I think Neitz forgets one point of Christianity. No one is perfect. Only Christ alone is perfect and good. We believe that we fall short of the glory of God. That's why we look to Jesus for salvation. The corruption was using the faith in politics. The same God that preaches forgiveness also preaches plead the case for the widow, the fatherless, and orphan.
@@PaxHiberniae No she wasn't. Mary was never chosen to be God's passage into the mortal realm by flesh because "she was perfect". To say such a thing is heresy and nigh blasphemous. Name one Bible verse that describes Mary as being "perfect". Yes, she was a virgin, but that didn't mean she was entirely without sin. If Mary was perfect, she could've died on the cross for our sins too. I hope you've changed your mind about this matter since you posted this reply. I've seen this heretic view from many Catholics before. Exonerating any human above any other human being is idolatry, brother. We are all sinners. Only one man (the Father made flesh), was perfect. Mary played an important role in the Bible, yes. However, the whole point of Mary being chosen was to show how miraculous things can come from imperfect people. Mary being a virgin only was to show that God can do anything. Truly, I believe it's beautiful how God can pick a poor peasant woman to have the honor of bearing Yeshua (Jesus). If she were perfect, it'd make it feel a whole lot less special to be honest.
When I first watched the show and saw Canute basically becoming an antichrist, I noticed how his logic involves this idea that God is just up in heaven looking down on our sad state of affairs and judging us for what we do in it. I think this mistakes the whole point of the incarnation, that the Son of God became man and entered into our disfunction, ultimately so that he could redeem it (which is the point of the resurrection). It was something Abp. Fulton Sheen once said: God became man precisely so we could never say “does God know what it is to suffer?” Jesus was born into poverty, experienced hunger, threat, grief, mental agony, physical harm, death, and humiliation. This I think is very smart writing regarding Canute, since it’s fitting for an antichrist character. When Canute starts doing everything he can in service to his plan of creating a utopia, he is making it within a world that is inherently broken. No matter how much he tries, eventually everything he built will crumble (as history bears out). This is why “utopia” literally means “no place,” and why a true utopia is something we won’t have until the end of time.
Amen brother! We got a Fulton Sheen fan here! I had the same interpretation for Canute. He totally missed the point of the Gospel in believing his beliefs about God. The whole point of Christ was to let us know that God did suffer and know what it was like to be a human being. That's part of the redemption process. I guess Canute is this world's manifestation of "Berserk" themes/philosophy.
@@ThisSaintsTheory stumbled upon your channel because I have been drawn to this show due to the religious themes and the fact that a couple years ago I split ties with the LDS church. I would very much appreciate if you would put out a part two to this video around the content and comment of the person above and where season two has taken us. I have spent a lot of time in the gym and reading other philosophers, and I am in this weird limbo, where I try not to call myself a Christian, but I also don’t like identifying as an ex Mormon, and I have really been in an observer mode of Sorts, feeling impacted by what I am watching on the screen unfold in Vinland saga, as well as other items/articles that I have read recently.
I heard the orthodox teachings were more pure teachings in terms of the monotheistic understanding of which Jesus (a.s) had but I would say you should search for Islam as it not only corrects the understanding of Jesus as a miracle and mighty messenger of God but that God is one all powerful and be sent many messengers before prophet Jesus and the final after prophet Jesus, prophet Muhammad SAW for verily no man can see God as mentioned in the Bible also in the Qur'an were it remains unchanged following the our monotheistic teachings.
With season 2 out i think this bible quote sits well MATTHEW 5:43-44 “you have heard it was said to love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but i tell you love you enemies and pray for those who persecute you”
Your video is amazing, I'm agnostic (I used to be Catholic), every religion has their good points, and Vinland Saga never fails to remember me (especially the second season) the things I really like about christian's way to approach life
This show made me a Christian belief in god is secondary belief that anyone is capable of redemption is a hard pill to swallow for most. And I don’t blame them how can you possibly show forgiveness and even compassion for someone who killed your children or committed sexual violence against you. It is next to impossible to achieve this and that’s why Jesus had to die on the cross. That we carry the love of Christ within ourselves to bear the burden of true universal love.
@@kekero540 Read The Kingdom of God is within You by Lev Tolstoy. I started it just a week ago, but this is exactly what it is about, and was created at a time when just saying this got him banned in his own country despite his achievements as a novelist. It is also the book that inspired the entire life's work of Mahatma Ghandi, who was a devout Hindu yet acted more true to these principles than any self-proclaimed church leader of the past millenium. It is staggeringly hard to decipher the essence of what Jesus taught, but it is in no way unexpected through all the mythicisation that was done to his life, through what has been done through the era from Constantine when the church made it into an institution to justify war and corruption all the way to present day when people declare it outdated. You are so right about this. I would also like to add that is also not about living up to these impossible standards, but rather the process of getting closer and closer to the ideal, to rising above yourself as an instinctual being and reaching towards the divine, the capability for universal love you can find within yourself, the Kingdom of God. That is why Jesus dined with the prostitutes and tax collectors while condemning the actions of the priests, even though the latter is more righteous. It is why the shepherd goes after the one lamb instead of the ninety-nine, and why the father welcomes the prodigal son back. Everyone is capable of redemption, and they are the ones who need the teachings the most. To pray for the eternal damnation of one's enemy is the highest renounciation of Jesus' teachings.
I recommend watching " The Shack" It's a beautiful movie and shows an interesting way of seeing a lot of what you're talking about. It made me think about it in a different approach!
Hey I just wanted to add it's actually the Welsh that look forward to king Artorias, as the danish/Vikings look forward to Ragnarok. Askeladd is half Welsh which is why he knows it.
Power is to enforce your will upon others. Strength is to enforce your will over yourself. And truly strong people, are kind. I am not a christian. But i do align myself with the ideals of Jesus. If you have the ability to help someone then your are obligated to do so, not a single living being on this planet deserves to suffer. I beleieve this is why the genre of seinen resonate so much with me. These strong individuals learning to love, and be loved. The embody the qualities of prophets and deities that we wish we had in ourselves. That to invoke any kind of predjudice is a true poison to this world.
