Manga Red is the only Red I can genuinely see as being strong. Origins Red is a jabroney, and Game Red’s been taking nothing but fat L’s since GS. Man’s lost to 4 generations of protagonists, two of whom are those goobers from the LG Pikachu/Eevee games.
@@fatherofrose4027Red only even caught the original 150 Pokémon. Even if he caught mew, what’s it matter when he’s only used roughly 1/3rd of Kanto’s pokedex throughout all canon anyways. Ash caught less but he actually caught Pokémon from other regions. Red’s Quantity to Ash’s Quality. Ash is champ, as well. World champ. Don’t know what rock you’ve been living under. Even ESPN covered that shit.
Imagine being Blue bru. You JUST became champion and then your rival pulls up not even an hour later and bodies you. And then, YOUR granpa comes and starts GLAZING him while calling you dogshit😂. Me personally, I'm crashing tf out
Naw I’m leveling up. Tbf they did Blue in the games perfectly-neighbours to rival, then to champion and your challenger, and became gym leader after the 1st team rocket take down (keep in mind the LAST Kanto gym leader meaning he has no type specialist-just him and his top tier team) AND then travelling to other regions to take on the PWT Champion AND Battle Tree?! Naw, Blue not 🟦 he 🔵💪🏼
@@Ilikesceptile11 champion-kinda obvs be the context given? (If you played the games but that’s just negligence bc they’re so old games or recycled content)
Red lost 5 Pokémon to a Rhyhorn, 2 of whom had 4x super effective damage. I think that’s WAY worse than a Zekrom nerfed Pikachu losing to Snivy. Even then, that Snivy knew Leaf Tornado. That ain’t no fresh out of the egg starter.
@@boredianz and at least there, he’s got a personality, not that mute who abandoned his champion title to go hide up on a mountain. People always take mad smack about Ash being a “loser”. I bet you those people haven’t seen a single episode of the anime since BW. They really out here thinking Red’s got a chance against world champ Ash. The only trainer in any and all Pokémon canon to have Megas, Z moves and G-max all at once.
Most of the battles are off screen so they gave most of the time to Charizard, but its clear that he also uses Jolteon and lapras quite a bit. Also keep in mind that in the SHORT time he became champion he trained dozens of diferent pokemons in that time, not just 6 or 7
@@nift36 sure, but that rhydon was far stronger that whatever Red was supposed to face, Red had the caution to train a team to every gym leader and he felt confident enough to bring his jolteon to a ground tipe gym so he should in theory be strong enough to fight decently. Why was he one knocked by a eletric attack i dont have a ideia And that jolteon helped Red to defeat the Elite 4 and became the champion so even if he was weak he grew considerably stronger
The epitome of everyone's first pokemon run. You take you starter and only train that one. Charizard was probably around lvl 90 and the rest of his team around 50 so it makes sense that Mewtwo cooked his team before Charizard lol
Origins Red relied heavily on Charizard. I always prefered Red with Venusaur since it gives him more of an underdog feel. It’s why I prefer the manga version of Red more.
Red was mere Kanto champ and instantly gave up the title. Ash not only became Alola’s champ, he became world champ as well. If anything, Ash was what Red wanted to be.
@@kingpz9739 actually thats just wrong. World champ is an anime only title. Origins is completely based off the games, thats why every episode starts off as if your booting up a game
@@barbaracult responding to that dude is pointless. He got like 40 comments on this video alone. I like Kanto Ash better. But the level of dickriding by edman has been nothing short of elite
Ash has more feats but mainly because we had more time with him. If Red was given half the screentime we would see him do twice as much. Regardless both are incredible and would get along very well.
honestly though, in my oppinion pokemon origions was basically just absolutely glazing charizard and its mega evo, the whole series it was basically jus chrizard fighting the major battles
because the anime is suppose to be more accurate to the game. that was the whole point of that show. red is the player and he did everything 90% of the players did. max out their starter.
@tedscheett9420 tbh i just let Blue pick Charmander just to have it get railed by my Golem or Jolteon when it becomes Charizard. But your Charizard hate is on a whole nother level frfr.
@@casualcallahan7039 Well, if they're going to prioritize Charizard in Sword and Shield and Scarlet and Violet, why shouldn't I prioritize its archrival?
@@1dfr33 dude, Red lost 5 Pokémon to a Rhyhorn, 2 of whom had 4x super effective damage. My man’s Jolteon lost to a thunderbolt. An ELECTRIC special attack. From a RHYHORN! Jolteon has Volt Absorb, who did Red even screw that up?!
@@1dfr33 if you’re referring to manga red, then yes. That red is actually compotent. Game Red has been a walking L the second we stopped puppeteering him, seeing as how he’s lost to 4 generations of protagonists since. And we need not talk of origins Red.
In origins red is heavily underlevelled. Reminder these are giovannis specially trained pokemon that he has levelled up his whole life while reds pokemon were only trained up to fight this gym leader. If gio used his normal team, red wouldve demolished
He used other completely diferent team. Dodrio, jolteon, lapras, charizard, persian and scyther. Also there was some time and victory road before the elite 4. He lost against rhyhorn because his mons were underleveled, which makes sense since he trains dozens of pokemons intead of only 7/8
@@Shinrius red merely bumbled his way around and pulled wins out of his ass in origins. Man never had a single battle in this series that felt deserved because the anime not only made him a full on fool, but the plot armor was fully evident.
I feel ash is so much better, bec we actually got to see his journey, like his wins and losses. We got to see him grow into the world champ. They wrapped up red's 95% of the battles in a god damn montage. Red literally got the adopted child treatment
@@aahaankhandelwal7822 this. Exactly this. For Ash, we saw his journeys. Saw his struggles. Therefore when he finally managed to win against his rivals and finally won the league and world championship, it was earned. Red bumbled his way through Origins, winning his battles through sheer plot armor guiding him. Almost every battle (how few there were, cuz they glossed over like 80-90% of the game) only showed him being incompetent, proving only he didn’t deserve to win any of his battles.
