I just wanted to say thank you for this channel,as a wannabe storyteller and screenwriter,this helped me (while cringing at the thought of the show)figure out what to do and what not to do when it comes to writing characters and stories
Hazbin hotel should’ve been about rehab into a functional society. I view heaven like the wealthy town with good hospitals while hell is the crackhead town. Charlie was so insulting to Angel. You have a dr-g addict asking for help and u give trust fall exercise.
The main problem is that people who are trying to say everyone should be their own arbiter of their own morality and there is no objective truth but Christianity is bad because it's judgemental - still believe in objective and universal truths, use the moral categories of good and bad, and ultimately "their own" ideas are actually Christian ideas that have been part of culture and civilization they've inherited for so long they don't even realise are Christian.
One of these people once told me that they don’t believe in objective morality, but they will say things are right or wrong to them. Therefore, if someone did something evil to their subjective opinion, they will call them out or fight them if necessary.
@@tfordham13 there certainly was philosophy and morality before Christians and parallel to Israelite culture. But it really didn't look much like our modern ideas.
How does Lucifer give her free will by giving Eve the fruit? If he gives her free will through the fruit, then that means she doesn't have the free will to eat the fruit to begin with, so how does she even eat it? Was she force-fed? Doesn't sound like he's giving her much free will in making that decision.
Hazbin and Helluva Boss both have Viv in control and her awful writing tarnished Hazbin Hotel, she said she valued good faith criticism but she wrote early episodes of Hazbin, Adam is how he is, the terrible logic and so on because of her and skip to Full Moon and it still is awful, she then says Stolas is in wrong too but we get Apology Tour and no Merch that Blitz has that truly shows they're equally in wrong & Blitz gets turned into a villainous individual that "proves" Stolas is better, you can say that Viv didnt write all of it but that doesnt change the fact she greenlit this stuff, she willingly chose to keep everything as is and there's more than just what I mentioned that shows Viv is the problem, the more she gets to stay, write and have control, the more this stuff is going to stay.
For me, the moral grey area in the concept of hell has never been whether or not people who've done horrific crimes deserve to be punished for it. It's the unilateral application of eternal damnation as a punishment for everyone regardless of the severity of the crime. Everybody knows sex traffickers are bad people who probably should go to hell, but is the lesbian couple next door _really_ equally guilty? If the story was meant to explore the concept of moral gray areas it shouldn't have focused on extreme cases and instead focused on the everyday people who get marginalized by Christianity and it's effects on social politics. That would certainly justify the idea that heaven is too judgemental. By focusing on Charlie trying to "redeem sinners" it's only further reinforcing the social constructs it's aiming to deconstruct. She's also unilaterally applying her morals to all sinners which paints them all in the same light despite the fact that there is a difference. Unless the idea is that Charlie's ambitions are meant to be a parody of Christ, but given the show seems to be unwilling to challenge her mindset, I'm not too sure that was the intent.
Aside from the dilemma that the Christian community has had for ages over deciding which parts of the language around hell are literal and which are metaphorical, one interesting thing I can note is that Jesus directly addressed this grey area of punishment versus crime. In the book of Luke, chapter 12, Jesus uses a parable (stories often using similes to parallel real truths) about a man’s household of servants. A servant who abuses his fellow workers is given capital punishment; another servant who abuses no one but knowingly defies instructions receives many lashings; and a servant who did not know precisely what he was assigned to do, but did inappropriate things regardless, receives very few lashings. This is presumably where many Christians derive the idea of “circles” or “layers” of hell. So whatever a sexually promiscuous but otherwise decent person faces in hell (which, in fact, is NOT because of their sexual immorality, but rather for not seeking relationship with the Messiah, their Creator), is never going to reach the levels of absolute punishment for those who do evil deeds toward others. p.s. Edgeworth pfp is a chad move, much respect
@@marche800 That is a completely fair question to ask about hell. And, in short, my answer would be that the idea of everyone receiving equal punishment simply is a false assumption and not what the Bible teaches. Let me back up that claim. For example, in Matthew 10:15, Jesus says “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment, than for that city.” In John 19:11 he says “…the one who handed Me over to you has the greater sin.” We can also look at the old Testament. Proverbs 6:16 says “There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him….” And we can go back further to the Torah like Numbers 15:22-30 which lays out what to do in cases of unintentional sins vs. intentional ones. Throughout the Bible, there are distinctions made between different sins. They are not all treated equally. They do not all receive equal judgment, as Jesus explains himself. The word “sin” really just means a crime as defined by God rather than by a government authority. The fact that a number of actions are legally put under the category of “crime”, does not mean they are all equal. Many people might “go to jail”, but they will not have the same experience even if in the same place. Some might go to solitary confinement, for example, and not everyone will have to serve the same sentence. In a similar way, all sins are worthy of “going to hell”, but there’s no reason to assume that everyone has the same experience there or even that it’s static (unchanging). Hope this explanation makes sense. Feel free to ask follow-up questions! Have a good one
@@marche800 The problem that i with hell is the Hazbin universe is that hell isn't a punishment, there's no flame, lashings or anything of the sort, it's just a place where bad people go to and that's it, nothing about the place in itself is really bad
I have been to old for this cartoon even back when it was first on UA-cam. So I had literally only watched the pilot once. But it didn't hit me back then that the Lesbian couples names are Charlie and Vaggie. A gender neutral but masculine leaning name. And one that sounds like female genitalia. This would have been clever. In the late 80s. Now it is like a brick to the face. Also I judge "to old" not by age specifically. But instead by if the thing I am experiencing is new enough to me to be interesting. This show would have being interesting to me in 2012 and down right original to me in 2008. But I had seen or thought of things like this long before 2019.
I would say that doesn't mean you are too old, just you are very aware and the thing doesn't bring something new. When it comes to shows, you are almost never too old for it. I think it is more wisdom and possibly change of taste. But yeah there is no subtly here for the imagination.
The reason she’s named vaggie is actually bc she was an angel (suprised) named by THE Adam himself. In the show he’s a womanizing POS. Hope that clears it up
Speaking as someone who was following the original pilot back when we all thought she'd be doing a "Dante's Inferno meets Black Butler" kind of story about the meaning of morality, the writing changes from pilot to tv show were expected, but man did it sting that she didn't go with her original story concepts...
She doesn’t understand morality. She wants to tell a story of how hypocritical heaven is without understanding the concept of good and evil. From the looks of it she has the pre school thinking. There is a difference between being “nice” and being good/holy.
Yeah, I also wished it was kept simple like in the pilot: Charlie and friends helped bad but not utterly irredeemable people and people who are misguided yet not unfixable and/or couldn’t redeem themselves when they wanted to in life, genuinely trying to help them in not only wanting to become better for the sake of it but also so that they don’t suffer for all of eternity in Hell. Also, Purgatory should’ve been introduced properly.
@@DanialTarkithat's the thing, I asked about it and apparently everyone and Viz said it doesn't exist because then hazbin would be redundant from my understanding. Which is funny as freak.
@@MrSophireI agree. Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character too Charlie never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend! She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna Vaggie deserves better in my opinion Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!? Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only! She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters. - Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view. - Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions. - Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard . - The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity. even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters. Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others. Charlie is also selfish It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression: ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down? Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants. She was so judging than understanding. they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals. - The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality. - But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste. - At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of. - Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!? She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are - The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves. - As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important. - She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them: Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds. -Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression. And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning. Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top. Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that. - Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it. - He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her. - Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little - She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining). Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line. She almost never apologized only some times but that's all And she is really hypocrite Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him! But what about Alastor?!! Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol. Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic! She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish
@@rachelgardnerray9977 lo de Alastor me pegó profundo, más sabiendo la parte en la que canta solo en su torre dd radio destruida y teniendo un colapso mental mientras el resto canta feliz y ni se preocupan de que haya pasado con él
This is a channel that deserves to blow up. I mean, two videos with such high (deserved) engagement, such top-tier editing, the lore of your personas, and the interactivity? UA-cam partner material, right here. If it's okay, can I share the channel? I have a Fandom account, and think you guys deserve more attention
Star isn't inspiring, she's basically Hitler. She committed a genocide against magical creatures and most likely lead to massive human death when she violated earth so she could date her high school crush. She's the most selfish animated character of all time.
@@kylethomas9130Well Charlie from hazbin isn't better. Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character too. Charlie never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend! She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna Vaggie deserves better in my opinion Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!? Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only! She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters. - Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view. - Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions. - Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard . - The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity. even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters. Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others. Charlie is also selfish It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression: ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down? Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants. She was so judging than understanding. they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals. - The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality. - But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste. - At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of. - Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!? She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are - The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves. - As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important. - She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them: Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds. -Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression. And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning. Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top. Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that. - Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it. - He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her. - Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little - She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining). Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line. She almost never apologized only some times but that's all And she is really hypocrite Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him! But what about Alastor?!! Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol. Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic! She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish.
Listen... I think the phrase "She cooked" should be for videos like yours! Because you didn't just cook, you sauteed, you grilled, you fried, you just ... You did it!! Great video! I love long form content, so I spent two hours writing notes on the original mythology I'm working on whilst listening to your video, and it really helped me focus!! Keep it up! I love your videos and your personality, and the way you deliver your views!! Very well done!!
@@jazzandghostOh and I also agree with your point on villains! Villains doing partially the right thing OR having a good/understandable motive makes a good villain. My FAVORITE example of a good villain with understandable and maybe even the right motives is Magneto!!! What he does is terrible for sure, BUT his motives for doing so isn't! Magneto was a victim of the Holocaust, Lost his parents and sister to Nazis, lost his daughter to cruel men and his wife to fear.... in his eye he's seen the worst humanity has to offer, they can and sometimes do, eradicate what they don't like or what they fear.... Ok short: HUMANS ARE CRUEL. And he kept this view as he grew up- he thought that humans would destroy mutants, kill them... "Take the to the gas chambers" so to speak, and to protect mutants and ensure they don't get wiped out by 'inferior' humans, he thinks they should rise above humans and rule over them... and view humans as inferior... Or kill them all first. Magneto has done some horrid crap, but you can see why!!! Magneto wants liberation through violence..... He has an ANY MEANS necessary approach! That's why Xavier and the X-Men are perfect adversaries, Xavier strives for equality between the humans and mutants alike and strives for PEACE not violence! That's why Magneto is a good villain! He's so complex, seriously! A less complex version of this would be MCU's Ultron. He saw a glimpse of the world wide web and thought "All humans must die!!!" To be fair, if my first interaction with humanity was the Internet... I'd want them all dead too!! So yeah, villains shouldn't be just simplistic, EVER!! Even seemingly simple villains are complex and much deeper- that's why we love them!! People can like simple villains sure, but the complex ones with story and crap- they get ALL the love!!! Sorry I went on a tangent there.... Sorry I made you hungry, thanks for wishing me luck on my mythology, I'll need it... And prayer 😊!!!
I agree! Finally someone who doesn't protect Charlie blindy. Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character too. Charlie never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend! She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna Vaggie deserves better in my opinion Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!? Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only! She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters. - Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view. - Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions. - Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard . - The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity. even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters. Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others. Charlie is also selfish It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression: ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down? Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants. She was so judging than understanding. they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals. - The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality. - But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste. - At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of. - Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!? She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are - The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves. - As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important. - She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them: Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds. -Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression. And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning. Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top. Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that. - Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it. - He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her. - Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little - She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining). Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line. She almost never apologized only some times but that's all And she is really hypocrite. Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him! But what about Alastor?!! Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol. Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic! She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish
I believe Charlie is a good person with good intentions but that like everyone else at the hotel, she has a lot of growing, self-reflection, and redemption to be done. The important part is wanting to be better. If she's hurt someone, it starts with sorry.
@@jazzandghost yeah I was on the hate wagon at first but decided to give it a shot once the film came out and I felt so bad I didn’t give it a shot while it was airing. Now it’s tied with being one of my favorites series with 2012 show. Hopefully they will give it a revival
Every single piece of this show’s presentation turned me off. I could also guess the entire premise within four minutes of exposure to it so I didn’t feel the need to watch the rest when I realised that my guess was accurate.
1:50 -2:00 That description of Charlie sounds very familiar for some reason. Almost like she's an author's surrogate without a single bit of self-awareness or irony.
I only disagree with Star being an inspiring protagonist. She genocided every single being in the universe who's made up of magic. Star's done a crime worse than the majority of the Hazbin characters and it's painted as a good, noble thing by the narrative, ugh.
The finale of svtfoe was an absolute mess. As was Star in that last season. But I do blame the writers, rather than Star, for that. That's not the character they set up or wrote her as in the previous seasons.
Loser is not about being terrible.It's about suffering, Angel was abused by Valentino, his soul owned by him. When he returned back to the hotel, he puts on a mask, covering who he really is. Husk was saying, don't think your the ownly one, there are others like you and they completely understand.
“There’s a lot of feminist and not-straight people in hell, what are you trying to say with that?” Got em 😂 This was a really well put together video essay! I can’t wait to see what else you make in the future! ❤🙏
A shame that a show with fluid 2d animation and a cast that is frankly STACKED with Broadway voice talent boils down to: heaven bad, hell is just full of poor little meow-meows
I actually disagree about the animation after staring at these clips for so long. I think vivzie is a fantastic animator! And her other work is so dynamic and full of life! But HH was honestly pretty flat in comparison.
@@melonyrobinson9944 it really feels like Vivzie is afraid of having her characters be bad people, just look at Charlie, she is always portrayed as this perfect little creature UWU, which is why I prefer Adam so much, he is just fun
Viziepop is a designer, she is an artist, a song-maker, a conceptualizer, but above all else, she is not a writer. She just isn't, and she weighs down the show by forcing herself to be it's writer.
1:24:11 For Thor, it’s intentionally made that way because his friends are enablers and are just as arrogant as he is. Thor is a spoiled person, never held accountable for his actions, and no one has given him no as an answer. Him being banished was the only time he was actually facing consequences for something he did. The only person who sees Thor in the wrong for acting this way is the antagonist of this story, Loki. He sees Thor as an unworthy heir of the throne and thinks that he can be a much better King than Thor ever will be. Which is the reason why he schemes and betrays Asgard. He did manage to succeed but only for short time; since Thor had gone through a whole character arc and defeated him.
