The Car That Exploited the Car of Tomorrow
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2022
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It's rare for a race car to be obviously different than all others but completely legal. That was the case with the car Sam Hornish drove in the 2008 All-Star race. Equality for all cars was a point of NASCAR's Car of Tomorrow, but smart engineers can overcome rules. Thus is the story of how skew was pushed to the max and NASCAR was forced to rewrite the rule book.
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Keep this one up. Dont private it.
It always astounds me that a sport started by bootleggers and outlaws is always so quick to abolish out of the box thinking and innovation
Edit: jesus, 4k likes, thanks guys thats insane.
And its biggest fans and proponents went from bootleggers to bootlickers
@PlasmaStorm73 [N5EVV] right but all the cars are the same for the most part, and winner is based mostly on driver skill and not just have a car that is faster than everyone else
@Cody Spicer so you start 52nd you end 56th
It's all about how much money gm tosses at officials to change rules to ban anyone that beats them. Like they and Ferrari try to do everywhere else.
@@codyspicer20 a stock car is a car the way you'd find it at the factory, the days of Nascar being stock cars is long gone
I love how basically every banned race car story starts and ends with "it dominated the field and then Chevy or Ferrari complained". The 2 biggest stiflers of innovation in racing and then when they do it it becomes OK.
Chevy says waaawaa when ford surpasses them
There's also Formula 1 racing, which has reached the point where every legal car will be illegal under the next season's rules.
Well, NASCAR even changes the rules in mid-season.
Remember group B Rally in the 80,s? and the Turbo charged F1 cars, 1200hp-1400hp from a 1.5L engine? I say cut the rules down and go back to the way it used to be. With the safety advancements we have now, their is no reason to be limiting top speeds as much as they do. Drivers and fans know the risks. I would love to see the Nascar cars bumped in power. Build some new tracks and remove the restrictor plates.
@@davidbrennan5 Well the turbo F1 cars of the time were incredibly unreliable, and they didn't run 1200 hp for the full race. These days in F1 we have basically the same architecture as we had back then, 1,6 litre V6 turbo. It's just that we have the hybrid stuff now. And even now they have stagnated at around 1050 hp so that should give you an idea of how much they were pushing the boundaries of reliability going to 1200 hp back then.
Nascar has been garbage since the "car of the tomorrow." If they aren't using actual STOCK factory vehicles then they need to fuck off and call it something else
They shouldn't be able to change the rules mid-season. If you find a loophole, you should be able to exploit it for the rest of that season.
The risk of that, though, is that one manufacturer or racer dominates, and fans get bored and lose interest, especially if it's clear that nobody is going to be able to knock them off. While it might not be much of a problem in road racing series, for a series like NASCAR that is just oval racing and already has a reduced amount of excitement, any driver or manu that has a clear advantage is going to hurt gate receipts, and in turn it will hurt how much teams and drivers can get paid from winnings. So it's in NASCAR's best interest that everybody is competing fairly and equally, with driver skill being the determining factor for who wins or loses, rather than the science and engineering of the vehicle.
@@KevinFields777 revenue and ratings from 2002-2013 tell a different story. Chevy and HMS were wiping the floor with everyone for the majority of that span, and ticket sales and TV viewership were the highest they'd ever been.
he was cheating though
Wallll ridddee
@@OvernightCrewbeing innovative isn’t cheating
I'm not surprised that someone did in real life what computer race gamers had been doing for over a decade "This track is a shit ton of left turns, so lets make a car that just turns left real easily." We did all of the 'Computer Simulations' that was ever needed.
It’s not about whether you win or lose. Sometimes it’s about how many pages you add to the rule book.
Based..
all NASCAR does is invent rules to fukk over the drivers...
if i was a driver I'd stay away from NASCAR, le mans, Indy, F1, WRC anything is better....gods innertubing down the river is better than nascar lol
Are you Smokey Yunick?
@@judgedrekk2981WRC used to be great then you got manufacturer like mitsubishi who threw away their crown and title
Man, watching this makes me miss the old All Star race. It used to feel fun, with the commentators sounding more relaxed than normal, and it was easy to understand the rules
The All-Star race should be abolished, because IROC/SRX does it better.
I agree. I think the announcers today are trying to make everything over-hyped. It's unbearable at times.
i wouldn't say it was "easy" to understand the rules, but certainly it was easyer the rules understood compared now.
