@@archwaytech would a shield 2019 pro or non when streaming true hd give me lossless atmos if hooked up to a earc capable soundbar arc only tv? only streaming kodi through 3rd party addons no nas or should i just stick with lossy and my 4k firestick max?
I explained this same information to a customer about a year ago. He was dead set against owning any physical media such as 4K UHD BluRays. I said ok, let's do a test. He said fine. I brought Mission Impossible: Fall-Out over as a UHD 4K Disc. I suggested he start playing the ending sequence with the hellicopters. He agreed. He streamed it and was happy. Told me it sounded amazing. I said, good. Now, let's check out the disc. So, I put in my disc and played the same sequence. His mouth dropped open. He looked at me with astonishment. After this test, he has been buying everything he can get on physical media. Plus the fact that once you buy it, you OWN it. They can't just decide to discontinue the app for your player and/or remove the movie/tv show you purchased online for whatever reason. Good video. Keep up the great work! Best Wishes!
Yes i agree to a certain degree but imagine the amount of money you have to invest in hard copy blu ray discs, then the space of storing them vs a monthly fee, plug and play. People’s circumstances are different & having physical media over streamed is becoming less likely to the majority. Even stores have stopped selling blu rays (not all) but most have empty shelves.
@@marvel626 can you detail on that please? Download from torrent and burn it on a blu-ray disc? I have a ps4 Pro. Will that send True HD to my dolby atmos soundbar through eArc once I play the blu-ray?
@@Adistar-gtm Usually it's easier to just play those files from a USB hard drive than burn it onto a bluray disc, but I'm pretty sure it is possible to burn them onto a disk, but if you have an mkv file you'd probably have to convert it first. And anyway I don't think the PS4 supports Dolby Atmos at all
True what people don't understand is that streaming the video and audio is compressed so DVD 1080p Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray is always going to be better. The majority of Dolby Atmos mixing audio is going to be bad cuz they were in a hurry to push out that new sound system
Probably has more to do with codecs or mastering. 500 KBPS audio is already more than what humans can hear. If it's done properly, you'll be unable to hear any difference. It's not like with image quality where there's a clear difference between between blu-ray and digital versions of the same movie.
Actually. Dolby True HD is a compressed format. BUT it’s compressed without any loss. It’s lossless compression. Because not compressed format has way to big amount of data.
Dolby TrueHD usually sounds better overall because of being lossless. But DD+ works well for streaming and I think it's nice that they provide this because then you can get Atmos from more content.
@@userwest626 Atmos can come in lossy format or lossless format, if you get Atmos from dolby digital plus you'll get it lossy, Atmos from a Dolby TrueHD track is lossless. Clear now?
It's disheartening that people don't know or care about better audio. Sound has always been that unseen factor that many a proclaimed "Cinephile" or home theater fans don't focus on when discussing and/ or recommending films for viewing and/or purchase. I think hardcore audiophiles either intimidate or turn off potential, casual enthusiasts with their expensive, high-end set ups. But I'll tell ya, for the same price as a decent 65"+ TV you can also get an adequate sound system as well(piecemeal). Personally, for me, sound comes first(is the audio track popping) then I worry about stuff like HDR/Dolby vision, 4k transfers and the like. Great sound is transformative. If you're doing it right, the actual air in your viewing space moves and make noise where the effect is happening on screen. Example: the scene where Spider-Man meets Electro in "No Way Home," if you close your eyes you can feel/hear the air in your room move with the various lightning strikes in the scene. People think great sound is about shaking/booming and clarity (when the volume is up) but I'll never forget when I finally found that magic calibration that made even the most mundane audio track sing. I'm rambling but here it is: DON'T FORGO PHYSICAL MEDIA FOR STREAMING(if you can afford no to).
We have a casual watching area in our family room with Sony Z9D & HT-A9 w/their bigger subwoofer and just use the new Apple TV 4K in there. For everything else, I use a Sony X 800m2 4K uhd player in my theater. 135” screen, denon 6500h running 7.2.4 (in-ceiling Atmos channels) in a light and sound controlled 16x18 room. The difference between streaming services and TrueHD is huge imo.
Great video on getting the best Atmos signal to the speakers, but that's only half the story. Many setups still have very stunted Atmos experience even with uncompressed formats because they use upfiring speakers or worse a soundbar with virtualized surround sound. Even with perfect surfaces for bouncing sound off ceilings (typically a condition to be avoided or minimize with acustic treatments) you get a very diminished effect compared to actual on/in-ceiling speaker placement. The difference is huge.
This mostly comes down to budget. Most customers will set a budget limit of X dollars and will simply not go above that amount no matter what. Then they just figure, "Whatever I can get for that amount of money is good enough for me."
I’ve always used actual removable media via my Panasonic UB-9000 or UB-900 connected to my Triniov Processor and 16 channel Perlisten setup. I’ve tested streams vs the actual disc and there’s clear differences in the dynamic range as well as object placement accuracy and this is using what’s at the moment the cutting edge of Atmos in home technology. Atmos from a sound bar is better than no Atmos at all, however the upward firing speakers depend greatly on the acoustical materials in the room as well as the actual in room performance of the bouncy house speakers which you can measure with a USB mic like a UMIK-1 and the free application REW. Switching from upward firing speakers to actual speakers placed according to the Dolby white paper is a night and day difference if you’re able to go to on/in ceiling speakers. I can’t do in ceilings but have had great success using on ceiling speakers.
Most people won't ever go to the trouble of installing in-ceiling speakers if their media room wasn't already set up with those when the house was built. So, they get as close as they can without having to perform any major surgery on the theater room.
There isn't such thing like "true atmos". All objects, which are 118 and not 128, can successfully reproduced with DD+ & TrueHD formats. Also there isn't such thing like "studio quality" in home entertainment. Just to mention that a Dolby Atmos full uncompressed 4 minutes music file is almost 4TB. Here we are talking about 2 hours movies. Also, it's impossible to reproduce Atmos content at homes the way it's reproduced in studios and commercial cinemas. At these places we have 118 individual objects and in our homes we have clusters of sounds. The Dolby renderer that process the objects inside home gear cannot reproduce 118 individual sounds. For that reason studio exports for home entertainment are 7.1.4 plus 20 objects. These 20 objects are more like clusters and not individual objects. The Dolby renderer inside ProTools "collects" sounds from "same directions" and reproduce them as one cluster. For that reason 5 let's say individual objects (that means 5 individual waveforms from different placements) will become one waveform for one (perhaps two) speakers. The final result is almost the same, but not studio or Cinema quality.
The home version of Atmos doesn't support 128 objects, only the theatrical version. The theatrical mix is converted down so that objects near each other are grouped together or pre-panned between static objects to keep the object count down to around 15. This is true for both streaming and disc, and the only difference is less precision/spatial resolution.
Neither version supports 128 objects. It’s a total of 128 channels, at least 9 of them being a 7.1.2 bed in theatrical, and at least 8 of them being a 7.1 bed in the home version (maybe you can do a 5.1 bed on the home version but I’ve never tried).. either way, not all 128 of those channels are available to be objects.
@@Polyh3dron Actually, it isn't "channels" at all with Atmos. It's objects. In the theatrical version, you still essentially have the legacy channels (meaning it uses all speakers in that zone of the array) but they are represented as the first 10 reserved objects in the interface. Those objects are zone-constrained, meaning the "side surround" object would play back from every speaker in the side surround zone. You then also have 118 steerable objects that can move between individual speakers (or if i assign the parameter, be limited to a particular zone). The "channels" would then be the number of speakers the renderer has available to output those objects irrespective of the number of objects used in the mix. The home version tends to max out at 15 objects for bandwidth/scaling purposes, but you are correct that 9 of them are dedicated to the defined channel positions. They aren't "channels" anymore though, as the renderer can shift them as needed based on the available speakers (so for instance, if you have 5.1.4, the object at the rear surround position in the mix outputs to the side surround channel but the object at the side surround position images between the L/R and side surrounds as if you had a speaker there). The LFE channel is carried over from the bed layer of the bitstream (and is technically the only thing strictly re-used from the bed layer) and doesn't use an available object. The DD+ version of Atmos for streaming actually does use a 5.1 bed. The point here being that the theatrical mix's 128 objects gets converted down for the home version such that it doesn't use more than 15 objects. You don't lose any of the object data in the process, since it is combined with other objects using grouping (and the occasional shift of objects in the defined channel positions off of their positions dynamically to hand off a sound to another adjacent object using pre-panning).
@@vadimkrylov 1. None of us have access to the theatrical mix to know. 2. The interface for the Atmos plugin literally has 128 objects with the first 10 reserved. Not a theory. It's what's available to the sound designer. 3. It doesn't matter for the home version of the mix because it all gets grouped down to about 15 objects anyway (or in many cases, 9 objects with pre-panning applied by the downconversion). 4. That last thing doesn't matter in a small space because you don't need the spatial resolution you would in a larger space to get the same effect.