Here for your friendly local algorithm bump comment. 😁 I don’t have much to say on Hazbin because I’m thoroughly outside of the target demographic, so anything I would say would probably bleed too much into my feelings against tropes like “woaahhh the ‘gOoD GuYs’ are actually EVIL!” and my wish that people would understand how the “Precision F-Bomb” trope works and incessant, empty cussing does not. But I definitely enjoyed the essay, Captain! 🫡
Since AOT season 4 was brought up and I have very strong feelings about it I'm going to comment about it even though it has nothing to do with the main topic of this video. Just take it as a comment for the algorithm. Spoilers, I guess: I despised season 4 of AOT for a bunch of reasons but all of them stem from one cause: Eren. A lot of people didn't like Eren throughout the rest of the series and only liked him in season 4, or at least that's from what I've seen; I'm the complete opposite. It seems like a lot of people thought Eren was a whiny, annoying little wuss that was just loud and angry all the time. To me, that's an incredibly surface-level evaluation of him, and I actually find him to be very relatable and even compelling. He was an emotional child who had a very strong sense of what he thought is right and wrong and had very good reason to be angry all the time (his mother was eaten in front of his eyes and he wasn't able to do anything about it). Although he was hot-headed, brash, and impulsive, he was still trying to be a good person and protect people by literally killing the ultimate enemy (at the time) that just so happened to also kill his mother, fueling his hatred for the titans. A lot of times, when I was watching Eren, everything he did was something I agreed with or would've done myself if I were in that situation or even when he made mistakes I still found them understandable. I absolutely loved AOT and it was my absolute favorite series of all-time (except for Avatar: The Last Airbender because that is a childhood classic that holds incredible meaning to me) before I discovered Berserk and season 4 came out. The final charge of the Scouts in season 3 part 2 was personally my favorite scene in all of media and I was so in the moment I actually almost cried just from how moving it was. After season 3 part 2 ended, I thought it was the perfect finale for a season and it honestly could've ended there and I would've been happy, albeit still craving to see what more there was to the story. The Eren I came to relate to so closely and the characters I came to love and care about so deeply were absolutely butchered in more ways than one in season 4. I'm not a fan of time-skips unless it's during a time where it's basically the same thing happening throughout the time that's being skipped, so the start already wasn't feeling too right to me. After learning about just how many important and crucial things that happened off-screen, I actively came to dislike it because those were all things we should've seen happen on-screen. Come time to find out what Eren's like now and he's completely different, and not in a good way. Eren started as a hot-headed but passionate, caring, and just child, and even as he grew increasingly more jaded over the years of experience he had, he still maintained his righteous ideals and continued to care just as much for those important to him. In season 4, Eren's an absolute uncaring asshole for no reason at the beginning, and as time goes on and he explains his reasoning, it gets even worse. Essentially Eren becomes Titan-Hitler if Hitler were also trying to euthanize the Arian race to prevent them from living a life of suffering. He decides for everyone he cares about on their behalf that it is for their own good that he intrudes on their free will and completely strips them of the possibility of experiencing the joys of parenting (I know parenting can suck, but just because it can suck does not mean it cannot also be joyous) and every possible future Eldian the chance of living a fulfilling life or at least one that they could be happy with. It is the most Bass-ackwards (not a typo) mentality that is a total flip of his morals, ideals, and goals in a way that could very well be considered as character assassination. So now arguably the main character of the show and also the driving force of the plot is headed in this completely awful direction due to sheer stupidity and, in my opinion, contrivance. Oh yeah, the logic behind Eren's morals and goals also has more holes than all the sponges of a coral reef and is more flawed than America's justice system. The sheer amount of frustration I feel towards how much of an utter buffoon Eren becomes brings out very colorful language from me that may or may not be acceptable in this comment section, so I'll refrain from going into detail with that. The reveal that Eren has also always known the future since he was injected and has always wanted things to turn out the way they have so far also not only evokes the exact same feelings in me, if not to an even higher degree, but is also so clearly just the writer hastily trying to make things seem connected and justified the way they are, even though the Eren from the first 3 seasons and the Eren from season 4 would actually try to kill each other. The entirety of the final arc of the series was very plainly awful character-wise, and it was quite obvious that the writer was playing into fan-fiction with the Eren spiel about Mikasa and that he was trying to finish the series as quickly as he could while still shoe-horning in the message "war bad" at the ending. Also the ending scenes where Mikasa kisses Eren's severed head is absolutely disgusting, and it's made worse by the fact that this is the very thing that shows Ymir the error in her ways even though supposedly she can see all throughout time at all times so shouldn't she have been able to know that this would happen in the first place anyways completely negating her reasoning for making all past events happen in the first place?? Lastly, the relationship Mikasa ends up with Jean in that's supposed to feel good feels really bitter and almost cruel, especially considering the feelings that both Eren and Mikasa were finally honest about right at the moment where it wouldn't mean anything anyways because one of them is literally dead in the scene right before. Yes, I did just spend over an hour writing a whole essay about why I dislike season 4 of AOT and not even get into many specifics as to why in the comment section of a video about Hazbin Hotel, but I only did it because AOT meant so much to me only for it to be absolutely ruined in my eyes during the last season and that very thing that I feel so strongly about was brought up in the video. If you want a shorter comment from me, I also wrote one about Lucifer giving Eve free will not making sense.
I didnt keep up much but wouldn't the marks on his cheeks represent corruption and he's been swallowed by the power? I mean when he tapped into the power to fight Annie and forget his humanity, we see he becomes someone entirely different and so I feel it is fitting that this new Eren is because of that corruption.
@@artistanthony1007 Unfortunately, the explanation given (at least in the Manga) is that the Attack Titan has the ability to see all points of time it has experienced and would experience, including things that happen in the future. This means that when Eren was injected with the power of the Attack Titan when he was really really young, apparently he saw everything that would play out through the series happen. If this makes you wonder how that makes any sense at all, don't come to me for answers because I also think it is profoundly stupid.
Nigel and Marmelade is Golden!! And i do love Sam and Max... I love the exaggerated Good cop Bad Cop they exhibit!! (I love Max because hes a total menace, and Sam is just a total dad.... Well, sometimes.... Hes a menance too.... But LESS so than Max, y'know?) Also I have something to say about the humor, Vivzie justified the humor saying she had watched South Park. But the thing is, in South Park there's a reason for the vulgarity.... I think the creators mentioned this, but I've heard fans of the show say this... The reason why the main characters swear, is because.... These are like fourth graders, their parents aren't around... So of course, they will swear (not all fourth graders act bad when the parents aren't present, but enough do...) So even though there's foul language, there is a good reason for it... The swears aren't the joke, the characters being kids acting like this, talking like that is the joke! Or maybe I'm wrong.... 😐 Also your segment on Naruto was awesome!!! Naruto is near and dear to me as it's the first anime I finished to completion- and I love Naruto's character! He worked hard and earned that position of Hokage (I know Boruto exist but I won't consider it canon in my eyes... 😢.)
Yes 10,000 years. Its an actual Robin Williams Genie refrence. Lucy's song against Alastor is full of Genie references. Genies or Djinns are demons cast out of heaven in Islamic myths.
A critique if i may: try not using so many reference clips. I know you're trying to add a bit of flare/comedy by using them, but using to many can distract viewers from your talking points. They can get annoying.
No Charlie doesnt want to leave, she doesn't want her people slaughtered. She eants them to go to heaven because she thinks if going to heaven or hell is a given and the angels kill you if youre in hell then if they could just be able to go to heaven then they would have to die. She like one of those "spiritual" people who are aware of God but think if they temselves are so bad why should God have a problem with them. Charlie is ironically in Hell already and its princess. The reason for that is because IT'S FUNNY. That is to to say ironic and very much in the extreme, thats what makes it humorous.
Also people can't change like Pentious. That is to say Charlie doesn't know for sure that they can, it what she is trying to prove can happen. You'll notice that the Angels didn't know it could happen either.
Charlie isn't better. Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character too. Charlie never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend! She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna Vaggie deserves better in my opinion Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!? Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only! She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters. - Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view. - Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions. - Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard . - The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity. even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters. Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others. Charlie is also selfish It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression: ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down? Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants. She was so judging than understanding. they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals. - The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality. - But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste. - At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of. - Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!? She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are - The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves. - As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important. - She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them: Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds. -Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression. And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning. Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top. Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that. - Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it. - He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her. - Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little - She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining). Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line. She almost never apologized only some times but that's all And she is really hypocrite Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him! But what about Alastor?!! Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol. Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic! She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish
@@rachelgardnerray9977 She is better. No she isn't a judging selfish hypocrite character. She does listen to Vaggie though only a couple times did that not happen, no it happened more then twice and that isn't all and she isn't a bad girlfriend to Vaggie at all and she isn't a bad supporter either. Well yeah but Vaggie hid that truth to her for years when it's a huge deal Charlie had every right to be upset and Vaggie being worried isn't an excuse to lie about something like that she should have known better really. No Charlie tried to understand Vaggie, and well when Vaggie hides that from her for years yeah that kind of does feel like betrayal in a way. No she DID give Vaggie space to let her explain it but Vaggie just didn't explain it. It wasn't out of character at all again Charlie being upset makes perfect sense. No she didn't treat Vaggie as some kind of monster now you are just lying about Charlie really, she didn't act like Vaggie was worse than all sinners, Charlie wasn't really being cold at Vaggie. No she didn't act like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster but considering what Vaggie didn't tell her before she had every right to say that. No it's also cuz of Charlie and Vaggie themselves in the end really and nah how she acted with Vaggie was fair really. Well that's because she didn't usually see others disrespect Vaggie to be fair aside from like once or twice and one of those times was when Lute disrespected Vaggie which Charlie was too busy at the moment to deal with that which was fair really. No she doesn't force Vaggie into doing something she doesn't wanna do she just convinces Vaggie to do it really, yeah true but she still does agree in the end really and no Vaggie didn't sound like she was being forced she just sounded annoyed by the idea of doing it is all but she wasn't being forced.
No wrong she never took advantage of Vaggie to do something that she wanted she just asked for her help really. Nah they deserve each other really. No she isn't the worst person character at all and that isn't facts that is just wrong really, except no Chaggie isn't toxic. Nah that was not her fault he should have known that of course he matters, she didn't tell him that he didn't matter or anything. Yeah he did wanna redeem himself but that doesn't make what Charlie said bad at all really. No Sir Pentious did eventually wanna redeem himself after he actually agreed to stay at the hotel. No she did understand and respect Angel's discomfort but she clearly messed up there unintentionally and the hotel isn't idiotic. No she wasn't arrogant she just made a mistake is all but that doesn't mean she was arrogant. I mean no she makes mistakes but she isn't actually stupid she is just a bit naive is all and talking about Hazbin is fine and that wasn't a stupid mistake on her part. No she was gonna apologize even if Angel didn't scream at her though. No it isn't like with kids as Charlie clearly isn't a kid or is like one. Nah she isn't a toxic character. No she doesn't have trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters like she does clearly get those things. -Except no she self reflects and changes and improves as a person and becomes better at leading for example like in episode 7 so no self reflection isn't missing, and no she perceives all views not just her own and her view isn't one sided either. -No her empathy is genuine not superficial, no she does understand deeper human emotions and she experiences them herself. - No social interactions aren't difficult for her but she does mess up at times, no she does take a regard a lot really. -no the world isn't divided into black and white, there is complexity and Charlie knows that. No she doesn't have trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other chara No her feeling the empathy and pain of others isn't superficial at all it's genuine and her being focused on her goal is fine and she isn't just focused on herself either. No she focused on how others feel too. No she isn't presented with a selfish desire as her desire is to help people out and have them improve as people which isn't selfish at all and she wants to pursue her dream but not at any cost as she isn't selfish like that and no she does understand the needs of others clearly it's why she helps out the way that she does. No Charlie isn't selfish. That wasn't selfish of her to do that she just wanted them to calm down as she wants them to improve in some way at least for their own good so that wasn't selfish really even if her expression was judgemental. She knows she can't control their thinking but she doesn't want to do that and she was just suggesting that they tone it down which is fine really. No she wasn't that judging really and she understood enough. No Charlie doesn't sound stupid and no she didn't sound like she didn't know they were cannibals she clearly knew that but she did want them to change and improve still. -Yeah which Charlie would want them to maybe tone that down and to slowly get better as people....like that isn't at all a bad thing. -No she didn't want to dictate them how to limit their speech according to her taste she just suggested (not fucking dictate you disingenuous liar) that they take it down a notch and she was trying to slowly get them to improve as people and get better really. -No she did understand that for them she just wanted them to improve though, yes she knows that but that doesn't mean that they can't slowly improve and get better as people. -No her rebuke didn't seem arrogant and she did understand the situation No she isn't selfish. No she isn't selfish, no she doesn't make others feel not important that isn't true and no Angel not feeling important isn't on her, same with Vaggie and Lucifer that was their own problems not caused by Charlie at all. No she does listen to what others want and and their needs they have, she just wants them to improve really. -No it does include her further actions and behavior why wouldn't it? And the way she behaves is just fine really nothing wrong with it. -Except you are wrong she does listen to the need of others and she doesn't make them less important. -No she does understand their situation but she also knows that they need to be better too, yeah Charlie judged them but that is fair as they are still sinners and they could slowly improve as people really. No it didn't sound like she didn't know they were cannibals she clearly knew that, yes she realized that clearly cannibals would be murderous like that but that doesn't mean that she can't get them to slowly change though. (no that wasn't that judgemental of her she was being fair really and it wasn't toxic or selfish of her either) no she didn't want to direct them to suit her taste she just wanted them to improve as people is all and yeah clearly she cannot control their behaviors or minds she knows that. -She did give a chance to Adam but Adam wouldn't listen to her even when she was giving him a chance so she had to act in self defense and it's not like she ordered NIfty to stab him or anything it just happened, and she did give Lucifer a chance from the beginning she just wasn't sure if she should actually call him herself or not after he didn't talk to her for a pretty long time at that point but she still was willing to give him a chance she just was unsure about actually initiating it herself is all. Which is fair for her to think that when Lucifer separated from her years ago and never really called or talked to her in a long while.
@@rachelgardnerray9977 Considering his actions her judging him is fair really and she didn't say any nonsense, (well yeah that is a good point as Alastor supported her but her own dad didn't) no that wasn't toxic selfish judgement from her it was fair judgemet really, no she did give him chance but he wasn't living up to it really. No they weren't unempathetic or over the top they were fair and reasonable really. She did know his true motives though, no she did have a right to judge and compare him like that with how he was acting and behaving really. -No she knew that of course her dad wanted to protect her but that doesn't mean that all he did was right though. -Yeah no it clearly wasn't too psychologically taxing to help her especially when he was happy just to see her after going for years ignoring her and not coming to see her or anything, and with that being the case then clearly he would want to be with her and it makes him happy so his problems and depression wouldn't affect him choosing to help her and if anything him helping her would make him less depressed really. -No she did notice that but Alastor can still and did end up manipulating her and it made her think that maybe his intention wasn't all selfish. -No she did take into account her father's emotional state and problems but she also could see his flaws too, no she isn't only focused on her goals she focuses on others too. (no she always gave a chance to him, she judged him but again that's fair given the context and no she did give him a chance at the beginning when she decided to call him in the first place). No her words weren't inappropriate and she doesn't have a lack of empathy towards her own family. No it wasn't over the line or out of line at all. Well then you are wrong she DID apologize at times and yeah that's all but that's all she had to apologize for really and even then she apologized for some things she really didn't have to apologize for either. Considering his actions her judging him is fair really and she didn't say any nonsense, (well yeah that is a good point as Alastor supported her but her own dad didn't) no that wasn't toxic selfish judgement from her it was fair judgemet really, no she did give him chance but he wasn't living up to it really. No they weren't unempathetic or over the top they were fair and reasonable really. She did know his true motives though, no she did have a right to judge and compare him like that with how he was acting and behaving really. -No she knew that of course her dad wanted to protect her but that doesn't mean that all he did was right though. -Yeah no it clearly wasn't too psychologically taxing to help her especially when he was happy just to see her after going for years ignoring her and not coming to see her or anything, and with that being the case then clearly he would want to be with her and it makes him happy so his problems and depression wouldn't affect him choosing to help her and if anything him helping her would make him less depressed really. -No she did notice that but Alastor can still and did end up manipulating her and it made her think that maybe his intention wasn't all selfish. -No she did take into account her father's emotional state and problems but she also could see his flaws too, no she isn't only focused on her goals she focuses on others too. (no she always gave a chance to him, she judged him but again that's fair given the context and no she did give him a chance at the beginning when she decided to call him in the first place). No her words weren't inappropriate and she doesn't have a lack of empathy towards her own family. No it wasn't over the line or out of line at all. Well then you are wrong she DID apologize at times and yeah that's all but that's all she had to apologize for really and even then she apologized for some things she really didn't have to apologize for either. No she really isn't a hypocrite. Well she wasn't super close to Alastor to be fair and she didn't know a lot about him either and she was busy already too so she couldn't afford to cry any more at that moment. Well yeah they at least know that Pentious died unlike Alastor and he was pretty nice and they knew a lot about him unlike Alastor and they didn't have enough time to mourn them both a lot when they were pretty busy as is and when they weren't even sure if Alastor was really dead or not. Alastor wasn't forgotten but again Charlie was already busy and they didn't really know if he was dead or not. Yeah but she also didn't know if he was dead or not it's fine really. Nah she is empathetic and her not crying about someone she didn't know a lot about and who she wasn't even sure if he was dead or not doesn't mean she isn't empathetic. Nope it's genuine empathy really. Nope wrong she wants to help others to make their lives better and to genuinely help them out not cause she needs to or has to in order to feel better about herself that isn't it at all. No she isn't a hypocrite. Nope she isn't toxic judging or selfish.
