The good news is that your pet spider has developed it's brain to a certain point to be exactly like a human one , thus why he managed to get autism. Bad news? He watched hazbin hotel. My condolences.
Pls help he’s holding me at gun point Jesus fucking apple crisps may the British smite you down don’t don’t!(two hours later) pls no not another episode is this my punishment for letting you watch a fucking show where is the humanity in here!
The Hunicast section of the video reminded me of something that my mom taught me, which is that you can't consider anyone a friend unless they have helped you at a low point. Otherwise, they are just people you simply know. Ashley, Michael, and others were extremely dedicated to the project, and yet their labors went unnoticed by Vivzie. She could have at least turned the blind eye when one of the va's fiancée died. I don't think any serious legal action would have come from it other than what? Losing money to genuine cause? Knowing that she always intended to replace the team when she had the chance is extremely saddening. Let's face it, the celebrities she's working with now will never care for her as much as the original cast did.
Oh definitely. I remember at one point a fan asked on Twitter what Amir thought of Viv his response was something like "if it weren't for her I wouldn't have you guys!" He cared much more about the fans than Viv lol. Not saying they don't get along at all but he's probably not that fond of her.
@@featheredmask924Should we really think him saying that means he's not too fond of her? Seems like a bit of a stretch. Maybe he was simply trying to keep it professional and silly. For those famous people who interact with fans I can see them preferring the community to the creators because of all the excitement, fanworks etc.
That‘s true. Some people are so narcissistic. They prented to be friends hyping you up and then they drop you any time you actually need em in a way that doesn‘t benefit them directly. Those ppl don‘t deserve friends honestly.
I remember seeing the announcement on twitter, actually I have a screenshot somewhere of Gooseworx (who would be the creator of TADC) saying something before she deleted it. It was a sarcastic comment, something along the lines of ‘Who needs people that worked hard for you when you can have broadway!’
The reason spindlehorse's $5000 contribution was turned down by the lackadaisy kickstarter is that at the $5000 dollar pledge the kickstarter promised to list you as a producer on the show. Vivzie donated through her company so she could advertise her studio as producing Lackadaisy. Considering the pledge was meant for a person who gave a decent amount of money and not to serve as advertisement for another indie company, it makes sense for the kickstarter runners to refund the pledge
because i genuinely dont know how this works i have to take this with a grain of salt but this is definitely something she would do. I just feel like a lot of her genuineness is fake. And i dont want to just throw that out there because i dont know her personally, but from her behavior online, it paints a picture of a dishonest person.
Honestly, I could absolutely believe Viv wanted to genuinely help the Lackadaisy team, but I don't blame the team for thinking she was only doing this to get her name in the credits as a producer.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawn she sent money through her animation production company and not personally, and she sent exactly enough to get producer credits. If Vivz personally wanted to support them she could have used her own money and not specifically pledged the amount that had a producer credits reward
@@Pipinghotitea when you have a business account, that money is earmarked for doing business. Using that money to pledge money to a Kickstarter for a producer credits reward reads as a business move. Either that, or Vivz uses her company money for personal reasons, which is also not ok.
This feels like a pretty bad faith interpretation of what she was doing (regardless of what you think of vivziepop) I think her and her team wanted to help out a show that a lot of people who worked on hazbin also worked on I don’t think she was trying to sneakily advertise her studio Especially considering that (not trying to be mean or anything) Spindlehorse and their shows is a much bigger than name than lackadaisy
I knew the Hunicast was important but I didn’t know it was basically vital to the show’s finances and success. I dont understand how fans saw this and allowed Viv to get away with it. Edit: WOW she wouldn’t even let the VAs she abandoned do character performances because it’s *her* IP? Sure didn’t mind when they tirelessly did it to fund her show.
@@ТаняВасилева-МФ unironically she actually wants to be like Disney because she’s obsessed with that company. I even heard rumors that she was blacklisted from that studio (not sure if they’re true or not)
@@ТаняВасилева-МФ I remembered someone made a ''joke'' or a ''rumor'' that Viv was hella pissed bout the movie called zootopia, and she assumed that Disney took the title, and viv gonna sued them... it's freakin crazy, that's all i can say..
As an ex-Helluva Boss, Hazbin Hotel, and Vivziepop fan in general, thank you SO MUCH for making this video. It's so clear, concise, and truly highlights how much of a shitty person Viv is without sugarcoating it or downplaying / defending her. (cough cough Ayy Lmao). I'm excited to see part 2!
@@Zayd-f6p Yup lmaooo. Wouldn't be surprised if he actually works for Spindlehorse as a PR manager or something with the way he constantly downplays the things Vivziepop has done and defends her. Either way, it seems more likely that he's just a simp who is so desperate for her validation that he's willing to suck her off at any given moment.
@@Zayd-f6pto be fair, if you simp for someone (a celeb or person you know irl) isn't it normal to not say nasty shit about them or not agree when others do it?????? (don't bite my head off for saying that)
Thank you so much for bringing up Viv'z lewd art and explaining it's not a good enough reason to hate her. Hate someone for how they treat real, flesh-and-blood people (like her employees/animators, Ashley, and the pilot cast she screwed over), NOT for what they enjoy drawing or writing in their spare time. What's hilarious and sad about this though is that Viv's stans and defenders shit-talk what me and my friends enjoy fictionally (furry art, monsters) saying we're dangerous and gross people, when... a lot of what I/my friends enjoy is basically the same as what the Viv stans and Viv herself likes! Heck, one of these stans by the name of DJ Blitz has been stalking my friend's twitter and tumblr account for months on end. They're all they talk about. It's really pathetic. EDIT: Oh my lord, I just got to the Hunicast Charity portion of the video. All my condolences to Krystal. Her partner passed away and all Viv can say is "don't use any Hazbin voices"!? Disgusting. EDIT 2: The person in the discord screenshot saying "She never intended to keep any of the VAs from the beginning except for Michael and Ed (...) then turned around and told people she fired them because they're friends with me" is highly alleged to be Ashley Nicols, because Michael, Edward, and many of the other pilot VAs were on a ton of the Hunicast streams, and they all became good friends.
@@featheredmask924 Yeah D: It's pretty obnoxious. I have them blocked and a bunch of others, but they've said some horrible stuff about a ton of Vivzie critics.
@scientistservant yikes I used to follow them when I still supported Vivzie I thought they were just giving out their thoughts on the situation. No matter what your thoughts are on a situation you should never harass the other side.
Am I the only one who doesn’t like that they changed Katie killjoys va for Brandon Rogers I get that the guy is funny but theirs only so many times before it gets old.I would have liked to have had the old va do her voice cause she actually does a good news reporter voice but makes it more intimidating
To be honest I think it makes a little bit of sense since her character is inspired by one of Brandon's characters on his channel (forgot the characters name though) even though I don't mind him voice acting her, I would like if the og actor was voicing her to
They were always placeholders, that was no secret. She always wanted broadway and she got them. I love original cast to bits but I knew it would happen eventually.
@@yummyapplestroodle Not to mention, the Pilot Cast have even given their best wishes to the new cast and they even did a little "so long" song video. People on the outside looking in see all this as a betrayal or Viv being evil, completely not knowing that the business is more uptight and ruthless than expected. For example. I've done a bit of acting in my time. I love Games and I adore Kojima Productions. I messaged Ken Imaizumi (Co-Producer of Koji-Pro) asking if I could audition for an upcoming project and he actually replied to me. He said I had to be a Union Actor to audition. I wasn't one of those (still am not, yet) so I couldn't even audition. I'd imagine Hazbin Hotel could only have people IN the profession to voice characters, so "internet VAs" couldn't reprise their roles. That's just how it goes and this is in NO way indicative of Vivzie.
THANK YOU someone said it. How no one saw it as a red flag that they rejected her money was wild to me. Imagine getting a 5k donation from one of the most popular online indie animators and they reject it, that absolutely says something about Viv.
You have to really get on someone's bad side to decline $5,000 bc personally I wouldn't care if the person who sent me 5k is bad I'm taking it so that probably means she did something so bad that they just refuse to have anything to do with her.
People called Lacksidaisy's team ungrateful. It definitely sucked that entire situation. Still, it would've been easy to just take the money and not talk to SpindleHorse again
If you want to know the true reason they did it. The Lackadaisy team said that whoever donated a decent amount to the team would get their name as a producer in the series' credits. So they viewed Viv, already a famous person in a famous studio, as wanting to cash in on the opportunity to listed as a producer on Lackadaisy.
@@Birdyboys ayy lmao isn't helping too cuz all his videos are addressing mostly the stupid shit and he never addresses the real problems, cuz of him I thought that viv was innocent but then I found out about everything else and I was like yeahhh she is a massive bitch who clearly doesn't deserve the hype, her shows have mid to awful writing:)
I was told that the reason these people were replaced was because of Prime’s “standards,” and that Viv had no choice in it. But seeing that she WILLINGLY dropped all of those people out?? Why in the world did she do that? They were clearly more skilled than the current cast & crew, and they had poured so much of themselves into the project… This is insane to me
Viz is already a sketchy person, the "she have no say in it" arguments is very basic and generic when i first hear it too. So, i have a feeling that those arguments are made because of fanbase is Coping
Ive seen a lot of horrible things pointed to Viv but my friend (OBSESSED with hh/hb) says they're just rumors to make her look bad. (getting a little bit off topic) Recently ive been questioning my relationship with him, because he convinces me that Viv and the content she makes is 100% okay and I should support her. Its also driving him a bit away of on me because whenever I try to talk to him or ask him a question he just replies with an image of angel dust or vox or something
If y’all are young and developing still then it’s probably just a phase like your brain going through rapid changes of likes and dislikes it happens to everyone at some point
If you value your relationship with this person, it might be worth asking if you can just put a two-way embargo on discussion of Viv and her work altogether. Just decide on an "agree to disagree" position, and establish that Viv and the Hellaverse are topics you two don't talk about. I (obviously) don't like Viv, but it's not as if she's, like, a harmful politician or something - a figure that's in a position to do real harm to the *general* population if people keep supporting her. Her power/influence is real, but also very limited in scope. Basically, I don't think she's worth losing a friendship over. If your friend refuses to accept that sort of agreement, and insists on continuing to bring up Viv/her work, that might speak to larger issues - an inability to compromise, lack of respect for boundaries, etc.. At that point, choosing to break off the friendship wouldn't *truly* be about Viv anymore. Good luck.
Vivzie literally operates more as the current CEO of Disney rather than a spunky indie animator trying to get by; she works toward achieving endless growth and doesn't care about how many necks she steps on to get to the top. She is the antithesis of everything the indie animation community represents and I'm sick of everyone praising her.
@@Avanti998 well if someone's already got problematic tendencies you're not gonna know until they show them to you, and such a person getting famous like Viv did exponentially increases the scope and reach of their sins. Basically it's like how the worst she could do in the past used to be limited to shit like having a meltdown about Zootopia, while now she can screw over a whole team of independent animators and voice actors on her way to mainstream success, the scope of what she can do changed but the behavior remains the same.
Vivienne blocked me on Twitter because I called her out on hypocrisy about firing a disabled SA survivor for the stuff that Vivienne drew herself (the artwork) and then she made herself the victim 💀
wait 😭😭 huh??? What was the stuff viv drew herself?? And did she fire and blame the person for being a disabled sa survivor ?? im confused 😭🙏i process things so bad im so sorry
Basically Viv drew fictional pornography of some characters and did tropes like student x teacher and something with animals. When the disabled SA victim drew the fictional pornography, Viv fired her (the victim was also facing a lot of harassment from Kyle and his henchmen)
@@elementalalchemist0355 i mean if none of the characters were a minor then I don't see the problem? It depends on the context. Like maybe they're a college student or something? If one of them was a minor then yeah i get it but if not then it's not worth firing for
@@Rattie_Lover yeah but the issue is is that Viv attacked the disabled SA victim for the same reason that she (Viv) drew and got into controversy on Twitter. Basically Viv being a hypocrite
When Viv stopped talking to Faustisse, I realised how much problems she had with friends. I remember long ago, a guy used to be her friend, and he used to dub the Zoophobia comic, but then he vanished from internet, they're not friends anymore, of course
I’m so glad someone is going into more detail about Viv’s awful behavior because I didn’t even know about what happened with Krystal. God, she’s so heartless
Correct me if I missed something, but isn’t it weird how the one time Ashley & Co. are asked NOT to take Hazbin requests is when it’s for a stream about raising money for something that isn’t Hazbin related? It’s really fucked, dude
Not using the Hazbin IP was a standing request; in the screenshot at 37:37 you can see Ashley starts with "as usual". (Looks like they were asked to stop taking voice requests somewhere between August 8 and Dec 5 of 2020.)
Also I no longer remember the video but i know the voice director for the pilot was making a TON of replies to people in regards to the cast and Vivzie herself. You’ll have to take my word for it but he believes the og cast was fked over and “if anyone deserved to be brought back on the show it was Kovach” along with “Vivzie is kinda like [creator I physically cannot remember the name of, I believe it was the creator of Star Wars tho] she has so many good ideas but can’t execute them properly nor have anyone else write them for her” not exact wording on this one but it’s what I can remember.
I’ve been a part of the community since the Hazbin trailer came out and I genuinely had NO idea that the Huniecast was being used to fund the pilot. I’ve began to distance myself from the community ever since I saw the vile harassment that Cartoonshi received for his first video on Helluva Boss’ second season and their inability to differentiate genuine constructive criticism from unhinged behaviour and I’ve distanced myself further and further over time for obvious reasons. The Krystal LaPorte stuff also shocked me, I’ll be tuning into part 2 because this is probably the best compilation of this information I’ve seen that doesn’t include nothing burgers like dodgy art from a decade ago.
I just gotta say thank you so much for posting this video and exposing Viv's behavior. The fandom is so rabid in their parasocial relationship with Viv that they just ignore or flat out defend her actions, and harass anyone who does the opposite. I appreciate your bravery and honesty, fam 🙏🏾✨
parasocial relationships are a two way street. it's equally sad to get so up in arms about some weirdo on the internet as if they've personally wronged you or have committed grievous crimes against humanity
Her not allowing the Hunicast to do impressions (which does not infringe on your IP-it’s tranformative by all definitions) is genuinely evil. Like what an unbelievably callous thing to do, and for literally no reason.
It’s really sad that the Hunicast was dropped after the pilot especially after all the work and effort they put into making the pilot. How could Viv do that to them? It’s not right.
Some nasty ppl do that. They only see you as a stepping stone and drop you the moment they can find better than you. They are terrible people really. Terrible and utterly self interested.
i kind of get why on a buisness level because she wanted a broadway musical and thus needed broadway singers because aside from just needed to be good va's they need to be great singers
Viv’s work? Yeah, I love it, Helluva Boss being my favourite show and comfort show (for some reason), but Viv herself? I’ve never really liked her, I don’t know why, she always gave me a bad vibe. Thank you for this
I like hazbin hotel and helluva boss from when the first pilots came out and i still do this today and im ngl i couldn't care less that she got different voice actors act i believe the ones she has now are better than the old ones. I do prefer helluva boss as there isnt a song every 5 mins.
I think what has always bothered me about this whole situation, is that Vivienne is the most MEDIOCRE writer and artist, and yet despite that and her behavior, she has an audience that small artists DREAM of. this was such a great and concise video, please don't explode and die 🙏😭
I think this is a really bad faith reason to say people should not have what they have because they don't deserve it. Overrated? Fair enough, but just saying she doesn't deserve it as a reason to dislike her and everything she has is wrong. What is important is pointing out the fucked up stuff she has done and holding her accountable. People being jealous is what dilutes the more important and the SERIOUSLY horrible things she has done. I'm so tired of personal grudges, this is why many hh fans don't listen to actual criticisms
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fans: Vivziepop never did anything wrong! She is a good person! Me, also a Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fan: She isn't, and I'm tired of pretending she is. (Btw, I have no problem with watching new Helluva Boss episodes on something like Watch Cartoon Online or other reuploads.)
@@Jdudec367Well, this vid doesn't get into the R2NinjaTurtle stuff, where Viv hired a "grape" fetishist to storyboard a "grape"-related scene in the show. She also allegedly had harassed artists on Twitter for redesigning her characters. But I haven't seen evidence of that one yet (there is evidence to back up the R2NinjaTurtle stuff). Her MCN also falsely copyright struck negative reviews of the Hazbin Hotel pilot, but maybe that was just her MCN.