Thanks for explaining this. I have definately heard a difference. Blueray seems far superior after trying the same film on prime and blueray. The base and dynamic range seemed far superior on disc. I guess its like you said, theres more data on the disc.
Absolutely true. Dolby and others channels upload videos supposedly with atmos formats, but youtube only encode/decode for 2 channels PCML. Otherwise you only get virtualized atmos but not real, like the soundbars or some phone with headphones does. I think we only get real dolby atmos in selected cinemas and nowhere else...
New Subscriber. Now that football is over, I’ll use the next 5 months catching up on the movies I missed. I learned more in this 5 minute video than I have learned in the past 4 months searching for a soundbar and sub. Its not flashy or overwhelming- just concise and simple.
People always ask, why you're taking the disc while it's on Netflix/Prime etc. Guess I'll send them this video over, so i don't have to explain over and over. Not only because of the better audio, also better picture quality. And My 4K Blu-Ray player has 2 HDMI outputs, one dedicated for audio only , also an improvement over the Audio/Video HDMI. One can do the Video, the other goes into the AVR Audio only..
Love your videos. I’m not an audiophile but I’m searching for the best sound I can get in my modest movie room with a decent UST projector so I find your straightforward and accessible information really useful. So thanks from Ireland 👍🏻
Thanks Kevin. I really appreciate that feedback. Which UST projectors have you been looking at? I setup a Samsung Premiere a couple months ago and they’re an awesome mix between a Smart TV and projector but very pricey. There’s definitely other more budget options from the likes of Benq that will give you an awesome picture without the smarts.
@@archwaytech I’ve the xiaomi 4K and I’m currently using a Yamaha 5.1 but due to the layout of the room I’ve only ever been able to use it’s virtual cinema front layout (all speakers at the front of the room) I’m about to get the Samsung 950a as I think it’ll be the best bang for my buck.
Pretty simple test will be to just play the 4k disc on a set volume level. Lets say at 10. Then stream the same movie at level 10. You will notice a difference. The stream will not me as loud as the player if they are set to the same volume level.
At the risk of offending many, I would say that the true Home theater purists are always so defensive in proving that true Cinematic Atmos experience only comes from having a multi speaker setup and are quick to bash soundbars in general. Truth is that majority of the general audience cannot differentiate between true lossless vs lossy, DD+ vs Atmos vs Dolby True HD unless specifically comparing both streams side by side. Soundbars with dedicated rears, upfiring speakers from mid range and above can do a great job for providing a good cinematic audio experience at home without the hassles of multi speaker setup, tuning in a limited space. Test /Demo products in your price bracket yourselves, read the spec sheets for ensuring feature set required and decide rather than blindly following any online advice n disregarding any type of systems due to preconceived notions by the golden ears! Cheers.
If you're using a soundbar you're not getting Dolby Atmos [or even True HD] period. Individual, properly placed speakers are essential to Atmos and any other discrete surround format.
Hi I wonder to know is ps5 Blu-ray Disc able to handle true hd without passing through pcm? Cause Apple TV seemed to be functioning through pcm. Plus, ps5 can be a Blu-ray player except for the Dolby vision or some unspecific details, right?
The only way to passthrough Dolby TrueHD / DTS Master Audio tracks with a PS5 is if you set your Blu-ray player app to output Bitstream. This is how I’ve been able to watch my 4K Blu-rays on my console, minus the niceties like dynamic HDR formats (HDR10+/Dolby Vision.)
I have the idea the main reason eArc exists is because of license and encrytion certificate handshakes. HDMI by itself was long time capable of pass through of high bitrate content. So it is mainly a money-making and anti-copy tech, not for audio quality. My majority of Blu Rays are DTS-MA at 3000kbps, and that is plenty of sound quality without too complex codecs, so they can be decoded freely into 192kHz 32bit PCM when needed.
HDMI has a transfer rate so far beyond what is needed. HDMI 2.1 is 48Gbps that's laughably beyond the overhead you could ever need for audio with 8k resolution video even at frame rates beyond the 24 that tv/movies are filmed at(8k @24fps requires just shy of 18Gbs). 192khz 24 bit audio has a bitrate of 9216 kbps which is significantly better quality than what 99.9% of audio that makes it into the hands of consumers (cd quality is only 1,411 kbps). This is literally a bullshit product that only exists to milk customers due to the lack of information. This isn't the only bullshit being peddled here and in general in this area of consumer electronics.
Good video. In talking to an audio store owner even on my Sonos Arc I probably won’t be able to tell the difference in Atmos over DD+ vs True. He said if you have dedicated height channels with isolated speakers then yes it makes a difference. So knowing that and most things are via streaming I’m fine with DD+ Atmos for now. I debated getting a HD fury but for the time being I just switch to my Roku for Atmos over ARC and switch back to my Apple TV when it doesn’t have Atmos since Atmos will work via DD+ over ARC. Maybe one day when I get an eARC tv I will see if I can tell a difference.
Good job in informing people who might not know this. Itunes/HBO max atmos movies do not hold a candle to a proper blu ray atmos. Best example is the Godzilla and Kong movies. GvK was horrible on HBO max while it shaked my house and was so much more dynamic on blu ray. HBO max one sounded so stale.
I used to watch & rewatch John Wick 2 & 3 streaming. Then I brought it and rewatched it OMG the rain scenes & the shootout scene in part 2. I actually hear blood splatter ewwwww
Great job explaining the various aspects of ATMOS, but one major thing is missing. Considering you are presenting on UA-cam, where there are many ATMOS demo's and test tracks that people are naturally going to try to use to test their own ATMOS setups, it is important to let your followers know that UA-cam down mixes those ATMOS demo's into plain vanilla STEREO which obliterates the ATMOS information. I recall after getting my ATMOS system attempting to test using these bogus UA-cam ATMOS demos and test tracks and thinking something was wrong with my system. After doing a bit of digging I learned what I was doing wrong, using UA-cam as my test source. I eventually found some websites with ATMOS tracks, downloaded them and they play wonderfully using my computer Windows Movie and TV player app. Also note, that not all Windows video players are equal either, some can play ATMOS, some can't. Be sure to watch the display on your ATMOS receiver to see what works and what doesn't.
First video of yours that I've come across. Good video, detailed and simplified making it easy to understand, this was everything I already knew from doing heap of research before goingwith my sonos setup but this video would have been great back then. I'm running the set up with the HDFury for my earc port always back physical media over streaming. I'm lucky I have a 100mbps internet speed and feel that I'm getting close to physical media 4k and atmos sound through streaming but again, if I can go with physical media I would everytime.
Makes perfect sense now. No wonder when I was streaming it off the Series X it sounds more fuller/richer as compared to running it off the TV app itself. Thanks and keep up the awesome content.
"Streaming it off..." So you mean you streamed the same movie on the TV app and the Xbox from the same streaming service? Mate, you compared DD+ to DD+. There is no Dolby TrueHD in streaming, only DD+
There is one thing you might not have noticed. Atmos is virtually non-existent on Blu-Ray. UHD Blu-Ray, absolutely. For example, none of the Marvel Studios titles have Atmos on the BD, only on the UHD-BD. So you need a UHD Blu-Ray Player along with the discs to appreciate the best that Atmos can offer for the home. The difference is night and day between Atmos on hard media vs streaming, but it isn't as simple as it sounds. Even plex requires ripping UHD Blu-Ray which takes up roughly twice the space and streaming bandwidth on your network and in many cases poses other difficulties.
I did try it and I don't get it - is DTS plus compress it like mp3 is compressed compered to flac or is it compressed dynamic? From my experience it is compressed dynamic and I much prefere it over trueHD - sound from this is super agressive and it stears away attention from the movie itself to a sound. It might be different story in other enviroment tho. I use plex nvidia setup with 7.1 - no atmos for now but DTSvstrueHD comparison is still same.
TIDAL at this moment don't using DD+ Atmos, because this is lossy format, there are lossless music - mostly in FLAC (and Atmos is in a more undefined format (for ordinary user) )
I have HW-q800b soundbar with 2 extra rear speakers. Tris are conected with my qn90b tv with hdmi eARC. The question is… which format in my tv sound settings should i go.. PCM or AUTO?? Pls help
The problem is.. is that this video is just theory and not reality. The reality is that most people cannot hear the difference between lossless audio and lossy audio (assuming it's not trash quality lossy audio), even with the best equipment. There may be a very small audible difference for some content that some people could notice when making a direct comparison under ideal conditions. But fact of the matter is, is that no one is watching under ideal conditions outside of test situations as as such, no one is pretty much able tell any difference. And I'm not talking about home theater testing, but actual 100K+ studios specifically meant for it.
People will always choose convenience over quality every time. Or should I say Sheeple. They swallow all the sales pitches and think they have the next best thing. People buy huge tv's and take them home and don't give a second thought about on how to connect it for best sound and picture. They want small speakers, if any, with no cables and think that they can reproduce big cinema sound. They want to stream instead of buying the movies on discs which is still the best way to watch a film at home. Caleidoscope not counted since it is WAY over priced.