"Charlie and Vaggie are disguted which is suprising" If your not going to to pay attention because your trying to hard to nitpick, a false critical tool, Then you're not doing a good job at all at reviewing this show. Please tell me (im going to watch till the end so ill see) you are acting for the sake of the season reveal. Because if not you're acting like a huge waste of time yourself, in that since you made a two hour video about something you dont like and aren't trying understand. Im not trying to say this is a master piece or my favorite show. But what it is not poorly written or confused about what its doing.
@@guerreiroazul3230 I added quotes as the next best thing I could manage. I'm using my mobile device rather than a personal computer. Timestamping seemed more tedious at the time, and don't work for me on mobile properly.
@@1001johny I agree even she isn't good written. And Judcec or what's his name which wrote under our comments uhh he only protects Charlie blindy and twists every truth I said he tried to retalk my real facts by his weak facts like he said that Charlie gave a space to Vaggie to explain that (like sorry what? It wasn't even shown Charlie letted Vaggie to explain that it's just shown she was in the room alone and cried like hypocrite) Or that she wasn't coldly with Vaggie alright what? The face Charlie made was cold so like who the person was trying to say? He said many nonsenses but it would be too long for talking XD
@@1001johny I agree even she isn't good written. And the one boy which wrote under our comments uhh he only protects Charlie blindy and twists every truth I said he tried to retalk my real facts by his weak facts like he said that Charlie gave a space to Vaggie to explain that (like sorry what? It wasn't even shown Charlie letted Vaggie to explain that it's just shown she was in the room alone and cried like hypocrite) Or that she wasn't coldly with Vaggie alright what? The face Charlie made was cold so like who the person was trying to say? He said many nonsenses but it would be too long for talking XD
@@1001johnyI agree even she isn't good writte And someone which wrote under our comments uhh he only protects Charlie too much and twists every truth I said he tried to retalk my real facts by his not true facts like he said that Charlie gave a space to Vaggie to explain that (like sorry what? It wasn't even shown Charlie letted Vaggie to explain that it's just shown she was in the room alone and cried as sh*) Or that she wasn't coldly with Vaggie alright what? The face Charlie made was cold so like who the person was trying to say? He said many not true things but it would be too long for talking. XD
@@1001johny she and vaggie are a beautiful couple i love to see lgbt repesantation with Characters be well written in storys but if you dont like i understand
"Fell to Holy arms" means "did you fall in battle to an Angel's weapon"? Your acting very pretentiousness if you think that its the show's fault for not explaining whats going on there. He is a demon who used to be an old human when they still spoke like Shakespeare. Its a character trait signifying how old his charcter is meant to be and how long he has been in hell with out getting killed by Angels. You're really disappointing me, i greatly enjoyed you're Snow White video.
Ignoring star, many other characters were imperfect and not marry-sue like. Also Adam from hazbin hotel i wouldn't call a "villain", as he was more of just a blood thirsty jerk somewhat? Got cheated on by BOTH wives in this universe (irl lore just one, because he didn't want to be dominated in the bedroom activities, but the other one (eve) did betray him so...), lived good in life, so of course he should go to heaven. I don't agree with the portrayal of him being a jerk, plus if anyone can just go to heaven regardless of what sin the comment, then what's the point of life or living "virtuously" when it is basically meaningless?
What confuses me about making the figure of Adam a villain is if we go by biblical canon Adam was in Hell until Christ pulled him out. Adam was just a man who gave up paradise to be with Eve, if anyone represents getting sent to Hell for no "good" reason it would be Adam. Usually Micheal is the go-to heavenly warmonger.
26:48 If hell get organize similar, how a strong country is organized. How much power do you think? Hell will have? And let’s remember Heaven does not want hell to become stronger Forgot to mention this part, but they are the seven deadly sins and hell is bigger
38:24 Why Eve have free will ? There are different Bible stories throughout the world ones that explained there are two women that have been created for Adam one that was a bit more rebellious. Leave him the one who have less rebel attitudes stay with him.
@@1001johny Hamilton, Heathers, Ziegfeld girl, Prince of Egypt and Dear Evan Hansen. Now tell me why is it good for a musical to waste time on a song that doesn't serve nor does it move the plot along.
@@guerreiroazul3230 "Best Whore House in Texas", and "Nerdy Prudes Must Die" must die are what comes to mind at the moment. Whore House was the first film to succeed E.T in the box office when it came out.
Girl no, you dont get to compare a character driven musical series about farcical characters in Hell to Attack on Titan. Thats an extremely unfair comparison because they are doing very different things. Do you even watch musicals? Ever hear of Dolly Parton and Burt Reynds in "The Best Whore House in Texas"? That be a more fair comparison. As both are musicals and beg the question "what is life when your in sin" but thats more of a perse thesis about what the musical and film is about.
"Which adds unnecessary drama which adds nothing to the wider narrative so is a complete melodramatic waste". Its a Musical! Melodrama golore! Come onn you dont get to critique something based on what its actually succeeding at being! You're allowed to not like it based on those merits, but my goodness. Get your act straight fellow!
No, that criticism is completely valid, she's criticizing how it's unnecessary drama that adds nothing to the wider narrative, being a musical doesn't automatically mean they can add unnecessary things that don't support the narrative, have you even seen a tightly written musical before? Because they don't have unnecessary moments or scenes, they have purposeful drama that's woven into the plot, that's what makes a good musical, being a *good story* that just so happens to have dancing and singing occasionally.
@@ryancarson6962 No that's false. It's adding to the character work wich is the point of the series, to be with the characters. Not uncover the overarching narrative. Unless you watch a lot of musicals I doubt you know how musicals expand on their story telling.
"Charlie isnt wise enough to lead people to be good, she thinks okay to have a drink after a hard day" yes we know this. Its why noone in the show believes in her plan. That not a astute observation, its part of her characterization.
@@guerreiroazul3230Don't listen to others you are right! She is portrayed as: "Good perfect pure hero without flaws" but none of that is true. In reality she is judging selfish hypocrite and I can say why
Wanna know one of my least favorite types of videos? Those made only to hate on something, they just piss me off so fucking much, even if for something I agree with being bad
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate most of the time, they're only seen as failures to some people and not to others, for example I'm a huge fan of Hazbin Hotel and see barely anything wrong with the show. It's fine if someone makes a video with constructive criticism on it, then it'll be less likely to come off as a rant and won't offend any fans who see it or those working on it, but calling the protagonist of the show (which was blatantly stated as "already terrible", which is far from criticism) simply insufferable when you just dislike the way they were written compared to other characters *is* going to feel as a video made simply to hate. Personally disliking something is far from it being universally bad. One is an opinion, the other is a fact.
@@TheUniqueen999 thank you for the response. I still wouldn’t say I understand your position, though, so I’m going to flip the scenario and see if that helps. Let’s say someone makes a video and only says positive things about the topic. Is that wrong? Does it offend people who didn’t like the thing and they should be careful not to use language that implies the thing was objectively good?
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate I kinda see what you mean, but the difference is positivity cannot harm people, while negativity can. As long as what's being praised isn't illegal or outright immoral or something, it's doing no harm to praise it.
@@TheUniqueen999 well I disagree that only negativity can cause harm, but I think I understand where you’re coming from now, so I’ll take it. On a different note, if you’ll continue to lend me your time, I’m curious what made you like the show so much. And what were the small issues you had with it?
"Precious precious screen time" Girl you're being a dull bore. Your time with this show is wasted because you're not approaching it at all for what it is. If you are comparing it to Attack on Titan and Steve Martin comedies your falling into the trap of thinking because you like those things it means they're effective and good so you can just compare Hazbin to them. No that is a bad critique. This isnt an epic story about redemption its a situational farce about jerks who might decide to get redeemed.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmpppphhh. This is not religious show in any way and there ia no reason why you should take it to be a critque on religion. This show is no more about Christianity than Dragonball and Bleach are about Buddhism. They are using those images because thats what the culture they grew up in uses as their cultural myth! If your good you go to heaven, if your bad then hell. Whats bad looks like? What really makes people good? Those are basic question that Japanese shows cover all the time exeptthey dont believe in Heaven and Hell like what Christianity teaches. I grew up in Thailand, thats part of why i know. Hazbin Hotel is a secular show about obviously bad people because bad people are fun to write about, (Seinfeld, Family Guy, Deadpool ect.) Your taking this show way to seriously and reacting how non-Christians expect you to act. Poorly.
Fair point, however, rather than being a bad character as a whole, last season/finale Star is a victim of bad writing that wasn't consistent with who she was in the rest of the show.
"Morals dont mean anything if you're going to die tomorrow i guess" Your confusing following Gods law with solcial morale. In Hell what would keep up morale? Not God's laws. In WW I & II soldiers would go to strip clubs and sleep with prostitutes, their comanding officers encouraged them as it kept up "morale". Good morals are what children are taught, but the adult world has a lot of sinners whobdont know the law. "So I commended enjoyment, because a man has nothing better under the sun than to eat, drink, and be merry; for this will remain with him in his labor all the days of his life which God gives him under the sun." Ecclesiastes 8:15 The vainity of men who do not know the Lord. This is not a show that aims to critique the Christan faith. Its a show that is using images from they see as archetypical myth character, using what ever they think looks neat to tell a story about "sinners"
charlie isn't arogrant and entilied if she was she wouldn't had that dream in the first place its a selfless dream yes the way she goes about is selfish but not the dream itself and she was mad at vaggie for telling her yes she said thought vaggie thought she wouldn't understand but that's the main thing that made her mad and if you don't like the show then don't watch just listen to the songs and stop watching the rest of the show
No she is arrogant many times actually. Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character. She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself. That's why she tries to solve others problems before hers. It's obvious Charlie also never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend! She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna Vaggie deserves better in my opinion Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!? Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only! She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters. - Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view. - Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions. - Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard . - The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity. even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters. Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others. Charlie is also selfish It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression: ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down? Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants. She was so judging than understanding. they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals. - The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality. - But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste. - At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of. - Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!? She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are - The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves. - As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important. - She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them: Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds. -Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression. And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning. Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top. Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that. - Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it. - He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her. - Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little - She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining). Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line. She almost never apologized only some times but that's all And she is really hypocrite Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him! But what about Alastor?!! Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol. Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic! Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish
@@rachelgardnerray9977 my goodness your dumb. Charlie is a character who makes mistakes, she isn't acting maliciously. She isn't a role model, she is a flawed character as the story is a farce.
@@rachelgardnerray9977 her goal is selfless just the way she goes about is selfish not liking violence doesn't make her jujmental she didn't listen to vaggie because her dream was to reablite sinners so she let sir pentious if it was something actually serious she would have listened she has empathy she is just socially unaware and doesn't understand everything her empathy isn't superfical she just has blind spots with it she wants people to be redeemed that's the reason behind her goal otherwise she wouldn't have it after partially making up with her farther
@@rachelgardnerray9977 she didn't help her dad with her problems because she didn't know about them and because it's tied into her not wanting to fix her own problems
@@rachelgardnerray9977 alastor isn't a good person charlie is partailly aware of it sir pentious is that's why she only cried about him also none else cried about alastor either
Comming in alreay disagreeing with the whole statment. Your aprouch is wrong. This show isn't ruined, its about bad people, and Charlie is meant to be the good one yes. But that doesnt ruin the show it means you disagree with the main character and their flawed beliefs. That doesnt make a bad show, it make's a show you intellectually disagree with. And if thats not the point of this hour and 56 minute video, then you dont know how to analysis media. Your allowed to disagree with a show and its thesis. This show isn't Gospel nor is it trying to be. I'll be actually watching the video now, it looks like you worked really hard on it.
Oh my word girl, "this is waste of time and that is waste of time". That's nitpicking are you actually going to watch the show as it is? Its not "wating time" its having a good time. This not a story about plot its about characters. Do you know what a character driven story is? There what you might know to be fun and not serious.
You do know that character driven shows can still have plot right. This show isn’t a slice of life where there is no over arching plot but about the characters going through conflict of redemption and heaven being the antagonist pushing them down. That the entire premise and it completely falls at it to instead bloat the story with stuff that should have been cut and put into a side story or been the focus of season one and the heaven vs hell be in season two.
@@1001johnyIve only seen one of those shows and it is Billy and Mandy and that is a show that is self contained episodes of the daily lives of the characters. I don’t understand why you brought those shows up though because that is irrelevant to the fact that HH HAS an over arching plot that doesn’t do it well.
@@shadeofthenight8988 No HH has a premise and will end with a smaller amount of episodes than network shows. It's writing will be tighter so there will be obvious beginnings end endings based on season. But the point of the series isn't an overarching plot or story. It's the episodic character interactions that drive the story forward. Billy and Mandy was a huge inspiration on this series, the show's creator was in the pilot episode.
@@1001johny ”It's the episodic character interactions that drive the story forward.” So a character driven story with an over arching plot like I said it was.
Girl.... how old are you..... you sound like an 12 year old talking about morality. You dont even know how to articulate between being judgemental and being discerning. Charlie knows what sin is because her her dad knows what sin is, she wants them to be better so that they can go to heaven and not get killed. She also doesnt have any idea what that looks like, its why she asks the Angels what the rules even are. When the Angels dont know that makes it a huge problem for her, because now she doesn't know what to do. What is she going to do call their boss? She needed her dad to help her get to have an audience with heaven. She aint calling no one
The fact that you have to insult the original poster's voice before getting into your own point rather than just getting into it right from the start really shows how juvenile YOU are. Their voice is normal, and their critique of Charlie is fair enough considering how the show literally had to dumb the antagonists down just to make Charlie seem smarter. Like, the character in question-- Charlie is literally trying to rehabilitate life long drug addicts by using trust fall exercises. Come on, that's a little silly if not offensive and the narrative tries to sell you that it works and this life long crippling addict Angel, is almost clean within the 6 month period that the show runs for? Yeah, okay.