@@mileidyclass Hiring someone with a kink? I don't see a issue there really. "allegedly" Exactly. Maybe...I mean that false copyright stuff happens from some networks really.
@@Jdudec367 it's fine to have kinks. it's not fine to glorify and accept grape as a kink. it's even worse to hire someone with that kink to work on a scene where grape is being addressed in a serious manner, because it discredits the seriousness of topics like that and disrespects actual victims.
@@call_meky Yeah and no one is accepting REAL grape as a kink...you clearly don't get it. No it isn't bad to hire someone with that kink to work on a scene where grape is being addressed in a serious manner and it doesn't discredits the seriousness of topics like that and disrespects actual victims, like really just because they have a kink doesn't mean they won't take it seriously and the fact that you people have the gall to not only assume that blindly but to also demand they be fired for a simple kink that affected NOTHING like seriously you can't prove it was genuinely discredited you just gotta assume that based off nothing substantial really...to do that and not even care about getting a innocent person fired for something harmless? That is rather messed up really.
Really disappointed to see an indie project drop everyone who helped make it what it was. The fiancés charity stream being handicapped by Viv is just really scummy behavior.
It's kinda like when Hideo Kojima recast solid snake because he wanted a Hollywood actor. It sucks that voice actors get recast often and they should get treated like royalty because they're almost if not more important than screen actors.
The Cherribomb VA situation is actually so sad. All these people helped Viv but Viv can’t even help her old VA after the VA had a horrible thing happen😐
I eventually went digging through tumblr and badcomicsonline and found some receipts. I had to DIG for this evidence to find anything that was actually a problem bc everyone else on Twitter just kept talking about her old drawings. What I found was: Vivzie saying "karma is so awesome aw man
There's still a lot of love put into this show, but I think if the show was given by someone else that cares it could be so much better. I think most of the artists that work on this show are good people and some genuinely love working on it as well as the voice actors.
The phase I described, where I was all "boy who cried wolf"-ed out and would straight up roll my eyes when people said she was bad news? That lasted for *years.*
@@AutisticSwag looking forward to seeing someone focusing on the real problems, it's so hard to take Vivzie discourse seriously when most of it is silly stuff that isn't worth cancelling her over.
Imagine mark Hamil not being able to do his Joker voice despite being an iconic player for the rise of the character. I find that crazy vizi doesn’t let the OG voice actors who were a core part of the pilot perform
@@GhostwalkerSparrow As far as I understand, it was because they weren't in SAG-AFTRA and the major studios only wanted to work with people in that. I can't be sure though, but that would be a common reason to replace voice actors when a project moves studios.
I’m a huge weird al fan, like a concerningly huge fan. When his newest music video came out - like the exact day it came out - I, like many other people, got a vivziepop jumpscare. I posted a video on tiktok of me making her design look a bit more like him. I never said I fixed it or anything, I’d just classify it to be a screenshot edit. I got SO much hate from deranged vivziepop fans telling me I wasn’t a real fan because he approved it (spoiler alert, you’re allowed to dislike something your favourite celebrity/artist likes), that he’d hate me, that I was a terrible person and other things I can’t even remember anymore. The video went viral and I got absolutely flooded with hate. I took it down. Month after some other person uploads a video of them redoing the design and they got so much love and no hate at all. This isn’t related, and no hate to them, I’m just slightly bitter lmao
Honestly, a little while after I finished season one it hit me like a wall of bricks just how much worse the series is to the pilot. The animation, voices, writting, characters, etc were so much better than whatever this shell of what used to be my favorite show is. I spent years with the pilot, streams (like the Huni cast), fan content (comic dubs about the characters meme compilations fan music you name it), and now it’s all ruined for me because the series came out. It should’ve never come out to light. I swear on my life, if I could choose a universe where the series didn’t come out, and all we were left of were the pilot and the occasional livestream with the original voices, tons of amazing fan content, and hell maybe an actual oficial episode even if it took 5 years to craft a single one like the pilot I’d be happier. I know animation is expensive and stuff, but it’s always good to think about quality before quantity. My favorite show that I’ve been following for years, that was a big part of me for those years, is a soulles shell of what it used to be, that’s why I left the fandom. I miss it and it hurts so much.
Thank you. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who enjoyed the pilot but disliked everything about the actual show. I've been following Hazbin since 2019. I used to be obsessed with it until the show came out. Hazbin was better off as an indie show like Helluva Boss. And I do believe that if she kept the show on UA-cam and kept everything the same, I would have enjoyed it more. Honestly, whenever the first episode came out on Prime, I was disappointed but kept watching. And after finishing the series, I said to myself how we waited years for this and now everything is pretty much scrapped. (Voice actors, animation, writing, pacing, hunicast live streams, and more.) All because Viv wanted her show to be on TV, but I had a feeling I wouldn't enjoy it as much since she gave it over to a company and changed mostly everything about it but the characters. (And even some of them got redesigned.) Overall, it's fine that most enjoy the show. But I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. And I agree with you 100% on this.
Makes me think about smiling friends where the creators of the show made sure to involve as many new grounds animators/youtubers in the production as possible
DAMN I had no idea the hunicast was FUNDING hazbin 💀 how on earth could Viv just drop a person who was basically the main reason her project has a fanbase and FUNDING. Hunicast basically is the reason why hazbin happened and to drop the person who helped you SO MUCH is so.. I would be so extremely angry if I was Ashley
She got Amazon as a sugar daddy so obviously she didn't need the free labor anymore. Sadly that is show business but it's still fucked up how she just tosses them aside like scraps off her plate. Fame does that to people unfortunately.
And that's not even mentioning the dramas not connected to the show, like after the pilot released Like how she started the attack campaign at Scott Cawthon and later played the victim, especially when she was criticized for the same things she accused him doing. But there are videos on yt showing her twits that she probably deleted. "vivziepop is a hypocrite" and "Vivziepop is a MASSIVE Hypocrite"
@@Birdyboys No she was unhappy where he donated. Even thought he donated in couple of places if I remember right. She nitpicked what she didn't like about that one specific place. Even thought she was doing the same thing.
Thank you so much for establishing some facts about Vivienne. I can't wait to see Part 2 (or more given the amount of dramas this person loves to create) about fan harassment. Written by a former fan who was a victim of this woman and her cast for a misunderstanding and about my handicap. I will never forgive the people involved for what they did to me.
Oh my god, what did they do to you? If you're uncomfortable, you don't have to answer, but the more I hear about Viv the more I realize how she only cares about trampling on others to win and how hypocritical she is
@@YerKnawpeed To put it simply: there was a misunderstanding between me and a member of his team. I'm not going to say who (yet) but because of the members of their toxic fandom, she thought I was a dangerous individual when I was just expressing myself badly and that was not my intention. because of this person who spread lies against me, I received 3 years of harassment. All the admiration I had for this series is dead and that's a good thing, especially for what they did to Ken or the others. I will never forget these people.
@@faxota2677 Oh god, so you were harassed both by her, her team and by fans? I can't stand this stuff when not just someone in the fandom starts witch hunt and makes everyone else to do it, but fuckin crew members and her, like, how is that in any way professional??? Without any goddamn investigation too, it feels like these people are fucking angry stans that have nothing better to do with their lives. And it especially saddening when Viv herself involves in this behavior, encouraging people to be defensive of any criticism of her shows, when instead she could've twitted something along the lines of "stop harassing each other for personal opinions on my shows, the stories are not real and so are characters, but you cause actual emotional damage to the people in the fandom by angrily protecting them and backlashing" and that at least could call out haters and make them think a little, but she herself does it, Jesus... The reason I never gonna post anything related to fandoms from my personal account, cause people will always find a way to judge you... Even my ex-favorite fanartists hate other people, like Dannidraws on bug enthusiast, simply because he expressed his frustration over Hazbin, and now a shit ton of other people hate on them too simply because someone they like did it... This fandom is so huge, so messed up and emotional that despite my love for helluva I don't even wanna engage with it's fanbase
@@YerKnawpeed Thank you so much. it means a lot to me that I can express myself and be understood and comfort. I loved the series. I loved Vivziepop but after everything that happened I learned a lot and how people can be so mean for nothing.
I hope you're doing better and those horrible people have finally left you alone. You don't have to answer this question but do you know anyone else who's had a similar experience to you?
Thank you so much for taking this on. I know it's a huge undertaking, especially emotionally. Really appreciate you compiling everything into an easy-to-digest and easy-to-share format. Will definitely be keeping this and future videos bookmarked for future reference. Thanks again, and take care of yourself! Much love!
@@alexbennet4195 That's not how it works, if they doesn't really cares about Viz they wouldn't bring up her Tweets most of the time about some certain topics (they even made video about her controversies at some point) If they really "don't care" like you said they wouldn't make videos covering her all together
Haven't we seen this kind of story so many times before? Smalltime person gets rich, lets money get to their head and corrupt them, abandoning their good friends because they're now seen as inferior. This person ends up tripping on their own sword, falling from grace and wealth and ends up humbled, poor and alone. What Vivzie does here seems just like that, she was nothing more than a webcomic artist and music video animator before she started HH. And it wasn't by her own efforts, but the efforts of her friends and the cast that the pilot garnered attention and money. After the pilot, it's just dropped (until recently) and HB was started, retaining almost none of her old crew from HH (if I'm not mistaken). She profits off of that which rode off the success of the HH pilot, and then gets enough e-fame and money to restart her abandoned indie series...with a completely different, much more corporate and Hollywood, non-indie crew. To boot, she basically shoves off her old friends and even kicks them when they're down. She's been getting in a lot of trouble due to her treatment of others, whether that be pride, schadenfreude (Scott Cawthon doxxing incident), hypocrisy or her inability to accept criticism. Not to mention her fixation on male abuse. Sooner or later, I believe she will fall, and it will be by her own actions.
Ashley said her departure from Hazbin was amicable, Husk’s pilot VA still works on Hazbin doing voices for background characters, Alastor’s pilot VA replaced Norman reedus as the voice of Striker for Helluva Boss, Vaggie’s pilot VA attended the Hazbin Hotel exclusive premier with photos to prove it, and Angel’s pilot VA has shown to be on good terms with their replacement. It isn’t corruption or anything like you’re imagining. Things happen, people can have disagreements in a professional setting and sometimes those disagreements are with close friends; that doesn’t make said individual a bad person. Hell the Beatles had a falling out in the past only to reconcile later on. We don’t know the exact reasons Viv chose to replace the pilot cast, we don’t know what sort of professional decisions were going on behind the scenes, and we don’t know what exactly is going on in Spindlehorse. All we have are accounts from secondary sources with a history of unreliability and little to no proof to back up their claims. Truth be told? You’re all a bunch of overly cynical pessimists looking to justify your hatred by any means and always assumes the worst of Viv in every scenario, even when there’s plenty of reasonable explanations for her behavior. So shut up and grow up.
@@frsl2820 you mean like how the Steven Universe fandom bullied a girl who drew Rose skinny to the point that she landed herself in the hospital from a suicide attempt?
@@frsl2820 oh also, it’s really nice (sarcasm) that you’re using a small subset of weirdos that were actively condemned by the rest of the fandom as a representation of the whole. Really shows how easily you fall into logical fallacies
Also, it was an accident about her supporting Russia in the war. She had multiple workers who are from Russia (not a problem), but actively supported Russian terrorism and were lying (like they say "oh Ukrainians attack their own territories and kill people") when Russia was the one to do this. When Vivziepop was addressed about this issue by a Ukrainian artist; she blocked them. + Not sure,but I think she was deleting any comments asking her opinion about Russian terrorism in Ukraine
@@CloudymuffinzI don't know if these are considered as callouts since it's a gossip forum but the badwebcomics wiki forum would often talk about her behavior, art and characters all the way back in 2016. That's how I found out how awful she is.
She has soooo may red flags that caused three strikes (not to be confused with UA-cam strikes btw) on Vivziepop. 1. Defending a storyboard artist, who's known as r2ninjaturtle on UA-cam had an obsession of shipping Valentino and Angel Dust romanticizing r*pe and @bu$¡¥€ relationship which crossed the line. No one should be romanticizing that crap and it's discriminating to actual victims. 2. The Hazbin Hotel writing. The pilot episode took flight due to wit and humor I would've loved to explore more on Charlie redeeming sinners but struggles with difficulty bc of sinners sinning instead of jumping to the angel arc. The plot is very sloppy, it should've been reviewed and rewritten for audience to enjoy and relate to the show without trying to mimic South Park. 3. Vivzie's inability to take criticism from others. She should've took it at heart to not take it seriously instead of lashing it out on others. In order to become a good show runner you have to be AT LEAST BE PROFESSIONAL and ignore criticism without fighting others. Phew 😮💨 finally got that off my chest. I used to be a Vivziepop fan I wanted to make it loud and clear that I don't support her anymore, I'm done with Vivziepop, her bad attitude and allegations destroyed most of her own reputation and her career.
oh my god these are what the FUCK im saying, but literally NO ONE listens to me. especially the criticism part! she would improve in EVERY way if she just took the criticism and tried to improve her media because of it, but instead she just logs onto twitter and goes "I HATE GETTING CRITICISM I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT YOURE ALL DUMB 😂"
@@pjdixon6199 she literally romanticizes rape an sa, don't click on a video about something you love being hated on and then get mad when you see hate LMAOOO
Not really tbh she ain't that bad, 1. He didn't have an obsession with that and it wasn't a romantic ship and he didn't romanticize rape or abuse relationship he just properly portrayed it is all. Well he didn't romanticise it though and no no one is discriminating against actual victims really. 2. The writing isn't that bad really. The plot isn't sloppy, but it was written for that and wasn't trying to mimic South Park, do you know what South Park actually does? 3. Eh she can take criticism and she has before like with Millie for example. She doesn't take it all seriously though she just responds to bad faith criticism usually. Why should she literally ignore criticism? Is that really a good idea? Her attitue isn't that bad and a lot of the allegations don't really seem true and certainly didn't destroy her reputation or career really.
I think it might be worth mentioning in part 2 the fact that Rosie's notes for the VA included the character being based on a Jewish Mother- those words exactly And one harmful stereotype of Jewish individuals is that theyre cannibals Thank you for doing an unbiased video based on what she's done, 🙏
@@hubertberrum6242 not just that, but another major stereotype is that Jewish Individuals are greedy with money, and mimzy a) has greed symbol on her back and b) literally in the show begging for help for swindling some loan sharks And with the nose to tie it together- yeah not a great look. The excuse is that she's supposed to look like a chicken but cmon- we had to be TOLD that, so..
As someone that has lost two friendships (one of 5 years and the other of 7 months) because of vivziepop/hazbin hotel, thank you for speaking out about this. I used to be a big fan but with the way she acted I just couldn´t support her anymore. I also agree with your opinion on the show, the pilot was just SO MUCH BETTER than the actual show. I only watched it because my (then) friends forced me to.
@@willieboi. I'm going to try and keep this quick. So in short what happened was they wouldn't stop bothering me to watch the show and when I did I just told them 'i don't like the show, the humour isn't really my thing' and then (let's call friend of a few months Victor) started sending me messages of how I'm an awful person for 'making fun of his interests' (Victor always made fun of me for liking things like sonic so-) anyways. They told my friend of five years (let's call them Elijah) to send me messages of how I'm an awful person (20 minutes of voicemails) Me and Elijah cut contact after that and ne and Victor started being 'friends' again. He ghosted me after two weeks though. Sorry if this was really long I tried to keep it short :')
@@badboylolbit5005man, it sucks that happened to you. But if someone was willing to burn bridges with you over such a dumb thing then they weren't good friends
I like the show Helluvabos and all, but it really annoys me when fans ignore clear fucking evidence that's right in front of their goddamn eyes! Remember when Arin Frost openly talked about the unreasonable schedule, poor pay, among other things, she was on working for Vivian? While meanwhile Viv was literally radio silent? Not doing anything at all to debunk the allegations? then just out of the blue said " Sowwy Guys I need a break" That's kind of suspicious, not gonna lie.