I really respect the amount of effort and writing you put into this. However I feel that the idea that one cannot be considered "Christian" in the traditional sense (meaning little christ, as in imitator of christ.) completely misjudges what those in Jesus' time considered being a Christian to truly be, men corrupt the idea of what it means to follow Jesus and always will, but to say "No one is truly a Christian" is far too broad of a statement with very little clarification. The primary governing idea of being "Christian" is to follow Christ, the root of the term itself does not translate to "Christ" it means "Little Christ". As a child learns from their father, inherits his traits, yet lacks the ability to properly image him perfectly, so we are we in relation to God. To this end, the entire idea of being a Christian, is, was, and continues to be a recognition of the impossibility to be image God correctly, and therefore accepting his fully atoning sacrifice, and loving others out of love for him, growing more like him each day. Nietzsche has moments of clarity, but misunderstands many elements of what makes Christianity what it is. The distinction between Latter Day Saints and other groups such as Protestantism is not simply a checklist or a bigoted, exclusivity race, it is the recognition that the revelation about Jesus revealed in the LDS teachings diverge from the Jesus in the new testament so fundamentally, that they came from different places, and for different purposes, and so, they are different gods, one can pick up a stone, dub it "Christ" and claim "I believe in Christ.", such is the difference between Joseph Smith's Christ and the historical Christ. This is not an issue of exclusivity or bigotry or power, it is a categorical, historical opposition in regards to the identity of Jesus of Nazareth, and the issue of a "True" or "Fake" Christian is in the same vein as the previous point, yes, if a "Christian" is one who perfectly images Christ, there is only one Christian, but if a Christian is what the actual religious group itself has historically always been (at least in their roots), *even* if people in religious power have attempted to redefine it overtime, then anyone who recognizes they can not achieve the definition of "Christian" you and Nietzsche presented, yet still love God, believe in his resurrection and the person he claimed to be, they become Christian by rejecting Nietzche's Christianity and embracing the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, the true man and God. Just to cover my bases, (not implying you implied what I am about to state, to clarify.) The idea that we cannot truly know what Christ the man meant through his words is hearsay, it is not a matter of telephone, or subjective interpretation, but rather a historical study, the golden standard for historical record. I simply feel that in your (genuinely brilliant) writing, you have confused what Christ himself and the early church understood being a Christian to be, Vinland paints a beautiful picture of man's depravity (not calvinistic total depravity.), and how one who hasn't the capacity to sin is closer to the beauty of God himself, who in essence cannot sin. A beautiful philosophy that only serves to uphold what Christ sacrificed in order that we may be fully atoned for, LDS theology, as i'd be remissed to assume you're unfamiliar with (not meant as a sly joke, tone is hard!) disagrees with this notion, and claims Christ's sacrifice only existed to atone for you "after all you have done". This is a version of Christ, but it most certainly was not the historical Christ, whether one is religious or not. Hope none of that was too rude! I really don't mean to be, religious studies is just a hyperfixation of mine, nothing but love!
Nietzsche just didn't like the thought of everyone being forgiven regardless of how atrocious the crime. As long as they put their faith in Christ, then they are to be saved. The fundamental foundation of being a Christian is that you can't be a hypocrite when you put your faith in Christ. Sure you may have shortcomings but only you and the Lord know if you've turned against Him or not. That's why He died for us in the first place, to forgive us for our shortcomings, to offer us a connection with God and have eternal life. Nietzsche couldn't understand that Christians simply believed that God knows truly what's in our hearts, and the ones that feel most undeserving of God's mercy are the ones saved.
My friend, you have a very wrong view on Christianity taken from people who either never read the word of God (the Bible) or from people who read it and do not understand it. My best advice is to read it yourself and read healthy commentary for what you do not understand. Please do not believe the whole "kingdom of God is within you" and that its "an experience of the heart". To clear the misunderstanding, Luke 17:21 talks about the kingdom of God being in "the midst of you" (you reffering to the pharisees who asked Jesus when is the kingdom of God coming) - and that means that the rightful king of the kingdom of God is right there in front of them (Lord Jesus), but they did not accept Him because the Bible says "the mind of the flesh is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God" (Romans 7:8) as Jesus is God in the flesh. And to explain why its not an experince of the heart: Human heart is "deceitful above all things, and incurable" (Jer. 17:9) and that includes both me and you. People do not accept God and the fact that He will rightfully judge us after death for all our sins (lying, stealing, adultery, lust, greed, hate etc.) because of the same reason a thief does not want to be near a policeman. What Jesus did for us on the cross is the only way to escape judgement, through His death and resurrection people can be saved (and that is through faith, not of works lest no one boasts, in other word its Gods grace - Ephe. 2:8,9). Also the Bible condemns anyone who calls themselves a Christian and waits for His kindom without listening and following the teachings of Jesus in their lives because faith without works is dead.
I don't remember the priest learning about Askeladd as well as the Vikings worshipping Lucius Artorius aka King Arthur. I have yet to watch the anime but from my readings of the manga, I don't recall those details. I think a better comparison is the Vikings willingness to die in battle because they want to go to Valhalla and serve as eternal warriors with Odin. Also the Vikings would mention Ragnorok, aka the end, throughout the series. I feel that's a good juxtaposition between the 2 groups in the anime/manga.
@ThisSaintsTheory it was only the pirate leader Askeladd and the Welsh that let his band of pirates through who considered that. Askeladd eventually proclaimed himself Lucius Artorius
From someone who was watching this series to get ready for S2, i forgot about the debates of God in S1. When i saw it I thought of how amazing they did with it. The thought and rebukes of the lord are accurate to human nature and trials. Nitce is like a lot of modern Christian’s who frankly never heard what Jesus said was next. At our church right now we are doing a series on the now and what we belive is the Christian way of life. Vinland Saga accurately shows the horrors of the modern Church and in reality the history of the leaders of our faith. We are not told to judge yet we innately judge others on their life! If Jesus is real than why do Christian’s not know of our need to be like him? We are sadly human who will die, wether you belive or not does not change that. Vinland Saga to me shows the current reputation of so-called Christ followers and the hurt they have displayed. You did a great job with this video it inspired me to deeply reflect, thank you
Jesus existed and he was a messenger of God verily the truth is a fact and those who oppose it are coming from a place of arrogance we ask Allah to guide is all ameen.
Vinland Saga manages to get its messages across from both a religious and non-religious POV. It clearly displays different religions from the time period it's set in. Religion has been a huge part of history in all cultures. So if Vinland Saga avoided showing religion, it would be completely detached from the setting. But it shows the teachings of religion from a more general stand-point.
For your own sake drop the show now, it gets more and more woke as it goes on and is very athiest and anti christian, before in season 1 it was as well but it gets more athiest.
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." -Ephesians 6:12
St. Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69-155 AD): “Let us fix our eyes on the blood of Christ and the suffering that He endured, and let us wash ourselves in His baptism, and let us be strengthened in the power of the Holy Spirit.” (Letter to the Philippians 9:1)
This was a very interesting video, thank you for sharing hour perspective. Would be interested in hearing any thought you had over season 2 once it has concluded.
I respectfully disagree with your points of the second coming in relation to sloth. It has been historically a wrong mindset, but looking at the shifts more broad understandings of theology across the denominations, answers in predestination and man's original sin fully debunk any ideas of what man deserves in life and what to expect to change. The ongoing theme protestants have fought for centuries, is the idea of grace, not works in salvation. That does not in any means create laziness, there is a sense of piety and duty in the "earthly city". The second coming of christ is not in any way meant to relieve and make our earthly lives better, it is a timer for a reset, when everything of old is gone and the new can spring forth. And it is not an easy trial. Emphasis is put on the sword, the suffering of Christian life, yet too often do people forget or refuse to acknowledge it.