@@NoodleGuyZen I beg your pardon. I haven't insulted anyone. If you found my choice of words harsh, that doesn't make them an insult. I've been as harsh on Jazz as she herself was. If your offended by the show that's your problem and not the show's, and would suggest your not in a place of mind offer fair criticism.
@@1001johny 'I haven't insulted anyone!!' Also you mockingly: Girl.. How old are you.. You sound 12 talking about morality-- Really man? It may not be a direct insult, but definitely unneeded in your critique of their point, and it makes you look disingenuous when you say you haven't insulted anyone but you're clearly being unnecessarily nasty toward the OP. And yeah, actually, trying to heal a drug addict using juvenile kindergarten methods is a bad reflection of the show and it's borderline offensive. You can't just take everyone's critique and throw it back into their face as a "personal issue" when it's a very objective fact that this would not work, and that it is definitely stupid and downplaying addiction. (A real problem in real life by the way, that many families face and suffer from) Especially when the addiction is a cope used to handle the constant abuse/SA Angel is living through? The show wants to parade itself on rehabilitation as it's main themes, and morality as its main themes, but it clearly doesn't know what it's doing, and that's objectively clear in its treatment in its characters. Instead of in depth exploration of drug addiction and coping we get an instant rehabilitation off screen mind you, and the only thing we saw on screen was activities that would only be fit for a 9 year old summer camp. Yet I'm supposed to believe that this is my own personal issue and not a reflection of the show writer's incompetence?
"Not childlike its childish" yes thats what "bad" people are. It the point because the show wants to be narly. Have you wver seen the film Super Bad? I dont recommend it, bu that movie depicts what teenagers in real life are like, that is to say thats most of what real life is like. (I was homeschooled) That thing is crass children dont grow up into polite adults. They grow up into people who have to find time to be responsible and make crass jikes with their friends when they can spare a moment. Hazbin is a show written in part with those types of people in mind.
How about you make one comment instead of SPAMMING THE COMMENTS WITH YOUR LONG MESSAGES. how about you take them down and repost them as replies to one message so we can see other people's messages?
@1001johny If you wanted to respond to different parts of the video you shouldve added timestamps. As it stands currently it looks like you're purposefully spamming her comment section to the point of possible harassment.
@@tarabletv No I'm not purposely spamming and I don't need to use timestamps. I don't care if you think I should. I added quotes to the parts of the video I responded to as I was watching it, and had a lot to say in each of them, most of the time. It's being off the cuff. If you want to address the points then feel free.
@@1001johny How about yes? You can do as one comment here said and time stamp them, and put them in one comment, or as mentioned as comments here. What you are doing is spamming. None of them are marked. From how you talk you sound like a immature teen or younger which would slightly explain things
I'm guessing you weren't a fan of the show. Guessing you are one of the 20% from rotten tomatoes who didn't like it. Which is fine, but I think you should have named the video "why I don't like hazbin hotel and Charlie" to be less offensive. Like it or not, but people worked hard to make the whole thing happen and it became pretty successful. Both critically and financially. It's okay to not love something, but it's a whole other thing to say it's bad.
Just because somebody puts their hard work and dedication into something that was always going to be hot garbage doesn't make it somehow exempt from critique. Glorifying evil, giving literal demons redemption arcs is not beneficial to our society in any way. It reminds me of another TV series that I believe ended up being scrapped that had basically the same concept. Entertainment and media that cannot be criticized is not entertainment rather it is tyrannical propaganda. You can't change my mind on that.
What I'm trying to say is that it's okay to criticize, but as long as it's not trying to encourage bad things on purpose, I'd rather have the criticism be "I don't like" and not "it's bad" @@skeinofadifferentcolor2090. And it's not just the hard work I should have mentioned. Some creators see their creations as their own children and/or as an extension of themselves. And having that creation being called bad can make them feel unwelcomed, angry, sad, lonely and scared. And not everyone can/want to listen to criticism. Some just want to be understood and accepted for who they are.
I guess you didn't watch the video good enough. This is the only reason I can imagine to find out comment like "don't watch if you don't like". Hazbin Hotel have OBLIOUS flaws, they need to be rewritten to make a good show. If team still haven't noticed them -- well, it's time for them to open up their eyes. Show is obviosly bad in many ways. Storyline losing logic along the way, problems solving "just because", characters that aren't needed yet are taking a lot of screeentime -- on the surface. And like a cherry on top -- Charlie, the main hero, that even doesen't suit the world she was born and living in. She's pulling you out of immergion. Looking on her and her adventures, you don't see cruel hell residents and even angel's lies.The morals are blured. This is the REASON why author calls show bad. Proove they're wrong. Not because you liked show -- call me the REASON.
Maybe I'm just an optimist then @@tiv147. I just saw the show as a mere cartoon to engage with. I mean, it's a musical with characters that have personal dramas yet silly facial expressions, voices and traits. It's all for the "awww look how adorable/funny/sad it is" moments. I'm just someone who says "maybe they see something I don't". Plus, for some people (specifically Vivienne), their creations for them are like their own children/extensions of themselves critisms like this COULD make them feel rejected/sad/angry/scared.
@@shacharlem4424 summering: you nave no reason to say Jazz is wrong. You just watched the show through your fingers. And you're calling it "being optimistic". Vivienne should treat her "children" better for them to grow strong and nice. Unless she wants to create a stupid mess SHE of all people will regret the most. Don't interrupt her lerning process by trying to "be more gentle", she's not a five years old baby. Don't treat Vivienne like she treats Charlie -- it leads up to no good.
@@1001johny if the “game” is “story-crafting,” then media literacy is definitely an important tool for playing this game exceptionally. I haven’t watched Hazbin, so I can’t vouch for whether Jazz’s critiques are fully representative of the show’s content or not. You seem to state through your various comments that her critiques represent none of it, at least in terms of understanding what “works” or doesn’t “work.” My curiosity, as an outside observer, falls on these things: ) Is Charlie’s judgment of “good” people and “bad” people made on inconsistent or hypocritical standards? And is she ever properly called out for this, either by the characters around her or the consequences of the plot? ) Is Charlie intentionally portrayed as having any negative traits (truly negative, not just “she cares too much”) that cause genuine consequences in-universe, or are her mistakes swept under the rug with no lasting repercussions? ) Does the show contain conflicting moral messages- on one hand, the ‘virtue’ of being unapologetically “yourself,” and on the other hand the positive goal of “being better”- and view them objectively/with nuance, or simply support one or the other and swap stances when convenient? ) Is the Hazbin Hotel itself actually integral to the story, especially as a hotel? Or could the building have been excised from the story and nothing would have changed substantially in the plot? As it appears that you’re someone who is a fan of the show, I’m interested to see your evidence either for or against these points.
@@LetTalesBeTold She used Baseball to try and explain that the show gets Christianity wrong. The show isn't about Christianity, so I said she doesn't know how to to play.
@@1001johny Ah, my apologies! I misunderstood how you meant the comment. Again, I can’t speak personally for what the show does or doesn’t represent as a whole, but from the externals and the evidence given in this video, I would argue that the show is perhaps not “about” Christianity, in that it doesn’t focus on the real faith/real elements of it as its main plot, but it is “about” Christianity in that most of its core worldbuilding relies either upon a) Judeo-Christian (and probably a little bit of Gnostic) imagery/names/themes or b) the subversion/critique of said subjects. It would be hard to divorce names like Adam, Eve, Lilith, Lucifer; references to seraphim, Heaven, Hell, and the need for “redemption” or “salvation” with an importance put on sacrificing one’s life for others; and the intentional disdain cast upon things like abstinence before marriage or sobriety completely from their obvious Judeo-Christian influence. The whole premise “riffs” on Christianity in that sense, and the show wouldn’t be what it is without it. Do you feel this is a fair or unfair observation? And for what reasons?
@@LetTalesBeTold I appreciate your engagement. I have made a long series of comments all over this video because I feel Jazz dramatically missed the point of these series. I said in one of those comments that "this isn't meant to be a religious show. It's no more Christian than Dragonball or Bleach are Buddhist." Paraphrasing myself there. The show uses religious elements because they want to use the most obvious representatios of good and bad that they the writers know. Culturally that will be the religion of the land. The Christian elements are not meant to be taken seriously, at least not yet. But it's clear to me that they aren't trying to be theological overal. Calling this show a critique on Christianity is like thinking Deadpool is a criticism of Superman.
I think that's a really great point with how other cultures handle religion in their storytelling, but I disagree here. Christianity plays a very different role in Western culture, vivzie herself talked about having questions about her faith, and, in my opinion, the show had questions rather than just influence.
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I just wanted to say thank you for this channel,as a wannabe storyteller and screenwriter,this helped me (while cringing at the thought of the show)figure out what to do and what not to do when it comes to writing characters and stories
Hey, thanks for the encouragement! I'm always excited to see other storytellers and I hope that goes well for you!
Hazbin hotel should’ve been about rehab into a functional society. I view heaven like the wealthy town with good hospitals while hell is the crackhead town. Charlie was so insulting to Angel. You have a dr-g addict asking for help and u give trust fall exercise.
And on top of that she gave cherri money and told her to take Angel, the addict, to the club! How irresponsible!
Man that's beyond irresponsible!
Being late to school because you didn't get up on time is irresponsible....
What Charlie did was incredibly STUPID!
The main problem is that people who are trying to say everyone should be their own arbiter of their own morality and there is no objective truth but Christianity is bad because it's judgemental - still believe in objective and universal truths, use the moral categories of good and bad, and ultimately "their own" ideas are actually Christian ideas that have been part of culture and civilization they've inherited for so long they don't even realise are Christian.
One of these people once told me that they don’t believe in objective morality, but they will say things are right or wrong to them. Therefore, if someone did something evil to their subjective opinion, they will call them out or fight them if necessary.
No Christian took all ready common good and bad beliefs
@@tfordham13 there certainly was philosophy and morality before Christians and parallel to Israelite culture. But it really didn't look much like our modern ideas.
@@Cationna it kinda does
@@tfordham13You dont know your history well enough if you think that. Not Christian history mind you, world history.
How does Lucifer give her free will by giving Eve the fruit? If he gives her free will through the fruit, then that means she doesn't have the free will to eat the fruit to begin with, so how does she even eat it? Was she force-fed? Doesn't sound like he's giving her much free will in making that decision.
That's what I'm saying!
Hope you get more subs soon. I agree that the show, for all its good animation and music, has huge writing problems.
Hazbin and Helluva Boss both have Viv in control and her awful writing tarnished Hazbin Hotel, she said she valued good faith criticism but she wrote early episodes of Hazbin, Adam is how he is, the terrible logic and so on because of her and skip to Full Moon and it still is awful, she then says Stolas is in wrong too but we get Apology Tour and no Merch that Blitz has that truly shows they're equally in wrong & Blitz gets turned into a villainous individual that "proves" Stolas is better, you can say that Viv didnt write all of it but that doesnt change the fact she greenlit this stuff, she willingly chose to keep everything as is and there's more than just what I mentioned that shows Viv is the problem, the more she gets to stay, write and have control, the more this stuff is going to stay.
For me, the moral grey area in the concept of hell has never been whether or not people who've done horrific crimes deserve to be punished for it. It's the unilateral application of eternal damnation as a punishment for everyone regardless of the severity of the crime. Everybody knows sex traffickers are bad people who probably should go to hell, but is the lesbian couple next door _really_ equally guilty? If the story was meant to explore the concept of moral gray areas it shouldn't have focused on extreme cases and instead focused on the everyday people who get marginalized by Christianity and it's effects on social politics. That would certainly justify the idea that heaven is too judgemental. By focusing on Charlie trying to "redeem sinners" it's only further reinforcing the social constructs it's aiming to deconstruct. She's also unilaterally applying her morals to all sinners which paints them all in the same light despite the fact that there is a difference.
Unless the idea is that Charlie's ambitions are meant to be a parody of Christ, but given the show seems to be unwilling to challenge her mindset, I'm not too sure that was the intent.
Aside from the dilemma that the Christian community has had for ages over deciding which parts of the language around hell are literal and which are metaphorical, one interesting thing I can note is that Jesus directly addressed this grey area of punishment versus crime. In the book of Luke, chapter 12, Jesus uses a parable (stories often using similes to parallel real truths) about a man’s household of servants. A servant who abuses his fellow workers is given capital punishment; another servant who abuses no one but knowingly defies instructions receives many lashings; and a servant who did not know precisely what he was assigned to do, but did inappropriate things regardless, receives very few lashings. This is presumably where many Christians derive the idea of “circles” or “layers” of hell. So whatever a sexually promiscuous but otherwise decent person faces in hell (which, in fact, is NOT because of their sexual immorality, but rather for not seeking relationship with the Messiah, their Creator), is never going to reach the levels of absolute punishment for those who do evil deeds toward others.
p.s. Edgeworth pfp is a chad move, much respect
@@marche800 That is a completely fair question to ask about hell. And, in short, my answer would be that the idea of everyone receiving equal punishment simply is a false assumption and not what the Bible teaches.
Let me back up that claim. For example, in Matthew 10:15, Jesus says “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment, than for that city.” In John 19:11 he says “…the one who handed Me over to you has the greater sin.” We can also look at the old Testament. Proverbs 6:16 says “There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him….” And we can go back further to the Torah like Numbers 15:22-30 which lays out what to do in cases of unintentional sins vs. intentional ones.
Throughout the Bible, there are distinctions made between different sins. They are not all treated equally. They do not all receive equal judgment, as Jesus explains himself.
The word “sin” really just means a crime as defined by God rather than by a government authority. The fact that a number of actions are legally put under the category of “crime”, does not mean they are all equal. Many people might “go to jail”, but they will not have the same experience even if in the same place. Some might go to solitary confinement, for example, and not everyone will have to serve the same sentence. In a similar way, all sins are worthy of “going to hell”, but there’s no reason to assume that everyone has the same experience there or even that it’s static (unchanging).
Hope this explanation makes sense. Feel free to ask follow-up questions! Have a good one
@@marche800 The problem that i with hell is the Hazbin universe is that hell isn't a punishment, there's no flame, lashings or anything of the sort, it's just a place where bad people go to and that's it, nothing about the place in itself is really bad
I have been to old for this cartoon even back when it was first on UA-cam. So I had literally only watched the pilot once. But it didn't hit me back then that the Lesbian couples names are Charlie and Vaggie. A gender neutral but masculine leaning name. And one that sounds like female genitalia. This would have been clever. In the late 80s. Now it is like a brick to the face.
Also I judge "to old" not by age specifically. But instead by if the thing I am experiencing is new enough to me to be interesting. This show would have being interesting to me in 2012 and down right original to me in 2008. But I had seen or thought of things like this long before 2019.
I would say that doesn't mean you are too old, just you are very aware and the thing doesn't bring something new. When it comes to shows, you are almost never too old for it. I think it is more wisdom and possibly change of taste.