@@mat2000100 They are completely different things
I go back and watch this all star race every now and then. The racing was just awesome
I haven’t really been a NASCAR fan since I was a kid, but I do love stories like this where you hear about how someone tried something out of the box. It isn’t always successful, but it’s still interesting. I also love stories about the crazy way people have exploited loopholes in the rules, or the gray area on legality. It’s fascinating stuff!
Like when Toyota built the GT One with the fuel tank in the trunk. The rules said the car had to have a trunk and it had to be big enough to fit an average-sized suitcase. Toyota then modded the fuel tank so it could be opened similar to a trunk, so they could say it could fit a suitcase during pre-race inspections, during which the fuel tanks in the cars were emptied. And there was the time a nascar team modded their car, a Nova, I think, but also modded a street-driver Nova in the same way. Back in those days they had templates for the cars, but they were for each individual model. That way the bodies would be the same as the stock cars, despite being on a racecar frame. The templates didn't match the true stock car, but the race car matched the "stock" car they "happened" to find in the parking lot, so it was allowed to race. Hilarious stuff. Though, not as funny as the fuel tower trick from even earlier in nascar history. Why things get banned instead of being celebrated and used to make racing and car development as a whole better is a testament of the mindset of American society. If you can't compete on the level of someone who's better and smarter than you, take them down a few pegs so they can compete on your level. Like when nascar banned the Hemi engine. (It's STILL banned, by the way.) That way, it's "fair". Because, as we all know, everything in the world is about fair and even. Just ask a Soviet.
Notice that at 1:27, Dale Earnhardt was the only non-ford driver to get into the top 14. That was a pure show of skill.
I really despise that in every facet of racing everything clever or fast is always punished. They want every car to be in a nice little mold and it makes races boring
It's a conspiracy across all motosports. They will soon make you buy their car and the only difference will be sponsorship.
@@westernstar4964 That is how it should be. Winning should be a result of skill, not because you had a better car.
Well shit, fuck the skill of the rest of the entire team I guess. Everything, EVERYTHING must ride with the guy in the car! How dare those engineers be clever and skilled enough to work within Grey areas. How dare anybody figure out a way to... I dunno, help their boy win? Totally impossible for any of the other teams to use their skill and ingenuity to the same effect, no fuckin way.
@@xe-wf5iv that's debatable. It's applicable if you see racing as competition of drivers, but for most of the racing history, it was a competition of not only drivers, but the constructors/manufacturers too.
@@xe-wf5iv so what? A fantastic driver ain’t getting anything out of a beater. BOTH ARE IMPORTANT, NERD.
"the sliders, the gliders, THE DRIFTERS" I love this 😂
lol what a muppet
Man, the announcers were having a lot of fun with it. And I was laughing at them riffing.
the problem i have with all the rules in a racing sport is that after so many rules and regulations on exactly how cars have to be to have an even playing field such as this.. it really doesnt leave much room for drivers to showcase who has the most skill.. if everyone maxes out at 200mph and every straight is a 200mph straight, every corner is a 140mph corner.. its a long slow grind to get to first and more of an endurance race than anything else. the thing i like more about open wheel and rally racing over nascar stock car racing is the fact that the tracks allow for much more showcasing of skill over endurance even though it showcases endurance as well but since all the cars in each class are made to the same standards, keeping the cars on pretty even platforms allows the drivers to show off what they have to offer but allows basically nothing for the manufacturers to show off.. which is why i like rally so much, so much more room for manufacturers to showcase the cars they bring to the table as well as the drivers.
i mean shit, why do you think subaru has absolutely dominated the rally scene since the late 90's and every other manufacturer has fallen off after so many losses. its exactly why i own a subaru today. i definitely agree with trying to keep the cars on even platforms to keep races fair and leave it up to the drivers to fill in the gaps.. but still with every car looking the same, set up using the same aftermarket parts across all manufacturers for performance on the track.. it's pretty boring. there is literally no difference between a 'toyota' than a 'dodge' or a 'ford' out there. pretty lame tbh and the fact that every team and driver is just going to complain to get things banned instead of being creative and finding ways to give themselves an edge is honestly just lame AF. whatever happened to pride racers used to have. now they just bitch enough and the rules get changed.
the main reasons why ive never really been attracted to nascar. just way too many similarities which make the drivers bland and unappealing, same with the bland and unappealing cars/manufacturers that take part in the sport. rally > f1 and indy > motoGP + TT and MX + SX > NHRA drag racing > nascar.