That was beautiful, the story of Vinland Saga is truly a beautiful one… a priest trying to teach the mindless brutes love, a king baffled by the will of god and most of all the searching not for a reason to be and a understanding of what it is not to be!😮💨😮💨😮💨
@@ThisSaintsTheory oh, my apologize there friend😅 I didn’t see you messaged me, yeah i will on hundred percent do so, as a norwegen man and a guy who believes in Åsatru (Norse Mythology) i feel like i can semi understand the mindset of certain characters and find some kind of messed up relatability to them! Anyways this video was great and i hope to see more of you, i am Subbing to you! And this might just be my favorite deep dive into Vinland Saga… it even helped me further understand my Gods in Åsatru! So for that i thank you man!👍👍👍 and Skål til deg min venn, mange takk og inntil vi møttes igjen!🍺🍺🍺
Brother you got 3 things mixed up. The Welsh are the ones who believe in the return on Artorius, and he isnt in Vinland. He IS on an island so far too the West it cant be reached, which is a paradise free from hate and war and age and sickness and death. The Vikings believe in Ragnarok, the end of days. The christians believe in the 2nd coming. And Thorfinn believes in Vinland, a land far to the West that is a paradise free of war and slavery and hate Vinland saga shows the similarity between all of these and parallels them as a sort of ubiquitous human longing for the world of strife and suffering we find ourselves in, and even create. Despite our own machinations creating the worst institutions like slavery and war, our hopes and dreams collectively wish for a single day, a hero or an event that all at once will judge us for our wrongdoing and being divine punishment upon us for all we have rought. I absolutely love this video. Im 29, an age where all you do is think about how youre about to be 30, and think back on all the ways youve wasted your youth. 12 years ago I thought this much, so philosophically. I had forgotten. You, a very intelligent young man, have reminded me of those days of philosophy and seeking true knowledge. Im ashamed to have forgotten, but happy someone could remind me. I need more content like this in the world so please keep making it
5:20 Moses didn't create God. In fact, if it wasn't for God Moses would never have been able to lead the Israelites out of captivity in the first place.
I don't linke Nietzsche very much for his unwillingness and pessimist aproach to life. If GOD didn't rise from the dead. Why so many Saints and Apostles died for a lie( which is impossible for a man willing to loose his life for something he doesn't believe in)? Nihilist are for my personal viewpoint just cowards[no offense] trying to stay in their little dark corner and being affraid of the dangers of the outside world. Or foolish going in their life trying with their own terms to make sense of all of it. Impossible. And you know what makes a Christian a Christian? Trying to be better every day not for yourself or anybody here, but for GOD so he can show you the Real love he gave us initially. And for eternity
I would argue that Nietzche's whole philosophy is not pesimistic at all. But a constant fight against nihilism. His philosophy is to say yes to life and reject any imaginary afterlife.
People die all the time for no reason. That's the way of the world. You call it cowardice to accept the nothingness beyond our perception, but I call it bravery. What I think is cowardice is hiding behind fanciful ideas that there is a powerful man that will make everything okay and that's why death truly isn't something to fear. Hide from what is ultimately a fear of death behind the idea that there is something more that you can earn a greater reward for your actions or greater punishment. The truth is we have no reason to believe this, people simply accept what they're told when they're young and since it's ingrained so young they never even think to question it and then they've become old and now it's become such a part of their life that they've committed so much to how could they ever let go and this is I think the problem most religious people have, they very easily identify any number of other religions and mythologies however when it comes to their own stories even when faced with the fact many of their religious texts are ripped straight from pagan religions. That's all religion has really had to offer, a sense of superiority for people desperately afraid of death. Countless people still die today over which magic man they think controls everything. The nihilist has no need for such gratuitous violence. The nihilist can simply exist in the world as it is acceptg it as it is.
Is vinland saga insulting Christian religion...? I'm muslim by religion but i won't tolerate insulting any religion After watching some lines of Canute i thought they're insulting Christian that's why i searched this video for further explanation....?
Canute is not so much insulting religion, as he is flat out rejecting it. Just my take. However, I also think Canute is wrong, and I think that on some level he is written to be wrong. He thinks that he can make a Utopia here on earth, but like so many throughout history who have made such promises, season 2 shows that he is willing to kill and use others to achieve his goals. He might have good intentions, but the path to hell is paved with good intentions as the saying goes.
The thing about being with jesus is about a relationship with him ,its not with people its either you and him ,or he lets you be by yourself that's why hey gave us free will ,but since we ignore the lord ,he will not open the doors when this life comes to a pass ,he gave us all the time in the world ,God can intervene , but then that wouldn't be free will
Ehhhh this all stretches the definitions of love, freedom, slavery, faith into things they're not. While it's true there's an anti-intellectualism problem among Christians, that doesn't necessarily make them immoral. Also, there's a lot about Christ you left out: -Christ had the Devil as his enemy and made it ours. -Christ said "I've not come to unite, but I've come to divide, family member against family member." After all, Truth is offensive. It will always divide. -Christ called us to forgive others, not be vengeful or envious of their lot. -Christ never said "don't protect your home". -Apostle Paul said "our war is not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities" The freedom expressed in Christ is only doable by taking the _whole_ of Christ's law into account, and not becoming too apollonian or worried what philosophers might say. I still appreciate the video, it is thoughtful and does make me think. But those stretched definitions are an issue. Therefore, many so-called Christians are still followers of Christ.
Jesus is King. Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ. Jesus was not a Christian but a Jew. I honestly disagreed with everything in this video but I love the show.
@@crimsonweeps (Mathew 16:18) And I also say to you that you are Peter(Peter means rock in Greek and Jesus changed his name from Simon to Peter) , and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
@@lampad4549I don't know, the "You have no enemies" quote is quite literally a foot note of "Love your enemies" that Jesus Christ taught... the reading of the Bible in the series and Thorfinn character change from a blood thirsty kid, to a doormat says a lot about the creators intention with the show. I think what would help you realise what the writer's intention with the series is by looking at who Thorfinn is based off "Thorfinn Karlsefni" and then go on to read about Thorfinn's son and how he brought Christianity to Iceland
Yeah I stopped watching it after they went off full-blown anti christianthanks for confirming it I left off at episode 16 When they were torturing the Christian all the way not enough enough Did the same thing with the TV show show go this anti-christian stuff is just annoying at this point
My interpretation is that Nietzsche respected Christ more than any other Christian, but was still opposed to the philosophy of Christ entirely. Hence why Nietzsche considered himself the Antichrist; not because he hated Christ, but because Christ's philosophy was the antithesis of Nietzsche's own. Also, regarding the title 'The Antichrist', Nietzsche uses the word 'Antichristen' in other places which clearly must mean 'anti-christian', but the title uses the word 'antichrist'. I think it is very plausible this is what Nietzsche meant. Other than that, this is a fantastic video, and I'm certain Nietzsche would agree with your analysis that Christ himself was indeed Beyond Good and Evil.
