something you love and never tap into the dark side- unless you were fighting hatefully, channeling negative emotion through the force to destroy what is threatening what you love.
Honor, if your honor is based in a sense of morality and trying to do what's right for what's rights sake, it is hard to see it stumbling down the dark. But if your honor is based in pride, and ego, it's easy to see where anger, and frustration can bleed in.
Love is as you said a very grey emotion. It can inspire positive feelings, its just it's risk for the negative that Jedi avoid it. Overbearing attempts to self control instead of just having emotional restraint to begin with. Like bottling, instead of relieving pressure.
It's why it's no wonder when a Jedi falls, they fall hard.
Oh jeez, for a second I thought you were gonna talk about Twi'lek Malak.
Very well made points about that ending that made me think and put together why I've always been disappointed with the FemRevan ending. I am hoping that they expand on some of the character arcs and allow more growth of the KOTOR l story as, to be honest, it was a great story when it came out but could be just so much more now if they allowed the game to expand more on the character arcs. Even if it was just the character arcs.
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If they added this subversive layer in a remake, they'd have to address other fortified ideas as well, to the point it would feel either kinda patch work-esque, or different. I guess it could work. 🤷
To me, K1 lacked some of the nuance of K2, but that's fine to me. Sometimes the archetypal story is good as a foundation to build more complex sequals on top. 👍
I'm trying to remember why K1 worked. That game had one major subversive plot point that blew my socks off. I still remember that experience, I was with my bestfriend. Our jaws fell to the floor. I think it worked because I never anticipated it. I bet that was what Return of the Jedi felt like when it aired on cinema.
I'm not sure about it either way, but thank you for bringing it to light. :)
Good point with your argument about that particular endings and the fact that it should still be a part of the game. However I wanted to take it one step further.. been thinking for a long time they should do a complete reboot of both the first and second Kotor. And regardless of what gender character you choose beginning of the game; whether you choose male or female white or black or something in between there should be other options as well you should be able to choose different alien races as your primary player character it literally be able to choose any one of your crew members or companions regardless of their gender or species as the romantic interest. Like for example if you wanted to choose a female revan that's human have a romantic relationship with a twi'lek female. Or Johanni the Cathar female with the Russian accent.
Or a male-male, let's say you choose a Devaronian or a Zabrack or a Twi'lek or a Wookie for that matter. As your lead male character choose one is the male crew members or companions as a romantic partner. If we're going to be all inclusive then let's be all inclusive.
I think they limit the game a whole lot. Video game technology, for graphics and gameplay OS storylines have come a long way since the first Kotor was made. We live in a more progressive society than what we did then and the technology that we have is significantly more advanced than what we had then. They could reboot both the first and second games and make them so much better than the originals. Even adding additional abilities or dialogue options. And because it's based on a storyline iconic among Star wars fans and gamers alike like that would be very very popular in the company who makes it would make probably 4 or 5 times more than they did from the first two.
So from this perspective there's really not a good enough reason to NOT create the reboot of each one. WEIGHING THE PROS AND THE CONS. There's no adequate argument against rebooting both games.
Yeah we all know you're just trying to bang HK-47 but nice try man.
Jokes aside I agree.
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What a cool video thank you for it 😃
You're welcome!
This is a neat ending from a story POV, especially looking in as a member of the audience rather than the player, but I do wonder if it was taken out because Bioware didn't think people would actually choose it.
This is mostly applicable to first-time players, rather than repeat players, but if somebody goes through the puppy-kicking requirements to get to the Dark Side ending, I find it unlikely that most players would choose to go against all of that and snatch at some last minute redemption. Some certainly would, but I suspect they're in a pretty heavy minority. Of course, I imagine a lot more people would end up picking that ending in a subsequent playthrough, so if I'm right it means Bioware wasn't really thinking about repeat play, which would be a little short-sighted on their part. But I do wonder!
honestly i would have liked getting to experience this ending as it sounds cool. i played as a female evil revan when it first came out but met him again, he was just forever lost on the planet until in the 2nd game he showed up as an admiral.
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What I would have really loved was if light and dark side were independent from the ending. You would still have two endings one where you destroy the Star Forge and one where you use it but both endings could be done by a light and a dark side Revan and just give a different perspective on the ending.
I think their is also a third ending. There is a neutral ending where you can save Malak’s life
Should've stayed in. It doesn't have to count as any kind of connonicity. There are plenty of games out there with multiple endings. But only 1 or 2 of them was cannon. I'm not exactly sure if these are good or bad examples. So please excuse me and give me a little leeway. But there's the infamous series. And the mass effect series.
huh i actually remember this ending in my many play throughs as a teenager on the original xbox
Thousands of hours and the one thing I never did was romance Carth.... I never thought I'd learn something new about this game.