Granted, Erin Frost is a rather questionable person themself and I find it very difficult to trust them because of their behavior, but there's a lot more evidence from other previous workers of Spindlehorse.
@@okamidragonstudios8551 There's tons of evidence from Faustisse, Salem, Ken (who's questionable too but less than Erin), and a whole lot more. Swag is gonna cover it in future episodes.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawn Oh. Okay. Like I said, it's just the fact that after Arin said something Viv was silent and didn't do anything to debunk them. It just rubs me the wrong way ya know? Maybe Arin was lying, but I just... I dunno
I’ve watched/know of gabe since his days in the brony fandom, seeing him grow and actually be able to make a career out of his singing and voice work is so insanely cool to me, I always hope the bast for him he’s truly a talent and Viv is so extremely blind to that doesn’t deserve his voice or ideas.
Didn't he groom Apple Bloom's VA? I'm not trying to defend Vivziepop cause she is a very immature woman but I don't think we should be supporting child groomers just to spite her
The "snakebath" drawing is smthn that validly SHOULD be brought up while criticizing her, NOT because "oh it's lewd art!" it's because what people Fail to bring up is how the character in that drawing is A 17 Y/O, a sophomore in high school more specifically. He's one of the main characters in her Zoophobia series. She drew a lot of lewd art of this character, as well as a lot of lewd art of another 16 year old character in her Zoophobia series. Zoophobia has a lot of vile proshipping in it-- she has a very deep history of gross shipping and child sexualization that nobody addresses at all--and if it IS addressed, it's Never addressed thoroughly and/or correctly. My sources? Literally, just look at the wiki for the snakebath character in her Zoophobia series (his name is Addison) He's literally listed as 17 canonically, and in multiple panels of the actual comic he'll explicitly say "Im in my third year" "im 17" As for the 16 year old character I mentioned that's also drawn often lewd, Im referring to Damian. Also just a very simply look at his wiki situation. (referring to the Gallery sections of the Zoophobia wikis)
How do you know they were 17 in the art though like were they really? When did she do that other art? What proshipping or gross shipping or child sexualization is there? Cause those are claims you gotta back up. Was that early on or? Cause time does pass so like eh...he may have turned 18. I looked it up and went to the gallery sections and...yeah no I don't see anything bad about Damian.
@Jdudec367 Vivziepop created Zoophobia in 2012. Thus, doing the very simple math of her being 31 years old today, that makes her 19 when she created it. It's relatively public information that Vivzie worked on Zoophobia all throughout her college years. It was her biggest project while in art school. In response to "well you don't KNOW if they're 17 in the art piece" I can argue the same exact sentiment right back. You don't KNOW for sure that they aren't aged up. Nonetheless, the characters' canonical age is a minority in most of the narrative of Zoophobia. Due to canon information, I'd say it's Even More of an assumption to guess they were aged up at all. Lastly, I don't know how far or how briefly you decided to look into the gallery of Damians--but there IS a plentiful amount of lewd depictions of him. One singular piece I will choose to briefly highlight is one between Addi and him where he's tied Addi up and is. Licking him. Ugh--I do not want to explain others. I decided to describe one to make a point--Please, if you really want to care about it Actually Look for yourself in the wiki galleries. There's a handful of art she made of these minor characters making out n such. Say what you will, but I personally think a person of 19+ years of age shouldn't really be depicting high schoolers in situations like this as it's just Really Weird. Her OCs didn't HAVE to be in high school, it's how she decided to age them. If she wanted to make content like this, she really could've (and should've) made them canonical adults.
@rock87992 I'm referring to art that was very obviously made past the 2006-2010 versions of Zoophobia. It's important to keep in mind that the old version(s) of Zoophobia she made in her high school years was VERY differently styled, and it's fairly easy to differentiate the versions. I don't doubt that Some of the discomforting art of her minority characters was made when she was a little under 18. Though, this doesn't erase the fact that she still definitely continued with this behavior well into her college years, when she could've aged up her characters with her(--not to mention-the fact that she had a main villain character in her Zoophobia series that was very distastefully written as a pedo creep purely for shock factor. Vivzie would just state on the critiques, "well, she's a villain!!" as if it's an excuse. She wrote this character like this purely for "edginess" and it was very immaturely dealt with in her story. She treated it with 0 seriousness.)
I've never seen HB or HH and don't have any plans to. Vivzie's behavior on twitter alone was enough to turn me off of watching the shows. Sad to see it was worse behind the scenes.
@@Vash-Venture just saying, having a falling out with friends, making a promise that you end up being unable to keep, and making a few mistakes as a show runner in charge of their first major production due to inexperience doesn’t make one a bad person. Also consider that pretty much all of the pilot cast has washed their hands of this mess and have moved on, yet you people seem hellbent on clinging to drama that’s half a decade old.
I came here with a lot of biases but you pretty much destroyed them all. I never really understood why the hate train surrounding Vivienne Medrano was so big. Most of the time when you ask people on the internet why she is a bad person they always tell the same nothing burger arguments. I had just assumed that it was hate for the sake of hating since this is a common thing that the internet does. Before watching this video I was somewhat of a VivziePop defender and I really looked up to her because of her contributions in the world of indie animation. Now however I am probably one of her biggest haters. I really don't know why more people aren't talking about this stuff. If more of her fans knew about this I'm sure they won't be her fans anymore. Thank you for making this video
honestly, there are loads of black and white opinions in this fandom. or in any fandom in particular. There isn't much substance to relentlessly hating on Vivziepop especially for no substantial reason, like there isn't much substance to relentlessly loving Vivziepop for no substantial reason. in this case, Vivzie has done a lot of questionable and scummy things. Liking her is one thing, but to like her and not see the issues in her character and how she carries herself is a problem in itself. As much as I usually dislike people who hate on something or someone, especially if it isn't a particularly popular opinion, and just give no arguments or reason. They don't give a good reputation for anything the word "criticism" stands for and they just serve to alienate fans of that something or someone (Vivziepop) further and further away, and/or stir up more toxicity than there already is. to be honest, my personal opinion? I would disagree with Vivziepop on many of her views and would dislike her actions, on Twitter, social media and in real life. best I can say about her is that she's good at being nice to her supporters (specifically her supporters) and interacting with the fanbase. and that her concepts and shows which weren't at the very least atrocious. and her artwork (minus the controversial ones). that's about it.
Honesty...really? I saw a lot of sections in the video and I feel like it's kinda exaggerated like acting like changing voice actors from a pilot is somehow bad, to not getting how important it would be to establish which voice actors you officially associate your characters with and not creating any confusion, to a lot more...alledged stuff etc. Like I know this is only part one but still.
she actually had a lot of fair reasons to dislike her greatly before. shes drawn a stereotypical gay furry to make fun of her ex gay friend bc they had a fall out. shes also drawn fanart for shoeonhead which for obvious reasons isnt very good in the slightest. she was also hypocritical she said "why watch my show if it sucks get a life" but then continued to dunk on other indie animations even asking for her team at the time to watch n make fun of it.
@@Jdudec367 Changing VAs isn't bad in itself-but lying to them that they'd be kept, not paying them and letting them believe they'd stay, only to fire them because they're friends with an ex-friend, is absolutely bad.
@@RavenStarMedia Did she say they will be kept? Because it sounds like she didn't promise that. And she did pay them and she didn't mean to make them all believe that they will actually stay, except that isn't confirmed to be why she fired them hell one voice actor gave entirely different reasoning for why she fired them.
this is why i seperate content from creator i like hh/hb, im not THAT weird about it, im just- more of neutral about it and i just enjoy it a bit ig? hb i mainly just like it cause fizzarolli haha funny, this just my opinion tho. if u hate/love hb or hh, alr? u can have an opinion too ^^ dropping the people willingly is actually gross.. hunicast being literally THE SUCCESS for hh makes me kinda mad. man i cant even word what i want to word right.. what is wrong with viv is all i have to say..
I still enjoy HB but thats because the team on that show seems to still have a plan. I don't expect HB to be perfect theres already concerns I have but hopefully everyone else working on it can keep Viv in check.
As someone making their own animated series here on UA-cam, I think Vivienne is kind of unable to accept criticism of any kind. Rarely if ever. Like, when it comes to her characters like Millie not getting screentime to Blitzo getting too much screen time to Angel Dust simply being gay with almost zero other qualities. Also with her inability to write episodes with good pacing or consistent personalities. I once thought of even working for Vivziepop, but my animation techniques are too different from hers as well as I looked up reviews from Glassdoor. Im not one to not get paid a low amount for a ton of work. Especially if my boss is as petty as I believe she is.
At first I didn't really know much about the drama, and I couldn't find a video I could bear going through (not that they were bad, my ADHD just hates me). However now finding this video and getting theough it informed me. Thanks for the information! Edit: I just watched a scene from the Hunicast, and it's so much funnier than the actual show! I laughed so much I choked on air. It's such a shame they were all dropped.
the thing abt the character with the bath tub snakes.. which i know people dont wanna hear it again but as someone (currently 22 yrs old) who followed vivziepop since i was 16 and actively kept up with the zoophobia comic until it got discontinued the character with the bath tub snakes was addison, who was also a minor in the comic (17 years old), and as a minor at the time i got exposed to that art of addison either bc of pinterest or people who followed her too sharing it online when i was just looking through her art at the time because she was a huge inspiration to my aspiring art and as a kid, i didnt even know it was meant to be explicit/sexual and i forgot about the art until 6 years go by and people brought it up recently and only then did i remember and realised that it was an explicit drawing of a minor with animals 😭
I can’t remember where I heard this but I thiiiink Viv was a teen when she drew that? I think regardless it’s VERY wrong and since her audience tends to be teens it’s scary that fans could be exposed to that and potentially have it normalized. having access to that kind of content or art can really warp your perceptions of sex when you’re a minor and I don’t think Viv was keeping that in mind when she was sharing that.
wut even i wouldnt do that i WAS gunna do something simialr to one of my characters in my comic (wip) but then i realized: hey, wait, shes a MINOR. so i completely TOOK OUT that entire plotline :P
Everybody say thank you, Autistic Swag! I’m also a former fan of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss- there’s even still old shitty art I have up on my DA account from around the time the pilot was released. While I don’t believe you need to tolerate/support a creator to enjoy their creation, I’m glad I heavily distanced myself from the fandom nonetheless, and Vivienne by extension… since she’s the main reason a large portion of the fandom is actively full of petty callout drama. Since my relationship with both VivziePop and her work has soured, I have been going back and forth about the idea of creating a video covering her more recent and actually serious issues, but I couldn’t get myself to do it out of pure laziness. I’m glad somebody (you) is finally taking more initiative than I ever could, and managed to make both an informative and easily digestible video! To make a quick side note, I’m pleasantly surprised that you disavowed but still acknowledged the “tame” drama that’s tied to her name, while also pointing out the “boy who cried wolf” cycle that surrounds it. You very much hooked me into watching this entire thing since it gave the video a much more mature and concise tone from the very start, which is refreshing considering everything remotely Hazbin Hotel related tends to (ironically) be anything except mature. I usually try to refrain myself from blanketing people on the internet into “bad” or “good” categories, since the way somebody portrays themselves online can vary wildly from who they are as a person, but Vivienne makes that anything but easy. Each time I learn something new about her, my reaction nowadays is always something around the lines of “Jesus Christ, what is this lady doing?” Her disallowing voice actors to use her characters in ways that could have helped raise funds for Krystina and her late husband’s funeral/medical expenses (which I had just learned about from this video) is no exception. Vivienne had literally nothing to lose- at that point, it feels like she’s just going out of her way to act shitty… I feel like many people who continue defending VivziePop today are stuck in an echo chamber that’s constantly praising her, haven’t seen her sordid history of questionable decisions, or are too young to know better… insert comment here about a nine-year-old being at a Hazbin Hotel convention. I don’t know how Vivienne apparently hasn’t stopped to think that she may be the person who’s bringing to the table many problems that she’s upset about in the first place. So many equations (serious scandals) that occur, but there's always one deciding factor (VivziePop.) TL;DR? Just because your characters are comically villainous doesn’t mean you need to be like that too, Vivienne /ᐠ > ˕
hahaha idk why im laughing dude. my old friend. so basically shes uhh a lil nuts if u named a toxic fandom she was in it she was a HARDCORE fan around the time i met her i got REALLY into eddsworld she ended up convincing me to give her ALL my fanart at the time i have two binders now but immediately i showed her my drawing of one of the characters it went like this: i made this fanart- OOH TORD! **yoinks** hey! mine now hiss i never got it back... :/ she ended up telling me she was depressed and was gunna "end it all" i never heard from her again every time i text her nothing. i think shes either dead or she ghosted me ;-; but she has no REASON to be depressed like i get im all depressed but im depressed bc im lonely af and dont wanna go outside she was depressed bc apparently her parents were "too kind" or something like that ._. funnily enough she really loved helluva and hazbin :-:
also vivzipop loves animals not like “aw animals are cute!” no. she LOVES/LIKES them she drew i think a wolf or somewhat animal like that with big ykw and stuff like that she sexulizes them
@@jesseholland261 1. Ken is the one who actually wrote most of the Hazbin pilot (including Alastor staying at the hotel which is the catalyst for the rest of the show's events), then when they rightly wanted credit, Viv slandered them. Also she traced Cherri's design render, promised she'd give credit, and never did. 2. Pretty sure they're saying "I'll get to it eventually but it's going to be a damn long while since there's so much stuff to talk about regarding Viv"
I remember hearing something about how she has a partner who also works on Hazbin hotel who is into SA and vive dosen’t fire hire him for that. Edit: Michel Boggs was who I was thinking of, ILOVEKIMPOSSIBLEALOT Made a short video on why she said she didn’t want to make videos involving Hasbin Hotel mainly because of Michel Boggs.
You're probably thinking of Raphael, which is a... complicated situation? But at the simplest bottom line, I certainly don’t think that it's acceptable to fire someone for having a kink.
@@AutisticSwag The fact he *may* of inserted it into the show and they both tried to pass it off as something it's not is still potentially gross though.
@@AutisticSwag bruh my comment was deleted don't know if yt ate it or otherwise but...why would being into SA ever be okay?? it's a crime to do that to someone and allowing someone to express that interest of theirs encourages them to potentially hurt someone in real life. it's like if we excused someone on the team for being into children
@@unnamedaccount2234 People have kinks and I'm not gonna go into what kinks are okay or anything like that... HOWEVER, Viv claimed Raph was a victim of CSA in order to justify putting that stuff into the storyboards and scenes, but Raph said that he wasn't. So.
I heard Vivziepop wanted weird al to be Lucifer but lost the chance because he doesn't like to swear, SHE FUMBLED THE BAG SO HARD OH MY GOD i much would've preferred a non-swearing Weird Al Lucifer that sounds amazing L honestly
@@Quole1234 yeah i'm hoping its not true tbh because i'd honestly hate how well he would've done in the role (tbh i think even if he had the chance he didn't take it anyway because of how interesting the dialogue of the show is)
@@AutisticSwagI have to agree, the issue is the context of people shaming vivziepop based on how she looks alone. We should focus on her actions and not shaming her appearance
As much as I love Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, I don't really like Viv, seeing all of this made me realise she's not really a good person, and I choose to no longer support her, as her actions to me are unacceptable in my opinion, i know i'm late, but i just wanted to say my current thoughts on Viv in general.
There is one thing about that alleged leaked email of Vivzie firing all the previous voice actors that bothers me moreso than it probably should. Everyone is copied on that email. It's not BCC'd to each one individually, it's all there for everyone in the group to see. So it's not just the one voice actor learning he/she got the axe, but knowing who else did too.
Well, except the difference is that John K. has indeed groomed minors and abused them. Viv, however, while I can't say she's a great person, but there's zero evidence that she has done that the same way that John K did.
yes, maybe it was a bad comparison, but hearing hearing about how she treated most of her staff members and couldn't accept criticism, it just reminded me of how john k. treated most of his staff and couldn't accept criticism and criticize others, thats all. never have i put two thoughts about the other nasty shit that he did, but overall the attitudes that they both had, think that their art was high quality and everybody elses was shit, so i apologize for that.