If I downloaded an atmos blueray film from torrentz and save it to a computer, can i just connect the hdmi from computer to earc atmos soundbar to get atmos experience? I have samsung q990b soundbar.
I recently bought a firestick to play Atmos content from Amazon.... there's like NO Atmos content on Amazon, you can't even stream Amazon music in Dolby digital surround if you set your firestick to best sound available, you manually have to switch to D.D. surround otherwise all the music will be streamed stereo, what a bummer.... (I have a Denon 3700H 7.1.4 setup)
If I buy the following setup, will I be getting the full potential out of 4k Blu ray movies? Visio 5.1 m512a-h6 surround sound, a LG CX (or newer C1) OLED TV, and an Xbox Series X.
Can you explain the comment you made that for audio , you need to look for a player with “True HD “ labels on the device ? I am not that interested in video quality from a BluRay player , my TV is not high-end . However , I do want to obtain a player that gives me . the best Dolby Atmos transfer rates possible . A lot of the players I have Googled do not mention Dolby True HD . I do have eARC on the soundbar and the TV has ARC HDMI. I am mostly interested in music in Dolby Atmos .
This might be a stupid question but is there a difference in audio quality between the physical blu ray disc and the digital copy of the movie that came with it? It’s not exactly streaming since it’s saved locally but I always redeem the digital copy and just watch it the movies from the blu ray disc
I assume that playing the audio straight from the disc will always be superior to playing it over a digital copy. Since he mentions that the streaming and digital copy companies use compressed files to fit more on there servers. Imagine popping in a cd in your car stereo then playing that same album via bluetooth from your phone. im sure you will have to turn up the volume to reach the same sound level as the cd playing directly from the stereo.
1:19 bs none of this is bit for bit studio that is a total load of re-recording mixer hollywood mixers lies , they are mixes that have been tampered with into a near field , what you didn't know this
Hello thank you a lot for the videos, there are very interesting and clarify a lot of my questions. I would like to ask you a question that confuses me a lot. I have a Samsung qe65q70r (2019 model) and I would like to buy a q950a soundbar. Will I have Dolby Atmos sound by Netflix content? Because from what I have read Q70r has an ark HDMI port so does not support Dolby Atmos. In that case, if I will buy an Apple tv or google Chromecast tv and connect it to the soundbar, and the soundbar to the tv will I have the same result or it will improve the Dolby Atmos experience at all. In any case, have you any other suggestions - solutions for me? thank you in advance continue the nice quality work 😉
Comparing DD+ or TrueHD is unimportant if 80% of the releases use the 3D aspect in a few hand picket scenes over the whole movie. There are only a few very good mixes out there, the majority is bad. American Sniper, Transformers or San Adreas for example. And don't get me started on the problem of the German audience, where only every 4th US Dolby Atmos release gets a German atmos track. While you get D True HD we even only get DD 5.1, because there is a need to fit 15 other languages onto the disk too.
TRUE HD is important due to compression not because of 3D... Since both are capable of two axis surround sound the main benefit comes from the lossless audio either if it has enough "surround effects" or not that is irrelevant for the comparison.
For people who doesn't have full systems like 5.1 or 7.1, I think Apple TV 4K is the best for Dolby Atmos or even Dolby Vision and HDR for streaming. I compared my Apple TV 4K and that latest Nvidia Shield Pro 4K with streaming apps like Apple TV, Netflix, Amazon that supports Dolby Atmos movies on EARC and the Apple TV 4K sounds so much better than Nvidia Shield Pro 4K.
This comes up on my JBL 9.1 screen when I connect it to my Xbox series X/LG CX - Dolby Atmos Multi-Ch PCM. So no idea if what you are mentioning is available for my set up lol.
Hi, I have a query. I have a Q950A I am connecting the soundbar to an LG OLED via an ARC port. In one of the output ports of the soundbar I have connected an HDR 4K Fire Stick, is it more likely that the Dolby Atmos audio output going to be using DD+ as a base or Dolby True HD? Thanks in advance
Most streaming services use Dolby Digital Plus with Atmos MAT. It’s a lossy format. The lossless format is generally only available on an actual disc. I’ve watched John Wick 3 on both a streaming device and the actual UHD disc on a Panasonic UB-9000 A/B comparison style. There’s clear differences in not only dynamic range but overall quality in relation to the removable media.
Yeah well, I backup my Blu ray films and remove the Master HD audio because that often doubles the size of the files. My little Logitech computer 5.1 surround system is great!!! I mean, really great!!! Watching on my 75" TV from my movieJukebox PC is the best way to access my store bought movie collection. I get the best image quality that's about as good as Blu ray too... using Handbrake I save the video as an MP4 and reduce the file size from 20 or even 30+ GB to under 10 GB. And this way I can get over 600 films backed up on one 4 TB HDD.
I’m itching to get Dune at home since watching it at the cinema. I’m considering starting to buy Apple TV versions of movies vs 4K UHD discs. Two reasons: 1. Impatience 2. Continually upgrading. Apple upgrade what I buy after I buy it. Eg HD DD5.1 versions of films have become UHD HDR ATMOS versions of the movie. I’m using a 55 Samsung QLED (doesn’t support Dolby Vision but does HD10+) and a 7.1.4 Atmos Monitor Audio Reference system powered by Denon Atmos amp and a stereo amp for the rear Atmos speakers. Does the Apple route seem reasonable or do I keep buying discs (I have thousands of DVDs) and ultimately end up with an out of date 4K Disc library worth zip???
Even on Apple TV (which is the highest quality streaming service widely available), “4K” is really closer to a 1080p Blu-Ray, because of the same compression mentioned in the video. Still, the convenience is hard to deny. Most of my movies are on Apple TV, but I’m willing to purchase my favorites on UHD Blu-Ray.
Ps5 can play dolby atmos soundtrack from movie discs and you won't need a seperate 4k player. Just after playing the disc, dolby atmos needs to be selected from options
If your AV receiver supports lossless Atmos then you can plug a blu ray player straight in the HDMI IN of the amp and that will give you lossless Atmos. You’ll need to check your Amps spec sheet for that info.
Do we really need streaming device for Dolby atmos ? I have Sony X80J TV with eARC. Willing ti purchase new Samsung Q950A sound bar. Does Inbuilt TV OTT Apps provide Dolby atmos via HDMI ?
I've been using Plex now for about 6 months now dew to both the audio issues and jittery pan shots from the online players not sinking the refresh rate. My biggest issue with the Plex player is when I'm watching something on directly from my computer to my HDR projector it won't properly do HDR. It just changes the colors to make it look right but it's not HDR. I notice when I stream with plex and I'm watching something on thing on the TV downstairs HDR works but if I play directly off my computer HDR is not working I have to use another player which is annoying. Anyone know how to get this working? I saw A Linus review on an alienware monitor and he was using plex and I'm assuming he was going straight to the monitor and not streaming and he was testing the HDR so I'm assuming it's possible just haven't been able to get it to work. HDR works great on my pc when I use media player classic with all my plug ins but I do really like the interface of Plex. Reddit forms have helped.
I also don't like Kodi. I tried to I really did. At that stage I will just keep watching HDR content though medal player classic. I don't want to setup a sheld in my in the same room as my pc ether. That would also complicat my audio set up.
hello. if resources are available, can you do a video of connecting a fire, an nvidia sheild pro and a soundbar? i feel like no matter what i do, i am not getting my full potential. i have a sony hts350.
So I have a question I have the Sony oled a9G but have a older receiver onkyo NR636 that does not have HDR past through but supports Dolby atmos for me to get HDR I need to connect my tv to the receiver using arc for sound and my ps5/appletv straight to the tv am I doing this wrong or its the right way lol am I getting Dolby atmos this way ?
Is that the tx-nr636? I don't exactly understand how you have your cable configuration set up...... apple tv 4k only has 1 hdmi out out doesn't it? So that is going into your receiver yes? Then from there you are going into your tv?
I will let theatres worrying about that. I don't have space in the living room for back speakers, unless I put them on the couch at 25 cm distance from my ear... and I sit on the left part, while my wife will get the right part. Yeah, no thanks.
Can you tell me the best way to connect these devices for true Atmos or best quality. TV: LG CX 65inch XBOX Series X Bose 900 Soundbar - Bose 700 bass module - Bose surround sound speakers Currently i connected bose 900 soundbar to TV HDMI e-arc port 120HZ
Bose 900 to eARC port on TV. Xbox to anyone of the other HDMI ports on the TV. Bass module 700 and surround speakers connected through the Bose Music App. For dolby true HD you need to play blu ray discs through the Xbox... Streaming services won't give you True HD as I outlined in the video.