Honestly, Red is a cool trainer in his own right, but I can never see him as "the strongest trainer of all" that Pokémon wants me to see him as. My reasoning is as follows: 1. Outside of Gen 1, this guy is almost always losing. That fight atop Mt Silver in Johto was sick as hell, but after that he also appears in the Pokémon World Tournament in B2W2 and the Battle Tree in SM/USUM and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee. Since the protagonist is always required to beat Red, it takes away from his supposed legend, and paints him as "oh he's just a strong trainer like the rest of us". 2. The fact that his team is remarkably easy to beat. Unlike Cynthia, who's often lauded for having a competitively viable team, the only real challenge Red poses is his high levels. His team is just Kanto Starters + Pikachu + Lapras/Espeon + Snorlax. We know for a fact that he has more powerful Pokémon like the Kanto Legendary Birds + Mewtwo in his possession. Why doesn't he ever pull them out? He feels like that one guy in your friend group who only pulls up with the most recognizable Pokémon simply because they are the most recognizable. I know he's kinda required to do that due to being one of the mascots of the franchise, but it still hurts his credibility. As for the Red vs Ash debacle? My money's on Ash for the following reasons: 1. *_"Red caught a Mewtwo while Ash has never beaten one."_* This argument ignores the fact that all the Mewtwos that Ash has encountered are infinitely smarter than the one Red caught. Like look at the fight again, Red's Mewtwo is always growling and attacking like a wild beast, while all the Mewtwos that Ash encountered are capable of holding intelligent conversation. Hell, dude was literally figuring out the meaning of life in the First Movie. 2. *_"Red took down Team Rocket singlehandedly."_* Yes, Ash required help from other people, but he has taken down multiple teams. Some of whom were operating on a far grander scale than Team Rocket (Aqua/Magma/Galactic) just to name a few. 3. *_"Red is the Kanto Champion."_* Cool, Ash is the World Champion now. Journeys literally ends with him being crowned the strongest in the world. 4. The anime simply operates on a different logic than the games. As such, provided Red and Ash keep their battle styles from their respective universes, Ash would have tricks that Red has never seen before, while all of Red's tricks would be obvious to Ash.
Red is the clear Winner compared to Ash.. Why? If we're going to compare Ash to Red, then compare them to their Gen1 Kanto Achievements Red, captured 150 pokemons, becomes Kanto Champion, and what is Ash's achievement in Kanto? Yes Ash is the pokemon Monarch now but that is because he ventured to a lot of region that Red did not venture in. Also why is Ash always compared to Red? Why not Gold/Ethan vs Ash on Johto Region Achievements? Or Ruby/Brendan vs Ash on Hoenn Region Achievements? Ash aint shit compared to them.. Maybe on the last 3 Regions where Ash is becoming more competent like Kalos(Gen6), Alola(Gen7) and Galar(Gen8)
@@vanjagalovic3621manga red’s pokemon has lightspeed feats and his most frail pokemon, pikachu, can tank hyper beams that can destroy the entirety of vermillion city with ease. im sorry but ash gets soloed by just manga red’s pikachu ALONE.
@@vanjagalovic3621 Anime Primal Kyogre barely scales to a hyper beam from manga lance’s dragonair. It was clear that Steven Stone’s metagross would’ve been one-shotted by said attack from Primal Kyogre. If Primal Groudon is of the same strength, then I think that manga lance ALONE could destroy both. Manga Legendaries scale much higher than anime legendaries, considering an arguably level 44ish newly evolved Noivern with near NO battle experience scaled to anime Zapdos. You can’t even scale Ash’s strongest Pokemon, Pikachu to the Primal Kyogre feat stated earlier. So lets just say you’re correct about the lightspeed feats; it doesn’t even matter. Because a single hit from Red’s Pikachu, dare I bring out his Mega Venusaur, could one shot just about all of Ash’s Pokemon.
I was going to say Red's the better trainer but then I actually thought about it. Apart from Blue, Red only defeated opponents by outnumbering them, which is a cheap tactic. Against Brock, Nidoran was the only Pokemon who could actually put up a fight on his own merits. He very nearly beat Onix by himself, only for Onix to then sweep through 3 other Pokemon without even trying. Giovanni's Rhyhorn took out 5 Pokemon all by itself. Then Rhydon only lost to Charizard because of plot armour. If Red actually fought Giovanni fairly instead of by simply outnumbering him, he wouldn't have stood a chance. It's the same with Mewtwo. 5 Pokemon weakened it and even after that, Charizard had to resort to Mega Evolution to stand any chance at all. Also, the Elite 4 have 5 Pokemon each, so even there, Red only won by outnumbering them with 6 Pokemon. Literally the only time Red won a battle fair and square was against Blue.
@@tomnorton4277it’s smart because they don’t limit you. you can bring how many ever pokemon you want I know it’s cheap to out number them but it never said red can’t
@@alphatech1743 honestly, if we’re power scaling this, Ash Negs diffs origins Red. Low/Mid diffs Game Red, and High diffs with manga Red. Manga red is the only one I can see feasibly beating Ash, because as of today, Ash is so far the only trainer in any canon of Pokemon to wield Mega Evolution, Z moves and G-Max all at once.
Origins Red is such a fraud, you know bro didn’t care for any of his other pokemon when his jolteon is so under leveled it loses to thunderbolt from a Ryhorn 💀 He even calls the fight “meaningless” if he doesn’t win with only Charizard Could NEVER be my Goat Ash
@@barbaracult The pokemon Giovanni used was breed for someone that has seven badges up to that point, he doesn’t even use the full team he uses in game and Red nearly got sweeped which probably wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t favor only Charizard 💀. Plus Blue beat’s Giovanni before Red and he clearly had a more well trained team when we fight him prior to victory road ingame.