This feels like a breath of fresh air after seeing petty drama all the time within the fandom, just yesterday Ayy lmao posted about a controversy surrounding the fucking *slurs* penguin merch, but you bet he’s gonna be obsessing over the show and posting about it tomorrow cause it doesn’t matter. I wish more people knew and talked about shit that actually has an impact on people irl 😭
I remember when the cast got replaced people were like "don't be mad at Viv!" Basically a lot of good vibes only toxic positivity. The move never sat right with me. It was clearly a shitty "it's showbusiness" type of thing, where you're just supposed to be okay with people being dumped because that's how you make the big bucks.
the show filled and marketed with sexual content and innuendos due to how quicker children spend money on that and is stylistically derivative of specific tumblr communities (that they know was also full of kids) was made by a person that is not good? people think executives don't know children ignore the rating? shocked i tell you
Not to take away from what you're saying here, but I do wanna mention that it's been some years since the tumblr hayday of viv's blog and the general stuff hazbin's style is derivative of, so the target audience is likely young adults now in their 20s?
I feel like this is a bit of an unfair criticism (compared to all the fair criticisms in the video). A lot of adults like art styles that appeal to children too. That's like saying Gooseworx should be held accountable for all the content farms milking The Amazing Digital Circus because she made the show look bright and colorful (though tbf, with The Amazing Digital Circus, it's supposed to look like that because it's supposed to take place in a family friendly VR game, but still). I don't think Viv willingly made the art style one that appeals to kids on purpose, but then again, if she already isn't a good person, we can't know that for sure.
Nobody but the parents are responsible for the content a child consumes. Always supervise your kids on the internet. Yes the Roku and all it's streaming services are part of the internet.
I don‘t agree with this. Animation media is not exclusively for kids and if you treat these series as that despite having adult content warnings you just can‘t be mad later that it didn‘t pander to children. I do not think that any piece of media has to be kid friendly. In fact, making it so turns people into childish adults and you can tell by how media literacy has been getting worse over the years. Where before you could tell as a viewer of adult shows what is morally correct and what isn‘t just from tone while now, ppl get angry over anything that doesn‘t basically do a morality lesson at the end as if adults are too childish to know these things. It‘s how you get horror media for example where ppl throw hissy fits over something immoral as if horror doesn‘t imply bad things happening in the first place. It is this pathetic mental laziness that really annoys me. This inability to think about things yourself. Of thinking critically. Of not just watching stuff with your brain turned off like some 5 year old who‘s never learned anything. You are an adult. You can make up your own mind. You know basic morality. A show depicting grey morality or darker themes isn‘t „romantisizing“ or „glorifying things“ just because it dares to portray em. If it was doing said things it‘d have to explicitly side with the bad characters. For the hazbin example, it would give valentino a song that victim blames and abuses and give angel some scene where he doesn‘t act like a perfect victim and the show framing it as him actually being at fault for being abused. There wouldn‘t be all these scary serious scenes of him suffering or him bonding with the bird cat guy over their bad situation. That is what makes it different. And the fact some of you ppl cannot tell this apart is scary tbh cause i bet it‘d make you look at any real life situation and end up really easily manipulated by the bad person to think they are the victim. And if you are a child and you watch this, that‘s on you and your parents. I used to watch adult stuff as a kid too. But wouldn‘t get mad for the creators not intending to make it for me. Or refusing to cater to my intelligence as a child. Adults deserve their own spaces and also their own content to enjoy and they shouldn‘t be forced to share a seat with children in their free times while never being able to enjoy entertainment that is also not just meant to parent children. You are in fact infantalizing adults and blaming them for children infiltrating their spaces. It‘s like getting mad at adults at a 18+ club cause minors sneaked into it and also demanding the club to be made for all ages because of it. Adults need their own spaces. And adults also do not owe anyone child friendly places or media. Childrens media exists for a reason. And we cannot overlook the fact that they get their own entertainment so adult media doesn‘t have to talk down to parents or censor itself to not disturb the child mind. To expect all media to be child friendly is to condemn all adults to perpetual childhood. And a refusal for them to grow into content more suitable for adult minds.
@@cherokeenevin3763 I actually agree with this, but then i was reminded that they allowed a child on comic con (i think), space for hazbin hotel to ask things to the vas (it was a question that a children should not be questioning), so just by the fact thar vivizie allowed a child here is super weird, like she should want her fanbase to be adults only
Its a breath of fresh air hearing someone speak on Vivzies wrong doings in a reasonable understandable way. There are so many vivziepop riders on this app that preach she can do no wrong. Everyone congratulates her on how successful she is, but how she got there is another story.
She’s not even bad she’s DESPICABLE. As a former Vivzepop fan I’m just NOW starting to realize the screwed up stuff that happened in both shows with the depictions of SA for laughs. The Krystal LaPorte hunnicast situation was just downright evil, I used to think this stuff I heard was rumors or people trying to make her look bad or whatever but then my friend brought it to my attention and I did some digging and I found the bathtub snakes thing that you mentioned and I was done. The only reason I was watching Helluva Boss was to support the actors, for those saying people can’t “Seperate the art from the artist” yeah that’s a what I was trying to do but it just didn’t right that I would still even watch the content of someone who is such a degenerate person on their channel mind you. I’m actually so glad you made this video because it was the final nail in the coffin AND much needed wake-up call because people REALLY should know how awful she really is. Sorry for such a long comment but I really needed to say this to get it all off my chest because I’ve been holding this is for a VERY long time because one time I tried to bring the snake thing up to my friends they just completely dismissed it which I think contributed a bit to the delay of me officially not supporting Vivzepop all together and the fact I got way too invested, but you CAN “Separate the art from the artist” because I do tend to do that outside of this but there has to be a point where you gotta draw the line people I mean come on. :/
First time I heard about Vivziepop was from the Bad Webcomics Wiki from a decade ago, before she really blew up. I think you know what webcomic it was lol
@@raidencola I don't know about the Hazbin thread. I only know the article on Bad Webcomics. I miss that site. That's where I learned about Linkara, too lol
i love hh/hb but this behavior is just a no and i hope more fans/youtubers find out about it And I think the last month has taught us that just because someone gets a lot of stupid hate doesn't automatically make them a good person.
Oh my god THANK YOU. I feel like so many people blatantly ignore Vivziepop's bad behavior just so they can keep watching the show while cancelling somebody the minute they dig up a tweet from 2008. It's honestly frustrating watching someone continue to succeed while evidence is being leaked on the daily atp, all because everyone's fawning over something so mediocre (in my opinion).
I met her at a con before I knew anything about her and she was so rude and unprofessional! It was horrible like literally all of her voice actors were like 100x nicer than her
Im very grateful that I knew when to step away from all of viv's projects and relieved that all the bad vibes I started to feel from her when I found out about her were spot on. I should also known when I saw her attacking the creator of Five Nights at Freddy's on twitter because of who he voted and his religious beliefs.
this video 100% helped me finally take a side on whether i liked viv or not. the intro part when you said majority of the hatred towards her were nothing burgers and the claims had nothing to back it up REALLY resonated with me, because its so true. i feel like everyone hates her for good reason, but its not always the right reasons or the ones we should be focusing on. this is your standard case of getting caught up in the fame and money you get, and dropping everyone around you because of it. thank you for such a well formatted and genuinely easy to listen to video, im looking forward to part 2
Pausing the video to say THANK YOU for doing this podcast style. Visuals are great, but I have stuff to do, haha! I wish more videos were done this way, it would be such a time saver for me.
Because Viv hated that the VAs were becoming such good friends with Ashley, the Hunicast bunny. That, and she apparently always wanted Broadway actors because she's obsessed with Broadway.
I mean, if the answer is "she wanted a Broadway cast since the very beginning and then saw the chance and took it" as it was mentioned by the VAs, sounds like real good reasoning for a petty boss?
huh! this is honestly really refreshing. i had similar stuff happen, with people calling out viv and saying she's a terrible person, but then getting lackluster evidence as "proof". the bathtub snakes were...well, the only actual proof they had, it's actually nice to know WHY i should hate her. i mean i defenitly don't LIKE her, especially with the way some of the rep is, but i wanted actual definitive reasons other than "she bad!!!" and then when i try to look into it, just. absolutely nothing shows up except clickbait videos and it ends up just being dumb stuff. THANK YOUUU autistic swag, you, do indeed, have autistic swag. I SHOW MY SUPPORT!!! and this is just part ONE? YOU ARE FEEDING US!!!!
Man, finally someone compiled everything into one cohesive video and explained everything with proof, I'm very glad I found your video! Ever since I found out Viv fired everyone when all I've seen from Hunicast was how all of them were such good friends I started to suspect fame and money got over Viv's head and would you look at that... it seems very likely so :/ Excited for part 2! Great video, loved the natural footage in the background, very calming!
‘There are not enough margaritas in the world to get me through this woman’s behavior’ HELP IM LAUGHING SO HARD you gots a new subscriber !!! I’m shocked that you don’t have more popularity, this was really well put together. Love to see you cover more
My pet spider got autism from hazbin hotel
The good news is that your pet spider has developed it's brain to a certain point to be exactly like a human one , thus why he managed to get autism.
Bad news? He watched hazbin hotel. My condolences.
Pls help he’s holding me at gun point Jesus fucking apple crisps may the British smite you down don’t don’t!(two hours later) pls no not another episode is this my punishment for letting you watch a fucking show where is the humanity in here!
This had me dead 💀
viv pewpy 🤢👎🏾
(EDIT) This thread 😭
Rip angel dust infected it
Person exposing drama while showing peaceful footage of nature is my favorite genre
Violence with kindness.
same
Lmao
Nature is both beautiful and Chaotic.Fits the theme of the topic of the video.
i dont see this anywhere but here
The Hunicast section of the video reminded me of something that my mom taught me, which is that you can't consider anyone a friend unless they have helped you at a low point. Otherwise, they are just people you simply know. Ashley, Michael, and others were extremely dedicated to the project, and yet their labors went unnoticed by Vivzie. She could have at least turned the blind eye when one of the va's fiancée died. I don't think any serious legal action would have come from it other than what? Losing money to genuine cause? Knowing that she always intended to replace the team when she had the chance is extremely saddening. Let's face it, the celebrities she's working with now will never care for her as much as the original cast did.
Oh definitely. I remember at one point a fan asked on Twitter what Amir thought of Viv his response was something like "if it weren't for her I wouldn't have you guys!" He cared much more about the fans than Viv lol. Not saying they don't get along at all but he's probably not that fond of her.
@@featheredmask924broadway Zane most professional vas don’t care for the creator. Only the fame it gives them
@@featheredmask924Should we really think him saying that means he's not too fond of her? Seems like a bit of a stretch. Maybe he was simply trying to keep it professional and silly. For those famous people who interact with fans I can see them preferring the community to the creators because of all the excitement, fanworks etc.
That‘s true. Some people are so narcissistic. They prented to be friends hyping you up and then they drop you any time you actually need em in a way that doesn‘t benefit them directly. Those ppl don‘t deserve friends honestly.
Vivz has threatened to sue so many past workers into oblivion over everything. she has spies everywhere. :(
I HATE that you can tell how much the cast and staff of the pilot clearly loved and were very passionate for it, just for them to get thrown away.
I remember seeing the announcement on twitter, actually I have a screenshot somewhere of Gooseworx (who would be the creator of TADC) saying something before she deleted it.
It was a sarcastic comment, something along the lines of ‘Who needs people that worked hard for you when you can have broadway!’
@@Space_Snax common gooseworx w
@@Space_Snax Wait, when did Goose post this? I know she's known Viv since her Zoophobia days but was this recent?
@@suspiciousstar7547i think so, but im not rlly sure
Do you actually talk to any of the OG VA of how they feel ?
The reason spindlehorse's $5000 contribution was turned down by the lackadaisy kickstarter is that at the $5000 dollar pledge the kickstarter promised to list you as a producer on the show. Vivzie donated through her company so she could advertise her studio as producing Lackadaisy. Considering the pledge was meant for a person who gave a decent amount of money and not to serve as advertisement for another indie company, it makes sense for the kickstarter runners to refund the pledge
because i genuinely dont know how this works i have to take this with a grain of salt but this is definitely something she would do. I just feel like a lot of her genuineness is fake. And i dont want to just throw that out there because i dont know her personally, but from her behavior online, it paints a picture of a dishonest person.
Honestly, I could absolutely believe Viv wanted to genuinely help the Lackadaisy team, but I don't blame the team for thinking she was only doing this to get her name in the credits as a producer.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawn she sent money through her animation production company and not personally, and she sent exactly enough to get producer credits. If Vivz personally wanted to support them she could have used her own money and not specifically pledged the amount that had a producer credits reward
@@Pipinghotitea when you have a business account, that money is earmarked for doing business. Using that money to pledge money to a Kickstarter for a producer credits reward reads as a business move. Either that, or Vivz uses her company money for personal reasons, which is also not ok.
This feels like a pretty bad faith interpretation of what she was doing (regardless of what you think of vivziepop)
I think her and her team wanted to help out a show that a lot of people who worked on hazbin also worked on
I don’t think she was trying to sneakily advertise her studio
Especially considering that (not trying to be mean or anything)
Spindlehorse and their shows is a much bigger than name than lackadaisy
Viv functions more like a Disney CEO than a grateful animator.
What do you expect from these people who claim to be more virtuous 😅
@@bungiecrimes7247 43:37 Hanging onto someone for “diversity” points but booting the original cast members who made the project. 💀 What a surprise.
@@bungiecrimes7247 honestly the irony is that she's more of a sinner
Nah she is more of a animator really.
I knew the Hunicast was important but I didn’t know it was basically vital to the show’s finances and success. I dont understand how fans saw this and allowed Viv to get away with it.
Edit: WOW she wouldn’t even let the VAs she abandoned do character performances because it’s *her* IP? Sure didn’t mind when they tirelessly did it to fund her show.
she is like disney
@@ТаняВасилева-МФ unironically she actually wants to be like Disney because she’s obsessed with that company. I even heard rumors that she was blacklisted from that studio (not sure if they’re true or not)
@@ТаняВасилева-МФ I remembered someone made a ''joke'' or a ''rumor'' that Viv was hella pissed bout the movie called zootopia, and she assumed that Disney took the title, and viv gonna sued them... it's freakin crazy, that's all i can say..
@shinigamireaper101 Viv did get upset with the zootopia name but idk if she actually wanted to sue.
@@featheredmask924the suing thing is a lie but she was weirdly emotional about it
As an ex-Helluva Boss, Hazbin Hotel, and Vivziepop fan in general, thank you SO MUCH for making this video. It's so clear, concise, and truly highlights how much of a shitty person Viv is without sugarcoating it or downplaying / defending her. (cough cough Ayy Lmao). I'm excited to see part 2!
AYY lmao is her simp so he won’t let anyone be mean to his mommy. EDIT:thank you for the likes. EDIT 2:no hate to AYY lmao.
@@Zayd-f6p Yup lmaooo. Wouldn't be surprised if he actually works for Spindlehorse as a PR manager or something with the way he constantly downplays the things Vivziepop has done and defends her. Either way, it seems more likely that he's just a simp who is so desperate for her validation that he's willing to suck her off at any given moment.
I absolutely detest AYY Lmao. They are such a Vivzie pop white knight it’s incredible.
@@Zayd-f6pto be fair, if you simp for someone (a celeb or person you know irl) isn't it normal to not say nasty shit about them or not agree when others do it??????
(don't bite my head off for saying that)
@@thecursedqueen9185 your right
Thank you so much for bringing up Viv'z lewd art and explaining it's not a good enough reason to hate her. Hate someone for how they treat real, flesh-and-blood people (like her employees/animators, Ashley, and the pilot cast she screwed over), NOT for what they enjoy drawing or writing in their spare time.
What's hilarious and sad about this though is that Viv's stans and defenders shit-talk what me and my friends enjoy fictionally (furry art, monsters) saying we're dangerous and gross people, when... a lot of what I/my friends enjoy is basically the same as what the Viv stans and Viv herself likes! Heck, one of these stans by the name of DJ Blitz has been stalking my friend's twitter and tumblr account for months on end. They're all they talk about. It's really pathetic.
EDIT: Oh my lord, I just got to the Hunicast Charity portion of the video. All my condolences to Krystal. Her partner passed away and all Viv can say is "don't use any Hazbin voices"!? Disgusting.