having different classes and more personalization in the sport is a must have, without it it's just too bland, uneventful and boring. the sport will never grow, it will continue to lose more and more fans and money and it's sad to see because i am proud to have nascar as part of our American racing heritage, it's an awesome thing no doubt. having gone over 200mph in a car, its exhilarating to do especially professionally but it's just absolutely so boring to watch or try to be a fan of. i wish they would revise the "equal cars" rules to where, the cars all have the same power, same tire compounds, same downforce specs when put in a wind tunnel and same performance on a dyno.. but allow manufacturers to personalize them so they at least dont all look the exact same as well as still be forced to use their baseline counterparts engine setup.. obviously it cant be a stock block... i highly doubt toyota or any American manufacturer uses billeted blocks straight from factory but still. you cant tell me a camry comes off the production line with a billeted v8 making 510hp out of the gate. i know for a fact everything is swapped, down to every exterior and interior panel is stripped and replaced. only thing that stays relatively the same is the original frame which is also chopped and bits are added to it or taken away to meet all standards on weight, length structural rigidity etc. which is understandable but seriously, it's not a toyota or a ford or a dodge at that point.
if they want the sport to grow, they need a way of attracting fans and the way NOT to do that is making one base line foreign car that no normie who follows motorsport can even understand without some in depth video or guide explaining everything to them. that is unattractive to most motorsports fans. most people want to see something they can go and straight up buy from a manufacturer or dealer off the showroom floor that resembles (for the most part) the car they love watching race. that's what got me into a subaru and im sure it's gotten many many other motorsports fans into their current cars/vehicles. give us something to like about the sport, not more shit that nobody understands.
I went sledding with Sam Hornish this winter. He is an awesome dude.
I haven't watched NASCAR in over a decade, but I remember that car like it was yesterday. It was so clever, but there was no hiding it.
It's like a bulge in yoga pants... you can't -not- see it.
i havnt watched bathurst since 1989. for the same reasons as this crap. there all taxi,s..bs race..
I stopped watching when they all became jelly beans, I miss when they looked like something you might buy off a showroom floor. I understand changes for safety but there's nothing left relatable.
@@BLKMGK4 so you stopped watching it since the 90s? That's the stupidest phrase I've ever heard
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet says the one who fights auto correct to type stupidest.
The ways teams found to get that skew after the rule was made to limit it is even more interesting, to me anyways. Static cars would be in compliance, but fancy bushings in the truck arms would kick it sideways under load at speed, and allow for “out of tolerance” skew during the race. There was the period of time where on the cool down laps, cars would down shift aggressively and swerve to “reset” the rear ends after nascar tried even harder to stop the skew. Teams and engineers really got clever to find speed, and I love hearing the stories of how they did it.
Yeah it’s ashamed that NASCAR seems to be doing everything they can to take engineers and the crew chief out of the equation.
It’s a shame that teams even have to hide stuff like that. It’s supposed to be a competition between race teams not just drivers that means the engineers in pits gotta work to try and find any advantage.
@@Jpilgrim30 meanwhile they seem to forget it’s a team competition not just drivers
@@tubbykiller8738 Always felt that way because it cheapens the sport. Putting everything under restrictions like that takes the creativity and development away from everyone. The uniqueness is gone and everything becomes boring and dull.
@@CanadaBud23 That's why I hate the NFL- they'll let people wear body armor but the second someone innovates spikes onto the shoulder pads the safety nazis come out and strip all that creative development away and make all the players wear regulation gear. Same with NHL too!
It's sad to think that this innovation, that made NASCAR what it was, is gone. Gone are the days of the "little" team finding the little competitive edges that allow them to run with the "big dogs". Stock car racing should be a vehicle that starts off on a production line, modified, and competed against like vehicles. NASCAR was such a huge part of my early life in the early 90's. Being from Alabama, we looked forward to Talladega each year. It was like a damn holiday. Stadiums packed full of hundreds of thousands of like-minded individuals, everyone there sharing something that couldn't be explained. The love of the sport, the travel to the races, etc. It's so disappointing that it has become what is called NASCAR today. This isn't the NASCAR the bootleggers and war veterans envisioned and died racing for.
The true spirit of Nascar has always been skirting the rules all the way back to the moonshiners. So I think attempting to button down everything to just have some other loophole to appear is awesome
The All Star Race needs to be a “run what ya brung” event since it isn’t a points race anyway. That would make it worth watching again.