@@DontChuckles this is simply wrong. Blue beat giovannis weaker team. Giovanni gets mad at reds foolishness and wants to put him in his place with his specially trained pokemon. It’s literally in the show. Did u watch it?
@@DontChuckles red: “beware this is not a challenge to a gym leader, I challenge the enemy of all pokemon.” Giovanni: “another boy of just your age came to this just yesterday, he too was arrogant, but he had a potential that far outstripped any potential trainer I have faced” Red: “blue” Giovanni: “I decided to go ahead and accept that boys challenge, I did so as a gym leader” *swaps 6 pokeballs to 2 ultraballs* “thats not the case for you” *Giovanni monologues about how red aggitates him* “I will bring out my two specially chosen pokemon and force you to your knees” *Red gets insta KO by rhyhorn* Giovanni: “you assumed you victorybell would give you a quick win based on type alone right but in the face of my rhyhorn it simply doesn’t stand a chance” *Red loses badly.* Red: “How could thunderbolt beat jolteon like that” Giovanni: “you did well to strike at rhyhorns weakness but the difference in our pokemons level is simply too great.” Hitmonlee ties with rhyhorn Giovanni: “I will crush that foolish pride right along with that charizard of yours” *Giovanni inner monologues about his childhood* *red beats Giovanni* Giovanni: “I didnt think you raised your charizard too a high enough level, certainly not enough to defeat my rhydon.”
While Red is awesome, for me it's Ash. My boy ash has gone through all the regions, minus Paldea as of now, battled all the gym leaders, some elite four, won the orange league, conquered the battle frontier, participated in all of the League Conferences and did quite well in most of them, and won the first Alola league and became it's champion kind off, defeated most of the evil teams, met a whole heap of legendary pokemon, including god himself, saved the world many times, caught maybe solgaleo and an ultra beast, participated in a world Pokemon championship tournament where he defeated maybe strong trainers from all the regions, defeated Alain, Steven, Cynthia, and even defeated the supreme monarch aka the pokemon world champion Leon and became that. While Red did his journey, defeated the gym leaders, won the Kanto league, maybe Johto, defeated team rocket, captured Mewtwo, and disappeared to Mt. Silver. So yeah my boy ash is the goat, and red, IMO, is just over hyped by the fans for being the first game protagonist
You clearly need to know more about Red. Red is much more than you have seen in this Origin anime. Red conquered Indigo League on his first try, unlike Ash. Red completed his dex. He then moved to other regions (see Generations) like Ash, but Red left his Champion title long time ago to get stronger, and having super long winning streak, and extremely strong that Red was now officially titled by the Pokemon franchise as "The Living Legend", "The Legendary Trainer", "Battle Legend", and "Battle Master" to showcase his legendary strength. Red canonically can do all gimmicks like Ash too, Mega Evolution, Z move and Gmax. In Masters (currently ongoing), Red was blatantly stated as "The strongest trainer in history" and he was truly respected by Cynthia, Leon, and everyone due to his unrivaled strength as a trainer. Red also single handedly took half of Team Rocket with just one Pokemon (Snorlax) at one shot, while other Champions and E4 were having their hands full with the other half! Red IS the GOAT. Red is the OG.
Red really is a fraud, his team consists of 5 nobodys and charizard. At least with ash his other mons are also good while having son of arceus pikachu.
Please, all those grunts were weak as hell and you know it. Ash gives zero fucks about Team Rocket. They come to him, Pikachu one shots them and move on.
@@EWOODJ All the low level grunts had identical Pokemon to jesse n james , But Red defeated Giovanni 3 times … 3 times , not even mentioning Elite 4 who would smoke Kanto Ash. Man also caught mewtwo n legendary birds , Ash struggled against all legendary birds in Anime except articuno and tried to punch mewtwo 😂 Believe me I like Ash too but roaming around in region vs destroying every elite trainer in entire kanto is a big feat.
would have been a hillarious easter egg to show him searching for mew north of cerulean city, then a trainer demands a battle as he is teleporting away on an abra, he shrugs it off and keeps looking and what do you know, a mew... and cut it without showing whether he caught it or not.
And people say ash was bad. My man red lost 2 Pokémon with quad super effective damage to an unevolved Rhyhorn, sent in 2 Pokémon with disadvantage, only to finally send in his fighting type, only to have Hitmonlee trade with Rhyhorn. To think people still glaze this man is strange.
This adaptation of Red is gotta be the weakest of the Reds bro, the only Pokemon I can consider he trained is that fuckass Charizard of his and everyone else is gotta be begging for a smidget of exp, also, his Jolteon got ohko'd to that Rhyhorn via the use of Tbolt, this thing has a pitiful Special Attack so idk how this thing had ohko'd Jolteon aside from Giovanni being a crime lord and drugging his mons or Red being that neglectful to all nonZard mons.
@@reynaldofelicianocabuhat468 little of column A, mostly Column B on that one. Origins Red is such a loser, the fact he got along as far as he did was all because Charizard had that plot armor. To be honest, Manga Red is the only one is can say is really strong. Even game Red has been a jobber. Man’s been a walking L since GS. Losing to 4 whole generations of protagonists, one being those two goobers who you play as in Let’s Go. Manga Red is a good trainer, but people really be glazing this man too much. All he did is become Kanto champ and screw off to the top of a mountain. Man didn’t even finish team rocket off. Gold/Ethan not only took down team rocket for good, but he also went back in time with Celebi to also take down Giovanni AT THE SAME TIME his past self was talking TR down at the Goldenrod radio tower.
Seeing how all battles we’ve seen Red in involve most of his Pokemon getting destroyed besides Charizard, yeah, I think it’s safe to say Ash would win. His own Charizard don’t need to gimmicks to be the best. And that’s not including the son of Arceus
It's all fun and games until we bring up Manga Red
facts mans completed the pokedex and became champ hes 1 of 1 ash is his cheap american monetized cloned
Don’t talk s##T about ash man
Manga Red is the only Red I can genuinely see as being strong. Origins Red is a jabroney, and Game Red’s been taking nothing but fat L’s since GS. Man’s lost to 4 generations of protagonists, two of whom are those goobers from the LG Pikachu/Eevee games.