But yeah there is no subtly here for the imagination.
The reason she’s named vaggie is actually bc she was an angel (suprised) named by THE Adam himself. In the show he’s a womanizing POS. Hope that clears it up
Speaking as someone who was following the original pilot back when we all thought she'd be doing a "Dante's Inferno meets Black Butler" kind of story about the meaning of morality, the writing changes from pilot to tv show were expected, but man did it sting that she didn't go with her original story concepts...
She doesn’t understand morality. She wants to tell a story of how hypocritical heaven is without understanding the concept of good and evil. From the looks of it she has the pre school thinking. There is a difference between being “nice” and being good/holy.
Yeah, I also wished it was kept simple like in the pilot:
Charlie and friends helped bad but not utterly irredeemable people and people who are misguided yet not unfixable and/or couldn’t redeem themselves when they wanted to in life, genuinely trying to help them in not only wanting to become better for the sake of it but also so that they don’t suffer for all of eternity in Hell.
Also, Purgatory should’ve been introduced properly.
@@DanialTarkithat's the thing, I asked about it and apparently everyone and Viz said it doesn't exist because then hazbin would be redundant from my understanding. Which is funny as freak.
@@MrSophireI agree.
Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character too
Charlie never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter
Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her
but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend!
She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character
She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie
When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster
Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie
She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all
she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced
It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna
Vaggie deserves better in my opinion
Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic
She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!?
Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but
Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only!
She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant
and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin
Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on
And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character
she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters.
- Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view.
- Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions.
- Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard .
- The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity.
even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters.
Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others.
Charlie is also selfish
It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression:
ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down?
Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants.
She was so judging than understanding.
they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals.
- The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality.
- But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste.
- At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of.
- Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation
she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!?
She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are
- The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves.
- As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important.
- She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them:
Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals
would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds.
-Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression.
And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning.
Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top.
Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that.
- Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it.
- He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her.
- Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little
- She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining).
Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line.
She almost never apologized only some times but that's all
And she is really hypocrite
Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died
Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad
But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him!
But what about Alastor?!!
Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol.
Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor
Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic!
She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that
She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself
Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish
@@rachelgardnerray9977 lo de Alastor me pegó profundo, más sabiendo la parte en la que canta solo en su torre dd radio destruida y teniendo un colapso mental mientras el resto canta feliz y ni se preocupan de que haya pasado con él
This is a channel that deserves to blow up. I mean, two videos with such high (deserved) engagement, such top-tier editing, the lore of your personas, and the interactivity? UA-cam partner material, right here.
If it's okay, can I share the channel? I have a Fandom account, and think you guys deserve more attention
Wow, thanks! To break character for a moment, yeah sure, I'd appreciate you sharing the channel!
Star isn't inspiring, she's basically Hitler. She committed a genocide against magical creatures and most likely lead to massive human death when she violated earth so she could date her high school crush. She's the most selfish animated character of all time.
Yeah, hard to process any justification for that. Star sure didn't think it through
Exactly
@@kylethomas9130Well Charlie from hazbin isn't better.
Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character too.
Charlie never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter
Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her
but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend!
She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character
She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie
When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster
Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie
She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all
she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced
It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna
Vaggie deserves better in my opinion
Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic
She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!?
Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but
Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only!
She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant
and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin
Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on
And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character
she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters.
- Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view.
- Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions.
- Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard .
- The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity.
even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters.
Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others.
Charlie is also selfish
It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression:
ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down?
Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants.
She was so judging than understanding.
they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals.
- The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality.
- But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste.
- At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of.
- Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation
she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!?
She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are
- The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves.
- As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important.
- She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them:
Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals
would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds.
-Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression.
And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning.
Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top.
Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that.
- Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it.
- He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her.
- Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little
- She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining).
Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line.
She almost never apologized only some times but that's all
And she is really hypocrite
Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died
Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad
But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him!
But what about Alastor?!!
Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol.
Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor
Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic!
She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that
She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself
Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish.
What do you mean genocide isn't inspirational?
@@rachelgardnerray9977 nobody cares you don't know anything about Charlie's character you are just a meat rider for the UA-camr
If you ask me this show was effectively copying Disgaea with a western paintjob and extremely inventive character designs that are wasted on this.
1:48:32 THANK YOU! SOMEBODY FINALLY GETS IT!
Listen... I think the phrase "She cooked" should be for videos like yours! Because you didn't just cook, you sauteed, you grilled, you fried, you just ... You did it!! Great video! I love long form content, so I spent two hours writing notes on the original mythology I'm working on whilst listening to your video, and it really helped me focus!!
Keep it up! I love your videos and your personality, and the way you deliver your views!! Very well done!!
All that cooking talk has me really hungry now 😆 have fun with your mythology!
@@jazzandghostOh and I also agree with your point on villains!
Villains doing partially the right thing OR having a good/understandable motive makes a good villain.
My FAVORITE example of a good villain with understandable and maybe even the right motives is Magneto!!!
What he does is terrible for sure, BUT his motives for doing so isn't!
Magneto was a victim of the Holocaust, Lost his parents and sister to Nazis, lost his daughter to cruel men and his wife to fear.... in his eye he's seen the worst humanity has to offer, they can and sometimes do, eradicate what they don't like or what they fear.... Ok short: HUMANS ARE CRUEL. And he kept this view as he grew up- he thought that humans would destroy mutants, kill them... "Take the to the gas chambers" so to speak, and to protect mutants and ensure they don't get wiped out by 'inferior' humans, he thinks they should rise above humans and rule over them... and view humans as inferior... Or kill them all first.
Magneto has done some horrid crap, but you can see why!!!
Magneto wants liberation through violence..... He has an ANY MEANS necessary approach!
That's why Xavier and the X-Men are perfect adversaries, Xavier strives for equality between the humans and mutants alike and strives for PEACE not violence!
That's why Magneto is a good villain! He's so complex, seriously!
A less complex version of this would be MCU's Ultron. He saw a glimpse of the world wide web and thought
"All humans must die!!!"
To be fair, if my first interaction with humanity was the Internet... I'd want them all dead too!!
So yeah, villains shouldn't be just simplistic, EVER!! Even seemingly simple villains are complex and much deeper- that's why we love them!!
People can like simple villains sure, but the complex ones with story and crap- they get ALL the love!!!
Sorry I went on a tangent there.... Sorry I made you hungry, thanks for wishing me luck on my mythology, I'll need it... And prayer 😊!!!
17:39 MONKEE
Charlie does do wrong things. She gets Angel Dust in a lot of trouble for one thing.
I agree! Finally someone who doesn't protect Charlie blindy.
Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character too.
Charlie never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter
Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her
but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend!
She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character
She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie
When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster
Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie
She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all
she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced
It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna
Vaggie deserves better in my opinion
Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic
She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!?
Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but
Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only!
She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant
and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin
Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on
And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character
she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters.
- Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view.
- Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions.
- Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard .
- The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity.
even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters.
Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others.
Charlie is also selfish
It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression:
ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down?
Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants.
She was so judging than understanding.
they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals.
- The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality.
- But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste.
- At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of.
- Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation
she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!?
She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are
- The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves.
- As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important.
- She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them:
Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals
would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds.
-Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression.
And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning.
Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top.
Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that.
- Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it.
- He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her.
- Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little
- She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining).
Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line.
She almost never apologized only some times but that's all
And she is really hypocrite.
Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died
Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad
But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him!
But what about Alastor?!!
Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol.
Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor
Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic!
She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that
She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself
Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish
@@rachelgardnerray9977LET EM COOK👏🔥🔥🗣️
I believe Charlie is a good person with good intentions but that like everyone else at the hotel, she has a lot of growing, self-reflection, and redemption to be done.
The important part is wanting to be better.
If she's hurt someone, it starts with sorry.
Yes I’ve said it before Charlie is a bad mc
Loved your breakdown especially all the Rise of Tmnt clips you used. It warmed my turtle loving soul 🥹
So nice to find another rise fan! so many people hate on that show :( it's not bad, it's just different
@@jazzandghost yeah I was on the hate wagon at first but decided to give it a shot once the film came out and I felt so bad I didn’t give it a shot while it was airing. Now it’s tied with being one of my favorites series with 2012 show. Hopefully they will give it a revival
Hate the show so glad this got in my recommendations
Every single piece of this show’s presentation turned me off. I could also guess the entire premise within four minutes of exposure to it so I didn’t feel the need to watch the rest when I realised that my guess was accurate.
Literally the first minute of the show threw me off completely then i watched the entire show and it sucked
1:50 -2:00 That description of Charlie sounds very familiar for some reason. Almost like she's an author's surrogate without a single bit of self-awareness or irony.
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WHHaaaT??
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Whatever are you talking about??🤨
I only disagree with Star being an inspiring protagonist. She genocided every single being in the universe who's made up of magic. Star's done a crime worse than the majority of the Hazbin characters and it's painted as a good, noble thing by the narrative, ugh.
The finale of svtfoe was an absolute mess. As was Star in that last season. But I do blame the writers, rather than Star, for that. That's not the character they set up or wrote her as in the previous seasons.
@@jazzandghost fair enough
Loser is not about being terrible.It's about suffering, Angel was abused by Valentino, his soul owned by him. When he returned back to the hotel, he puts on a mask, covering who he really is. Husk was saying, don't think your the ownly one, there are others like you and they completely understand.
“There’s a lot of feminist and not-straight people in hell, what are you trying to say with that?”
Got em 😂
This was a really well put together video essay! I can’t wait to see what else you make in the future! ❤🙏
Thank you!
A shame that a show with fluid 2d animation and a cast that is frankly STACKED with Broadway voice talent boils down to: heaven bad, hell is just full of poor little meow-meows
I actually disagree about the animation after staring at these clips for so long. I think vivzie is a fantastic animator! And her other work is so dynamic and full of life! But HH was honestly pretty flat in comparison.
@@melonyrobinson9944 it really feels like Vivzie is afraid of having her characters be bad people, just look at Charlie, she is always portrayed as this perfect little creature UWU, which is why I prefer Adam so much, he is just fun
Remember when people thought the Angels where actually going to be cool and mysterious characters whose goals where not clear?
Hehe... yeah
Viziepop is a designer, she is an artist, a song-maker, a conceptualizer, but above all else, she is not a writer.
She just isn't, and she weighs down the show by forcing herself to be it's writer.
1:24:11 For Thor, it’s intentionally made that way because his friends are enablers and are just as arrogant as he is. Thor is a spoiled person, never held accountable for his actions, and no one has given him no as an answer. Him being banished was the only time he was actually facing consequences for something he did. The only person who sees Thor in the wrong for acting this way is the antagonist of this story, Loki. He sees Thor as an unworthy heir of the throne and thinks that he can be a much better King than Thor ever will be. Which is the reason why he schemes and betrays Asgard. He did manage to succeed but only for short time; since Thor had gone through a whole character arc and defeated him.
I wish they'd showed Eve. Could've done something interesting regarding hypocrisy and rigidness in the rules if Eve is in Hell and Adam is in Heaven.
Here for your friendly local algorithm bump comment. 😁 I don’t have much to say on Hazbin because I’m thoroughly outside of the target demographic, so anything I would say would probably bleed too much into my feelings against tropes like “woaahhh the ‘gOoD GuYs’ are actually EVIL!” and my wish that people would understand how the “Precision F-Bomb” trope works and incessant, empty cussing does not. But I definitely enjoyed the essay, Captain! 🫡
Thanks for the comment 😊
Love the ending of the video. Thank you. That’s what really annoyed me about the show.
I’ve been looking forward to your next upload!! So hyped to watch this!
Ah yes, my favorite Bible verse: “to live is canabalism”
Since AOT season 4 was brought up and I have very strong feelings about it I'm going to comment about it even though it has nothing to do with the main topic of this video. Just take it as a comment for the algorithm.
Spoilers, I guess:
I despised season 4 of AOT for a bunch of reasons but all of them stem from one cause: Eren.
A lot of people didn't like Eren throughout the rest of the series and only liked him in season 4, or at least that's from what I've seen; I'm the complete opposite. It seems like a lot of people thought Eren was a whiny, annoying little wuss that was just loud and angry all the time. To me, that's an incredibly surface-level evaluation of him, and I actually find him to be very relatable and even compelling. He was an emotional child who had a very strong sense of what he thought is right and wrong and had very good reason to be angry all the time (his mother was eaten in front of his eyes and he wasn't able to do anything about it). Although he was hot-headed, brash, and impulsive, he was still trying to be a good person and protect people by literally killing the ultimate enemy (at the time) that just so happened to also kill his mother, fueling his hatred for the titans. A lot of times, when I was watching Eren, everything he did was something I agreed with or would've done myself if I were in that situation or even when he made mistakes I still found them understandable.
I absolutely loved AOT and it was my absolute favorite series of all-time (except for Avatar: The Last Airbender because that is a childhood classic that holds incredible meaning to me) before I discovered Berserk and season 4 came out. The final charge of the Scouts in season 3 part 2 was personally my favorite scene in all of media and I was so in the moment I actually almost cried just from how moving it was. After season 3 part 2 ended, I thought it was the perfect finale for a season and it honestly could've ended there and I would've been happy, albeit still craving to see what more there was to the story.
The Eren I came to relate to so closely and the characters I came to love and care about so deeply were absolutely butchered in more ways than one in season 4. I'm not a fan of time-skips unless it's during a time where it's basically the same thing happening throughout the time that's being skipped, so the start already wasn't feeling too right to me. After learning about just how many important and crucial things that happened off-screen, I actively came to dislike it because those were all things we should've seen happen on-screen. Come time to find out what Eren's like now and he's completely different, and not in a good way.
Eren started as a hot-headed but passionate, caring, and just child, and even as he grew increasingly more jaded over the years of experience he had, he still maintained his righteous ideals and continued to care just as much for those important to him. In season 4, Eren's an absolute uncaring asshole for no reason at the beginning, and as time goes on and he explains his reasoning, it gets even worse. Essentially Eren becomes Titan-Hitler if Hitler were also trying to euthanize the Arian race to prevent them from living a life of suffering. He decides for everyone he cares about on their behalf that it is for their own good that he intrudes on their free will and completely strips them of the possibility of experiencing the joys of parenting (I know parenting can suck, but just because it can suck does not mean it cannot also be joyous) and every possible future Eldian the chance of living a fulfilling life or at least one that they could be happy with. It is the most Bass-ackwards (not a typo) mentality that is a total flip of his morals, ideals, and goals in a way that could very well be considered as character assassination.
So now arguably the main character of the show and also the driving force of the plot is headed in this completely awful direction due to sheer stupidity and, in my opinion, contrivance. Oh yeah, the logic behind Eren's morals and goals also has more holes than all the sponges of a coral reef and is more flawed than America's justice system. The sheer amount of frustration I feel towards how much of an utter buffoon Eren becomes brings out very colorful language from me that may or may not be acceptable in this comment section, so I'll refrain from going into detail with that. The reveal that Eren has also always known the future since he was injected and has always wanted things to turn out the way they have so far also not only evokes the exact same feelings in me, if not to an even higher degree, but is also so clearly just the writer hastily trying to make things seem connected and justified the way they are, even though the Eren from the first 3 seasons and the Eren from season 4 would actually try to kill each other.