I like the Darth ending with bastila by ur side and u controlling the starforge and a massive fleet
As someone who loves KOTOR dearly, I don’t think there is much of a point in this ending. Not only it’s strange because you go through the whole thing of being dark side and end it by getting ourselves killed over “love”.
No. If this kind of scene were to be included, it should be BEFORE the events at the Star Forge. This scene should happen when you first encounter Carth and the gang at the unknown planet when you turn to the dark side. THEN, you get THIS where Carth BEGS you to “please, don’t do this. I love you!” Yada yada. And THEN you can even be presented with a choice to either turn your back on Bastila, pull a Kylo Ren as you get close to Carth and stab him with your lightsaber, or just let him run.
That’s what I think. Otherwise this ending would be strange for the reason I mentioned, along with how it wouldn’t make sense for the story in KOTOR 2 to follow up on.
I would of loved if this ending was in the game. Fingers crossed it's in the remake.
I remember doing dark side for my female Revan and met Carth on the Star Forge and went back to the light and not killing anyone and getting back on the Ebon Hawk and flying away.
I love the cut ending but I also understand why it was cut. Though it's not like character death has stopped bioware since (Morrigan, Leliana, Flemeth). They could've just said something stupid like, "Somehow Revan returned."
Not sure If it was a mod but I remember the option of having Carth and bastilla in the end stand with darth revan on the darkside ending.
i'm unshure, because i don't like these "Last Moment Change of Heart" when you don't see at least a spot of light in them. And if you played Revan as the complete Sith Arse the hole time, which you tend to do if there are basicly 2 Sides and no middle ground, i don't know if it's feels right and a bit cheap
so maybe it should be locked out as an option if you're "sithy" and maybe my memorie betrays me, but Bastila also wasn't that pure "sithy" to begin with so there was still hope of redemption
And it reminds me of Rogue One and the best Ending of a Star Wars Movie
The ending could've been reworked where Revan and Carth escape on the Ebon Hawk instead of dying, leading to the LS ending but with less party members present (Carth, Canderous, T3, and HK ).
K2 already does not adhear to K1 anyways since K2 implies HK traveled with Revan during the events of K1 when it's possible to skip his recruitment in K1. Which I find funny since they respected the idea of Bastila, Carth, Jolee, Juhani, Mission, and Zalbaar all being expandable, but didn't give HK the same treatment.
Love the video. Where did you get the armor for Carth? the one with blue higlights?
Pretty sure it’s from the dlc/expansion station where you can get the super lightsaber crystals.
I think this probably couldve worked for both genders? Like a morally grey, but redemptive conclusion for both bastilla and carth.
Agreed.
I know about this ending for a long time now, since the modders have done a great job at resurrecting it. In my opinion both LS, and DS have a great endings in this game.
But I am really worried about SW KOTOR Remake, because there are leaks that it will be Souls type of a game with none of RPG elements.
Don't listen to those leaks lol
Honestly that ending could have been kept with the minor tweak of Revan surviving and more or less choosing to bow out of the public eye immediately after the Star Forge explodes then leaving to unknown space as per usual. 🤷
I wonder if it would it be possible if they change the fate of Revan & Carth by having them escape the star forge before it is destroyed. I mean they're standing in the hanger and the Ebon Hawk is right there.
Or, at the very least give the player the option to leave, or to stay. Surely Carth could have contacted the Republic Fleet to warn them before they began their assault on the star forge, thus buying them some time.
In the original, non-mod version for the original xbox KOTOR, there was another awesome ending-
As a male Revan you had the choice to persuade Malak to redeem himself. If he does, you fully heal him. Together with the rest of the crew you ditch the star forge and Republic desroys it. And at the end Malak is included in the celebration along with the rest of the crew.
yeah true and in the original, non-mod version for the original playstation KOTOR, there was another awesome ending-
As a male Revan you had the choice to use the force to summon Jar Jar from the future who then kills Malak himself. Together with the rest of the crew you ditch the star forge and become Jar Jar's apprentice's and rule the galaxy together.
@@ben-gk4if i dont get why you are mocking this. But ok.
I know it would change the story a good bit and force a major new ending. However, I wish there had bin a Gray option. They are cannon, rare, but they are out there.
Honestly one thing I'll always love about swtor and kotor is that it makes the canon version being that Revan is male and that he and Bastilla have a child who eventually gives birth to the female jedi master from swtor trailers
If they do intend to remake both games, I hope they can better implement all the choices you make that lead into KOTOR 2. Similar to how they did with Mass Effect.
I thought this was going to be about the dancing ending. Pretty interesting
How did you get the exact replica of Darth Revan's robes? When I get them they're missing the cape and mask and a couple other accessories.
I think the neutral ending wouldn't have hurt 2 much. The main issue would be the Ebon Hawk but they could have included something like you ordering T3 or another party member still on the ship to take the ship and run
Looks like they had plenty of time to run to the ebon hawk if they hadn't stuck around to talk and Carth prepped the ship while Bastilla was being put down.