EDIT 2: The person in the discord screenshot saying "She never intended to keep any of the VAs from the beginning except for Michael and Ed (...) then turned around and told people she fired them because they're friends with me" is highly alleged to be Ashley Nicols, because Michael, Edward, and many of the other pilot VAs were on a ton of the Hunicast streams, and they all became good friends.
Oh wow I did not know about this
DJ BLITZ IS A STALKER?!
Wait i didn't understand?
@@featheredmask924 Yeah D: It's pretty obnoxious. I have them blocked and a bunch of others, but they've said some horrible stuff about a ton of Vivzie critics.
@scientistservant yikes I used to follow them when I still supported Vivzie I thought they were just giving out their thoughts on the situation. No matter what your thoughts are on a situation you should never harass the other side.
Am I the only one who doesn’t like that they changed Katie killjoys va for Brandon Rogers I get that the guy is funny but theirs only so many times before it gets old.I would have liked to have had the old va do her voice cause she actually does a good news reporter voice but makes it more intimidating
To be honest I think it makes a little bit of sense since her character is inspired by one of Brandon's characters on his channel (forgot the characters name though) even though I don't mind him voice acting her, I would like if the og actor was voicing her to
Dude it pissed me off when i found out like bruh are you serious 😭😭
That was one of the few casting decisions I liked. Katie was based on Brandon's Bryce Tankthrust character
FR I liked the original voice. Even though she's inspired by one of Brandon's characters, it just makes Katie feel more like an original character.
@@mabuhayimplottingyourdemis423 yeah I mean Brandon is funny at times but every character he voices just either acts or sounds exactly like blitzo
What I'm getting here is that Viv saw the OG voice actors as mere placeholders. Am I misunderstanding anything?
A lot of things change from pilot episodes, so it’s not weird necessarily. There’s no business like show business heh…
They were always placeholders, that was no secret. She always wanted broadway and she got them. I love original cast to bits but I knew it would happen eventually.
@@yummyapplestroodle Not to mention, the Pilot Cast have even given their best wishes to the new cast and they even did a little "so long" song video.
People on the outside looking in see all this as a betrayal or Viv being evil, completely not knowing that the business is more uptight and ruthless than expected.
For example. I've done a bit of acting in my time. I love Games and I adore Kojima Productions.
I messaged Ken Imaizumi (Co-Producer of Koji-Pro) asking if I could audition for an upcoming project and he actually replied to me. He said I had to be a Union Actor to audition. I wasn't one of those (still am not, yet) so I couldn't even audition.
I'd imagine Hazbin Hotel could only have people IN the profession to voice characters, so "internet VAs" couldn't reprise their roles. That's just how it goes and this is in NO way indicative of Vivzie.
@@innerguardianXIIINope, Vivzie always wanted a broadway cast, willingly dropped all pilot actors.
Isnt that kind go standard for the industry for a pilot tho?
The refusal of the $5,000 screams, "we know what you're like."
THANK YOU someone said it. How no one saw it as a red flag that they rejected her money was wild to me. Imagine getting a 5k donation from one of the most popular online indie animators and they reject it, that absolutely says something about Viv.
I am a massive grudge keeper and a full-time hater and there is NOBODY I would refuse $5000 from
You have to really get on someone's bad side to decline $5,000 bc personally I wouldn't care if the person who sent me 5k is bad I'm taking it so that probably means she did something so bad that they just refuse to have anything to do with her.
People called Lacksidaisy's team ungrateful. It definitely sucked that entire situation. Still, it would've been easy to just take the money and not talk to SpindleHorse again
If you want to know the true reason they did it. The Lackadaisy team said that whoever donated a decent amount to the team would get their name as a producer in the series' credits. So they viewed Viv, already a famous person in a famous studio, as wanting to cash in on the opportunity to listed as a producer on Lackadaisy.
Extremely happy that someone is actually addressing the real problems
finally a video that talks about the real issues
People have been talking about these “real” issues for years. Fans just kept ignoring/suppressing them
@@Birdyboys YES EXACTLY
@@Birdyboys ayy lmao isn't helping too cuz all his videos are addressing mostly the stupid shit and he never addresses the real problems, cuz of him I thought that viv was innocent but then I found out about everything else and I was like yeahhh she is a massive bitch who clearly doesn't deserve the hype, her shows have mid to awful writing:)
No really, we kept telling people, about it, and they've just been ignoring us. Do you think they'll listen now that this video is out? /genq
I was told that the reason these people were replaced was because of Prime’s “standards,” and that Viv had no choice in it. But seeing that she WILLINGLY dropped all of those people out?? Why in the world did she do that? They were clearly more skilled than the current cast & crew, and they had poured so much of themselves into the project…
This is insane to me
Viz is already a sketchy person, the "she have no say in it" arguments is very basic and generic when i first hear it too.
So, i have a feeling that those arguments are made because of fanbase is Coping
no to mention the Pilot Cast didn't get invited to the premiere of Hazbin Hotel.. which is so fucking awful...
@@alieneko_nyoif I was recasted VA I wouldn't come tbh
@@alieneko_nyothey definitely deserve to go
@@kitleecaplinger2987fr if I was making a show and had to recasts I would bring the og actors to see the show first
Ive seen a lot of horrible things pointed to Viv but my friend (OBSESSED with hh/hb) says they're just rumors to make her look bad. (getting a little bit off topic) Recently ive been questioning my relationship with him, because he convinces me that Viv and the content she makes is 100% okay and I should support her. Its also driving him a bit away of on me because whenever I try to talk to him or ask him a question he just replies with an image of angel dust or vox or something
If y’all are young and developing still then it’s probably just a phase like your brain going through rapid changes of likes and dislikes it happens to everyone at some point
If you value your relationship with this person, it might be worth asking if you can just put a two-way embargo on discussion of Viv and her work altogether. Just decide on an "agree to disagree" position, and establish that Viv and the Hellaverse are topics you two don't talk about.
I (obviously) don't like Viv, but it's not as if she's, like, a harmful politician or something - a figure that's in a position to do real harm to the *general* population if people keep supporting her. Her power/influence is real, but also very limited in scope. Basically, I don't think she's worth losing a friendship over.
If your friend refuses to accept that sort of agreement, and insists on continuing to bring up Viv/her work, that might speak to larger issues - an inability to compromise, lack of respect for boundaries, etc.. At that point, choosing to break off the friendship wouldn't *truly* be about Viv anymore.
Good luck.
That's literal brainwashing 💀
@AutisticSwag alright, thank you
He is a huge fanboy.
But honestly, my best friend is like that too and all I say is "Hmmm that's interesting..." to her 😅
Vivzie literally operates more as the current CEO of Disney rather than a spunky indie animator trying to get by; she works toward achieving endless growth and doesn't care about how many necks she steps on to get to the top. She is the antithesis of everything the indie animation community represents and I'm sick of everyone praising her.
I'm going to assume that having that much power over a company and over so many people (Vivziepop included) just does something to you.
@@Avanti998or perhaps it reveals something about you.
@@ginogatash4030 In what way?
@@Avanti998 well if someone's already got problematic tendencies you're not gonna know until they show them to you, and such a person getting famous like Viv did exponentially increases the scope and reach of their sins.
Basically it's like how the worst she could do in the past used to be limited to shit like having a meltdown about Zootopia, while now she can screw over a whole team of independent animators and voice actors on her way to mainstream success, the scope of what she can do changed but the behavior remains the same.
@@ginogatash4030 That's a good point, well said. 👍
Vivienne blocked me on Twitter because I called her out on hypocrisy about firing a disabled SA survivor for the stuff that Vivienne drew herself (the artwork) and then she made herself the victim 💀
wait 😭😭 huh??? What was the stuff viv drew herself?? And did she fire and blame the person for being a disabled sa survivor ?? im confused 😭🙏i process things so bad im so sorry
Hold up- what did they draw tho? 😭
Basically Viv drew fictional pornography of some characters and did tropes like student x teacher and something with animals. When the disabled SA victim drew the fictional pornography, Viv fired her (the victim was also facing a lot of harassment from Kyle and his henchmen)
@@elementalalchemist0355 i mean if none of the characters were a minor then I don't see the problem? It depends on the context. Like maybe they're a college student or something? If one of them was a minor then yeah i get it but if not then it's not worth firing for
@@Rattie_Lover yeah but the issue is is that Viv attacked the disabled SA victim for the same reason that she (Viv) drew and got into controversy on Twitter. Basically Viv being a hypocrite
When Viv stopped talking to Faustisse, I realised how much problems she had with friends. I remember long ago, a guy used to be her friend, and he used to dub the Zoophobia comic, but then he vanished from internet, they're not friends anymore, of course
@michelekoi yeah. While friendship problems aren't rlly cancel worthy it does show the kind of person she is.
I’m so glad someone is going into more detail about Viv’s awful behavior because I didn’t even know about what happened with Krystal. God, she’s so heartless
I think fautisse is toxic and vivzie doesn’t talk to fautisse
Correct me if I missed something, but isn’t it weird how the one time Ashley & Co. are asked NOT to take Hazbin requests is when it’s for a stream about raising money for something that isn’t Hazbin related? It’s really fucked, dude
Not using the Hazbin IP was a standing request; in the screenshot at 37:37 you can see Ashley starts with "as usual". (Looks like they were asked to stop taking voice requests somewhere between August 8 and Dec 5 of 2020.)
@@AutisticSwag Gotcha. Either way, it's really dumb. Thanks for the info!
Also I no longer remember the video but i know the voice director for the pilot was making a TON of replies to people in regards to the cast and Vivzie herself. You’ll have to take my word for it but he believes the og cast was fked over and “if anyone deserved to be brought back on the show it was Kovach” along with “Vivzie is kinda like [creator I physically cannot remember the name of, I believe it was the creator of Star Wars tho] she has so many good ideas but can’t execute them properly nor have anyone else write them for her” not exact wording on this one but it’s what I can remember.
DUDE, I cut an entire section of this video that was just me ranting about how Viv has George Lucas vibes!!
I think it was under the goodbye video BlackGryphon released
@@whitefang2312 Yeah, I actually ended up finding the screenshots. If anyone wants me to post them I will.
@@rillakkummaPlease post them!
@@rillakkumma post where?
I’ve been a part of the community since the Hazbin trailer came out and I genuinely had NO idea that the Huniecast was being used to fund the pilot. I’ve began to distance myself from the community ever since I saw the vile harassment that Cartoonshi received for his first video on Helluva Boss’ second season and their inability to differentiate genuine constructive criticism from unhinged behaviour and I’ve distanced myself further and further over time for obvious reasons.
The Krystal LaPorte stuff also shocked me, I’ll be tuning into part 2 because this is probably the best compilation of this information I’ve seen that doesn’t include nothing burgers like dodgy art from a decade ago.
I just gotta say thank you so much for posting this video and exposing Viv's behavior. The fandom is so rabid in their parasocial relationship with Viv that they just ignore or flat out defend her actions, and harass anyone who does the opposite. I appreciate your bravery and honesty, fam 🙏🏾✨
@FinntheFisas a swiftie - we don't claim them
Bro i like hazbin and Helluva boss but I don't like viv.
parasocial relationships are a two way street. it's equally sad to get so up in arms about some weirdo on the internet as if they've personally wronged you or have committed grievous crimes against humanity
Vivziepop has been an absolute golden goose for people who embody that "crabs in a bucket" metaphor.
I had to look up the metaphor because I’ve never heard of it before. You learn something new everyday 😃
@@mr.j3rs3ylmao same
I'd never heard of this before, but you are pretty much correct. Also, it sucks that it's a well known phenomenon. Insecurity is the root of all evil.
Her not allowing the Hunicast to do impressions (which does not infringe on your IP-it’s tranformative by all definitions) is genuinely evil. Like what an unbelievably callous thing to do, and for literally no reason.
It’s really sad that the Hunicast was dropped after the pilot especially after all the work and effort they put into making the pilot. How could Viv do that to them? It’s not right.
Some nasty ppl do that. They only see you as a stepping stone and drop you the moment they can find better than you. They are terrible people really. Terrible and utterly self interested.
i kind of get why on a buisness level because she wanted a broadway musical and thus needed broadway singers because aside from just needed to be good va's they need to be great singers
@@Tired_Tortilla and the girl who voiced Vaggie the pilot has done some voices for her in Helluva Boss
Viv’s work? Yeah, I love it, Helluva Boss being my favourite show and comfort show (for some reason), but Viv herself? I’ve never really liked her, I don’t know why, she always gave me a bad vibe. Thank you for this
I liked helluva boss before like season 2,after that it flopped like a hot potato
@@spicyhotdumpling season one was definitely better yeah (that’s not sarcastic btw 😭)
This kinda reminds me of Ren & Stimpy, how a lot of people love the show, but hate John K., rightfully so.
I like hazbin hotel and helluva boss from when the first pilots came out and i still do this today and im ngl i couldn't care less that she got different voice actors act i believe the ones she has now are better than the old ones. I do prefer helluva boss as there isnt a song every 5 mins.
@@spicyhotdumpling I hate how season two devolved into relationship drama that nobody asked for
I think what has always bothered me about this whole situation, is that Vivienne is the most MEDIOCRE writer and artist, and yet despite that and her behavior, she has an audience that small artists DREAM of.
this was such a great and concise video, please don't explode and die 🙏😭
Please I saw fantastic art worlds like Ambrosia and I'm sure nothing will ever come of it I'm so salty
REAL, she does not deserve the audience she has at all bro
yeah she does care about anyone her arts not bad but not very creative and writting not very good i dont know why shes popular
I feel like she cultivated her audience into people who are VERY easy to please lmao
I think this is a really bad faith reason to say people should not have what they have because they don't deserve it. Overrated? Fair enough, but just saying she doesn't deserve it as a reason to dislike her and everything she has is wrong.
What is important is pointing out the fucked up stuff she has done and holding her accountable. People being jealous is what dilutes the more important and the SERIOUSLY horrible things she has done. I'm so tired of personal grudges, this is why many hh fans don't listen to actual criticisms
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fans: Vivziepop never did anything wrong! She is a good person!
Me, also a Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fan: She isn't, and I'm tired of pretending she is.
(Btw, I have no problem with watching new Helluva Boss episodes on something like Watch Cartoon Online or other reuploads.)
I mean she isn't that bad, a lot of this doesn't really make her look bad and is well...rumors at times
@@Jdudec367Well, this vid doesn't get into the R2NinjaTurtle stuff, where Viv hired a "grape" fetishist to storyboard a "grape"-related scene in the show. She also allegedly had harassed artists on Twitter for redesigning her characters. But I haven't seen evidence of that one yet (there is evidence to back up the R2NinjaTurtle stuff). Her MCN also falsely copyright struck negative reviews of the Hazbin Hotel pilot, but maybe that was just her MCN.
@@mileidyclass Hiring someone with a kink? I don't see a issue there really. "allegedly" Exactly. Maybe...I mean that false copyright stuff happens from some networks really.
@@Jdudec367 it's fine to have kinks. it's not fine to glorify and accept grape as a kink. it's even worse to hire someone with that kink to work on a scene where grape is being addressed in a serious manner, because it discredits the seriousness of topics like that and disrespects actual victims.
@@call_meky Yeah and no one is accepting REAL grape as a kink...you clearly don't get it. No it isn't bad to hire someone with that kink to work on a scene where grape is being addressed in a serious manner and it doesn't discredits the seriousness of topics like that and disrespects actual victims, like really just because they have a kink doesn't mean they won't take it seriously and the fact that you people have the gall to not only assume that blindly but to also demand they be fired for a simple kink that affected NOTHING like seriously you can't prove it was genuinely discredited you just gotta assume that based off nothing substantial really...to do that and not even care about getting a innocent person fired for something harmless? That is rather messed up really.
We're eating good tonight
Really disappointed to see an indie project drop everyone who helped make it what it was.
The fiancés charity stream being handicapped by Viv is just really scummy behavior.
It's kinda like when Hideo Kojima recast solid snake because he wanted a Hollywood actor. It sucks that voice actors get recast often and they should get treated like royalty because they're almost if not more important than screen actors.
The Cherribomb VA situation is actually so sad. All these people helped Viv but Viv can’t even help her old VA after the VA had a horrible thing happen😐
What happened to her va
wait what to her ?