All racing should be like that. Let people go crazy. Only have regulations on safety, but for the rest, anything goes
@@jesperpsv98 i dont think you will find that in nascar but there certainly is races like that
@Jesper van Berkel I would love to have minimal rules on relatively arbitrary stuff
Like only limiting tires to a very specific tire spec including weight rating, and that's it for rules excluding safety
@@jesperpsv98 That would be completely unsustainable due to the huge expenses which would be required to be competitive. Just look at what happened to classes like GT1 and Group C.
True. The only rules should be V8, no forced induction of any kind. Other than that, let your mind go crazy
I actually did this with my racing go-kart. I built my own chassis. Everyone thought I was super loose but I just had the rear end mounted to the right of most karts giving the appearance of being loose in the turns. "I told the other guys watch my hands on the steering wheel, I'm not loose it just looks that way." I won a good deal of races with that setup. I couldn't get it to work on larger tracks though.
I've been looking to get into go kart racing. Where do you race and how did you get into it?
@@FoodPockets91 The first rule of go-kart racing is: you do not talk about go-kart racing.
Also did this with mine 99 Buller Demon on a 1/5 mile dirt track. Had an adjustment to skew the rear axle, trick was to get it to hold the bottom line without getting too loose. Flat foot it and just tap the brake to control speed.
I’ve never watched a nascar race in full before, but watching some of these old clips gets my hyped for some reason. The commentary, the camera angles, the sounds.
I love it when unique and new ideas work out to the point where they bring you to the top because most of the time it stays nothing more than a cool idea like the 6 wheels or the variomatics in Formula 1
now every ARCA car at Pocono just copying off of this lol
And Trucks and Cup at Daytona
I drove from just outside Indianapolis..to Pocono Speedway in 2006..good times!
Aren't ARCA cars used Cup cars with different engines?
@@davidgeorge4014 yes
That is what he said at the end, yes.
I actually work with the man who was the lead engineer on the #77 (and later the 2 for their championship and the 22 after that) and this car was one of the first things he and I spoke about when we started working together. This skew idea was traveling around the garage at the time (Note Edwards' comment on it), and the 77 was not the first, they were just the first to really go to the max with it.
A few things though...The 77's rear housing wasn't really steered like it would eventually be in the late-COT and Gen6 era, the rear skew was achieved by simply giving the rear wheels a lot of toe to the right (Toe-in LR, Toe-out RR). The car arrived to the track with more toe than was raced but NASCAR took the original drive plates (this act, and the parts, were witnessed by another of my coworkers who called them "hilarious") because the car wouldn't roll up onto the scales. It did race with more toe that was mandated by the next rule change, however the knock-on effects of high yaw angles from skew were discovered in this All-Star race, specifically the sudden "loose" condition that comes from being behind another car which was painfully obvious just prior to Hornish hitting the wall in the feature. This effect made it all the way through the Gen 6 era and was the catalyst for the zero-offset body for the Nextgen car after NASCAR pinned the traffic issues on Sideforce, not Downforce, in 2015. The 77's Coke 600 car was required to run with less rear toe, yes, but cars for the 600 are often a little less aggressive than All-Star cars anyway.
The skew that appeared late in the COT era was often from rear bar configurations, but from my colleagues (and what I've seen at my job today) it wasn't entirely that. The rear ARB trick was most aggressive on the 48 and the 2 in 2012, most famously called out when Keselowski got on the radio during the playoffs and said he didn't want a rear bar in the car anymore. High skew angles were usually from extremely high track bar height split (way higher on the right side), which pushes the rear of the car to the right on compression. This was augmented by toe, like the 77, and this was further developed in the Gen 6 (no rear bar) with various methods such as soft truck arm bushings and weakening the truck arms prior to the event to make them bend more. This second thing caused the drivers to aggressively swerve after races to straighten the arms up prior to post-event tech.
Last, the anti-skew at Daytona on the Nextgen car is not new for the Nextgen car. This started appearing at the end of the COT era and lived on through the Gen 6 era. The "official" story from the garage after the 43's run at Daytona was that they were correlating wind tunnel data for high negative yaw angles. This makes sense because the Nextgen wants to be run with anti-skew anyway (this car loses downforce with yaw), and a Daytona test is a perfect place to test various yaw angles to make sure the data at home matches the real world!
Interesting read thanks
Were SHR using different sized truck arms to achieve anti-skew at superspeedways with the gen 6 car? I remember during their dominant runs at Talladega you could see it big time on those cars, especially the 41. I’ve tried to find a clip of it but nobody bothered to post it here for some reason.
