I mean Leon wanted a challange and want to see Ash at his peak of strenght. If Leon won, he could be truely the undefeated champion, who beat all gimmiks on a super strong trainer and still win (like he told us in Sword/Shield after Eternatus). Was it his downfall? Yes Was is cool as fck? Heck yes
And here’s my problem with Pokémon journeys when ash was about to have his big moment with Leno you would think that everyone who traveled with ash would be there in person to watch him Especially the aloa gang since they were the ones who shaped him to be champion of alola
@@blackoutamvs6550 I know even though during their adventures during unova even though they didn’t get along sometimes at least have the respect to stay and support your friend during their big moment
@@Pokewho-6475 Exactly, but I sort of understand them, since they had to make a meaningful way to make the older Pokemon watch Ash's win. But it still would have been better if Delia and Oak were at Wyndon
The main problem with the series is that it didn’t take itself serious. I know pokemon is a kids show but this series felt like the Dora the Explorer. I feel like they should have forgotten about Goh and Chloe and just made Ash do the same thing but in Galar with Hop as he co-protagonist wanting to beat the league and have Ash as his mentor.
I totally agree although I don’t think the series is truly terrible. It does point a bit too safe which can be pretty annoying and they should’ve put a lot of effort into this series focusing on Galar more introducing more Characters from Galar give proper development to Ash Goh Koharu and Ash’s Pokémon Team respect to old Characters returns introducing the DLC traducing Mustard and Peony make Hop and Marnie Ash’s Rivals have the Masters8th play out like the the Johto league since it wasn’t spared by someone who actually did a rewrite on this series and have Ash use his old Pokémon again since he hasn’t done that since the Sinnoh league were using the nice mixture of both old and new Pokémon teams this would’ve been perfect
@@haroldnecmann7040 It would have been so good to have Marnie with the goal of saving her hometown from been forgotten and become a gym leader at the end. Instead we got a random girl indecisive of what’s her goal and then getting one at the end which is the same as her father’s. definitely Chloe was the worst pokegirl.
I think a big miss opportunity for Journey's is Galar Region itself. This region feels like a perfect Region for Ash to travel. Gym battles, new Pokemon like Drednaw or Corvaknight, Hop, Marnie and Bede as potential rivals/companions, etc. And if this was a return to form after Sun and Moon slice of life series, I think people can look fondly over it. It's also crazy that its successor 4, Horizons did a better job at being a travel the world series while representing Galar than the Gen 8 anime,
It is tempting for Ash to compete in the Galar League, but the premise as an actual anime would have been seen as desperate. By having Ash compete in the Galar League, it not only undermines Ash's skills as a trainer but it completely ignores the fact that Ash is a Champion. Not to mention that in Sun and Moon, no one told Ash "Go to Galar and compete in the gyms". Olivia told Ash to travel the world to expand his horizons, as stated: "Getting to know what the world is like is a very important step. You'll have a broader perspective once you expand your horizons. The truth is, it will allow you to look at yourself and find ways you can improve. Right, Ash? As someone who came all the way to Alola to train, you already know that, don't you?" -Olivia, Dreams of the Sun and Moon
@@hiddenfan-37 Ash may be champion of Alola but he isn't THE champion because he still had room to grow even after becoming one and there were plenty of trainers like him around outside of Alola. Galar itself felt like the perfect region for Ash after becoming champion, because it was implied lorewise that the Galar gym leaders are stronger than other regions' gym leaders on average, and in Journeys Bea and Raihan are at least on par with the E4 if not champion level. Zactoshi made an amazing rewrite on the Gen 8 anime that follows the same premise you mentioned without undermining Ash's skills or downplaying his champion status.
@@kaffka9221 I did look at Zactoshi's Gen 8 rewrite which is great. But, again, had the actual Gen 8 anime involved Ash competing in the Galar League, then you have a desperate premise because it feels like everyone chose to ignore the fact that Ash won the Alola League, not to mention that Olivia was the one who advised Ash to travel the world (again, no "going to Galar to compete in their gyms" premise anywhere in Sun and Moon nor Journeys). Claiming that "Ash always do Gym Challenges, therefore it is tradition that he continues this quest" when he is already Champion of Alola does not sit well since the formula was getting stale at that point and it undermines Ash's skills. That's like if Cynthia competed in the Unova League despite already being crowned Sinnoh Champion. You can't really answer a question of, "So, it is wrong if Cynthia continued Gym Challenges, but if Ash does compete in Gym challenges, it is automatically fine?" without sounding like a hypocrite. I know Horizons does have Gym Challenges but keep in mind that it's only part of the Terastal Course.
@@Mythicalstories7080 But their bond still stands, besides it was lucarios episode not greninja's, an what use would ash-greninja be in that type of situation
@@StarsAbove_AKA Uhhh dude its still unfair to Ash Grenninja when they remove it from the Flashback aka Flashbacks are ment to remind u of something important and what they did was super dumb
So what? Most of the legends seem in Journeys we've seen before (some even multiple times) and with Goh's goal of catching every pokemon, you should *expect* an increase in legendary sightings. Not to mention. Hell I'd even say it's not even that many more than previous series
@@LinkDingI don't think that takes away from the fact that legendaries felt like common Pokemon here. Simply treating them with a little more respect would have solved that, but we know how it went.
Let’s be honest. The real reason Goh exists in Pokémon anime was to tie into the Pokemon Goh game which had already been put by 3 years at that point. Which is disappointing in itself when you think about it. Hence his name, “Goh.”
Oh so that’s why his Pokémon catches were like 100% each time he threw a pokeball at a Pokémon like he rarely if not never failed at catching a Pokémon which always upset me because bro caught Suicune in a regular Pokeball when it’s only status condition was it was poisoned or well hit with toxic but still at least use an ultra ball on it because it is a Legendary Pokémon but no he just chucks a pokeball hits suicune and catches it it didn’t even break out
And showcased how Pokémon go and regular pokémon don't flesh, AT ALL, specially in the anime. Goh in any other season would have been ARRESTED because he's basically hunting wild life, and doesn't help Ash in specific didn't like people like Goh who only catched pokémon.
I genuinely think Journeys Number 1 Problem by far was being episodic. Having one off eps here and there is fine, every series has that but for Ash’s final series at least like 90% of it should be focused on Ash, Goh, And their Pokémon. I would’ve had Zero issue with Ash not using reserves had Ash’s new team had more time to develop specifically in the first half of the series since the second half they got more shine finally.
Ash is not Red and the team rocket trio wouldn’t have an actual purpose or reason to be involved in the plots at all if Giovanni and the group wasn’t still an active threat as Jessie and James haven’t gained a good niche to do outside of trying to steal Pokémon till Gen 3 where Jessie gained a passion as a coordinator and James is a skilled battler in his own right and has potential as a coordinator too
I feel like one of the reasons Journeys is so hated is because of how much potential it had, and how it squandered like 90% of it. Even with the Master’s 8 tournament, Ash’s matches and Iris VS Cynthia are all fantastic battles, with Ash VS Leon being one of the best battles in the series. But pretty much every other fight felt either rushed or unimportant, and it’s still insane how they thought it was a good idea to only let Leon lose like 1 or 2 Pokémon to Alain and Diantha but Ash is somehow able to beat him. Plus all the filler and like 3 recap episodes
TBF ash had a pretty busted team this time around. A mega Lucario,dragonite,strfetched,gengar,dracovish,and a Pikachu who beat fucking tapu koko. Compare that to his x and y team this one is WAYYY stronger Greninja and goodra were his only carrys in x amd y and mega Charizard loses its fire typing so he ended up just getting stomped for a bad team. He'll he literally had 2 DRAGON TYPES. So I think Allan is overestimated due to his and ash's team during x and y
@@aggresiveiceberglettuce8848 you know i was abt to say hold up because i SWEAR someone told me it lost its fire(because i was told it was neutral(why he lost) and assumed he lost his fire type. thats my bad
@lesterism black and white might as well not have happened. By that point Pikachu has already beaten legends. And he's beaten tapu Kokomo. He's inconsistent(strong when the writers want him to be weak when they want him to be) but he's generally strong
9:26 the thing that pisses me off the most about this is that the whole 'cant handle losses' thing was in XY, and that whole character arc was peak and it was resolved so perfectly, so i dont know who the hell in the writing team came up with that because ash is over that shit
I'm still on the fence about that myself, on one hand it would've been nice to see his reserves used, but then again when I think back to the sinnoh league which is the last time he really employed them, they weren't handled all that well, only 5 of them (Heracross, Snorlax, Sceptile, Noctowl and Quilava) did anything notable, every one else who came back we either didn't see fight, or they were used as canon fodder...and in some cases that made them look weaker than they were during their runs with Ash, take Swellow for example, that bird was a freaking tank during AG, and what happens, it gets sent out and one shotted by a Latios. Sure it's a legendary but that didn't stop Sceptile from taking down Darkrai before hand, it shouldn't have gone down that quick. when it comes to ash's reserves, it's not just about using them but how they are used, because i'm sure that when someone wants their fav reserve to be used, they expect it''s handling to be done in epic animated fashion, but that's asking too much. Also not helping the reserves is that, in that in the second of the 9 episode epilogue they gave us, Misty was able to use her Politoad against Ash's Corphish in a battle over ownership of a Clauncher (which I didn't know why they just didn't let Misty have it, that late in Ash wasn't getting a random common pokemon), and won, but when looking at their past onscreen battling records Corphish should've torn Politoad apart, but that didn't happen effectively making people question if his reserves really were getting stronger at the lab, while some argued that it could've been due to Ash not having used Corphish in so long, it's similar to the swellow situation, because it makes Corphish and by proxy the reserves look bad if they are supposed to be getting stronger by training.
They should've removed Goh entirely. Focused more on Ash developing the pokemon he had. The world coronation series should've allowed multiple gimmicks to be used, but most of the champions use only one, other that Ash with 3 and Cynthia with 2 (Mega and Dynamax). This could've built Leon as even stronger because he only uses one gimmick and is almost better than Ash, and he wouldn't have been cheating. Also they screwed Serena. If they didn't have Goh, they could've done something better. They could've used the same style, with Ash travelling everywhere, but in a coherent story, meeting all his old friends in a way to get stronger, like with Paul, and Ash-Greninja. It would've brought back old characters, allowed for the series to focus on Ash and his team and their development, and he would've had a believable win in the World Coronation Series
@@gooey448 Gloria character plus galar pokemon also galar character, legendary pokemon plus dlc being treat like trash because they want promote death mobile app character
All they had to do with Goh was make him rely too much on using quick balls and later realized how using quick balls is holding him back from being a better trainer for himself and his pokemon But the Pokémon show as a whole is just allergic to causally showing off the other types of Poké balls in the series
In all honesty, I was really worried that Goh was literally going to take over as the main character after Ash left. I’m so glad that didn’t happen at all!
This is a Wii u to Switch situation. Journeys Walked so horizons could run. World Travel Formula This time they really travel from region to region instead of one episode they are in Kalos in the next episode they are in Sinnoh. Dot has the same role as Chloe but actually gets screen time and a lot of character development, more than Roy even. And the story is the best it's ever been
I personally love Chloe's premise. She's someone who's seemingly not interested in Pokémon battles, and she doesn't know what she wants to become, and her journey of discovering herself could have been really interesting. Also she's an introvert and more relatable to me, as she's not as outgoing and was often annoyed by Ash and Goh's antics. To have someone who struggles to find their place in the world and is seemingly ostracized for not being into Pokémon battles, with her classmates thinking she's weird and just doesn't like Pokémon at all (which isn't the case), it's interesting. But then she got Eevee and just became a trainer anyway. Massive wasted potential with Chloe. Also I *HATE* Journeys Ash. He's an insufferable Mary Sue, that's what he is. And there's nothing I despise more in writing than Mary Sues.
I wouldn't say he's a Mary sue, that role belongs to GO, think about it go has caught and out battle ash, how I don't even know and ash most of the times don't take the leader role even tho he a champion and large amount of experience under his belt, he not a Mary sue, he's just an plot device for the anime when they need it.
@@BlitzGaming654 Normally no, but in Journeys definitly. Despite being an complete idiot even though he shouldn't be at that point, he constantly wins almost everything. Even in stuff he knows nothing about, like in that cake decoration contest organized by Opal. He clearly had no idea what he was doing and just made a huge pile of decorations. And yet, he won. He won even though he had no idea what he was doing while Chloe, who was there, clearly knew what she was doing. She should have won. And this is just one example, there are many others. But I guess it wouldn't bother me as much if the writers didn't make him a complete idiot who doesn't know anything when he's supposed to be experienced with Pokémon. Like all these moments where he keeps trying to touch Pokémon that are either wild, wary of him, or upset at him. Sometimes they're more than one at a time. He should know not to do that, and yet he does. And everytime they retaliate by attacking him.
@Oceane1803 nothing that you said here proves he a Mary sue tho, more than anything, it just point out more of an idiot he is and the cake competition is not even worth taking about since they didn't make the cakes they just decorate them, you said he wins all time which is not true, he lost to many times, he even went on a losing streak, for ash to be a Mary sue he as to bend the story to him which he just doesn't, he still loses, is not good at everything he touches.
@Oceane1803 that's more of a reasonable take than just saying he's marysue when he clearly not and I am starting to feel a strange thing with you on Chloe, I know they butched her character, but that's not ash fault, that just bad writing, but one thing I have to say is why are you so hard on ash but goh is much worse, he takes the faults of both Chloe and ash, his character was rushed, he out performs many people in the series which he just shouldn't, makes bad decisions but get rewarded for them, example take the raid battle with articono, refused to listen to gery who had to carry them through the battle, and ash played last wheel in this whole thing, even tho he is spouse to be the strongest. And you say people praise him that's kinda a no-brainer since he is kinda the companion of a whole region and many other wins under his belt.
My main problem with the series is that they don't go the traditional route of having ash travel the galar region, collecting badges and moving up to the regions pokemon league like he usually does. They did some Galar region stuff here and there, but Journeys should've been focused on the galar region instead of Ash traveling to a bunch of regions he's already been to.
they tried to go different route and their idea was pretty good but their exucation was bad they focused too much on kanto, goh and chloe. goh literally got 60% of episodes which is why we barely saw any ash battles. Team rocket was handled terribly too also lack of focus on other regions and anything the only positive was lots of returing characters
"Ash should compete in the Galar League because it is tradition he always does this quest" premise is like if Cynthia competed in the Unova League while completely ignoring the fact she's already Sinnoh Champion - desperate and hypocritical.
"The guy who beat Ash so bad he woke up from his coma." LMFAO. Bro knows comedy! But really good video man, really touched on all the key points that made Pokemon Journeys as bad as it is and why it was so controversial. sadly pokemon journeys will always be the best example of wasted potential.
as a series I'm fine (for now). But the thing is, this is THE LAST time we saw Ash as a protagonist of the Pokemon Anime, but they made the series more focused on Goh. They could make the first half just like the usual Journeys episodes we got, Ash & Goh travelling together, they catch pokemons, gathering pokemon data that the professor ask, Project Mew (let Ash join but as minor character), wrap the first half of the series, then separated, Goh continue to chase his dream &the second half of Journeys anime will be Ash in Galar, introduced to World Tournament, Ash using his previous Pokemons, became the world champions, etc. It will be more interesting as Ash's final good bye. To Older fans too, imagine people who stopped watching Pokemon after AG, then others tell them Ash became the world champion. They wanna experience the story but they have to watch the whole Journeys. Journey have 136 episodes, they could actually divide it into 68:68, or perhaps 100:36
To be fair, the moment we got Quick Balls we just threw that shit straight away, and unless you're trying catch a Pokemon with really low catch rate you're pretty much guaranteed to catch it. Also, Goh's name kind of gave away which style he was following. It was Pokemon Go, where you didn't battle wild Pokemon at all.
My biggest problem is that the only friend that showed at Ash'es (or hovewer you say that idk) most important day of his life was Dawn, WHERE ARE THE OTHERS??? Watching on TV is just disrespectful (also goh i hate goh i hate goh i hate goh i hate goh i hate goh)
HEY! That was me! Honestly bro, fantastic video and its awesome to get more viewpoints like this from creators like yourself in the space to see what people REALLY think of this series. Ash DID cheat. 100%!
Hey Infamous, that clip I remember watching back when I got back into Pokemon, it was u reacting to episode 25 of journeys, it was so hype then! U guys were the ones who inspired me to make anipoke content. Its possible if u didn't post that vid my channel may not have existed. Anyways thanks for watching
7:01 Thomas did this in its first and fourth seasons, mashing two stories into one adaptation. Thomas did this so much better because the stories… actually had something to do with each other (for the most part.)