@@archwaytech Awesome - thats how i did it - thank you. I see a lot of difference when i purchase movies in apple TV app on LG TV - 30$ a movie if they are not doing the real deal better i spend on blueray disks instead
I have the same problem, I have a AVR that has earc and a SONOS ARC, can I use it in some way to get TRUE HD or unsuppressed ATMOS??? Can anyone help answer ??? @@danielweiss4498
Question: went into expert settings on samsung tv( couple years old ,at least it has arc.settings,notes say dolby atmos only enabled when dolby digital + is enabled yet it says unavailable .but it does have a dolby atmos enable toggle,when this is turned on does this mean dolby digital is enabled as well?unfortunately this model was purchased before e arc and i,m not buying a new one.4k ultra hd is just fine for my 64 yr old eyes.
Just wondering if i might get true atmos connecting the samsung 900b to the router instead of through the tv,aparently the wifi capability is in the 900 b.we have fiber optic from the street to the router.no hdmi outs on the router that i can see.thanx much ,love the vids btw..
Couple things to try: If you've got the Q990B then play 6 underground on Netflix (with a premium subscription) as I know that one is mixed in Atmos and it should give you the option to select Dolby Digital + in the settings. It might even automatically choose it like it did with my Samsung TV. If you want to get True Atmos from your Q990B then watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/c5ZtRA1xHEI/v-deo.html It'll walk you through other ways to setup your Soundbar and I'd suggest using method 2 in your case. Hope that helps.
@@archwaytech thanks much.guess i need to purchase a new blu ray player to test.not much into hard copies of dvd anymore.basically wanting to scrape out the best audio available on streaming,i fully understand the limitations of this type of media.compressed files are standard issue on most streaming apps.no netflix here just dis + discovery paramount and prime video.streaming prices keep going up up up.😭
Lol, I'm getting Atmos. I'm not sure if you other people are. Kudos if you've checked out any of the Turbine Media Atmos exclusives: Twister, Daylight, Dragonheart, Pitch Black. 😆
I just wish either Plex make their app more polished on xbox or Kodi on Xbox add HDR support. Current version is very laggy and stuttery for lossless audios on Plex and Kodi doesn't support HDR on xbox. Cuz I don't want to spend another $200 for Nvidia shield Pro.
Hi, i have an Onkyo TX-NR828, just checked the stats and I believe it allows for Dolby True HD. However when i play Netflix/Disney+ etc, the receiver automatically switches to Dolby Digital Plus? How would i change it to True HD please?
@@archwaytech So i need to buy physical media in order to sample Dolby TrueHD? What movie would you recommend as i would like to test the difference myself. Thanks
No one could tell the difference between dolby digital plus and Dolby true hd. I’ve tested this so many times on friends claiming they could hear the difference … basically they guess that their listening to the wrong one half the one 🤣
Cheers Ben. You can Dolby TrueHD without the Atmos layer being added. If it says Dolby TrueHD on the blu ray and it’s an Atmos movie then you’ll get the best Atmos possible. Cheers.
If you’re playing something that’s in Atmos on your TV It will give your Soundbar the highest quality sound the soundbar can play. Often that’s Dolby Digital 5.1, which still gives you surround sound if your Soundbar has rear speakers.
I prefer to play everything on my PC. I got a sound card with 7.1 analog outputs and a receiver with 7.1 analog inputs. So every time the Dolby shenanigans invent the next surround sound format I just download a new player that decodes it and sends the sound to my sound card. In that way I can still use my 2007 Pioneer 7.1 receiver to play any 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound content.
Vocal (dialogue ) is not audible with dolby. Only music is loud. It is not case with dts surround. Dolby is ok for cinema (theatre) where sound out put is high.
So let me gets this right . If you watch movies through Netflex you can't get atoms through your system ? but if you use Netflex but run it through Plex you can atoms ?
You can get Atmos through Netflix straight from the TV but if you want Dolby True HD (which is the better version of Atmos) then you need to watch the movie either straight off a blu ray or from a downloaded movie file playing through plex. Netflix doesn’t do Dolby True HD at all because it’s a streaming service. Hope that clears it up.
Streaming=💲🚽, I'll stick to my dedicated 4k set up, 4k disc content and 7.4.4 sound system, I wouldn't waste my money streaming, once you own a 4k movie disc, it's there for free any time and in a picture and sound resolution that can't be matched otherwise, so why bother streaming or with sound bars, save your money and go THE REAL THING!
@@vampireau I don't, not interested in it either, my comment refers to movies, even so, I've seen Game of Thrones available on 4k, other's too. This is the problem with streaming now, there is no one stop shop, as was with the old system of video DVD BLU-RAY hire, you'd go to your local video shop and hire just about anything that was available, now your expected to fork out money to so many different streaming services, what a joke it's become, just to fill their greed and control, then if it's not released on 4k, blu-ray or DVD discs, then you don't get to see it all, so effectively these streaming services are cutting their own throats, by only releasing things on their streaming service, maybe one day streaming might be a good option, but for now there is no one stop shop streaming service and the streaming quality really lacks, especially up against 4k disc content.
Can you please tell me if I use a Apple tv 4k with high end soundbar and fast internet speed like 200 mbps, will I get Dolby True HD or will it be still the same?
I buy around 1 hard copy a week. Thats my "treat" movie and the volume gets turned up. Streaming movies audio sucks comparatively, so i just use streaming to watch content. I suppose if you have a soundbar streaming atmos will be fine because it sucks anyway, but if you've invested in a theatre hard copies are the wat to go, or kaleidiscape ripoff stuff.
Excellent job 👏🏻👍
Thanks 😊 Glad you enjoyed it.
@@archwaytech I bought Apple TV 4k. I have 60 inch Samsung 4k with eARC and Samsung hwq950a. How shud I connect Apple TV between the tv and soundbar?
@@archwaytech can you calibrate a soundbar?
@@archwaytech would a shield 2019 pro or non when streaming true hd give me lossless atmos if hooked up to a earc capable soundbar arc only tv? only streaming kodi through 3rd party addons no nas or should i just stick with lossy and my 4k firestick max?
I explained this same information to a customer about a year ago. He was dead set against owning any physical media such as 4K UHD BluRays. I said ok, let's do a test. He said fine. I brought Mission Impossible: Fall-Out over as a UHD 4K Disc. I suggested he start playing the ending sequence with the hellicopters. He agreed. He streamed it and was happy. Told me it sounded amazing. I said, good. Now, let's check out the disc. So, I put in my disc and played the same sequence. His mouth dropped open. He looked at me with astonishment. After this test, he has been buying everything he can get on physical media. Plus the fact that once you buy it, you OWN it. They can't just decide to discontinue the app for your player and/or remove the movie/tv show you purchased online for whatever reason. Good video. Keep up the great work! Best Wishes!
Yes i agree to a certain degree but imagine the amount of money you have to invest in hard copy blu ray discs, then the space of storing them vs a monthly fee, plug and play. People’s circumstances are different & having physical media over streamed is becoming less likely to the majority. Even stores have stopped selling blu rays (not all) but most have empty shelves.
Or just...torrent?
@@marvel626 their point was that the streaming version is different than the physical copy on Blu-ray
@@marvel626 can you detail on that please? Download from torrent and burn it on a blu-ray disc? I have a ps4 Pro. Will that send True HD to my dolby atmos soundbar through eArc once I play the blu-ray?
@@Adistar-gtm Usually it's easier to just play those files from a USB hard drive than burn it onto a bluray disc, but I'm pretty sure it is possible to burn them onto a disk, but if you have an mkv file you'd probably have to convert it first.
And anyway I don't think the PS4 supports Dolby Atmos at all
That's why I love my physical blu ray disc the quality of sound is better than streaming services...
True what people don't understand is that streaming the video and audio is compressed so DVD 1080p Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray is always going to be better. The majority of Dolby Atmos mixing audio is going to be bad cuz they were in a hurry to push out that new sound system
Agreed!!! 💯%%!!!
Probably has more to do with codecs or mastering. 500 KBPS audio is already more than what humans can hear. If it's done properly, you'll be unable to hear any difference. It's not like with image quality where there's a clear difference between between blu-ray and digital versions of the same movie.
Actually. Dolby True HD is a compressed format. BUT it’s compressed without any loss. It’s lossless compression. Because not compressed format has way to big amount of data.
Dolby TrueHD usually sounds better overall because of being lossless. But DD+ works well for streaming and I think it's nice that they provide this because then you can get Atmos from more content.
100% Agree! DD+ opens up for more people to experience Atmos
@@archwaytech atmos is lossssy, trueHD, DTS:X, are lossless.
@@userwest626 your comment does not make sense.
@@userwest626 Atmos can come in lossy format or lossless format, if you get Atmos from dolby digital plus you'll get it lossy, Atmos from a Dolby TrueHD track is lossless. Clear now?
@@userwest626 say you don't know what you're talking about, without telling you don't know...