Both Vids of yours have interesting point, while i see vinlad as crypto Christian. Ebeeing slave to sin is a very well showned in vinlad, many quotes even thors thata real warrior doesnt need sword is very close to Jesus were His Word is a Sword. Many moments is S1 were thorfin was told that somehow he feels as he is a slave to a slave girl on the ship. Cnute thinking to be a better than God, falling and becoming a scum of a leader. Neitz unfortunelty had a very bad understanding of theological Christianity and based his philosophy on the common view of common ppl and it showes very well in his book, alo his ideas inspired hitler very much. but overall every perspective is required to understand someting deeply
Thank you so much for sharing your view. As a protestant Christian I'm extremely interested and open to hear people's doubts and point of views. I don't have a lot of background to profoundly debate or anything, but I try my best. This video is an amazing addition to what I have watched so far, and I really liked how Vinland Saga portraits both Christians and Vikings with their flaws and also good things. My main prayer is that the Church, with capital C to include all the Christians from different backgrounds and denominations, to be open for what the world is saying and to find in God, maybe not the answers, but a way of us Christians living as Jesus gave the example. My responsability is to make Earth more similar to my belief of Heaven/Paradise. Thank you again for your work to make this video
TL DR all is to say about this video. Too convoluted wording and phrasing, and that to remotely understand it you even have to understand or know and understand meaning of quotes and paraphrases from Bible and Nitzshe. But yea, you can understand some portion of narrative, kinda. Couldn't you word your ideas and phrases more simply and that it not requires a bunch of prior knowledge?
I am speaking from arrogance but it could well be a messenger like previous messengers calling group of people to God claiming paradise is were they should strive for as God sends messenger to every nation so they do not get a chance to complain , so ye could be translated to Valhalla which is were they seem funny enough most concept of God gets destroyed over time but helped those who heard the pure monotheistic message at the time
You throw around a lot of big words and ideas. But you say them from a place of cynicism. If the Holy Spirit, the Helper who guides the body of Christ, does not will your words, then they are twisted--partial truths. Consider this, Jesus and his disciples brought swords to the garden. Why?
Pretty great video, I agree so much. I would love to see a look into the second season as well, as I think that really ties everything together. I refer to Vinland Saga (in the inclusion of season 2) as the more Christian anime I have ever seen, when it honestly barely even mentions such in the second season. Completely unironically Vinland saga has let me accept Christ into my heart. I am not religious, and much like Nietzche, I agree with christ but not the way the church carries out his message, nor how god allows and condemns any souls. But I have never agreed with Christ more than I have today.
Cant we enjoy something without injecting politics into it. Sjws and woke people have been doing it and now christians so 😢😢 is no place safe from agendas? Btw for your own sake drop the show now, it is not christian at all it leans more and more athiest as it goes on cause writer himself is athiest.
That's not what Willibald was saying at all. He's not saying that death is love in itself. What Willibald was trying to say is that in dying we are finally able to exist in a state in which "Agape" is possible. He believes that no human is capable of love in its most pure form due to the original sin, though God compels us to attempt to embody it anyway. Vinland Saga's core message is about attempting to pursue a place to live in which people have a chance to attempt to reacquire that love without being taken advantage of by "loveless" people.
Your last paragraph is intriguing to me as a Christian as this basically says “seek heaven.” Heaven is that place where there are no loveless people, where in fact “love itself” (God) is most present. The saints are the ones who have embodied the love of Christ in their lives, and the damned are those who are entirely cut off from it; this is why people like St Francis of Assisi or St King Louis IX are canonized while people like Pope Benedict IX are not (that’s not to say Benedict IX is for sure damned, only God knows, but he’s not held up as a good example). I’m Catholic if it wasn’t obvious.
The care and respect that the author shows for cultures that are not his own is absolutely incredible. His research goes deep, and the ways he finds to incorporate the values of many different people into the message he's trying to get to the audience is astonishing. I'm not sure if you're a manga reader or caught up to the anime so I'll try not to get too spoilery. That idea of attempting to create an analogue of heaven on earth, and the proper way to go about creating it, are for sure the big theme of the second season/arc. Yukimura truly believes that if we could all agree to give up violence that the world could become this idea of a new paradise. You can see it in the earnest way he discusses his themes in interviews. I don't think that anime will change the entire philosophy of humans as a whole, but I do wish that more people would consume his stories and really internalize the lesson he's attempting to teach.
Far as i know the concept of eternal torture is mostly something that the church made. Jesus in the Bible implies that those who don't get saved are throw into the lake of fire and have their definitive death of soul. By this, i'd assume that "eternal torture" is not really a part of it but rather the complete erasing of your existence as a whole Or at least that's my interpretation.
@@renren47618 what I mean is that I haven't heard any Catholic or Jewish guy tell me "Japanese good citizens that don't believe in Jesus are condemned forever" no, they are good guys, just don't know Jesus
Did you really put "spoilers for the bible" in the opening? 😂
Lmfao
Thanks for watching, besure to check out my video covering season 2: ua-cam.com/video/jtKiCvtD8CM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ThisSaint%27sTheory
It's a good read, try it for yourself. lol
@@caodogao4327 I did. it absolutely sucks.
and advocates for slavery.
@@alicepbg2042that's a misinterpretation of the source material
I think Neitz forgets one point of Christianity. No one is perfect. Only Christ alone is perfect and good. We believe that we fall short of the glory of God. That's why we look to Jesus for salvation. The corruption was using the faith in politics. The same God that preaches forgiveness also preaches plead the case for the widow, the fatherless, and orphan.
Thanks for watching, besure to check out my video covering season 2: ua-cam.com/video/jtKiCvtD8CM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ThisSaint%27sTheory
Mary was perfect
@@PaxHiberniae No she wasn't. Mary was never chosen to be God's passage into the mortal realm by flesh because "she was perfect". To say such a thing is heresy and nigh blasphemous. Name one Bible verse that describes Mary as being "perfect". Yes, she was a virgin, but that didn't mean she was entirely without sin. If Mary was perfect, she could've died on the cross for our sins too. I hope you've changed your mind about this matter since you posted this reply.
I've seen this heretic view from many Catholics before. Exonerating any human above any other human being is idolatry, brother. We are all sinners. Only one man (the Father made flesh), was perfect. Mary played an important role in the Bible, yes. However, the whole point of Mary being chosen was to show how miraculous things can come from imperfect people. Mary being a virgin only was to show that God can do anything.
Truly, I believe it's beautiful how God can pick a poor peasant woman to have the honor of bearing Yeshua (Jesus). If she were perfect, it'd make it feel a whole lot less special to be honest.
@@ThisSaintsTheory Christ allowed slavery in his times and was quiet about it
@@cringekiller348 its a point worth considering
When I first watched the show and saw Canute basically becoming an antichrist, I noticed how his logic involves this idea that God is just up in heaven looking down on our sad state of affairs and judging us for what we do in it. I think this mistakes the whole point of the incarnation, that the Son of God became man and entered into our disfunction, ultimately so that he could redeem it (which is the point of the resurrection). It was something Abp. Fulton Sheen once said: God became man precisely so we could never say “does God know what it is to suffer?” Jesus was born into poverty, experienced hunger, threat, grief, mental agony, physical harm, death, and humiliation. This I think is very smart writing regarding Canute, since it’s fitting for an antichrist character.
When Canute starts doing everything he can in service to his plan of creating a utopia, he is making it within a world that is inherently broken. No matter how much he tries, eventually everything he built will crumble (as history bears out). This is why “utopia” literally means “no place,” and why a true utopia is something we won’t have until the end of time.