They really should have made the Masters 8 or whatever a much more massive thing. In Gen 4, Ash brought all of his Pokemon in from past gens and used mixed teams of all of them, save for against Paul. Here, he just stuck with the same guys... We should have seen all the OG's coming out to help against each champ.
the problem can be boiled down to -journeys biting off more than it could chew (which it might have been able to manage if covid never happened olm never got scrambled) -really poor writing at times like they wrote themselves into a corner with steven also the fact this is ash’s last series and the final episodes were nostalgia bait filler was really awful
Tbf, with Goh, the reason why he was catching pokemon without fighting a lot of them was cause he was supposed to be the character for pokemon Go players, as to why is name is Goh & how the catching is reminiscent of pokemon Go.
in fact, Goh is simply the personification of the very player who wants to catch them all, but sometimes this desire can turn into an obsession (and most importantly, he has almost no stories of catching his Pokemon) which is shown. if Goh had been replaced by Bea, Pokemon journeys probably wouldn't have received so much hate
Journeys grew on me, when I first saw goh catch a suicune in a mother lovin’ poke ball I was incensed! However after a while…after drizzile’s introversion, rabboot’s akward emo phase, jacked magikarp, grookey’s walk home…I love it
Journeys should not have used an episodic formula, filler episodes, disregard Ash's reserves, as well as over glorifying Kanto. If there's a world travelling premise, the other regions need focus as well. Horizons started fresh and is rectifying all the mistakes Journeys made... About disregard Ash's reserves. Sure, it's great that Ash's Journeys team help beat Leon, and yes, the writers may have proved that "Ash does not need to use his reserves to win the PWC." But, pride comes before the fall, because when Ash finally got to use his reserves after beating Leon, everyone all over the world launched a full scale backlash and condemned the anime for this giant mistake pointing out that Ash should have used his reserves throughout Journeys. Nowadays, the tradition of Ash overusing his current team while ignoring his reserves is now the most hated premise ever. I think that if Ash were to return, he has to have new evolutions in his reserves (looking at you: Meganium, Typhlosion, Feraligatr, Crawdaunt, Floatzel, Garchomp, Samurott, Emboar, Serperior, Scrafty, Gigalith, Seismitoad, Annihilape) as well as be given new captures that the writers still owe Ash (e.g., Flygon, Magnezone, Houndoom, Beartic). A world travelling premise is great but the fact the premise mostly takes in place in Kanto, along with Aim to be a Pokemon Master being a homage to the original series, proved that the writers overglorified Kanto. At least Horizons is resolving some problems by giving more focus in Galar compared to Journeys (so far we got Kabu, Galarian Moltres, Liko gets a Hatenna which is now a Hattrem) along with the Terastal Training taking place in Paldea.
The thing of Ash focusing on new Pokemon in every region is ok, as that have allowed Ash to have a very strong and diverse group of Pokemon ready to battle. That is not the problem. The PROBLEM is when he doesn't use them for the main tournament or events, like in the Pokemon Leagues or, in this case, the Pokemon World Championship. Heck, that is one of the first things Brock told Ash during his first Pokemon League: to see the need to change Pokemon between battles to be absolute ready for everything. I like that he did that during the first 4 Leagues (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh), but after that, the rarely changes teams. Like, come on, man! You are facing the WORLD CHAMPION. Use your very best from ALL your Journeys! That would have been a good ending: use the Pokemon from ALL your Journeys... during Pokemon Journeys!
@@Saiyan0X It wasn't in Hoenn League. Ash overused his Hoenn team and failed to fully evolve his Grovyle and Corphish before the League, hence his loss against Tyson. That would be Battle Frontier where Ash does use some of his reserves like Snorlax, Tauros, and Donphan, as well as fully evolving his Grovyle into Sceptile. But the rest, I think there are some reasons why the writers went there: Unova: Ash caught too many Pokemon which meant that most members were not fully evolved and he regressed from Top 4 in Sinnoh to Top 8 in Unova. Just goes to show why trying to prove that Pokemon don't need evolution to get strong, along with claiming that personality and cuteness is what kids want was not worth it. Kalos: Because of the release of ORAS, the writers recycled a lot of story elements from the Hoenn League part of the story (albeit more subtle than BW) and that includes Ash overusing his Kalos team and losing the League, but in this case it was more of not enough practice with Ash-Greninja (Alain had more practice with Mega Charizard X as shown in the Mega Evolution Specials) along with no Mega Evolution for Ash. It took until Journeys for Ash to finally use Mega Evolution. Alola: I'll let that slide since his Alola team help Ash become Champion. PWC: If it's a world travelling premise, besides building a new team, the writers should have let Ash use his reserves throughout Journeys. Instead, the true reward for that stunt was a full scale backlash from fans, which probably went something like this: Writers: "We proved that Ash did not need reserves for PWC, why are you so mad at us?" Fans: You should have let Ash used the reserves and fully evolved all the ones you messed up on!
@@Saiyan0X Same here don't mind New Teams each region. As for the Leagues well in Kanto it was his 1st so, he had no reserves, sure he had other pokemon he caught, but do they count as reserves? In Johto he did use his reserves, but that's really only because his Johto Team couldn't carry him all the way, as they underdeveloped. Hoenn he decided to use only his Hoenn Mons. Though he brought some back in BF! Shinnoh he did use his reserves, though I Wish it'd been handled Better. Unova too many overlapping types. Still don't get Palpitoad & Leavanny catches. Tepig was the same story line from all his other Fire Starters. And he Regressed from Top 4 to Top 8 from a sorry that Loss really Stung why O why did they have Ash Lose to Cameron when there were Better Trainers for him to Lose to like Virgil. Kalos The BIG 1!!! The one where he Wins Silver!!! When he should've Won Gold!!! He didn't get Mega Evolution and WORSE they had to Gift him a "Special" Mega Evolution" just so he could keep up is Terrible! That episode title man, I don't think I'll ever get over it. Alola only because of the MASSIVE BACKLASH of Kalos League does he Finally WIN! But the way it was handled was Bad, I mean srsly NO 6v6 Battles? And b4 anyone says, but Ash vs Kukui; well that wasn't a League Battle so it doesn't count! JN should've been 2 seasons. 1st in Galar for a New Galarian Team! Srsly Sir'Fetch'd & Dracovish needed Better Development & they could do that on a Galar Team! 2nd should've been the PWC and Rotating his Reserves! Kinda like Ronin Charizard's What if Ash Won the PWC Rewrite series he has going on.
Ash typically disregards his reserves because he's supposed to be repping the main series games (just like how Goh reps Pokémon Go). In Johto, Ash was allowed to use his Kanto Pokémon because you, as the player, could also transfer your Gen 1 mons from R/B/Y to Gen 2 G/S/C. He wasn't allowed to take his previous mons to Hoenn because transfer between Gen 2 and Gen 3 wasn't allowed. He could use all of them again in Sinnoh because Gen 3 to Gen 4 transfer was allowed again. Ash becomes a beginner level trainer again in Unova because Gen 5 was meant to be a soft-reboot of the whole franchise.
I liked Journeys when it was all said and done, but a problem I always had was that it didn't do enough to feel like the end of Ash's adventure. It wasn't until the Masters 8 where it truly felt like this could be the end, and even then there was a good assortment of missed potential.
Really great video dude. Really summed up well why I couldnt find much enjoyment watching journeys as much as the other series... except like idk? dragonite hugs, fetch being chad, dracorvish being dracorvish, gengar having such a cool a$ gigantamax, [NO], and final ep being done well.
Don't forget that another thing that was so bad about Pokemon Journeys is the fact that that was when the writers got into totally ruining the personalities of the Team Rocket trio and didn't fix that up! In previous seasons Jessie, James, and Meowth were doing things that caused a fanbase for them to be created, then those writers totally messed those 3 characters up in Journeys by having them only do annoying bad stuff instead of having them continue to behave on screen as the likable and sympathetic antagonists who would do silly bad stuff and also good stuff and cared about the Pokemon that they had with them, which they had been seen as in most of the previous seasons of the Pokemon anime. It sucks that that trio were done dirty in Journeys too.
Goh is the representative for the player and the audience who plays Pokémon GO that's his whole gimmick and story plot. Which Pokémon GO doesn't really have a story unless you do the event.
Journeys was so mid man 😭. I liked it at the beginning but it ended up being unbelievably disappointing after a while. Journeys had great episodes past season 1 but there was a huge focus issue with the show, mostly to do with important stuff and filler with the main issue being that they'd focus on filler or rush concepts that were actually interesting into only one episode. They also didn't really develop Ash's team at all with Ash mainly focusing on only Lucario and Sirfetch'd and basically sidelining Gengar, Dragonite and Dracovish. Then the production issues caused the Masters Eight to end up being insanely disappointing minus the Cynthia and Leon battles. Anyways great video 👍
I agree with you, dude it sort of as brilliant. Enjoy your bowl only for it to fumble when it went on just a few more tweaks, then it could’ve been a poor with diamond and pearl and XY as one of if not the best Pokémon series like nothing ever was
I actually enjoyed Chloe. I know she and Eevee were there to appeal to female viewers, but it was nice since she also was someone who wasn’t interested in Pokémon. Plus, bringing back Pokémon contests felt very refreshing. If it wasnt for Chloe’s intro in Journeys, I don’t know if anyone would’ve been optimistic about Liko in Horizons.
Here are some of my main criticisms of JN, some people will be incredibly salty with my criticisms. Ash's Pokémon are barely there, one thing all the other series did right, even ones that were not great like AG, BW, and SM had the Pokémon interact with each other, one of my favorite episodes, Tears for Fears is nothing but Pokémon interacting with each other. It seems the only Pokémon Ash has are Lucario and Pikachu, while Goh only has the Galar starters. How Goh catches Pokémon. This one has been talked to death. The way that Goh catches Pokémon goes against the Anime rules of catching them. To catch a Pokémon, you either a, battle it, or b, it agrees to come with you. Yeeting Pokeball's at a Pokémon is not how you are supposed to catch a Pokémon. Another minor gripe is how Goh's Pokémon are registered to the Pokedex , which is not how a pokedex works in the anime. How Ash's character is handled, I have a lot of issues with how Ash was handled in SM and JN, from his stupidity to pitching up his voice. Most of the problems with Ash in JN started in SM, where they make him the butt monkey of both the SM and JN groups, meaning he is the butt of every demeaning joke and his stupidity is played for cheap laughs. The anime really needs to stop playing Ash's stupidity for laughs in general, it's not funny and it a poor attempt at humor. Who ever thought it was a good idea to pitch up Ash's voice in SM and JN should be fired. In essence, they took everything bad about Ash in SM and cranked it up to eleven. Pacing problems, JN has a lot of pacing problems. Their is a lot of filler episodes, like a lot, it just feels like it is just a slog to get through. Another thing is how JN tries to cram everything into 1 to two episodes when it would be better to have a multi episode arc. A good example of this is for the BDSP episodes, that should have been more than two episodes. Chloe, she is pretty much sidelined in the series, she pretty much cannot decide whether she wants to travel with Ash and Goh or not. She had a lot of potential as a character, but it has been squandered, with JN having 30-40 episodes left, I do not see anything changing yet. Nostalgia bating, a lot of characters were promised to return in the series. For the most part, they have delivered on that end. However, it seems that they are only having characters return to keep fans who do not like the creative direction watching the show. It is like they know that people do not like the show and the characters, so it feels like they are dangling character returns like a carrot. Gary, Iris, Dawn, and Ash's old Pokémon have returned in the series, the only one who got a meaningful return in my opinion is Dawn, the rest, the studio shoved the characters in an episode and called it as day. They are now teasing much more returns, Greninja, Bonnie, Clement, and Paul. Hopefully these are good returns and the studio is not just dangling a carrot to keep people watching.
Glad I’m not the only one that has an issue with the nostalgia baiting, it’s literally just “remember this, remember that” and in some cases it’s just briefly, also for whatever reasons some returning Pokémon evolve off screen not even a flashback and it’s also a complete waste that some of ash’s pokemon don’t evolve at all, Screw JN
I'd argue Dawn wasn't that meaningful since it seemed like she just woke up from being cryogenically frozen since BW. No new Pokemon, evolutions or accomplishments compared to the other companions. Iris became a Champion, May and Serena became idols; May couldn't even speak because her VA retired. PokeMas Dawn was a more meaningful return. It would have been forgiveable if the excuse was that she was trapped in Hisui in all that time and got to evolve her Quillava.
THANK YOU! Goh, Pokémon broke the number one rule that was established in the earliest days of Pokémon! Which is battling first then catching! As for Ash, don’t know why they have to switch up the voice for. And don’t get me started with him searching for data on the FLOOR! And with nostalgia baiting, yeah… they were just playing with us like that. Some got some development when they’ve separated from Ash but others got nothing that they’ve changed at all. Not the best series like in the levels of D&P or X&Y series, but not the worse than what happened with the B&W series.
What Journeys should've done is: Having the series taking it's time & not rushing it. No pointless filler episodes, more Galar representation Ash catching more pokemon than just 5 pokemon. Ash should've had the following new pokemon in my opinion: 1. Pikachu 2. Dragonite 3. Gengar 4. Lucario 5. Sirfetch'd 6. Dracovish 7. Rillaboom 8. Inteleon 9. Cinderace 10. Flygon 11. Tyranitar 12. Corviknight 13. Zoroark 14. Zeraora 15. "Nebby" Solgaleo - Officially catching it 16. Lugia 17. Latios 18. Latias And Ash should've also used all his other past pokemon in the WCS & evolving them, & got back his Primeape, Greninja Also he should've gotten the chance to battle & beat more Elite 4 members, beat his past league rivals he lost against, & beat the other pokemon league champion winners. And also battle & beat Regional Champs Lance & Diantha Not have Goh hogging half the attention, Not making it so easy for Goh to catch a legendary, he wasted Grookey, Project Mew should've been more his main goal from the start. Chloe should've been better developed & had a real goal & caught more pokemon like the Galarian Ponyta, Hatterene Team Rocket was terrible: They should've been how they were in Black & White & at the end, finally leaving Team Rocket
Journeys should've been regular series, because Ash winning Alola league, definitely doesn't mean he's champion level. Especially since this is Alola league which has James in Top 8 and final battle is 3 vs 3. Journeys should've been Ash beating gyms but gyms are much stronger than previous gym and him losing in Galar league to Peony in Top 4. Making him officially Elite Four level trainer. Gen 9 was perfect for Ash, that he wants to train to become champion as he becomes one by beating Nemona and Geeta. This is perfect Ash's progression. Then, Gen 10 would be PWC in which Ash wins entire thing and gets replaced by new kids.
Giving Ash all three Galar starters would have been a horrible idea, since this was the reason why Ash's Johto and Unova teams failed (I know Ash had all three starters in Kanto as well, but people should have realized it only worked once). Plus, since Ash is Champion, giving him new starters is pretty much a permanent downgrade in his skills and each Galar starter given to Ash would have ran the risk of being a lazy clone. (I am also aware that Leon had all three Galar starters but Leon likely obtained them prior to becoming Galar Champion). Cinderace: We already had Charizard and Infernape and I think the writers want another male protagonist besides Ash to have a Current Gen Fire Starter as an ace, since May has Blaziken and Serena has Delphox. Inteleon: It does have GMax, but giving Ash a GMax Inteleon would have been seen as a lazy repeat of Ash's Greninja (Water starter with super form). Rillaboom: Cool but it does run the risk of being a Sceptile clone, plus we've seen Ash obtain a lot of Grass starters and the writers needed someone else to have a Grass starter ace. Grookey is the main reason why Liko's Sprigatito had to evolve.
Goh as a character in of itself to tie in Pokémon Go is not bad by all means. However, the way they did it for Ash last journey was a disservice to fans. Ash last journey really should just been him alone for once and going around doing different things solo and discovering things in his own that lead to him becoming a top champion. This was the moment but they blew it up because of the Pokémon Go mechanic when we all know at some point the game could eventually shut down. This is something a last journey in terms of story should have ended on because now people will look back and be like “oh journeys ash last series and it’s majors ties to Pokémon go that we can’t longer play” when decades come later. This is my issue with this.
Something that genuinely annoyed me about journeys was the masters 8 tournament. Due to the series wanting to have Ash and Goh travel throughout all the regions it leaves so little time for Galar and when we actually do get to Galar it feels like any other romp specifically because of the masters 8 tournament. Galar in the games treated the pokemon league like this massive deal. Gym leaders were treated like sports celebrities, challengers were treated like rising stars, and of course we had the trainer cards. But with the tournament being worldwide and being broadcasted everywhere it takes away what made Galar stand out from the other regions resulting in it feeling like more of The same.