@@fatherofrose4027Red only even caught the original 150 Pokémon. Even if he caught mew, what’s it matter when he’s only used roughly 1/3rd of Kanto’s pokedex throughout all canon anyways. Ash caught less but he actually caught Pokémon from other regions. Red’s Quantity to Ash’s Quality. Ash is champ, as well. World champ. Don’t know what rock you’ve been living under. Even ESPN covered that shit.
@@edman9953 brother it took ash 20 fucking years it took red a couple days they are not built the same I’m sorry
Imagine being Blue bru. You JUST became champion and then your rival pulls up not even an hour later and bodies you. And then, YOUR granpa comes and starts GLAZING him while calling you dogshit😂. Me personally, I'm crashing tf out
Naw I’m leveling up. Tbf they did Blue in the games perfectly-neighbours to rival, then to champion and your challenger, and became gym leader after the 1st team rocket take down (keep in mind the LAST Kanto gym leader meaning he has no type specialist-just him and his top tier team) AND then travelling to other regions to take on the PWT Champion AND Battle Tree?! Naw, Blue not 🟦 he 🔵💪🏼
Exactly. If I was Blue, I wouldn't be taking that level of disrespect.
Became what?
@@Ilikesceptile11 champion-kinda obvs be the context given? (If you played the games but that’s just negligence bc they’re so old games or recycled content)
@@trxxblx-wxs-hxrx I knew, was just pointing out the typo
Red: the strongest trainer in history
Ash: the strongest trainer of today
Me in pokemon sword the best of the best pvper
Sukuna vs Gojo😂
Definitely not ash was a lot more better and ash could have captured every pokemon but he let them go their own way and live their own life
@@Watch-Combo23bro i was thinking exactly like you when i saw this comment
Ash didnt get folded as much as red did in every red fight he'd always end with charizard after he got swept
I aint never seen a peak red lose to a fresh out the egg snivy so my answer is clear
Straight facts!!!
Red lost 5 Pokémon to a Rhyhorn, 2 of whom had 4x super effective damage. I think that’s WAY worse than a Zekrom nerfed Pikachu losing to Snivy. Even then, that Snivy knew Leaf Tornado. That ain’t no fresh out of the egg starter.
That snivy wasnt natty fr
Pikachu was nerfed so yeah
@@edman9953 he still won tho
Red is literally HIM
Man lost 5 Pokémon to a Rhyhorn, he ain’t all that.
@@edman9953he’s trying alright?🙂↕️
@@edman9953 ash one time used in pikachu i front of new starter pokemon and got folded
@@Mr.Prince-d4vBro lost to a level 5 snivy owned by a new trainer in their first battle with his strongest pokemon he had for 4 journeys
@@USER-pe6lo No so called “level 5 Snivy” knows leaf tornado.
Well, at least Red is still pretty goated in the games and also the manga
Idk about games but manga hell yeah
@@boredianz manga red is a G, not doubt about that. But people glaze Game and Anime Red WAY too much.
@@edman9953 onb like the only good version of Red imo is manga Red, and that’s it.
@@boredianz and at least there, he’s got a personality, not that mute who abandoned his champion title to go hide up on a mountain.
People always take mad smack about Ash being a “loser”. I bet you those people haven’t seen a single episode of the anime since BW. They really out here thinking Red’s got a chance against world champ Ash. The only trainer in any and all Pokémon canon to have Megas, Z moves and G-max all at once.
@@edman9953 such a trash talk
Bro finally stopped whispering into my left ear
We love trump
My right ear is finally included🙏🙏🙏
fucking hilarious, nice one
“Is Red the GOAT?” - Was this ever a question?
5:27 imagine losing to a Rhyhorn as a Victreebel, bro's a fraud
Not only that but Kabutops too? Every Gen 4 Ubers player would be ashamed smh
#notmyRed
Ethan would never
it’s called horn drill
@@anyideas246 nah that was horn ATTACK
Honestly, in Origins Red's only good Pokemon was Charizard, everything else just gets cooked until Charizard shows up to win lol.
Yeah cuz reds a rookie trainer, all of his pokemon is underlevelled its like a level 90 charizard with a level 60 party
Most of the battles are off screen so they gave most of the time to Charizard, but its clear that he also uses Jolteon and lapras quite a bit.
Also keep in mind that in the SHORT time he became champion he trained dozens of diferent pokemons in that time, not just 6 or 7
@@nunobatista5822the Jolteon died to a Rhydon Thunderbolt lmao wouldn't call that welltrained by any stretch
@@nift36 sure, but that rhydon was far stronger that whatever Red was supposed to face, Red had the caution to train a team to every gym leader and he felt confident enough to bring his jolteon to a ground tipe gym so he should in theory be strong enough to fight decently.
Why was he one knocked by a eletric attack i dont have a ideia
And that jolteon helped Red to defeat the Elite 4 and became the champion so even if he was weak he grew considerably stronger
The epitome of everyone's first pokemon run. You take you starter and only train that one. Charizard was probably around lvl 90 and the rest of his team around 50 so it makes sense that Mewtwo cooked his team before Charizard lol
at least red didn't try to punch mewtwo
LMAO
Goes to show that Ash isn’t afraid of a OP clone
Yeah
That alone makes Ash the goat
@@Fotyent it makes him brave, but he was still stupid for doing that.
"If they named it mewtwo, that must mean mew's still out there!" (Mew proceeded to pass out the window) 😂💀💀💀
@@nashclash2 Quite the timing😭
0:42 “call me kendrick” LMAOOO
Fixed the audio...I'm never escaping late night uploads😅
i thought yo ass got hunted down by susan
Yeah maybe no more late nights 😂😂😂😂 got it eventually
Yup it’s 12 am rn
Theyre fun
There wasn't anything wrong?