@@Rubyhoshino445 the Cherrybomb VA’s husband passed away
1:38 it's good that you mentioned this because this was the main reason I was a viv stan because almost all callouts were nothing burgers.
I eventually went digging through tumblr and badcomicsonline and found some receipts. I had to DIG for this evidence to find anything that was actually a problem bc everyone else on Twitter just kept talking about her old drawings.
What I found was: Vivzie saying "karma is so awesome aw man
There's still a lot of love put into this show, but I think if the show was given by someone else that cares it could be so much better. I think most of the artists that work on this show are good people and some genuinely love working on it as well as the voice actors.
The phase I described, where I was all "boy who cried wolf"-ed out and would straight up roll my eyes when people said she was bad news? That lasted for *years.*
@AutisticSwag people need to call her out correctly which is why I'm glad this video describes the situation better.
@@AutisticSwag looking forward to seeing someone focusing on the real problems, it's so hard to take Vivzie discourse seriously when most of it is silly stuff that isn't worth cancelling her over.
Imagine mark Hamil not being able to do his Joker voice despite being an iconic player for the rise of the character. I find that crazy vizi doesn’t let the OG voice actors who were a core part of the pilot perform
Yeah that's pretty scummy, but unfortunately it's common practice for things like this to happen
@@GhostwalkerSparrow As far as I understand, it was because they weren't in SAG-AFTRA and the major studios only wanted to work with people in that. I can't be sure though, but that would be a common reason to replace voice actors when a project moves studios.
I’m a huge weird al fan, like a concerningly huge fan. When his newest music video came out - like the exact day it came out - I, like many other people, got a vivziepop jumpscare. I posted a video on tiktok of me making her design look a bit more like him. I never said I fixed it or anything, I’d just classify it to be a screenshot edit. I got SO much hate from deranged vivziepop fans telling me I wasn’t a real fan because he approved it (spoiler alert, you’re allowed to dislike something your favourite celebrity/artist likes), that he’d hate me, that I was a terrible person and other things I can’t even remember anymore. The video went viral and I got absolutely flooded with hate. I took it down.
Month after some other person uploads a video of them redoing the design and they got so much love and no hate at all. This isn’t related, and no hate to them, I’m just slightly bitter lmao
I’d probably feel the same way in your shoes, I’m sorry you had to deal with that
Honestly, a little while after I finished season one it hit me like a wall of bricks just how much worse the series is to the pilot. The animation, voices, writting, characters, etc were so much better than whatever this shell of what used to be my favorite show is. I spent years with the pilot, streams (like the Huni cast), fan content (comic dubs about the characters meme compilations fan music you name it),
and now it’s all ruined for me because the series came out. It should’ve never come out to light.
I swear on my life, if I could choose a universe where the series didn’t come out, and all we were left of were the pilot and the occasional livestream with the original voices, tons of amazing fan content, and hell maybe an actual oficial episode even if it took 5 years to craft a single one like the pilot I’d be happier. I know animation is expensive and stuff, but it’s always good to think about quality before quantity.
My favorite show that I’ve been following for years, that was a big part of me for those years, is a soulles shell of what it used to be, that’s why I left the fandom. I miss it and it hurts so much.
the show is better.
@@fr3dm3rc0ry4 It literally isn't, at least in my and apparently a considerable amount of people's opinions. How old even are you
That's the whole point of a pilot
Thank you. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who enjoyed the pilot but disliked everything about the actual show. I've been following Hazbin since 2019. I used to be obsessed with it until the show came out. Hazbin was better off as an indie show like Helluva Boss. And I do believe that if she kept the show on UA-cam and kept everything the same, I would have enjoyed it more.
Honestly, whenever the first episode came out on Prime, I was disappointed but kept watching. And after finishing the series, I said to myself how we waited years for this and now everything is pretty much scrapped. (Voice actors, animation, writing, pacing, hunicast live streams, and more.) All because Viv wanted her show to be on TV, but I had a feeling I wouldn't enjoy it as much since she gave it over to a company and changed mostly everything about it but the characters. (And even some of them got redesigned.)
Overall, it's fine that most enjoy the show. But I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. And I agree with you 100% on this.
@@Darkalternative888 How old are you? They can disagree too, and I mean most would say the show is better really.
Makes me think about smiling friends where the creators of the show made sure to involve as many new grounds animators/youtubers in the production as possible
honestly feel like Smiling Friends is the complete antitheses of Hazbin Hotel lol
@@billiamdianthus4242well smiling friends is more popular then hazbin hotel
smiling friends feels like a newgrounds show, too. they love their roots
They even invited Chris Chan to voice a character before he was arrested
@@marcusmining5505 His voice was scrapped by the way.
DAMN I had no idea the hunicast was FUNDING hazbin 💀 how on earth could Viv just drop a person who was basically the main reason her project has a fanbase and FUNDING. Hunicast basically is the reason why hazbin happened and to drop the person who helped you SO MUCH is so.. I would be so extremely angry if I was Ashley
She got Amazon as a sugar daddy so obviously she didn't need the free labor anymore. Sadly that is show business but it's still fucked up how she just tosses them aside like scraps off her plate. Fame does that to people unfortunately.
And that's not even mentioning the dramas not connected to the show, like after the pilot released
Like how she started the attack campaign at Scott Cawthon and later played the victim, especially when she was criticized for the same things she accused him doing.
But there are videos on yt showing her twits that she probably deleted. "vivziepop is a hypocrite" and "Vivziepop is a MASSIVE Hypocrite"
oh man you could do an entire separate series on the horrid things Viv's fandom has done and said as well.
I don’t like Viv but she was criticizing Scott for his politics, not that she’s happy he’s suffering
@@Birdyboys No she was unhappy where he donated. Even thought he donated in couple of places if I remember right. She nitpicked what she didn't like about that one specific place.
Even thought she was doing the same thing.
Thank you so much for establishing some facts about Vivienne. I can't wait to see Part 2 (or more given the amount of dramas this person loves to create) about fan harassment.
Written by a former fan who was a victim of this woman and her cast for a misunderstanding and about my handicap. I will never forgive the people involved for what they did to me.
Oh my god, what did they do to you? If you're uncomfortable, you don't have to answer, but the more I hear about Viv the more I realize how she only cares about trampling on others to win and how hypocritical she is
@@YerKnawpeed To put it simply: there was a misunderstanding between me and a member of his team. I'm not going to say who (yet) but because of the members of their toxic fandom, she thought I was a dangerous individual when I was just expressing myself badly and that was not my intention. because of this person who spread lies against me, I received 3 years of harassment. All the admiration I had for this series is dead and that's a good thing, especially for what they did to Ken or the others. I will never forget these people.
@@faxota2677 Oh god, so you were harassed both by her, her team and by fans?
I can't stand this stuff when not just someone in the fandom starts witch hunt and makes everyone else to do it, but fuckin crew members and her, like, how is that in any way professional???
Without any goddamn investigation too, it feels like these people are fucking angry stans that have nothing better to do with their lives.
And it especially saddening when Viv herself involves in this behavior, encouraging people to be defensive of any criticism of her shows, when instead she could've twitted something along the lines of "stop harassing each other for personal opinions on my shows, the stories are not real and so are characters, but you cause actual emotional damage to the people in the fandom by angrily protecting them and backlashing" and that at least could call out haters and make them think a little, but she herself does it, Jesus...
The reason I never gonna post anything related to fandoms from my personal account, cause people will always find a way to judge you...
Even my ex-favorite fanartists hate other people, like Dannidraws on bug enthusiast, simply because he expressed his frustration over Hazbin, and now a shit ton of other people hate on them too simply because someone they like did it...
This fandom is so huge, so messed up and emotional that despite my love for helluva I don't even wanna engage with it's fanbase
@@YerKnawpeed Thank you so much. it means a lot to me that I can express myself and be understood and comfort. I loved the series. I loved Vivziepop but after everything that happened I learned a lot and how people can be so mean for nothing.
I hope you're doing better and those horrible people have finally left you alone. You don't have to answer this question but do you know anyone else who's had a similar experience to you?
Thank you so much for taking this on. I know it's a huge undertaking, especially emotionally. Really appreciate you compiling everything into an easy-to-digest and easy-to-share format. Will definitely be keeping this and future videos bookmarked for future reference.
Thanks again, and take care of yourself! Much love!
37:46 you saying "motherfucker" as that bear loses track of the fish is such funny timing LMAO
After seeing this video, I hope this video gets at least 1 mil views cuz I wanna see what UA-camrs like Ayy Lmao and Nuxanor think about this.
They'll most likely try to debunk it while not even addressing it lol
Why would they care lol, they’re interested in the show, not the personality of the creator?
@@alexbennet4195 eh probably not but idk
@@alexbennet4195 That's not how it works, if they doesn't really cares about Viz they wouldn't bring up her Tweets most of the time about some certain topics (they even made video about her controversies at some point)
If they really "don't care" like you said they wouldn't make videos covering her all together
Vivzie groomed and sent nudes to me
Haven't we seen this kind of story so many times before? Smalltime person gets rich, lets money get to their head and corrupt them, abandoning their good friends because they're now seen as inferior. This person ends up tripping on their own sword, falling from grace and wealth and ends up humbled, poor and alone. What Vivzie does here seems just like that, she was nothing more than a webcomic artist and music video animator before she started HH. And it wasn't by her own efforts, but the efforts of her friends and the cast that the pilot garnered attention and money. After the pilot, it's just dropped (until recently) and HB was started, retaining almost none of her old crew from HH (if I'm not mistaken). She profits off of that which rode off the success of the HH pilot, and then gets enough e-fame and money to restart her abandoned indie series...with a completely different, much more corporate and Hollywood, non-indie crew. To boot, she basically shoves off her old friends and even kicks them when they're down. She's been getting in a lot of trouble due to her treatment of others, whether that be pride, schadenfreude (Scott Cawthon doxxing incident), hypocrisy or her inability to accept criticism. Not to mention her fixation on male abuse. Sooner or later, I believe she will fall, and it will be by her own actions.
Ashley said her departure from Hazbin was amicable, Husk’s pilot VA still works on Hazbin doing voices for background characters, Alastor’s pilot VA replaced Norman reedus as the voice of Striker for Helluva Boss, Vaggie’s pilot VA attended the Hazbin Hotel exclusive premier with photos to prove it, and Angel’s pilot VA has shown to be on good terms with their replacement.
It isn’t corruption or anything like you’re imagining. Things happen, people can have disagreements in a professional setting and sometimes those disagreements are with close friends; that doesn’t make said individual a bad person. Hell the Beatles had a falling out in the past only to reconcile later on.
We don’t know the exact reasons Viv chose to replace the pilot cast, we don’t know what sort of professional decisions were going on behind the scenes, and we don’t know what exactly is going on in Spindlehorse. All we have are accounts from secondary sources with a history of unreliability and little to no proof to back up their claims.
Truth be told? You’re all a bunch of overly cynical pessimists looking to justify your hatred by any means and always assumes the worst of Viv in every scenario, even when there’s plenty of reasonable explanations for her behavior.
So shut up and grow up.
At least I'm not part of a fandom that forces a little girl to take her own life just because of a stupid ship.@@Randomyoutuber-4831
@@frsl2820 you mean like how the Steven Universe fandom bullied a girl who drew Rose skinny to the point that she landed herself in the hospital from a suicide attempt?
@@frsl2820 oh also, it’s really nice (sarcasm) that you’re using a small subset of weirdos that were actively condemned by the rest of the fandom as a representation of the whole.
Really shows how easily you fall into logical fallacies
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 Maybe you're right. I'm sorry
I worked for vivziepop, she's a fraud
Sure you did pal
@@Bryce946It's.. it's a reference, like a joke.. Oh god.
MR.BEAST🖐️😀🖐️
my dad works in Nintendo aaaahh comment
"i worked for vivienne medrano, she's a sociopath"
Also, it was an accident about her supporting Russia in the war. She had multiple workers who are from Russia (not a problem), but actively supported Russian terrorism and were lying (like they say "oh Ukrainians attack their own territories and kill people") when Russia was the one to do this.
When Vivziepop was addressed about this issue by a Ukrainian artist; she blocked them.
+ Not sure,but I think she was deleting any comments asking her opinion about Russian terrorism in Ukraine
In 2024 many famous people being exposed kyle carrozza , Mrbeast, and now vivziepop (Guess so )
Tbh, vivsipop was exposed like long time ago
Viv got exposed since 2019, the issue is that her rabid fans defend her a lot and petty haters who make up shit don't help either
Don’t forget about Chris and Dr Disrepsect
Vivzie got attemped to be exposed before...but nothing concrete has really stuck.
@@CloudymuffinzI don't know if these are considered as callouts since it's a gossip forum but the badwebcomics wiki forum would often talk about her behavior, art and characters all the way back in 2016. That's how I found out how awful she is.
Wait 'til AyyLmao goes to crusade to defend his mistress
I mean a lot of this is yapping and not all that bad really
OMG OP, it’s accurate! Hope he zips up her pants when he’s done his yapping.
@@Jdudec367 what are you on bro💀
@@Linaa.bajm7 The truth really.
She has soooo may red flags that caused three strikes (not to be confused with UA-cam strikes btw) on Vivziepop.
1. Defending a storyboard artist, who's known as r2ninjaturtle on UA-cam had an obsession of shipping Valentino and Angel Dust romanticizing r*pe and @bu$¡¥€ relationship which crossed the line. No one should be romanticizing that crap and it's discriminating to actual victims.
2. The Hazbin Hotel writing. The pilot episode took flight due to wit and humor I would've loved to explore more on Charlie redeeming sinners but struggles with difficulty bc of sinners sinning instead of jumping to the angel arc. The plot is very sloppy, it should've been reviewed and rewritten for audience to enjoy and relate to the show without trying to mimic South Park.
3. Vivzie's inability to take criticism from others. She should've took it at heart to not take it seriously instead of lashing it out on others. In order to become a good show runner you have to be AT LEAST BE PROFESSIONAL and ignore criticism without fighting others.
Phew 😮💨 finally got that off my chest. I used to be a Vivziepop fan I wanted to make it loud and clear that I don't support her anymore, I'm done with Vivziepop, her bad attitude and allegations destroyed most of her own reputation and her career.
Bye 👋, we won't miss you, and we don't need you
oh my god these are what the FUCK im saying, but literally NO ONE listens to me. especially the criticism part! she would improve in EVERY way if she just took the criticism and tried to improve her media because of it, but instead she just logs onto twitter and goes "I HATE GETTING CRITICISM I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT YOURE ALL DUMB 😂"
@@pjdixon6199 she literally romanticizes rape an sa, don't click on a video about something you love being hated on and then get mad when you see hate LMAOOO
Not really tbh she ain't that bad,
1. He didn't have an obsession with that and it wasn't a romantic ship and he didn't romanticize rape or abuse relationship he just properly portrayed it is all. Well he didn't romanticise it though and no no one is discriminating against actual victims really.
2. The writing isn't that bad really. The plot isn't sloppy, but it was written for that and wasn't trying to mimic South Park, do you know what South Park actually does?
3. Eh she can take criticism and she has before like with Millie for example. She doesn't take it all seriously though she just responds to bad faith criticism usually. Why should she literally ignore criticism? Is that really a good idea?
Her attitue isn't that bad and a lot of the allegations don't really seem true and certainly didn't destroy her reputation or career really.
@@Jdudec367omg you are d riding her
wth kid.
You do not need to defend viv over VALID CRITIQUE. Let alone in EVERY. SINGLE. COMMENT.
I think it might be worth mentioning in part 2 the fact that Rosie's notes for the VA included the character being based on a Jewish Mother- those words exactly
And one harmful stereotype of Jewish individuals is that theyre cannibals
Thank you for doing an unbiased video based on what she's done, 🙏
THANK GOD I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
I thought the stereotype was that they do some Eggplant Cutting on babies which it's said that they don't do but instead they do some..."Blowing"
@@hubertberrum6242 there's several stereotypes throughout history
@@fanvamp5134 oh ok, people have say that Mimzy was changed to look like a jewish stereotype by her nose
@@hubertberrum6242 not just that, but another major stereotype is that Jewish Individuals are greedy with money, and mimzy a) has greed symbol on her back and b) literally in the show begging for help for swindling some loan sharks
And with the nose to tie it together- yeah not a great look.