The entirety of the final arc of the series was very plainly awful character-wise, and it was quite obvious that the writer was playing into fan-fiction with the Eren spiel about Mikasa and that he was trying to finish the series as quickly as he could while still shoe-horning in the message "war bad" at the ending. Also the ending scenes where Mikasa kisses Eren's severed head is absolutely disgusting, and it's made worse by the fact that this is the very thing that shows Ymir the error in her ways even though supposedly she can see all throughout time at all times so shouldn't she have been able to know that this would happen in the first place anyways completely negating her reasoning for making all past events happen in the first place?? Lastly, the relationship Mikasa ends up with Jean in that's supposed to feel good feels really bitter and almost cruel, especially considering the feelings that both Eren and Mikasa were finally honest about right at the moment where it wouldn't mean anything anyways because one of them is literally dead in the scene right before.
Yes, I did just spend over an hour writing a whole essay about why I dislike season 4 of AOT and not even get into many specifics as to why in the comment section of a video about Hazbin Hotel, but I only did it because AOT meant so much to me only for it to be absolutely ruined in my eyes during the last season and that very thing that I feel so strongly about was brought up in the video.
If you want a shorter comment from me, I also wrote one about Lucifer giving Eve free will not making sense.
I didnt keep up much but wouldn't the marks on his cheeks represent corruption and he's been swallowed by the power? I mean when he tapped into the power to fight Annie and forget his humanity, we see he becomes someone entirely different and so I feel it is fitting that this new Eren is because of that corruption.
@@artistanthony1007 Unfortunately, the explanation given (at least in the Manga) is that the Attack Titan has the ability to see all points of time it has experienced and would experience, including things that happen in the future. This means that when Eren was injected with the power of the Attack Titan when he was really really young, apparently he saw everything that would play out through the series happen. If this makes you wonder how that makes any sense at all, don't come to me for answers because I also think it is profoundly stupid.
As bad as the show may be, you can't deny that "Loser, Baby" absolutely hits. It's Keith David that does it for me
makes sense as he is the voice of Dr. Faclier who does have one of the best villain songs ever
Boy are you in for a surprise at 35:50 😆
@@jazzandghost I can understand your opinion, but I respectfully disagree. I get why though
I don't think the song is bad musically or anything, just personally I don't care for songs that sound like that and I found it really annoying 😆
@@jazzandghost You mean songs that sound musical theatre-y?
Nigel and Marmelade is Golden!!
And i do love Sam and Max... I love the exaggerated Good cop Bad Cop they exhibit!!
(I love Max because hes a total menace, and Sam is just a total dad.... Well, sometimes.... Hes a menance too.... But LESS so than Max, y'know?)
Also I have something to say about the humor, Vivzie justified the humor saying she had watched South Park.
But the thing is, in South Park there's a reason for the vulgarity.... I think the creators mentioned this, but I've heard fans of the show say this...
The reason why the main characters swear, is because.... These are like fourth graders, their parents aren't around... So of course, they will swear (not all fourth graders act bad when the parents aren't present, but enough do...)
So even though there's foul language, there is a good reason for it... The swears aren't the joke, the characters being kids acting like this, talking like that is the joke!
Or maybe I'm wrong.... 😐
Also your segment on Naruto was awesome!!!
Naruto is near and dear to me as it's the first anime I finished to completion- and I love Naruto's character! He worked hard and earned that position of Hokage (I know Boruto exist but I won't consider it canon in my eyes... 😢.)
Yes 10,000 years. Its an actual Robin Williams Genie refrence. Lucy's song against Alastor is full of Genie references. Genies or Djinns are demons cast out of heaven in Islamic myths.
A critique if i may: try not using so many reference clips. I know you're trying to add a bit of flare/comedy by using them, but using to many can distract viewers from your talking points. They can get annoying.
Totally fair criticism, I appreciate that. But I like them, and so does Ghost.
1:50:42 WHOAAA HSR REFERENCE???
I know it wasnt entirely positive, but still cool that an underrated youtuber I enjoy watching also plays it
It's a beautiful game! I LOVE the aesthetic, and I know hoyo can write better than this
Nah dwag if you think star is inspiring than you just wrong
Emily is insufferable. I love content where she falls I call it 'Emily Splat'.
33:07 She should also rebel against her own father, mirroring his rebellion against God.
"Larry, what are you doing?" Lol that was pretty good
I agree”just…….watching a little TV,Bob”
No Charlie doesnt want to leave, she doesn't want her people slaughtered. She eants them to go to heaven because she thinks if going to heaven or hell is a given and the angels kill you if youre in hell then if they could just be able to go to heaven then they would have to die. She like one of those "spiritual" people who are aware of God but think if they temselves are so bad why should God have a problem with them. Charlie is ironically in Hell already and its princess. The reason for that is because IT'S FUNNY. That is to to say ironic and very much in the extreme, thats what makes it humorous.
Also people can't change like Pentious. That is to say Charlie doesn't know for sure that they can, it what she is trying to prove can happen. You'll notice that the Angels didn't know it could happen either.
Charlie isn't better.
Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character too.
Charlie never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter
Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her
but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend!
She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character
She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie
When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster
Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie
She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all
she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced
It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna
Vaggie deserves better in my opinion
Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic
She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!?
Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but
Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only!
She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant
and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin
Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on
And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character
she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters.
- Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view.
- Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions.
- Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard .
- The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity.
even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters.
Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others.
Charlie is also selfish
It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression:
ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down?
Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants.
She was so judging than understanding.
they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals.
- The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality.
- But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste.
- At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of.
- Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation
she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!?
She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are
- The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves.
- As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important.
- She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them:
Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals
would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds.
-Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression.
And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning.
Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top.
Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that.
- Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it.
- He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her.
- Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little
- She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining).
Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line.
She almost never apologized only some times but that's all
And she is really hypocrite
Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died
Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad
But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him!
But what about Alastor?!!
Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol.
Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor
Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic!
She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that
She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself
Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish
@@rachelgardnerray9977 She is better.
No she isn't a judging selfish hypocrite character.
She does listen to Vaggie though only a couple times did that not happen, no it happened more then twice and that isn't all and she isn't a bad girlfriend to Vaggie at all and she isn't a bad supporter either.
Well yeah but Vaggie hid that truth to her for years when it's a huge deal Charlie had every right to be upset and Vaggie being worried isn't an excuse to lie about something like that she should have known better really.
No Charlie tried to understand Vaggie, and well when Vaggie hides that from her for years yeah that kind of does feel like betrayal in a way.
No she DID give Vaggie space to let her explain it but Vaggie just didn't explain it. It wasn't out of character at all again Charlie being upset makes perfect sense.
No she didn't treat Vaggie as some kind of monster now you are just lying about Charlie really, she didn't act like Vaggie was worse than all sinners, Charlie wasn't really being cold at Vaggie.
No she didn't act like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster but considering what Vaggie didn't tell her before she had every right to say that.
No it's also cuz of Charlie and Vaggie themselves in the end really and nah how she acted with Vaggie was fair really.
Well that's because she didn't usually see others disrespect Vaggie to be fair aside from like once or twice and one of those times was when Lute disrespected Vaggie which Charlie was too busy at the moment to deal with that which was fair really.
No she doesn't force Vaggie into doing something she doesn't wanna do she just convinces Vaggie to do it really, yeah true but she still does agree in the end really and no Vaggie didn't sound like she was being forced she just sounded annoyed by the idea of doing it is all but she wasn't being forced.
No wrong she never took advantage of Vaggie to do something that she wanted she just asked for her help really.
Nah they deserve each other really.
No she isn't the worst person character at all and that isn't facts that is just wrong really, except no Chaggie isn't toxic.
Nah that was not her fault he should have known that of course he matters, she didn't tell him that he didn't matter or anything.
Yeah he did wanna redeem himself but that doesn't make what Charlie said bad at all really.
No Sir Pentious did eventually wanna redeem himself after he actually agreed to stay at the hotel.
No she did understand and respect Angel's discomfort but she clearly messed up there unintentionally and the hotel isn't idiotic. No she wasn't arrogant she just made a mistake is all but that doesn't mean she was arrogant.
I mean no she makes mistakes but she isn't actually stupid she is just a bit naive is all and talking about Hazbin is fine and that wasn't a stupid mistake on her part.
No she was gonna apologize even if Angel didn't scream at her though. No it isn't like with kids as Charlie clearly isn't a kid or is like one.
Nah she isn't a toxic character.
No she doesn't have trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters like she does clearly get those things.
-Except no she self reflects and changes and improves as a person and becomes better at leading for example like in episode 7 so no self reflection isn't missing, and no she perceives all views not just her own and her view isn't one sided either.
-No her empathy is genuine not superficial, no she does understand deeper human emotions and she experiences them herself.
- No social interactions aren't difficult for her but she does mess up at times, no she does take a regard a lot really.
-no the world isn't divided into black and white, there is complexity and Charlie knows that.
No she doesn't have trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other chara
No her feeling the empathy and pain of others isn't superficial at all it's genuine and her being focused on her goal is fine and she isn't just focused on herself either. No she focused on how others feel too.
No she isn't presented with a selfish desire as her desire is to help people out and have them improve as people which isn't selfish at all and she wants to pursue her dream but not at any cost as she isn't selfish like that and no she does understand the needs of others clearly it's why she helps out the way that she does.
No Charlie isn't selfish.
That wasn't selfish of her to do that she just wanted them to calm down as she wants them to improve in some way at least for their own good so that wasn't selfish really even if her expression was judgemental.
She knows she can't control their thinking but she doesn't want to do that and she was just suggesting that they tone it down which is fine really.
No she wasn't that judging really and she understood enough.
No Charlie doesn't sound stupid and no she didn't sound like she didn't know they were cannibals she clearly knew that but she did want them to change and improve still.
-Yeah which Charlie would want them to maybe tone that down and to slowly get better as people....like that isn't at all a bad thing.
-No she didn't want to dictate them how to limit their speech according to her taste she just suggested (not fucking dictate you disingenuous liar) that they take it down a notch and she was trying to slowly get them to improve as people and get better really.
-No she did understand that for them she just wanted them to improve though, yes she knows that but that doesn't mean that they can't slowly improve and get better as people.
-No her rebuke didn't seem arrogant and she did understand the situation
No she isn't selfish.
No she isn't selfish, no she doesn't make others feel not important that isn't true and no Angel not feeling important isn't on her, same with Vaggie and Lucifer that was their own problems not caused by Charlie at all.
No she does listen to what others want and and their needs they have, she just wants them to improve really.
-No it does include her further actions and behavior why wouldn't it? And the way she behaves is just fine really nothing wrong with it.
-Except you are wrong she does listen to the need of others and she doesn't make them less important.
-No she does understand their situation but she also knows that they need to be better too, yeah Charlie judged them but that is fair as they are still sinners and they could slowly improve as people really.
No it didn't sound like she didn't know they were cannibals she clearly knew that, yes she realized that clearly cannibals would be murderous like that but that doesn't mean that she can't get them to slowly change though. (no that wasn't that judgemental of her she was being fair really and it wasn't toxic or selfish of her either) no she didn't want to direct them to suit her taste she just wanted them to improve as people is all and yeah clearly she cannot control their behaviors or minds she knows that.
-She did give a chance to Adam but Adam wouldn't listen to her even when she was giving him a chance so she had to act in self defense and it's not like she ordered NIfty to stab him or anything it just happened, and she did give Lucifer a chance from the beginning she just wasn't sure if she should actually call him herself or not after he didn't talk to her for a pretty long time at that point but she still was willing to give him a chance she just was unsure about actually initiating it herself is all. Which is fair for her to think that when Lucifer separated from her years ago and never really called or talked to her in a long while.
@@rachelgardnerray9977 Considering his actions her judging him is fair really and she didn't say any nonsense, (well yeah that is a good point as Alastor supported her but her own dad didn't) no that wasn't toxic selfish judgement from her it was fair judgemet really, no she did give him chance but he wasn't living up to it really.
No they weren't unempathetic or over the top they were fair and reasonable really.
She did know his true motives though, no she did have a right to judge and compare him like that with how he was acting and behaving really.
-No she knew that of course her dad wanted to protect her but that doesn't mean that all he did was right though.
-Yeah no it clearly wasn't too psychologically taxing to help her especially when he was happy just to see her after going for years ignoring her and not coming to see her or anything, and with that being the case then clearly he would want to be with her and it makes him happy so his problems and depression wouldn't affect him choosing to help her and if anything him helping her would make him less depressed really.
-No she did notice that but Alastor can still and did end up manipulating her and it made her think that maybe his intention wasn't all selfish.
-No she did take into account her father's emotional state and problems but she also could see his flaws too, no she isn't only focused on her goals she focuses on others too. (no she always gave a chance to him, she judged him but again that's fair given the context and no she did give him a chance at the beginning when she decided to call him in the first place).
No her words weren't inappropriate and she doesn't have a lack of empathy towards her own family. No it wasn't over the line or out of line at all.
Well then you are wrong she DID apologize at times and yeah that's all but that's all she had to apologize for really and even then she apologized for some things she really didn't have to apologize for either.
Considering his actions her judging him is fair really and she didn't say any nonsense, (well yeah that is a good point as Alastor supported her but her own dad didn't) no that wasn't toxic selfish judgement from her it was fair judgemet really, no she did give him chance but he wasn't living up to it really.
No they weren't unempathetic or over the top they were fair and reasonable really.
She did know his true motives though, no she did have a right to judge and compare him like that with how he was acting and behaving really.
-No she knew that of course her dad wanted to protect her but that doesn't mean that all he did was right though.
-Yeah no it clearly wasn't too psychologically taxing to help her especially when he was happy just to see her after going for years ignoring her and not coming to see her or anything, and with that being the case then clearly he would want to be with her and it makes him happy so his problems and depression wouldn't affect him choosing to help her and if anything him helping her would make him less depressed really.
-No she did notice that but Alastor can still and did end up manipulating her and it made her think that maybe his intention wasn't all selfish.
-No she did take into account her father's emotional state and problems but she also could see his flaws too, no she isn't only focused on her goals she focuses on others too. (no she always gave a chance to him, she judged him but again that's fair given the context and no she did give him a chance at the beginning when she decided to call him in the first place).
No her words weren't inappropriate and she doesn't have a lack of empathy towards her own family. No it wasn't over the line or out of line at all.
Well then you are wrong she DID apologize at times and yeah that's all but that's all she had to apologize for really and even then she apologized for some things she really didn't have to apologize for either.
No she really isn't a hypocrite.
Well she wasn't super close to Alastor to be fair and she didn't know a lot about him either and she was busy already too so she couldn't afford to cry any more at that moment.
Well yeah they at least know that Pentious died unlike Alastor and he was pretty nice and they knew a lot about him unlike Alastor and they didn't have enough time to mourn them both a lot when they were pretty busy as is and when they weren't even sure if Alastor was really dead or not.
Alastor wasn't forgotten but again Charlie was already busy and they didn't really know if he was dead or not.
Yeah but she also didn't know if he was dead or not it's fine really.
Nah she is empathetic and her not crying about someone she didn't know a lot about and who she wasn't even sure if he was dead or not doesn't mean she isn't empathetic.