@@narwhalyt7231 Possibly, but the SHR advantage there was likely elsewhere. They were busted a few years ago for some spoiler infractions at Texas, likely having a built-in offset in the spoiler...a huge no-no since the spoiler was a customer part and should have been the same for every car. If they were offsetting to the right for intermediates, it's also extremely possible (but never proven) that they were also offsetting the spoiler to the left for superspeedways. This would have cut the drag without any huge skew tricks, possibly putting the car in a more efficient low-drag config that was unattainable with the standard spoiler.
Would like, but 77 likes seem appropriate.
I know you can get some toe out of straight axles by bending or welding at an angle at the center section (how much depends on how much play there is at the inner splines), but how was the toe achieved in this particular case? Welding the housing ends at an angle or shims? If so, was there enough play in standard drive plate splines to allow the angles, or were these especially loose (and thus why they were confiscated)?
11:03 "...the sliders, the gliders....". DW never disappoints.
I thought this was going to be yet another wall-ride video, but I was pleasantly surprised enough to watch the whole thing. I never knew any of this story, so my hearty thanks for telling it.
This could all be used in a documentary on the downfall of NASCAR.
Absolutely
The sport has more eyes on it than it has in the last 20 years right now. Do some research.
@@parkerm64 The fact it's been 20 YEARS since this many eyes have been on it proves it is in the middle of a downfall. Something like football on the other hand has had high and steady viewership for that entire time.
I've done the research and it shows the sport is indeed in a downward spiral. Doesn't mean it can't recover but a couple years of decent numbers is not proof that it has yet.
Another factor to its downfall is “wokeness’. That has done untoward damage to the sport.
@@navret1707 i highly doubt this mystery word people apply to anything that they don't like has anything to do with nascar becoming unpopular over the past 20 years
Great story. I had no clue that Hornish and Carrier played with this theory before the Hendrick guys did in 2012.
This reminds me of when NHRA told top fuel and funny car teams that they can't sweep their headers back any further, because they were using the velocity of the exhaust to propel them slightly faster
I just realized this video has 1 million plus views, Great work and congrats man!!!
I sat in the old Diamond Terrace off of Turn 2 with my dad that night at age 12. He was the head electrician for Gillett-Evernham so we had a vested interest in the outcome of the fan vote (and boy were we glad that Kasey won!), but I recall all of the other guys that had worked at the shop that received tickets together with us. An engineer, some fabricators, and other mechanics. That 77 was the talk of the night, and I'll never forget how these guys were recording videos to review and making phone calls to the infield. A lot of observing went into that car and boy oh boy, from what I can remember, the only thing that shut down that talk was when Kahne finally crossed the line.
As an Aussie, randomly tuning into one of these races, I thought I was tripping seeing these cars built with angle looking like a permanent drift, this explains everything cheers for the vid and happy holidays
well, you should know the bs holdens did to there cars to win bathurst. last race,,1989.. as an ausie.. i own a 1973 dodge challenger r/t 340.. holdens suck..
@@harrywalker5836 This dude right here is seriously butthurt on the internet about a race from 89. That's sad.
Any race where the cars go almost entirely one direction will tend to benefit from asymmetrical car designs. Sprint cars and super modified cars do things like putting bigger tires on the outside, moving the motors to the inside, putting rear wings sideways, and so forth. Dirt track racing benefits from the compressive effect of pushing dirt out of the way (same with snow), so a lot of them sit extremely sideways most of the race and have even more crazy designs.
Of course, you have to balance things. If you just put the car sideways, you'll lose a lot of top end speed from the increased drag. Nascar runs like 200 mph, so even a little bit of drag can be a deal breaker. Slowing down less for corners doesn't always help when you're doing 20 mph slower on the straights. Teams will find optimal slip angles for different tracks, just like any other adjustment. Slower tracks will generally benefit from higher angles, while faster tracks will favor straight speed.
Even a road course will generally have a preferred direction unless it crosses itself at some point. You necessarily turn through 360° more in one direction than the other, so a shorter track with only a few corners and low-speed straights might still benefit from some asymmetry. The asymmetry will tend to make wrong-way corners even slower, so it will likely do more harm than good when you have something like the Nurburgring with dozens of corners over miles of track. I think most tracks have enough variance that symmetrical cars work better, but I have seen guys change tire pressures on one side of the car for some tracks when those tires were getting more abuse.