It's disheartening that people don't know or care about better audio. Sound has always been that unseen factor that many a proclaimed "Cinephile" or home theater fans don't focus on when discussing and/ or recommending films for viewing and/or purchase.
I think hardcore audiophiles either intimidate or turn off potential, casual enthusiasts with their expensive, high-end set ups. But I'll tell ya, for the same price as a decent 65"+ TV you can also get an adequate sound system as well(piecemeal). Personally, for me, sound comes first(is the audio track popping) then I worry about stuff like HDR/Dolby vision, 4k transfers and the like. Great sound is transformative. If you're doing it right, the actual air in your viewing space moves and make noise where the effect is happening on screen. Example: the scene where Spider-Man meets Electro in "No Way Home," if you close your eyes you can feel/hear the air in your room move with the various lightning strikes in the scene. People think great sound is about shaking/booming and clarity (when the volume is up) but I'll never forget when I finally found that magic calibration that made even the most mundane audio track sing.
I'm rambling but here it is:
DON'T FORGO PHYSICAL MEDIA FOR STREAMING(if you can afford no to).
Well said 😁
We have a casual watching area in our family room with Sony Z9D & HT-A9 w/their bigger subwoofer and just use the new Apple TV 4K in there. For everything else, I use a Sony X 800m2 4K uhd player in my theater. 135” screen, denon 6500h running 7.2.4 (in-ceiling Atmos channels) in a light and sound controlled 16x18 room. The difference between streaming services and TrueHD is huge imo.
Great video on getting the best Atmos signal to the speakers, but that's only half the story. Many setups still have very stunted Atmos experience even with uncompressed formats because they use upfiring speakers or worse a soundbar with virtualized surround sound. Even with perfect surfaces for bouncing sound off ceilings (typically a condition to be avoided or minimize with acustic treatments) you get a very diminished effect compared to actual on/in-ceiling speaker placement. The difference is huge.
I just have the little svs speakers that come with a ceiling bracket. I like em, but they are on the ceiling, instead of in it. Lol
This mostly comes down to budget. Most customers will set a budget limit of X dollars and will simply not go above that amount no matter what. Then they just figure, "Whatever I can get for that amount of money is good enough for me."
I’ve always used actual removable media via my Panasonic UB-9000 or UB-900 connected to my Triniov Processor and 16 channel Perlisten setup. I’ve tested streams vs the actual disc and there’s clear differences in the dynamic range as well as object placement accuracy and this is using what’s at the moment the cutting edge of Atmos in home technology. Atmos from a sound bar is better than no Atmos at all, however the upward firing speakers depend greatly on the acoustical materials in the room as well as the actual in room performance of the bouncy house speakers which you can measure with a USB mic like a UMIK-1 and the free application REW. Switching from upward firing speakers to actual speakers placed according to the Dolby white paper is a night and day difference if you’re able to go to on/in ceiling speakers. I can’t do in ceilings but have had great success using on ceiling speakers.
how you liking the perlistens?
Most people won't ever go to the trouble of installing in-ceiling speakers if their media room wasn't already set up with those when the house was built. So, they get as close as they can without having to perform any major surgery on the theater room.
There isn't such thing like "true atmos". All objects, which are 118 and not 128, can successfully reproduced with DD+ & TrueHD formats. Also there isn't such thing like "studio quality" in home entertainment. Just to mention that a Dolby Atmos full uncompressed 4 minutes music file is almost 4TB. Here we are talking about 2 hours movies.
Also, it's impossible to reproduce Atmos content at homes the way it's reproduced in studios and commercial cinemas. At these places we have 118 individual objects and in our homes we have clusters of sounds. The Dolby renderer that process the objects inside home gear cannot reproduce 118 individual sounds. For that reason studio exports for home entertainment are 7.1.4 plus 20 objects. These 20 objects are more like clusters and not individual objects. The Dolby renderer inside ProTools "collects" sounds from "same directions" and reproduce them as one cluster. For that reason 5 let's say individual objects (that means 5 individual waveforms from different placements) will become one waveform for one (perhaps two) speakers. The final result is almost the same, but not studio or Cinema quality.
The home version of Atmos doesn't support 128 objects, only the theatrical version. The theatrical mix is converted down so that objects near each other are grouped together or pre-panned between static objects to keep the object count down to around 15. This is true for both streaming and disc, and the only difference is less precision/spatial resolution.
Neither version supports 128 objects. It’s a total of 128 channels, at least 9 of them being a 7.1.2 bed in theatrical, and at least 8 of them being a 7.1 bed in the home version (maybe you can do a 5.1 bed on the home version but I’ve never tried).. either way, not all 128 of those channels are available to be objects.
@@Polyh3dron Actually, it isn't "channels" at all with Atmos. It's objects. In the theatrical version, you still essentially have the legacy channels (meaning it uses all speakers in that zone of the array) but they are represented as the first 10 reserved objects in the interface. Those objects are zone-constrained, meaning the "side surround" object would play back from every speaker in the side surround zone. You then also have 118 steerable objects that can move between individual speakers (or if i assign the parameter, be limited to a particular zone). The "channels" would then be the number of speakers the renderer has available to output those objects irrespective of the number of objects used in the mix.
The home version tends to max out at 15 objects for bandwidth/scaling purposes, but you are correct that 9 of them are dedicated to the defined channel positions. They aren't "channels" anymore though, as the renderer can shift them as needed based on the available speakers (so for instance, if you have 5.1.4, the object at the rear surround position in the mix outputs to the side surround channel but the object at the side surround position images between the L/R and side surrounds as if you had a speaker there). The LFE channel is carried over from the bed layer of the bitstream (and is technically the only thing strictly re-used from the bed layer) and doesn't use an available object. The DD+ version of Atmos for streaming actually does use a 5.1 bed.
The point here being that the theatrical mix's 128 objects gets converted down for the home version such that it doesn't use more than 15 objects. You don't lose any of the object data in the process, since it is combined with other objects using grouping (and the occasional shift of objects in the defined channel positions off of their positions dynamically to hand off a sound to another adjacent object using pre-panning).
@@TheReverendSlim 128 objects it’s just in theory. Have you seen such a mix in reality? No.
@@vadimkrylov 1. None of us have access to the theatrical mix to know.
2. The interface for the Atmos plugin literally has 128 objects with the first 10 reserved. Not a theory. It's what's available to the sound designer.
3. It doesn't matter for the home version of the mix because it all gets grouped down to about 15 objects anyway (or in many cases, 9 objects with pre-panning applied by the downconversion).
4. That last thing doesn't matter in a small space because you don't need the spatial resolution you would in a larger space to get the same effect.
Does anybody have official sources for these statements, id love to find out what's true.
Thanks for explaining this. I have definately heard a difference. Blueray seems far superior after trying the same film on prime and blueray.
The base and dynamic range seemed far superior on disc. I guess its like you said, theres more data on the disc.
Absolutely true. Dolby and others channels upload videos supposedly with atmos formats, but youtube only encode/decode for 2 channels PCML. Otherwise you only get virtualized atmos but not real, like the soundbars or some phone with headphones does.
I think we only get real dolby atmos in selected cinemas and nowhere else...
New Subscriber. Now that football is over, I’ll use the next 5 months catching up on the movies I missed.
I learned more in this 5 minute video than I have learned in the past 4 months searching for a soundbar and sub. Its not flashy or overwhelming- just concise and simple.
People always ask, why you're taking the disc while it's on Netflix/Prime etc.
Guess I'll send them this video over, so i don't have to explain over and over. Not only because of the better audio, also better picture quality.
And My 4K Blu-Ray player has 2 HDMI outputs, one dedicated for audio only , also an improvement over the Audio/Video HDMI. One can do the Video, the other goes into the AVR Audio only..
Love your videos. I’m not an audiophile but I’m searching for the best sound I can get in my modest movie room with a decent UST projector so I find your straightforward and accessible information really useful. So thanks from Ireland 👍🏻
Thanks Kevin. I really appreciate that feedback. Which UST projectors have you been looking at? I setup a Samsung Premiere a couple months ago and they’re an awesome mix between a Smart TV and projector but very pricey. There’s definitely other more budget options from the likes of Benq that will give you an awesome picture without the smarts.
@@archwaytech I’ve the xiaomi 4K and I’m currently using a Yamaha 5.1 but due to the layout of the room I’ve only ever been able to use it’s virtual cinema front layout (all speakers at the front of the room) I’m about to get the Samsung 950a as I think it’ll be the best bang for my buck.
Is that a laser projector? Xiaomi are making some great products atm.
@@archwaytech yeah it’s a laser. the Mijia 4K. Very happy with it especially for the price.
Thanks for the video. When I bought the Shield TV, the 2019 model was already a couple of years old but unlike most tech it is still very capable.
This explains it so damn well for those that never had a clue. I thank god, already knew all this. But love all the 411 in one video. Good Job!
I was confused also. Now, I feel better about getting away with Dolby Digital Plus.
You can also pass through on pcm. It's device specifik.