Hi! As a certified journeys defender allow me to say some counter points to yours. 1. ASH DID NOT CHEAT, Leon said you can use all three then management said you can use all three and once Ash agreed the rules were changed so both sides could use all three thus allowing Leon to use a second G-max when Eternatus gave that a reset. 2. Even if he used all three he actually need those as all of Leon's Pokemon are as strong as a champions ace, so Ash using all three at the end of the day gives him the power to Level the playing field plus Charizard vs Pikachu had no gimmicks just two Pokemon going at it. 3. Alain did very well for being the weakest in the masters 8, he used 1 super effective move from his ace to take out Rillaboom who went on to tank multiple hits from future opponents Alain took it out with one super effective move from chestnaught and one from his Charizard which is the best performance against it we saw. 4. It didn't disrespect Paul he helped Ash train for the WCS and he also would have got swept by Leon if he was there. 5. The episodic nature has one benifit and that you can just watch the episodes you like you don't have to watch the ones you don't want too, which is how I will watch it in the future. 6. Goh can do that because he is go as in Pokemon go, so he can catch Pokemon like you can in Pokemon go, plus the hunter weakened Suicune for him then it chose to stay. 7. Chloe was cool as a what am I going to do character, it is really just the ending that is disappointing but aside from that she was good, especially in the last 2 episode in JN where she appreciates her Eevee for helping her grow. 8. Like I said before you can skip filler I any series but in a episodic anime you can skip it even more if you don't want to watch it, personally the filler doesn't bother me as if it were to just appear randomly on TV you can just sit down and watch it and have 20 minutes of fun. 9. The best part of journeys that helped me appreciate it is when you see a episode of JN on tv and not batch watching on Netflix, you can just watch it and enjoy it, as it was intended, but if you are watching on Netflix you can just skip all the bad and go straight to the good nothing is stopping you. 10. The fact that Ash beat all these champions was cool, in fact the only bad battle was Leon vs Diantha because we didn't get to see it all, thanks to some kid getting lost. 11. While the best part may have been the returning characters, there is more to like then just, but it does provide nice world building by having show up like with Iris, but also by having them show up it proves Pokemon is interconnected, some people think dp Ash and every Ash after is not the same Ash but that is not the case. 12. Back to Paul, they say let's battle again sometime to most of not all of the people Ash has battled against so that does not mean they are going to battle again. 13. Pokemon does remember who Paul is that's why they had him come back to train his Pokemon alongside his old Pokemon, because they know only Paul can do that. 14. Ash forgets Pokemon typings all the time even in the previous series Alola he forgets poison moves don't work on steel types, it is just apart of his character. 15. Again the strength of episodic is you can watch the episodes you like and I think that is how you should watch JN on the future, the Ash gets a Pokemon Episodes, the Ash fights in the WCS episodes, a episode where a Pokemon evolves, and the masters Tournament, plus MPM because Ash uses old Pokemon there and I know lots of people like that. 16. Ash is a champion now. He can train his newbie Pokemon up to champion level I'm sure if Cynthia started with a new team she could do the same and no one would complain but because it's Ash everyone complains. 17. It is in Ash's character to raise up a new team each gen it should not be a surprise. Plus once he beat Cynthia and got permission to use all of his tools he showed why he took the time to earn them and that pays off, as he now is ready to face Leon both at full power,and in the end the best one vs one happened and that had nothing to rely on, Ash's Pikachu is just better then Leon's Charizard. 18. He cheated because you can't do that. YES HE CAN THE RULES WHERE CHANGED TO SO IT WAS LEGAL TO DO THAT, THATS THE WHOLE POINT. 19. He clearly didn't need to use his old Pokemon and infact if he did just swap out his JN team for his old Pokemon at the masters Tournament he would have lost round 1 only the JN team have the power to stand up to champions. 20. Lastly the journeys team trained constantly for the battle vs Leon and so they earned the win. I hope you have a good day and to anyone who read all this thank you.
I get where ur coming from. But for me I prefer the linear path of pokemon instead of episodic formatting. Even if u like all the characters, choices and such. I still think how they used to do it was a much more enjoyable and consistent story. But some will prefer the episodic format and others won’t. Journeys is very split because of this because it’s definitely an acquired taste.
@@gooey448ah yes, this comment and you only respond to one part of it lol, totally understand if you read it but only have one thing to say, as I did make twenty points. Thanks for reading my comment and replying as I never expected a reply, even if you did end up reading it. :D
while I do agree that it was legal, what I didnt like was ash didnt win the world championship under the same conditions as leon. And to the point that each of his pokemon are equal to a champions ace, DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAS MULTIPLE POKEMON THAT ARE ON THAT LEVEL. RIGHT ASH. ASH HAS CHARIZARD, INFERNAPE, GRENINJA,PICKACHU,SCEPTILE, AND MULTIPLE ALOLAN POKEMON. BUT INSTEAD HE HAD TO USE MULTIPLE INEXPERIENCED GALAR POKEMON. THEY COULD HAVE MAD A CONVINCING ASH WIN WITH THE SAME CONDITIONS AS LEON BUT THEY DIDNT. THATS WHAT I HATE.
I feel like the main reason for all of this is that pokemon journeys was directed towards kids. I was still pretty young when it first came out, so the “bad humour” was still very funny. I think they could’ve put more screen time of the old characters and regions in. Maybe new watchers woulda been compelled to watch the other series. It’s been more humor and not a lot of that “deep” conversation and battles, it’s like they think the kids watching are dumb and wouldn’t understand it. A new spin off series with goh woulda been nice instead of him catching everything so easily. I get that he wasn’t the main character, so the didn’t spend too much time developing him and his bond with pokemon, but it still made it like he outshone ash.
My biggest problem is that they didn’t bring back grainjaia cause I got so excited when I saw him teaching lucario BUT NOOOOOO THEY HAD TO CRUCH MY 7 YEAR OLD SELF RETURNING TO ME
Restarting Ash's journey for his final series was a mistake. We could have seen bigger rematches with his toughest opponents, witness the learning and rise of Goh as Ash's student, and seen Ash use his old teams and recruit his best hitters from previous series for the Championship. Instead, we got subpar callbacks, a Goh who is as disconnected as Pokemon GO, and another confusing Ash timeline that ends with him defeating trainers with far more experience and knowledge in battle based on what we saw in the show.
Lots of people already made their suggestions in here but I think I'll add mine as well: - Nearly everyone already talked about Galar getting incredibly ignored on this series which I think was a detriment. I definitely wouldn't have minded going to other regions at times but the focus should've been on Galar. I think the way to obviously mesh showing off the cities and gym leaders and the PWC is obviously having all of them competing and having Ash going through them as he scales through the ratings letting us see them appear in full force since they are fighting for a serious tournament instead of handing out badges and it still allows Ash to focus on battles with gyms from other regions from time to time. - In regards to Ash not using his reserves, I just don't get it at all. He basically got to where he's at because of them and they could've used Journeys to finish some storylines or evolves Pokemon (imagine Ash having a Quilava, having the PLA special having him evolve it into a H-Typhlosion or Scraggy fully mastering Focus Blast and evolving). Hell, you could've even had storylines between the old and new Pokemon basically explaining that Ash's Galar team is ridiculously strong because they are getting power-trained by all of Ash's combined older Pokemon. Lots of potential to also use a combination of new and old Pokemon to show off on those PWC matches to show off new moves and let the newbies get more experience and absorb tactics. I can even imagine the final version of his team being given a fair chance at going after Leon after several of Ash's strongest reserves helped clear people like Steven and Cynthia. - Goh's place not just on this arc but the series in itself is so weird because while I understand "Gotta catch 'em all" is the motto for the games it feels very different in the anime where Pokemon clearly have backstories and personalities. Uprooting them as frivolously as Goh seemingly does just because he wants them feels really off compared to basically every other main crew character we've had until now and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth plus it felt the Project Mew arc stole far too much time from the main thing we wanted to see in the end which was the PWC which didn't help matters and just led to people skipping those episodes altogether. - Chloe was mishandled like crazy, I don't even understand why she went through this whole adventure of choosing a path for herself and then still deciding to help her dad despite that not being her calling. Like, why did we even waste time on all of this? Aside from shilling Eevee, of course. Overall I get the vibe of Journeys and appreciate what it was trying to do but I don't like how poorly handled it ended up being. Definitely will be rewatching bits and pieces but not much more. PS: wish instead of catching Sirfetch'd Ash would've gotten a Blipbug since he never had a Psychic-type and it would've been fun to see him train an actually weak Pokemon with no confidence into a powerful Orbeetle.
Too bad that they didn’t have extra time like with Pokemon xyz because the reason why xyz was so good is because they had so much time with it, too back that journeys didn’t have that extra time too..
Personally galar had more potential to show then the Pokemon company did. Like not giving a fucking starter to ash and many other things like disrespecting the characters. And its also kinda similar to horizon quite paced. And how weak Ash would have been without all those mega evo,dynamax and z moves. I mean the battle was great and the animation as well but the thing is that ash is quite weak without those gimmick and then the company decides to give ash a sendoff which also wasnt proper. Ash still has like a lot room to grow. He wouldn't have beaten leon without the use of all those gimmicks.
NGL it should've been a masters 10 or something and then it includes Mr hackerman27 (tobias). More importantly, it should be like a round robin for the first stage where everyone faces everyone once and then the top 4 people (who have the most wins) would go into a tourney. That way there would be more battles for Ash to use his old pokemon and get revenge on trainers like Mr hackerman and alan. Also full 6v6 battles. I know this would take up a bunch of episodes but like this is the most important part of the series and no one gives a frik about goh's catching thing (that he never finished so like what was the point) nor whatever chloe was doing.
I just don’t get why Ash just didn’t bring back his past Pokemon? I mean, I get he already had a team of 6, but I would expect him to bring out his Aces in an International Tournament with every Champion (and Alain) with the exception of Geeta. I mean, you could have Ash sub out one of his Journeys lineup of Pokemon for Lycanroc or Sceptile, just to make it a little more tricky for the opponent to deal with, because they likely would have already been watching and observing his past matches in Galar and be slightly thrown off by a rotating lineup. After that, you could put in the subbed out Pokemon back to the lineup and sub out another Pokemon for another ace, and rinse and repeat. Not only would it not be wasting his current lineup, but it would also fit the theme of Journeys, which was revisiting Ash’s past regions
Glad I wasn't the only one who inwardly felt like Ash did not deserve the win against Leon. I was really hyped for how Journeys started. It felt nice to meet new characters. What really started to make me think the show had problems was when go caught Suicune in a pokeball that easily. I was in shock and disbelief and it somehow triggered me. And then the later half, i was bored with the project Mew arc since it didn't catch my attention unless it had Gary there. And don't even get me started with the Masters 8 arc. In my opinion, it was handled poorly with the exceptions of a few battles. Any of Ash's battles felt like plot armor or the writers had to make the opponent hold back to give Ash even a chance at winning
i personally enjoy journeys a lot. i think the only point i agree with is that ash never used his older pokemon in the world coronation series and masters 8 as someone who tries to complete pokedexes, i like goh. i think the problem most viewers have is that it was such a major shift in the formula
Go reminded me a bit of Crystal in the manga at first as her thing was that all pokemons were catchable if you knew where to trow and how to trow the ball. But. . . well, even she had problems at times to catch and had to start over after her arms got hurt. But Go. . . let's be honest here, has master balls, only master balls that he paints into pokeballs.
I’m sorry but I’m a germ believer that ash needed plot armor to beat Leon and Sythia they made it to were garchomp didn’t go mega and had ash use 3 gimicks while Leon used 1 I’m not saying ash didn’t earn his wins I’m saying the writers went about it wrong
I, personally, believe he didn’t deserve the win. I mean come on, no ten year old by any logic should win the freaking WORLD COORDINATION I would argue they should have aged ash a little first, then he should have won. It shouldn’t just be meaningful; it should be realistic
I personally found Journeys fun but not the best, XY and Sun&Moon takes that. However it still annoys me that Ash didnt use any of his old pokemon, especially his best performing pokemon from his previous adventures for the Leon battle since its the CHAMPIONSHIP BATTLE.
The one thing I didn’t like about Pokemon Journeys is that it felt more like an adaptation of Pokemon Go than Sword & Shield and there was a lot of focus on old Pokemon as not all of the Gen 8 Pokemon appeared. Plus no movies for it. The one with Zarude should’ve taken place within the main series. I saw no point in movie reboots. Whats more is the GS Ball plot was never resolved and Team Rocket is still active. I always imagined how the Pokemon anime would end (or at least Ash’s story) and was always hoped it would be the take down of the whole Team Rocket organization and Ash’s father would be involved too.
One of the reasons Journey's was so bad, was because they focused so much more on Goh than Ash, when this is literally Ash's show, this is his final season why tf are you focusing on Goh? Goh was also just not likable, as you mentioned.
5:39 You're a bit mistaken on this point. Goh's goal was ALWAYS to catch Mew. It was to the point where he didn't want to catch ANY other Pokemon, until Ash convinced him in like Episode 3(?) that it would be impossible to catch Mew without any Pokemon of his own. From that point, Goh decided that catching every Pokemon was the best path to finding Mew, who contains the DNA of every Pokemon.
1 - Literally the region he is champion of didn't even go there to watch him. 2 - A lucario that randomly beats a Garchomp that has years of experience is straight bs 3 - Many pokemon got completely ignored when they could have got their time to shine 4 - His team seems to be the strongest yet it's the most recent one (Are you serious?) 5 - 3/4 of his traveling friends didn't care about him being the champion he always dreamed about 6 - Legendary pokemon aren't as legendary as they once were since they're seen way too frequently as no big deal
I Think with Pokemon journey, the pokemon company DOESN'T KNOW how to make a series that doesn't follow a league of some kind. So they where most-likely struggling the whole time and wondering where to take the series if it doesn't follow the pokemon league formula. Most likely they got so used to the pokemon league formula of the series, that they don't know how to write anything else. I believe they mastered the pokemon league formula of the show in pokemon xyz and then had to write a similar but not the same formula for Sun and moon. Most likely when it was announced that instead of going back to the pokemon league formula for galar, it would be journeys instead. The writer panicked because they couldn't think of anything original anymore so they had the journey focus on fanservice not realizing that it has been so long that they ended up making mistakes during the fanservice. Long story short. The Pokemon show creators are unable to make anything that isn't following some kind of League formula so that is why journey sucks. It was the pokemon show creators ONLY attempt to do a series WITHOUT a league formula to follow. Pokemon has been going on for SO LONG... that the show creator can't think of anything that doesn't follow the pokemon league formula in some way. Pokemon journey is basically designed like a spin-off of the pokemon anime in ever way except officially.
The Ash-Goh dynamic could have worked if they helped each other using their respective knowledge of the games they're repping. Ash, who is repping the main series games, should have been more battle focused and helped Goh with that, while Goh (who is repping Pokémon Go) could have coached Ash on how to catch Pokémon quickly and efficiently instead of wearing them down with a battle (Idk what Pokémon Go's gimmick is, I never played it). I can imagine why Ash losing the knowledge of basic type matchups and Goh having to coach him through it didn't sit well with fans. Especially when those type matchups have been a part of the main series, the games Ash is supposed to represent, since the very beginning. If I were re-writing it, the series would have been split into two halves. The first half would have been called Pokémon Journeys, in which Ash takes the Galarian gym challenge, travels all over Galar and battles in the League like normal. Sure, it's somewhat formulaic, but this arc would have acted as a "Back to Basics" type thing, especially after the palate cleanser that was Sun & Moon. In this arc, Ash would have used exclusively new Pokémon like he does every time he arrives in a new region. Ash would then end up winning the League, which would have resulted in him getting noticed by Leon, the #1 trainer in the world, and him proving to the IRL audience that he can in fact win a regular League, and not just unconventional island championships like the Orange Archipelago and Alola League. The second half would be Pokémon Ultimate Journeys, which would start with Ash getting invited to the World Coronation Series by Leon (or Cynthia if you want a familiar face). He'd then spend the series re-treading through all the previous regions, re-visiting significant places, re-battling old rivals, and re-meeting old friends (and all his released Pokémon too). If you guessed it, yes the series would have been one giant pile of fanservice. At the end of which, Ash enters the Masters 8, fights through all the Champions, and finally becomes the #1 trainer in the world. IMO it'd feel way more earned this way. And if you're asking "Didn't Ash already beat Leon if he won the Galar League?" Remember that winning the League in the anime is way different than winning the League in the games. In the games, winning the League means fighting through the Elite 4 and the Champion. In the anime however, it means beating all the other participants who qualified for the League. So, no Ash wouldn't have beaten Leon if he won the Galar League.