The excuse is that she's supposed to look like a chicken but cmon- we had to be TOLD that, so..
Everyone's upset about the recasting and not the fact she came out and said the doxxing of Scott Cawthon was justified because she disagreed with him.
It’s not justified for whatever dumb reason she said, it’s justified bc it’s funny
@@KikiCatMeow they sent death threats to his pregnant wife.
@@ctdirect5858 yea deservedly
@@ctdirect5858 hes a pdf file anyway so that baby gonna get got regardless
@@KikiCatMeow You did not seriously just call Scott a pedophile and said death threats to him and his pregnant wife are deserved.
As someone that has lost two friendships (one of 5 years and the other of 7 months) because of vivziepop/hazbin hotel, thank you for speaking out about this. I used to be a big fan but with the way she acted I just couldn´t support her anymore. I also agree with your opinion on the show, the pilot was just SO MUCH BETTER than the actual show. I only watched it because my (then) friends forced me to.
FIVE YEARS?? Goddamn??
Whoa what? You mind me asking what the heck happened?
@@willieboi. I'm going to try and keep this quick. So in short what happened was they wouldn't stop bothering me to watch the show and when I did I just told them 'i don't like the show, the humour isn't really my thing' and then (let's call friend of a few months Victor) started sending me messages of how I'm an awful person for 'making fun of his interests' (Victor always made fun of me for liking things like sonic so-) anyways. They told my friend of five years (let's call them Elijah) to send me messages of how I'm an awful person (20 minutes of voicemails) Me and Elijah cut contact after that and ne and Victor started being 'friends' again. He ghosted me after two weeks though. Sorry if this was really long I tried to keep it short :')
All that for a cringy show, gee I'm sorry
@@badboylolbit5005man, it sucks that happened to you.
But if someone was willing to burn bridges with you over such a dumb thing then they weren't good friends
I like the show Helluvabos and all, but it really annoys me when fans ignore clear fucking evidence that's right in front of their goddamn eyes!
Remember when Arin Frost openly talked about the unreasonable schedule, poor pay, among other things, she was on working for Vivian?
While meanwhile Viv was literally radio silent? Not doing anything at all to debunk the allegations? then just out of the blue said " Sowwy Guys I need a break" That's kind of suspicious, not gonna lie.
Granted, Erin Frost is a rather questionable person themself and I find it very difficult to trust them because of their behavior, but there's a lot more evidence from other previous workers of Spindlehorse.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawn Oh what? There's more from others? I actually didn't hear about it.
@@okamidragonstudios8551 There's tons of evidence from Faustisse, Salem, Ken (who's questionable too but less than Erin), and a whole lot more. Swag is gonna cover it in future episodes.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawn Oh. Okay. Like I said, it's just the fact that after Arin said something Viv was silent and didn't do anything to debunk them. It just rubs me the wrong way ya know? Maybe Arin was lying, but I just... I dunno
@okamidragonstudios8551 Erin wasn't the only one who said that a lot of workers came forward with the same problems from spindlehorse.
I’ve watched/know of gabe since his days in the brony fandom, seeing him grow and actually be able to make a career out of his singing and voice work is so insanely cool to me, I always hope the bast for him he’s truly a talent and Viv is so extremely blind to that doesn’t deserve his voice or ideas.
Didn't he groom Apple Bloom's VA? I'm not trying to defend Vivziepop cause she is a very immature woman but I don't think we should be supporting child groomers just to spite her
He's a white supremacist and a child groomer.
The "snakebath" drawing is smthn that validly SHOULD be brought up while criticizing her, NOT because "oh it's lewd art!" it's because what people Fail to bring up is how the character in that drawing is A 17 Y/O, a sophomore in high school more specifically. He's one of the main characters in her Zoophobia series. She drew a lot of lewd art of this character, as well as a lot of lewd art of another 16 year old character in her Zoophobia series.
Zoophobia has a lot of vile proshipping in it-- she has a very deep history of gross shipping and child sexualization that nobody addresses at all--and if it IS addressed, it's Never addressed thoroughly and/or correctly.
My sources? Literally, just look at the wiki for the snakebath character in her Zoophobia series (his name is Addison)
He's literally listed as 17 canonically, and in multiple panels of the actual comic he'll explicitly say "Im in my third year" "im 17"
As for the 16 year old character I mentioned that's also drawn often lewd, Im referring to Damian. Also just a very simply look at his wiki situation. (referring to the Gallery sections of the Zoophobia wikis)
Thank you for this, I've been trying to explain this for years and most fans deny it
How do you know they were 17 in the art though like were they really?
When did she do that other art?
What proshipping or gross shipping or child sexualization is there? Cause those are claims you gotta back up.
Was that early on or? Cause time does pass so like eh...he may have turned 18.
I looked it up and went to the gallery sections and...yeah no I don't see anything bad about Damian.
@Jdudec367 Vivziepop created Zoophobia in 2012. Thus, doing the very simple math of her being 31 years old today, that makes her 19 when she created it. It's relatively public information that Vivzie worked on Zoophobia all throughout her college years. It was her biggest project while in art school.
In response to "well you don't KNOW if they're 17 in the art piece" I can argue the same exact sentiment right back. You don't KNOW for sure that they aren't aged up. Nonetheless, the characters' canonical age is a minority in most of the narrative of Zoophobia. Due to canon information, I'd say it's Even More of an assumption to guess they were aged up at all.
Lastly, I don't know how far or how briefly you decided to look into the gallery of Damians--but there IS a plentiful amount of lewd depictions of him. One singular piece I will choose to briefly highlight is one between Addi and him where he's tied Addi up and is. Licking him. Ugh--I do not want to explain others. I decided to describe one to make a point--Please, if you really want to care about it Actually Look for yourself in the wiki galleries.
There's a handful of art she made of these minor characters making out n such. Say what you will, but I personally think a person of 19+ years of age shouldn't really be depicting high schoolers in situations like this as it's just Really Weird. Her OCs didn't HAVE to be in high school, it's how she decided to age them. If she wanted to make content like this, she really could've (and should've) made them canonical adults.
@@PeenieWeenyZoophobia was RELEASED in 2012. She started creating it in 2006-07.
@rock87992 I'm referring to art that was very obviously made past the 2006-2010 versions of Zoophobia. It's important to keep in mind that the old version(s) of Zoophobia she made in her high school years was VERY differently styled, and it's fairly easy to differentiate the versions.
I don't doubt that Some of the discomforting art of her minority characters was made when she was a little under 18. Though, this doesn't erase the fact that she still definitely continued with this behavior well into her college years, when she could've aged up her characters with her(--not to mention-the fact that she had a main villain character in her Zoophobia series that was very distastefully written as a pedo creep purely for shock factor. Vivzie would just state on the critiques, "well, she's a villain!!" as if it's an excuse. She wrote this character like this purely for "edginess" and it was very immaturely dealt with in her story. She treated it with 0 seriousness.)
I've never seen HB or HH and don't have any plans to. Vivzie's behavior on twitter alone was enough to turn me off of watching the shows. Sad to see it was worse behind the scenes.
and it's sad to see you actually buying into this BS.
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 lol
@@Vash-Venture just saying, having a falling out with friends, making a promise that you end up being unable to keep, and making a few mistakes as a show runner in charge of their first major production due to inexperience doesn’t make one a bad person.
Also consider that pretty much all of the pilot cast has washed their hands of this mess and have moved on, yet you people seem hellbent on clinging to drama that’s half a decade old.
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 "Clinging to drama?" Bro this is literally the first video on Vivzie I've watched in a year. I do not care.
@@Randomyoutuber-4831Buddy is steaming
I came here with a lot of biases but you pretty much destroyed them all. I never really understood why the hate train surrounding Vivienne Medrano was so big. Most of the time when you ask people on the internet why she is a bad person they always tell the same nothing burger arguments. I had just assumed that it was hate for the sake of hating since this is a common thing that the internet does. Before watching this video I was somewhat of a VivziePop defender and I really looked up to her because of her contributions in the world of indie animation. Now however I am probably one of her biggest haters. I really don't know why more people aren't talking about this stuff. If more of her fans knew about this I'm sure they won't be her fans anymore. Thank you for making this video
honestly, there are loads of black and white opinions in this fandom. or in any fandom in particular. There isn't much substance to relentlessly hating on Vivziepop especially for no substantial reason, like there isn't much substance to relentlessly loving Vivziepop for no substantial reason. in this case, Vivzie has done a lot of questionable and scummy things. Liking her is one thing, but to like her and not see the issues in her character and how she carries herself is a problem in itself. As much as I usually dislike people who hate on something or someone, especially if it isn't a particularly popular opinion, and just give no arguments or reason. They don't give a good reputation for anything the word "criticism" stands for and they just serve to alienate fans of that something or someone (Vivziepop) further and further away, and/or stir up more toxicity than there already is.
to be honest, my personal opinion? I would disagree with Vivziepop on many of her views and would dislike her actions, on Twitter, social media and in real life. best I can say about her is that she's good at being nice to her supporters (specifically her supporters) and interacting with the fanbase. and that her concepts and shows which weren't at the very least atrocious. and her artwork (minus the controversial ones). that's about it.
Honesty...really? I saw a lot of sections in the video and I feel like it's kinda exaggerated like acting like changing voice actors from a pilot is somehow bad, to not getting how important it would be to establish which voice actors you officially associate your characters with and not creating any confusion, to a lot more...alledged stuff etc. Like I know this is only part one but still.
she actually had a lot of fair reasons to dislike her greatly before. shes drawn a stereotypical gay furry to make fun of her ex gay friend bc they had a fall out.
shes also drawn fanart for shoeonhead which for obvious reasons isnt very good in the slightest. she was also hypocritical she said "why watch my show if it sucks get a life" but then continued to dunk on other indie animations even asking for her team at the time to watch n make fun of it.
@@Jdudec367 Changing VAs isn't bad in itself-but lying to them that they'd be kept, not paying them and letting them believe they'd stay, only to fire them because they're friends with an ex-friend, is absolutely bad.
@@RavenStarMedia Did she say they will be kept? Because it sounds like she didn't promise that. And she did pay them and she didn't mean to make them all believe that they will actually stay, except that isn't confirmed to be why she fired them hell one voice actor gave entirely different reasoning for why she fired them.
this is why i seperate content from creator
i like hh/hb, im not THAT weird about it, im just- more of neutral about it and i just enjoy it a bit ig? hb i mainly just like it cause fizzarolli haha funny, this just my opinion tho. if u hate/love hb or hh, alr? u can have an opinion too ^^
dropping the people willingly is actually gross.. hunicast being literally THE SUCCESS for hh makes me kinda mad. man i cant even word what i want to word right.. what is wrong with viv is all i have to say..
"mainly just like it cause Fizzarolli"
Real af.
I still enjoy HB but thats because the team on that show seems to still have a plan. I don't expect HB to be perfect theres already concerns I have but hopefully everyone else working on it can keep Viv in check.
@@AutisticSwag LOL
based
As someone making their own animated series here on UA-cam, I think Vivienne is kind of unable to accept criticism of any kind. Rarely if ever. Like, when it comes to her characters like Millie not getting screentime to Blitzo getting too much screen time to Angel Dust simply being gay with almost zero other qualities. Also with her inability to write episodes with good pacing or consistent personalities.
I once thought of even working for Vivziepop, but my animation techniques are too different from hers as well as I looked up reviews from Glassdoor. Im not one to not get paid a low amount for a ton of work. Especially if my boss is as petty as I believe she is.
At first I didn't really know much about the drama, and I couldn't find a video I could bear going through (not that they were bad, my ADHD just hates me). However now finding this video and getting theough it informed me. Thanks for the information!
Edit: I just watched a scene from the Hunicast, and it's so much funnier than the actual show! I laughed so much I choked on air. It's such a shame they were all dropped.
the hunicast was so good bro 😔 people wonder why alastor and angel became fan favorites even though charlie is the lead - this is why
the thing abt the character with the bath tub snakes.. which i know people dont wanna hear it again but as someone (currently 22 yrs old) who followed vivziepop since i was 16 and actively kept up with the zoophobia comic until it got discontinued
the character with the bath tub snakes was addison, who was also a minor in the comic (17 years old), and as a minor at the time i got exposed to that art of addison either bc of pinterest or people who followed her too sharing it online when i was just looking through her art at the time because she was a huge inspiration to my aspiring art and as a kid, i didnt even know it was meant to be explicit/sexual
and i forgot about the art until 6 years go by and people brought it up recently and only then did i remember and realised that it was an explicit drawing of a minor with animals 😭
I can’t remember where I heard this but I thiiiink Viv was a teen when she drew that? I think regardless it’s VERY wrong and since her audience tends to be teens it’s scary that fans could be exposed to that and potentially have it normalized. having access to that kind of content or art can really warp your perceptions of sex when you’re a minor and I don’t think Viv was keeping that in mind when she was sharing that.
@@lynnboartsdye1943 According to wikipedia, Viv is turning 32 next month in October, so when did she draw that art piece is the question.
@@lynnboartsdye1943she was not a teen she was a grown woman, 21 years old to be exact
@@strawberrydolliee really? That’s even worse if true/Gen
wut
even i wouldnt do that
i WAS gunna do something simialr to one of my characters in my comic (wip)
but then i realized:
hey, wait, shes a MINOR.
so i completely TOOK OUT that entire plotline :P
Everybody say thank you, Autistic Swag!
I’m also a former fan of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss- there’s even still old shitty art I have up on my DA account from around the time the pilot was released. While I don’t believe you need to tolerate/support a creator to enjoy their creation, I’m glad I heavily distanced myself from the fandom nonetheless, and Vivienne by extension… since she’s the main reason a large portion of the fandom is actively full of petty callout drama.
Since my relationship with both VivziePop and her work has soured, I have been going back and forth about the idea of creating a video covering her more recent and actually serious issues, but I couldn’t get myself to do it out of pure laziness. I’m glad somebody (you) is finally taking more initiative than I ever could, and managed to make both an informative and easily digestible video!
To make a quick side note, I’m pleasantly surprised that you disavowed but still acknowledged the “tame” drama that’s tied to her name, while also pointing out the “boy who cried wolf” cycle that surrounds it. You very much hooked me into watching this entire thing since it gave the video a much more mature and concise tone from the very start, which is refreshing considering everything remotely Hazbin Hotel related tends to (ironically) be anything except mature.
I usually try to refrain myself from blanketing people on the internet into “bad” or “good” categories, since the way somebody portrays themselves online can vary wildly from who they are as a person, but Vivienne makes that anything but easy. Each time I learn something new about her, my reaction nowadays is always something around the lines of “Jesus Christ, what is this lady doing?”
Her disallowing voice actors to use her characters in ways that could have helped raise funds for Krystina and her late husband’s funeral/medical expenses (which I had just learned about from this video) is no exception. Vivienne had literally nothing to lose- at that point, it feels like she’s just going out of her way to act shitty…
I feel like many people who continue defending VivziePop today are stuck in an echo chamber that’s constantly praising her, haven’t seen her sordid history of questionable decisions, or are too young to know better… insert comment here about a nine-year-old being at a Hazbin Hotel convention.
I don’t know how Vivienne apparently hasn’t stopped to think that she may be the person who’s bringing to the table many problems that she’s upset about in the first place. So many equations (serious scandals) that occur, but there's always one deciding factor (VivziePop.)
TL;DR? Just because your characters are comically villainous doesn’t mean you need to be like that too, Vivienne /ᐠ > ˕
hahaha
idk why im laughing
dude.
my old friend.
so basically shes uhh
a lil nuts
if u named a toxic fandom
she was in it
she was a HARDCORE fan
around the time i met her i got REALLY into eddsworld
she ended up convincing me to give her ALL my fanart at the time
i have two binders now
but immediately i showed her my drawing of one of the characters
it went like this:
i made this fanart-
OOH TORD! **yoinks**
hey!
mine now hiss
i never got it back...