There is also Dolby Digital EX, that outputs 6.1 within a 5.1 container.
That’s true. But, Archway Tech is talking about atmos with the height and overhead sound channels.
Pretty simple test will be to just play the 4k disc on a set volume level. Lets say at 10. Then stream the same movie at level 10. You will notice a difference. The stream will not me as loud as the player if they are set to the same volume level.
If you use Apple TV + or Itunes movies the Atmos and HDR is WAY better than the other streaming apps.
At the risk of offending many, I would say that the true Home theater purists are always so defensive in proving that true Cinematic Atmos experience only comes from having a multi speaker setup and are quick to bash soundbars in general. Truth is that majority of the general audience cannot differentiate between true lossless vs lossy, DD+ vs Atmos vs Dolby True HD unless specifically comparing both streams side by side. Soundbars with dedicated rears, upfiring speakers from mid range and above can do a great job for providing a good cinematic audio experience at home without the hassles of multi speaker setup, tuning in a limited space. Test /Demo products in your price bracket yourselves, read the spec sheets for ensuring feature set required and decide rather than blindly following any online advice n disregarding any type of systems due to preconceived notions by the golden ears! Cheers.
Well Said 👏
Great job explaining this. I always felt like the audio tracks sounded like crap on Netflix. Thanks for advice! 👍
If you're using a soundbar you're not getting Dolby Atmos [or even True HD] period. Individual, properly placed speakers are essential to Atmos and any other discrete surround format.
I only use a sound bar in the bedroom but the living room and man cave is cluttered with speakers 😉😜👍
That’s not true. There are some sound bars, which either have or allow the addition of extra speakers to get more Atmos
Barely understand this sounds world but this guy a genius
Hi I wonder to know is ps5 Blu-ray Disc able to handle true hd without passing through pcm?
Cause Apple TV seemed to be functioning through pcm.
Plus, ps5 can be a Blu-ray player except for the Dolby vision or some unspecific details, right?
The only way to passthrough Dolby TrueHD / DTS Master Audio tracks with a PS5 is if you set your Blu-ray player app to output Bitstream. This is how I’ve been able to watch my 4K Blu-rays on my console, minus the niceties like dynamic HDR formats (HDR10+/Dolby Vision.)
I have the idea the main reason eArc exists is because of license and encrytion certificate handshakes. HDMI by itself was long time capable of pass through of high bitrate content. So it is mainly a money-making and anti-copy tech, not for audio quality.
My majority of Blu Rays are DTS-MA at 3000kbps, and that is plenty of sound quality without too complex codecs, so they can be decoded freely into 192kHz 32bit PCM when needed.
HDMI has a transfer rate so far beyond what is needed. HDMI 2.1 is 48Gbps that's laughably beyond the overhead you could ever need for audio with 8k resolution video even at frame rates beyond the 24 that tv/movies are filmed at(8k @24fps requires just shy of 18Gbs). 192khz 24 bit audio has a bitrate of 9216 kbps which is significantly better quality than what 99.9% of audio that makes it into the hands of consumers (cd quality is only 1,411 kbps). This is literally a bullshit product that only exists to milk customers due to the lack of information. This isn't the only bullshit being peddled here and in general in this area of consumer electronics.
@@thisisobviouslybait True, but HDMI 2.1 brings much more to the table than just additional bandwidth over HDMI 2.0. That's only one of its benefits.
Good video. In talking to an audio store owner even on my Sonos Arc I probably won’t be able to tell the difference in Atmos over DD+ vs True. He said if you have dedicated height channels with isolated speakers then yes it makes a difference. So knowing that and most things are via streaming I’m fine with DD+ Atmos for now. I debated getting a HD fury but for the time being I just switch to my Roku for Atmos over ARC and switch back to my Apple TV when it doesn’t have Atmos since Atmos will work via DD+ over ARC. Maybe one day when I get an eARC tv I will see if I can tell a difference.
A combination of a 2021 or 2022 Samsung QLED or NeoQLED tv and a Samsung Q950A should give u what u are you looking for.
Good job in informing people who might not know this. Itunes/HBO max atmos movies do not hold a candle to a proper blu ray atmos. Best example is the Godzilla and Kong movies. GvK was horrible on HBO max while it shaked my house and was so much more dynamic on blu ray. HBO max one sounded so stale.
I used to watch & rewatch John Wick 2 & 3 streaming. Then I brought it and rewatched it OMG the rain scenes & the shootout scene in part 2. I actually hear blood splatter ewwwww
Great job explaining the various aspects of ATMOS, but one major thing is missing. Considering you are presenting on UA-cam, where there are many ATMOS demo's and test tracks that people are naturally going to try to use to test their own ATMOS setups, it is important to let your followers know that UA-cam down mixes those ATMOS demo's into plain vanilla STEREO which obliterates the ATMOS information. I recall after getting my ATMOS system attempting to test using these bogus UA-cam ATMOS demos and test tracks and thinking something was wrong with my system. After doing a bit of digging I learned what I was doing wrong, using UA-cam as my test source. I eventually found some websites with ATMOS tracks, downloaded them and they play wonderfully using my computer Windows Movie and TV player app. Also note, that not all Windows video players are equal either, some can play ATMOS, some can't. Be sure to watch the display on your ATMOS receiver to see what works and what doesn't.
First video of yours that I've come across. Good video, detailed and simplified making it easy to understand, this was everything I already knew from doing heap of research before goingwith my sonos setup but this video would have been great back then.
I'm running the set up with the HDFury for my earc port always back physical media over streaming. I'm lucky I have a 100mbps internet speed and feel that I'm getting close to physical media 4k and atmos sound through streaming but again, if I can go with physical media I would everytime.
I noticed on my old Marantz DVD player using optical the soundtrack was more in depth and full of sounds vs streaming a movie.
Makes perfect sense now. No wonder when I was streaming it off the Series X it sounds more fuller/richer as compared to running it off the TV app itself.
Thanks and keep up the awesome content.
Xbox series are louder than tvs or a ps5 I got both and compared them (without atmos tho)
"Streaming it off..."
So you mean you streamed the same movie on the TV app and the Xbox from the same streaming service? Mate, you compared DD+ to DD+. There is no Dolby TrueHD in streaming, only DD+
Uncompressed movie files are huge. So plex route can get very expensive when you need to buy storage
There is one thing you might not have noticed. Atmos is virtually non-existent on Blu-Ray. UHD Blu-Ray, absolutely. For example, none of the Marvel Studios titles have Atmos on the BD, only on the UHD-BD. So you need a UHD Blu-Ray Player along with the discs to appreciate the best that Atmos can offer for the home. The difference is night and day between Atmos on hard media vs streaming, but it isn't as simple as it sounds. Even plex requires ripping UHD Blu-Ray which takes up roughly twice the space and streaming bandwidth on your network and in many cases poses other difficulties.
I did try it and I don't get it - is DTS plus compress it like mp3 is compressed compered to flac or is it compressed dynamic? From my experience it is compressed dynamic and I much prefere it over trueHD - sound from this is super agressive and it stears away attention from the movie itself to a sound. It might be different story in other enviroment tho. I use plex nvidia setup with 7.1 - no atmos for now but DTSvstrueHD comparison is still same.
Just got to know that Tidal would support DD+ Atmos for music on Apple tv 4k and nvidia shield, and some TVs such as Sony and Phillips.
TIDAL at this moment don't using DD+ Atmos, because this is lossy format, there are lossless music - mostly in FLAC (and Atmos is in a more undefined format (for ordinary user) )
I find the difference between streaming and disc (blueray), is night and day.
It is so much better on the disc, more detail and dynamics...
Hi, I have a question; if may TV kann Do Dolby atmos, but the avr doesn't! It's possible via hdmi arc to get that audio to the receiver?
I have HW-q800b soundbar with 2 extra rear speakers. Tris are conected with my qn90b tv with hdmi eARC. The question is… which format in my tv sound settings should i go.. PCM or AUTO??
Pls help
The problem is.. is that this video is just theory and not reality. The reality is that most people cannot hear the difference between lossless audio and lossy audio (assuming it's not trash quality lossy audio), even with the best equipment. There may be a very small audible difference for some content that some people could notice when making a direct comparison under ideal conditions. But fact of the matter is, is that no one is watching under ideal conditions outside of test situations as as such, no one is pretty much able tell any difference. And I'm not talking about home theater testing, but actual 100K+ studios specifically meant for it.
People will always choose convenience over quality every time. Or should I say Sheeple. They swallow all the sales pitches and think they have the next best thing. People buy huge tv's and take them home and don't give a second thought about on how to connect it for best sound and picture. They want small speakers, if any, with no cables and think that they can reproduce big cinema sound. They want to stream instead of buying the movies on discs which is still the best way to watch a film at home. Caleidoscope not counted since it is WAY over priced.
Is eARC can passthrough Dolby TrueHD? If I am not mistaken it support up to Dolby Digital ~1,5 Mbps
Can you get Dolby in the headphone?