,,And if you're asking "Didn't Ash already beat Leon if he won the Galar League?" Remember that winning the League in the anime is way different than winning the League in the games. In the games, winning the League means fighting through the Elite 4 and the Champion. In the anime however, it means beating all the other participants who qualified for the League. So, no Ash wouldn't have beaten Leon if he won the Galar League.'' But winning the regional league gives you the opportunity to fight the elite four and the regional champion just like in the game. This was said in episode 35 "Elite Meet and Greet!" Diamond and Pearl 🙄
@spinotikus1518 Yes. You only get "the opportunity" to fight the E4 and the champion. Meaning you can do it if you want to, but it isn't a requirement. We haven't seen any other League winner fight their champions and yet they still got the trophy for winning the League. Hell, Tobias had (at the very least) 2 legendary Pokèmon on his team. But Cynthia is still the Sinnoh Champion. Meaning either Cynthia defeated him and his legendaries, or he elected not to fight her.
Despite its flaws, I honestly still enjoyed journeys. Sure I wish it would’ve been better but I still had fun while watching it, and ash becoming world champion has made me the most happiest I have ever felt thru the whole anime. But yeah I won’t deny that this series in the anime isn’t perfect and there are things that I wish were done better like having all of ash’s travel companions and rivals in the actual stadium to watch him battle Leon. For Goh, I do understand that his whole gimmick is Pokemon go, but it still feels unfair that he could catch so many pokemon way too easily while ash always struggled to battle them before catching them. As for Chloe… man out of all the pokegirls, her conclusion was dumb. She wasn’t interested to become a pokemon researcher just like her dad during the start of the series and that’s exactly what she decides to do, like what??… and the fact that her eevee didn’t even evolved was disappointing. And the two eleven minute fillers were so dumb and unnecessary. Heck, I’m even disappointed that Paul (the rival who I freaking hate and refuse to forgive him for abusing my fire baby chimchar) wasn’t in the championship, it’s like the writers forgot what Cynthia said back in the sinnoh series of hoping to see ash and Paul battle again in the championships. And of course, it makes me sad that Jessie James and meowth refused to quit team rocket and continue to get pikachu. It’s sad because honestly those three really deserve to have a happy ending, quit team rocket and live a humble life by doing something that they can actually be good at, like why not sell malasadas just like they did in sun and moon?? It would’ve been cute that they could have an actual good business that can gain a lot of attention and that way they can no longer struggle with getting money. Like butch and Cassidy did do that and it makes me happy for them, so it’s unfair that Jessie James and meowth are still working for team rocket 😢 But yea, despite all those flaws, I still enjoyed journeys. It’s not as good as the other series in the anime but it’s still a series that always puts me in a good happy mood just like sun and moon 😊
Since you brought up Paul, it brings to mind one of my biggest issue with Journeys (Goh the little shit that he is aside) which was the fact that Ash has no real rivals for what's supposed to be his final series. Yeah Leon exists but he's really more the final boss and doesn't have much a strong history/relationship with Ash either, and the old rivals that did reappear were basically an afterthought in the grand scheme of things (Paul/Alain). One of Pokemon's defining story beats is the competition between the MC and their Rival, so it would have been really great if we got that again for Ash, and personally I would have loved it if say it was Gary. Say the latter decided to come out of retirement temporarily cause he thought it'd be fun to compete in the tournament and against Ash for old time's sake. It would have been a great book end if Ash's last main rival was his first.
I’m not going to lie…Pokémon Journeys had so much potential yet they squandered it! I had no problem with go yet I found him annoying at times. Chloe was whatever…Ash’s team was good but lacked something I can’t put my finger on it. Also I did like that most of the older characters returned yet most were underutilized. Aim to be a Master was nothing but nostalgia pandering while it’s great we got the original trio however I wish they could have done more before Ash left. I wish we had a better ending where all of Ash’s companions met. I hated how May didn’t reunite with Ash, I hated how Serena’s reunion with Ash was short! I also didn’t like the disrespect towards Alain and Diantha. Seriously why the XY hate?! Not to mention Hoen was done dirty. Pokémon journey’s had interesting ideas and concepts yet sadly was a disappointment in the end. I did enjoy it for the most part but it had a lot to be desired. And for Ash’s final journey it’s pretty disappointing. But I am liking Horizons a lot more. Ash or no Ash, Pokémon is still Pokémon.
Although it felt like Ash cheated, which I do agree with, being able to use as many gimmicks as each trainer can is the way to really have a battle of true strength. If Ash was only able to use one, he wouldn’t be using all of his power, since two other gimmicks would be eliminated, it’s not Ash’s fault that Leon only has access to Dynamax
Pokémon Journeys and Big World Big Adventures (an era of Thomas the Tank Engine) are both about the main characters traveling the world. And both are very poor in my opinion. Journeys shafted the Galar stuff in favor of Filler and Kanto. While BWBA did the opposite, removing two of the original characters from the main cast (Edward and Henry) and replacing them with two new characters. Thing is I actually tolerate BWBA, I can’t defend Journeys. Heck, the Galar Starters don’t show up together in base form outside of “The world of Pokémon” segments. At least Charizard got put in its place in the end. I hate Charizard so much
As someone who watched every episode of every Pokémon series... Except journey's, it was not great, I finished almost all of Journey's but I didnt even make it to master journey's or whatever the heck that was supposed to be
Journeys ruined the best part of Pokemon... if it isn't the massive hate of Black and White or Sun and Moons different animation style, Journeys with it's "fanservice" finale that ruined it. If I could go back in time, I'd go back in time and have the writers and producers change alot of things with journeys. 0) only 1 thing I would keep, is Ash's Journey still ending. Changes/Fixes I'd make 1) Team Rocket is as threatening as ever, and has all their previous mons, as well as new ones. Meowth actually finally learns some new attacks, making him actually a far stronger Meowth than before. (I get rid of the Rocket Gacha Machine since that was honestly a shitty idea) I'd also make Giovannni have a few apperances, and maybe even have him take Ash on in a full on battle. 2) Get rid of Goh and Chloe... those 2 characters, ruined the show in their own way.... some more than others. 3) Even if I kept Ash's entire team, I'd have ALL of Ash's Pokemon plus the newcomers and even ones he never caught make appearances and appear on his team throughout the series. For example, an episode might feature Ash with his Charizard, and the next his Infernape. I wouldn't leave his entire team at Oaks Lab until after the champions tournament. I'd use them and have them be there to help grow his "journeys" team to becoming the strongest team yet. 4) I wouldn't make Leon Ash's final opponent. I'd still have the tourney go similar, but I'd make it more than just Top 8. I'd make it a full on League where the Top 512 trainers duke it out to see who is the Champion. I'd have Ash have a chance to battle some of his rivals that he has lost to and won against. Paul, Trip, Cameron, Harrison, Heck Gary Oak gets one last clash. Ash would use all of his Pokemon and every single match would be 3v3 until the Top 16, then with Ash there, he'd battle his 4 opponents (as he wins them) in 6v6 matches. Ash would fight not Steven Stone, but Alain in a rematch, Ash would fight Cynthia in the Semi-finals, and Ash would also fight maybe Lance or Iris in the Top 8. Ash's finals would be against Leon... But after Ash beats Leon, that would be when Tobias would be reintroduced and be used in a 4 part episode where Ash has to defeat the previous Grand Master. Ash lost to him badly in their first battle, so now Ash has to defeat Tobias. Ash's full team chosen to take on Tobias, and all of his other pokemon. Though, have mentions of this trainer appear throughout the series, and although Ash knows about the Darkrai and Latios, have some trainers mention, this guy used "insert a legendary pokemon" and completely wiped the floor with me. This would allow Ash to plan his team out to beat Tobias... and he'd win in a close match. 5) Legends Arceus Arc would be longer and Ash would have his Oshawot, Rowlet, and Quilava evolve into the hisuian forms to help promote Legends Arceus. 6) (optional) If Ash is to catch a legendary, I'd pick a legendary or two that I feel would fit Ash perfectly, and even if Ash didn't use them in his major battles, if Ash had them on his team and trained with them, that would be fine.
Goh's starter pokemon thing is messy. At first the writers decided they didn't want Goh to have a starter. But then they changed they're mind and gave him Scorbunny. But then they changed they're mind and tried to remove Scorbunny by evolving Scorbunny into the less included Raboot. But THEN they switched it again by kinda giving him a pokemon again by giving him Sobble. It's a MESS!
the problem was lack of story and goh we didnot get much of galar. Goh was just there for pokemon go marketing and this noob was given legendary and powerful pokemon way to easily
How and what do you think future seasons (Horizons onwards) should be to not do the same mistakes as Journeys (even tho we all know Ash is no longer in the anime)?
Well, Horizons seems to be doing better than journeys in almost all compartments and it’s doing well even without ash, so idk. The problem is that Ash was such a big part of the anime he took half the viewers with him when he left lol
Ash definitely wasn't the most inconsistent characters between all the champions, Leon beat basically everyone because the plot told us he's the champion and the number one but never really did anything to prove or show it the whole series, all of Cynthia's battles were handled very well and really showed how smart and difficult of an opponent she is to defeat. Even Iris who wasn't well liked in BW got a great redemption by becoming champion and proving she's on equal footing with Ash.
One reason why I didn't like the show was that as soon as gohs scorbunny evolved into cinderace he was just like "yeah I'm never using you again so just stay in my pocket and only come out when there is food." "Insted I'm just gonna use my sobble who is not very strong but will eventually become inteleon but not yet"
Tbh Journeys couldn't have redeem itself if it wasn't for Goh and Chloe,and Ash not traveling and staying in galar the region meeting new friends along the way,it could have been perfect m,but no they made it worse
Bro Pokemon Journey's was basically a joke of a series I didn't like the characters and almost everything in this anime was caterpillar butt cheeks like they could of just had Ash travel the Galar region instead of him going around doing random crud
While I personally don’t think it’s the worst series, and was hype during many of the highs, I have many problems with it including: 1. Kinda disrespecting past characters and pokemon (I.e. Alain and greninja) 2. The choice to not rotate Pokemon especially after they hinted it was gonna happen 3. Weak side character stories that led nowhere (…Chloe) 4. Go. I didn’t hate him, but I found his episodes to be way less interesting and often found myself skipping over them. Overall, he’s probably one of my least fav companions. 5. Some of the choices during the world tournament didn’t make much sense to me from a narrative perspective. For example, the matchups didn’t really seem right. Think it would’ve been better for Iris to battle a “dragon master” like Lance supposedly is or Ash getting his get back with Alain. Even Cynthia’s choice to not use mega garchomp seemed weird and made it so it felt like ash didn’t beat her at her “best”. 5. The tournament overall also felt lackluster because it skipped over fights. Alain had half an ep to get stomped and Lance vs Diantha literally occurred in the background of an episode.
I kind of agree, Man although I don’t think the series is terrible. It was a bit of a disappointment the concept is amazing, but the execution was a bit swampy Goh is Mid he’s not terrible but he could’ve been better at least he’s better than Koharu she was BORING as HELL and she barely feels like a Main Character plus we didn’t get that much Galar representation despite being a Gen 8 series and no, DLC are you kidding me let’s have some gray moments, but it would’ve been more great if it was executed better It wasn’t miss opportunity for Ash use his old Pokémon again could’ve helped him out during the battles and even be a mentor tours his new Team Gible could have fully evolved into Garchomp Snivy could have fully evolved into Serperior Scraggy could have evolved into Scrafty to pair with Iris’s Haxorus Totodile could have fully evolved into Feraligatr and to see Ash’s old Pokémon like this Guys Oshawott could have fully evolved into Hisuian Samurott to promote legends Arceus so that Dawn’s Quilava evolves into Hisuian Typhlosion and Goh catches a Hisuian Decidueye at lease we got the Sword and Shield Series made by Zactoshi but there is a better version of this series made by two people Electro Pikachu and Zanolith that did the rewrite on journeys not completed, but they’re amazing you recommend you go check these out if you want a better version of journeys that all we need to say
I basically forced myself to watch the whole series and the master 8 was done dirty only good battles are Iris vs Cynthia, Ash vs Cynthia and Ash vs Leon, and maybe Lance vs Diantha
What series should I cover next?
Xy. Again. Yes.
Can you Cover Pokemon Advanced? That Pokemon Series is such an Underrated gem.
Do you think Ash will come back Kanto reboot eventually do you think horizons has a future
Maybe Black and White, considering that is the other most controversial arc of the Pokémon anime.
@@mewmewpowergirl1625I think they’ll do something in the future
goh was playing pokemon go in the series and chloe playing lets go evee
deadass 😂
Lol
fr
Yeah, not just that.He's the worst character
@@charizardx7201 he who, and why?
The thing is, Ash intended on using one gimmick, but Leon WANTED Ash to use all three
Exactly he did it to himself but i really don’t care ig the writers did that bc it’s ash’s last series 😭
I mean Leon wanted a challange and want to see Ash at his peak of strenght. If Leon won, he could be truely the undefeated champion, who beat all gimmiks on a super strong trainer and still win (like he told us in Sword/Shield after Eternatus).
Was it his downfall? Yes
Was is cool as fck? Heck yes
@@KaiaKaito the most perfect way to say this you’re 100 percent right
And Leon dynamaxed twice so … lmao . 😂 ash was up one gimmick ? lol
@@tomachu7899 They both Gigantamaxed twice.
And here’s my problem with Pokémon journeys when ash was about to have his big moment with Leno you would think that everyone who traveled with ash would be there in person to watch him
Especially the aloa gang since they were the ones who shaped him to be champion of alola
Yeah, instead they just showed them watching from home
I HATED THAT. Like i understand not getting everyone but WHY THE HELL DID IRIS LEAVE, IRIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE DURING THE FINALS
@@blackoutamvs6550 I know even though during their adventures during unova even though they didn’t get along sometimes at least have the respect to stay and support your friend during their big moment
@@gooey448 hell you would think that out of every one you would think that oak and Delia ash’s mum would come out and support ash in the crowd
@@Pokewho-6475 Exactly, but I sort of understand them, since they had to make a meaningful way to make the older Pokemon watch Ash's win. But it still would have been better if Delia and Oak were at Wyndon
The main problem with the series is that it didn’t take itself serious. I know pokemon is a kids show but this series felt like the Dora the Explorer. I feel like they should have forgotten about Goh and Chloe and just made Ash do the same thing but in Galar with Hop as he co-protagonist wanting to beat the league and have Ash as his mentor.
I totally agree although I don’t think the series is truly terrible. It does point a bit too safe which can be pretty annoying and they should’ve put a lot of effort into this series focusing on Galar more introducing more Characters from Galar give proper development to Ash Goh Koharu and Ash’s Pokémon Team respect to old Characters returns introducing the DLC traducing Mustard and Peony make Hop and Marnie Ash’s Rivals have the Masters8th play out like the the Johto league since it wasn’t spared by someone who actually did a rewrite on this series
and have Ash use his old Pokémon again since he hasn’t done that since the Sinnoh league were using the nice mixture of both old and new Pokémon teams this would’ve been perfect
Marnie should have been the pokegirl not this no show chole
@@haroldnecmann7040 It would have been so good to have Marnie with the goal of saving her hometown from been forgotten and become a gym leader at the end. Instead we got a random girl indecisive of what’s her goal and then getting one at the end which is the same as her father’s. definitely Chloe was the worst pokegirl.