@@harrywalker5836 Holden made the best Chevy in a long time
1:30 I love how Dale Earnhardt is the lone Chevy, smack dab in the middle of a sea of blue ovals.
It's really kinda sad.
None of my friends watch anymore. We all stopped watching several years ago.
So many things led to our departure.
Stage racing, chase, the obvious efforts to prevent Johnson from winning an 8th championship, cuppers racing in lower series.
We took up golf, it's great!
Rediscovered our local dirt track.
Hockey! We watch hockey!
It is so deplorable that somebody who operates within the rules and still develops an advantage is immediately banned: it merely documents that the officials refuse to be accountable to their own regulations. It suggests and borders on arranged outcomes.
They may ban the advantages but at least they don’t discredit the victories the teams achieved while using said advantage.
NASCAR has to have either GM or Toyota win .
It's amazing to see how thrust angle can make such a big difference. Waltrip said it best when he said uniform cars take away from what NASCAR is all about. I have more fun watching the history of the old races and the cars from the 2010's and back than anything from current. Great Video!
Was he referring to NASCAR being essentially an over glorified advertising platform for different car manufacturers? That's why it started out as "stock car racing" but by '57 it was over thanks to the AMA.
Remember the CanAm Cameros all had 305 V8s and finished just like they started??😅
I was told decades ago they banned the bottom air foil (or raised it?) as it was creating a vacuum under the car and the car would flip or wipe out if ANYTHING broke the vacuum at speed. Imagine your car stuck to the road at high speed, then you hit a bump or piece of debris and get launched into the air or slide into the wall without warning (effectively you lose traction when the down force goes away). Fun to watch I'm sure, except maybe not for the widows.
Glad I found this channel. I’ve been a NASCAR fan since 94 when I started racing go karts in WKA
12:35
"Hornish is 2nd.. and 3rd doesn't matter."
Haha ouch. 😄
I miss the days of creativity and coming up with crazy things like this. I liked the skewed cars. It made it seem like the teams were problem solving in an obvious way
Thank you for showing the the old actual race footage. Great memories.
NASCAR hasn't been NASCAR since they introduced restrictor plates. The whole premise of a race is that someone is faster than the rest. But the restrictor plate did lead to some spectacular crashes involving multiple vehicles..
Could have improved safety by making the crowd further from the fence and make the fence more sturdy
The American Iron series is currently where Nascar was in the mid 60s thru the early 70s but on dirt tracks and smaller paved tracks. The problem with nascar today is definitely the uniformity. To quote Syndrome, "when everyone is super, no one will be".
Visited with Sam at Indianapolis 500 Victory Banquet, he qualified mid pack, struggled and then blew up with 5 to go... likely 2003.
He was gutted.
He and that team were wicked dominant the previous time period... back to back IndyCar champs, youngest champ ever.
He was humble, polite and surprisingly candid.
The following year he joined Team Penske and again, became quite the threat.
I didn't want to see him leave open wheel ... but the astronomical money in Cup at that time was alluring to many.
Migrating within Penske's operations should be easily done.
Excellent job 👏, had me hooked straight away. Awesome documentary!
Very nice piece. I enjoyed this very much, keep up the good work u found another follower ❤
I was a Nascar fan since I was a little kid, a passion introduced to me by my uncle. When they came out with the car of tomorrow, both my uncle and I walked away from Nascar the year after. It not about supporting a brand or a driver, it's only about whose crew chief is luckiest and makes the right calls, and I don't know many fans or former fans who cared that much about just the crew chiefs. It's sad and I haven't been to a Nascar race in over a decade, nor even watched a raced in almost as long
As far as that goes, it has always been about who had the most money to put on the track.
@@kramnull8962 $$$$$$$$= GO FAST>>>> always been that way, always will. Takes DEEP pockets to play with the big boys.
Carl Edwards and Bob Osbourne were the first team to discover that dog tracking made the COT faster, but Hornish’s team clearly took it to the next level haha.
"What do you call those cars... the sliders, the gliders.... THE DRIFTERS!"
I know I’m a bit late, but: You’ve got some awesome storytelling talent! Love this amazing work!
That’s one thing I love about racing when that one team figures out a way around the rules without breaking them and forcing a rule change
There's way more snitching than meets the eyes. Lot's of crying behind the scenes.