Very informative video. Please help me how to get Dolby TruHD over streaming. Does Plex supports Dolby TruHD?
If I downloaded an atmos blueray film from torrentz and save it to a computer, can i just connect the hdmi from computer to earc atmos soundbar to get atmos experience? I have samsung q990b soundbar.
I recently bought a firestick to play Atmos content from Amazon.... there's like NO Atmos content on Amazon, you can't even stream Amazon music in Dolby digital surround if you set your firestick to best sound available, you manually have to switch to D.D. surround otherwise all the music will be streamed stereo, what a bummer.... (I have a Denon 3700H 7.1.4 setup)
Hı. I have a 4k Android TV box with HDMI eARC 2.1 output at my home. If I start a soundbar with Dolpy Atmos feature, will Dolpy Atmos work?
Is it true you need to run the Nvidia Shield on ethernet to get TrueHD?
I'm looking at getting one but I'd probably have to run it on WiFi.
If I buy the following setup, will I be getting the full potential out of 4k Blu ray movies? Visio 5.1 m512a-h6 surround sound, a LG CX (or newer C1) OLED TV, and an Xbox Series X.
Can you explain the comment you made that for audio , you need to look for a player with “True HD “ labels on the device ? I am not that interested in video quality from a BluRay player , my TV is not high-end . However , I do want to obtain a player that gives me . the best Dolby Atmos transfer rates possible . A lot of the players I have Googled do not mention Dolby True HD . I do have eARC on the soundbar and the TV has ARC HDMI. I am mostly interested in music in Dolby Atmos .
Hello, do i really need a Nvidia shield for plex to passtrough trueHD? Why cant i Just use plex on my LG c2 and passtrough the audio?
This might be a stupid question but is there a difference in audio quality between the physical blu ray disc and the digital copy of the movie that came with it? It’s not exactly streaming since it’s saved locally but I always redeem the digital copy and just watch it the movies from the blu ray disc
I assume that playing the audio straight from the disc will always be superior to playing it over a digital copy. Since he mentions that the streaming and digital copy companies use compressed files to fit more on there servers. Imagine popping in a cd in your car stereo then playing that same album via bluetooth from your phone. im sure you will have to turn up the volume to reach the same sound level as the cd playing directly from the stereo.
What is mean by " dobly atmos/pcm" displaying on av receiver screen?
1:19 bs none of this is bit for bit studio that is a total load of re-recording mixer hollywood mixers lies , they are mixes that have been tampered with into a near field , what you didn't know this
Plex only gets atmos if you go through an streaming device like an Nvidia Shield?
Can I get dolby atmos from my bh9540tw home theater
How to get Atmos in soundbar from tv which both tv soundbar contains only ARC port without using any extra support.
Hello thank you a lot for the videos, there are very interesting and clarify a lot of my questions. I would like to ask you a question that confuses me a lot. I have a Samsung qe65q70r (2019 model) and I would like to buy a q950a soundbar. Will I have Dolby Atmos sound by Netflix content? Because from what I have read Q70r has an ark HDMI port so does not support Dolby Atmos. In that case, if I will buy an Apple tv or google Chromecast tv and connect it to the soundbar, and the soundbar to the tv will I have the same result or it will improve the Dolby Atmos experience at all. In any case, have you any other suggestions - solutions for me? thank you in advance continue the nice quality work 😉
Yes you will get Dolby Atmos from Netflix. I have the Q70R aswell and a q950t soundbar.
Plex in fire stick does decod atmos!? I m playing 7.1 true hd atmos but i can hardly hear frm my heights!?!
Comparing DD+ or TrueHD is unimportant if 80% of the releases use the 3D aspect in a few hand picket scenes over the whole movie. There are only a few very good mixes out there, the majority is bad. American Sniper, Transformers or San Adreas for example.
And don't get me started on the problem of the German audience, where only every 4th US Dolby Atmos release gets a German atmos track. While you get D True HD we even only get DD 5.1, because there is a need to fit 15 other languages onto the disk too.
TRUE HD is important due to compression not because of 3D...
Since both are capable of two axis surround sound the main benefit comes from the lossless audio either if it has enough "surround effects" or not that is irrelevant for the comparison.
For people who doesn't have full systems like 5.1 or 7.1, I think Apple TV 4K is the best for Dolby Atmos or even Dolby Vision and HDR for streaming. I compared my Apple TV 4K and that latest Nvidia Shield Pro 4K with streaming apps like Apple TV, Netflix, Amazon that supports Dolby Atmos movies on EARC and the Apple TV 4K sounds so much better than Nvidia Shield Pro 4K.
Apple TV has the highest bitrate for streaming video compared to the other major services, so it makes sense that the audio would be better too.
I'm so bummed to hear this. I thought my Shield was the best. 😔
This comes up on my JBL 9.1 screen when I connect it to my Xbox series X/LG CX - Dolby Atmos Multi-Ch PCM. So no idea if what you are mentioning is available for my set up lol.
Hi, I have a query. I have a Q950A I am connecting the soundbar to an LG OLED via an ARC port. In one of the output ports of the soundbar I have connected an HDR 4K Fire Stick, is it more likely that the Dolby Atmos audio output going to be using DD+ as a base or Dolby True HD?
Thanks in advance
Most streaming services use Dolby Digital Plus with Atmos MAT. It’s a lossy format. The lossless format is generally only available on an actual disc. I’ve watched John Wick 3 on both a streaming device and the actual UHD disc on a Panasonic UB-9000 A/B comparison style. There’s clear differences in not only dynamic range but overall quality in relation to the removable media.
I have earc tv and sound system with reference first man atmos disc. It’s pretty awesome.
What about services like VUDU? Same issue as Netflix, etc?
Yeah well, I backup my Blu ray films and remove the Master HD audio because that often doubles the size of the files.
My little Logitech computer 5.1 surround system is great!!! I mean, really great!!! Watching on my 75" TV from my movieJukebox PC is the best way to access my store bought movie collection.
I get the best image quality that's about as good as Blu ray too... using Handbrake I save the video as an MP4 and reduce the file size from 20 or even 30+ GB to under 10 GB.
And this way I can get over 600 films backed up on one 4 TB HDD.
I’m itching to get Dune at home since watching it at the cinema. I’m considering starting to buy Apple TV versions of movies vs 4K UHD discs.
Two reasons:
1. Impatience
2. Continually upgrading. Apple upgrade what I buy after I buy it. Eg HD DD5.1 versions of films have become UHD HDR ATMOS versions of the movie.
I’m using a 55 Samsung QLED (doesn’t support Dolby Vision but does HD10+) and a 7.1.4 Atmos Monitor Audio Reference system powered by Denon Atmos amp and a stereo amp for the rear Atmos speakers.
Does the Apple route seem reasonable or do I keep buying discs (I have thousands of DVDs) and ultimately end up with an out of date 4K Disc library worth zip???
Even on Apple TV (which is the highest quality streaming service widely available), “4K” is really closer to a 1080p Blu-Ray, because of the same compression mentioned in the video. Still, the convenience is hard to deny. Most of my movies are on Apple TV, but I’m willing to purchase my favorites on UHD Blu-Ray.
Thanks for this video
Hello if I connect my Ps5 with my Samsung Soundbar q950a will it play Dolby Atmos and dts? Or do I need a 4K player ?
Ps5 can play dolby atmos soundtrack from movie discs and you won't need a seperate 4k player. Just after playing the disc, dolby atmos needs to be selected from options
Hello. Is LG SP11RA for 900 USD a good deal? Worth it?
My tv and av-receiver both only have ARC, can I still get lossless Dolby Atmos?
If your AV receiver supports lossless Atmos then you can plug a blu ray player straight in the HDMI IN of the amp and that will give you lossless Atmos. You’ll need to check your Amps spec sheet for that info.
Do we really need streaming device for Dolby atmos ? I have Sony X80J TV with eARC. Willing ti purchase new Samsung Q950A sound bar. Does Inbuilt TV OTT Apps provide Dolby atmos via HDMI ?
Yeah the built in apps can output Atmos to your soundbar. The only thing you need is an eARC port on the TV and Soundbar which your setup would have.
I've been using Plex now for about 6 months now dew to both the audio issues and jittery pan shots from the online players not sinking the refresh rate. My biggest issue with the Plex player is when I'm watching something on directly from my computer to my HDR projector it won't properly do HDR. It just changes the colors to make it look right but it's not HDR. I notice when I stream with plex and I'm watching something on thing on the TV downstairs HDR works but if I play directly off my computer HDR is not working I have to use another player which is annoying. Anyone know how to get this working? I saw A Linus review on an alienware monitor and he was using plex and I'm assuming he was going straight to the monitor and not streaming and he was testing the HDR so I'm assuming it's possible just haven't been able to get it to work. HDR works great on my pc when I use media player classic with all my plug ins but I do really like the interface of Plex. Reddit forms have helped.