Gosh was fine imo (Chole was eh, because she could've actually been interesting if she actually got her proper character arc)
Terrible idea pokemon journeys is the best so great
I think a big miss opportunity for Journey's is Galar Region itself. This region feels like a perfect Region for Ash to travel. Gym battles, new Pokemon like Drednaw or Corvaknight, Hop, Marnie and Bede as potential rivals/companions, etc. And if this was a return to form after Sun and Moon slice of life series, I think people can look fondly over it. It's also crazy that its successor 4, Horizons did a better job at being a travel the world series while representing Galar than the Gen 8 anime,
Agreed. It’s crazy that horizons does it better. I think maybe cause it’s episodic in journeys but even then they didn’t travel much
It is tempting for Ash to compete in the Galar League, but the premise as an actual anime would have been seen as desperate. By having Ash compete in the Galar League, it not only undermines Ash's skills as a trainer but it completely ignores the fact that Ash is a Champion. Not to mention that in Sun and Moon, no one told Ash "Go to Galar and compete in the gyms". Olivia told Ash to travel the world to expand his horizons, as stated:
"Getting to know what the world is like is a very important step. You'll have a broader perspective once you expand your horizons. The truth is, it will allow you to look at yourself and find ways you can improve. Right, Ash? As someone who came all the way to Alola to train, you already know that, don't you?" -Olivia, Dreams of the Sun and Moon
It's not even a gen 8 anime at this point, Galar gets barely any action, and ash doesn't get a single galarian starter ;-;
@@hiddenfan-37 Ash may be champion of Alola but he isn't THE champion because he still had room to grow even after becoming one and there were plenty of trainers like him around outside of Alola. Galar itself felt like the perfect region for Ash after becoming champion, because it was implied lorewise that the Galar gym leaders are stronger than other regions' gym leaders on average, and in Journeys Bea and Raihan are at least on par with the E4 if not champion level. Zactoshi made an amazing rewrite on the Gen 8 anime that follows the same premise you mentioned without undermining Ash's skills or downplaying his champion status.
@@kaffka9221 I did look at Zactoshi's Gen 8 rewrite which is great. But, again, had the actual Gen 8 anime involved Ash competing in the Galar League, then you have a desperate premise because it feels like everyone chose to ignore the fact that Ash won the Alola League, not to mention that Olivia was the one who advised Ash to travel the world (again, no "going to Galar to compete in their gyms" premise anywhere in Sun and Moon nor Journeys). Claiming that "Ash always do Gym Challenges, therefore it is tradition that he continues this quest" when he is already Champion of Alola does not sit well since the formula was getting stale at that point and it undermines Ash's skills. That's like if Cynthia competed in the Unova League despite already being crowned Sinnoh Champion. You can't really answer a question of, "So, it is wrong if Cynthia continued Gym Challenges, but if Ash does compete in Gym challenges, it is automatically fine?" without sounding like a hypocrite. I know Horizons does have Gym Challenges but keep in mind that it's only part of the Terastal Course.
The Reason Why I Hate Journeys Is Because The Series Just Disrespects Both Pokemon And Characters Like Infernape, Alain And Much More.
They even remove Ash Grenninja which pissed me off I classified Journeys None Canon since it doesnt respect anything before it
@@Mythicalstories7080 But their bond still stands, besides it was lucarios episode not greninja's, an what use would ash-greninja be in that type of situation
Why Do You Write Like That With The Capital Letters
@@StarsAbove_AKA Uhhh dude its still unfair to Ash Grenninja when they remove it from the Flashback aka Flashbacks are ment to remind u of something important and what they did was super dumb
Journeys is overrated
Legendary Pokémon used to be Legendary, but with journeys u see one like every 10 episodes, killed the joy I felt seeing a legendary as a child
I agree
So what? Most of the legends seem in Journeys we've seen before (some even multiple times) and with Goh's goal of catching every pokemon, you should *expect* an increase in legendary sightings. Not to mention. Hell I'd even say it's not even that many more than previous series
It’s even worst when you remember Goh caught Suicine, and almost Zapdos.
@@LinkDingI don't think that takes away from the fact that legendaries felt like common Pokemon here. Simply treating them with a little more respect would have solved that, but we know how it went.
@@boredianz omigod in a POKEBALL no less, that ish pissed me off!
Let’s be honest. The real reason Goh exists in Pokémon anime was to tie into the Pokemon Goh game which had already been put by 3 years at that point. Which is disappointing in itself when you think about it. Hence his name, “Goh.”
Omfg How did I not notice that
@@Mr.Brothybear you’d be forgiven for not knowing that fact at all. They had to tie in that game somehow.
Oh so that’s why his Pokémon catches were like 100% each time he threw a pokeball at a Pokémon like he rarely if not never failed at catching a Pokémon which always upset me because bro caught Suicune in a regular Pokeball when it’s only status condition was it was poisoned or well hit with toxic but still at least use an ultra ball on it because it is a Legendary Pokémon but no he just chucks a pokeball hits suicune and catches it it didn’t even break out
@@twistedwolf8422 Yep! Unfortunately.
And showcased how Pokémon go and regular pokémon don't flesh, AT ALL, specially in the anime. Goh in any other season would have been ARRESTED because he's basically hunting wild life, and doesn't help Ash in specific didn't like people like Goh who only catched pokémon.
I genuinely think Journeys Number 1 Problem by far was being episodic. Having one off eps here and there is fine, every series has that but for Ash’s final series at least like 90% of it should be focused on Ash, Goh, And their Pokémon. I would’ve had Zero issue with Ash not using reserves had Ash’s new team had more time to develop specifically in the first half of the series since the second half they got more shine finally.
True it felt more like a “show” instead of a “story”
Also, I don't think it made sense for Paul to say "I'm not interested in noisy crowds" because wasn't the Sinnoh League a noisy crowd?
@@mercedestrenz1881 it’s just a dumb excuse
Would have been better if he just say "nah, I'm focusing on the next one. I need to train more" and that would have been more believable
It was very noisy, even more when he lost to infernape, everyone was screamming
And Paul is the second worst character in the series! So unlikable in every way shape and form!
I'm only pissed that Ash left without ending Team Rocket like he did with the other evil teams.
why would he?
he did in black and white
The Team Rocket organization’s still at large. Not disbanded, at large.
Ash is not Red and the team rocket trio wouldn’t have an actual purpose or reason to be involved in the plots at all if Giovanni and the group wasn’t still an active threat as Jessie and James haven’t gained a good niche to do outside of trying to steal Pokémon till Gen 3 where Jessie gained a passion as a coordinator and James is a skilled battler in his own right and has potential as a coordinator too
apparently team rainbow rockets happen in A universe of where red and blue lose to Giovanni at the gym battle
I feel like one of the reasons Journeys is so hated is because of how much potential it had, and how it squandered like 90% of it. Even with the Master’s 8 tournament, Ash’s matches and Iris VS Cynthia are all fantastic battles, with Ash VS Leon being one of the best battles in the series. But pretty much every other fight felt either rushed or unimportant, and it’s still insane how they thought it was a good idea to only let Leon lose like 1 or 2 Pokémon to Alain and Diantha but Ash is somehow able to beat him. Plus all the filler and like 3 recap episodes
TBF ash had a pretty busted team this time around. A mega Lucario,dragonite,strfetched,gengar,dracovish,and a Pikachu who beat fucking tapu koko. Compare that to his x and y team this one is WAYYY stronger
Greninja and goodra were his only carrys in x amd y and mega Charizard loses its fire typing so he ended up just getting stomped for a bad team. He'll he literally had 2 DRAGON TYPES. So I think Allan is overestimated due to his and ash's team during x and y
@@MythicAce218wrong it loses its flying type if it lost ist fire type dawg would be getting bodied by any remotely fast ice types
@@aggresiveiceberglettuce8848 you know i was abt to say hold up because i SWEAR someone told me it lost its fire(because i was told it was neutral(why he lost) and assumed he lost his fire type. thats my bad
@@MythicAce218the same pikachu who lost to a snivy?
@lesterism black and white might as well not have happened. By that point Pikachu has already beaten legends. And he's beaten tapu Kokomo. He's inconsistent(strong when the writers want him to be weak when they want him to be) but he's generally strong
9:26 the thing that pisses me off the most about this is that the whole 'cant handle losses' thing was in XY, and that whole character arc was peak and it was resolved so perfectly, so i dont know who the hell in the writing team came up with that because ash is over that shit
Ash should’ve brought back his old Pokemon
I'm still on the fence about that myself, on one hand it would've been nice to see his reserves used, but then again when I think back to the sinnoh league which is the last time he really employed them, they weren't handled all that well, only 5 of them (Heracross, Snorlax, Sceptile, Noctowl and Quilava) did anything notable, every one else who came back we either didn't see fight, or they were used as canon fodder...and in some cases that made them look weaker than they were during their runs with Ash, take Swellow for example, that bird was a freaking tank during AG, and what happens, it gets sent out and one shotted by a Latios. Sure it's a legendary but that didn't stop Sceptile from taking down Darkrai before hand, it shouldn't have gone down that quick.
when it comes to ash's reserves, it's not just about using them but how they are used, because i'm sure that when someone wants their fav reserve to be used, they expect it''s handling to be done in epic animated fashion, but that's asking too much.
Also not helping the reserves is that, in that in the second of the 9 episode epilogue they gave us, Misty was able to use her Politoad against Ash's Corphish in a battle over ownership of a Clauncher (which I didn't know why they just didn't let Misty have it, that late in Ash wasn't getting a random common pokemon), and won, but when looking at their past onscreen battling records Corphish should've torn Politoad apart, but that didn't happen effectively making people question if his reserves really were getting stronger at the lab, while some argued that it could've been due to Ash not having used Corphish in so long, it's similar to the swellow situation, because it makes Corphish and by proxy the reserves look bad if they are supposed to be getting stronger by training.
Btw ash saw paul again but what about trip???? I didnt see him
@@gregkareem9824 Trip did make a cameo during Iris battle with Cynthia in the masters 8, but he did not return to meet Ash directly.
They should've removed Goh entirely. Focused more on Ash developing the pokemon he had. The world coronation series should've allowed multiple gimmicks to be used, but most of the champions use only one, other that Ash with 3 and Cynthia with 2 (Mega and Dynamax). This could've built Leon as even stronger because he only uses one gimmick and is almost better than Ash, and he wouldn't have been cheating. Also they screwed Serena. If they didn't have Goh, they could've done something better. They could've used the same style, with Ash travelling everywhere, but in a coherent story, meeting all his old friends in a way to get stronger, like with Paul, and Ash-Greninja. It would've brought back old characters, allowed for the series to focus on Ash and his team and their development, and he would've had a believable win in the World Coronation Series
I don’t know about removing Goh entirely, instead they should’ve just worked on better writing for his character
@@gooey448 Gloria character plus galar pokemon also galar character, legendary pokemon plus dlc being treat like trash because they want promote death mobile app character
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Stupid toxic gou midoriya stan fans is here @@PurpleSecurityGuard
@@Nazmi-xy6np wtf are you even saying, learn to type English instead of your own language
All they had to do with Goh was make him rely too much on using quick balls and later realized how using quick balls is holding him back from being a better trainer for himself and his pokemon
But the Pokémon show as a whole is just allergic to causally showing off the other types of Poké balls in the series
In all honesty, I was really worried that Goh was literally going to take over as the main character after Ash left. I’m so glad that didn’t happen at all!
Would it have been between with a different person in charged had Goh become the main character.
@@disneyboy3030 yeah something along those lines.
This is a Wii u to Switch situation. Journeys Walked so horizons could run. World Travel Formula This time they really travel from region to region instead of one episode they are in Kalos in the next episode they are in Sinnoh. Dot has the same role as Chloe but actually gets screen time and a lot of character development, more than Roy even. And the story is the best it's ever been
Eh, I don't see it tbh, mainly because I don't like the Horizons series either
FR 👏🏽 I haven’t seen Horizons yet but from what I’ve heard it’s just “Journeys but actually executed well”
Facts horizons is peak cinema
I personally love Chloe's premise. She's someone who's seemingly not interested in Pokémon battles, and she doesn't know what she wants to become, and her journey of discovering herself could have been really interesting.
Also she's an introvert and more relatable to me, as she's not as outgoing and was often annoyed by Ash and Goh's antics.
To have someone who struggles to find their place in the world and is seemingly ostracized for not being into Pokémon battles, with her classmates thinking she's weird and just doesn't like Pokémon at all (which isn't the case), it's interesting.
But then she got Eevee and just became a trainer anyway. Massive wasted potential with Chloe.
Also I *HATE* Journeys Ash. He's an insufferable Mary Sue, that's what he is. And there's nothing I despise more in writing than Mary Sues.
I wouldn't say he's a Mary sue, that role belongs to GO, think about it go has caught and out battle ash, how I don't even know and ash most of the times don't take the leader role even tho he a champion and large amount of experience under his belt, he not a Mary sue, he's just an plot device for the anime when they need it.
@@BlitzGaming654 Normally no, but in Journeys definitly. Despite being an complete idiot even though he shouldn't be at that point, he constantly wins almost everything.
Even in stuff he knows nothing about, like in that cake decoration contest organized by Opal. He clearly had no idea what he was doing and just made a huge pile of decorations.
And yet, he won. He won even though he had no idea what he was doing while Chloe, who was there, clearly knew what she was doing. She should have won.
And this is just one example, there are many others. But I guess it wouldn't bother me as much if the writers didn't make him a complete idiot who doesn't know anything when he's supposed to be experienced with Pokémon.
Like all these moments where he keeps trying to touch Pokémon that are either wild, wary of him, or upset at him. Sometimes they're more than one at a time. He should know not to do that, and yet he does. And everytime they retaliate by attacking him.
@Oceane1803 nothing that you said here proves he a Mary sue tho, more than anything, it just point out more of an idiot he is and the cake competition is not even worth taking about since they didn't make the cakes they just decorate them, you said he wins all time which is not true, he lost to many times, he even went on a losing streak, for ash to be a Mary sue he as to bend the story to him which he just doesn't, he still loses, is not good at everything he touches.
@@BlitzGaming654 Everyone constantly keeps praising him for everything even though he's an idiot though. Well except Chloe for a time.
@Oceane1803 that's more of a reasonable take than just saying he's marysue when he clearly not and I am starting to feel a strange thing with you on Chloe, I know they butched her character, but that's not ash fault, that just bad writing, but one thing I have to say is why are you so hard on ash but goh is much worse, he takes the faults of both Chloe and ash, his character was rushed, he out performs many people in the series which he just shouldn't, makes bad decisions but get rewarded for them, example take the raid battle with articono, refused to listen to gery who had to carry them through the battle, and ash played last wheel in this whole thing, even tho he is spouse to be the strongest. And you say people praise him that's kinda a no-brainer since he is kinda the companion of a whole region and many other wins under his belt.
My main problem with the series is that they don't go the traditional route of having ash travel the galar region, collecting badges and moving up to the regions pokemon league like he usually does. They did some Galar region stuff here and there, but Journeys should've been focused on the galar region instead of Ash traveling to a bunch of regions he's already been to.
maybe have the reunions happen in galar?
they tried to go different route and their idea was pretty good but their exucation was bad they focused too much on kanto, goh and chloe. goh literally got 60% of episodes which is why we barely saw any ash battles. Team rocket was handled terribly too also lack of focus on other regions and anything the only positive was lots of returing characters
with would of been point less since he became the alola region champion
"Ash should compete in the Galar League because it is tradition he always does this quest" premise is like if Cynthia competed in the Unova League while completely ignoring the fact she's already Sinnoh Champion - desperate and hypocritical.
"The guy who beat Ash so bad he woke up from his coma." LMFAO. Bro knows comedy! But really good video man, really touched on all the key points that made Pokemon Journeys as bad as it is and why it was so controversial. sadly pokemon journeys will always be the best example of wasted potential.
Appreciate it. 100% agree there
as a series I'm fine (for now). But the thing is, this is THE LAST time we saw Ash as a protagonist of the Pokemon Anime, but they made the series more focused on Goh.
They could make the first half just like the usual Journeys episodes we got, Ash & Goh travelling together, they catch pokemons, gathering pokemon data that the professor ask, Project Mew (let Ash join but as minor character), wrap the first half of the series, then separated, Goh continue to chase his dream &the second half of Journeys anime will be Ash in Galar, introduced to World Tournament, Ash using his previous Pokemons, became the world champions, etc.
It will be more interesting as Ash's final good bye. To Older fans too, imagine people who stopped watching Pokemon after AG, then others tell them Ash became the world champion. They wanna experience the story but they have to watch the whole Journeys.
Journey have 136 episodes, they could actually divide it into 68:68, or perhaps 100:36
To be fair, the moment we got Quick Balls we just threw that shit straight away, and unless you're trying catch a Pokemon with really low catch rate you're pretty much guaranteed to catch it.
Also, Goh's name kind of gave away which style he was following. It was Pokemon Go, where you didn't battle wild Pokemon at all.
My biggest problem is that the only friend that showed at Ash'es (or hovewer you say that idk) most important day of his life was Dawn, WHERE ARE THE OTHERS??? Watching on TV is just disrespectful (also goh i hate goh i hate goh i hate goh i hate goh i hate goh)
The reason of that, is Sinnoh remakes, but it was a stupid decission.