Just how we can't experience true love until death .
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True and may Allah guide us all
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continue to allow God to work through you bro
Amen brother! We got a Fulton Sheen fan here! I had the same interpretation for Canute. He totally missed the point of the Gospel in believing his beliefs about God. The whole point of Christ was to let us know that God did suffer and know what it was like to be a human being. That's part of the redemption process. I guess Canute is this world's manifestation of "Berserk" themes/philosophy.
The slave arc hits me more , when snake reads a bible and thorfin listening on it
i made this video prior to season two so i may need to make a video on it once it concludes
@@ThisSaintsTheory stumbled upon your channel because I have been drawn to this show due to the religious themes and the fact that a couple years ago I split ties with the LDS church. I would very much appreciate if you would put out a part two to this video around the content and comment of the person above and where season two has taken us. I have spent a lot of time in the gym and reading other philosophers, and I am in this weird limbo, where I try not to call myself a Christian, but I also don’t like identifying as an ex Mormon, and I have really been in an observer mode of Sorts, feeling impacted by what I am watching on the screen unfold in Vinland saga, as well as other items/articles that I have read recently.
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I would urge you to consider looking into Eastern Orthodoxy. I'm not orthodox myself, but the more I read and learn the more at home I feel.
I heard the orthodox teachings were more pure teachings in terms of the monotheistic understanding of which Jesus (a.s) had but I would say you should search for Islam as it not only corrects the understanding of Jesus as a miracle and mighty messenger of God but that God is one all powerful and be sent many messengers before prophet Jesus and the final after prophet Jesus, prophet Muhammad SAW for verily no man can see God as mentioned in the Bible also in the Qur'an were it remains unchanged following the our monotheistic teachings.
With season 2 out i think this bible quote sits well MATTHEW 5:43-44 “you have heard it was said to love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but i tell you love you enemies and pray for those who persecute you”
Your video is amazing, I'm agnostic (I used to be Catholic), every religion has their good points, and Vinland Saga never fails to remember me (especially the second season) the things I really like about christian's way to approach life
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This show made me a Christian belief in god is secondary belief that anyone is capable of redemption is a hard pill to swallow for most. And I don’t blame them how can you possibly show forgiveness and even compassion for someone who killed your children or committed sexual violence against you.
It is next to impossible to achieve this and that’s why Jesus had to die on the cross. That we carry the love of Christ within ourselves to bear the burden of true universal love.
This is just my opinion, I’m open to discussion
@@kekero540 Read The Kingdom of God is within You by Lev Tolstoy. I started it just a week ago, but this is exactly what it is about, and was created at a time when just saying this got him banned in his own country despite his achievements as a novelist. It is also the book that inspired the entire life's work of Mahatma Ghandi, who was a devout Hindu yet acted more true to these principles than any self-proclaimed church leader of the past millenium. It is staggeringly hard to decipher the essence of what Jesus taught, but it is in no way unexpected through all the mythicisation that was done to his life, through what has been done through the era from Constantine when the church made it into an institution to justify war and corruption all the way to present day when people declare it outdated.
You are so right about this. I would also like to add that is also not about living up to these impossible standards, but rather the process of getting closer and closer to the ideal, to rising above yourself as an instinctual being and reaching towards the divine, the capability for universal love you can find within yourself, the Kingdom of God. That is why Jesus dined with the prostitutes and tax collectors while condemning the actions of the priests, even though the latter is more righteous. It is why the shepherd goes after the one lamb instead of the ninety-nine, and why the father welcomes the prodigal son back. Everyone is capable of redemption, and they are the ones who need the teachings the most. To pray for the eternal damnation of one's enemy is the highest renounciation of Jesus' teachings.
@@kekero540 😂 Christianity is evil, it's a scam and it's a nonsensical fairy tale.
I recommend watching " The Shack" It's a beautiful movie and shows an interesting way of seeing a lot of what you're talking about. It made me think about it in a different approach!
Redemption is between a sinner and God we have you have no duty to forgive. Men are not redeemers God is.
Hey I just wanted to add it's actually the Welsh that look forward to king Artorias, as the danish/Vikings look forward to Ragnarok. Askeladd is half Welsh which is why he knows it.
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Askeladds spirit is all Welsh tho. He hated the Danes.
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Power is to enforce your will upon others. Strength is to enforce your will over yourself. And truly strong people, are kind.
I am not a christian. But i do align myself with the ideals of Jesus. If you have the ability to help someone then your are obligated to do so, not a single living being on this planet deserves to suffer.
I beleieve this is why the genre of seinen resonate so much with me. These strong individuals learning to love, and be loved. The embody the qualities of prophets and deities that we wish we had in ourselves. That to invoke any kind of predjudice is a true poison to this world.
I really respect the amount of effort and writing you put into this. However I feel that the idea that one cannot be considered "Christian" in the traditional sense (meaning little christ, as in imitator of christ.) completely misjudges what those in Jesus' time considered being a Christian to truly be, men corrupt the idea of what it means to follow Jesus and always will, but to say "No one is truly a Christian" is far too broad of a statement with very little clarification. The primary governing idea of being "Christian" is to follow Christ, the root of the term itself does not translate to "Christ" it means "Little Christ". As a child learns from their father, inherits his traits, yet lacks the ability to properly image him perfectly, so we are we in relation to God.
To this end, the entire idea of being a Christian, is, was, and continues to be a recognition of the impossibility to be image God correctly, and therefore accepting his fully atoning sacrifice, and loving others out of love for him, growing more like him each day. Nietzsche has moments of clarity, but misunderstands many elements of what makes Christianity what it is.
The distinction between Latter Day Saints and other groups such as Protestantism is not simply a checklist or a bigoted, exclusivity race, it is the recognition that the revelation about Jesus revealed in the LDS teachings diverge from the Jesus in the new testament so fundamentally, that they came from different places, and for different purposes, and so, they are different gods, one can pick up a stone, dub it "Christ" and claim "I believe in Christ.", such is the difference between Joseph Smith's Christ and the historical Christ.
This is not an issue of exclusivity or bigotry or power, it is a categorical, historical opposition in regards to the identity of Jesus of Nazareth, and the issue of a "True" or "Fake" Christian is in the same vein as the previous point, yes, if a "Christian" is one who perfectly images Christ, there is only one Christian, but if a Christian is what the actual religious group itself has historically always been (at least in their roots), *even* if people in religious power have attempted to redefine it overtime, then anyone who recognizes they can not achieve the definition of "Christian" you and Nietzsche presented, yet still love God, believe in his resurrection and the person he claimed to be, they become Christian by rejecting Nietzche's Christianity and embracing the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, the true man and God.
Just to cover my bases, (not implying you implied what I am about to state, to clarify.) The idea that we cannot truly know what Christ the man meant through his words is hearsay, it is not a matter of telephone, or subjective interpretation, but rather a historical study, the golden standard for historical record.