I also don't like Kodi. I tried to I really did. At that stage I will just keep watching HDR content though medal player classic. I don't want to setup a sheld in my in the same room as my pc ether. That would also complicat my audio set up.
hello. if resources are available, can you do a video of connecting a fire, an nvidia sheild pro and a soundbar? i feel like no matter what i do, i am not getting my full potential. i have a sony hts350.
So I have a question I have the Sony oled a9G but have a older receiver onkyo NR636 that does not have HDR past through but supports Dolby atmos for me to get HDR I need to connect my tv to the receiver using arc for sound and my ps5/appletv straight to the tv am I doing this wrong or its the right way lol am I getting Dolby atmos this way ?
Is that the tx-nr636? I don't exactly understand how you have your cable configuration set up...... apple tv 4k only has 1 hdmi out out doesn't it? So that is going into your receiver yes? Then from there you are going into your tv?
I will let theatres worrying about that.
I don't have space in the living room for back speakers, unless I put them on the couch at 25 cm distance from my ear... and I sit on the left part, while my wife will get the right part.
Yeah, no thanks.
Can you tell me the best way to connect these devices for true Atmos or best quality.
TV: LG CX 65inch
XBOX Series X
Bose 900 Soundbar - Bose 700 bass module - Bose surround sound speakers
Currently i connected bose 900 soundbar to TV HDMI e-arc port 120HZ
Bose 900 to eARC port on TV.
Xbox to anyone of the other HDMI ports on the TV.
Bass module 700 and surround speakers connected through the Bose Music App.
For dolby true HD you need to play blu ray discs through the Xbox... Streaming services won't give you True HD as I outlined in the video.
@@archwaytech Awesome - thats how i did it - thank you.
I see a lot of difference when i purchase movies in apple TV app on LG TV - 30$ a movie if they are not doing the real deal better i spend on blueray disks instead
my tv is only ARC if i get an earc soundbar will i still get Dolby TRUhD?
No
I have the same problem, I have a AVR that has earc and a SONOS ARC, can I use it in some way to get TRUE HD or unsuppressed ATMOS??? Can anyone help answer ??? @@danielweiss4498
Question: went into expert settings on samsung tv( couple years old ,at least it has arc.settings,notes say dolby atmos only enabled when dolby digital + is enabled yet it says unavailable .but it does have a dolby atmos enable toggle,when this is turned on does this mean dolby digital is enabled as well?unfortunately this model was purchased before e arc and i,m not buying a new one.4k ultra hd is just fine for my 64 yr old eyes.
What Model is the TV?
@@archwaytech un55ru7 300f/ curved screen.bought it fast/ "older" (amazon) model...needed a new tv asap.
Just wondering if i might get true atmos connecting the samsung 900b to the router instead of through the tv,aparently the wifi capability is in the 900 b.we have fiber optic from the street to the router.no hdmi outs on the router that i can see.thanx much ,love the vids btw..
Couple things to try: If you've got the Q990B then play 6 underground on Netflix (with a premium subscription) as I know that one is mixed in Atmos and it should give you the option to select Dolby Digital + in the settings. It might even automatically choose it like it did with my Samsung TV.
If you want to get True Atmos from your Q990B then watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/c5ZtRA1xHEI/v-deo.html
It'll walk you through other ways to setup your Soundbar and I'd suggest using method 2 in your case. Hope that helps.
@@archwaytech thanks much.guess i need to purchase a new blu ray player to test.not much into hard copies of dvd anymore.basically wanting to scrape out the best audio available on streaming,i fully understand the limitations of this type of media.compressed files are standard issue on most streaming apps.no netflix here just dis + discovery paramount and prime video.streaming prices keep going up up up.😭
Every time my receiver says DD Plus it won't play the height channels.
Lol, I'm getting Atmos. I'm not sure if you other people are. Kudos if you've checked out any of the Turbine Media Atmos exclusives: Twister, Daylight, Dragonheart, Pitch Black. 😆
I just wish either Plex make their app more polished on xbox or Kodi on Xbox add HDR support. Current version is very laggy and stuttery for lossless audios on Plex and Kodi doesn't support HDR on xbox. Cuz I don't want to spend another $200 for Nvidia shield Pro.
Hi, i have an Onkyo TX-NR828, just checked the stats and I believe it allows for Dolby True HD. However when i play Netflix/Disney+ etc, the receiver automatically switches to Dolby Digital Plus?
How would i change it to True HD please?
Hey Az, you can't get Dolby True HD from streaming services... they only support DD+. Cheers
@@archwaytech So i need to buy physical media in order to sample Dolby TrueHD? What movie would you recommend as i would like to test the difference myself. Thanks
No one could tell the difference between dolby digital plus and Dolby true hd. I’ve tested this so many times on friends claiming they could hear the difference … basically they guess that their listening to the wrong one half the one 🤣
Hi man, nice video!
So Dolby True HD = Atmos?
Not always, TruHD is just the lossless Dolby version. Atmos carries the metadata over it for 3d objects encoded in the sound.
Cheers Ben. You can Dolby TrueHD without the Atmos layer being added. If it says Dolby TrueHD on the blu ray and it’s an Atmos movie then you’ll get the best Atmos possible. Cheers.
if i have dolby atmos tv and i plug in into sound bar with no dolby atmos feature , what will happen? thx
If you’re playing something that’s in Atmos on your TV It will give your Soundbar the highest quality sound the soundbar can play. Often that’s Dolby Digital 5.1, which still gives you surround sound if your Soundbar has rear speakers.
We are not getting true Dolby Vision either when we are streaming content. Do you agree?
I prefer to play everything on my PC. I got a sound card with 7.1 analog outputs and a receiver with 7.1 analog inputs. So every time the Dolby shenanigans invent the next surround sound format I just download a new player that decodes it and sends the sound to my sound card. In that way I can still use my 2007 Pioneer 7.1 receiver to play any 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound content.
Vocal (dialogue ) is not audible with dolby. Only music is loud. It is not case with dts surround. Dolby is ok for cinema (theatre) where sound out put is high.
Well done.... Rare info
Thanks David. 😀 Glad you found it helpful.
So let me gets this right . If you watch movies through Netflex you can't get atoms through your system ? but if you use Netflex but run it through Plex you can atoms ?
You can get Atmos through Netflix straight from the TV but if you want Dolby True HD (which is the better version of Atmos) then you need to watch the movie either straight off a blu ray or from a downloaded movie file playing through plex. Netflix doesn’t do Dolby True HD at all because it’s a streaming service. Hope that clears it up.
Streaming=💲🚽, I'll stick to my dedicated 4k set up, 4k disc content and 7.4.4 sound system, I wouldn't waste my money streaming, once you own a 4k movie disc, it's there for free any time and in a picture and sound resolution that can't be matched otherwise, so why bother streaming or with sound bars, save your money and go THE REAL THING!
Yes, but how do want to watch Netflix or Apple original series on a disc?
@@vampireau I don't, not interested in it either, my comment refers to movies, even so, I've seen Game of Thrones available on 4k, other's too. This is the problem with streaming now, there is no one stop shop, as was with the old system of video DVD BLU-RAY hire, you'd go to your local video shop and hire just about anything that was available, now your expected to fork out money to so many different streaming services, what a joke it's become, just to fill their greed and control, then if it's not released on 4k, blu-ray or DVD discs, then you don't get to see it all, so effectively these streaming services are cutting their own throats, by only releasing things on their streaming service, maybe one day streaming might be a good option, but for now there is no one stop shop streaming service and the streaming quality really lacks, especially up against 4k disc content.
Yes that's what I do, but it gets a bit expensive but luckily I've found a place that trades bluerays and 4k discs a lot cheaper
Can you please tell me if I use a Apple tv 4k with high end soundbar and fast internet speed like 200 mbps, will I get Dolby True HD or will it be still the same?
Unfortunately the Apple TV 4K doesn’t output TrueHD at all. You need a blu ray player or home server to play TrueHD.
Streaming services don't use Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio. Only dolby digital plus.
The 2021 apple tv 4k outputs atmos if you have it selected in the menu setting.
@@archwaytech thank you for the reply
@@MrViper7121 oh no use then having all those equipments
can’t understand the name of the device that you show with hdmi in and out from the other side and earc ? you say it very quickly!
It’s called the HDFury Arcana: geni.us/o5LFK
How about if you download a movie with dolby atmos
4K Ultra HD is the only way to go and it looks like Tidal has Dolby TrueHD Atmos for it's Atmos music
Now all we need is good new movies.
I buy around 1 hard copy a week. Thats my "treat" movie and the volume gets turned up. Streaming movies audio sucks comparatively, so i just use streaming to watch content. I suppose if you have a soundbar streaming atmos will be fine because it sucks anyway, but if you've invested in a theatre hard copies are the wat to go, or kaleidiscape ripoff stuff.
That's a great idea! Over the years you will have built up a nice collection 😋