HEY! That was me! Honestly bro, fantastic video and its awesome to get more viewpoints like this from creators like yourself in the space to see what people REALLY think of this series. Ash DID cheat. 100%!
Hey Infamous, that clip I remember watching back when I got back into Pokemon, it was u reacting to episode 25 of journeys, it was so hype then! U guys were the ones who inspired me to make anipoke content. Its possible if u didn't post that vid my channel may not have existed. Anyways thanks for watching
7:01 Thomas did this in its first and fourth seasons, mashing two stories into one adaptation. Thomas did this so much better because the stories… actually had something to do with each other (for the most part.)
Wait the tank engine that got that ABSOLUTELY AWFUL reboot back in 2021?
@@limo651 Yep. That’s the one.
They really should have made the Masters 8 or whatever a much more massive thing. In Gen 4, Ash brought all of his Pokemon in from past gens and used mixed teams of all of them, save for against Paul. Here, he just stuck with the same guys... We should have seen all the OG's coming out to help against each champ.
the problem can be boiled down to
-journeys biting off more than it could chew (which it might have been able to manage if covid never happened olm never got scrambled)
-really poor writing at times like they wrote themselves into a corner with steven
also the fact this is ash’s last series and the final episodes were nostalgia bait filler was really awful
I think Journeys was another victim of the Pandemic
Here's something that we can agree on, Zactoshi's What If Sw/Sh Anime & Zanolith's (ongoing) Journeys Rewrite is better than this "Official Fanfic".
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Journeys should be the fan-fiction and one of those two should be canon
@@eliaskyriakou6253 Honestly, They should be both canon.
Tbf, with Goh, the reason why he was catching pokemon without fighting a lot of them was cause he was supposed to be the character for pokemon Go players, as to why is name is Goh & how the catching is reminiscent of pokemon Go.
only goh has that power to do so other trainers had to defeat pokemon to catch them ash did many times and failed
Thats still stupid.
in fact, Goh is simply the personification of the very player who wants to catch them all, but sometimes this desire can turn into an obsession (and most importantly, he has almost no stories of catching his Pokemon) which is shown. if Goh had been replaced by Bea, Pokemon journeys probably wouldn't have received so much hate
Fax bro
I really like seeing longer form videos from you again in all honesty, Gooey! You’re amazing I think. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks for the feedback
@@gooey448 you’re welcome!
Journeys grew on me, when I first saw goh catch a suicune in a mother lovin’ poke ball I was incensed! However after a while…after drizzile’s introversion, rabboot’s akward emo phase, jacked magikarp, grookey’s walk home…I love it
Journeys should not have used an episodic formula, filler episodes, disregard Ash's reserves, as well as over glorifying Kanto. If there's a world travelling premise, the other regions need focus as well. Horizons started fresh and is rectifying all the mistakes Journeys made...
About disregard Ash's reserves. Sure, it's great that Ash's Journeys team help beat Leon, and yes, the writers may have proved that "Ash does not need to use his reserves to win the PWC." But, pride comes before the fall, because when Ash finally got to use his reserves after beating Leon, everyone all over the world launched a full scale backlash and condemned the anime for this giant mistake pointing out that Ash should have used his reserves throughout Journeys. Nowadays, the tradition of Ash overusing his current team while ignoring his reserves is now the most hated premise ever. I think that if Ash were to return, he has to have new evolutions in his reserves (looking at you: Meganium, Typhlosion, Feraligatr, Crawdaunt, Floatzel, Garchomp, Samurott, Emboar, Serperior, Scrafty, Gigalith, Seismitoad, Annihilape) as well as be given new captures that the writers still owe Ash (e.g., Flygon, Magnezone, Houndoom, Beartic).
A world travelling premise is great but the fact the premise mostly takes in place in Kanto, along with Aim to be a Pokemon Master being a homage to the original series, proved that the writers overglorified Kanto. At least Horizons is resolving some problems by giving more focus in Galar compared to Journeys (so far we got Kabu, Galarian Moltres, Liko gets a Hatenna which is now a Hattrem) along with the Terastal Training taking place in Paldea.
The thing of Ash focusing on new Pokemon in every region is ok, as that have allowed Ash to have a very strong and diverse group of Pokemon ready to battle. That is not the problem.
The PROBLEM is when he doesn't use them for the main tournament or events, like in the Pokemon Leagues or, in this case, the Pokemon World Championship. Heck, that is one of the first things Brock told Ash during his first Pokemon League: to see the need to change Pokemon between battles to be absolute ready for everything. I like that he did that during the first 4 Leagues (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh), but after that, the rarely changes teams.
Like, come on, man! You are facing the WORLD CHAMPION. Use your very best from ALL your Journeys! That would have been a good ending: use the Pokemon from ALL your Journeys... during Pokemon Journeys!
@@Saiyan0X It wasn't in Hoenn League. Ash overused his Hoenn team and failed to fully evolve his Grovyle and Corphish before the League, hence his loss against Tyson. That would be Battle Frontier where Ash does use some of his reserves like Snorlax, Tauros, and Donphan, as well as fully evolving his Grovyle into Sceptile. But the rest, I think there are some reasons why the writers went there:
Unova: Ash caught too many Pokemon which meant that most members were not fully evolved and he regressed from Top 4 in Sinnoh to Top 8 in Unova. Just goes to show why trying to prove that Pokemon don't need evolution to get strong, along with claiming that personality and cuteness is what kids want was not worth it.
Kalos: Because of the release of ORAS, the writers recycled a lot of story elements from the Hoenn League part of the story (albeit more subtle than BW) and that includes Ash overusing his Kalos team and losing the League, but in this case it was more of not enough practice with Ash-Greninja (Alain had more practice with Mega Charizard X as shown in the Mega Evolution Specials) along with no Mega Evolution for Ash. It took until Journeys for Ash to finally use Mega Evolution.
Alola: I'll let that slide since his Alola team help Ash become Champion.
PWC: If it's a world travelling premise, besides building a new team, the writers should have let Ash use his reserves throughout Journeys. Instead, the true reward for that stunt was a full scale backlash from fans, which probably went something like this:
Writers: "We proved that Ash did not need reserves for PWC, why are you so mad at us?"
Fans: You should have let Ash used the reserves and fully evolved all the ones you messed up on!
@@Saiyan0X Same here don't mind New Teams each region.
As for the Leagues well in Kanto it was his 1st so, he had no reserves, sure he had other pokemon he caught, but do they count as reserves?
In Johto he did use his reserves, but that's really only because his Johto Team couldn't carry him all the way, as they underdeveloped.
Hoenn he decided to use only his Hoenn Mons. Though he brought some back in BF!
Shinnoh he did use his reserves, though I Wish it'd been handled Better.
Unova too many overlapping types. Still don't get Palpitoad & Leavanny catches. Tepig was the same story line from all his other Fire Starters. And he Regressed from Top 4 to Top 8 from a sorry that Loss really Stung why O why did they have Ash Lose to Cameron when there were Better Trainers for him to Lose to like Virgil.
Kalos The BIG 1!!! The one where he Wins Silver!!! When he should've Won Gold!!! He didn't get Mega Evolution and WORSE they had to Gift him a "Special" Mega Evolution" just so he could keep up is Terrible! That episode title man, I don't think I'll ever get over it.
Alola only because of the MASSIVE BACKLASH of Kalos League does he Finally WIN! But the way it was handled was Bad, I mean srsly NO 6v6 Battles? And b4 anyone says, but Ash vs Kukui; well that wasn't a League Battle so it doesn't count!
JN should've been 2 seasons. 1st in Galar for a New Galarian Team! Srsly Sir'Fetch'd & Dracovish needed Better Development & they could do that on a Galar Team! 2nd should've been the PWC and Rotating his Reserves! Kinda like Ronin Charizard's What if Ash Won the PWC Rewrite series he has going on.
none of the journey anime is not really apost to be fillers
Ash typically disregards his reserves because he's supposed to be repping the main series games (just like how Goh reps Pokémon Go). In Johto, Ash was allowed to use his Kanto Pokémon because you, as the player, could also transfer your Gen 1 mons from R/B/Y to Gen 2 G/S/C.
He wasn't allowed to take his previous mons to Hoenn because transfer between Gen 2 and Gen 3 wasn't allowed. He could use all of them again in Sinnoh because Gen 3 to Gen 4 transfer was allowed again. Ash becomes a beginner level trainer again in Unova because Gen 5 was meant to be a soft-reboot of the whole franchise.
I liked Journeys when it was all said and done, but a problem I always had was that it didn't do enough to feel like the end of Ash's adventure. It wasn't until the Masters 8 where it truly felt like this could be the end, and even then there was a good assortment of missed potential.
Really great video dude. Really summed up well why I couldnt find much enjoyment watching journeys as much as the other series... except like idk? dragonite hugs, fetch being chad, dracorvish being dracorvish, gengar having such a cool a$ gigantamax, [NO], and final ep being done well.
Lucario should have never been caught / hatched
Don't forget that another thing that was so bad about Pokemon Journeys is the fact that that was when the writers got into totally ruining the personalities of the Team Rocket trio and didn't fix that up! In previous seasons Jessie, James, and Meowth were doing things that caused a fanbase for them to be created, then those writers totally messed those 3 characters up in Journeys by having them only do annoying bad stuff instead of having them continue to behave on screen as the likable and sympathetic antagonists who would do silly bad stuff and also good stuff and cared about the Pokemon that they had with them, which they had been seen as in most of the previous seasons of the Pokemon anime. It sucks that that trio were done dirty in Journeys too.
And they never gave Ash an Eevee
I will never forgive them for teasing us with those Eevee shorts
Actually there were times where that did happen. An example being the Ditto.
@@disneyboy3030 is that the weird duck thing from Kingdom Hearts?
@@SMCwasTaken ......... no. It's a shapshifting Pokémon.
Goh is the representative for the player and the audience who plays Pokémon GO that's his whole gimmick and story plot. Which Pokémon GO doesn't really have a story unless you do the event.
What event? I didn't play the game.
Journeys was so mid man 😭. I liked it at the beginning but it ended up being unbelievably disappointing after a while. Journeys had great episodes past season 1 but there was a huge focus issue with the show, mostly to do with important stuff and filler with the main issue being that they'd focus on filler or rush concepts that were actually interesting into only one episode. They also didn't really develop Ash's team at all with Ash mainly focusing on only Lucario and Sirfetch'd and basically sidelining Gengar, Dragonite and Dracovish. Then the production issues caused the Masters Eight to end up being insanely disappointing minus the Cynthia and Leon battles. Anyways great video 👍
I agree with you, dude it sort of as brilliant. Enjoy your bowl only for it to fumble when it went on just a few more tweaks, then it could’ve been a poor with diamond and pearl and XY as one of if not the best Pokémon series like nothing ever was
I actually enjoyed Chloe. I know she and Eevee were there to appeal to female viewers, but it was nice since she also was someone who wasn’t interested in Pokémon. Plus, bringing back Pokémon contests felt very refreshing. If it wasnt for Chloe’s intro in Journeys, I don’t know if anyone would’ve been optimistic about Liko in Horizons.
Here are some of my main criticisms of JN, some people will be incredibly salty with my criticisms.
Ash's Pokémon are barely there, one thing all the other series did right, even ones that were not great like AG, BW, and SM had the Pokémon interact with each other, one of my favorite episodes, Tears for Fears is nothing but Pokémon interacting with each other. It seems the only Pokémon Ash has are Lucario and Pikachu, while Goh only has the Galar starters.
How Goh catches Pokémon. This one has been talked to death. The way that Goh catches Pokémon goes against the Anime rules of catching them. To catch a Pokémon, you either a, battle it, or b, it agrees to come with you. Yeeting Pokeball's at a Pokémon is not how you are supposed to catch a Pokémon. Another minor gripe is how Goh's Pokémon are registered to the Pokedex , which is not how a pokedex works in the anime.
How Ash's character is handled, I have a lot of issues with how Ash was handled in SM and JN, from his stupidity to pitching up his voice. Most of the problems with Ash in JN started in SM, where they make him the butt monkey of both the SM and JN groups, meaning he is the butt of every demeaning joke and his stupidity is played for cheap laughs. The anime really needs to stop playing Ash's stupidity for laughs in general, it's not funny and it a poor attempt at humor. Who ever thought it was a good idea to pitch up Ash's voice in SM and JN should be fired. In essence, they took everything bad about Ash in SM and cranked it up to eleven.
Pacing problems, JN has a lot of pacing problems. Their is a lot of filler episodes, like a lot, it just feels like it is just a slog to get through. Another thing is how JN tries to cram everything into 1 to two episodes when it would be better to have a multi episode arc. A good example of this is for the BDSP episodes, that should have been more than two episodes.
Chloe, she is pretty much sidelined in the series, she pretty much cannot decide whether she wants to travel with Ash and Goh or not. She had a lot of potential as a character, but it has been squandered, with JN having 30-40 episodes left, I do not see anything changing yet.
Nostalgia bating, a lot of characters were promised to return in the series. For the most part, they have delivered on that end. However, it seems that they are only having characters return to keep fans who do not like the creative direction watching the show. It is like they know that people do not like the show and the characters, so it feels like they are dangling character returns like a carrot. Gary, Iris, Dawn, and Ash's old Pokémon have returned in the series, the only one who got a meaningful return in my opinion is Dawn, the rest, the studio shoved the characters in an episode and called it as day. They are now teasing much more returns, Greninja, Bonnie, Clement, and Paul. Hopefully these are good returns and the studio is not just dangling a carrot to keep people watching.
Glad I’m not the only one that has an issue with the nostalgia baiting, it’s literally just “remember this, remember that” and in some cases it’s just briefly, also for whatever reasons some returning Pokémon evolve off screen not even a flashback and it’s also a complete waste that some of ash’s pokemon don’t evolve at all, Screw JN
Pretty much agree with most said here
I'd argue Dawn wasn't that meaningful since it seemed like she just woke up from being cryogenically frozen since BW. No new Pokemon, evolutions or accomplishments compared to the other companions. Iris became a Champion, May and Serena became idols; May couldn't even speak because her VA retired. PokeMas Dawn was a more meaningful return. It would have been forgiveable if the excuse was that she was trapped in Hisui in all that time and got to evolve her Quillava.
THANK YOU! Goh, Pokémon broke the number one rule that was established in the earliest days of Pokémon! Which is battling first then catching! As for Ash, don’t know why they have to switch up the voice for. And don’t get me started with him searching for data on the FLOOR! And with nostalgia baiting, yeah… they were just playing with us like that. Some got some development when they’ve separated from Ash but others got nothing that they’ve changed at all. Not the best series like in the levels of D&P or X&Y series, but not the worse than what happened with the B&W series.
Shoutout to the episode where Ash reunited with Serena. Bets episode in all of Journeys
Imagine how good it would have been if they reunited for more than 1 minute
Yeah
That episode was literally garbage..
It would have made more sense if he caught Pokémon that his friends had but heading at the chance to catch.
What Journeys should've done is:
Having the series taking it's time & not rushing it. No pointless filler episodes, more Galar representation
Ash catching more pokemon than just 5 pokemon. Ash should've had the following new pokemon in my opinion:
1. Pikachu
2. Dragonite
3. Gengar
4. Lucario
5. Sirfetch'd
6. Dracovish
7. Rillaboom
8. Inteleon
9. Cinderace
10. Flygon
11. Tyranitar
12. Corviknight
13. Zoroark
14. Zeraora
15. "Nebby" Solgaleo - Officially catching it
16. Lugia
17. Latios
18. Latias
And Ash should've also used all his other past pokemon in the WCS & evolving them, & got back his Primeape, Greninja
Also he should've gotten the chance to battle & beat more Elite 4 members, beat his past league rivals he lost against, & beat the other pokemon league champion winners. And also battle & beat Regional Champs Lance & Diantha
Not have Goh hogging half the attention, Not making it so easy for Goh to catch a legendary, he wasted Grookey, Project Mew should've been more his main goal from the start.
Chloe should've been better developed & had a real goal & caught more pokemon like the Galarian Ponyta, Hatterene
Team Rocket was terrible: They should've been how they were in Black & White & at the end, finally leaving Team Rocket
Journeys should've been regular series, because Ash winning Alola league, definitely doesn't mean he's champion level. Especially since this is Alola league which has James in Top 8 and final battle is 3 vs 3. Journeys should've been Ash beating gyms but gyms are much stronger than previous gym and him losing in Galar league to Peony in Top 4. Making him officially Elite Four level trainer. Gen 9 was perfect for Ash, that he wants to train to become champion as he becomes one by beating Nemona and Geeta. This is perfect Ash's progression. Then, Gen 10 would be PWC in which Ash wins entire thing and gets replaced by new kids.