I simply feel that in your (genuinely brilliant) writing, you have confused what Christ himself and the early church understood being a Christian to be, Vinland paints a beautiful picture of man's depravity (not calvinistic total depravity.), and how one who hasn't the capacity to sin is closer to the beauty of God himself, who in essence cannot sin. A beautiful philosophy that only serves to uphold what Christ sacrificed in order that we may be fully atoned for, LDS theology, as i'd be remissed to assume you're unfamiliar with (not meant as a sly joke, tone is hard!) disagrees with this notion, and claims Christ's sacrifice only existed to atone for you "after all you have done". This is a version of Christ, but it most certainly was not the historical Christ, whether one is religious or not.
Hope none of that was too rude! I really don't mean to be, religious studies is just a hyperfixation of mine, nothing but love!
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Nietzsche just didn't like the thought of everyone being forgiven regardless of how atrocious the crime. As long as they put their faith in Christ, then they are to be saved.
The fundamental foundation of being a Christian is that you can't be a hypocrite when you put your faith in Christ. Sure you may have shortcomings but only you and the Lord know if you've turned against Him or not. That's why He died for us in the first place, to forgive us for our shortcomings, to offer us a connection with God and have eternal life.
Nietzsche couldn't understand that Christians simply believed that God knows truly what's in our hearts, and the ones that feel most undeserving of God's mercy are the ones saved.
@@Swack you are also my friend btw
My friend, you have a very wrong view on Christianity taken from people who either never read the word of God (the Bible) or from people who read it and do not understand it. My best advice is to read it yourself and read healthy commentary for what you do not understand.
Please do not believe the whole "kingdom of God is within you" and that its "an experience of the heart".
To clear the misunderstanding, Luke 17:21 talks about the kingdom of God being in "the midst of you" (you reffering to the pharisees who asked Jesus when is the kingdom of God coming) - and that means that the rightful king of the kingdom of God is right there in front of them (Lord Jesus), but they did not accept Him because the Bible says "the mind of the flesh is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God" (Romans 7:8) as Jesus is God in the flesh.
And to explain why its not an experince of the heart: Human heart is "deceitful above all things, and incurable" (Jer. 17:9) and that includes both me and you. People do not accept God and the fact that He will rightfully judge us after death for all our sins (lying, stealing, adultery, lust, greed, hate etc.) because of the same reason a thief does not want to be near a policeman.
What Jesus did for us on the cross is the only way to escape judgement, through His death and resurrection people can be saved (and that is through faith, not of works lest no one boasts, in other word its Gods grace - Ephe. 2:8,9). Also the Bible condemns anyone who calls themselves a Christian and waits for His kindom without listening and following the teachings of Jesus in their lives because faith without works is dead.
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I don't remember the priest learning about Askeladd as well as the Vikings worshipping Lucius Artorius aka King Arthur. I have yet to watch the anime but from my readings of the manga, I don't recall those details. I think a better comparison is the Vikings willingness to die in battle because they want to go to Valhalla and serve as eternal warriors with Odin. Also the Vikings would mention Ragnorok, aka the end, throughout the series. I feel that's a good juxtaposition between the 2 groups in the anime/manga.
I never said the vikings worshiped king Arturius, just that they long for his return.
@ThisSaintsTheory it was only the pirate leader Askeladd and the Welsh that let his band of pirates through who considered that. Askeladd eventually proclaimed himself Lucius Artorius
@@jvegajr95 noted
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From someone who was watching this series to get ready for S2, i forgot about the debates of God in S1. When i saw it I thought of how amazing they did with it. The thought and rebukes of the lord are accurate to human nature and trials. Nitce is like a lot of modern Christian’s who frankly never heard what Jesus said was next. At our church right now we are doing a series on the now and what we belive is the Christian way of life. Vinland Saga accurately shows the horrors of the modern Church and in reality the history of the leaders of our faith. We are not told to judge yet we innately judge others on their life! If Jesus is real than why do Christian’s not know of our need to be like him? We are sadly human who will die, wether you belive or not does not change that. Vinland Saga to me shows the current reputation of so-called Christ followers and the hurt they have displayed. You did a great job with this video it inspired me to deeply reflect, thank you
Its good to know that, the only stated fact in the humanity; is that Jesus existed.
@@TipoIrritable that’s not a fact Jesus’s existence is highly disputed among historians
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It's a fact, what hiatorians diapute about is the exact date and even year of its born.
@@Struggler-e6hIt's a fact, jesus existence has more evidence to it than pythagoras
Jesus existed and he was a messenger of God verily the truth is a fact and those who oppose it are coming from a place of arrogance we ask Allah to guide is all ameen.
Vinland Saga manages to get its messages across from both a religious and non-religious POV. It clearly displays different religions from the time period it's set in. Religion has been a huge part of history in all cultures. So if Vinland Saga avoided showing religion, it would be completely detached from the setting. But it shows the teachings of religion from a more general stand-point.
For your own sake drop the show now, it gets more and more woke as it goes on and is very athiest and anti christian, before in season 1 it was as well but it gets more athiest.
you have no enemies
Not in the next life, but in this life as long as Satan exists there will always be evil so it's our duty to stand up and oppose it.
With that said we are still called to forgive them.
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."
-Ephesians 6:12
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Proverbs 19:3
A person’s own folly leads to their ruin, yet their heart rages against the LORD.
St. Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69-155 AD): “Let us fix our eyes on the blood of Christ and the suffering that He endured, and let us wash ourselves in His baptism, and let us be strengthened in the power of the Holy Spirit.” (Letter to the Philippians 9:1)
What was the name of the music in the 1:12
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I can't remember the song you pointed to but I know it came from the first season of Vinland Saga
This was a very interesting video, thank you for sharing hour perspective. Would be interested in hearing any thought you had over season 2 once it has concluded.
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I respectfully disagree with your points of the second coming in relation to sloth. It has been historically a wrong mindset, but looking at the shifts more broad understandings of theology across the denominations, answers in predestination and man's original sin fully debunk any ideas of what man deserves in life and what to expect to change. The ongoing theme protestants have fought for centuries, is the idea of grace, not works in salvation. That does not in any means create laziness, there is a sense of piety and duty in the "earthly city". The second coming of christ is not in any way meant to relieve and make our earthly lives better, it is a timer for a reset, when everything of old is gone and the new can spring forth. And it is not an easy trial. Emphasis is put on the sword, the suffering of Christian life, yet too often do people forget or refuse to acknowledge it.
That was beautiful, the story of Vinland Saga is truly a beautiful one… a priest trying to teach the mindless brutes love, a king baffled by the will of god and most of all the searching not for a reason to be and a understanding of what it is not to be!😮💨😮💨😮💨
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@@ThisSaintsTheory oh, my apologize there friend😅 I didn’t see you messaged me, yeah i will on hundred percent do so, as a norwegen man and a guy who believes in Åsatru (Norse Mythology) i feel like i can semi understand the mindset of certain characters and find some kind of messed up relatability to them! Anyways this video was great and i hope to see more of you, i am Subbing to you! And this might just be my favorite deep dive into Vinland Saga… it even helped me further understand my Gods in Åsatru! So for that i thank you man!👍👍👍 and Skål til deg min venn, mange takk og inntil vi møttes igjen!🍺🍺🍺
Vinland saga isn’t a anime it’s a masterpiece
such a well constructed video essay. thank you so much for this, my mind on my religion has improved so much
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Would it be appropriate to sing along to meat loaf song "i Would do anything for love (but i won't do that)" as a complaint breather?