@@kramnull8962*cough *cough chevrolet
NASCAR needs to go back to the days where the teams buy the sheet metal from the manufacturer so the car looks exactly like the car on the showroom floor. If it isn't good enough then the teams can buy other sheet metal from another brand. That way the cars look exactly what you would buy and drive yourself. Leave it to the manufacturer to do the wind tunnel testing and so forth. Keep team cost down and better racing at the same time. It worked in the 80's
Cars were also cool in the 80s lol, not today. A car with actual Camry body panels on it would look so dumb. The cars are just too expensive to race nowadays. I wish they were more like Late Models.
Good and bad will come from it. The cars will slowly become too expensive/powerful as all the companies compete and common folk wont be able to afford the "stock" car lol. I imagine things like this led to that horsepower agreement between Nissan, Toyota, Mazda and Mitsubishi back in the 90's
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So good to see great content getting the views it deserves.
Finessing the gray area of rules or completely overlooked potential benefits are what make the most interesting parts of motorsports for me. Great job on the video!
Its why Dodge keeps getting banned.
There is a video game Viper Racing with a nascar track "Dayton". Back in the day I would make rear toe out cars which would drive skewed in corners. You wouldn't believe the advantage that got, instant 10mph faster during exits. The only downside was it was sketchy in straights - the car wouldn't drive straight.
And NASCAR wonders why their fan base is dwindling it’s always been about building the fastest car but they are making everything even which sounds good because it’s fair
Why should I watch? Why doesn't NASCAR just make 20-ish copies of the same car and assign one to each driver? Development and performance costs and some payroll would be eliminated. Why should a driver and team even be involved? Punch out a car, give it to a driver, problem solved.
I dont watch NASCAR but its called balance of performance or parity. similar cars create closer racing, closer racing is better racing. No one wants to see honda civics getting whooped by some koenigsegg, thats boring, funny but boring.
Two solutions. Either apply Balance of Performance like GT3 and endurance cars do, or apply a cost cap and "run what ya brung" (with obvious requirements for safety) like what 24 Hours of Lemons do.
@@uraniumcranium2613 that’s like the NFL not allowing certain QBs to run because they have an unfair advantage by being fast (Vick, Jackson, Mahomes) if they did that and made everyone like Tom Brady the sport would be very boring like NASCAR because everyone is the same
@@alaeriia01oh they pull this shit with the Lemans race too. Just in different ways.
I really liked your edit job. Switching from crowd to TV feed
Still so sad that the days of Pearson, Petty, and Foyt are gone.... Not to mention Yarborough finding and interesting way to exit the raceway.
Watching this video and was like ayyy thats me 😂Thanks for the shoutout man
At 12:20 that 84 car is spitting a heck of a lot of flames out the exhaust on corner exit. Way more than any other corner. He needed to hit the "secret sauce" button for that last corner to hold off Hornish.
That's called getting loose. Flames only come out on decel.
Like SK said, it’s just raw fuel. Happens on carbureted engines.
Those engines back then still had carburetors, that's just unburnt fuel hitting the hot exhaust from quickly letting off the throttle.
That wasn't what was happening, but you get a like for the usage of "secret sauce" anyway LOL
@@SUPRAMIKE18 I daily a car with a carb and points. I know they can shoot flames on decel. The amount of flames on that last corner is why I think that something fishy was going on.
The sliders, the gliders, the DRIFTERS😆
Great video! Love to see teams bending the laws of motorsport with new innovations.
Thanks for reminding me. I forgot about the Penske/Hornish car. The one that always sticks out is Gordons car they brought to the Allstar and were told not to bring it back to a points event.
Ah NASCAR, Where good ideas are punished.
It's ALL big money racing.
"He looks like one of them sideways cars coming around the corner, what do they call them?, a slider? A glider?" 🤣🤣
This was awesome, what a driver and what a team. Well put together Vid.
The year Jr ran out of gas at the 600 I could see his cars rear end swing to the right in the center of the corner in 1-2 for a straighter drive off. Only car I saw doing it and it was all I could watch the whole race to make sure I wasn’t just seeing things.
Earlier that year I saw Harvicks car doing that when wall riding at Fontana. Some of the shots it almost looked like he was powersliding a bit as he was catching up to jimmie in the final laps
I can't remember where (probably DJD), but I remember him talking the technical details of how they achieved that
We had a short team working on this in '67. Personality issues blocked it. But we knew ... oh yes, we knew!