Giving Ash all three Galar starters would have been a horrible idea, since this was the reason why Ash's Johto and Unova teams failed (I know Ash had all three starters in Kanto as well, but people should have realized it only worked once). Plus, since Ash is Champion, giving him new starters is pretty much a permanent downgrade in his skills and each Galar starter given to Ash would have ran the risk of being a lazy clone. (I am also aware that Leon had all three Galar starters but Leon likely obtained them prior to becoming Galar Champion).
Cinderace: We already had Charizard and Infernape and I think the writers want another male protagonist besides Ash to have a Current Gen Fire Starter as an ace, since May has Blaziken and Serena has Delphox.
Inteleon: It does have GMax, but giving Ash a GMax Inteleon would have been seen as a lazy repeat of Ash's Greninja (Water starter with super form).
Rillaboom: Cool but it does run the risk of being a Sceptile clone, plus we've seen Ash obtain a lot of Grass starters and the writers needed someone else to have a Grass starter ace. Grookey is the main reason why Liko's Sprigatito had to evolve.
i wished ash caught latias and latios when he saved them missed opportunity
Goh as a character in of itself to tie in Pokémon Go is not bad by all means. However, the way they did it for Ash last journey was a disservice to fans. Ash last journey really should just been him alone for once and going around doing different things solo and discovering things in his own that lead to him becoming a top champion. This was the moment but they blew it up because of the Pokémon Go mechanic when we all know at some point the game could eventually shut down. This is something a last journey in terms of story should have ended on because now people will look back and be like “oh journeys ash last series and it’s majors ties to Pokémon go that we can’t longer play” when decades come later. This is my issue with this.
Something that genuinely annoyed me about journeys was the masters 8 tournament. Due to the series wanting to have Ash and Goh travel throughout all the regions it leaves so little time for Galar and when we actually do get to Galar it feels like any other romp specifically because of the masters 8 tournament. Galar in the games treated the pokemon league like this massive deal. Gym leaders were treated like sports celebrities, challengers were treated like rising stars, and of course we had the trainer cards. But with the tournament being worldwide and being broadcasted everywhere it takes away what made Galar stand out from the other regions resulting in it feeling like more of The same.
Hi!
As a certified journeys defender allow me to say some counter points to yours.
1. ASH DID NOT CHEAT, Leon said you can use all three then management said you can use all three and once Ash agreed the rules were changed so both sides could use all three thus allowing Leon to use a second G-max when Eternatus gave that a reset.
2. Even if he used all three he actually need those as all of Leon's Pokemon are as strong as a champions ace, so Ash using all three at the end of the day gives him the power to Level the playing field plus Charizard vs Pikachu had no gimmicks just two Pokemon going at it.
3. Alain did very well for being the weakest in the masters 8, he used 1 super effective move from his ace to take out Rillaboom who went on to tank multiple hits from future opponents Alain took it out with one super effective move from chestnaught and one from his Charizard which is the best performance against it we saw.
4. It didn't disrespect Paul he helped Ash train for the WCS and he also would have got swept by Leon if he was there.
5. The episodic nature has one benifit and that you can just watch the episodes you like you don't have to watch the ones you don't want too, which is how I will watch it in the future.
6. Goh can do that because he is go as in Pokemon go, so he can catch Pokemon like you can in Pokemon go, plus the hunter weakened Suicune for him then it chose to stay.
7. Chloe was cool as a what am I going to do character, it is really just the ending that is disappointing but aside from that she was good, especially in the last 2 episode in JN where she appreciates her Eevee for helping her grow.
8. Like I said before you can skip filler I any series but in a episodic anime you can skip it even more if you don't want to watch it, personally the filler doesn't bother me as if it were to just appear randomly on TV you can just sit down and watch it and have 20 minutes of fun.
9. The best part of journeys that helped me appreciate it is when you see a episode of JN on tv and not batch watching on Netflix, you can just watch it and enjoy it, as it was intended, but if you are watching on Netflix you can just skip all the bad and go straight to the good nothing is stopping you.
10. The fact that Ash beat all these champions was cool, in fact the only bad battle was Leon vs Diantha because we didn't get to see it all, thanks to some kid getting lost.
11. While the best part may have been the returning characters, there is more to like then just, but it does provide nice world building by having show up like with Iris, but also by having them show up it proves Pokemon is interconnected, some people think dp Ash and every Ash after is not the same Ash but that is not the case.
12. Back to Paul, they say let's battle again sometime to most of not all of the people Ash has battled against so that does not mean they are going to battle again.
13. Pokemon does remember who Paul is that's why they had him come back to train his Pokemon alongside his old Pokemon, because they know only Paul can do that.
14. Ash forgets Pokemon typings all the time even in the previous series Alola he forgets poison moves don't work on steel types, it is just apart of his character.
15. Again the strength of episodic is you can watch the episodes you like and I think that is how you should watch JN on the future, the Ash gets a Pokemon Episodes, the Ash fights in the WCS episodes, a episode where a Pokemon evolves, and the masters Tournament, plus MPM because Ash uses old Pokemon there and I know lots of people like that.
16. Ash is a champion now. He can train his newbie Pokemon up to champion level I'm sure if Cynthia started with a new team she could do the same and no one would complain but because it's Ash everyone complains.
17. It is in Ash's character to raise up a new team each gen it should not be a surprise. Plus once he beat Cynthia and got permission to use all of his tools he showed why he took the time to earn them and that pays off, as he now is ready to face Leon both at full power,and in the end the best one vs one happened and that had nothing to rely on, Ash's Pikachu is just better then Leon's Charizard.
18. He cheated because you can't do that. YES HE CAN THE RULES WHERE CHANGED TO SO IT WAS LEGAL TO DO THAT, THATS THE WHOLE POINT.
19. He clearly didn't need to use his old Pokemon and infact if he did just swap out his JN team for his old Pokemon at the masters Tournament he would have lost round 1 only the JN team have the power to stand up to champions.
20. Lastly the journeys team trained constantly for the battle vs Leon and so they earned the win.
I hope you have a good day and to anyone who read all this thank you.
I get where ur coming from. But for me I prefer the linear path of pokemon instead of episodic formatting. Even if u like all the characters, choices and such. I still think how they used to do it was a much more enjoyable and consistent story. But some will prefer the episodic format and others won’t. Journeys is very split because of this because it’s definitely an acquired taste.
@@gooey448ah yes, this comment and you only respond to one part of it lol, totally understand if you read it but only have one thing to say, as I did make twenty points.
Thanks for reading my comment and replying as I never expected a reply, even if you did end up reading it. :D
Stupid toxic gou midoriya stan fans is here @@havingfunwithelijah214
@@gooey448I wonder what did you think about the rest of his points in the message.
while I do agree that it was legal, what I didnt like was ash didnt win the world championship under the same conditions as leon. And to the point that each of his pokemon are equal to a champions ace, DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAS MULTIPLE POKEMON THAT ARE ON THAT LEVEL. RIGHT ASH. ASH HAS CHARIZARD, INFERNAPE, GRENINJA,PICKACHU,SCEPTILE, AND MULTIPLE ALOLAN POKEMON. BUT INSTEAD HE HAD TO USE MULTIPLE INEXPERIENCED GALAR POKEMON. THEY COULD HAVE MAD A CONVINCING ASH WIN WITH THE SAME CONDITIONS AS LEON BUT THEY DIDNT. THATS WHAT I HATE.
I feel like the main reason for all of this is that pokemon journeys was directed towards kids. I was still pretty young when it first came out, so the “bad humour” was still very funny. I think they could’ve put more screen time of the old characters and regions in. Maybe new watchers woulda been compelled to watch the other series. It’s been more humor and not a lot of that “deep” conversation and battles, it’s like they think the kids watching are dumb and wouldn’t understand it. A new spin off series with goh woulda been nice instead of him catching everything so easily. I get that he wasn’t the main character, so the didn’t spend too much time developing him and his bond with pokemon, but it still made it like he outshone ash.
Chloe should have been a travel companion, sadly they didn’t use her to her full potential
My biggest problem is that they didn’t bring back grainjaia cause I got so excited when I saw him teaching lucario BUT NOOOOOO THEY HAD TO CRUCH MY 7 YEAR OLD SELF RETURNING TO ME
i only watched about 70 episodes of journeys then I just gave up
bro, the way he stuffs the XY intro jingle is just iconic
Restarting Ash's journey for his final series was a mistake. We could have seen bigger rematches with his toughest opponents, witness the learning and rise of Goh as Ash's student, and seen Ash use his old teams and recruit his best hitters from previous series for the Championship. Instead, we got subpar callbacks, a Goh who is as disconnected as Pokemon GO, and another confusing Ash timeline that ends with him defeating trainers with far more experience and knowledge in battle based on what we saw in the show.
Lots of people already made their suggestions in here but I think I'll add mine as well:
- Nearly everyone already talked about Galar getting incredibly ignored on this series which I think was a detriment. I definitely wouldn't have minded going to other regions at times but the focus should've been on Galar. I think the way to obviously mesh showing off the cities and gym leaders and the PWC is obviously having all of them competing and having Ash going through them as he scales through the ratings letting us see them appear in full force since they are fighting for a serious tournament instead of handing out badges and it still allows Ash to focus on battles with gyms from other regions from time to time.
- In regards to Ash not using his reserves, I just don't get it at all. He basically got to where he's at because of them and they could've used Journeys to finish some storylines or evolves Pokemon (imagine Ash having a Quilava, having the PLA special having him evolve it into a H-Typhlosion or Scraggy fully mastering Focus Blast and evolving). Hell, you could've even had storylines between the old and new Pokemon basically explaining that Ash's Galar team is ridiculously strong because they are getting power-trained by all of Ash's combined older Pokemon. Lots of potential to also use a combination of new and old Pokemon to show off on those PWC matches to show off new moves and let the newbies get more experience and absorb tactics. I can even imagine the final version of his team being given a fair chance at going after Leon after several of Ash's strongest reserves helped clear people like Steven and Cynthia.
- Goh's place not just on this arc but the series in itself is so weird because while I understand "Gotta catch 'em all" is the motto for the games it feels very different in the anime where Pokemon clearly have backstories and personalities. Uprooting them as frivolously as Goh seemingly does just because he wants them feels really off compared to basically every other main crew character we've had until now and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth plus it felt the Project Mew arc stole far too much time from the main thing we wanted to see in the end which was the PWC which didn't help matters and just led to people skipping those episodes altogether.
- Chloe was mishandled like crazy, I don't even understand why she went through this whole adventure of choosing a path for herself and then still deciding to help her dad despite that not being her calling. Like, why did we even waste time on all of this? Aside from shilling Eevee, of course.
Overall I get the vibe of Journeys and appreciate what it was trying to do but I don't like how poorly handled it ended up being. Definitely will be rewatching bits and pieces but not much more.
PS: wish instead of catching Sirfetch'd Ash would've gotten a Blipbug since he never had a Psychic-type and it would've been fun to see him train an actually weak Pokemon with no confidence into a powerful Orbeetle.
I literally watched Best Wishes and Journeys for Dawn’s returns.
Too bad that they didn’t have extra time like with Pokemon xyz because the reason why xyz was so good is because they had so much time with it, too back that journeys didn’t have that extra time too..
Personally galar had more potential to show then the Pokemon company did. Like not giving a fucking starter to ash and many other things like disrespecting the characters. And its also kinda similar to horizon quite paced. And how weak Ash would have been without all those mega evo,dynamax and z moves. I mean the battle was great and the animation as well but the thing is that ash is quite weak without those gimmick and then the company decides to give ash a sendoff which also wasnt proper. Ash still has like a lot room to grow. He wouldn't have beaten leon without the use of all those gimmicks.
NGL it should've been a masters 10 or something and then it includes Mr hackerman27 (tobias). More importantly, it should be like a round robin for the first stage where everyone faces everyone once and then the top 4 people (who have the most wins) would go into a tourney. That way there would be more battles for Ash to use his old pokemon and get revenge on trainers like Mr hackerman and alan. Also full 6v6 battles. I know this would take up a bunch of episodes but like this is the most important part of the series and no one gives a frik about goh's catching thing (that he never finished so like what was the point) nor whatever chloe was doing.
I just don’t get why Ash just didn’t bring back his past Pokemon? I mean, I get he already had a team of 6, but I would expect him to bring out his Aces in an International Tournament with every Champion (and Alain) with the exception of Geeta.
I mean, you could have Ash sub out one of his Journeys lineup of Pokemon for Lycanroc or Sceptile, just to make it a little more tricky for the opponent to deal with, because they likely would have already been watching and observing his past matches in Galar and be slightly thrown off by a rotating lineup.
After that, you could put in the subbed out Pokemon back to the lineup and sub out another Pokemon for another ace, and rinse and repeat. Not only would it not be wasting his current lineup, but it would also fit the theme of Journeys, which was revisiting Ash’s past regions
It was for the marketing reason
Glad I wasn't the only one who inwardly felt like Ash did not deserve the win against Leon. I was really hyped for how Journeys started. It felt nice to meet new characters. What really started to make me think the show had problems was when go caught Suicune in a pokeball that easily. I was in shock and disbelief and it somehow triggered me.
And then the later half, i was bored with the project Mew arc since it didn't catch my attention unless it had Gary there.
And don't even get me started with the Masters 8 arc. In my opinion, it was handled poorly with the exceptions of a few battles. Any of Ash's battles felt like plot armor or the writers had to make the opponent hold back to give Ash even a chance at winning
lil bro ash just said: "aight we getting strapped this time."
i personally enjoy journeys a lot. i think the only point i agree with is that ash never used his older pokemon in the world coronation series and masters 8
as someone who tries to complete pokedexes, i like goh. i think the problem most viewers have is that it was such a major shift in the formula
Go reminded me a bit of Crystal in the manga at first as her thing was that all pokemons were catchable if you knew where to trow and how to trow the ball. But. . . well, even she had problems at times to catch and had to start over after her arms got hurt. But Go. . . let's be honest here, has master balls, only master balls that he paints into pokeballs.
I’m sorry but I’m a germ believer that ash needed plot armor to beat Leon and Sythia they made it to were garchomp didn’t go mega and had ash use 3 gimicks while Leon used 1 I’m not saying ash didn’t earn his wins I’m saying the writers went about it wrong
*Cynthia,* but otherwise yes
*Cynthia
@@PeruvianPotato SHHHUUUUUUUT
I, personally, believe he didn’t deserve the win. I mean come on, no ten year old by any logic should win the freaking WORLD COORDINATION
I would argue they should have aged ash a little first, then he should have won. It shouldn’t just be meaningful; it should be realistic
I personally found Journeys fun but not the best, XY and Sun&Moon takes that. However it still annoys me that Ash didnt use any of his old pokemon, especially his best performing pokemon from his previous adventures for the Leon battle since its the CHAMPIONSHIP BATTLE.
The one thing I didn’t like about Pokemon Journeys is that it felt more like an adaptation of Pokemon Go than Sword & Shield and there was a lot of focus on old Pokemon as not all of the Gen 8 Pokemon appeared. Plus no movies for it. The one with Zarude should’ve taken place within the main series. I saw no point in movie reboots. Whats more is the GS Ball plot was never resolved and Team Rocket is still active. I always imagined how the Pokemon anime would end (or at least Ash’s story) and was always hoped it would be the take down of the whole Team Rocket organization and Ash’s father would be involved too.
I guess that's what happens when you release two games at the same time.
Great Video, Gooey!
Thanks Kuro!
One of the reasons Journey's was so bad, was because they focused so much more on Goh than Ash, when this is literally Ash's show, this is his final season why tf are you focusing on Goh? Goh was also just not likable, as you mentioned.
5:39 You're a bit mistaken on this point. Goh's goal was ALWAYS to catch Mew. It was to the point where he didn't want to catch ANY other Pokemon, until Ash convinced him in like Episode 3(?) that it would be impossible to catch Mew without any Pokemon of his own. From that point, Goh decided that catching every Pokemon was the best path to finding Mew, who contains the DNA of every Pokemon.
1 - Literally the region he is champion of didn't even go there to watch him.
2 - A lucario that randomly beats a Garchomp that has years of experience is straight bs
3 - Many pokemon got completely ignored when they could have got their time to shine
4 - His team seems to be the strongest yet it's the most recent one (Are you serious?)