Where is the last quote by Nietzsche from?
Brother you got 3 things mixed up. The Welsh are the ones who believe in the return on Artorius, and he isnt in Vinland. He IS on an island so far too the West it cant be reached, which is a paradise free from hate and war and age and sickness and death.
The Vikings believe in Ragnarok, the end of days.
The christians believe in the 2nd coming.
And Thorfinn believes in Vinland, a land far to the West that is a paradise free of war and slavery and hate
Vinland saga shows the similarity between all of these and parallels them as a sort of ubiquitous human longing for the world of strife and suffering we find ourselves in, and even create. Despite our own machinations creating the worst institutions like slavery and war, our hopes and dreams collectively wish for a single day, a hero or an event that all at once will judge us for our wrongdoing and being divine punishment upon us for all we have rought.
I absolutely love this video. Im 29, an age where all you do is think about how youre about to be 30, and think back on all the ways youve wasted your youth. 12 years ago I thought this much, so philosophically. I had forgotten. You, a very intelligent young man, have reminded me of those days of philosophy and seeking true knowledge. Im ashamed to have forgotten, but happy someone could remind me.
I need more content like this in the world so please keep making it
I'm going to be sure to remember your points for when I make a video on season 2
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5:20 Moses didn't create God. In fact, if it wasn't for God Moses would never have been able to lead the Israelites out of captivity in the first place.
Beautiful video, I loved every second
thanks
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I don't linke Nietzsche very much for his unwillingness and pessimist aproach to life. If GOD didn't rise from the dead. Why so many Saints and Apostles died for a lie( which is impossible for a man willing to loose his life for something he doesn't believe in)?
Nihilist are for my personal viewpoint just cowards[no offense] trying to stay in their little dark corner and being affraid of the dangers of the outside world. Or foolish going in their life trying with their own terms to make sense of all of it. Impossible.
And you know what makes a Christian a Christian?
Trying to be better every day not for yourself or anybody here, but for GOD so he can show you the Real love he gave us initially. And for eternity
I would argue that Nietzche's whole philosophy is not pesimistic at all. But a constant fight against nihilism. His philosophy is to say yes to life and reject any imaginary afterlife.
People die all the time for no reason. That's the way of the world. You call it cowardice to accept the nothingness beyond our perception, but I call it bravery. What I think is cowardice is hiding behind fanciful ideas that there is a powerful man that will make everything okay and that's why death truly isn't something to fear. Hide from what is ultimately a fear of death behind the idea that there is something more that you can earn a greater reward for your actions or greater punishment. The truth is we have no reason to believe this, people simply accept what they're told when they're young and since it's ingrained so young they never even think to question it and then they've become old and now it's become such a part of their life that they've committed so much to how could they ever let go and this is I think the problem most religious people have, they very easily identify any number of other religions and mythologies however when it comes to their own stories even when faced with the fact many of their religious texts are ripped straight from pagan religions. That's all religion has really had to offer, a sense of superiority for people desperately afraid of death. Countless people still die today over which magic man they think controls everything. The nihilist has no need for such gratuitous violence. The nihilist can simply exist in the world as it is acceptg it as it is.
You didn’t really read Nietzsche did you?
Rejecting hereafter is a sign of arrogance as if to know I know what they do not futile to benefit at this stage
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Vinland is supose to be canada not United states. Its an actual place where the real leif arrived
Is vinland saga insulting Christian religion...?
I'm muslim by religion but i won't tolerate insulting any religion
After watching some lines of Canute i thought they're insulting Christian that's why i searched this video for further explanation....?
I wouldn’t say the goal of the show is to insult but to simply provide essential criticisms for improvement.
Canute is not so much insulting religion, as he is flat out rejecting it. Just my take. However, I also think Canute is wrong, and I think that on some level he is written to be wrong. He thinks that he can make a Utopia here on earth, but like so many throughout history who have made such promises, season 2 shows that he is willing to kill and use others to achieve his goals. He might have good intentions, but the path to hell is paved with good intentions as the saying goes.
You should check out my video on season 2 then because I cover all that stuff.@@cptndunsel2670
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Many people misused Christianity to oppressed people and political gain.
The thing about being with jesus is about a relationship with him ,its not with people its either you and him ,or he lets you be by yourself that's why hey gave us free will ,but since we ignore the lord ,he will not open the doors when this life comes to a pass ,he gave us all the time in the world ,God can intervene , but then that wouldn't be free will
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Ehhhh this all stretches the definitions of love, freedom, slavery, faith into things they're not.
While it's true there's an anti-intellectualism problem among Christians, that doesn't necessarily make them immoral.
Also, there's a lot about Christ you left out:
-Christ had the Devil as his enemy and made it ours.
-Christ said "I've not come to unite, but I've come to divide, family member against family member." After all, Truth is offensive. It will always divide.
-Christ called us to forgive others, not be vengeful or envious of their lot.
-Christ never said "don't protect your home".
-Apostle Paul said "our war is not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities"
The freedom expressed in Christ is only doable by taking the _whole_ of Christ's law into account, and not becoming too apollonian or worried what philosophers might say.
I still appreciate the video, it is thoughtful and does make me think. But those stretched definitions are an issue. Therefore, many so-called Christians are still followers of Christ.
Jesus is King. Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ. Jesus was not a Christian but a Jew. I honestly disagreed with everything in this video but I love the show.
Catholic church was not founded by Christ were did you get that from
@@crimsonweeps the Bible, mathew 16
@@sethlikes2lift i don't recall
@@crimsonweeps (Mathew 16:18)
And I also say to you that you are Peter(Peter means rock in Greek and Jesus changed his name from Simon to Peter) , and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
@@sethlikes2lift I don't see the connection to the Roman Catholic
Bro really said canook and willimbard 😅 3:46
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Let’s gooooooooo thorfinn the goat isn’t Christian
The show is still heavily Christian based
@@fortunesproverbsits very anti christian and athiest. You should drop the show now cause you wont like the direction it takes.
@@lampad4549I don't know, the "You have no enemies" quote is quite literally a foot note of "Love your enemies" that Jesus Christ taught... the reading of the Bible in the series and Thorfinn character change from a blood thirsty kid, to a doormat says a lot about the creators intention with the show.
I think what would help you realise what the writer's intention with the series is by looking at who Thorfinn is based off "Thorfinn Karlsefni" and then go on to read about Thorfinn's son and how he brought Christianity to Iceland
Canute turned around his dream. Love it. Well done on the video!
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I'm sorry, I got confused. Are you Anti-Christ? Do you hate the current Christianity?
I don't hate christianity. I just recognize that there are many problematic things about it.
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Lots of comments missed the point of this video smh
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Yeah I stopped watching it after they went off full-blown anti christianthanks for confirming it I left off at episode 16 When they were torturing the Christian all the way not enough enough Did the same thing with the TV show show go this anti-christian stuff is just annoying at this point
Damn who knew christians can be such snow flakes
I was not expecting what this video actually was. Good job.