Imagine being a Mewtwo.. And proceeded to use Swift… Like. That's Eevee's signature move at this point
Yeah! But that shit is strong you gotta agree.
@@abhaypandey4889 It could’ve use any moves but S W I F T .
Gen 1 movesets were shite
Origins Red relied heavily on Charizard. I always prefered Red with Venusaur since it gives him more of an underdog feel. It’s why I prefer the manga version of Red more.
Lets Go have Red Venusaur which I liked
manga red is in his own league, he slams both
That no red is name is green
That and Venusaur is objectively the best Kanto starter, and I will NOT hear otherwise.
@@marcelzeferino3761 dafuq you mean
Blue's five-minute victory feels like newly crowned WWE champs losing to Money in the Bank contracts
“Blastoise is the NEW UNIVERSAL CHAMPION”
“WAIT WHOS ENTRANCE MUSIC IS THA- JTS CHARIZARD WITH THE MONEY IN THE BANK BRIEFCASE!”
When I was younger, I thought Red was Ash or he was a random character for video games.
When I First Played Pokémon Red, Then Heard A TV Show Was Being Made I Thought Red Was Gonna Be The MP But It Wound Up Being Ash Ketchum.
That's because Ash is Red's anime counterpart just as Gary is Green's/Blue's counterpart.
Red is goat. But this Origins series did him dirty.
Sadly the four episodes likely did it.
How?
What? Origins at least made him realistic and not a silent boring OP trainer
@thelightspeeddash6329 5-0 rhydon
giovanni's ryhorn is definitely on some shit with that thunderbolt
Red is everything ash wanted to be and more
Red was mere Kanto champ and instantly gave up the title. Ash not only became Alola’s champ, he became world champ as well. If anything, Ash was what Red wanted to be.
@@edman9953those titles dont even exist in origins :P
@@barbaracultjust because they werent shown in origins doesnt mean they dont exist
@@kingpz9739 actually thats just wrong. World champ is an anime only title. Origins is completely based off the games, thats why every episode starts off as if your booting up a game
@@barbaracult responding to that dude is pointless. He got like 40 comments on this video alone. I like Kanto Ash better. But the level of dickriding by edman has been nothing short of elite
So happy to see you cover this series, this was my introduction to pokemon
Red is the GOAT that he took himself out of the equation and stayed two years on Mt Silver. Bro is HIM
Ash has more feats but mainly because we had more time with him. If Red was given half the screentime we would see him do twice as much. Regardless both are incredible and would get along very well.
1:45 bro went deep into the bag to roast 💀
thank you for blessing us with the reupload, my right ear hasn't been the same since 🙏😭
honestly though, in my oppinion pokemon origions was basically just absolutely glazing charizard and its mega evo, the whole series it was basically jus chrizard fighting the major battles
ngl, it's prolly cuz most kids heavily relied on their starter
facs
I just realized it’s an over leveled starter run
@@Unknown_Nexus535 Exactlyyy
because the anime is suppose to be more accurate to the game. that was the whole point of that show. red is the player and he did everything 90% of the players did. max out their starter.
Everyone's gangsta untill Manga Red pulls up
Thought i was gonna get in depth analysis and just got a voice over of an 11 year old short series lmaoooo
"Number one Charizard hater" my foot. I played FireRed just to pick Squirtle.
I do the same but pick bulbsaur
@@titanxowl. Naw, you see, the thing about picking Squirtle is that Charmander doesn't get picked period.
@tedscheett9420 tbh i just let Blue pick Charmander just to have it get railed by my Golem or Jolteon when it becomes Charizard. But your Charizard hate is on a whole nother level frfr.
@@casualcallahan7039 Well, if they're going to prioritize Charizard in Sword and Shield and Scarlet and Violet, why shouldn't I prioritize its archrival?
Charizard on top 🗣️🔥
5:38
Jolteon past gen 3: *laughs in volt absorb*
Honestly I think Manga Red got some more feats as crazy as it might sound
The only thing Ash is the G.O.A.T. of is being 10 years old for 30 years.😂😂😂
Red became a pokemon league champ first try right? That says enough.
Manga Red is a whole different breed bruh.
He's more than a goat, he's a carp that jumped up the waterfall and became a dragon.
Nah, red is by far the goat. Can't no one be a block of ice like HIM
@@1dfr33 dude, Red lost 5 Pokémon to a Rhyhorn, 2 of whom had 4x super effective damage. My man’s Jolteon lost to a thunderbolt. An ELECTRIC special attack. From a RHYHORN! Jolteon has Volt Absorb, who did Red even screw that up?!
@@edman9953 the red I refer to had a learning process too, but far exceeds the skill level of anything shown in origins
@@1dfr33 if you’re referring to manga red, then yes. That red is actually compotent. Game Red has been a walking L the second we stopped puppeteering him, seeing as how he’s lost to 4 generations of protagonists since. And we need not talk of origins Red.
The Goat titanxowl uploads another banger. Love your videos❤
I still don't know how did he win againsnt the elite 4 if he's previous team got folded by a rhyhorn before. Guess red also have plot armor
In origins red is heavily underlevelled. Reminder these are giovannis specially trained pokemon that he has levelled up his whole life while reds pokemon were only trained up to fight this gym leader. If gio used his normal team, red wouldve demolished
He used other completely diferent team.
Dodrio, jolteon, lapras, charizard, persian and scyther.
Also there was some time and victory road before the elite 4.
He lost against rhyhorn because his mons were underleveled, which makes sense since he trains dozens of pokemons intead of only 7/8
@@nunobatista5822 but they were super effective against a Rhydon, even Jolteon losing to Rhyhorn's Tbolt makes 0 sense as Jolteon has Volt Absorb
@@Shinrius red merely bumbled his way around and pulled wins out of his ass in origins. Man never had a single battle in this series that felt deserved because the anime not only made him a full on fool, but the plot armor was fully evident.