:/
she ended up telling me she was depressed and was gunna "end it all"
i never heard from her again
every time i text her
nothing.
i think shes either dead or she ghosted me ;-;
but she has no REASON to be depressed
like i get im all depressed
but im depressed bc im lonely af and dont wanna go outside
she was depressed bc apparently her parents were "too kind" or something like that
._.
funnily enough she really loved helluva and hazbin :-:
also vivzipop loves animals not like “aw animals are cute!” no. she LOVES/LIKES them she drew i think a wolf or somewhat animal like that with big ykw and stuff like that she sexulizes them
I really hope the cherri bomb picture is covered in part 2! Keep up the good work because this is really well researched
If you mean how it was traced from Ken we're not getting to that for fucking EVER
@@AutisticSwag that's fair because you could genuinely write a book on vivienne's bad behaviour and still probably have stuff left out
@@AutisticSwag
1. Who’s Ken?
2. Are you implying that you won’t talk about it in general or that you’ll get to it when you get to it?
@@jesseholland261 1. Ken is the one who actually wrote most of the Hazbin pilot (including Alastor staying at the hotel which is the catalyst for the rest of the show's events), then when they rightly wanted credit, Viv slandered them. Also she traced Cherri's design render, promised she'd give credit, and never did.
2. Pretty sure they're saying "I'll get to it eventually but it's going to be a damn long while since there's so much stuff to talk about regarding Viv"
The reason why people bring up the bath tub with snakes is because the character was underaged
I remember hearing something about how she has a partner who also works on Hazbin hotel who is into SA and vive dosen’t fire hire him for that.
Edit: Michel Boggs was who I was thinking of, ILOVEKIMPOSSIBLEALOT Made a short video on why she said she didn’t want to make videos involving Hasbin Hotel mainly because of Michel Boggs.
Raph isn’t her partner but Viv is a fan of his comics
You're probably thinking of Raphael, which is a... complicated situation?
But at the simplest bottom line, I certainly don’t think that it's acceptable to fire someone for having a kink.
@@AutisticSwag The fact he *may* of inserted it into the show and they both tried to pass it off as something it's not is still potentially gross though.
@@AutisticSwag bruh my comment was deleted don't know if yt ate it or otherwise but...why would being into SA ever be okay?? it's a crime to do that to someone and allowing someone to express that interest of theirs encourages them to potentially hurt someone in real life. it's like if we excused someone on the team for being into children
@@unnamedaccount2234 People have kinks and I'm not gonna go into what kinks are okay or anything like that... HOWEVER, Viv claimed Raph was a victim of CSA in order to justify putting that stuff into the storyboards and scenes, but Raph said that he wasn't. So.
the lewd snake bathtub picture was about a child. it wasn't gross cuz it was bathtub snakes, it was gross because she drew a minor.
does this video even talk about the stalking a minor at a con? i'm just seeing a lot of comments about money.
@@DraconisWyrm did vivzie stalk the minor? What happened?
@@DraconisWyrmContext?
@@DraconisWyrmare you sure you’re not thinking of the creator of 12forever?
@@Chillipowww ya I think they're mixing her up wit viz. Cuz I'm pretty sure viz has never done something like that
This was a really good video essay! Please make more
A very well-made and well-researched video. Nicely done.
I heard Vivziepop wanted weird al to be Lucifer but lost the chance because he doesn't like to swear, SHE FUMBLED THE BAG SO HARD OH MY GOD i much would've preferred a non-swearing Weird Al Lucifer that sounds amazing L honestly
Regardless of that being true or not, the dialogue in HH is so juvenile.
@@Quole1234 yeah i'm hoping its not true tbh because i'd honestly hate how well he would've done in the role (tbh i think even if he had the chance he didn't take it anyway because of how interesting the dialogue of the show is)
Having Lucifer, the ruler of HELL be the only character not to swear would seriously be HILARIOUS, funnier than any joke in the series.
@@JamboreeBlackberry honestly, plus it'd be intresting to see him fight alastor and use fake swear words or interesting insulte
@ It would work well with the personality he was given
She is not a good person or a bad person she is a person on twitter
So in short, a mess.
This is a really well-informed and well put together video. The only complaint I have is that the thumbnail is way too goofy for such a serious topic.
Fair
@@AutisticSwagIt's alright. Though I do suggest the following videos in this series to have more serious thumbnails.
@@AutisticSwagI have to agree, the issue is the context of people shaming vivziepop based on how she looks alone. We should focus on her actions and not shaming her appearance
As much as I love Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, I don't really like Viv, seeing all of this made me realise she's not really a good person, and I choose to no longer support her, as her actions to me are unacceptable in my opinion, i know i'm late, but i just wanted to say my current thoughts on Viv in general.
I love when someone starts hating on someone ive always disliked (and realizing somehow i was right on hating them for no reason)
Michel and Eward being replaced in general will forever be the biggest upset. Blake and Amir are NOT better and not the same
I honestly also prefer Jill Harris and Elsie Lovelock as Charlie over Erika Henningsen, by far.
@@johnbarlow862 yeah me to. The pilot cast was just everything
Elsie Lovelock ATE as Charlie bro
@@AutisticSwag Is that the original voice actor, singing voice, or current voice actor?
@@Shizaya4ever She was the singing voice for Pilot Charlie.
There is one thing about that alleged leaked email of Vivzie firing all the previous voice actors that bothers me moreso than it probably should.
Everyone is copied on that email.
It's not BCC'd to each one individually, it's all there for everyone in the group to see.
So it's not just the one voice actor learning he/she got the axe, but knowing who else did too.
i always had feeling that Vivziepop is like the John K. of indie animation.
Without the p3dophilia
At least she doesn’t go after kids
Well, except the difference is that John K. has indeed groomed minors and abused them. Viv, however, while I can't say she's a great person, but there's zero evidence that she has done that the same way that John K did.
i hate viv as much as the next guy but she shouldnt be compared to jk
yes, maybe it was a bad comparison, but hearing hearing about how she treated most of her staff members and couldn't accept criticism, it just reminded me of how john k. treated most of his staff and couldn't accept criticism and criticize others, thats all. never have i put two thoughts about the other nasty shit that he did, but overall the attitudes that they both had, think that their art was high quality and everybody elses was shit, so i apologize for that.
Very curious about Part 2 👀
This feels like a breath of fresh air after seeing petty drama all the time within the fandom, just yesterday Ayy lmao posted about a controversy surrounding the fucking *slurs* penguin merch, but you bet he’s gonna be obsessing over the show and posting about it tomorrow cause it doesn’t matter. I wish more people knew and talked about shit that actually has an impact on people irl 😭
I remember when the cast got replaced people were like "don't be mad at Viv!" Basically a lot of good vibes only toxic positivity.
The move never sat right with me. It was clearly a shitty "it's showbusiness" type of thing, where you're just supposed to be okay with people being dumped because that's how you make the big bucks.
the show filled and marketed with sexual content and innuendos due to how quicker children spend money on that and is stylistically derivative of specific tumblr communities (that they know was also full of kids) was made by a person that is not good? people think executives don't know children ignore the rating? shocked i tell you
Not to take away from what you're saying here, but I do wanna mention that it's been some years since the tumblr hayday of viv's blog and the general stuff hazbin's style is derivative of, so the target audience is likely young adults now in their 20s?
I feel like this is a bit of an unfair criticism (compared to all the fair criticisms in the video). A lot of adults like art styles that appeal to children too. That's like saying Gooseworx should be held accountable for all the content farms milking The Amazing Digital Circus because she made the show look bright and colorful (though tbf, with The Amazing Digital Circus, it's supposed to look like that because it's supposed to take place in a family friendly VR game, but still). I don't think Viv willingly made the art style one that appeals to kids on purpose, but then again, if she already isn't a good person, we can't know that for sure.
Nobody but the parents are responsible for the content a child consumes. Always supervise your kids on the internet. Yes the Roku and all it's streaming services are part of the internet.
I don‘t agree with this. Animation media is not exclusively for kids and if you treat these series as that despite having adult content warnings you just can‘t be mad later that it didn‘t pander to children. I do not think that any piece of media has to be kid friendly. In fact, making it so turns people into childish adults and you can tell by how media literacy has been getting worse over the years. Where before you could tell as a viewer of adult shows what is morally correct and what isn‘t just from tone while now, ppl get angry over anything that doesn‘t basically do a morality lesson at the end as if adults are too childish to know these things. It‘s how you get horror media for example where ppl throw hissy fits over something immoral as if horror doesn‘t imply bad things happening in the first place.
It is this pathetic mental laziness that really annoys me. This inability to think about things yourself. Of thinking critically. Of not just watching stuff with your brain turned off like some 5 year old who‘s never learned anything. You are an adult. You can make up your own mind. You know basic morality. A show depicting grey morality or darker themes isn‘t „romantisizing“ or „glorifying things“ just because it dares to portray em. If it was doing said things it‘d have to explicitly side with the bad characters. For the hazbin example, it would give valentino a song that victim blames and abuses and give angel some scene where he doesn‘t act like a perfect victim and the show framing it as him actually being at fault for being abused. There wouldn‘t be all these scary serious scenes of him suffering or him bonding with the bird cat guy over their bad situation. That is what makes it different. And the fact some of you ppl cannot tell this apart is scary tbh cause i bet it‘d make you look at any real life situation and end up really easily manipulated by the bad person to think they are the victim.
And if you are a child and you watch this, that‘s on you and your parents. I used to watch adult stuff as a kid too. But wouldn‘t get mad for the creators not intending to make it for me. Or refusing to cater to my intelligence as a child. Adults deserve their own spaces and also their own content to enjoy and they shouldn‘t be forced to share a seat with children in their free times while never being able to enjoy entertainment that is also not just meant to parent children. You are in fact infantalizing adults and blaming them for children infiltrating their spaces. It‘s like getting mad at adults at a 18+ club cause minors sneaked into it and also demanding the club to be made for all ages because of it. Adults need their own spaces. And adults also do not owe anyone child friendly places or media. Childrens media exists for a reason. And we cannot overlook the fact that they get their own entertainment so adult media doesn‘t have to talk down to parents or censor itself to not disturb the child mind. To expect all media to be child friendly is to condemn all adults to perpetual childhood. And a refusal for them to grow into content more suitable for adult minds.
@@cherokeenevin3763 I actually agree with this, but then i was reminded that they allowed a child on comic con (i think), space for hazbin hotel to ask things to the vas (it was a question that a children should not be questioning), so just by the fact thar vivizie allowed a child here is super weird, like she should want her fanbase to be adults only
Its a breath of fresh air hearing someone speak on Vivzies wrong doings in a reasonable understandable way. There are so many vivziepop riders on this app that preach she can do no wrong. Everyone congratulates her on how successful she is, but how she got there is another story.
She’s not even bad she’s DESPICABLE. As a former Vivzepop fan I’m just NOW starting to realize the screwed up stuff that happened in both shows with the depictions of SA for laughs. The Krystal LaPorte hunnicast situation was just downright evil, I used to think this stuff I heard was rumors or people trying to make her look bad or whatever but then my friend brought it to my attention and I did some digging and I found the bathtub snakes thing that you mentioned and I was done. The only reason I was watching Helluva Boss was to support the actors, for those saying people can’t “Seperate the art from the artist” yeah that’s a what I was trying to do but it just didn’t right that I would still even watch the content of someone who is such a degenerate person on their channel mind you. I’m actually so glad you made this video because it was the final nail in the coffin AND much needed wake-up call because people REALLY should know how awful she really is.
Sorry for such a long comment but I really needed to say this to get it all off my chest because I’ve been holding this is for a VERY long time because one time I tried to bring the snake thing up to my friends they just completely dismissed it which I think contributed a bit to the delay of me officially not supporting Vivzepop all together and the fact I got way too invested, but you CAN “Separate the art from the artist” because I do tend to do that outside of this but there has to be a point where you gotta draw the line people I mean come on. :/
7:36 Not for nothing but I’m thinking Mick Lauer got downgraded in his role due to him also facing some pretty heavy controversy at the time.
First time I heard about Vivziepop was from the Bad Webcomics Wiki from a decade ago, before she really blew up. I think you know what webcomic it was lol
Yeah, it takes me back memories of reading that site regarding her Zoophobia webcomic.
That's how I found out abt her too, the old Zoophobia thread mainly. Later the Hazbin thread but that got purged cause ugh, lots of drama happened
@@raidencola I don't know about the Hazbin thread. I only know the article on Bad Webcomics. I miss that site. That's where I learned about Linkara, too lol
i love hh/hb but this behavior is just a no and i hope more fans/youtubers find out about it
And I think the last month has taught us that just because someone gets a lot of stupid hate doesn't automatically make them a good person.
Oh my god THANK YOU. I feel like so many people blatantly ignore Vivziepop's bad behavior just so they can keep watching the show while cancelling somebody the minute they dig up a tweet from 2008. It's honestly frustrating watching someone continue to succeed while evidence is being leaked on the daily atp, all because everyone's fawning over something so mediocre (in my opinion).
I met her at a con before I knew anything about her and she was so rude and unprofessional! It was horrible like literally all of her voice actors were like 100x nicer than her
Could you give an example of how she was rude and unprofessional?
Im very grateful that I knew when to step away from all of viv's projects and relieved that all the bad vibes I started to feel from her when I found out about her were spot on.
I should also known when I saw her attacking the creator of Five Nights at Freddy's on twitter because of who he voted and his religious beliefs.
this video 100% helped me finally take a side on whether i liked viv or not.
the intro part when you said majority of the hatred towards her were nothing burgers and the claims had nothing to back it up REALLY resonated with me, because its so true. i feel like everyone hates her for good reason, but its not always the right reasons or the ones we should be focusing on. this is your standard case of getting caught up in the fame and money you get, and dropping everyone around you because of it. thank you for such a well formatted and genuinely easy to listen to video, im looking forward to part 2
thankyou! listening is much easier with this since its much less distracting as entertainment
Pausing the video to say THANK YOU for doing this podcast style. Visuals are great, but I have stuff to do, haha! I wish more videos were done this way, it would be such a time saver for me.
i’m waiting so patiently for the next part of this
Weirdo
@@pjdixon6199 who are you
@@brokenflip-phonecosplay1453Ignore them. They’re a vivzie stan lurking because the honor of their goddess has been besmirched
@pjdixon6199, what exactly is so weird about wait for a video? You know what is? Calling someone a weirdo when they never provoked anyone. Weirdo.
I do really wish we knew why the Voice Actors got replaced.
What was the reasoning behind it?
Because Viv hated that the VAs were becoming such good friends with Ashley, the Hunicast bunny. That, and she apparently always wanted Broadway actors because she's obsessed with Broadway.
I mean, if the answer is "she wanted a Broadway cast since the very beginning and then saw the chance and took it" as it was mentioned by the VAs, sounds like real good reasoning for a petty boss?
huh! this is honestly really refreshing. i had similar stuff happen, with people calling out viv and saying she's a terrible person, but then getting lackluster evidence as "proof". the bathtub snakes were...well, the only actual proof they had, it's actually nice to know WHY i should hate her. i mean i defenitly don't LIKE her, especially with the way some of the rep is, but i wanted actual definitive reasons other than "she bad!!!" and then when i try to look into it, just. absolutely nothing shows up except clickbait videos and it ends up just being dumb stuff. THANK YOUUU autistic swag, you, do indeed, have autistic swag. I SHOW MY SUPPORT!!! and this is just part ONE? YOU ARE FEEDING US!!!!
Man, finally someone compiled everything into one cohesive video and explained everything with proof, I'm very glad I found your video! Ever since I found out Viv fired everyone when all I've seen from Hunicast was how all of them were such good friends I started to suspect fame and money got over Viv's head and would you look at that... it seems very likely so :/
Excited for part 2! Great video, loved the natural footage in the background, very calming!
‘There are not enough margaritas in the world to get me through this woman’s behavior’ HELP IM LAUGHING SO HARD you gots a new subscriber !!!
I’m shocked that you don’t have more popularity, this was really well put together. Love to see you cover more
Man you really live up to the name good shi tho
When the random e-celeb you dislike for just being dumb and annoying finally gets outed for a legitimate reason to hate them:
REAL OMG IM ACTYALLY SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS
TRUE
38:40 what kind of flowers are the bears eating? 🤔 They're so cute
I'd guess some type of clover, my best guess being red clover I'm not 100% sure tho the resolution isn't the best.