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My interpretation is that Nietzsche respected Christ more than any other Christian, but was still opposed to the philosophy of Christ entirely. Hence why Nietzsche considered himself the Antichrist; not because he hated Christ, but because Christ's philosophy was the antithesis of Nietzsche's own.
Also, regarding the title 'The Antichrist', Nietzsche uses the word 'Antichristen' in other places which clearly must mean 'anti-christian', but the title uses the word 'antichrist'. I think it is very plausible this is what Nietzsche meant.
Other than that, this is a fantastic video, and I'm certain Nietzsche would agree with your analysis that Christ himself was indeed Beyond Good and Evil.
Both Vids of yours have interesting point, while i see vinlad as crypto Christian. Ebeeing slave to sin is a very well showned in vinlad, many quotes even thors thata real warrior doesnt need sword is very close to Jesus were His Word is a Sword. Many moments is S1 were thorfin was told that somehow he feels as he is a slave to a slave girl on the ship. Cnute thinking to be a better than God, falling and becoming a scum of a leader. Neitz unfortunelty had a very bad understanding of theological Christianity and based his philosophy on the common view of common ppl and it showes very well in his book, alo his ideas inspired hitler very much. but overall every perspective is required to understand someting deeply
Thank you so much for sharing your view. As a protestant Christian I'm extremely interested and open to hear people's doubts and point of views. I don't have a lot of background to profoundly debate or anything, but I try my best.
This video is an amazing addition to what I have watched so far, and I really liked how Vinland Saga portraits both Christians and Vikings with their flaws and also good things. My main prayer is that the Church, with capital C to include all the Christians from different backgrounds and denominations, to be open for what the world is saying and to find in God, maybe not the answers, but a way of us Christians living as Jesus gave the example.
My responsability is to make Earth more similar to my belief of Heaven/Paradise.
Thank you again for your work to make this video
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This is amazing
How do u even get this detailed with a video.. I appreciate the work out towards this
@@domyancy6349 I wonder that myself
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TL DR all is to say about this video. Too convoluted wording and phrasing, and that to remotely understand it you even have to understand or know and understand meaning of quotes and paraphrases from Bible and Nitzshe. But yea, you can understand some portion of narrative, kinda. Couldn't you word your ideas and phrases more simply and that it not requires a bunch of prior knowledge?
Nah thats christians communicate the less you understand the better.
Actually i find Christian Phiolosofy in Vinland Saga.
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You didn't really talk about Valhalla, I might know but can you tell me what you think about the reward for vikings. Valhalla sounds good but limited.
I am speaking from arrogance but it could well be a messenger like previous messengers calling group of people to God claiming paradise is were they should strive for as God sends messenger to every nation so they do not get a chance to complain , so ye could be translated to Valhalla which is were they seem funny enough most concept of God gets destroyed over time but helped those who heard the pure monotheistic message at the time
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He calls Canute "Canuke" and mistakes Askeladd's story of Artorius for a Norse folk hero....😂
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Geez.., you got technical ..,
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Beautiful video
Slavic X
Scandinavian/nordic and western european O
But wow, as a self proclaimed christian, this was enlightening
His wrong about some stuff in his rant
@@cilokin2485 can you list some stuff he's wrong about? I want to do research
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I’m not a Christian but this was an amazing video and provided more perspectives to watch this show with and think about. I appreciate it
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I think you need to rewatch the series or re-read the manga cause you got a lot of things confused.
go on
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You throw around a lot of big words and ideas. But you say them from a place of cynicism. If the Holy Spirit, the Helper who guides the body of Christ, does not will your words, then they are twisted--partial truths. Consider this, Jesus and his disciples brought swords to the garden. Why?
This man, as well as the mangas author are clearly not believers. Why would I take the word of a non believer in matters of theology.
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I feel better now that I have forgave and loving my enemies:)
Yes a great thing for some ranfom person on youtube to do.
This was rlly good. Keep it up!
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Pretty great video, I agree so much. I would love to see a look into the second season as well, as I think that really ties everything together. I refer to Vinland Saga (in the inclusion of season 2) as the more Christian anime I have ever seen, when it honestly barely even mentions such in the second season. Completely unironically Vinland saga has let me accept Christ into my heart. I am not religious, and much like Nietzche, I agree with christ but not the way the church carries out his message, nor how god allows and condemns any souls. But I have never agreed with Christ more than I have today.
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Cant we enjoy something without injecting politics into it. Sjws and woke people have been doing it and now christians so 😢😢 is no place safe from agendas?
Btw for your own sake drop the show now, it is not christian at all it leans more and more athiest as it goes on cause writer himself is athiest.
You aren’t a Christian
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love is death is the most hypocritical bullcrap i even hear
That's not what Willibald was saying at all. He's not saying that death is love in itself. What Willibald was trying to say is that in dying we are finally able to exist in a state in which "Agape" is possible. He believes that no human is capable of love in its most pure form due to the original sin, though God compels us to attempt to embody it anyway.
Vinland Saga's core message is about attempting to pursue a place to live in which people have a chance to attempt to reacquire that love without being taken advantage of by "loveless" people.
Your last paragraph is intriguing to me as a Christian as this basically says “seek heaven.” Heaven is that place where there are no loveless people, where in fact “love itself” (God) is most present. The saints are the ones who have embodied the love of Christ in their lives, and the damned are those who are entirely cut off from it; this is why people like St Francis of Assisi or St King Louis IX are canonized while people like Pope Benedict IX are not (that’s not to say Benedict IX is for sure damned, only God knows, but he’s not held up as a good example). I’m Catholic if it wasn’t obvious.
The care and respect that the author shows for cultures that are not his own is absolutely incredible. His research goes deep, and the ways he finds to incorporate the values of many different people into the message he's trying to get to the audience is astonishing. I'm not sure if you're a manga reader or caught up to the anime so I'll try not to get too spoilery. That idea of attempting to create an analogue of heaven on earth, and the proper way to go about creating it, are for sure the big theme of the second season/arc.
Yukimura truly believes that if we could all agree to give up violence that the world could become this idea of a new paradise. You can see it in the earnest way he discusses his themes in interviews. I don't think that anime will change the entire philosophy of humans as a whole, but I do wish that more people would consume his stories and really internalize the lesson he's attempting to teach.
@@TryingExtraHard did you not read it
true heaven is after death not in living why
because man cannot create heaven on earth
@@killianmiller6107 exept he does not talk about heaven but love in general as apathy
This was good
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I think is more of an adventist or protestant's ideology the concept of eternal hell for good people which isn't converted.
Adventists dont believe in hell.
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Far as i know the concept of eternal torture is mostly something that the church made. Jesus in the Bible implies that those who don't get saved are throw into the lake of fire and have their definitive death of soul.
By this, i'd assume that "eternal torture" is not really a part of it but rather the complete erasing of your existence as a whole
Or at least that's my interpretation.
@@renren47618 what I mean is that I haven't heard any Catholic or Jewish guy tell me "Japanese good citizens that don't believe in Jesus are condemned forever" no, they are good guys, just don't know Jesus