Gentlemen, congratulations on finishing what we could not. JDA & CWC
This was an AWESOME video!!
i remember when they switched cars. i stopped watching and never went back shortly after. if ima watch the same car do the same shit ima just watch F1 and other random track events. i honestly like the cheaper budget races that goodwill racing does all the time. fun times
I have to come here just to comment how great that last clip is of the arca cars, like something almost out of a cartoon.
I love the fan perspective shots in this video!
I’m not even into NASCAR. Just a car guy but you tell the stories really well man.
This might sound ridiculous, but I think NASCAR should toss out the rules for All-Star Races, I bet it'd get people back watching
man, those Twisted Sisters cars really looked interesting. It'd be fun to see a race where they still use the rules from that period
"As long as their are rules in motorsports, there will be engineers looking at ways to exploit them". Forget who said that, it was one of the old Ferrari engineers I think. Great mini doco, fascinating subject.
1:28 so thats why Mark Martin's Taurus was in Gran Turismo 2 as a race mod.
There was a massive amount of beauty in the engineering of that car. The axles were a hardened gun drilled masterpiece made in Europe.
While yes Carrier was heavily integrated a lot of the work on that car really goes to the Penske Chief engineer at the time and the design department.
Had heard the story anecdotally of this car but amazing to see a story about it.
"Boogity Boogity Boogity! Let's go All-Star Racing!" was clearly an inspiration for Cars.
David Ragan with the pro move keeping Sam pinned and taking the air off his sideforce generator.
Another piece of fantastic work Brock, and in the bestest Dale Jr impression possible as heard on the DJD, "Thank you Nascarman!" Your work on so many videos that are educational, biographical, informative, you bring light to so many topics that deserve to be honored and/or remembered, lives to be celebrated. So many of your videos deserve to be shown on a larger platform, this is the stuff that makes you love being a stock car racing fan, as examples that its not just cars going in circles, these are athletes that compete, and crews and teams that innovate to have created a form of science.
The sound from the recordings of people in the stands while the cars go past - if anyone thinks this isn't an elite sport, they clearly have no idea just what it's like to be behind the wheel of those cars, doing what those drivers do at the speeds they do it at.
I don’t know much about NASCAR but man do I love out of the box thinking in all motorsports and when a series embraces those ideas instead of banning them, it makes a whole new unique division.
Dude good editing
The point of a competition is to be better than everyone else. That includes building better cars. If other teams can't keep up, tough luck.
Thanks for the great video.
I remember reading that racing is not just about pitting racers against each other, but more about engineers against the rule book.
Beyond that, who can put the biggest wallet on the table.
Moral of the story: NASCAR hates innovation.
No those who lose a lot of races hate innovation, because they can't win that way. And they can't win because they don't know how to innovate.
Nascar is now adopting FIA based F1 hub designs for mounting tires.
F1 cars use a system very similar to the DCT transmission which was banned because it was too good, its simply a hydraulically actuated servo clutch that shifts faster than a human can, both the approved version uses push button shifting and the banned version.
Nascar will rule itself out of existence
Thank you for this! I consider myself an aficionado of this era of NASCAR and I didn't know about this. Your style of editing sent chilling waves of nostalgia through me. Absolutely great vid, can tell a lot of effort went into this
Didn't Tony Stewart try something like this in 03? It was so well hidden that NASCAR knew it was wrong yet couldn't figure out how. So they impounded the car took it back to HQ and cut it into little pieces before returning it back to the 20 team. This was about the time the templates really got tight
I remember an interview by Steve Waid of Dale Earnhardt in 1988 where Dake called the sanctioning body "NAFTAR" The National Association of Ford Thunderbird auto Racing!
I'm not even into NASCAR, but this video is well put together and I learned a lot :)
I honestly forgot about that car!!!... that thing was WILD! What ever happened to Hornish?...he was always one of my favorite drivers!
I remember that race. It was even more skewed in practice before NASCAR made them adjust it to that level.
I'm not a NASCAR fan but this was VERY well done and makes me interested in getting into it.
awsome video man
"That 77 is fast, That thing is BAD FAST!" I love listening to the old school Nascar commentators.
I miss DW in the booth
*NASCAR: Why are our ratings so low?*
*Also NASCAR: Every car must be the same in every conceivable boring way so our viewers see the same car with the same exact set up back to back*
Que buen video. Gracias por hacerlo. Saludos desde Honduras goRowdy
It looks so freaking cool!! Love how fast it looks while going slightly sideways!!!
This is an absolutely fantastic and well produced film here guys. Thank you for sharing!
Great stuff as always. Best pair of NASCAR UA-camrs out there.