This video was fucking amazing, loved the comedic value in this vid. Fucking good job man
I feel ash is so much better, bec we actually got to see his journey, like his wins and losses. We got to see him grow into the world champ. They wrapped up red's 95% of the battles in a god damn montage. Red literally got the adopted child treatment
Red has a whole manga, he is fine
@@barbaracult Different Reds
@@EWOODJ every red is a different red lol
@@aahaankhandelwal7822 this. Exactly this. For Ash, we saw his journeys. Saw his struggles. Therefore when he finally managed to win against his rivals and finally won the league and world championship, it was earned. Red bumbled his way through Origins, winning his battles through sheer plot armor guiding him. Almost every battle (how few there were, cuz they glossed over like 80-90% of the game) only showed him being incompetent, proving only he didn’t deserve to win any of his battles.
@@edman9953ash also has plot armour 🤡🤡🤡 and winning work championship is best example
There comes a time in every man's life where the people he trusted turned out to be Charizard haters 😔
0:18 "Unlike these two" 😭😭
1:11 I thought it was their pokemon NAW THATS SOME RIVAL GAME!!
This was the best video to watch while clipping my toe nails
Honestly, Red is a cool trainer in his own right, but I can never see him as "the strongest trainer of all" that Pokémon wants me to see him as.
My reasoning is as follows:
1. Outside of Gen 1, this guy is almost always losing. That fight atop Mt Silver in Johto was sick as hell, but after that he also appears in the Pokémon World Tournament in B2W2 and the Battle Tree in SM/USUM and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee. Since the protagonist is always required to beat Red, it takes away from his supposed legend, and paints him as "oh he's just a strong trainer like the rest of us".
2. The fact that his team is remarkably easy to beat. Unlike Cynthia, who's often lauded for having a competitively viable team, the only real challenge Red poses is his high levels. His team is just Kanto Starters + Pikachu + Lapras/Espeon + Snorlax. We know for a fact that he has more powerful Pokémon like the Kanto Legendary Birds + Mewtwo in his possession. Why doesn't he ever pull them out? He feels like that one guy in your friend group who only pulls up with the most recognizable Pokémon simply because they are the most recognizable. I know he's kinda required to do that due to being one of the mascots of the franchise, but it still hurts his credibility.
As for the Red vs Ash debacle? My money's on Ash for the following reasons:
1. *_"Red caught a Mewtwo while Ash has never beaten one."_* This argument ignores the fact that all the Mewtwos that Ash has encountered are infinitely smarter than the one Red caught. Like look at the fight again, Red's Mewtwo is always growling and attacking like a wild beast, while all the Mewtwos that Ash encountered are capable of holding intelligent conversation. Hell, dude was literally figuring out the meaning of life in the First Movie.
2. *_"Red took down Team Rocket singlehandedly."_* Yes, Ash required help from other people, but he has taken down multiple teams. Some of whom were operating on a far grander scale than Team Rocket (Aqua/Magma/Galactic) just to name a few.
3. *_"Red is the Kanto Champion."_* Cool, Ash is the World Champion now. Journeys literally ends with him being crowned the strongest in the world.
4. The anime simply operates on a different logic than the games. As such, provided Red and Ash keep their battle styles from their respective universes, Ash would have tricks that Red has never seen before, while all of Red's tricks would be obvious to Ash.
8:03 blud made a fire 🔥 edit
7:02 this was a typical asian thing. congratulating other kid's success over his own relative LMAO
You did it! The audio is fixed! Haha
I mean, Red needed 6 Pokémon to beat a Rhyhorn and a Rhydon.
4:51 ''I ask of you... are you my Master?'' ahh scene, tf Giovanni doing 😭
Dont let Tobias find this video...
Tbh, that would be a dope battle Red vs. Tobias.
Origins red , who knows
Manga and game Red , its Red .
@@psquared2020 Tobias is low diffing red wtf. The only character that can prolly beat Tobias are the current regional champions and Ash
@megamanx1291 Which version of Ash and the regional champions you're referring to that you think can beat Tobias?
Bro imagine if you pull up, finally become the champion, then your rival kicks your teeth in and then your grandpa disses you about it
I don’t think bro remembers that mewtwo solos ash and goh at the same time and mewtwo wasn’t even using his full power
"Guys! I Quit!"
"Aight now take it."
Having this convo is like when they try to debate bron vs mj
Quoting Blue's speech before the final battle word for word made me tear up tbh
Red is the clear Winner compared to Ash.. Why?
If we're going to compare Ash to Red, then compare them to their Gen1 Kanto Achievements
Red, captured 150 pokemons, becomes Kanto Champion, and what is Ash's achievement in Kanto?
Yes Ash is the pokemon Monarch now but that is because he ventured to a lot of region that Red did not venture in.
Also why is Ash always compared to Red?
Why not Gold/Ethan vs Ash on Johto Region Achievements?
Or Ruby/Brendan vs Ash on Hoenn Region Achievements?
Ash aint shit compared to them.. Maybe on the last 3 Regions where Ash is becoming more competent like Kalos(Gen6), Alola(Gen7) and Galar(Gen8)
Love your videos man keep it up
that charizard edit was hard ash lmao
Pokemon adventures manga red vs ash , red winner
@@YemiAdedokun-d4m the only iteration of Red that actually has a chance against Ash.
Does manga Red have acess to Megas, Z-moves and Dynamax? Because if not Ash cooks him.
@@vanjagalovic3621manga red’s pokemon has lightspeed feats and his most frail pokemon, pikachu, can tank hyper beams that can destroy the entirety of vermillion city with ease. im sorry but ash gets soloed by just manga red’s pikachu ALONE.