Nope it's genuine empathy really.
Nope wrong she wants to help others to make their lives better and to genuinely help them out not cause she needs to or has to in order to feel better about herself that isn't it at all.
No she isn't a hypocrite. Nope she isn't toxic judging or selfish.
@@rachelgardnerray9977 You don't listen, I didn't call her better. Jazz didn't understand her character motivation.
"Charlie and Vaggie are disguted which is suprising" If your not going to to pay attention because your trying to hard to nitpick, a false critical tool, Then you're not doing a good job at all at reviewing this show. Please tell me (im going to watch till the end so ill see) you are acting for the sake of the season reveal. Because if not you're acting like a huge waste of time yourself, in that since you made a two hour video about something you dont like and aren't trying understand. Im not trying to say this is a master piece or my favorite show. But what it is not poorly written or confused about what its doing.
When making a comment like this it's good form to post the time stamp of the quote you are referencing for the sake of context
@@guerreiroazul3230 I added quotes as the next best thing I could manage. I'm using my mobile device rather than a personal computer. Timestamping seemed more tedious at the time, and don't work for me on mobile properly.
@@1001johny I'm using mobile too and I can time stamb just fine 00:00
@@guerreiroazul3230 Good for you, I don't care to bother on mobile.
The only thing that makes charlie a good character is just the fact she is gay and is well written
Well written? What do you mean? That's the why good character are good, they are well written.... I'm sorry I have missed your point?
@@1001johny I agree even she isn't good written.
And Judcec or what's his name which wrote under our comments uhh he only protects Charlie blindy
and twists every truth I said he tried to retalk my real facts by his weak facts
like he said that Charlie gave a space to Vaggie to explain that (like sorry what? It wasn't even shown Charlie letted Vaggie to explain that it's just shown she was in the room alone and cried like hypocrite)
Or that she wasn't coldly with Vaggie alright what? The face Charlie made was cold so like who the person was trying to say?
He said many nonsenses but it would be too long for talking XD
@@1001johny I agree even she isn't good written.
And the one boy which wrote under our comments uhh he only protects Charlie blindy
and twists every truth I said he tried to retalk my real facts by his weak facts
like he said that Charlie gave a space to Vaggie to explain that (like sorry what? It wasn't even shown Charlie letted Vaggie to explain that it's just shown she was in the room alone and cried like hypocrite)
Or that she wasn't coldly with Vaggie alright what? The face Charlie made was cold so like who the person was trying to say?
He said many nonsenses but it would be too long for talking XD
@@1001johnyI agree even she isn't good writte
And someone which wrote under our comments uhh he only protects Charlie too much
and twists every truth I said he tried to retalk my real facts by his not true facts
like he said that Charlie gave a space to Vaggie to explain that (like sorry what? It wasn't even shown Charlie letted Vaggie to explain that it's just shown she was in the room alone and cried as sh*)
Or that she wasn't coldly with Vaggie alright what? The face Charlie made was cold so like who the person was trying to say?
He said many not true things but it would be too long for talking. XD
@@1001johny she and vaggie are a beautiful couple i love to see lgbt repesantation with Characters be well written in storys but if you dont like i understand
"Fell to Holy arms" means "did you fall in battle to an Angel's weapon"? Your acting very pretentiousness if you think that its the show's fault for not explaining whats going on there. He is a demon who used to be an old human when they still spoke like Shakespeare. Its a character trait signifying how old his charcter is meant to be and how long he has been in hell with out getting killed by Angels. You're really disappointing me, i greatly enjoyed you're Snow White video.
Ignoring star, many other characters were imperfect and not marry-sue like. Also Adam from hazbin hotel i wouldn't call a "villain", as he was more of just a blood thirsty jerk somewhat? Got cheated on by BOTH wives in this universe (irl lore just one, because he didn't want to be dominated in the bedroom activities, but the other one (eve) did betray him so...), lived good in life, so of course he should go to heaven.
I don't agree with the portrayal of him being a jerk, plus if anyone can just go to heaven regardless of what sin the comment, then what's the point of life or living "virtuously" when it is basically meaningless?
The only thing insufferable and poorly written here is your video, the show Is pretty good y Charlie Is a very well written main charácter.
What confuses me about making the figure of Adam a villain is if we go by biblical canon Adam was in Hell until Christ pulled him out. Adam was just a man who gave up paradise to be with Eve, if anyone represents getting sent to Hell for no "good" reason it would be Adam. Usually Micheal is the go-to heavenly warmonger.
26:48
If hell get organize similar, how a strong country is organized. How much power do you think? Hell will have?
And let’s remember Heaven does not want hell to become stronger
Forgot to mention this part, but they are the seven deadly sins and hell is bigger
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Why Eve have free will ?
There are different Bible stories throughout the world ones that explained there are two women that have been created for Adam one that was a bit more rebellious. Leave him the one who have less rebel attitudes stay with him.
I've been looking forward to this video!!!
You sure this wasn’t so post to be a kid show or pg 13
I love that everybody forget Vaggie
"We didnt need a whole song for one new detail".... girl its a musical.
It's a bad musical
@@guerreiroazul3230 Name 5 that aren't Disney that you enjoy.
@@1001johny Hamilton, Heathers, Ziegfeld girl, Prince of Egypt and Dear Evan Hansen.
Now tell me why is it good for a musical to waste time on a song that doesn't serve nor does it move the plot along.
@@guerreiroazul3230 "Best Whore House in Texas", and "Nerdy Prudes Must Die" must die are what comes to mind at the moment. Whore House was the first film to succeed E.T in the box office when it came out.
@@1001johny okay? That doesn't answer my question
"Suddenly Charlie's incompetence makes perfect sense" Yes thats called character work.
Yea it's called having character flaws
@@Numbuh8578Except it's never presented as such
@@guerreiroazul3230it is????
@@Luna-Moon.UnderFNAF When?
@@guerreiroazul3230 In episode 2,3,4 and 6
But it’s kinda subtle
Star is insufferable and Naruto has ruined more young lives than crack.
Girl no, you dont get to compare a character driven musical series about farcical characters in Hell to Attack on Titan. Thats an extremely unfair comparison because they are doing very different things. Do you even watch musicals? Ever hear of Dolly Parton and Burt Reynds in "The Best Whore House in Texas"? That be a more fair comparison. As both are musicals and beg the question "what is life when your in sin" but thats more of a perse thesis about what the musical and film is about.
"Which adds unnecessary drama which adds nothing to the wider narrative so is a complete melodramatic waste". Its a Musical! Melodrama golore! Come onn you dont get to critique something based on what its actually succeeding at being! You're allowed to not like it based on those merits, but my goodness. Get your act straight fellow!
No, that criticism is completely valid, she's criticizing how it's unnecessary drama that adds nothing to the wider narrative, being a musical doesn't automatically mean they can add unnecessary things that don't support the narrative, have you even seen a tightly written musical before? Because they don't have unnecessary moments or scenes, they have purposeful drama that's woven into the plot, that's what makes a good musical, being a *good story* that just so happens to have dancing and singing occasionally.
@@ryancarson6962 No that's false. It's adding to the character work wich is the point of the series, to be with the characters. Not uncover the overarching narrative. Unless you watch a lot of musicals I doubt you know how musicals expand on their story telling.
"Charlie isnt wise enough to lead people to be good, she thinks okay to have a drink after a hard day" yes we know this. Its why noone in the show believes in her plan. That not a astute observation, its part of her characterization.
Exactly! Characters aren’t supposed to be perfect
But that's not how the show presents this because Charlie is never shown as being wrong EVER
@@guerreiroazul3230 You're very much wrong.
@@guerreiroazul3230 Rewatch the show I don’t think you payed enough attention
@@guerreiroazul3230Don't listen to others you are right!
She is portrayed as: "Good perfect pure hero without flaws" but none of that is true.
In reality she is judging selfish hypocrite and I can say why
Wanna know one of my least favorite types of videos?
Those made only to hate on something, they just piss me off so fucking much, even if for something I agree with being bad
Why? Do you think there’s nothing to be learned from someone else’s failures?
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate most of the time, they're only seen as failures to some people and not to others, for example I'm a huge fan of Hazbin Hotel and see barely anything wrong with the show. It's fine if someone makes a video with constructive criticism on it, then it'll be less likely to come off as a rant and won't offend any fans who see it or those working on it, but calling the protagonist of the show (which was blatantly stated as "already terrible", which is far from criticism) simply insufferable when you just dislike the way they were written compared to other characters *is* going to feel as a video made simply to hate.
Personally disliking something is far from it being universally bad. One is an opinion, the other is a fact.
@@TheUniqueen999 thank you for the response. I still wouldn’t say I understand your position, though, so I’m going to flip the scenario and see if that helps.
Let’s say someone makes a video and only says positive things about the topic. Is that wrong? Does it offend people who didn’t like the thing and they should be careful not to use language that implies the thing was objectively good?
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate I kinda see what you mean, but the difference is positivity cannot harm people, while negativity can. As long as what's being praised isn't illegal or outright immoral or something, it's doing no harm to praise it.
@@TheUniqueen999 well I disagree that only negativity can cause harm, but I think I understand where you’re coming from now, so I’ll take it.
On a different note, if you’ll continue to lend me your time, I’m curious what made you like the show so much. And what were the small issues you had with it?
"Precious precious screen time" Girl you're being a dull bore. Your time with this show is wasted because you're not approaching it at all for what it is. If you are comparing it to Attack on Titan and Steve Martin comedies your falling into the trap of thinking because you like those things it means they're effective and good so you can just compare Hazbin to them. No that is a bad critique. This isnt an epic story about redemption its a situational farce about jerks who might decide to get redeemed.
So is this just like, Lily Orchard lite?
Mmmmmmmmmmmmpppphhh. This is not religious show in any way and there ia no reason why you should take it to be a critque on religion.
This show is no more about Christianity than Dragonball and Bleach are about Buddhism. They are using those images because thats what the culture they grew up in uses as their cultural myth! If your good you go to heaven, if your bad then hell. Whats bad looks like? What really makes people good? Those are basic question that Japanese shows cover all the time exeptthey dont believe in Heaven and Hell like what Christianity teaches. I grew up in Thailand, thats part of why i know. Hazbin Hotel is a secular show about obviously bad people because bad people are fun to write about, (Seinfeld, Family Guy, Deadpool ect.)
Your taking this show way to seriously and reacting how non-Christians expect you to act. Poorly.
calling star good while Charlie bad is such a garbage take especially after star committed genocide
Fair point, however, rather than being a bad character as a whole, last season/finale Star is a victim of bad writing that wasn't consistent with who she was in the rest of the show.
@@jazzandghost except Charlie isn’t a bad character so
"Morals dont mean anything if you're going to die tomorrow i guess" Your confusing following Gods law with solcial morale. In Hell what would keep up morale? Not God's laws. In WW I & II soldiers would go to strip clubs and sleep with prostitutes, their comanding officers encouraged them as it kept up "morale". Good morals are what children are taught, but the adult world has a lot of sinners whobdont know the law.
"So I commended enjoyment, because a man has nothing better under the sun than to eat, drink, and be merry; for this will remain with him in his labor all the days of his life which God gives him under the sun." Ecclesiastes 8:15
The vainity of men who do not know the Lord. This is not a show that aims to critique the Christan faith. Its a show that is using images from they see as archetypical myth character, using what ever they think looks neat to tell a story about "sinners"
charlie isn't arogrant and entilied if she was she wouldn't had that dream in the first place its a selfless dream yes the way she goes about is selfish but not the dream itself and she was mad at vaggie for telling her yes she said thought vaggie thought she wouldn't understand but that's the main thing that made her mad and if you don't like the show then don't watch just listen to the songs and stop watching the rest of the show
No she is arrogant many times actually.
Charlie is judging selfish hypocrite character.
She doesn't wanna help others cause of joy or something like that
She wanna help others cause she needs to or has to in order she would feel better about herself.
That's why she tries to solve others problems before hers. It's obvious
Charlie also never ever listened to Vaggie only twice but that's all she is bad girlfriend to Vaggie and bad supporter
Vaggie has only Charlie and had a past she wasn't proud of and was worried about losing her
but instead of understanding Vaggie Charlie talked about herself to Alastor like it's her being betrayed by her girlfriend!
She even didn't give at least Vaggie space to let her explain it! Yes if she would be only hurted alright but how acted was totally out of her character
She even treated Vaggie as some kind of monster like she would be worse than all sinners Charlie was so cold at Vaggie
When said clodly about angelic weapons: If you would know that would you tell me? She acted like Vaggie would be her enemy and a monster
Yes they made it then but only cause of Rosie help and it doesn't change a fact how acted with Vaggie
She never ever protected Vaggie when others disrespected Vaggie only once she tried to protect at the end but that's all
she forces Vaggie in doing something she doesn't wanna do and if Vaggie does it it's only cause of Charlie but we can clearly see Vaggie sounded felt like she would be forced
It most of the time seems like Charlie takes an advantage of Vaggie to do something what Charlie wanna
Vaggie deserves better in my opinion
Charlie is worst person character the facts I said I'll not repeat it it's already in answers In why Chaggie is toxic
She made feel Angel dust like he wouldn't matter when was proud of Sir Pentious but seriously!?
Angel dust stayed for free room yes but he wanna redeem himself he just hides it or something like that but
Sir Pentious didn't wanna redemption at the first place before he wanted to betray them only!
She didn't understand and respect Angels discomfort when Charlie came to his job cause of idiotic hotel! She was arrogant
and even if ok she stayed but she wasn't quiet and was stupid enough to talk loudly to Travis about Hazbin
Yes she said sorry but only cause how Angel dust screamed to Charlie it's with kids too when you scream at them and they cry and say sorry but don't know why but say sorry cause are screamed on
And I know I'll repeat it again I'm sorry XD but she is toxic character
she has trouble emotionally understanding the motivations and problems of other characters.
- Self-reflection is missing, she only perceives her own one-sided view.
- Empathy is rather superficial, she does not understand deeper human emotions.
- Social interactions are difficult for her, she can't take a regard .
- The world is divided into black and white, there is no complexity.
even though she appears in the show as if she feels empathy like the pain of others but it's more superficial and it looks like she's focused on herself on her goal to change the demons end the extermination etc. Or about how others feel, for example sometimes Angel dust or sometimes mostly Vaggie and the other characters.
Charlie is present with a selfish desire to pursue her dream at any cost without truly understanding the needs of others.
Charlie is also selfish
It was selfish of her how in the song Ready for this cannibals they sang about killing and how they will eat angels and Charlie just with a judgmental expression:
ehh Well that's a little violent can we tone it down?
Like what? Yes Charlie is a princess but that doesn't mean she can control their thinking as she wants.
She was so judging than understanding.
they like to be what they want and Charlie sounds so stupid she sounded like she didn't know they were cannibals.
- The demons only sang about their natural nature as cannibals, which is their everyday reality.
- But Charlie wanted to dictate to them how to limit their speech according to her taste.
- At the same time, she clearly did not understand that for them, being a cannibal is their identity, which they are proud of.
- Her rebuke seemed arrogant and she didn't understand their situation
she is selfish some said she gives chances like she maybe gives a second chances but still make others feel not important did others how Angel felt?! Or Vaggie or Lucifer!?