5 - 3/4 of his traveling friends didn't care about him being the champion he always dreamed about
6 - Legendary pokemon aren't as legendary as they once were since they're seen way too frequently as no big deal
The writers should’ve gotten suggestions from the fans. The series would’ve been an epic one.
not all humans get that the pokemon anime is A scripted show
I Think with Pokemon journey, the pokemon company DOESN'T KNOW how to make a series that doesn't follow a league of some kind.
So they where most-likely struggling the whole time and wondering where to take the series if it doesn't follow the pokemon league formula.
Most likely they got so used to the pokemon league formula of the series, that they don't know how to write anything else.
I believe they mastered the pokemon league formula of the show in pokemon xyz and then had to write a similar but not the same formula for Sun and moon.
Most likely when it was announced that instead of going back to the pokemon league formula for galar, it would be journeys instead.
The writer panicked because they couldn't think of anything original anymore so they had the journey focus on fanservice not realizing that it has been so long that they ended up making mistakes during the fanservice.
Long story short.
The Pokemon show creators are unable to make anything that isn't following some kind of League formula so that is why journey sucks.
It was the pokemon show creators ONLY attempt to do a series WITHOUT a league formula to follow.
Pokemon has been going on for SO LONG...
that the show creator can't think of anything that doesn't follow the pokemon league formula in some way.
Pokemon journey is basically designed like a spin-off of the pokemon anime in ever way except officially.
The Ash-Goh dynamic could have worked if they helped each other using their respective knowledge of the games they're repping. Ash, who is repping the main series games, should have been more battle focused and helped Goh with that, while Goh (who is repping Pokémon Go) could have coached Ash on how to catch Pokémon quickly and efficiently instead of wearing them down with a battle (Idk what Pokémon Go's gimmick is, I never played it).
I can imagine why Ash losing the knowledge of basic type matchups and Goh having to coach him through it didn't sit well with fans. Especially when those type matchups have been a part of the main series, the games Ash is supposed to represent, since the very beginning.
If I were re-writing it, the series would have been split into two halves. The first half would have been called Pokémon Journeys, in which Ash takes the Galarian gym challenge, travels all over Galar and battles in the League like normal. Sure, it's somewhat formulaic, but this arc would have acted as a "Back to Basics" type thing, especially after the palate cleanser that was Sun & Moon. In this arc, Ash would have used exclusively new Pokémon like he does every time he arrives in a new region. Ash would then end up winning the League, which would have resulted in him getting noticed by Leon, the #1 trainer in the world, and him proving to the IRL audience that he can in fact win a regular League, and not just unconventional island championships like the Orange Archipelago and Alola League.
The second half would be Pokémon Ultimate Journeys, which would start with Ash getting invited to the World Coronation Series by Leon (or Cynthia if you want a familiar face). He'd then spend the series re-treading through all the previous regions, re-visiting significant places, re-battling old rivals, and re-meeting old friends (and all his released Pokémon too). If you guessed it, yes the series would have been one giant pile of fanservice. At the end of which, Ash enters the Masters 8, fights through all the Champions, and finally becomes the #1 trainer in the world. IMO it'd feel way more earned this way.
And if you're asking "Didn't Ash already beat Leon if he won the Galar League?" Remember that winning the League in the anime is way different than winning the League in the games. In the games, winning the League means fighting through the Elite 4 and the Champion. In the anime however, it means beating all the other participants who qualified for the League. So, no Ash wouldn't have beaten Leon if he won the Galar League.
,,And if you're asking "Didn't Ash already beat Leon if he won the Galar League?" Remember that winning the League in the anime is way different than winning the League in the games. In the games, winning the League means fighting through the Elite 4 and the Champion. In the anime however, it means beating all the other participants who qualified for the League. So, no Ash wouldn't have beaten Leon if he won the Galar League.''
But winning the regional league gives you the opportunity to fight the elite four and the regional champion just like in the game. This was said in episode 35 "Elite Meet and Greet!" Diamond and Pearl 🙄
@spinotikus1518 Yes. You only get "the opportunity" to fight the E4 and the champion. Meaning you can do it if you want to, but it isn't a requirement.
We haven't seen any other League winner fight their champions and yet they still got the trophy for winning the League.
Hell, Tobias had (at the very least) 2 legendary Pokèmon on his team. But Cynthia is still the Sinnoh Champion. Meaning either Cynthia defeated him and his legendaries, or he elected not to fight her.
@@WebbedManiac And Lance went from being a member of the Elite Four (in episode 12) to the champion of Kanto and Johto (in episode 109)🤔
Despite its flaws, I honestly still enjoyed journeys. Sure I wish it would’ve been better but I still had fun while watching it, and ash becoming world champion has made me the most happiest I have ever felt thru the whole anime.
But yeah I won’t deny that this series in the anime isn’t perfect and there are things that I wish were done better like having all of ash’s travel companions and rivals in the actual stadium to watch him battle Leon. For Goh, I do understand that his whole gimmick is Pokemon go, but it still feels unfair that he could catch so many pokemon way too easily while ash always struggled to battle them before catching them. As for Chloe… man out of all the pokegirls, her conclusion was dumb. She wasn’t interested to become a pokemon researcher just like her dad during the start of the series and that’s exactly what she decides to do, like what??… and the fact that her eevee didn’t even evolved was disappointing. And the two eleven minute fillers were so dumb and unnecessary. Heck, I’m even disappointed that Paul (the rival who I freaking hate and refuse to forgive him for abusing my fire baby chimchar) wasn’t in the championship, it’s like the writers forgot what Cynthia said back in the sinnoh series of hoping to see ash and Paul battle again in the championships. And of course, it makes me sad that Jessie James and meowth refused to quit team rocket and continue to get pikachu. It’s sad because honestly those three really deserve to have a happy ending, quit team rocket and live a humble life by doing something that they can actually be good at, like why not sell malasadas just like they did in sun and moon?? It would’ve been cute that they could have an actual good business that can gain a lot of attention and that way they can no longer struggle with getting money. Like butch and Cassidy did do that and it makes me happy for them, so it’s unfair that Jessie James and meowth are still working for team rocket 😢
But yea, despite all those flaws, I still enjoyed journeys. It’s not as good as the other series in the anime but it’s still a series that always puts me in a good happy mood just like sun and moon 😊
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Since you brought up Paul, it brings to mind one of my biggest issue with Journeys (Goh the little shit that he is aside) which was the fact that Ash has no real rivals for what's supposed to be his final series. Yeah Leon exists but he's really more the final boss and doesn't have much a strong history/relationship with Ash either, and the old rivals that did reappear were basically an afterthought in the grand scheme of things (Paul/Alain).
One of Pokemon's defining story beats is the competition between the MC and their Rival, so it would have been really great if we got that again for Ash, and personally I would have loved it if say it was Gary. Say the latter decided to come out of retirement temporarily cause he thought it'd be fun to compete in the tournament and against Ash for old time's sake. It would have been a great book end if Ash's last main rival was his first.
I mean I know Go was kinda breaking the show by catching everything he saw but maybe he was made to imitate us playing the game
Pretty sure he was meant as a walking ad for “pokemon go” game. Gotta Catch em all
I’m not going to lie…Pokémon Journeys had so much potential yet they squandered it! I had no problem with go yet I found him annoying at times. Chloe was whatever…Ash’s team was good but lacked something I can’t put my finger on it. Also I did like that most of the older characters returned yet most were underutilized. Aim to be a Master was nothing but nostalgia pandering while it’s great we got the original trio however I wish they could have done more before Ash left. I wish we had a better ending where all of Ash’s companions met. I hated how May didn’t reunite with Ash, I hated how Serena’s reunion with Ash was short! I also didn’t like the disrespect towards Alain and Diantha. Seriously why the XY hate?! Not to mention Hoen was done dirty. Pokémon journey’s had interesting ideas and concepts yet sadly was a disappointment in the end. I did enjoy it for the most part but it had a lot to be desired. And for Ash’s final journey it’s pretty disappointing. But I am liking Horizons a lot more. Ash or no Ash, Pokémon is still Pokémon.
Although it felt like Ash cheated, which I do agree with, being able to use as many gimmicks as each trainer can is the way to really have a battle of true strength. If Ash was only able to use one, he wouldn’t be using all of his power, since two other gimmicks would be eliminated, it’s not Ash’s fault that Leon only has access to Dynamax
To be fair, Leon was the one who allowed Ash to use all of his Gimmicks.
@@jonathanchen4987it was a great battle either way tbh
@@Kingmar06 Agreed.
Yeah I agree with that !
Pokémon Journeys and Big World Big Adventures (an era of Thomas the Tank Engine) are both about the main characters traveling the world. And both are very poor in my opinion. Journeys shafted the Galar stuff in favor of Filler and Kanto. While BWBA did the opposite, removing two of the original characters from the main cast (Edward and Henry) and replacing them with two new characters.
Thing is I actually tolerate BWBA, I can’t defend Journeys. Heck, the Galar Starters don’t show up together in base form outside of “The world of Pokémon” segments.
At least Charizard got put in its place in the end. I hate Charizard so much
Leon cheated too he used 2 gigantamax
But like leon alowed it in their battle
As someone who watched every episode of every Pokémon series... Except journey's, it was not great, I finished almost all of Journey's but I didnt even make it to master journey's or whatever the heck that was supposed to be
Journeys ruined the best part of Pokemon... if it isn't the massive hate of Black and White or Sun and Moons different animation style, Journeys with it's "fanservice" finale that ruined it.
If I could go back in time, I'd go back in time and have the writers and producers change alot of things with journeys.
0) only 1 thing I would keep, is Ash's Journey still ending.
Changes/Fixes I'd make
1) Team Rocket is as threatening as ever, and has all their previous mons, as well as new ones. Meowth actually finally learns some new attacks, making him actually a far stronger Meowth than before. (I get rid of the Rocket Gacha Machine since that was honestly a shitty idea) I'd also make Giovannni have a few apperances, and maybe even have him take Ash on in a full on battle.
2) Get rid of Goh and Chloe... those 2 characters, ruined the show in their own way.... some more than others.
3) Even if I kept Ash's entire team, I'd have ALL of Ash's Pokemon plus the newcomers and even ones he never caught make appearances and appear on his team throughout the series. For example, an episode might feature Ash with his Charizard, and the next his Infernape. I wouldn't leave his entire team at Oaks Lab until after the champions tournament. I'd use them and have them be there to help grow his "journeys" team to becoming the strongest team yet.
4) I wouldn't make Leon Ash's final opponent. I'd still have the tourney go similar, but I'd make it more than just Top 8. I'd make it a full on League where the Top 512 trainers duke it out to see who is the Champion. I'd have Ash have a chance to battle some of his rivals that he has lost to and won against.
Paul, Trip, Cameron, Harrison, Heck Gary Oak gets one last clash. Ash would use all of his Pokemon and every single match would be 3v3 until the Top 16, then with Ash there, he'd battle his 4 opponents (as he wins them) in 6v6 matches.
Ash would fight not Steven Stone, but Alain in a rematch, Ash would fight Cynthia in the Semi-finals, and Ash would also fight maybe Lance or Iris in the Top 8. Ash's finals would be against Leon... But after Ash beats Leon, that would be when Tobias would be reintroduced and be used in a 4 part episode where Ash has to defeat the previous Grand Master. Ash lost to him badly in their first battle, so now Ash has to defeat Tobias. Ash's full team chosen to take on Tobias, and all of his other pokemon. Though, have mentions of this trainer appear throughout the series, and although Ash knows about the Darkrai and Latios, have some trainers mention, this guy used "insert a legendary pokemon" and completely wiped the floor with me. This would allow Ash to plan his team out to beat Tobias... and he'd win in a close match.
5) Legends Arceus Arc would be longer and Ash would have his Oshawot, Rowlet, and Quilava evolve into the hisuian forms to help promote Legends Arceus.
6) (optional) If Ash is to catch a legendary, I'd pick a legendary or two that I feel would fit Ash perfectly, and even if Ash didn't use them in his major battles, if Ash had them on his team and trained with them, that would be fine.
Goh's starter pokemon thing is messy. At first the writers decided they didn't want Goh to have a starter. But then they changed they're mind and gave him Scorbunny. But then they changed they're mind and tried to remove Scorbunny by evolving Scorbunny into the less included Raboot. But THEN they switched it again by kinda giving him a pokemon again by giving him Sobble. It's a MESS!
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0:34 ngl I agree they had to waste some of the best characters in the masters 8 and felt too childish probably because I grew up but still
the problem was lack of story and goh we didnot get much of galar. Goh was just there for pokemon go marketing and this noob was given legendary and powerful pokemon way to easily
I may have or may have not punched a wall after when Goh caught Suicune. 💀😅
@@brickbanditstudios6037 suicune was super week from poachers non stop polluting A lake so suicune was easy catchable
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Damn. That’s tough. I still loved Journeys 🤷🏾♂️
Goh secretly used master balls disguised as normal Poké balls
How and what do you think future seasons (Horizons onwards) should be to not do the same mistakes as Journeys (even tho we all know Ash is no longer in the anime)?
Well, Horizons seems to be doing better than journeys in almost all compartments and it’s doing well even without ash, so idk. The problem is that Ash was such a big part of the anime he took half the viewers with him when he left lol
@@gooey448I'm Agreed. Liko is better than a Reseted Ash.
Ash definitely wasn't the most inconsistent characters between all the champions, Leon beat basically everyone because the plot told us he's the champion and the number one but never really did anything to prove or show it the whole series, all of Cynthia's battles were handled very well and really showed how smart and difficult of an opponent she is to defeat. Even Iris who wasn't well liked in BW got a great redemption by becoming champion and proving she's on equal footing with Ash.
One reason why I didn't like the show was that as soon as gohs scorbunny evolved into cinderace he was just like "yeah I'm never using you again so just stay in my pocket and only come out when there is food." "Insted I'm just gonna use my sobble who is not very strong but will eventually become inteleon but not yet"
And eventually switches out to Grookey which he’ll barely even use at all 💀
Tbh Journeys couldn't have redeem itself if it wasn't for Goh and Chloe,and Ash not traveling and staying in galar the region meeting new friends along the way,it could have been perfect m,but no they made it worse
Bro Pokemon Journey's was basically a joke of a series I didn't like the characters and almost everything in this anime was caterpillar butt cheeks like they could of just had Ash travel the Galar region instead of him going around doing random crud
While I personally don’t think it’s the worst series, and was hype during many of the highs, I have many problems with it including:
1. Kinda disrespecting past characters and pokemon (I.e. Alain and greninja)
2. The choice to not rotate Pokemon especially after they hinted it was gonna happen
3. Weak side character stories that led nowhere (…Chloe)
4. Go. I didn’t hate him, but I found his episodes to be way less interesting and often found myself skipping over them. Overall, he’s probably one of my least fav companions.
5. Some of the choices during the world tournament didn’t make much sense to me from a narrative perspective. For example, the matchups didn’t really seem right. Think it would’ve been better for Iris to battle a “dragon master” like Lance supposedly is or Ash getting his get back with Alain. Even Cynthia’s choice to not use mega garchomp seemed weird and made it so it felt like ash didn’t beat her at her “best”.
5. The tournament overall also felt lackluster because it skipped over fights. Alain had half an ep to get stomped and Lance vs Diantha literally occurred in the background of an episode.
I kind of agree, Man although I don’t think the series is terrible. It was a bit of a disappointment
the concept is amazing, but the execution was a bit swampy Goh is Mid he’s not terrible but he could’ve been better at least he’s better than
Koharu she was BORING as HELL and she barely feels like a Main Character plus we didn’t get that much Galar representation despite being a Gen 8 series and no, DLC are you kidding me let’s have some gray moments, but it would’ve been more great if it was executed better
It wasn’t miss opportunity for Ash use his old Pokémon again could’ve helped him out during the battles and even be a mentor tours his new Team Gible could have fully evolved into Garchomp Snivy could have fully evolved into Serperior Scraggy could have evolved into Scrafty to pair with Iris’s Haxorus Totodile could have fully evolved into Feraligatr and to see Ash’s old Pokémon like this Guys Oshawott could have fully evolved into Hisuian Samurott to promote legends Arceus so that Dawn’s Quilava evolves into Hisuian Typhlosion and Goh catches a Hisuian Decidueye at lease we got the Sword and Shield Series made by Zactoshi but there is a better version of this series made by two people Electro Pikachu and Zanolith that did the rewrite on journeys not completed, but they’re amazing you recommend you go check these out if you want a better version of journeys that all we need to say
I basically forced myself to watch the whole series and the master 8 was done dirty only good battles are Iris vs Cynthia, Ash vs Cynthia and Ash vs Leon, and maybe Lance vs Diantha