@@froakietube168 Ash's Pikachu has lightspeed feats as well and is strong enough to tank hits from Primal Groudon
@@vanjagalovic3621 Anime Primal Kyogre barely scales to a hyper beam from manga lance’s dragonair. It was clear that Steven Stone’s metagross would’ve been one-shotted by said attack from Primal Kyogre. If Primal Groudon is of the same strength, then I think that manga lance ALONE could destroy both. Manga Legendaries scale much higher than anime legendaries, considering an arguably level 44ish newly evolved Noivern with near NO battle experience scaled to anime Zapdos. You can’t even scale Ash’s strongest Pokemon, Pikachu to the Primal Kyogre feat stated earlier. So lets just say you’re correct about the lightspeed feats; it doesn’t even matter. Because a single hit from Red’s Pikachu, dare I bring out his Mega Venusaur, could one shot just about all of Ash’s Pokemon.
1:34 the bite sounded VISCIOUS. The scream of charmander was re-edited to sound less intense.
I was going to say Red's the better trainer but then I actually thought about it.
Apart from Blue, Red only defeated opponents by outnumbering them, which is a cheap tactic. Against Brock, Nidoran was the only Pokemon who could actually put up a fight on his own merits. He very nearly beat Onix by himself, only for Onix to then sweep through 3 other Pokemon without even trying.
Giovanni's Rhyhorn took out 5 Pokemon all by itself. Then Rhydon only lost to Charizard because of plot armour. If Red actually fought Giovanni fairly instead of by simply outnumbering him, he wouldn't have stood a chance.
It's the same with Mewtwo. 5 Pokemon weakened it and even after that, Charizard had to resort to Mega Evolution to stand any chance at all.
Also, the Elite 4 have 5 Pokemon each, so even there, Red only won by outnumbering them with 6 Pokemon.
Literally the only time Red won a battle fair and square was against Blue.
It’s cheap but smart
@@memphishuffman8938 No it's not. Smart would be to come up with a strategy that wins fair and square. Outnumbering your opponent is just cheating.
@@tomnorton4277it’s smart because they don’t limit you. you can bring how many ever pokemon you want I know it’s cheap to out number them but it never said red can’t
Yeah when it comes to this red it’s easily ash but the other reds could give him a run for his money.
@@alphatech1743 honestly, if we’re power scaling this, Ash Negs diffs origins Red. Low/Mid diffs Game Red, and High diffs with manga Red. Manga red is the only one I can see feasibly beating Ash, because as of today, Ash is so far the only trainer in any canon of Pokemon to wield Mega Evolution, Z moves and G-Max all at once.
We need an anime adaptation for red (Not that movie, an actual show)
8:52 OH MYY
Fr bro 😂😂
i love watching your videos bro i hope you reach 100k you deserve it
Origins Red is such a fraud, you know bro didn’t care for any of his other pokemon when his jolteon is so under leveled it loses to thunderbolt from a Ryhorn 💀 He even calls the fight “meaningless” if he doesn’t win with only Charizard
Could NEVER be my Goat Ash
Red was under levelled because gio is a 40 year old man, nobody had beaten Giovanni up till this point as well. 😂
@@barbaracult The pokemon Giovanni used was breed for someone that has seven badges up to that point, he doesn’t even use the full team he uses in game and Red nearly got sweeped which probably wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t favor only Charizard 💀.
Plus Blue beat’s Giovanni before Red and he clearly had a more well trained team when we fight him prior to victory road ingame.
@@DontChuckles this is simply wrong. Blue beat giovannis weaker team. Giovanni gets mad at reds foolishness and wants to put him in his place with his specially trained pokemon. It’s literally in the show. Did u watch it?
@@DontChuckles red: “beware this is not a challenge to a gym leader, I challenge the enemy of all pokemon.” Giovanni: “another boy of just your age came to this just yesterday, he too was arrogant, but he had a potential that far outstripped any potential trainer I have faced” Red: “blue” Giovanni: “I decided to go ahead and accept that boys challenge, I did so as a gym leader” *swaps 6 pokeballs to 2 ultraballs* “thats not the case for you” *Giovanni monologues about how red aggitates him* “I will bring out my two specially chosen pokemon and force you to your knees” *Red gets insta KO by rhyhorn* Giovanni: “you assumed you victorybell would give you a quick win based on type alone right but in the face of my rhyhorn it simply doesn’t stand a chance” *Red loses badly.* Red: “How could thunderbolt beat jolteon like that” Giovanni: “you did well to strike at rhyhorns weakness but the difference in our pokemons level is simply too great.” Hitmonlee ties with rhyhorn Giovanni: “I will crush that foolish pride right along with that charizard of yours” *Giovanni inner monologues about his childhood* *red beats Giovanni* Giovanni: “I didnt think you raised your charizard too a high enough level, certainly not enough to defeat my rhydon.”
@@DontChuckles there I wrote out the quotes just for u
The real question, is "YES" a strong enough word for what you just asked.
What’s the song name that was fire 8:09
Yeat - wokeup
While Red is awesome, for me it's Ash. My boy ash has gone through all the regions, minus Paldea as of now, battled all the gym leaders, some elite four, won the orange league, conquered the battle frontier, participated in all of the League Conferences and did quite well in most of them, and won the first Alola league and became it's champion kind off, defeated most of the evil teams, met a whole heap of legendary pokemon, including god himself, saved the world many times, caught maybe solgaleo and an ultra beast, participated in a world Pokemon championship tournament where he defeated maybe strong trainers from all the regions, defeated Alain, Steven, Cynthia, and even defeated the supreme monarch aka the pokemon world champion Leon and became that.
While Red did his journey, defeated the gym leaders, won the Kanto league, maybe Johto, defeated team rocket, captured Mewtwo, and disappeared to Mt. Silver.
So yeah my boy ash is the goat, and red, IMO, is just over hyped by the fans for being the first game protagonist
You clearly need to know more about Red. Red is much more than you have seen in this Origin anime.