She doesn't listen what others want or their needs they have some they just wanna be the way they are
- The fact that Charlie gives a second chance does not include her further actions and behavior and does not excuse her for the way she behaves.
- As I said, she still does not listen to the needs of others and makes them less important.
- She judges their true nature without understanding their situation, like as I said I'm Cannibal Town when Charlie started a war because Adam wanted to attack and the cannibals sang about how they would eat and kill angels. They were just happy and happy to be the way they are, but Charlie judged them:
Ehh that's a little violent can we tone it down? Ughh they are little murder right now. It sounded like she didn't even know they were cannibals like hello Charlie didn't she realize clearly that cannibals
would be murderous like this? (sorry but that was judgmental and toxic and selfish of her) she just wanted to direct them to suit her taste even though she is the princess she cannot control their behaviors or minds.
-Moreover, some said that Charlie is giving a second chance, but she didn't give a chance to Adam before Nifty stabbed him and why didn't she give Lucifer a chance from the beginning? She called him for help just because she needed something and she didn't even want to call him because she thought he didn't want to see her while he was struggling with his depression.
And then she judged him and said nonsense that: Why is Alastor here for me when my own father is not?) Like this was toxic selfish judgmental from her and she didn't give him a chance from the beginning.
Charlia's words about Alastor in contrast to her father Lucifer were unempathetic and over the top.
Even if she didn't know his true motives, she had no right to judge and compare him like that.
- Lucifer wanted to protect her from danger, even if Charlie didn't know it.
- He was struggling with his own problems and depression and it might have been too psychologically taxing to help her.
- Alastor is a manipulator, his help was with a selfish intention, which she didn't notice, but she still knows Alastor's personality a little
- She didn't take into account her father's emotional state and problems, she only focused on her own goals. (only then did she gave a chance to him, but she still judged him and didn't give him a chance at the beggining).
Her words were inappropriate and showed her lack of empathy towards her own family. It was really over the line and out of line.
She almost never apologized only some times but that's all
And she is really hypocrite
Alastor at the episodes 8 when was war between demons and angels exorcists and he protected hotel and main cast Adam hurted Al and Al disappeared but others didn't know it and thought he died
Charlie didn't cry or anything she was like in the mind: Wow sad
But when Sir Pentious protected them and died for them Charlie cried as a baby!! And even made portrait of him!
But what about Alastor?!!
Even if Alastor didn't protect them genuinely Charlie doesn't know it lol.
Some people say she is really so empathic HA! She even didn't cry about Alastor
Charlie and empathic?? It's rather superficial empathic!
Charlie is hypocrite toxic judging and selfish
@@rachelgardnerray9977 my goodness your dumb. Charlie is a character who makes mistakes, she isn't acting maliciously. She isn't a role model, she is a flawed character as the story is a farce.
@@rachelgardnerray9977 her goal is selfless just the way she goes about is selfish not liking violence doesn't make her jujmental she didn't listen to vaggie because her dream was to reablite sinners so she let sir pentious if it was something actually serious she would have listened she has empathy she is just socially unaware and doesn't understand everything her empathy isn't superfical she just has blind spots with it she wants people to be redeemed that's the reason behind her goal otherwise she wouldn't have it after partially making up with her farther
@@rachelgardnerray9977 she didn't help her dad with her problems because she didn't know about them and because it's tied into her not wanting to fix her own problems
@@rachelgardnerray9977 alastor isn't a good person charlie is partailly aware of it sir pentious is that's why she only cried about him also none else cried about alastor either
Comming in alreay disagreeing with the whole statment. Your aprouch is wrong. This show isn't ruined, its about bad people, and Charlie is meant to be the good one yes. But that doesnt ruin the show it means you disagree with the main character and their flawed beliefs. That doesnt make a bad show, it make's a show you intellectually disagree with. And if thats not the point of this hour and 56 minute video, then you dont know how to analysis media. Your allowed to disagree with a show and its thesis. This show isn't Gospel nor is it trying to be.
I'll be actually watching the video now, it looks like you worked really hard on it.
Oh my word girl, "this is waste of time and that is waste of time". That's nitpicking are you actually going to watch the show as it is? Its not "wating time" its having a good time. This not a story about plot its about characters. Do you know what a character driven story is? There what you might know to be fun and not serious.
You do know that character driven shows can still have plot right. This show isn’t a slice of life where there is no over arching plot but about the characters going through conflict of redemption and heaven being the antagonist pushing them down. That the entire premise and it completely falls at it to instead bloat the story with stuff that should have been cut and put into a side story or been the focus of season one and the heaven vs hell be in season two.
@@shadeofthenight8988Whats the plot, not premise, but plot of Billy and Mandy, Code Name Kids N.E.X.T.D.O.O.R, and Disney's Recess?
@@1001johnyIve only seen one of those shows and it is Billy and Mandy and that is a show that is self contained episodes of the daily lives of the characters. I don’t understand why you brought those shows up though because that is irrelevant to the fact that HH HAS an over arching plot that doesn’t do it well.
@@shadeofthenight8988 No HH has a premise and will end with a smaller amount of episodes than network shows. It's writing will be tighter so there will be obvious beginnings end endings based on season. But the point of the series isn't an overarching plot or story. It's the episodic character interactions that drive the story forward. Billy and Mandy was a huge inspiration on this series, the show's creator was in the pilot episode.
@@1001johny ”It's the episodic character interactions that drive the story forward.” So a character driven story with an over arching plot like I said it was.
Girl.... how old are you..... you sound like an 12 year old talking about morality. You dont even know how to articulate between being judgemental and being discerning. Charlie knows what sin is because her her dad knows what sin is, she wants them to be better so that they can go to heaven and not get killed. She also doesnt have any idea what that looks like, its why she asks the Angels what the rules even are. When the Angels dont know that makes it a huge problem for her, because now she doesn't know what to do. What is she going to do call their boss? She needed her dad to help her get to have an audience with heaven. She aint calling no one
Dude how old are you?
@@MrSophire 28. Grew up in Thailand. Parents are missionaries.
The fact that you have to insult the original poster's voice before getting into your own point rather than just getting into it right from the start really shows how juvenile YOU are. Their voice is normal, and their critique of Charlie is fair enough considering how the show literally had to dumb the antagonists down just to make Charlie seem smarter. Like, the character in question-- Charlie is literally trying to rehabilitate life long drug addicts by using trust fall exercises. Come on, that's a little silly if not offensive and the narrative tries to sell you that it works and this life long crippling addict Angel, is almost clean within the 6 month period that the show runs for? Yeah, okay.
@@NoodleGuyZen I beg your pardon. I haven't insulted anyone. If you found my choice of words harsh, that doesn't make them an insult. I've been as harsh on Jazz as she herself was. If your offended by the show that's your problem and not the show's, and would suggest your not in a place of mind offer fair criticism.
@@1001johny
'I haven't insulted anyone!!'
Also you mockingly: Girl.. How old are you.. You sound 12 talking about morality--
Really man?
It may not be a direct insult, but definitely unneeded in your critique of their point, and it makes you look disingenuous when you say you haven't insulted anyone but you're clearly being unnecessarily nasty toward the OP.
And yeah, actually, trying to heal a drug addict using juvenile kindergarten methods is a bad reflection of the show and it's borderline offensive.
You can't just take everyone's critique and throw it back into their face as a "personal issue" when it's a very objective fact that this would not work, and that it is definitely stupid and downplaying addiction. (A real problem in real life by the way, that many families face and suffer from) Especially when the addiction is a cope used to handle the constant abuse/SA Angel is living through? The show wants to parade itself on rehabilitation as it's main themes, and morality as its main themes, but it clearly doesn't know what it's doing, and that's objectively clear in its treatment in its characters. Instead of in depth exploration of drug addiction and coping we get an instant rehabilitation off screen mind you, and the only thing we saw on screen was activities that would only be fit for a 9 year old summer camp. Yet I'm supposed to believe that this is my own personal issue and not a reflection of the show writer's incompetence?
"Not childlike its childish" yes thats what "bad" people are. It the point because the show wants to be narly. Have you wver seen the film Super Bad? I dont recommend it, bu that movie depicts what teenagers in real life are like, that is to say thats most of what real life is like. (I was homeschooled) That thing is crass children dont grow up into polite adults. They grow up into people who have to find time to be responsible and make crass jikes with their friends when they can spare a moment. Hazbin is a show written in part with those types of people in mind.
How about you make one comment instead of SPAMMING THE COMMENTS WITH YOUR LONG MESSAGES.
how about you take them down and repost them as replies to one message so we can see other people's messages?
@@wingedflyingforce5139 No. They are responses to different parts of the video. If you want to talk about one of those points feel free.
@1001johny If you wanted to respond to different parts of the video you shouldve added timestamps. As it stands currently it looks like you're purposefully spamming her comment section to the point of possible harassment.
@@tarabletv No I'm not purposely spamming and I don't need to use timestamps. I don't care if you think I should. I added quotes to the parts of the video I responded to as I was watching it, and had a lot to say in each of them, most of the time. It's being off the cuff. If you want to address the points then feel free.
@@1001johny How about yes? You can do as one comment here said and time stamp them, and put them in one comment, or as mentioned as comments here. What you are doing is spamming. None of them are marked. From how you talk you sound like a immature teen or younger which would slightly explain things
I'm guessing you weren't a fan of the show. Guessing you are one of the 20% from rotten tomatoes who didn't like it. Which is fine, but I think you should have named the video "why I don't like hazbin hotel and Charlie" to be less offensive. Like it or not, but people worked hard to make the whole thing happen and it became pretty successful. Both critically and financially. It's okay to not love something, but it's a whole other thing to say it's bad.
Just because somebody puts their hard work and dedication into something that was always going to be hot garbage doesn't make it somehow exempt from critique. Glorifying evil, giving literal demons redemption arcs is not beneficial to our society in any way. It reminds me of another TV series that I believe ended up being scrapped that had basically the same concept. Entertainment and media that cannot be criticized is not entertainment rather it is tyrannical propaganda. You can't change my mind on that.
What I'm trying to say is that it's okay to criticize, but as long as it's not trying to encourage bad things on purpose, I'd rather have the criticism be "I don't like" and not "it's bad" @@skeinofadifferentcolor2090. And it's not just the hard work I should have mentioned. Some creators see their creations as their own children and/or as an extension of themselves. And having that creation being called bad can make them feel unwelcomed, angry, sad, lonely and scared. And not everyone can/want to listen to criticism. Some just want to be understood and accepted for who they are.
I guess you didn't watch the video good enough. This is the only reason I can imagine to find out comment like "don't watch if you don't like". Hazbin Hotel have OBLIOUS flaws, they need to be rewritten to make a good show. If team still haven't noticed them -- well, it's time for them to open up their eyes.
Show is obviosly bad in many ways. Storyline losing logic along the way, problems solving "just because", characters that aren't needed yet are taking a lot of screeentime -- on the surface. And like a cherry on top -- Charlie, the main hero, that even doesen't suit the world she was born and living in. She's pulling you out of immergion. Looking on her and her adventures, you don't see cruel hell residents and even angel's lies.The morals are blured. This is the REASON why author calls show bad.
Proove they're wrong. Not because you liked show -- call me the REASON.
Maybe I'm just an optimist then @@tiv147. I just saw the show as a mere cartoon to engage with. I mean, it's a musical with characters that have personal dramas yet silly facial expressions, voices and traits. It's all for the "awww look how adorable/funny/sad it is" moments. I'm just someone who says "maybe they see something I don't". Plus, for some people (specifically Vivienne), their creations for them are like their own children/extensions of themselves critisms like this COULD make them feel rejected/sad/angry/scared.
@@shacharlem4424 summering: you nave no reason to say Jazz is wrong. You just watched the show through your fingers. And you're calling it "being optimistic".
Vivienne should treat her "children" better for them to grow strong and nice. Unless she wants to create a stupid mess SHE of all people will regret the most. Don't interrupt her lerning process by trying to "be more gentle", she's not a five years old baby. Don't treat Vivienne like she treats Charlie -- it leads up to no good.
You've been critiquing Baseball these last two hours and dont know how to play the game.
@@1001johny if the “game” is “story-crafting,” then media literacy is definitely an important tool for playing this game exceptionally. I haven’t watched Hazbin, so I can’t vouch for whether Jazz’s critiques are fully representative of the show’s content or not. You seem to state through your various comments that her critiques represent none of it, at least in terms of understanding what “works” or doesn’t “work.” My curiosity, as an outside observer, falls on these things:
) Is Charlie’s judgment of “good” people and “bad” people made on inconsistent or hypocritical standards? And is she ever properly called out for this, either by the characters around her or the consequences of the plot?
) Is Charlie intentionally portrayed as having any negative traits (truly negative, not just “she cares too much”) that cause genuine consequences in-universe, or are her mistakes swept under the rug with no lasting repercussions?
) Does the show contain conflicting moral messages- on one hand, the ‘virtue’ of being unapologetically “yourself,” and on the other hand the positive goal of “being better”- and view them objectively/with nuance, or simply support one or the other and swap stances when convenient?
) Is the Hazbin Hotel itself actually integral to the story, especially as a hotel? Or could the building have been excised from the story and nothing would have changed substantially in the plot?
As it appears that you’re someone who is a fan of the show, I’m interested to see your evidence either for or against these points.
@@LetTalesBeTold She used Baseball to try and explain that the show gets Christianity wrong. The show isn't about Christianity, so I said she doesn't know how to to play.
@@1001johny Ah, my apologies! I misunderstood how you meant the comment.
Again, I can’t speak personally for what the show does or doesn’t represent as a whole, but from the externals and the evidence given in this video, I would argue that the show is perhaps not “about” Christianity, in that it doesn’t focus on the real faith/real elements of it as its main plot, but it is “about” Christianity in that most of its core worldbuilding relies either upon a) Judeo-Christian (and probably a little bit of Gnostic) imagery/names/themes or b) the subversion/critique of said subjects. It would be hard to divorce names like Adam, Eve, Lilith, Lucifer; references to seraphim, Heaven, Hell, and the need for “redemption” or “salvation” with an importance put on sacrificing one’s life for others; and the intentional disdain cast upon things like abstinence before marriage or sobriety completely from their obvious Judeo-Christian influence. The whole premise “riffs” on Christianity in that sense, and the show wouldn’t be what it is without it.
Do you feel this is a fair or unfair observation? And for what reasons?
@@LetTalesBeTold I appreciate your engagement. I have made a long series of comments all over this video because I feel Jazz dramatically missed the point of these series.
I said in one of those comments that "this isn't meant to be a religious show. It's no more Christian than Dragonball or Bleach are Buddhist." Paraphrasing myself there. The show uses religious elements because they want to use the most obvious representatios of good and bad that they the writers know. Culturally that will be the religion of the land. The Christian elements are not meant to be taken seriously, at least not yet. But it's clear to me that they aren't trying to be theological overal.
Calling this show a critique on Christianity is like thinking Deadpool is a criticism of Superman.
I think that's a really great point with how other cultures handle religion in their storytelling, but I disagree here. Christianity plays a very different role in Western culture, vivzie herself talked about having questions about her faith, and, in my opinion, the show had questions rather than just influence.