Red conquered Indigo League on his first try, unlike Ash. Red completed his dex. He then moved to other regions (see Generations) like Ash, but Red left his Champion title long time ago to get stronger, and having super long winning streak, and extremely strong that Red was now officially titled by the Pokemon franchise as "The Living Legend", "The Legendary Trainer", "Battle Legend", and "Battle Master" to showcase his legendary strength.
Red canonically can do all gimmicks like Ash too, Mega Evolution, Z move and Gmax.
In Masters (currently ongoing), Red was blatantly stated as "The strongest trainer in history" and he was truly respected by Cynthia, Leon, and everyone due to his unrivaled strength as a trainer. Red also single handedly took half of Team Rocket with just one Pokemon (Snorlax) at one shot, while other Champions and E4 were having their hands full with the other half!
Red IS the GOAT. Red is the OG.
Gold/Ethan canonically beats him so in my opinion he is the best trainer
I wish Ash would of killed Goh randomly on screen and stole all of his Legendary Pokemon then flee to Paldea as a Fugitive wanted by Interpol.
Red really is a fraud, his team consists of 5 nobodys and charizard. At least with ash his other mons are also good while having son of arceus pikachu.
8:38 Me:- Their is no way he is catching mewtwo in a ultra ba...
Red:- *Proceeds to catch him anyway*
Aaaaaaaa he’s fixed the audio let’s gooo nice job 👍 1:19 bro thinks he’s that guy 😂😂 your not your Pokémon never evolve in 27 years haha
that one random Pokémon that saw mew. Looking at the windows , Run Nager
Ash has plot armor in this video too😂
Bud was messing around with lowest level grunts jesse n james while Red took down entire team rocket all alone 💀
Please, all those grunts were weak as hell and you know it.
Ash gives zero fucks about Team Rocket. They come to him, Pikachu one shots them and move on.
@@EWOODJ All the low level grunts had identical Pokemon to jesse n james , But Red defeated Giovanni 3 times … 3 times , not even mentioning Elite 4 who would smoke Kanto Ash. Man also caught mewtwo n legendary birds , Ash struggled against all legendary birds in Anime except articuno and tried to punch mewtwo 😂 Believe me I like Ash too but roaming around in region vs destroying every elite trainer in entire kanto is a big feat.
Hey don't forget ash is still 10 years old when he became the champion
omg my ears are blessed, w vid 🙏🔥
bro when I found out abt origins like 3-4 years ago and watched it I was actually so surprised I liked it
Woah, I can hear again
"Family... A word I haven't heard in such a long time.
What a blood-drenched word it is."
Let be real though. Red would absolutely annihilate Kanto Ash.
Weave, weave, toy him, mega evolve, seismic toss, die
Red wins
Yeah, KANTO Ash. Anything post Hoenn Ash no diffs him and XY, SM and JN’s Ash neg diff him.
“Uses mega kick”
Makes a note, attempting to correct himself but ends up as mega kick
Lmfao cuz it make the dope stretch 4:56
Why is noone talking about how he calle him blue instead of green. Like what? 😂😂😂
Bro is the game
"yea im really like that call me kendrick" LMFAO
Question of the Decade.🍷🧐
would have been a hillarious easter egg to show him searching for mew north of cerulean city, then a trainer demands a battle as he is teleporting away on an abra, he shrugs it off and keeps looking and what do you know, a mew... and cut it without showing whether he caught it or not.
And people say ash was bad. My man red lost 2 Pokémon with quad super effective damage to an unevolved Rhyhorn, sent in 2 Pokémon with disadvantage, only to finally send in his fighting type, only to have Hitmonlee trade with Rhyhorn. To think people still glaze this man is strange.
This adaptation of Red is gotta be the weakest of the Reds bro, the only Pokemon I can consider he trained is that fuckass Charizard of his and everyone else is gotta be begging for a smidget of exp, also, his Jolteon got ohko'd to that Rhyhorn via the use of Tbolt, this thing has a pitiful Special Attack so idk how this thing had ohko'd Jolteon aside from Giovanni being a crime lord and drugging his mons or Red being that neglectful to all nonZard mons.
@@reynaldofelicianocabuhat468 little of column A, mostly Column B on that one. Origins Red is such a loser, the fact he got along as far as he did was all because Charizard had that plot armor.
To be honest, Manga Red is the only one is can say is really strong. Even game Red has been a jobber. Man’s been a walking L since GS. Losing to 4 whole generations of protagonists, one being those two goobers who you play as in Let’s Go.
Manga Red is a good trainer, but people really be glazing this man too much. All he did is become Kanto champ and screw off to the top of a mountain. Man didn’t even finish team rocket off. Gold/Ethan not only took down team rocket for good, but he also went back in time with Celebi to also take down Giovanni AT THE SAME TIME his past self was talking TR down at the Goldenrod radio tower.
@@edman9953Which manga are you talking about
@@katsuo8914 Adventures Manga. Aka the only Pokemon manga really worth giving a damn about.
@@edman9953 Thanks
Charmander line is goated, mf’s who disagree got smol pp
Its looks like less of red goat video but morw like pokemon origins explanation video 😂
nah Red’s playin by Gen 1 rules, Gen 1 Hyper Beam Tauros obliterates Ash
LETS GOOOO AUDIO IS FIXED
Red:the most powerful trainer ever
Ash:plot armor i choose you!
Seeing how all battles we’ve seen Red in involve most of his Pokemon getting destroyed besides Charizard, yeah, I think it’s safe to say Ash would win.
His own Charizard don’t need to gimmicks to be the best. And that’s not including the son of Arceus
trying to catch a 90.5Kg fire breathing lizard with wings is a death wish. lol
Pokemon adventures manga red the goat
“You think you like that?“ “Yea I’m really like that.. call me Kendrick!” 🤣 0:40